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Oh Hae-young Again: Episode 12

Everything gets turned on its head in this episode — what we thought we knew has unexpected layers, and both friends and enemies aren’t always what they seem to be. It just goes to show, the truth is determined by the person telling the story, and even those who think they know everything can be woefully out of the loop. The true danger could very well be coming from an unexpected direction.

 

 
EPISODE 12: “Wish you misery once you leave me”

Hae-young’s mother is worried about her daughter, who just lies in bed, unresponsive. When Hae-young eventually gets up to take an entire jug of homemade wine to her room (with a ladle, ha), Mom tells Dad that she has no idea what’s going on this time.

Do-kyung and his team take come recordings of screeching car tires, which actually looks like big fun. Hoon instructs the funny coworker (whose name we finally learn is Ki-tae, ha) to tell Do-kyung some jokes to try to snap him out of his mood, but Do-kyung doesn’t even crack a smile.

Hae-young kills two-thirds of the jug of wine before finally passing out, and when she wakes she tries some dance therapy (hee, that song sounds familiar). But this time it’s not working, so she flips through the radio channels listlessly until she comes across a radio show. A “wise sage” is on the show, giving advice.

Hae-young calls in, and tells the host how she was always compared unfavorably to a girl she shared a name with in high school. Her voice starts to shake when she gets to the part about Do-kyung, and how he accidentally ruined her life because he thought she was the other Hae-young.

Jin-sang just happens to be listening in his car, and he immediately recognizes Hae-young’s story. She cries to the sage that she doesn’t know whether to kill Do-kyung, or… The sage tells her to go to sleep, then when she wakes, to eat, and to keep doing that until she’s able to move on. Well, that’s not even remotely helpful.

Hae-young argues that it’s not so easy to just forget everything that’s happened, and even the show host looks embarrassed. Hae-young is so angry she forgets herself, and screams that she wants to kill “that man and Oh Hae-young!” Whoops. And oh noooo, Hae-young’s mother also overhears the radio show and recognizes her daughter’s voice.

The hosts hilariously keep repeating her name (to remind each other not to say it again), and soon the whole city has heard her story. Hee-ran warns Hae-young that their entire high school chat room is talking about it, and tells her to turn off her phone.

Even Mom starts getting nosy phone calls from Aunt wanting to know if this is the real reason Hae-young’s wedding was canceled. Mom just hangs up on her, and slams the door in her face when Aunt shows up at the house looking way too pleased about Hae-young’s heartbreak.

Things are just as bad at work, with everyone who knows both Hae-youngs gossiping and taking the other Hae-young’s side. Finally Sung-jin bellows at everyone to stop, and asks how they would feel if it were their little sister going through such embarrassment. Okay, he’s my hero.

Even the other Hae-young looks miserable as she tries to ignore all the tittering from her coworkers, and she refuses to answer any of their questions. Soo-kyung shows up to confront her, saying that all of this happened because she disappeared on her wedding day. She tells Hae-young, “Have some remorse,” and sails back out again. Soo-kyung is my hero, too.

A small crowd of neighborhood ajummas gather outside Hae-young’s parents’ house, and Mom goes out to angrily defend her daughter. She says that Hae-young may be crazy, but she would never hurt another person, no matter what she said on the radio in her upset state.

Mom goes back inside and screams at whoever Dad was talking to on the phone about this whole mess, while Dad’s eyes grow big and round. Oops, that was his mother. Hae-young pretty much hides in the bathroom, shaking with humiliation, and Dad actually recoils when he sees how terrible she looks.

Meanwhile Jin-sang updates Do-kyung on the whole nasty business. Hoon and the rest of the guys laugh over the recording of the radio show, until they realize who it was talking, and they rush to delete it from their group chat room before Do-kyung hears it. Ki-tae tries to get into Do-kyung’s phone but it’s locked, and Do-kyung is all I’ll delete it. Pfft.

Mom brings Hae-young something to eat and reassures her that everything will be fine, though she asks why Hae-young didn’t tell her the truth sooner so she could do something. Woman of action, is our Mom. With difficulty, Hae-young makes herself eat, for Mom’s sake.

When Mom goes back out to the living room to cry, Hae-young follows her and gives her a sweet backhug. “Mom, I’m sorry.” Mom cries that they shouldn’t have given her such a common name, and yells at Dad for not letting her use one of the fancier names she liked. Aww, poor Dad.

She urges Hae-young to give up on Do-kyung, worried that Hae-young could get hurt even more if she doesn’t. Hae-young’s respectful silence tells her that that isn’t going to happen, and Mom whaps Hae-young upside the head and yells that she should want to rip Do-kyung to pieces. “If you still like him after this, you’re the biggest idiot in the entire world!”

Hae-young just says in a tiny voice, “I know.” But she can’t help how she feels.

Jin-sang and Do-kyung are outside talking when Soo-kyung stumbles home drunk and French again, and she stops to say that for the first time, she’s disappointed in Do-kyung. Then she gives him a big hug, and tells him to cheer up. Awww.

Jin-sang asks why she’s not beating the crap out of him like she normally would, seeing almost jealous over how nice she’s being to her brother. Soo-kyung just says you shouldn’t yell at someone who’s truly done something wrong, because he’s already in enough pain.

Jin-sang sighs when Do-kyung says he hasn’t called or spoken to Hae-young, asking again if he really likes her or not. But Do-kyung admits that he wouldn’t know what to say, and Jin-sang makes a brilliant suggestion: “’I love you.’ Wouldn’t that be enough?”

Do-kyung says that he would only be saying it to calm her down, but Jin-sang wisely counters that saying “I love you” is always the right thing to say.

When Hae-young finally turn her phone back on, she has many missed calls, but none from Do-kyung. She doesn’t know that he’s standing outside her house, and he finally calls her just as she turns her phone back off.

Do-kyung’s mother shows up at the house and has the nerve to accuse Hoon of freeloading. She complains that he’s not even related to Do-kyung and Soo-kyung, but Soo-kyung says she’s closer to him than her own family. Mom’s here to announce that she’s getting married tomorrow, but she only wants Do-kyung to come to the wedding.

Hoon tries to stay vague when Mom asks why Do-kyung isn’t answering his phone, but really all she wants is for him to reimburse her for the gift she bought Chairman Jang. She promises that once she’s married, she’ll have tons of money and they can all live in the lap of luxury, but Soo-kyung says they don’t need her help and yells at her to take care of her own life.

Mom just grabs Soo-kyung’s face and whines that she’s looking older than her mother these days, and tells her to get married before it’s too late. She delivers the harsh words like a concerned mother, but it’s clear she’s intending deep insult.

Jin-sang follows Soo-kyung to the bus stop and tries to cheer her up by saying that her mother just says things without thinking. He says that she and Do-kyung are nothing like her, both taking after their father, honest and sincere. He rides the bus with her (he lost his car while drinking again), and gets a bit jealous when she falls asleep on a random passenger’s shoulder.

Jin-sang tries to pretend he doesn’t know her, but the bus driver brakes hard and Soo-kyung barrel-rolls all the way down the bus aisle. He’s impressed when she shoots a leg out and catches herself on a pole by her high heel, and he shields her face and hustles her off the bus before she can be any more embarrassed.

She doesn’t appreciate his help though, and snaps at him, saying that she saw him staring at her just like everyone else as she was rolling down the aisle. She passes out on the sidewalk, and Jin-sang thinks she’s faking it for a minute before realizing that she’s really out.

He takes her to the hospital, hovering like a mother hen, but the doctor says that it’s not her frequent drinking that’s causing her to feel terrible… she’s pregnant. Jin-sang lets out a nervous laugh before he sees Soo-kyung’s shocked face and settles down, unsure whether he should congratulate her or not.

He assumes it happened when she saw her old love one last time, and fusses at her for being careless. He says that he’s always careful so that he doesn’t get himself in these kinds of situations, and loyally tells Soo-kyung that it’s the guy’s fault for not being prepared (showing her his pockets and socks full of “just in case” condoms, which is ironic since Soo-yung knows he’s the father).

Soo-kyung doesn’t say a word, and shoves Jin-sang away when he tries to console her. He runs off to get the doctor, and she sits there whining that she can’t even remember it happening.

Tae-jin has also heard the radio show with Hae-young telling their whole sordid story, replaying her admission that she fell in love with Do-kyung. He has dinner with his business partner and tells him all about it, still assuming that Do-kyung somehow arranged everything to trick Hae-young into falling for him. He tries to call Hae-young but her phone is still off, and something about his expression (and his business partner’s, for that matter) makes me very nervous.

Hae-young moves into the anger phase of grief, and bursts out of the house with Mom yelling after her, “Bite his butt off!” She heads to Do-kyung’s house, where he’s sitting in her area of the apartment, listening to the little music box he gave to her.

She’s surprised to see him there, but he just says he came over because someone knocked on her door to deliver something, and starts to head to his place. Hae-young asks if he’s not even going to ask if she’s okay, but Do-kyung already knows that she isn’t. She agrees that she’s a wreck, and that she can’t sleep because she’s so angry, but also because she misses him.

Do-kyung slowly turns, and hesitantly approaches her to hug her. Hae-young accepts it and hugs him back, but it’s not a reunion. Do-kyung tells her to curse him now, then move on with her life. If she wants to call him later to curse at him more, he’ll pick up her calls every time. “You can torture me. Do whatever you want.”

In answer, Hae-young asks if instead, he can see her until things get easier for her. She agrees that they should end it now, but she can’t do it — if she breaks up with him out of anger, she’ll regret it forever. So can’t they date secretly for a while and then break up?

But Do-kyung says he’s sorry, but that it’s only right to end this now while he’s the only bad guy. He offers to drive her home when she’s ready, and goes back through the door to his place. He looks back to see Hae-young crying. She angrily storms out soon after and refuses his ride home, and takes the bus alone. The next day, Hae-young moves out and back to her parents’ house.

Do-kyung puts in an appearance at his mother’s and Chairman Jang’s wedding as requested, where the chairman’s daughter Young-joo sees him. She goes to talk to him, noting that her father’s fifth wife is the worst of all of them. The chairman sees the two of them looking unhappy, and reminds Young-joo that no matter how many wives he has, she’ll always be his true master.

Young-joo goes to Do-kyung’s mother and comments nastily that her father gets bored easily, and when he does, it’s her job to give the most recent wife a hard time. She picks a fight, and the new wife gets kicked out. She’s just letting Do-kyung’s mom know, so she won’t be surprised when it happens to her.

Mom admits that she spent all her previous husbands’ money, implying that she plans to do the same to Chairman Jang. Young-joo wonders at the sudden deaths of both of her previous husbands, which finally seems to get under Mom’s skin. She reminds Mom that she’s a doctor, and if her father dies she’ll make sure to discover if any foul play was involved. Mom pastes on a cheerful smile, but she leans in close to whisper malevolently, “I’ll kill you first.”

Do-kyung watches their interaction closely, pounding down glasses of wine like water. Once his mother leaves he approaches Young-joo and orders her to go apologize, dragging her by the wrist to his mother and yelling, “Apologize now!” He’s gone too far, and in the scuffle Young-joo and his mother end up in a physical grapple.

Once things die down, Do-kyung’s mom takes him aside, angry at his behavior. Do-kyung is exhausted and begs her not to live like this anymore, and she misunderstands that he’s still angry that she spent all of his late father’s money. She screams that this marriage is the only way she knows how to get that fortune back.

Do-kyung scoffs, saying that it’s okay not to have the money — he hates the mother who only wants money. He screams back that he didn’t hate the mother who didn’t have money, and leaves his mother crying.

Young-joo demands that her father do something about Do-kyung, and he has an idea. He calls in Tae-jin and his business partner, who bow to the floor in front of him, and Tae-jin promises to do his best at whatever has been asked of him while looking like the cat that got the cream.

We finally learn what it was that caused Tae-jin to go to jail — back when he was out of the country for business, his partner was illegally boosting sales by taking out secret loans and buying their own product online. It was this knowledge that caused Chairman Jang to pull his investments, and the night he met with Tae-jin to tell him, was the same night Jin-sang and Do-kyung saw them at that bar.

By the time Do-kyung made that bet with himself and asked the chairman to revoke his investment in Tae-jin’s business, it had already been done. Everything would have happened exactly as it did, even if Do-kyung had never said a word. Interestingly, Chairman Jang had agreed to do Do-kyung the favor, not telling him that he’d already decided.

Now he tells his daughter that he would never have withdrawn millions in investments just on Do-kyung’s request, and sends his minions to see what Tae-jin is up to. He must be eager to get revenge on the man he thinks ruined his life, and Chairman Jang intends to let him get it.

That night, Do-kyung sits in Hae-young’s empty apartment, dying to call her but too scared to do it. He finally texts her, but only to ask for her bank information so he can send her the security deposit he promised when she first moved in. She calls him, and asks in the saddest voice how he can so easily break up with her, when she would have done anything for him.

All Do-kyung can say is that he’s sorry, and Hae-young cries as she wishes him unhappiness. “I hope you cry every night. Every time you think of me, I hope you break down. I hope I die of depression thinking about you, and I hope you feel guilty for the rest of your life.” From the way Do-kyung is sobbing by the time she hangs up, I’d say Hae-young will get her wish.

The following day, Do-kyung goes to a field to record some sound alone. He lies in the grass listening to the wind and the swaying wheat, and everything slows as he has a new vision. This one is different — it’s his mother, crying and pleading with him to beg Chairman Jang’s forgiveness.

He sees Tae-jin, smiling and friendly, saying that somehow they ended up with the right people. Then a man who says that his father owned the house he wants to buy. Jin-sang in Hae-young’s apartment, which is done up like a studio as Do-kyung’s father used to keep it, who asks if he’s heard from the woman who used to live here. Do-kyung hears his own voice saying, “Why would she call me?”

Then Hoon asks about Do-kyung’s recent blind date, then Soo-kyung mentions that one of the Oh Hae-youngs left her company, and asks which one he thinks still works there. Again Do-kyung hears his voice, saying that he doesn’t want to know.

And finally he sees Hae-young, walking toward him with a stony look in her eyes. She passes by without a word, and Do-kyung finds himself standing in the street, uncaring and unmoving when a car strikes him down.

His visions and real life all blend together into a memory of one thing: Hae-young. As Do-kyung lies dying in the street, he says over and over that he’s sorry. His eyes close for the last time, and he finally says the words: “I love you.”

Back in the present, Do-kyung realizes what his visions have been trying to tell him all along, that losing Hae-young is the thing that will send him towards death. He sits in his car and sobs, then he makes a decision, and drives like a bat out of hell back to the city.

He calls Dr. Park and says that he doesn’t care if he dies, but he refuses to die with regrets. “I will go all the way to where my heart takes me.” Dr. Park cheers him on, and Do-kyung hits the gas, not caring about anything but getting to Hae-young.

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Oh no. That last vision seems to explain it all, and it’s every bit as horrible as I feared. The way I interpret it, the vision is telling Do-kyung that he and Hae-young will break up for good, that he’ll be alone for a while, and that eventually he’ll run into Hae-young again. She’ll ignore him, and the pain of that rejection will cause him to either walk into the path of a car on purpose, or at least see it coming and not care. I had assumed that Do-kyung’s death would be a pure accident, but this final vision appears to be warning him that his death will be voluntary — he’ll be so heartbroken over losing Hae-young that he won’t want to live anymore. It’s not that dying will tear them apart, but the fact that they’re torn apart that causes his death.

It makes sense then, if we’re still working within Dr. Park’s theory, why Do-kyung is seeing visions of Hae-young as he lies dying… because losing her is the reason he wants to die. It’s so much worse than I imagined, but it also gives me hope, because if losing Hae-young is what aims Do-kyung towards his death, then it stands to reason that making things right with her could save his life. It’s not too late, he still has time, if the cherry blossoms are a hint that he has nearly a year before the accident.

I’m glad to see Do-kyung finally decide to take action, because while I like his character quite a lot, he has a tendency to be infuriatingly passive. He just lets things happen and does little to try to effect or change them. Even when he saw the vision telling him that he was going to kiss Hae-young, he just waited until he saw her cut lip before he actually did it despite having plenty of opportunities. It’s time he stopped letting his visions send him into a spiral of inertia, assuming that they’re going to happen and just accepting it, and actually did something to try to change them. I like that he’s finally decided that, even if he can’t change what’s going to happen, at least her refuses to die without telling Hae-young how he feels. I’ll be right there with Dr. Park, cheering him on.

Urgh, this has been a difficult couple of episodes to watch. So much pain and heartbreak, and though we knew it was coming, I didn’t expect it to hurt me so much. You know all the parts of a drama have come together perfectly — writing, directing, story and actors — when you feel nearly as invested in their pain as if it were happening to someone you know in real life, which is exactly how I feel about Do-kyung and Hae-young. Their heartache is so real and raw, and it’s just plain painful to watch. This show often makes me feel like I’m peeking in on a couple’s real romance, almost like I’m not meant to see it because it’s so personal and private, but I care about these characters so much and want to see them happy. I know this phase is important, because both Do-kyung and Hae-young still have a long ways to go before they’re ready for a relationship (both individually and as a couple), but it’s just so, so hard to watch.

It was a relief to learn that Do-kyung’s request to Chairman Jang made no difference in all of the events that harmed Hae-young — if he’d never done anything, all of this still would have happened. Tae-jin still would have gone to jail, he still would have cancelled their wedding, and Hae-young still would have met and fallen for Do-kyung. It doesn’t take away the fact that Do-kyung did wrong by asking Chairman Jang to withdraw his funding, but it does remove some of the guilt of what he did, to know that it would have all happened without his interference. But now I’m eager for Do-kyung to know it, because Chairman Jang seems to have an agenda. He had a weird look on his face when he allowed Do-kyung to believe he was working on his request to pull his funding, and now he seems to be setting up Do-kyung and Tae-jin for some reason. Whatever it is, I’d love to see Tae-jin and Do-kyung team up to bring him down.

 
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Thanks for the recap Lollypip.

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And thank you Lollypip for noting that Soo Kyung is the absolute best, because damn, she is. And the actress playing her is knocking it out of the park, from bizarro to vulnerable. She's arresting.

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I'm way more impressed by the actress then the character. I hope she get's more roles especially in films. The stuff from BTS and her work on screen make her seem like a consummate professional.

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She's making something of the character that I don't think is on the page. That scene with her mother? A dry read of that likely comes off as a mean mother-daughter chat, but she made it something that contained real anguish, like she's been so disappointed by her mother for her entire life that it's just a permanent bone-deep ache at this point.

As acted, SK seems like she has no expectation that her mother will ever change, and that the extinguished hope is incredibly painful and carried around with her all the time. As the oldest child in the family Soo Kyung would've shouldered that burden and set a lot of the patterns for her siblings - it's likely Do Kyung is partially following her lead with Hoon too, keeping him in the family and defending him.

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Absolutely. The actors interpretations of Noona have been miles above what is written. In the hands of someone with less skill the depth of character would never be shown. Wat I wonder is how much of it is the writer/director and how much the actor?

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Her defending of Hoon was touching.. If I followed correctly Hoon's Dad is also dead (that explains why DK is so protective of him).
I love this show where it has Oh hae young family is filled with parental love.. Do-kyung has awesome siblings backing him up..

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That's very impressive. I'd earlier thought SK is somewhat messed up, but ultimately, she's only very sensitive and connected to her emotions. I love the look she gave to the mother, the long standing disappointment is on point.

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Yeh Ji-won has worked with the writer before, I believe. I do think some of it is written/directed, but that she's the kind of actress that only has to be told once what her character is about to nail her scenes with no help necessary. Honestly, after watching Mixed Up Investigative Agency, I'm not surprised they have her to add depth to this role that could easily come off as comedic relief.

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She's amazing in the BTS, I was so suprised by how accurate she did the mini stunts and movements. Like when she kicked the bottle out of OHY's hand in one go. Apparently she used to be a black belt I think she revealed in one of the BTS.

I'm so glad she's a grounding rock for her family. The bond they share is so strong regardless of wehther they are fully related or not.

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And the best thing is that she ad-libbed almost all of her awesome parts. If this role was played by someone else she'd be just a forgettable side character.

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I've been saying since the beginning how impressed I was with the cast they got. YJW was the major reason.

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I knew some fishy about how easy CEO Jang take out his investment. And it was so irrational just because of Do Kyung take his money out then Tae Jin went to jail? HA. I'm 100% sure Han Tae Jin isn't clean. The way he kneel to CEO Jang seems suspicious. Perhaps, CEO Jang will use him to destroy Do Kyung. BUt who cares, everything is clear now. So I can happily rooting my OTP.

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That old man is terrific. I'm about to feel bad because he is going to marry that selfish mom, but it turns out they deserve each other. He use dokyung as scapegoat, making dokyung feel bad for things he didn't do, and let that misunderstanding happen. I wonder what could be a good payback to him. Slipping from the stairs? Slipping in near pool and no one happened not be around? I suddenly want to see him in hospital.

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Jin Sang already told that Tae Jin's business is shady before. I think same as CEO Jang as well. But I'm sure Tae Jin really love Hye Young though. Now, I'm happy Hae Young didn't marry Tae Jin.

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Just want to add, even his mom didn't know he went to prison. This guy is really something. I hope when Do Kyung knows the truth, it's his time to punch Tae Jin's face.

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To be fair. Dk already punch TJ in the face. Without reason and he did it 1st.

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I was thinking maybe Chairman Jang thinks that Do Kyung is similar to his mom that only wants his money. I thought he likes him as his future son though but as I see it. He doesn't fully trust him.

I just hope that Do Kyung will learn the truth about Chairman Jang's motives and well let karma ruined him.

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I don't think Chairman Jang likes ANYBODY. He brought Tae Jin to the bar to stick him with the bill for an expensive bottle of liquor, having already pulled his investment. He cut Pretty Hae Young off kind of coldly. He doesn't much care about how his daughter views his parade of wives, but constantly gets her into hair-yanking throwdowns with them like it's a sport. And I think he's been playing Do Kyung's mom from the start (not that I was bothered by that, since she was clearly trying to play him).

My impression is that Chairman Jang likes money, and likes controlling people with money. And that's pretty much it.

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I think Chairman Jang will withdraw all his investments in Do Kyung's company, beacause he hurt his daughter who posses the same character as her dad.

I found interesting that mum finally broke down and is kind of blaming herself for her first husband death and Soo Kyung was so brave to tell her that they don't need a rich parent, because they're doing fine on their own.

Evil Chairman Jang will swap the cards of our characters and will stay untouchable spoiled child playing the greek gods games. Somehow I wish mum would poison them both - the daughter and the dad. I'm getting evil as well :-(

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My thoughts exactly, they both deserve eachother in the end. It's such a smart twist to have the real cause for all this is because of someone else's greed. However if there wasn't the initial spark, as you guys have mentioned Tae Jin doing shady business in the beginnning then maybe none of this would've occured.

Dk is still guilty, but not as guilty. I'd like to believe that this experience as shown in the end of the episode makes DK more stronger in his resolve to love. You only live once as he says.

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The real culprit is han tae Jin's partner. He is the cause of hantaejin's downfall. Poor han taejin he even doesn't know how to pick a decent person tobe trusted to begin with. On the other hand, I hate han taejin for the way he treated her own mother. His kind mother want to propose ohy for him by meeting ohys mother, only to get shout by him. That poor mother said to ohys mother that han taejin is traveling after the breakup.but in the reality han taejin is in prison. Didn't his mother know about it or hantaejin was lying to her mother this whole time? I'm so glad that ohy didn't get married to him.

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True, that's what I understand from the drama, so the reaction from other viewers make me confused. Tae Jin is innocent. The business is shady because of how it was ran by his despicable partner. Not him.

As for his treatment towards his mother. I think it was because he was frustrated with his situation, it was heat of the moment thing. Tae Jin's mother doesn't know the real situation. There is a scene about Tae Jin don't want is mother know about what happened. I don't think other people know about it.

The story makes me think a lot about life. The wretched partner's action affected so many lives, same goes to Do Kyung's mother meddling. They hurt many people because of their greed. It also makes me wonder if there is any of my choices that has affected people negatively. I hope we all can live unselfishly.

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TJ's partner is the main cause, but I do wonder if TJ himself did anything shady? If it's as black and white as gyugu presumes then I've read the situation wrong. That was my initial thought too, but a part of me can't help but think he might've stepped into that area a little too for his business...

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yep. Han Tae Jin lied to his own mother saying he was "abroad" when he was really in jail.
& he yelled at his own mom because he didn't want her butting into his relationship with OHY. i think he wanted to be the one to settle things with Hae Young and her parents so he could come clean about why he broke up with her.
i would be frustrated too if my mom did that. LOL

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Fast forward to lovely-dovey happy scenes please? It's only 2 episodes of sorrow and misery, but my heart breaks so much seeing both Do Kyung and our Hae Young surround themselves with guilt and sadness. I just want to see them happy again.

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Most dramas would likely fill the following episode with angst but ends it with cute and fills the next one with...RAWR? But with OHYA, almost all of my guesses and predictions were off.

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According to the article people have been passing around next week is a much happier set of episodes. However I'm 100 percent sure I'm going to dislike whatever Jang and TJ do...especially from a narrative perspective. I appreciated the character driven story. I really hope they don't do something dumb to pull away form that.

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I'm concerned for the direction of the TJ, Jang plotline too. I just hope it doesn't take away from the show's charm.

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But it's spookily accurate sadness. Getting into the shower with all of your clothes on because you are just DONE WITH IT ALL? Oh man, I have done that.

In fact, with the risk of outing myself as a lunatic, I identify very strongly with OHY. The dressing ridiculously when your emotional turmoil is too much to contain? Check. Sleeping all day? Absolutely. Showering and then just sitting there soaked? Yep. Calling your ex and calmly stating how horrible you hope he feels? Uh, definitely.

If this were your typical makjang I'd be disconnected and probably bored, but instead I'm laughing with spooky recognition at the same time as feeling so horribly sad for everyone.

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Really like ur comment. Exactly like how i feel. The way she acts, i ve done that all. I m watching this with pain. Her pain that i can relate. Thats why we re so tangle up with this drama!

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Most of the behavior (the non violent stuff Our Hae Young does) is not out of the realm of possibility for someone suffering from a breakup/depression/emotional shock.

I love that they portray it without any flourishes. It's stark and real.

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I know, some people criticize the outlandishness or selfishness/pettiness of the characters' thoughts and actions, but for a lot of them I just like "Nah man, same."

Maybe we're lunatics or maybe we're just more honest with ourselves?

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I haven't called any radio shows while drunk on home brew, so at least there's that. I have however DEFINITELY called my poor sister, who tried to give perfectly good advice and got yelled at for her trouble because honestly I was just looking for someone to commiserate about the unforgivable behavior of my vile ex (at least, that was the mindset at the time).

Luckily my sister is not a radio host, or I'd be in trouble.

I think we're just the opposite of someone like Do Kyung, who bottles it all up and deals with it internally. If we kept it inside, we'd explode and possibly level the immediate vicinity. Letting it out in bursts of nuttiness is far healthier (meanwhile, the Do Kyung internal types tend to look just fine right up until they experience a total meltdown that seems to come out of nowhere, or which literally takes them out of commission for a while).

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Really? I thought Do Kyung's type is a typical one, because I was a lot like him! I tend to close my heart, and honestly I don't even know how to let go of myself. Because of my inability to trust other people and let myself loose, I did big mistake 5 years ago, lost someone precious to me and regretted until now. You could say, words like "I miss you" and "I love you" is really hard for people like me to say.

So seeing our Hae Young so free and expressive feels alien to me. I guess, that's the part I envious of her, because she could say something she truly feels, with no holding back! She tries her best, and whatever happens she could move on with no regret.

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@doubt_no_more : me too... I'm more Do Kyung type than Hae Young... Several people is just hard to honest >it's just not that easy

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I'm also the one to bottle up and cry alone... I closed off so much that only my mother can tell if somethings wrong.. Other than that I'll pretend to be normal and divert my attention to work/dramas....

Only once I cried at corner outside my home in rain..and yelled my heart out at a concert... That's the most OHY part in me...

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@doubt_no_more my thought is exactly like you

I felt more relate to Do Kyung
I am an introvert who tends to be a listener rather than a talker. I Iet out most of my feelings (happiness, anger, disappoinment, everything) in the form of writing. So I understand Do Kyung's preference to be quiet and holding in his feelings and his thought all by himself

Sometimes I wanted to be able to express my feelings just like Our Hae Young did. But people might think I am a crazy person if I act like Hae Young in real life.

That's why I love to watch dramas. It's like an alternate way to make my wish/imagination comes true.

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Because we are women. Ladies usually act like OHY the first week (month?) after break up. But men often suffer quietly and deny their sadness for a while after break up. Their breaking point usually happens 2-week ( 1-month) after break up specially when they feel their exes have move on.

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@agree and @keiru

exactly me... Even when I watch drama, when I feel sad I just can't cry in front of the presence of others. But when I watch alone, I just cry to death. I am so Do Kyung, can't say too cheesy words like I'll miss you even to my BFF. I just kinda feel so weird and forever sad internally and alone, will never tell anyone ever the fact that I'm sad or depressed. Just ugh. so relatable to Do Kyung, tho I'm a woman :< I hope you find the courage to be happy DK.

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HAHA! Thank god, you guys. I wrote a comment last episode about how I identify with BOTH are lead characters and since both of them are crazy in everyone's eyes, I wonder what that makes me, lol...

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I've always thought it was how realistic they seem that was part of the dramas charm. Everyone sees bits of themselves somewhere in this drama. While most females would at lesat identify themselsve a little with OHY. I know I'd personally like to act like OHY in how open she can be, but in reality I'm more like DK who holds everything in.

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I'm very similar. Oh Hae Young reminds me a bit of the self I wish I could let out more, while the many aspects of me that are like Park Do Kyung continuously hold me back (sometimes in good ways, sometimes in bad ones).

It's weird, but I think, by taking these characters to extremes, they make me feel a little more comfortable with myself and my ability to bounce back from things. If a character as emotionally stunted as PDK can take control of his life and happiness by changing his perspective than it will really mean something to me. Just as someone like Oh Hae Young really learning to love herself in the way she needs to to continue to 'live out loud' without 'acting out' will really mean something to me. I really think the drama is trying to pull this off and, if so, I'm very very happy.

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yeah i relate to both. in diff ways for diff reasons. but there is a strong feeling of empathy for each of them, and sometimes even other OHY. i feel bad for other characters and can care about them without necessaringly empathizing to such a level but with our main couple i really do! even tho i wouldnt do half the things either of them have done cause im too self conscious to show so much of my "weaknesses" so to speak. i dont like looking like a loony lol but thats why i admire our OHY so much! and lbr i think thats what DK likes about her too. he practically said as much.
i cant be as relentlessly pleasant as other OHY tho. cuz my temper is atomic and i'd have ripped DK's mom's wig off if she tried to come at me the way she did OHY. like i prefer to look/stay cool but im the type when i DO let go...hoo boy.
so yeah i feel a bit with everyone's pain/struggles even if alot or most of it isnt something i have done or would do/act on.

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Interesting. I thought people will resonate more with DK, because I do. I guess people cope with their pains differently, and no one's better than the other

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I completely agree. A lot of skeptics out there but for those who have been through tough breakups and heartbreaks - you know this is real.

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Yes the pain is so so real for those who've experienced it at least once. I found myself aching along with OHY and DK in so many scenes.

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Am I the only one that do enjoy the show as I did in the beginning?

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AUGHHHH!!! He said it. He finally said it. Now he just has to say it to HER. Please let nothing happen until he gets to her!!!

I felt so emotionally drained after watching this episode, I had to go and listen to some happy music to pull me out of the funk I was in. But honestly, I can't get over how GREAT this show is.

OHY1's family continues to be the BEST parents ever in the world. How cute was the dad when he was holding the doll, and how heartbreaking was the moment the mom was asking for her daughter to trust her to share her troubles with her.

PDK's family dynamics got to me too. When Isadora gave her brother a hug... That moment was so sweet. I'm glad that they gave us a reason to hate PDK's mom a little less... That she feels guilty for losing her first husbands fortune. That obviously does not negate ANYTHING that she's done, but it shows just how much of a tragic lifestyle she's chosen to live.

And PDK and OHY1's interactions continue to be the best part of the show. Even though they didn't have many scenes together, the ones they did have together were electric. They have to end up together!! Have to! If PDK really is reliving his life after getting into an accident, I'm going to be really confused as to what is "real" and what is not. I'm slightly hoping that other people's guess that he doesn't actually get into an accident is true, but until then... I'll trust these writers!

I hadn't thought of HTJ and PDK working together to take down evil chairman... But now I'm all for it! Bring on the bromance!!!

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I think the vision were set for him to believe he would survive the accident and to away only regret pushing hae young because of it..
Forget all he is going to her & that's all I care...

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@miranda

yeah I'm with you on the happy music.

Mostly Disney music and stuff form the new lion king soundtrack. Anything else just made me cry.

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All of the visions he had at the field are related to the people around him. It used to be only OHY & Jin Sang but now he had visions on his family as well.

The visions imply that things are not going great for OHY & PDK. Eg he's going on blind date & OHY ignoring him on the street. What if it was just an action? He's just putting an act infront of other people but still secretly try to date/woo OHY?

For example the scene where OHY ignore him. I'm hoping that its not actually a sad scene..

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Lollypip's theory on Do Kyung's vision, that losing Hae Young would be the reason for his death, is certainly interesting. I never thought of it that way but I like the theory a lot, gives Do Kyung a greater deal of autonomy and agency on his part to change his life. In the last scene where his string of visions appear, it was apparent that Do Kyung was being shown his future without the presence of Hae Young and how meaningless his life was without her. I didn't link his accident to him being so heartbroken over losing her that he'd walk into traffic, I just presumed it was an involuntary accident that happened that wasn't an indirect consequence of losing Hae Young. Do Kyung's future visions were obviously so powerful to spur him into action to want to make the most out of his life while he had the chance, which includes keeping Hae Young by his side. He at least now recognises that he has the power to actively change his intended fate and perhaps avoid his intended death.

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I also realized that in his last vision, the director used grayish palette instead of the usual lovely pinkish palete with its dreamlike quality. It show us very clearly what a bleak life he will live if he let Haeyoung go back to her ex-fiance.

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I was also suprised by Lollypip's theory too, didn't see it as motivation for him to do something with his life. I was actually quite confused with how he's suddenly seeing everything. If this was the direction they are going with the show, then I'm all for it.

The filter was very different, it seemed a bit like a horror movie flash back instead.

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Don't you go flip flopping like a broken light do kyung ah! And the car that hit him,, isn't that han tae jin's car??

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No.

TaeJin's car is taller than that. Although, it is white like that.

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If it's a KIA car I'm just gonna laugh.

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I'm not sure whether KIA should feature so many of their cars in this drama. I have the urge to run in fear whenever I see one now...

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Hahahhaha....I just died from this comment.

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It does look like a Kia car... ...

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It is indeed a KIA white sedan...LOL. I went back to ep. 8 when htj first saw ohy at the bus stop ?

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I feel bad for Eric whenever watching all these crazy car scenes - he was in a really bad accident where he was hit by a car driven by a stunt driver so I have to imagine it's stressful for him!

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Thank you so much for taking one for the team and watching the last 2 eps. I don't think I could watch them. They sound so painful. And I cringed reading about her radio indiscretion, won't be able to handle watching it. I think I'll tune in for next weeks eps. It can't get more heartbreaking, can it? Right? Right?

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Nooooo! you said the words. Now you've done it ; )

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OMG, reading about it is only one tenth of the pain and cringing. Poor Hae Young :(

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Where is Tuesday when I need it?
Was cheering PDK on along with his psychiatrist but could he please slow down a bit.
I just couldn't hate PDK before even when we all thought he was the one who ruined HTJ and I sympathised him more upon learning the truth. If only he didn't drink and listened to JS to start revenging.
Confucius said it right "Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves".

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Inappropriate Psychiatrist is currently being inappropriate in wonderful ways. Yelling Braveheart-style at speakerphone? Fantastic.

I cannot get over how perfectly the production team and writers are weaving sound editing (the profession) into the story. In any other drama it could be boring - here it's meaningful.

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Tell me about it, I was mesmerized at how beautiful he looked lying down consumed by the green fields amid the blowing wind.

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It will be more perfect if Hae Young lying beside him :)

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Ooooh, that needs to happen!

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There's nothing like a little roll in the Hae-Young...

*cues "Second Hand News" by Fleetwood Mac*

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"Braveheart-style" hahaha ? omg I was cackling during that scene, that's the perfect way to describe it.

Inappropriate Psychiatrist is a really sucky psychiatrist but actually kinda a really good friend.

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It was the perfect cringey friend fist pump style encouragement.

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You know what? I've always loved Inappropriate Psychiatrist. Always. And here was no exception.

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DAMMIT. Well, I think about OHY this episode...and perhaps revealing my name once again on DB isn't such a big deal, lol.

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That psychiatrist is the best! I love how he even gets kinda teary during his yelling. Empathy on point

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“Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves”. This is why I love DB..
You can get lot of insight...

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You'll know a lot of quotes if you're a fan of Criminal Minds like me.

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Speaking of Criminal Minds - did you see the announcement that the agency who did Descendants of the Sun is going to do Criminal Minds?

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Wha....t, seriously? Never heard of that. I'm worried.

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How in the world are they going to do this? Criminal Minds is one of the most brutal shows on milquetoast CBS...

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OCN could pull it off but our profilers from CM are one of a kind especially Reid and I loved the early seasons when Gideon was still around.

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And.. Next episode Park Do Kyung will fight for his love while our Oh Haeyoung tries to move on.. What a twisted~~~

I'm glad that Park Do Kyung won't just give up for that damn vision and he decided, "I'll go all the way to where my heart takes me,"

Obviously.. To the flower road to our Oh Haeyoung.

Thank you for the recap Lollypip-nim^^

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Thank you for the recap Lollypip!

This is my first time leave a comment in DB and wow i just want to express how this episode really hurt me. I bawled and cried a lot untik my eyes hurt. I don't remember when was the last time i cried when watching romcom.

I cried because i feel soooo bad and sooo sad towards DK and our HY. But i also cried because i'm so mad at people's reaction towards HY's broadcast. It's a very sad and tragic story for me and the fact that people are laughing and making fun of HY is beyond my logic. I'm happy that at least our HY have a supportive teammates who's on her side and could protect her.

i hope the next episode won't be too sad just like this. I dunno if i could handle anymore sadness from HY and DK's story ㅠ.ㅠ

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Sorry! I am not getting your name right LollyPip! I think I will just call you LP! Like JB and GF!

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Yes!

That radio reaction drove me insane. Do people really do that? It's horrible! I mean really? Someone's marriage is broken up because of a name and they think that's funny? Especially when they know the people involved....dear god.

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Believe me dear, there are many people like that. Especially those who hear news about people they're not close to.

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It's the social media thing. We would laugh at funny things without thinking if the feeling of the persons involved especially if (s)he is unrelated to us.

This is particularly true in my country as we have prank segments on radio and the joke can be overboard sometimes.

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Yup! Its source material for gossiping..I've seen this for real.. I always ignore because small talks are only amusement of small people in there boring life who can't do anything themselves..
They have exaggerated them in this series through all possible ways like office, friend circle and neighborhood..But people like these do exist..

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This seems unrelated but the whole radio situation reminds me of the Madison mistress website revelation. A hacker got into the website and revealed all these details on men who were cheating with women contacted from the site.

In Australia two radio show host thought it'd be funny to ring up a woman and tell her that her husband was revealed to be part of the list. The lady immediately broke down on radio live, and the backlash was so bad. Stuff like public humiliation does happen, and it's sickening to know there are those who would think it's funny because they are unrelated to the people themselves.

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SERIOUSLY?! That is so horrible. How could they think revealing something that heartbreaking live is remotely okay?

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People do that. I always had to remind myself, no one will sympathise with me because they don't know how it feels. Not even your closed ones. I just have to pull myself together, and not expect too much from people.

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oh my sweet summer child. how little you know of people if you think that reaction isnt almost exactly what would happen in real life. people love gossip, and someone else's misfortune will make them feel better about their own. it staves off boredom and allows them to commiserate with others over a common target of derision. to name a few reasons react with such amusement at this sad scenario. i mean its the same reason funny videos often involve someone hurting themselves. (its not the same as laughing at someone's life falling apart v laughing at them slapping themselves in the face with a giant salmon by accident or smth but the point stands imo.)

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I have never minded slapstick because it's embarrassing but momentary and happens to everyone. However when your talking about a persons entire life being destroyed by misfortune it starts to become seriously grim...It freaks me out just how much people can be terrible. Reminds me of all the stuff I read about the actress Choi Jin-Sil and what happened to her. Koreans are brutal man.

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@Nincess,

The schadenfreude in this episode was appalling to me, too. Especially that of OHY's nosy aunt. Grrr.

And what is it with a radio station to not use a 7-second delay for callers? Oh, right, OHY would miss out on another arrow of outrageous fortune if she'd been bleeped. In this case, she did it to herself by speaking under the influence. It may actually be a good thing in the sense that facing the consequences of her actions might motivate her to change her self-destructive behavior. She may not be far from hitting bottom after this radio fiasco, and that is ultimately a good thing.

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So it wasn't really Do Kyung's fault ! Thank God, now I can live my life in peace. But wait, there's Tae Jin's incoming revenge..

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I know! What an unexpected twist!
The writing is terrific here, almost like a novel - the audience is no longer omniscent here but as Lollypip says but is also subject to the main lead's POV. And suddenly we're watching a makjang where a chaebol parent screw someone over except the execution of it is very real and you've probably seen someone with a higher position done something cruel like this before especially after you start work in the corporate world. *chills* + a lot of crying.
I've never seen a drama paint out so vividly the mechanics of what a real relationship feels like (but maybe I should watch less Hollywood and more European art films). That mixture of intense hate and longing when relationships have gone through mileage and circumstances is really hard yet somewhat therapeutic to watch it on screen.
It's hard to talk about the unglamorous side of an authentic human life lived to the fullest.
It's not a side that looks well put together infact it can be downright ugly, 'embarrassing' and makes you look a fool.
There will be a**holes who'll laugh at you like what the drama showed, which happens in my experience, in Asian cultures that especially use shame as a behavioural shaping tool. That fear of shame and consequently, failure, shapes a majority of people who live life 'safely' and live life "high and dry" and therefore they are less empathetic of people who fight for what they want. I suspect though there's an element of fear or jealousy - like how dare that person go fight for what they want? Of course they'll fail, people should just stay where they are even though they're miserable and complain your ears off. Then there are those who are well-meaning and sympathetic, but if there aren't clear solutions, people aren't comfortable "staying with the problem" and you.
Part of it, I think has to do with media which shows real life as peaches and cream so I'm glad at least someone out there isn't shine a light on our innermost tussles or complications.
I'm seriously glad this drama is getting accolades and airtime (is sadly reminded of Bubblegum) and also a step in changing perceptions anywhere it airs to not be afraid to be 'embarrassed' like Do-Kyung *giggles*

Sorry, it turned out this long.
Thanks for reading, whoever! Guess the drama really provoked too many feels ha.

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It's not just Asian society. It's any society that basis itself on the idea of community and family before all else. There isn't a lot of room in a world like that for people who choose something different because there is no place for that. Everyone fits just so. If you don't accept it then you have no place and must be removed/ostracized. People however are not like perfectly shaped archetypes.

It's why being gay muslim and bengali sucks balls. At least I live in the US!

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Well said @Oshi! Im glad you're in the U.S. too!

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I feel cheated with the director jang revelation.

If the bussiness just go side way on normal scene and TJ knew it's all in his partnertship, things may turn out differently not the same as the show suggest.
He can tell his family, he may tell OHY and he will not taken off guard and go alone in the dark hating the wrong person or used as writer driving force to do anything and they may still going with the marriage.
He will not so negative on DK for having OHY now because they are unrelated.
But then do kyung is troubled individual cause he indeed wish it to happen and he did asked it. Didn't care about it and start his entanglement with OHY because her relation to TJ and that pity relation.

I feel like the stories want to give DK a lighter way out to make him innocent which for me actually going againts the story.
What I get is DK suddenly has no fault in the TJ bussiness and viewer need to feel sorry for accusing him after all the past ep.
But then DK as individual never make me root for him and instead I am buying his redemption and 2nd chance story.
Everyone make mistake that get 2nd chance here., OHY to love again, TJ to learn the honesty, OHY2 to hold on (well she has many thing but let settle at that) and DK for not doing selfish thing which didn't happen??
It's cruel to make him feel so guilty but I never really connected with him blaming himself that much. Especially when TJ also get the idea for break off the marriage because blaming his incompetence for not seeing hiw this happen.
Fr me it's okay if it happen because of DK so he can show new light of hope to fix things since that's life is.
TJ now is like a plot device to make OTP meet, argue and getting back because there actually nothing now between OHY and DK. So is this the end?

Ps: dramaland can't let go of chaebol old man villain theme, it's okay to be young and wild....
I just watch the ep so this is really a raw observation, can't believe the recap is here

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Tbh there's nothing to connect OHY1 and DK without making TJ suffer or ruin his bussiness without involving DK.
OHY, DK and TJ is stranger, OHY2 didn't tell much about OHY to DK either.

If they meet without DK supposedly ruining TJ bussiness, will their story start??, will DK take give that much of attention for OHY? Hardly that way in this story

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Then the question is will TJ break off the marriage if he didn't caught in the dark and will he lied that bad without having TJ bussiness got ruin for unknown reason??
I think sanchez thinks about TJ situation when the investment pull out. Like getting F when you know you at least get B then can't cope up when your mom asked after school.

Without DK involve in TJ, they may marriage and OHY didn't need to move or they may break up but he may not selling a fake lies since he aware "it's bussiness to bussiness decision" not random action or even a begged lame wish that get accepted. He may have time to think and tell OHY since in the flash back he didn't know why dr. Jang pull out the investment. Kept in the dark and sudden cauggt and I remember he need to asked PDK for the answer.

It's like knowing your bike is broken when your dad take it rather than loosing the bike suddenly and ask your neighbor for the reason.

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Htj didn't even know pdks existence. He know about it from jinsang who try to help him to be released from prison. It is htjs own decision to break up with ohy because he fear that his bankruptcy will harm ohy. Just look how he treat his own mother, that says a lot about him.

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I think the reveal was so that there can be a time loop. DK doesn't make the decision to ruin TJ's business. He still goes to jail because of his shady partner and breaks up with HY. HY and DK still meet and can form a relationship without guilt and secrets hindering them.

DK's redemption really lies in whether he'll know that choosing not to ruin TJ will still allow him to be with HY.

Does he choose to take the higher ground and not ruin TJ but lose HY in the process, or does he make the immoral decision because it will allow him to meet HY instead?

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So he'll allow himself with HY when he knew it wasn't because of him.

I think that's the story give away

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This is what I thought in episode 4 when we got a different version of the hug at the end. That 'vision', if I recall, made him feel as though she were telling him to stop being unhappy, that they should be happy together. I think that vision may have been a glimpse at would could have been since it gave him a more positive feeling. Either that, or it just got me to consider this same theory at the time, lol.

I think it works because, in that scenario, he'd still try to avoid her at first because of her name, but they would eventually connect over their broken engagements and move on more naturally. I personally think DK had a pretty strong attraction to Hae-young that guilt heavily obscured and that their relationship would have happened anyway. I'm not sure, in this scenario, whether DK would retain his memories of events in this timeline or not.

I actually discounted this theory a while back, but...the next episode is, in fact, titled "Even if I turn back time, I would meet you again". So they may just go there, although I'm wondering whether I might rather have them save their relationship in this timeline.

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I don't mind the idea of this being a time loop and DK and OHY have an opportunity to get it right without the spector of DK being responsible for breaking up the TJ/OHY wedding. I just don't want this drama to end that way - with us seeing them meeting for the first time again. I've been through too much with this pair for that to happen... *Gets worked up and throws self on the floor, kicking and screaming... I want to see them end happy in a big embrace declaring their undying love for each other!!! *covers eyes with arm as tears trickle down cheeks. /ends tantrum

Sorry, I guess I'm still not over the last 2 episodes...

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Oh definitely. If it does happen, I want it to happen soon so that we can enjoy the hilarity & sweetness of watching their courtship begin all over again, and continue all the way to the big embrace declaring their love.

I feel you, I need next week already.

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Oh god, my brain flashed to this will be the open ending. the two of them meet again in a time loop at the end but with better circumstances....god dammit if the writer does that to me. I enjoy Kdramas because of the closure you get form the endings as much as anything else. Don't mess this up!

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I do think this is a bit of a cop out, because it forced us to love our leads for all their faults. Now the big thing that Do Kyung had against him, wasn't even his fault in the end.

I don't need an evil old chaebal in the story. It was strong enough on its own merits.

But this is what we've got so we've got to roll with it now.

I hope that Do Kyung can win back Oh Hae Young before it's all revealed.

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I like the Evil Jang twist because it basically weaponized Do Kyung's mom. She is going to lose it.

And Do Kyung did still intend to have Jang pull his investment, so the reality isn't out of line with his intention. DK was horrified to realize his request had resulted in a cancelled wedding, bankruptcy and jail time, but the fact is that the pulled investment on his request still could have done that. So DK still should feel pretty bad about himself, it's just Tae Jin's motive for revenge is defused if everyone knows the background (though TJ would probably still go ballistic because of Hae Young).

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Oh, also: if Jang gets rid of his wives in the way described, then that probably means Pretty Hae Young's mom was sent off in the same way.

If that's true, then Pretty may be the key in telling everyone that there's a difference between the face Jang presents to the world and his backroom machinations. She's got a much, much deeper knowledge of Jang than Do Kyung (who has no interest in him and made a drunken request) or Tae Jin (who is completely blinded by the possibility of funding.

Since Pretty is quite smart, I'd love to see her be the one hearing the favor/revenge story and pointing out the flaws.

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+1
This will make OHY2 has more roles ^^

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Redemptive moment for Bit Na?

I'm still gonna want to hate her but I will choose to accept this interpretation which I don't think will happen.

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+1 awesome pretty can be the key here...
Somewhere in my mind I think chairman Jung's evil role came into picture because of shows extension...
I actually think it's pretty decent way to keep conflict till the end of the show...

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But Barbie is so self-centered and just wants to be liked by everyone that it would be out of character if she tells others what kind of man the chairman really is. I mean up until last episode she's still eager to meet up with him occasionally and had to be actually told by him that it's awkward and they should stop seeing each other.

Unless she gets some serious character growth in the coming episodes which will take the writer some work since her character has been steadily going downhill in the past episodes I really don't see that coming but we shall see.

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Oh god I hope so! I feel like im the only one left that doesnt despise her (im sure im not the ONLY one i just feel outnumbered man)
they did the work to flesh her out as a person so now i wanna see her DO something other than infuriate OHY by existing and throwing herself at DK. and her finding a way to get revenge on Jang AND on DK's mom. would be kind of amazing tbh. and i want her to do/get something just for her and that has nothing to do with DK or OHY. just smth for her so we can see her finally grow and change and fly off to greener pastures by ep 18. (conversely i care v little about where TJ ends up. i dont hate him i just...dont...care)

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I rather have OTP that accept each other past and move on than realize there's no fault in their action in the past (which I believe still have fault).

But you are right, gotta roll with what we have.

@miranda.
Now it seems like TJ is at fault for undeserve revenge.
It's gonna be a twist if he move on but yeah I think TJ will be the bad guy for a moment to make the revenge happen, realize he is wrong and trample Dr Jang with DK and then let OHY with DK.

So his arc still doesn't need him to forgive the one who framed him but to payback... Hmm
I think I speculate too much

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I feel like that is to easy. TJ is supposed to be an intelligent business person. he can't be that stupid not to suspect there might be more reasons behind Jerk Jang's machinations.

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We have to wait for later episodes to choose that.. Whether taejin becomes Jung pawn against do Kyung or sees through him and fights with DK..

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I don't know, he might be intelligent but I am afraid that right now he would be too consumed by his emotions to think clearly... Additionally, Dokyung's actions has made the whole situation with Taejin worse (I am still pissed off with the crashing car thing), that I wouldn't be surprised that Taejin would take the bait if Chairman Jang offered one.

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honestly the reason given before the "reveal" never made any sense to me. why WOULD a billionaire old guy who hadnt even married DK's mom yet. decide to alter or consider ANY business decisions on DK's request? esp when DK has zero hand or knowledge of business. he wasnt like manipulating facts and using a position of authority (like if DK was a businessman for example) to convince Jang of doing something. Jang immediately was like OK Buddy! and DK was naive enough to think that worked. i mean....i just dont get why NO ONE at any point in the story stopped to think about how little that made sense. but to the drama's credit i honestly forgot about that and was drawn into the OTP's struggles which are way above and beyond any past misunderstanding re TJ and his bad luck.

but now that it was point in the spotlight again, for them to FINALLY reveal that Jang is True Culprit. and he's a cunning opportunistic man who knows how to make money. (which is not at all contradicted by Jang's scenes in previous episodes) puts everything in a new and much more REALISTIC light. and it was the one point of wtf for me in an otherwise very grounded drama.

so yeah its not a cop out at all. esp since ultimately OHY isnt mad about him "ruining" TJ or the jail thing but because she thinks he loved/loves other OHY this whole time. and he's being closed off over it cuz of his OWN baggage. the thing with TJ has been an excuse/catalyst more than anything for them rather than the true crux of their issues. so this reveal changes NOTHING cuz DK still did attempt to do what he was accused on the account of other OHY. the fact that he had no actual bearing on the proceedings, is rly only a comfort to DK. TJ will still have gotten fucked over (just not by DK) and OHY will still feel hurt/unloved.
so yeah Jang is a horrible man but he's STILL not the real reason OHY/DK are struggling. and even after this whole thing is straightened out they may still need time to really be on the same page once and for all. but that's why this drama is so great! imo

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I don't think it was a cop out at all. It makes more sense to me. I thought it was so ridiculous that a smart business man like the chairman would just pull his investment just because his gf's son asked him to. It's clear he's not out there to impress DK's mom. She's the one trying hard to impress him and make him happy all the time. I really kept wondering why he would just listen to DK for now reason. This reveal actually makes more sense.

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The connection between DK and Our Hae Young existed in plenty of ways simply because of Bitch Na. All this did was illustrate that the destruction of the marriage was a giant disaster that DK involved himself in.

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But they just classmate who share the same name?
DK didn't knew her or get introduce by OHY2,
Ruining TJ is what make DK try to open up and be there to her, also indirectly (part of it, even if small) make her to move out.
A little they knew they have something going on later.

It gonna be different story if they meet without TJ story linked on them since what I really like is how TJ life get affected and affected them by small screen time interaction.

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I was thinking about her PD friend, the place she moved into, Noona etc etc etc. There are plenty of ways they could ahve crossed paths. This was just the most disastrous.

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They can meet without TJ involve with them but the angs will not be there, therefore TJ feels like the plot device.

For people that invest to the story, I can see that perspective too.

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