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Oh Hae-young Again: Episode 11

Not that it’s ever been easy having the same name as her rival/frenemy, but the complication takes on extra consequences for Hae-young today, leaving emotions running high as pride and love battle it out. We always knew this coil of a misunderstanding would be a challenge for Do-kyung to work out, but the more time starts running out on him, the more worried I’m getting…

 

 
EPISODE 11: “In pain, in pain”

Do-kyung wakes during the drive back to Seoul, and smiles to see Hae-young sleeping with her head in his lap. He shields her eyes from the morning sun, and makes his decision and thinks to himself, “Let’s go. Let’s go all the way.”

Tae-jin is waiting at Hae-young’s parents’ house when they arrive home and he bows deeply, but they both move to walk right past them. He says that Hae-young isn’t answering her phone, and when Mom barks, “Why would she answer your calls?” Tae-jin gets on his knees right there in the street.

He apologizes, but Mom has no intention of accepting his apology and tells him to leave. Dad feels sorry for Tae-jin and urges him up, asking how all this happened to him. He tells Tae-jin about Hae-young’s other apartment, and that he assumes she spent the night there.

Do-kyung and Hae-young arrive home, and she rushes up the stairs to get ready for work. Halfway up she stops and turns, and Do-kyung smiles, knowing exactly what’s coming because he saw it a long time ago — Hae-young runs to him, and he happily catches her in his arms.

Nobody is having a good morning at the family house — Jin-sang has somehow lost his phone and his car, and Hoon is having some sort of crisis involving his right hand. He ends up splattering Do-kyung with jam trying to use only one hand, and he’s forced to show Do-kyung and Soo-kyung that in his sleep, An-na gave him very bright, very permanent fake nails. HAHAHA.

He complains that he had grand plans to pick a fight with Do-kyung and leave the house, but now he can’t with such fabulous nails. Do-kyung invites him to go ahead, but Hoon wants to look cool while flouncing, I guess. He’d planned out every move, including his facial expressions, and ominously warns Do-kyung to just wait.

Soo-kyung grows alarmed that she actually feels jealous when she hears about Jin-sang’s hot night with a woman, and she orders him to go back to his own home. He retorts in French that she’s not so squeaky-clean — she had an affair with a married man. They argue back and forth in French, and HA, Do-kyung just rolls his eyes and walks off.

Tae-jin tries to find Hae-young at work, but she’s not there yet. He runs into a friend of Hae-young’s who recognizes him, and the other Hae-young seems surprised to hear that our Hae-young used to be engaged to him.

Our Hae-young hides when she sees Tae-jin getting in his car, not anxious to see him. Later he texts her asking if she’s angry with him, and he promises to keep apologizing until she forgives him. She texts back asking him to meet with her tonight, because she has something she needs to tell him.

When Do-kyung calls to ask Hae-young out for tonight, she says it will have to be later, and she honestly tells him that she’ll be seeing Tae-jin. They did see each other recently, though they didn’t get back together as she’d told Do-kyung, but she wants to end things cleanly.

Do-kyung insists on seeing her first, before she meets with Tae-jin, and Hae-young doesn’t pick up on his urgent energy. She jokes that maybe she should have dressed up fancier today, and warns him not to bring her flowers at work or get on his knees or anything embarrassing like that.

On his way to Hae-young’s office, Do-kyung talks to himself as if he’s speaking to Hae-young: “I won’t push you away anymore out of guilt. I just want to love you. No matter what I tell you, please don’t abandon me. Please hold onto me tightly.” Awww.

Tae-jin doesn’t understand why Hae-young is canceling plans with him two days in a row, but she promises to see him the next day. He’s disappointed, but he accepts her apology. But he’s gotten several dozen roses and has a ring, and he decides to head to her office anyway and surprise her. Oh, this is gonna be bad.

Tae-jin sees Hae-young across the street, and she smiles and waves… but at Do-kyung, who is standing at the corner. When Tae-jin sees him, it hits him like a ton of bricks — his ex-fiancee is seeing the man who ruined his life. And without knowing the true story, the only thing Tae-jin can conclude is that Do-kyung did it all to get Hae-young.

Tae-jin sees red and lunges at Do-kyung, punching him so hard he hits the pavement. Tae-jin picks Do-kyung up and moves to punch him again, but Hae-young runs across the busy street and puts herself between the two men. Tae-jin orders her away from Do-kyung, but she rounds on him and asks who he thinks he is — she’s not his fiancee anymore. Tae-jin tells her, “This is the bastard who ruined my business. He ruined my business and sent me to jail!”

Hae-young turns shocked eyes to Do-kyung, and Tae-jin asks him if he did it because he liked Hae-young. Crying now, Tae-jin violently smashes the roses, but Do-kyung never says a single word.

Hae-young gives Tae-jin a chance to explain, and he tells her how he learned about Do-kyung’s involvement from Chairman Jang. He never could figure out what Do-kyung had against him, but while he was in jail Jin-sang told him that Do-kyung did it because he was getting married to Oh Hae-young.

Our Hae-young makes the connection that Do-kyung must have thought Tae-jin was marrying the other Hae-young, and she says in a dazed voice, “It wasn’t me.” Do-kyung tries to take Hae-young away so he can explain everything, and for a moment she follows him. But she stops, and he drops her hand, and she walks away from both men.

Tae-jin turns and punches Do-kyung again, then kicks him in the stomach several times, and drags him up to yell in his face. How could he steal another man’s woman like this? He delivers several more vicious kicks and punches, and Do-kyung doesn’t even try to fight back.

Hae-young stands in the subway station for a long time, lost in thought, as trains arrive and leave without her. She thinks about everything that’s happened to her since Do-kyung caused Tae-jin to break off their engagement, and realizes that once again, all of these things happened to her because of the other Oh Hae-young, because Do-kyung loved her.

She thinks to herself that if he’d told her everything, that night that he’d been in a fight and she’d asked him who he fought with and why, she might have been able to accept it easily. But he hadn’t, and since then she’d fallen in love with him, and now it’s too late.

Hae-young goes to the pub that she knows the other Hae-young is at tonight, and pushes her out of her chair and to the ground. She screams, “You. You! YOU!!” while their coworkers struggle to pull her off the other Hae-young.

Do-kyung is mentally beating himself up, and he walks the streets with loyal Jin-sang trailing behind him. Hoon sees them and falls in line, and they even pick up Do-kyung’s three employees along the way — I love the image of these men following along, loving their brother and friend so much that they’re willing to just be with him, even if they can’t help ease his pain or even know why he’s hurting.

Eventually the other guys grab a car and continue following Do-kyung, while Jin-sang fills them in as to what’s happened. They’re super confused at the idea of two Oh Hae-youngs, and are shocked to hear that Do-kyung has fallen for the new Hae-young.

Later that night, Hee-ran admits to Hae-young that she thinks she started this whole thing by telling Do-kyung that “Oh Hae-young” was marrying Tae-jin. She didn’t realize that Do-kyung thought she meant the other Hae-young, and she feels terrible that she wasn’t more clear.

Do-kyung’s friends decide they need to find Hae-young for Do-kyung, but they find the wrong Hae-young first and quickly drive away. They catch up to Do-kyung and hustle him into the car, and drive all night, finding themselves at the beach the next morning. They’re trying so hard to cheer up Do-kyung that they’re coming off extra perky, which is pretty sweet.

The guys frolic in the waves while Do-kyung broods on the beach, threatening them with death if they dare touch him. But they grab him and throw him in the ocean anyway, which has got to sting on his poor cut-up face, but they do manage to snap him out of his funk a little bit.

Some pretty girls draw Jin-sang’s attention (Do-kyung: “You’re such an animal”) and he runs over to present his friends to them. But all conversation screeches to a halt when one girl says her name is Oh Hae-young, and all six guys just walk away. Ha. They resume their single-file support train, having accomplished nothing.

Hae-young’s office rumor mill is in full swing, with everyone wondering why our Hae-young would attack the other Hae-young out of the blue like that. The other Hae-young seeks out Soo-kyung, insisting she didn’t do anything to provoke the attack, and she’s hurt that Soo-kyung seems to take our Hae-young’s side, in this and in everything else.

She goes back to her desk and texts our Hae-young, who isn’t at work today, asking why she pounced on her that way. Our Hae-young is at her parents’ house in a funk and barely responsive to anything.

Mom gets fed up and demands to know what’s happening, but Hae-young just asks if Mom remembers the other Hae-young from when she was in school. Mom does remember her, and also how their windows would get smashed in by jilted boys getting the wrong house. Hae-young also remembers that she never got flowers or candy by mistake, only rocks — she feels like she was born to shoulder all of both Hae-youngs’ bad luck while the other Hae-young got all the good luck.

Hae-young wants to move, somewhere where nobody is better than her, so she can at least feel normal. Mom begs Hae-young to say what’s wrong, but Hae-young just sighs.

Hee-ran meets with Hoon regarding his movie script and tells him that it’s not terrible, but she doesn’t feel comfortable working with him considering their connection to Do-kyung. He hurt her friend, and Hee-ran wants to be loyal to Hae-young.

Hoon cringes when he realizes the situation, but Hee-ran starts running at the mouth about how she told Do-kyung about the impending marriage, but it’s not her fault he didn’t think there might be other Oh Hae-youngs. Hoon admits that he was shocked to learn what happened as well, and lies with bravado that he ordered Do-kyung to beg for Hae-young’s forgiveness.

Hee-ran spots Hoon’s fake nails and tells him to take them off, and he realizes that they actually pop off easily. One falls to the floor and he leans over to pick it up just as she crosses her legs, giving him an accidental eyeful, hee.

An-na chases Hoon around the convenience store when she sees that he took the nails off, but he fights back for once and yells at her that it’s humiliating to go around with fake nails. She says they’re proof he has a girlfriend, but he argues that it should be good enough that he tells everyone about her.

He asks if he really looks like a cheater, and An-na says that yes, he does. Hoon is fed up with her demanding ways and wants to break up, screaming that he won’t put up with being treated this way. Good for him — that was long overdue, if you ask me.

Hoon storms out of the store but An-na follows him, yelling that he shouldn’t walk away from her that way. She tells him to come back or else, but Hoon keeps going, and An-na calls out that she knew something was going on with him. That does stop him and he wonders what she meant by that, but when he turns around she’s already gone.

Do-kyung goes out to record some sound, and he stares at his phone, but in the end he doesn’t call Hae-young. He finally sends a simple text, “I’m sorry,” which Hae-young glares at for a long time as she sits at a cafe, inexplicably dressed in a skimpy skirt with way too much makeup on.

She finally calls to say that she’s disappointed he didn’t say anything else, and asks if he’s gone insane. He asks where she is and comes to find her, to say that he’s sorry to her face.

Hae-young’s eyes are cold and she’s not inclined to accept his apology, and when he tries to take her somewhere to talk, she asks if he’s embarrassed to be seen with her in public (because of the way she’s dressed). She admits that she feels gullible and stupid to have let herself be caught in the middle of his love spat, so she wanted to look like someone else. And all he can say is he’s sorry?

Do-kyung says he’s very sorry, and Hae-young laughs ruefully. She wants to know why he’s sorry, and for what, and why he didn’t tell her sooner. Do-kyung replies that he wanted to, but he didn’t want to hurt her even more when she was already in pain.

But Hae-young says that the worst part is that he still loved the other Hae-young so recently that he wanted to break up her wedding. Once again, the rock meant for the other Hae-young hit our Hae-young instead. He let things go so far that she even confessed her feelings to him, not knowing how much he still loved the other Hae-young.

She spits that he should have told her the moment he knew she had feelings for her, so she could have walked away sooner. Do-kyung can only say he’s sorry again — he doesn’t know what else to say. His voice rises and he notices that they’re drawing a crowd, and he says again that he’s very, very sorry.

Hae-young in response, “Beg. Beg on your knees.” But Do-kyung can’t, and he turns away. Hae-young screams at his back, “Come back and beg!!” but he doesn’t stop.

Do-kyung doesn’t get far before he stops and goes back, like he always does when Hae-young is concerned. He turns back away, then stops again, seeming upset that she didn’t follow him. Finally, he walks away. Hae-young staggers around aimlessly, thinking to herself that he never got the chance to say he loved her, and it hurts to know that he said those words to the other Hae-young.

The other Hae-young is currently having lunch with Chairman Jang, who says that it would be strange to keep spending time with her once he marries Do-kyung’s mother. He draws a line, admitting that he’s being harsh, but he asks her not to call him anymore, and tells her to end her feelings for Do-kyung.

Their lunch is interrupted by Tae-jin, who wants to talk to Chairman Jang. He has to remind the chairman who he is, and tells him that Do-kyung asked him to cancel his investment because he was after Tae-jin’s fiancee. He makes a veiled threat that it would be bad for Chairman Jang if word got out that he helped such a thing happen.The other Hae-young is stunned by Tae-jin’s story, and cries on the way home.

That night, Jin-sang wonders why Do-kyung didn’t just get on his knees when Hae-young told him to, even demonstrating how easy it is. He’s shocked Do-kyung didn’t do it when just yesterday he looked like he’d do anything to get Hae-young back, but Do-kyung just mutters that he said he was sorry a million times. Jin-sang counters that he should have gotten on his knees and said he loved her: “Are you sure you like her?”

Do-kyung thinks it’s obvious, but Jin-sang rightly points out that he wouldn’t know unless Do-kyung says so. He asks why Do-kyung can’t just give a straight answer (preach, friend) and sighs that Do-kyung isn’t capable of letting Hae-young in.

Jin-sang and Do-kyung both roll their eyes when the other Hae-young approaches them. Jin-sang leaves and Hae-young tells Do-kyung that when she left him, she was heartbroken that he never once even emailed her, even to say he hated her. To her it felt like their breakup meant nothing to him.

She says that she knows what he did to Tae-jin because he thought she was marrying him, and actually thanks him. Now she knows that he did hurt when she left him. But her words infuriate Do-kyung, who ruined someone’s life because of her, but Hae-young actually says that she doesn’t care, since he did it because he loved her.

She starts to cry, and tells Do-kyung, “I still love you. I love you so, so much.” She moves to take his hand and Do-kyung recoils, and leaves after shooting her a look of disgust.

Tae-jin spends the night sitting in his car by the Han River, remembering his interruption of Chairman Jang’s lunch with the other Hae-young. She’d quickly gotten up and left, and the chairman had told him that her name was Oh Hae-young, and that she’d been engaged to Do-kyung.

He remembers our Hae-young saying, “It wasn’t me,” and he finally puts the pieces together himself. He laughs at the absurdity of his life being ruined over a case of mistaken identity, and his unhinged laughter turns to agonized screams.

Do-kyung goes for a walk and finds himself on a street corner, looking at himself on the other side of the intersection. Vision Do-kyung just stands there, unmoving and unemotional, while a car smashes into him.

It’s hard to say if it’s a memory or a vision, but next we see Do-kyung in Dr. Park’s office, and he calmly gazes out the window as he says, “With that woman, I think it’s right to end it this way.” Then he’s lying in the street, bleeding and broken, then back in the office and he repeats his words: “I think it’s right to end it this way. For her. I will die anyway.”

COMMENTS

Okay Show, you’re genuinely scaring me now. I love how the show is doling out information so slowly regarding Do-kyung’s visions and what they mean, but I’m really starting to get frightened that Do-kyung could actually die. There’s this shivery feeling of something big, and dark, and ugly getting closer and closer, and it’s scaring me to death even as I’m impressed with the execution of the sensation of impending doom. I still hold out hope that the death vision is just a warning of some kind, based on the pattern of blood on Do-kyung’s face matching the blood on his father’s face when he died. But I’m starting worry that I’m wrong.

Aside from that, WOW, I’m floored by how self-centered the other Hae-young was in this episode. I can understand that she’s relieved to know that Do-kyung did care about her, but to say that she doesn’t care whose life he ruined as long as she knows he loved her? Is she even serious?? She doesn’t even realize in that moment that Do-kyung is in serious pain, and that saying that to him right then is like twisting the knife. All she cares about is that, after she left him, and after she crushed all of his dreams and broke his heart, at least now she knows he was hurting. I knew she was self-absorbed and spoiled, but that just takes the cake. She doesn’t even care that he and two other people are in extreme pain right now, their lives and hearts in tatters and that it was all set off by her leaving Do-kyung without a word of explanation, so long as she knows Do-kyung was hurt when she left. What a bitch.

I’m trying very hard not to be a Do-kyung apologist, because I very much think he did wrong to harm Tae-jin’s business, no matter what his reason. But I do believe that it was never his goal to completely ruin Tae-jin’s business and send him to jail and make him cancel his wedding — I think Do-kyung only meant for one investor to pull out and make things difficult for Tae-jin. His intent wasn’t complete ruin, just inconvenience. So I find it hard to completely condemn Do-kyung, because while what he did was absolutely wrong, something Tae-jin was doing was shady enough that it snowballed on him. Most of what happened to Tae-jin was because of his own immoral business practices, and I didn’t miss that glimmer of malevolence when he threatened Chairman Jang. There’s definitely more to Tae-jin’s story.

It was interesting to me when Hae-young thought that if Do-kyung had told her the truth sooner, she could have accepted it, because while I completely agree that he should have been honest with her sooner, I also understand why he wasn’t. He’s been trying so hard not to fall in love with Hae-young that he never really thought it would matter when he told her, because either way she would probably cut off contact with him. So if telling her meant losing her, and he was trying so very hard not to fall for her, it really made no difference when he told her. But then he went and fell in love, and decided that he did want to be with her. In his defense, he was going to tell her right away, but it was his bad luck that Tae-jin got there first.

He made a mistake, no argument there. But it wasn’t Do-kyung’s fault that everything blew up for Tae-jin the way it did, and I do think Do-kyung felt terrible when he realized his mistake, and the extent of what happened to Tae-jin was a complete surprise to him. Because he felt guilty about it, he tried to mitigate the damage by having Jin-sang help get Tae-jin out of jail as soon as he could. And the very day he decided that he wanted to make a go of things with Hae-young, he intended to tell her everything. So for those reasons, I’m not seeing Do-kyung as a terrible person.

As for our Hae-young, I find it fascinating that she immediately blamed the other Hae-young when she found out the truth of what Do-kyung did to Tae-jin, causing him to cancel their wedding. On the one hand, it’s not like the other Hae-young did anything intentional to hurt our Hae-young, she was just living her life and a mistake was made. But on the other hand, hasn’t that always been the case? The other Hae-young has never intentionally or directly done any harm to our Hae-young, but yet her life has been profoundly impacted in very negative ways just by the fact of the other Hae-young’s very existence. So while I don’t think our Hae-young was right to attack the other Hae-young, I can see how she just finally snapped when she learned that once again, just by sharing the same name, her life was irrevocably altered. So it makes sense that she’s not so much angry at what Do-kyung did, but the fact that she got hurt again by being mistaken for the other Hae-young. I can’t blame her for feeling like she gets all the bad luck, and now it’s happening again, just when she thought she’d finally moved past that part of her life.

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The title of this episode should be
When shit hits the fan.
Or equality appropriate
Do Kyung and his little ducklings

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Lol, birds of a feather.

I thought of that too...

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Ducklings to the rescue...

introduction of third Oh hae young cracked me up...LOL how many Oh hae young's are there in the world...

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Other Alternate Titles:

"Bad Decisions Are Made"

"I Yell at the TV Screen From My Dorm Room Bed While Doritos Crumbs Fall down My Bra"

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OMGOSH HAHA

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"Dang! I've been 'Cheese In The Trapped Again.'"

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it can also be titled Mood Whiplash.

even with all the shit hitting the proverbial fan, I almost died laughing at the ducklings. And I would have actually died of laughter if they'd kept the duckling motif going when they were in the water.

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Oh man, now you've made me wan to see that too. I loved that scene though, it was adorable.

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The duckling walk was the cutest thing ever ....

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It was so adorable and hilarious. I'm calling them the Duckling Squad from now on.

I also loved that song! Anyone know whether it's going to be on the OST or not? Sometimes the PD puts in already released songs so I've been wondering...

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I'm not sure but I saw Epik high's tablo updated his instagram with this very scene. From his caption I assume the bgm from that scene is part of the ost by Blackskirt

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I went to check it out after reading your comment. The OST will be release on 14 june 00:00hrs South Korea time. OMG can't wait. I think it will go all kill so bloody nice :>

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anybody knows whats the bgm during this duckling walk??? sounds like lee moon sae, it's so niceeee

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"Sorry, I spill the tea" Episode

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I found shit hit the fan too fast in this episode, I wanted more lovey dovey moments. Instead we got a full on episode and more oncoming angst.

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I feel you. But I also like that Do-kyung was planning on telling the truth pretty much right after their blissful beach day together. Obviously, having him plan on doing that meant that they had to make that inevitable fight happen super quickly.

I also think this angst is necessary for the moments to become truly lovey dovey. Next week will bring a lot more happiness I hope....

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Yea truth is he did plan on telling her soon, just that Tae Jin also found out too soon. However I also like that the plot is moving fast. Imagine if all we got was several episodes of filled up fluff, and we're all just squeaming at how he's continuously lying to her.

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The drama just turned into a melodrama so fast. Temporarily I hope. This episode was somewhat depressing - but still love the show.

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Squad goals.... Or is it Duckling goals?

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Where is the like button so i can like this comment lol

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FIRST?
HAHA.

This drama has turned into a melo...it wasn't romcom I signed up for.. But anyway, not complaining since it's good.

Other Oh Haeyoung has officially entered my shit list this week... I wanna pull her hair so bad grrrrr

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It's actually melo-rom-com drama T-T *still sad*

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rom-com-fantasy-melodrama?

do asian dramas use the term dramedy? that seems fitting.

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I'm hoping that bec it went melo is episode 11/12 , we will have a return to happy land in the coming episodes .... They won't drag the melo for the next 6 ep, will they ?

... The writer/director does the rom-com part so well even in a largely depressing episode. The adorable hug in the beginning, the duckling walk, the crazy sister - all so so good

Fingers crossed for better times

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Recent interview with PD says EPs 13-14 while be back to lovey-dovey fluffness! ♥

Though I suspect HY will put DK through the ringer a lil more first.

Hope they don't make 13-14 happy so they can have us be crushed by car crash angst 15-18 :(

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ohmy...

me when ...
reading your first sentence : OH MY GOD YESSSSSS MAKE IT HAPPEN!

then your last... sigh.

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YEESSS I read the translation of that news as well..

but NOOOOO for more angst u.u =))

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Thank goodness! After this one and ep. 12 I wasn't sure if I could keep watching!

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in terms of plot, it's a melodrama... LOL..
the conflict isn't as simple as usual rom com.

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but light rom-coms tends to loose conflict by 11 and gets boring.. compared to that i prefer this

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This drama seems to like a good torture. The pain is so good you just want more.

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Good torture. Yup. That's pretty much this drama, in a nutshell.

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Omg! so agree with you! almost all rom-com dramas, when they hit the 11th or 12th episode, they became so bland.

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Every Korean Rom-com has an essential angsty period, so no its not a melodrama. Its just a whimsy rom-com.

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i want to slap other OHY so bad >.<

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pretty OHY shocked me with her words in this episode. I feel like smacking her too so hard. Such a pathetic , selfish self-centered girl argh !!

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I know what you mean! My jaw dropped at seeing how selfish she is. It's all about her and her feeling relieved. Normally I don't approve of one woman attacking another woman over a man, but in this case I wanted our Hae-young to rip out the other Hae-young's eyeballs. The other Hae-young is truly a b**ch. I'm ready for Soo-kyung to use some of her moves on the other Hae-young; she has it coming. Also I never thought about Tae-jin's business practices being shady but that would make sense and that's why everything came tumbling down (unless Chairman Jang is just so influential that when he pulled out the other investors got scared). But Tae-jin should have just told Hae-young the truth and let her decide to stay or go. (I was quite impressed with Lee Jae-yoon in this episode; you could feel his rage coming off the screen. And why does he give me Choi Jin-hyuk vibes?) But all-in-all I feel for our Hae-young. People around her keep making decisions for her and creating havoc in her life. They keep deciding for her what she should know and when she should know it. I just want everyone to take a hike and give the girl some time to breathe. (Her parents can stay of course since they are awesome.)

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The attack was never about DK or TJ. That whole mess was Our Hae Young unleashing years of resentment and pain in one burning flash. If she had been in her right state of mind I doubt she would have attacked Bit Na (this shall henceforth be her name for this episode).

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I understand why people are mad at other OHY, but I can also see where she's coming from. Despite her smiles and "everything is OK" attitude, she is also very hurt. It's not like she wanted to call off the wedding. Were her actions after she left wrong? Yes. She probably didn't think about that Paris picture posting on social media the day of her wedding and how Do Kyung would interpret that. She probably wanted him to reach out to her. She is relieved that all the hurt she felt was not for nothing and that he did love her. Honestly, I feel like I could see our OHY saying something similar in the heat of her emotions.

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I want to hug her, on the contrary. I don't know, but I sort of understand her. I also get selfish when I'm in love. It makes me care less for what other people have to say. All that matters are my feelings. It's not kind or the right thing to do, I know, but for me, it's a genuine thing. When I love someone so bad, I could even make god my enemy.

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I cried a lot T-T I wonder what will happen in the next 6 episode. Have to wait Monday again and again.

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Aaaah, this is such a great show. Yes, they did crush our hearts immediately after that brief glimpse of happiness, but they balanced the angst with heartwarming friendship that put a huge smile on my face (never let us forget the genius of "Just like the wave that comes and goes, women come and go too.").
I am so grateful for the extension right now because if I had to think that it would all end in 2 more weeks, I would start getting withdrawal symptoms.
On a side note, has anyone noticed a difference between Mon and Tue episodes? I dunno, but it seems to me like the Monday episodes have less events/conversations, but are more intense and densely-packed. In comparison, Tuesdays seem more broken down into smaller sections, more diffused somehow?
P.S. How pretty was that angry rose petals shower?

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pretty and gave such a visual feel to whole scene ..it was perfect.

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I completely agree. I'm amazed at how well the show balanced agony with humor.

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I've been looking for the right word to describe it. Agony is exactly correct.

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I might get a lot of hate for saying this, spare me this is not a hate comment
but isn't AOHY reminds you of Weekend drama with better acting and directing?
(my mom love weekend drama/telenovela too so I watched it a lot and I always feel this show familiar in some way, I just can't point it out until I remember OHY always crying,the car break sequence and the loving you more speech)
AOHY it looks better but the deppressing stage and the anger management really reminds of weekend makjang drama.
Weekend drama is long because they deal with the whole family love stories but this series, the all wrong intention, jealousy, violence , drinking, mother in law and the character description is just another weekend drama character that fleshed out to be contradictory.

Weekend drama like to make antagonist clear and make the wrong pairing when they run out of the time, but AOHY plot and their rage feels so similar with lots of weekend drama minus the vision and relatively younger age cast.
Especially drama after temptation of wife..

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This show does a really good job of having characters with really exaggerated characteristics and actions, but making them almost uncomfortably relatable at the same time? I don't know how they do it.

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yeah, with a weekend drama I can be all 'sit back and get the popcorn lol'

with this one, I end up cringing because these characters get you so invested that you actually don't want them to screw up. idk what kind of sorcery it is, but it works.

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Well, something I'm realizing is that the characters of Oh Hae Young and Park Do Kyung are like extreme representations of these conflicting aspects of myself.

OHY = the part of me that wants to shamelessly give 100% of myself to everything and to do so while cutting through all the BS, even though doing so can feel akin to putting myself on a dart board. PDK= the part of me that can only put out out 50% and less and less, the more paralyzed with fear I become until I'm at 0%. Fear of loss, fear of failure & pain, and fear of no acceptance and no control. And, yes, even guilt. In my case, I've come to accept the guilt was misplaced but I still retreated from a relationship once because I couldn't handle how sorry I felt. I've become like both these characters at certain points in my life and, often, I've found these two aspects cause the other IF you can't strike a balance between them.

These characters are extremes, but they pose such universal questions. How much can I give of myself to the world? And how much do I protect myself? This is why this couple has come to represent something beyond the romantic to me. No matter how dysfunctional they are, I can't help but want them to find that balance with each other, even if I know that they need to find it within themselves first.

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Insightful

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THIS!

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chaebol that think they own people- ✓
Rich people are bad - ✓
terminal illnesses - ✓
Exaggeration reaction - ✓
really bad parenting - ✓
Old man with multiple wives - ✓
mistress - ✓
fierce inside and outside female lead after being a wallflower but with 180 change- ✓
love line ruined because wrong info (but almost in hard to happen circumstances, OHY is everywhere and everyone knew it) - ✓
I mean the lead thinks a guy stole her bride, then want to harm the guy, then it actually happens and the other guy life complete change, then meet the other guy's wanna be bride who falls off because the noble idiocy then they falls in love. The connection from the two is pretty convenient and hard to find. Small to know the 2 wanna be bride attend the same school and has enemy like behavior. All the fallout including rich old people who obviously bad. And after the two lead get together, the ex-es are back with the truth
the lead is all innocent - ✓
THE RAGE (the hitting, drinking and all) - ✓
mom's possessiveness towards son - ✓
sweet occasion - ✓
addicted side effect - ✓
let's see
if it has
birth secret-----?
long lost sibling ------?
death -----------?
abortion------?

you make me think really hard
I don't think this is really look alike but the coincidence and description indeed reminds me of makjang drama

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This made me LOL hard. Jury's still out for the last two...

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crazy psychologist (remember the quack in Me Too, Flower?)
pretty female always winner versus ugly female always loser (NOT, but by Korean standards of what beauty is)

And just wait until you see ep 12 for your "is there more" list...

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But there aren't any vampires! :-(

...Sez she who just finished ORANGE MARMALADE before episode 11 arrived. It made for a great chaser after HWAJUNG, a very satisfying sageuk.

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Orange Marmalade, eh? Here's a little of my Jonghyun fan art from that kdrama ~ I liked that show, too.

https://cimiart.wordpress.com/2015/07/23/4150/

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Aloha, Eule!

Good to "see" you.

Thanks! Lovely portrait of Shi-Hoo, who could give Angel a run for the money in the broodiness sweepstakes -- er, no stakes, please! Make that broodiness department.

I wasn't expecting a Joseon-era sageuk in the middle of it, so it came as a surprise to see Kim Ja Joem (Jo Min Gi) from HWAJUNG morphing into Jae-Min's dad. -- Ma-Ri's flute music was lovely.

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Yes, the back-in-time part saved the kdrama I thought. Thanks for checking out my fan art!

♥"Eule"♥

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Sub abortion for accidental pregnancy and I think we'll get another check mark...

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Also, we should/could count Hoon as a birth secret, since it was a secret to the audience.

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Someone made a common early on disparaging the show and detailing that it was filled with to many tropes. My argument against that was how genuinely well grounded all the characters are in real emotion/motivation. Despite the checklist writer-nim, the PD, director and actors have created a show where everything is just perfectly subverted by being real.

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In recording sound effects, DK has captured abnormal ch'i from a different continuum a la SIGNAL. It manifests as his visions/hallucinations. But he really got stuck in a transient wormhole in the doorway between apartments -- due to a "wardrobe malfunction" on Perelandra...

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I don't know about abortion, we might get a pregnancy though. Because
one-night drunken sex ALWAYS results in pregnancy. – ✓
(one example is "I Do I Do")

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Loved Do Kyung's Sad Duckling Line of Solidarity :D

Honestly thank god for the boys' antics this week, cause the rest of it was brutal.

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Love that description. I thought of a mama duck and her ducklings when they walked in line. It was sweet.

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My favorite part was when they got tired, so they just started following him in the car. ?

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Or how they left one tech guy with him to babysit while they tried to kidnap OHY? XD

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I'd love to set Do Kyung and squad's picture where they were lining up at the beach as my desktop background. It's so hilarious and pretty to look at XD

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True ! They had to had the most harmless guy with him, lol. And aww it's touching that the boys around Do Kyung genuinely care for him, despite his coldness, just shows that DK is a good person in actuality.

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It made me think about just how much DK seems to be surrounded by people who love him and yet still has such difficulty in being open. Poor DK...

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How many episodes will there be? 16? 18? 20? I hope it ends at 16. I love this drama, flaws and all, but I think 16 would be enough for all the craziness that is currently going on!

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18. Was 16, got extended early on by 2 eps.

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I know everyone is saying things are crazy, but that's not what's drawing me to this show at all at this point. I'm not bored for a second with any part of the show and am enjoying the entire thing, but I am completely fascinated by Do Kyung and Soo Kyung.

It's clear that their father's death and their mother's selfish, narcissistic, poisonous insanity shaped them both in ways that keep unfolding. We all knew that Do Kyung was introverted and stoic, but it really took 10 episodes of watching him handle ups and downs to appreciate the way he reacts in this episode (and to realize why heart-on-her-sleeve Hae Young is utterly perfect for him, and in fact needed by him). Soo Kyung is very like him internally, they've just presented very different faces to the world.

I enjoy the more dramatic bits of the show, but the character moments are adding depth that makes the entire thing much more special.

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finally, catch up...

tbh what do kyung didn't said when they made the relationship is similar to what tae jin didn't said before off the marriage, in term of relationship.
The I don't tell you my business ruined and I don't tell you I knew your ex-fiancee pretty much weigh the same IMO because it made her look like a fool alone (in term of relationship).
They both didn't tell her what actually make the circumstances changes in their relationship. The trust issue, I feel bad for OHY since in her view, no one really want to share that information so she can choose her stand but rather make her believe in fictional short term happiness when TJ and DK knew they will break it off/there's the big change coming (objectively DK has longer time than TJ so ...)

Then the begging thing, I do agree with OHY (if you looked at her PoV) since it looks likes she pretty much wants to give all of herself to him if he can do that much (loving all the way out to differentiate it with her love with tae jin before), but I also understand why not a lot of people will do it including Do Kyung, he thinks it isn't his fault (the relationship), which is true, it just what she wants and what he wants ATM is completely different thing.

I think OHY is a needy type of person (not in a bad way, I just forget another term) and she needs a giver type for a companion.

TJ break down on car really hits me, I hope he has his moment.

---oh god, I hope Lee Sang Woo/Seo Ji Geon explain to hae ryung by himself in Happy Home . . . he really should,

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I know many sympathize with TJ, but I just don't care enough about him - I don't think we were given enough insight into his emotions and his point of view. We got way less on him than, say, OHY2.

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I think many people already express their view towards TJ because he is complete stranger to DK and the other OHY personally.
But IMO the raise of comment is because he finally had a screen time after a while.

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Our rational mind sympathizes because he got wronged.
On the other hand, this actor is so expressionless and wooden that he cannot get the viewer involved in his hardships.

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I look at it in this way. Our Hae Young is someone who gives to much in a relationship while DK is someone who doesn't give much at all. They both measure things differently. What is a mile to DK is an inch to HY.

I almost feel like the trust issue was the basis for what was off about TJ relationship with Our Hae Young. It wsn't just the breakup. The idea that he (TJ) couldn't be someone she trusted enough to open up to meant that they both had fairly distorted views of each other. It makes me wonder if maybe TJ attraction to Our Hae Young right now is more misplaced anger and an attempt to regain control over his life rather then genuine love. I must get my life (Our Hae young being stand in for that) back kind of thing?

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Good question actually does TJ want OHY back because he genuinely feels for her, or does she symbolize normality in life for him. I think in the beginning TJ still loved OHY.
However it can also be mixed with guilt for breaking their engagement even if he believes his reasons. Now it can be different though after finding out the truth, I think his perception and feelings are being muddled with hate and revenge.

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DK doesn't give much at all? Are we watching the same show? He has been taking care of her in many different ways, many small things, without bragging about it, but always thinking of how to soothe her and protect her. And whenever he thought she was in a bad situation he ran to her, to confort, bring her home, tell her the exact words that would make her feel better.
Although he cannot express his feelings with words, his actions speak of themselves. Although we all love to hear words of love and it's exasperating not to get them, if I had to choose between one who talks about loving me and one who shows it with his every action, I would of course choose the latter.

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Thank goodness your recap is here. I am dying to find out what some Beanies feel about DK's emotions. I can't seem to articulate why hisguilt is preventing a declaration or confession. Or why some people thought he should kneel and beg for forgiveness.

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I think a huge part of why Do-kyung's behaviour really bothers me is how it echoes what Tae-jin did to her - he put his pride ahead of her, and ahead of their relationship.

I might have even understood if he confessed that he'd withheld the truth because he really was falling for her and was afraid of losing her (and our Hae-young seems to think the same, since on her walk back she specifically noted how he's never even told her he loves her), but Do-kyung's closed off and retreated and really not into communicating with her when she demands answers, or expects honesty.

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"DK did not tell because he was falling for her" explains his behavior only for the time when he started to develop feelings for her. Before that he had many encounters with her as a random person. And she somehow told this random stranger that she is dumped on her wedding day. Well, if it was me, I would tell her that instant. What was to loose at that moment? He could have told her that he knows his fiancee (and her, indirectly) from business, and heard that he ended up in jail. That is not a full disclosure, but it is enough to make HY's pain end and maybe save their relationship. But then, there would not be any drama, right?

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I think Dokyung had answered it in this epi, that he knew how hurt she was by the other Oh Haeyoung in high school he didn't have the heart to tell her. he didn't want to see her more miserable than she had already been.

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In an earlier ep, I believe DK said something to the effect of: his ex-OHY had mentioned there was another girl with the same name at her hs who was quite dull (plain?). [I remember thinking, she's not! She sparkles!!!] ... So, that means that he *had* knowledge of two HYs, but that was conveniently forgotten and his pent-up rage over-colored his revengy senses, to the point that he tried to ruin a man's life? Does this make his actions more or less of a "mistake"?

As for TJ, the more I see him, the more delusional he seems. I mean, roses and a ring? Who does he think he is? Does he think our HY will just take him back as if the past 6-7 months never happened? Even if she forgives him, which he seems to expect for some wild reason, forgiveness is not love, nor does it necessarily lead to love, again.

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Thank you for reminding me that DK did not want to catalyze her inferiority complex by revealing the truth. But still, I think having one more pain because of other OHY was much less of an issue for her comparing what she felt being dumped on her wedding day.

Remember when OHY first told DK that she was dumped on her wedding day:

OHY: I got dumped on my wedding day :((
DK: I know.
OHY: Ottoke arasso???
DK: I know your fiancée from business, and saw you two once before. And he did not dump you. I heard that they put him jail.
OHY: Whaa? But why?
DK: Dunno. Ask him.
OHY: *runs to visit the inmate*

*black screen, closing credits appear on the screen*

I guess that is why I can never be a writer.

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@pogo, I just don't think Do Kyung talks. I think we've gotten a false impression of how communicative he is because OHY is a ninja at interpreting his expressions and the little that he DOES say, but his instinct is not at all to talk/explain.

Look at his relationship with his mom: she's relentless. If he talks to her, all she does is use what he says to further manipulate him. So he tries to not only avoid her calls, but not talk to her when she's right in front of him. He isn't a particularly communicative guy at home either, he's the audience to a much more explosive group. And of course his entire career is based on listening.

Do Kyung feels very deeply, but is the last person on earth to either kick off a conversation or start something that's going to involve a lot of talking.

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This is an excellent summary of Do Kyung!

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DK is not talkative is he?but he did use his mouth oh so impressively on other things like,y'know?kissing lol

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A big theme in this drama has been the connection between love, embarrassment, and pride. OHY is someone who is not afraid to give all of herself to someone even if it means throwing away her pride and being embarrassed. Tae Jin couldn't put away his pride/embarrassment enough to tell her the truth and ask her to stay by him while he went to jail. Both DK and other OHY failed at their relationship because they couldn't open themselves up to the other to see the real them flaws and all.

I think the importance of him kneeling in front of her was to show that if he loved her enough he wouldn't care about his pride and the crowd of people around them. But he couldn't do it. Even his friend commented that when you let yourself go and are crazy in love, those things don't matter.

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oH YEAH pRIDE,
alot of people without realizing always priority their pride over anything. haha....
I can't wait to see Do Kyung kneel down and bring flower in the middle of the road just to get HY's forgiveness... I can feel it the writers will write that kind of scene.. LOL

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One part of me did think what if DK possibly felt that even if he kneeled and begged her, she still wouldn't forgive him, then what? In his view he's apologized so much he doesn't even know what to say or do anymore. Knowing how stubbourn OHY is, would doing as she asks really satisfy her? With her current mood filled with anger and hate I have a feeling DK begging her to have him back wouldn't satisfy her at all. In fact it might go against his character.

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I've been dying for this recap. This series is SO GOOD.

I think it was right for him to not kneel/beg. At that point, she had no intention of listening to whatever he was saying. I think if he had kneeled, she would have left him there in order to see him suffer. Seeing him kneel probably wouldn't even had made her feel better in the long run, because seeing someone you love being put in a shameful situation hurts you just as much as it hurts them. She was blinded by the hurt and pain that he caused her (rightfully so, since our OHY1 is beautifully human), but she made that request with the sole purpose to hurt him. If he had followed through and they had reconciled through that, it would be through a means that was meant to permanently damage his pride and her respect towards him, and I think that would hinder their relationship, not help it. Of course, walking away was not the right solution either... She really just wanted to hear him say that he loved her. But he didn't know that, and she couldn't ask him.

Also, OHY2 is a selfish cold hearted BLEARGH.

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Well said. I fully agree with you. It would have been wrong to second her childish and humiliating command. And he wouldn't also gain anything from it.

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i thought it was less that he COULDNT but that he wouldnt because he felt breaking up with her was the "right" thing to do. i expect that's also an excuse for him. dude wants to love and be loved but he's really shuttered up inside so even when he finally opened up, as soon as shit hit the fan with his past actions. he immediately shut down again. and then justified it with "i dont deserve the girl, thsi si for the best, she'll be better off without me" except she consistently makes it clear that NO she wont be. which isnt to say she'd die without him but that his way of thinking is flawed af and he needs to reexamine. esp since HY's biggest insecurity is not being Good Enough or precious enough. like he STILL hasnt cleared up for her what we the audience know, that he has no feelings for other OHY anymore, hasnt for a while, and none of what happened between them emotionally had much to do with her at all.

i suspect him stringing that many words together to explain all of that, might be difficult for him since he's so withholding and quiet most of the time. but if not in words try then with gestures! it was very half hearted how he dealt with our OHY this episode and its so clearly cause he was in conflict with himself and again instead of opening up, just completely shut down instead and try to cut n run.

im so glad for the reveal that was in ep 12. i wont go into it here but, basically, it removes any more outside factors to use as an excuse to prevent his relationship with OHY. now its rly down to himself (and her if she's willing to try with him again after all his shenanigans). if he would just realize how much she'd be willing to forgive or understand if he just made it clear how sincerely he loved her. alot of heartache could be prevented!

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I don't think that OHY1 wanted him kneeling as much as his love confession. But since he is not even saying I love you at least he should kneel. But he didn't do any of those and I kept screaming at the screen that before the first kiss she told you how TJ's pride was more important than OHY1, Hoon told him that being embarrassed is living life. But the main problem with DK is that he has lived inside a wall for so long that he doesn't even understands his needs and feelings let alone understanding OHY1's.

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I think he didn't beg not because of pride but because he knew he would die and want to end things while he is the bad guy so she won't be hurt by his death( that's what the last scene explained right). which in turn means he is a big noble idiot....

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The bit about DK not apologising because he had premonitions of his death, did occur to me too. Until i remembered that at the beginning of the ep, DK had made up his mind to go all the way with our OHY. Regardless of seeing his own death. I thus do not understand him failing to go to her or continuing to be with her. And when he still refuses her plea for them to be together when they were in her room, that was when i felt like planting an axe in the middle of his forehead. Our OHY was right, he is the cruelest man in the world. To her. ?

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he totally freaked out and used that as an excuse imo. but without perhaps fully realizing taht'ss what he's doing. he's so cut off from himself emotionally half the time. he probably really thought he IS doing the right thing but lol ofc he's not. which our OHY continues to make clear in this and the next episode. he was prepared to go All the Way before he was suddenly faced again with his past actions (and past self) and then suddenly he was overcome with guilt and self loathing again. and bam he shuts down again. leaving our poor OHY to shout at a brick wall.
he seemed to have another epiphany at the end of ep 12 too, so i wonder how many of these he wil have before he can love like a proper human haha. i cant hate him tho. i do hope our OHY makes him crawl thru the mud a bit before finally forgiving him tho.

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The key to it all is the idea of opening yourself up to someone else enough to be honest with them. This is something I've said before but I felt feel like the trust issue was the basis for what was off about TJ relationship with Our Hae Young. It wasn't just the breakup. The idea that he (TJ) couldn’t be someone she trusted enough to open up to meant that they both had fairly distorted views of each other. It makes me wonder if maybe TJ attraction to Our Hae Young right now is more misplaced anger and an attempt to regain control over his life rather then genuine love. I must get my life (Our Hae young being stand in for that) back kind of thing?

In DK's case though it felt like for him it was more painful to him because of his fear of loss. He is certainly embarrassed and guilty. However I think fear is the ultimate motivator for his closed off behavior. He cannot let go of his fear of losing people or his fear of pain (either hurting someone or being hurt himself). What we know about his mom, dad, siblings and relationships in general paint a picture of someone so invested in not being invested (his dads quote misinterpreted as a philosophy of not caring) that when confronted with Our Hae Young he freezes up. I look at him and I see someone paralyzed by fear.

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Well said, @Oshi, very well said. He is completely immobilized by fear. I see him as so deeply vulnerable and with a huge heart - a heart so big that his friends, siblings, co-workers and girlfriends see it clearly emblazoned on his chest and therefore are devoted to him. Only DK doesn't see it - or he feels it and is death afraid of it. I've gone through this same kind of emotional stunting in my life until the power of love broke me wide open. "'I Love you' is always the right thing to say...the phrase that should be repeated endlessly...NOT "I'm sorry".

Oh. my. God. How I love this drama!

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*loud applause* Yes! that's exactly it. p much everything he's done from the start of the series now can be attributed in some way to this overriding fear of his. its also why when he DOES openly express emotion, its so explosive, cuz he holds it in so much he even has himself convinced! until he cant anymore. i love how layered all the motivations and emotions are in this drama. just A class writing man.

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I think Do Kyung is someone who feels things very, very deeply, but who has learned through long and painful experience that opening himself up emotionally just ends up hurting him.

He lost his father in the most hideous way, his mother's a narcissistic grifter, he gained and lost a stepfamily, his fiancee vanished. Weirdly I find the stepfamily most compelling - that was wonderfully paced, the revelation that Hoon is his ex-stepbrother, because on one hand Do Kyung doesn't seem like the type of person to maintain that relationship but not only does he maintain it, he's actively trying to take a mentor's role in his life. And giving him a place to live. It puts an entirely different spin on the idea that Do Kyung is cold to Hoon because he's an unwanted younger brother - no, this is Do Kyung when he actually WANTS you around.

The man doesn't talk. OHY has been doing much of the talking for him, and interpreting many of his expressions and silences correctly, to the extent that I think it seems like he's said a lot more than he actually has. With that line of interpretation broken down, DK suddenly comes across as a block of ice.

Do Kyung doesn't put much worth in words. Which is now a problem because he really, really needs to tell her something.

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"I won’t push you away anymore out of guilt. I just want to love you. No matter what I tell you, please don’t abandon me. Please hold onto me tightly."

- I've spent so much time thinking about what happened to his resolve here. But I ultimately think a part of it comes down to Do-kyung not being in control of the situation anymore. I think, when situations & conflicts slip out of his control, he becomes paralyzed with fear, fear of losing, fear of pain & guilt. It's a stark contrast to the boy who rallied to save his father's life, even in his fear, but when you consider that he failed at that time it makes more sense that he would be so afraid to actually fight for this doomed relationship. Professing your love, when you're directly looking at all the pain you caused someone...it's hard because you don't feel like you have a right.

The whole point, though, is that Hae-young wanted Do-kyung to love her even though he knows he doesn't have a right to. She wanted his emotions for her to be so overpowering that the guilt didn't keep him from saying the things she really wanted to hear. But he cares so much about the pain he caused her that he can't seem to move past it and realize what he really needs to express.

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Dont forget guilt and he's in a looooot of pain that he cause all this tragedy in OHY's life that he feared even comfronting her.i felt sorry for him.

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Yikes i reply to the wrong person sorry T-T but anyway,i think you sum up everything that is on my mind

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What still baffles me is how Tae Jin still thinks Do Kyung 'stole' his woman? Like seriously! What are we living in? This isn't the stone age? She isn't some property that can be taken from you. Hae Young is a strong, vibrant, intelligent, warm and loving woman. She's a person with her hopes and dreams and desires and wants. She is not a property to be exchanged or 'stolen' from you. She chose Do Kyung! She chose him! He didn't steal her. She chose him. Which means even when all this mess goes down, she will still not choose you. She chose someone else.

I can't even! Argh! As for other Hae Young, that girl deserves what the Nigerian parent would call an Ifoti or as we all know it, the auto reset slap. There's something loose in her head. She needs to fix it. Stat!

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I don't think so,
he didn't know there were another OHY.pretty until the end of the episode,

he is assuming and Dk didn't refute that
it also get explain more in next ep

don't judge him too much, the guy just get screen time

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My problem is not with the whole drama that led to him losing Hae Young. Sure he made mistakes but I kind of pity him. My problem is with the use of the word 'steal'. It makes it seem like Hae Young doesn't have her own mind and she's just there, passively waiting to be taken. I consider the choice of that word to be an insult to the person Hae Young is.

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He thought, DK planned to send him to jail so DK could steal her in meaning grab her at the lowest moment, console her and remove him.

I think steal mean take away someone attention, slowly integrate himself into her life and act nice to make her like him while crushing the rival on her back.

I don't think you need to take that 1 word in literal meaning to said that he saw her as things. That kinda reaching.

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Hit the nail on the head. TJ and his issues stem more form his thwarted ambitions/jail time then any pure love for Our Hae Young. It's not so much that he doesn't love Our Hae young as that isn't the primary motivator for his wanting her back. He sees her more as the path to reclaiming "his" life. Whatever he suffered in jail will all disappear if I just have something (her) back. It's a fairly classic fixation post trauma.

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Exactly! That's why TJ & OHY need their proper closure. Both of them but I'm afraid that's not going to happen anytime soon because what's been revealed in episode no. 12. He's going to be use as a pawn and I hate that.

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Except he was still asking that jail visitor a couple eps back if OHY was doing well.

So he was concerned for her even while he was in jail. Even before he knew he could get out early.

It's not just a fixation with getting his life back. He really loves her, stupid noble idiot that he was.

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I think he was under the impression that Do-kyung was putting the moves on our Hae-young before he went to jail, and that that was the reason for that request to his stepdad. But Tae-jin was the one who chose to break it off with our Hae-young after that (and no one forced him to do THAT).

and yeah, other Hae-young really has a screw loose if she thinks Do-kyung accidentally ruining someone because he was furious at her, is some sign that he still loves her. I think Do-kyung said it for all of us - wtf is wrong with her?! I feel bad for her, but girl is seriously self-centred.

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Do-kyung's major sin is not ruining tae-jin but loving a such a selfish person so much.. honestly she doesn't deserve such a love even in the name of pitty... Who cares if she didn't get parental love ..even park siblings didn't get any love.. they turned out fine...

They should rent a building and have a personal psychiatrist for all the characters (with exception oh hae young's dad)...

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In defence of Do-kyung's dad, he actually seemed like a good, loving parent - it's their mother who was terrible.

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Oh sorry I forgot about dad...

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Lol.. yes an "ifoti" is exactly what she needs.

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Tae Jin didn't really know the context of the whole situation until the very end of the episode though.

I mean, from his perspective, it looked like DK purposefully put him in jail so he could bang his girl while he was locked away. That's effed up.

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That really annoyed me as well.

Apart from the fact that Tae-jin is violent (even this is the second time that he's happy to engage in a fight and does so without holding back), he's really possessive. They already broke up and yet he ignores what OHY asks of him on the phone, waltzes in with roses and ring (!!!) and then acts as if HY is his – not even like a girlfriend, but his "property".

Never mind that I still find there's a gap between losing an investor in your business and going to jail. The drama needs to explain this, otherwise I'm going to continue thinking TJ isn't this 'innocent' person that we should just feels sorry for (which I wouldn't 100% anyhow. It was his own decision to dump OHY and give her no choice in the matter – again, a sign of his seeing her as a 'property' rather than an equal person).

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True words ... There is more to tae-jin and I think they will cover it in next Monday episode...

I think his screen time is fine... (Second leads screen time extensions gives me a good scare thanks to CITT)

He was supposed to be in jail for half series and has right screen time to create conflict...Though they could have provide some memory of Oh hae young and his past..

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I felt so far in the show from TJ and DK's interaction that DK is more likely to die in this show from getting treated as a punching bag by him, than getting hit by a car.

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It was explained in the show. One investor pulled out and so did the rest because chairman Jang is important in the business world. They probably thought it was a failed venture.

What upsets it's the love everyone has for pdk that they apologize his every move. Yes he didn't mean to ruin him completely but come on, the only reason he tried to help him get out of jail is because he found out it was the wrong girl.

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Thank you for saying this.

I totally agree.

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YES.

THANK YOU.

The show has given us NO evidence at this point that Tae-jin is a shady character. So far, all we've seen is that he had a business and then got thrown in jail because an influential investor pulled out of the business (which...I guess gets you thrown in jail in Korea? o_O). It's weird to me that everyone has concluded hook, line & sinker that Tae-jin must be a shady businessman when the show has given us NO indication that that is the case.

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I do NOT like Tae Jin, for all of the reasons you describe. I liked him at the start, but he is throwing warning flags like crazy.

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Lol...fellow nigerian here. Ifoti (special type of slap) is definitely needed. Everyone in this drama has serious anger management issues that should be addressed first before falling in love.

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How do you execute a special type of slap is it like a backslap or slapping a person using your foot lol,i'm curious.
Want to use this word from now on if you dont mind lol

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I was surprised that the drama's writer is Park Hae Young -another hae young. And Park Hae Young also happens to be lee je-hoon's character name in Signal. That name sure is popping up everywhere on TvN nowadays, isn't it?

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Yeah I literally spilled my drink while reading the wiki

I love the name though

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