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Oh Hae-young Again: Episode 16

This might be my favorite episode yet, as we finally start seeing significant character growth all across the board. Old rivalries are soothed, old feelings are addressed, and new bonds are forged from the threads left over. Things seem to be looking up, but Do-kyung isn’t out of the woods yet, and he’s still faced with the threat of his own mortality — but at least he’s learning to appreciate the time he’s got left, however long that might be.

 

 
EPISODE 16: “Through you, I live”

After Do-kyung lets Tae-jin beat him up and sees how much it upsets Hae-young, he wonders to himself if it he should tell her the truth about his visions. Telling her about his impending death will hurt her, but she’s already being hurt, so wouldn’t the truth be better?

As he thinks that he just wants her to be happy, another vision hits him. This time he sees the car that will strike him as actively gunning him down, with Tae-jin behind the wheel.

He wakes the next morning in his home studio, which used to be Hae-young’s apartment. The first thing he does is text Hae-young that he’ll drive her to work, and her cheerful response belies her own melancholy mood after an emotional night.

She nearly startles him to death by popping up in his face as he’s leaving his place, and he crumples to the ground, holding his head. She kneels in front of him to apologize, but he smiles and says that he just can’t stand up, he’s so touched. They cutely make up, though Do-kyung warns Hae-young never to scare Soo-kyung like that.

Speaking of Soo-kyung, Jin-sang can’t stop thinking about their kiss, which had quickly gone beyond his making a point and into grabby-hands territory. He realizes that someone is climbing under his covers, but HAHA, it’s just Hoon playing a joke on him. He says that he saw Jin-sang kissing his noona, and notes that it sure was a long one.

He starts calling Jin-sang “brother-in-law,” but Jin-sang says you don’t just marry every woman you kiss. He says that he’s trying to think calmly and rationally about the situation, which is funny because he’s pretty much hysterically screaming at this point.

Soo-kyung opens the door, interrupting Hoon’s victory dance, and tells Jin-sang that he may still be thinking, but she’s done. When he decides what he wants to do, she invites him to a talk, and they can lay out all their plans to each other.

Dr. Park urges Do-kyung to tell Hae-young about his visions, so that they can team up and make a plan to try to save his life. It’s his idea that they pretend to break up, and just get back together after the danger has passed.

The second doctor seems to just poof into existence in the office (more on this later) to say that that makes no sense. In the original vision they had broken up, yet Tae-jin still tried to kill him. When Do-kyung says that he’s feeling surprisingly at ease, the doctor thinks that’s a sign that he’s going down the correct path.

He tells Do-kyung that his current situation is really the result of past decisions he’s made, and that they’ll repeat unless he turns to love. Once he does that, it will erase those negative situations, which is why his scenario is changing now. He tells Do-kyung not to turn back to fear — he should relax, and commit himself fully.

On his way home, Do-kyung buys a pretty bouquet of flowers, which he takes to Hae-young’s office. The other Hae-young sees him first and grumbles that he used to say he hates a woman who cries, but our Hae-young cries all the time. But she also admits that a fearlessly honest person like her is perfect for him, and congratulates them.

Do-kyung leaves the flowers on Hae-young’s desk and starts to leave, but he turns back when he hears her coworkers saying that she’s not that pretty. Then he sees that she’s right there and they’re just teasing, and he smiles to see her smiling.

A bit later, Hae-young eyes the flowers on her desk suspiciously, assuming they must be for the other Hae-young. But they do sort of feel like hers (aww, poor Sung-jin looks grumpy), and she gets all fluttery when she realizes that without a card, they must have been dropped off personally.

Just then Do-kyung texts her (saying that he’s better than that kid from high school, hee) and hearts practically fly out of her eyes. Then she whacks her knee on her desk and has to freeze until the pain passes, heh.

Tae-jin reports to Chairman Jang that he’s somehow arranged for Do-kyung’s studio to be seized, but that’s all he’s been able to do since his house isn’t on the market yet. Jang ridicules him for giving up so easily, and Tae-jin vows to find something else to stick it to Do-kyung.

Once Tae-jin leaves, we see that his former partner was in the restroom the whole time, listening in. Chairman Jang reminds him that he didn’t revoke his investment because he’d been doing something shady — he did it because Do-kyung asked him to.

Hae-young bustles around the kitchen and Mom figures out that she’s cooking for Do-kyung again, which sets her off. She goes out for a walk, thinking about Hae-young and how much she’s like her mother: “I hate her because she takes after me. And I love her because she takes after me.”

She worries that Hae-young will have a difficult life because of the way she is, but she buys the burdock Hae-young is missing for her dish, and takes it home reluctantly. “That crazy girl who’s pouring her heart out after falling head over heels in love with this guy. I don’t know why it makes me tear up. Will I feel less sad if I take her side and cheer her on?”

Do-kyung picks up Hae-young, who’s loaded down with the food her parents helped make. Jin-sang calls to whine, and Hae-young says she made enough food for everyone, though Do-kyung warns him to stay downstairs and not come upstairs no matter what HAHA, Hae-young’s face — not that I blame her.

Hoon and An-na work on the sound effects for a movie (hi there, Jung Yumi!) in the studio, and Hoon gets the same call from Jin-sang, who’s too scared to go home and be alone with Soo-kyung. Hoon warns Jin-sang not to treat his sister like he’s treated all those other women.

On their way out of the studio, Hoon and An-na run into Hee-ran, who immediately adopts a frosty expression. An-na hangs on Hoon, aware that this is the woman Hoon’s been upset over, and the two ladies exchange barbed comments while Hoon tries to spontaneously combust.

An-na reminds Hee-ran that it will look bad if she stops working with Hoon after trying to seduce him, defending her man fiercely. Hee-ran grudgingly admits that An-na is a pretty good girlfriend.

Even though Jin-sang is scared to go home, it’s sweet that he bought a melon, remembering that Do-kyung said Soo-kyung likes them. He remembers a time when he would artistically broods under a street light, but Soo-kyung found him anyway. She thought he was upset because he failed the bar exam, but he’d been informed it was time for his army duty.

He’d been worried that he’d be away for two years before he could take the bar again, and that he’d forget everything he learned in law school. Exhausted, he’d collapsed on Soo-kyung’s shoulder. Now she watches him under that same street light, burdened by equally heavy thoughts… but this time, instead of going to him, Soo-kyung walks away.

Drunk again, Tae-jin tells his partner that he’s getting his revenge, but he doesn’t feel excited about it. His partner says he should stop then, but Tae-jin slurs that he can’t, since everyone knows he went to prison and Hae-young is now dating the guy who sent him there. He feels like people are watching him to see what he’ll do.

Do-kyung still has Hae-young’s night light and music box, and she cringes that giving them back was childish of her. She hugs his neck for the flowers he brought today, then flirtatiously says she’s going to brush her teeth. Do-kyung joins her, which is adorably domestic of them.

Do-kyung gets a text from Tae-jin, warning him that today is his last day of happiness. He hides it from Hae-young, and takes her to his studio to play some music for her. Do-kyung asks why she fell in love with him at first sight like she says, but she doesn’t know. She just feels like she recognized him.

She says that the moment she saw him, she wanted to just barge into his heart and remove anything making him unhappy. He asks if he seemed that unhappy, and she says that he did. She thinks that she must have been unhappy too, but that they can be happy together.

She teases him for playing hard to get, which makes him break into the biggest beautiful unguarded smile. He stands to hug her, and Hae-young wishes for him to grow old and gray so that she can be the only woman who finds him attractive. In return, Do-kyung wishes for her to get fat, ha.

The next day, Do-kyung’s team finds their office covered in red repossession stickers, and it’s obvious from his demeanor that Do-kyung knew this would happen. He calls a friend to try to get jobs for all four of them, even throwing all of his equipment into the deal.

When his mother shows up looking shocked and disheveled, Hoon growls at her, “It’s you, isn’t it.” Ah, this is about her defaulted loan. She confronts the loan shark, reminding him that she’s always paid him eventually, but he says that he sold the debt to someone else. He mentions that it has something to do with Oh Hae-young, and she flies into a rage.

Jin-sang comes over as Do-kyung’s lawyer, promising to appeal this, but Do-kyung says it’s only right that he lose everything after what he did to Tae-jin. Besides, Tae-jin is working with Chairman Jang, whose power is greater than anything a mere lawyer can do.

Jin-sang feels responsible, since he was the one who talked Do-kyung into trying to ruin Tae-jin in the first place. He apologizes, but Do-kyung says that if they hadn’t done that, he would never have met Hae-young.

Our Hae-young takes the other Hae-young to lunch, to thank her for saving that letter from the boy. She apologizes for hating the other Hae-young, realizing now that she never personally harmed her — it was the fault of others that they compared the two.

They walk and chat after eating, and out of nowhere, Do-kyung’s mother appears and smacks the other Hae-young with her purse. She starts screaming that she ruined her son’s life, and our Hae-young pushes her away and threatens to call the police.

When Mom screams Do-kyung’s name, that’s when our Hae-young realizes who she is, and that she has the wrong Hae-young. She jumps in and says it’s not her that’s causing Do-kyung’s problems, that she’s the one seeing him now.

Mom has to draw a diagram to get it all straight, and she immediately turns all her vitriol on our Hae-young. She accuses Hae-young of pitting two men against each other, and tells her to date within her own league. She somehow manages to hit every nerve Hae-young has, and you can practically see her shrivel into herself.

She harangues Hae-young to leave Do-kyung for his own good, and go back to Tae-jin where she belongs. She claims that it’s best for everyone, though in truth, she’s just hoping Tae-jin will stop his assault on Do-kyung if he gets her back.

As Mom leaves, the other Hae-young confronts her and tells her to stop. She says that a lesser son would have ditched his mother long ago, but Mom just spits that this is all her fault. Hae-young takes the responsibility, but only half — the other half belongs to Do-kyung’s mother.

Do-kyung defends his mother to Hoon and his team, saying that it’s not her fault they’re losing the studio. He tells them that he found them jobs, but to them, that’s not the point. They stayed because it was him, because they wanted to learn from him even if he was difficult to work with. Hoon wants to start over with a new studio, but Do-kyung says he won’t be able to work for a while.

They don’t see Tae-jin watching them drinking from his car, scoffing when he sees Do-kyung laughing. Do-kyung finally spots him, and sees his vision of Tae-jin trying to run him over.

Just to be creepy, Tae-jin comes in and pays triple their bill, then comes over to pour Do-kyung a drink. He tells them to have a nice evening on his dime, and the boys thank him, unaware that he’s the reason they’re losing their jobs.

Jin-sang grows nervous when he gets home to find Soo-kyung waiting for him, saying that he hasn’t made his decision yet. He promises to give her his decision tomorrow, and she says that no matter what it is, she wants to tell him her decision first, and invites him to sit.

She says that anyone can kiss, but no couple will only sleep together once. They’ve only slept together once, so that means they don’t have a shot of making it. She demurely says that she doesn’t think she could do it again either, and urges him to go back to his place. She’s good, but I’m starting to think she’s playing Jin-sang like a fiddle.

She pushes him out with his luggage, and admits that she saw him smoking under the street light yesterday. She doesn’t want to force him into fatherhood, and reassures him that she’s been planning to raise the baby alone anyway. Jin-sang gives her the saddest puppy dog eyes, but she says that they’ll never be a couple just because of one night’s mistake.

She officially absolves him of responsibility, and actually pushes him away, but he plants his feet and refuses to go. She yells at his back for him to go, now, hurry, but instead Jin-sang starts to cry. He sobs that he’s sorry and walks away, though it looks like each step is killing him.

Soo-kyung encourages him the whole way, refusing to let her own tears fall until he’s gone. The moment he turns the corner, Jin-sang drops his luggage and really breaks down.

Tae-jin arrives at his hotel room to find Hae-young waiting for him. She refuses to go inside with him, but he pushes the issue, and she needs to say something. She reminds him of how he said he couldn’t stand to watch her eat, and says that he gave her a death sentence that day.

She’d wanted to die, and thought about how to kill herself, deciding to make it an accident so that nobody would know she did it on purpose. But then she thought he’d tell everyone the truth about their breakup at her funeral, so she tried her best to stay alive.

She rejects his claim that he did it for her, because she had to even force herself to breathe afterward. Tae-jin says that she would have insisted on waiting, but Hae-young insists that it was her right to decide for herself. He says he didn’t want to pressure her, but she points out that he hurt her badly anyway.

She says that she actually felt relieved when she learned he was in prison, because it meant that she wasn’t undesirable. “Don’t say you’re having your revenge on him because he took away the woman you loved. You never loved me. When I was struggling, he took care of me. I was able to go on because of him. I’m still alive because of him!”

Tae-jin spits that Do-kyung only took care of her out of guilt, but Hae-young already knows she fell in love first. She was the one who begged him to like her back, and she was the one who forgave him for ruining Tae-jin’s business.

Tae-jin scoffs at Hae-young, calling her crazy, and he tells her to leave. But before she goes, she says that he can make Do-kyung bankrupt and get his revenge, but tells Tae-jin to stop hitting him. Tae-jin looks chastened for once.

Do-kyung and the boys are still drinking, and there’s lots of drunk crying going on by this point. Do-kyung just laughs at them and heads out into the rain, buying a couple of umbrellas then waiting outside Hae-young’s building to walk her home.

Hae-young has her taxi drop her off at the rear entrance since Do-kyung thinks she’s working late, and she gets grumpy when she sees that he brought two umbrellas. Do-kyung doesn’t say anything, but he gives his umbrella to an older man who needs one, and comes back to share hers. Hae-young jokes that he just saved himself from being beaten up with an umbrella tonight, ha.

Do-kyung interrupts to ask if he can speak, but it takes him a moment to get the words out. “I love you.” Hae-young stops and stares at him, then she smiles at him. He snuggles her closer and they keep walking, as Hae-young thinks that they finally have their happy ending.

But Do-kyung doesn’t look as happy, as he thinks to himself, “Let me be happy a little bit longer. A little bit longer.”

COMMENTS

This episode brought a lot of character growth, from almost all of its characters. Hae-young and Do-kyung especially impressed me, and for the first time I felt like they could actually come out of this the better for being together. Do-kyung is stepping up and accepting the punishment for what he did to Tae-jin, realizing that whatever Tae-jin does to him, he deserves it. He may not know yet that it wasn’t actually his request that caused Chairman Jang to pull his investment (and no, I don’t believe Jang’s flip-flopping on the subject at all), but the facts are that it was Do-kyung’s intent to ruin Tae-jin. No matter how it actually happened, he still acted to make it happen, and for that he deserves to suffer the same.

Hae-young also showed growth, in the way she reached out to the other Hae-young. I actually think they could be friends eventually, if they both want to give it a shot. It was big of her to recognize that the other Hae-young carrying that letter around for so long was an act of contrition, and how much it had to pain her to return it and admit her jealousy. I don’t think that our Hae-young is glad the other Hae-young was jealous, but I do think that knowing the jealousy went both ways is helping her resentment of so many years cool down.

I don’t really blame Jin-sang for taking a while to decide what to do about Soo-kyung and his baby, to be honest. Being a parent is a huge change, especially for someone who is used to living a carefree life. He’s being offered the chance to turn down the responsibility with no negative consequences, and I can see how that’s a very attractive option for him. Not only am I not condemning him for taking a lot of time to think, I actually respect him more for it — he could have just grabbed the easy option and gotten away scott-free. Instead, he’s really considering what’s right for everyone, giving the decision the appropriate thought it deserves, and not jumping to grab the easy out. It’s easy to say that he’s being immature and wishy-washy, to interpret his hesitation as him being indecisive and unwilling to accept responsibility. But I feel the exact opposite about it — I think he’s being very responsible, by making sure that once he makes a decision, he’s fully committed and ready to accept whatever consequences his decision brings.

On the other hand, I think I’m onto Soo-kyung — she’s not really letting go of Jin-sang, she’s just playing a long game. She keeps playing it so coy, that if they have hope of raising a child together they should kiss. And if they kiss, they should be able to sleep together. She’s not testing them both like she claims, is she? She’s leading Jin-sang gently into a relationship. I think she knows that any direct approach would send Jin-sang screaming into the night, and she knows that the best way to convince him to commit is to sneak up on him sideways. So instead of trying to push him, she’s applying reverse psychology, slowly but surely maneuvering him into a place where he realizes how empty his life will be without her. It’s actually pretty brilliant.

Until recently, I’ve thought the theory that Dr. Park is a figment of Do-kyung’s imagination to be interesting, but I didn’t really think it was true. Now I’m changing my mind, because as I think about it, who else have we seen Dr. Park with? Only a nurse and another doctor, who could also be people Do-kyung’s mind conjured up to lend validity to Dr. Park’s existence. When he went out of his office to find Do-kyung, there wasn’t another soul either on the street or in the restaurant with them. And isn’t it interesting that Dr. Park has the same family name as Do-kyung? I’ve also noticed that in their so-called sessions, Do-kyung rarely talks… Dr. Park “repeats” what Do-kyung supposedly just told him, but we never see Do-kyung telling him any new information. Almost as if he already knows.

And the more I think about it, one thing really stands out to me as inconsistent — for a man as intensely private and unwilling to talk about his problems as Do-kyung, doesn’t he seem like the last person who would seek out therapy? More likely, he would bottle up his worries so much that he actually creates an internal persona to help him “talk” about his problems. And when that persona gets stumped, here comes another one to help him work things out, and it’s interesting that that person just accepted their theories so easily and kept saying that Do-kyung already knew what to do. How would he know, if he’d only just met Do-kyung? Do-kyung is already seeing visions, it’s not that much of a stretch to think that Dr. Park is just a different sort of vision, especially if none of this is real and just something Do-kyung is reliving as he’s dying. The more I think about it, the more it seems possible that the good doctor is just Do-kyung’s way of moving deeper into his own psyche to try to figure out what’s happening, and how he can solve this riddle. Of course, I could just be full of it, but the more I think about it, the more I think the show is almost certainly Fight Clubbing us.

 
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SUCH A KILL-TIME DRAMA!! *Puke*

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What's this rubbish you wrote? If you have nothing to say then don't comment.
Thanks Lollypip. This was my fav episode in a while. That speech OHY gave TaeJin at the end was incredible.

SHJ is killing this role! She deserves all the accolades

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OK, I seem to have missed or forgotten a scene and it might be the very reason this drama is aggravating me.... Has Do Kyung officially apologized to TaeJin? Not any of the 'Just hit me' crap... Like, 'I did wrong. I am sorry' sincere apology kind of thing.
Or else... OHY's speech is still crap. Because if he has not officially apologized to TJ, and has only apologized to her, she has no right to tell TJ not to hit him. He deserves everything TJ dishes out... including as many punches as he likes.
We know Dk has nothing to do with TJ's downfall, but they don't. So.... yeah.

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Do Kyung said himself he won't feel sorry for 'stealing' Oh Hae Young and ruin their marriage. But he did apologies for ruining his business. That's why he let Tae Jin punch him several times.

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He has literally said the words sorry and gotten on his knees about the business. On the topic of OHY he has said he can't feel sorry not that he wishes he wasn't.

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HTJ too didn't apologise to OHY the first time he met her after being released from the prison, wasn't it?
Seems like to some people PDK could never redeemed himself.
PDK is hated when he's guilty, hated when he's innocent, hated when he's being ruined.
The guy just couldn't catch a break, huh?

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There is always a moment of weakness in everybody's life where they tend to make wrong decisions. I Think he has redeemed enough for mistakes... K dramas is full of leads who Jerks from start and get a free pass just because they are in love with the girl.. PDK is million times better than all those flashy cheabol Jerks..

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PDK hasn't properly apologized to Tae-Jin, I am not sorry about Oh Hae Young but sorry about your business does not count as sincere to me. You've got to say the right thing but PDK isn't particularly well with words so this isn't really out of character for him. If he wasn't a drama character, in reality he would be one very exhausting person to deal with and somebody vary annoying. Having said that, the fact that the writers of the show has decided to make Tae Jin a text-book Korean drama baddie out of nowhere is still not acceptable to me. They took the easy way out because we've run out of actual conflicts by now. Big disappointment for me there.

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@Gem I respectfully agree. Seeing how DK let himself get hurt by TJ countless times can't be more sincere. And admitting his mistakes and apologizing for them. Admitting he doesn't plan on leaving OHY is the most honest to himself and to TJ he can be. It's TJ who's so emotionally deranged that he can't accept defeat. I do agree that the drama doesn't do TJ any justice. He's turned into this pathetic and forgettable character.

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Like I said, what PDK did with respect to Tae Jin, it is true to him as a character but I have hard time accepting it on a personal level. Maybe, its because of the actor playing Tae-Jin, When I look at him, I see wasted opportunity for the writers to actually use his skills as an actor and properly give him a compelling story line. Even people who mistake can be endearing despite their mistakes and shortcomings is the motto for this show yet he has turned out to be so typical. It makes me mad. Look at, PDK, SK, PH, even out two Oh Hae Young, all flawed but more or less you can connect to them. It makes me sad for him.

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He already did. Didn't Tae-jin punch him a lot especially when he learned that it was a mistake? And frankly speaking, it's more pathetic to repeatedly say "sorry" to a person given this circumstance. His way of owning up to that mistake is to allow Tae-jin to take out his anger as much as he would like to. Because, clearly, Tae-jin is angry and his way of expressing it is to lash out to the person who caused the downhill of everything in his life.

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It's just that you don't understand, darling. Don't feel bad, just stick on something simpler...

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I can understand this drama not being someone's cup of tea, but I don't see where you're coming from with calling it a "kill-time drama". The discussions in this thread have been much more interesting and deep than most drama discussions I've seen. Viewers are obviously not using this drama to kill time. We're actually THINKING about it. You know, using our brains.

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Exactly!! I swear this drama makes us notice every little details of the settings, the story and even the background sound like every little detail is so important that led us here to discuss every possible outcome. And I still wondering when is the Jeju trip with the same director of the barley field situation? The director told him the trip would be in a week or a month(i can't rmb when) but up until now it never happens?? Anybody??? Sorry kinda nobody cares-jeju trip but I really want to know is it the writer-nim's mistake that she forgotten about the trip herself?? trolol

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SO CLOSE TO FIRST FOR ONCE!

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Lollypip spot on with the analysis. For so long in this drama, I've really wanted OHY to end up single at the end and get her life together. I love her as a character, can understand her hard rebound, but there's something really frightening about her co-dependency.

Also, I totally agree PSK is leading Jinsang into a relationship. One of the things i enjoy most about this drama is how the women tend to wear the britches here. OHY, OHY's Mother, SooKyung, An-Na, Heeran, even the other OHY are all strong women who are fairly in control of their own lives and take what they want out of them. Props on that.

On the other hand, then men are monumentally stupid and/or whipped. Which makes this a complete turnabout from the usual kdrama fare where the woman waits around until the male lead decides he wants to her.

Also, I've been convinced until this week that the Therapist is a figment of his imagination, but honestly thought the second doctor's appearance dashed that. Lollypip raises an interesting argument here that the other therapist could also be a figment. I suppose this is like having an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other?

Other thoughts:
1. Chairman Jang really likes to manipulate everyone around him, doesn't he?
2. Clearly he's enjoying messing with PDK and his mother to put them in place for the embarrassing show a few episodes back...
3. How ridiculous is PDK, knowing his mom's financial "habits" that he's exposed his business to her? The only way they could repo that business is if she had the capability to put it up as collateral. How has he not structured the company so she's not a co-owner? With having Jinsang as his BFF, that's also malpractice by his lawyer. /lawyering
4. Can we stop the Heeran/Hoon/Anna plot now?

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Who knows what really happened with the loan shark situation. Apparently in Korea loan sharks can get away with lots of unethical behavior. Park bo-gum had to file for bankruptcy because his dad defaulted on a loan. Here a quote from the The Chosun regarding the trial.
"In court Park argued that he had no obligation to repay the debt since he was under age at the time it was taken out and completely unaware that his father had made him a guarantor," said the reporter for The Chosun Ilbo.

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I'm honestly not sure what the hell is wrong with Jang and why TJ is still clueless about his business partner (still don't know his name) being a complete idiot.

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I've been finding it rather interesting that the new doc turned up right around the time Do-kyung gained his new-found inner clarity. He could very well represent DK's more assured self guiding him on his path.

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I like the analysis but hope it's not true. you know that will make DK insane.. Please NO

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oh my gooood. would it be a spin-off "It's Okay, It's Hae Young" and we'll have cctv scenes and everyone be cryinnnnn. let's guess who does not exist.

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My theory is the accident already happened and he's just reliving everything while in a coma. So it's slightly excusable that he's talking to imaginary doctors while his brain is cleaning up.

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I'm a little nervous about what him being in a coma could mean for him. Does this mean he did not change his future and he's in a coma from the 'original' accident, thinking about how he wished he changed his fate to a happier one?

I'm very very curious as to what that theory will mean for the future of our leads. Tbh, if that's the case, I would have hoped they wound have gotten to that reveal sooner so that we could have the appropriate time to explore reality.

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I refused to believe that the doctor was a sort of mental projection/figment of imagination by DK until I noticed that the scenes with the new doctor had this greenish, dreamlike quality to them, not too unlike DK's visions (e.g. Jinsang asking him how it felt like to have be using his dad's workroom)

But I'm curious as to how the writers will explain that :/ SO CONFUSED

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In my opinion this greenish scenery is just the director's choice of using the scenery. His sessions before always had that *enlightment*-kind of atmosphere. It feels like the director is just making an artistic connection between the story and the places they are. He's doing really well, and the drama is really pretty.

I sometimes feel like we overthink and overanalyse, sorry to say that.

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I may be wrong, but wasn't he referred to that guy by Jin Sang?

I think in story terms both therapists are manifestations of the character's struggles without the monologuing. Writers do that a lot, though I personally dislike it because I think there are neater ways of doing it.

Also they serve as a way to share info about the magic system without info dumping, though technically the majority of the explanations are all taken from Mugyo/Muism.

The explanation of how time works, is Muism. A lot of the magic system itself and attitude towards death also reads Muism. I've noticed a trend lately with dramas trying to make the homegrown religion more acceptable rather than other. I don't blame my fellow Koreans either.

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Thank you for your comments on Mugyo/Muism. Now DK's visions, auditory hallucinations, and episodes of physical pain make sense. I appreciate your sharing insights into Korean culture and spirituality... which is why I come to DramaBeans in the first place.

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In Christian thought, time is a single line. Beginning, middle, end.

In Mugyo, the belief is that time is this squishy thing that exists all around and is malleable in the physical world, and after 400 CE (with the importation of Buddhism) can also be circular. There is a soul that exists outside of the physical world and wants to escape to the timelessness, but gets trapped by another soul into the physical realm. In this way, time and physical states are liminal.

In Christian thought Death is evil and other and you don't want to be around it.

In Mugyo it is inevitable and one of your souls wants to return to the timelessness, but is trapped in the physical world. The danger of death is only if your physical soul is too bound to the physical world. That's when a Mudang/Baksu has to do a ceremony to make sure the soul passes without grief (like in Oh my Ghostess).

Death is the re-separation of these souls from each other, where the physical soul goes to the afterlife, and the other soul goes into the timelessness again.

So the whole acceptance of death, and the inevitable of changing, smells like Mugyo to me. The visions are roughly what are described by Mudang as premonitions too--that's where your souls gets separated so one can travel through time and space. The explanations by the psychiatrists also clinched it.

BTW, this is a super rough explanation. So look it up before repeating it.

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@2.1.5.1.1 Kim Yoonmi June 24th, 2016 at 8:54 AM

Thanks ever so much -- I'm glad I looked back here!

Very interesting about time concepts, and the distinctions made in Mugyo vs. Buddhism.

Two souls sounds like soul and spirit in Christianity (one of them being the elemental that creates and mantains the physical body.

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At this point, I am solely here for Jin Sang and Soo Kyung! I AM GOING DOWN WITH THIS SHIP! TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!

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I love their story.
But I wish noonim stay independent and cool.

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Oh she will! No doubt about it. Her kid will kick ass too.

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I find it so funny that the first 3 posts all use capital letters

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Me three!

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I'm in as well,really want to see how their story will conclude...True i really hope the writer won't make them be together in the end just because of guilt from his part...That is a NO-NO...He can very well recognize the child and even be in his life if they come both in terms in the long run but i wouldn't want to see a forced relationship as selling it to us...Hope it will be something credible,well till the baby is born is still time and even after,so an open ending for them is well recived as well...

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I'd like for them to agree to raise the baby together as friends because right now I feel like both of them are mourning the loss of that relationship more than anything. I think I could get behind a romantic relationship unfolding between them, but I'd like for him to fall for her slowly over time.

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This drama had seriously revived the addict in me...to me this episode was so much better than the last few which seemed so stretched and filler like..anyway hoping for a great last week. You shall be missed oh hae young:*)

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I agree. I don't think they should have extended the episodes. I've enjoyed the drama but it rarely works out when the network gets greedy for ratings and extends the series. Filler is what you get.

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Yeah, agree. The extension led to filler - totally. But oh well, I still love this drama.

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People are trying so hard to bring OHYA down now that they're popular ㅋㅋㅋ

Anyway thank you for recaps LollyPip-nim.. and I quoted your comments that caught my attention.

"Until recently, I’ve thought the theory that Dr. Park is a figment of Do-kyung’s imagination to be interesting, but I didn’t really think it was true. Now I’m changing my mind, because as I think about it, who else have we seen Dr. Park with? Only a nurse and another doctor, who could also be people Do-kyung’s mind conjured up to lend validity to Dr. Park’s existence."

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Yeap, some people are. What a kill-joy. OHYA at its worst equals to some/most dramas at their best IMO.

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I'm sorry but i'm going to disagree with you on JS and SK.

She is not playing coy or trying to lead him gently into a relationship or trying reverse psychology. Being a single mom in an asian country is frowned upon. She gave it a shot and then backed off. She has decided to raise the child alone and away from her country and family.

JS on the other hand is being an ass. I get that you need time to process it all. But he is not a 17 year old who found out that his teenage girlfriend is pregnant. He is in his mid 30s. Even if he doesn't want to marry SK, can he not assure her that its his child also, he will be there for the child. She won't have to go through it alone.

If he was younger i MIGHT have understood. Even then, the girl is the one who is left with difficult choices. A guy can just walk away. A girl who wants to walk away will have to go through abortion or adoption. Neither is an easy choice - emotionally or culturally.

I have zero sympathy for grown men who act like little boys.

Phew! Rant over. JS made me so mad in this episode

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Man, this comment is seriously everything I am thinking about JS and SK! Two GROWN adults made a mistake that lead to a baby. They BOTH need to take responsibility. I don't get why it has to be the two extremes. Get married or raise the baby alone. Why can't these two adults raise a child together without it being so complicated? Clearly he wants to take responsibility but he doesn't want to marry SK and there is nothing wrong with that. Marrying because you have a baby together is not a good enough reason to get married, IMO.

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Because

1: dramaland
2: korea

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Hha! I wish people will stop thinking hard and take it easy because is just drama xD

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I wish people would quit acting like Drama characters are role models for life. (Yeah, yeah. I know sometimes a characters difficult choice or courage in the face of trial might help us develop similar attributes) but too often a character's choice is just the instance of how ONE BEING acts in a certain situation. I don't believe K-Dramas are intended to be an instruction manual for "this is what people should do if they have an unprotected, one-night stand and a pregnancy results."
The possibilities for choices are numberless.
Allow the characters to make choices based on their (written in) reality. And realize the show's writer isn't pleading with you to make the same decisions IF IT HAPPENS TO YOU.

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@Wag_a_Muffin

Wow! just relax mate .. we are all commenting and discussing about a drama ... Thats half the fun of watching a drama live and then dissecting it to pieces ... going by your reasoning, the comment section would stand at zero since we would just passively watch whats being shown without having an opinion ... And who is using kdramas as instruction manuals for life ? No one i know of ..

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It's because I don't think Soo-kyung could handle seeing Jin-sang there raising the child together with her without him loving her. It's not just the baby that's in this context. It's also Soo-kyung's feelings.

Soo-kyung has feelings for Jin-sang, and to see him around, without any feelings for her, does nothing good for her.

She might also be thinking what kind of life it would be for her child to know that the child's parents are almost like brother-sister, and that raising the child alone would somehow be better.

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Totally agree. Coming from an asian country, I can understand how it is difficult for SK but I just don't understand why the option is only mariage or SK takes responsibility alone. They can both be parents without mariage even in my country it would be possible (note only in big cities though).

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My thoughts exactly. I understand it's a cultural thing and a way of increasing the drama, but it bothers me anyway.

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You must not have watched The Greatest Marriage. Single motherhood out of wedlock is nearly anathema in Korea. She really is going to have to move to a Western country.

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This. She has the financial means to move to another country. While single mothers can and do raise children within Korea, most of the time the system is against them.

It's not only the pain of seeing someone she likes in that position, but it's also that single parenthood without marriage is still frowned upon in Korea and neither she nor Jin Sang will be free if she sticks around to get on with life.

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I think it can be both, actually.

Soo Kyung's had more time to process this, and on top of that she actually remembers it happening. She's been able to think without others intruding and picking the people to confide in. I think she's both being realistic and leaving enough of a door open for Ji Sung to come back. She's not getting angry at him, she's not cursing him out, she's just making the choice very clear and is obviously prepared to handle the outcome.

Meanwhile Ji Sung found out about this days ago, in front of Hoon and Do Kyung. Hoon in particular has been hounding him, Soo Kyung is waiting for his answer, and I think he's going a bit nuts. It doesn't help that he truly remembers NOTHING, and on top of that he's got to be racking his brains to remember all of the interactions and conversations he's been having with Soo Kyung that suddenly relate directly to him.

I think he's going to come around, but I also appreciate that the drama is creating a situation where it would be okay if he DIDN'T come round. But it's wholly unreasonable to expect Ji Sung to be handling this with the same equilibrium that Soo Kyung is - his circumstances are vastly different, he's still in the total shock phase and isn't getting any of the processing solitude Soo Kyung had.

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yup .. i agree with you

with soo kyung know him too well that he is close in on going nuts
with her pushing out from the house could at least help him thinking everything throughly and rationally

lets be real jinsang are not going anywhere, not when his bestfriend is still around\
even if they are not meant to be together, soo kyung can survive the whole ordeal

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@miranda .... i am not asking him to process this with the same equilibrium SK has ... but is some maturity too much to ask ?

Whats the point of growing older if you still react like an adolescent ? ... No matter how screwed up you think your life is going to get, the woman is always in the worse position in this situation ...

Its like JS told DK - 'i love you is always the right thing to say'

... in the same way 'you are not going to go through this alone. i'm here. we will figure it out together' - is always the right thing to say in such a situation

Just a little assurance, thats all.

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Unfortunately it's not atypical to respond this way. The idea of being a father practically destroys the identity that JS has built for himself. It's as if he's having his whole life stripped from him and then being asked to make rational choices about something which he has no real control over.

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I find it quite reassuring that even when the wind's completely knocked out of him, Jin Sang isn't reacting impulsively. He didn't run, he hasn't made any requests of Soo Kyung, he's trying to balance honesty with he fact of the kid's existence.

He keeps saying "but it's my baby" at moments when Soo Kyung is closest to letting him off the hook. That doesn't strike me as a man looking for escape, that makes me think he's completely torn between being a proper father for the baby and being Soo Kyung's husband, which in his mind are the same thing. He might just need time to untangle those.

It must be the worst feeling in the world, to know that something like this happened and not being able to remember it at all.

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@bipps99, I don't completely agree about the woman always being in the worse position in this situation. Right now they both have choices to make, but Soo Kyung's choices include not having the baby at all. Jin Sang (who keeps autocorrecting to Ji Sung when I type, which is spooky) doesn't have control over that choice, his choice skips from the choice to have sex (which he's blacked out) directly to the choice about how involved he's going to be in a baby's life.

And to be fair to Jin Sang, he's EXTREMELY torn up about this. He was willing to pitch in as a family member even when the kid wasn't his - and right now his responses seem to be less freakout about being a father and losing his horndog freedom and more total apprehension about getting married to someone he doesn't love.

Frankly, I feel terrible for Jin Sang. The man carried packs of condoms around with him, for a blackout drunk he was actually trying to avoid exactly this. He can't remember it happening but he's never denied it. He didn't ask Soo Kyung to get an abortion, and was very careful of that topic even in the hospital early on. And he's not running a mile, he's agonizing about possibly getting married to the mother of his child when he doesn't love her - this is a good struggle to have!

Soo Kyung is setting a lot of the rules here and he's trying to stay afloat. I'd be okay with giving him the same amount of standalone decision time that she's had before we judge him - so far he's been behaving in a shellshocked manner, but there are many terrible things he could have said or done that he hasn't done.

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wow.. you completely summarize what i want to tell to this people that kept thinking jinsang is a total scumbag when he is only unable to process everything without getting crazy himself

let the man thing throughly, this is not only about himself, everyone is involve in this mess, the baby, the baby's mother and he cannot just jump into "yeah, lets get married"

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I agree that women always get the short end of the stick on this one. women always have the right not to have a baby, but to what extent is that choice empowering? having the baby will put an end to her career, which she has built for herself (cc: Oshi). not having the baby, on the other hand, will force her to face certain health consequences and social stigmas that will inevitably scar her throughout her entire life. (ugh how I hate the latter)

you see, JS may not have much say on that matter, but can it affect his life more than it can affect SK?

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@anabear, there are no health consequences related to having an abortion, unless you're talking about it in comparison to not having any medical procedure at all. Complications are vanishingly rare, and any health consequences are minimal compared to the impact of childbirth.

Social stigmas are relevant, but in Soo Kyung's situation she's not exactly a model citizen anyway. I don't think she's someone who would bend to pressure either way - in her decision, or in any societal backlash afterwards. The psychological scarring cited related to abortions have much more to do with whatever your culture/family have done to categorize the procedure in your head than any actual cause-effect of the medical procedure.

Soo Kyung strikes me as someone who won't be dishonest with herself, and as someone who makes decisions with conviction. She's decided to have the baby. But that is a decision that is totally out of Jin Sang's hands (and rightfully so), and it's worth acknowledging that it's a major decision point that men can't participate in.

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@Ely, it really depends on the woman involved. It's perfectly possible for two women to have the same procedure and have polar opposite reactions: one views it as akin to getting her wisdom teeth out and the other thinks about it for the rest of her life. It's why it's so important that that decision be down to one person and one person alone - you know best what's in your own head and heart.

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I agree. JS hasn't had time for the dust to settle, let alone methodically evaluate his options like any good lawyer.

And now his hyung's business is being stolen out from under him, so more worries. -- Although it was lovely, when he apologized to DK for getting him entangled in the revenge plot, that DK told him he would never have met OHY if they hadn't destroyed TJ's business. Talk about a cockeyed optimist...

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I agree with [email protected] SK is not being coy. She is being the reasonable adult in this situation. She like JS because that is her MO. She has only loved the 2 1/2 men she has slept with haha. For being cool and independent I don't get why she doesn't realize that sex does not mean love but all the characters are flawed in this drama so I just go with it. I am not Korean so I am guessing about the culture with this drama that SK chooses to leave the country because society will be negative about her situation. I have no doubt that SK would tear anyone down that treated her or her child disrespectfully but just like OHY's mom I believe her heart would break if her child was hurt by it. I don't think JS is a douchebag either. I think he desperately wants to be physically attracted to her but she is like a sister to him. He would take care of the baby. He admitted that prior to him knowing he was the father. He didn't want her to leave. I know he still would but that might not mean the same thing as it does in my culture. They both don't even remember that they slept together. SK woke up and figured it out. So in my country if JS states he will take care of the baby that is the noble thing to do but maybe in Korean society it looks like the sleazy thing to do. I'm just guessing cuz again this is not my culture but at the end of the day I would not want a man who is with me because he is forced to be only because of society standards. He would not love you the way you want to be loved so why not love yourself and face the truth like SK did? Too bad they don't get to have visions but if something happens later naturally then great but forcing it now would end in disaster.

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(Your name distracts me...? Are you me? Are you from my future?)

But back to topic, I agree with you. I think SK isn't trying actively to get JS to stay. She is just faced with a difficult situation: about to have a baby with a dad who doesn't love her. She made decisions based on that.

The way I read SK is she is a lonely soul. She acts strong but when she's drunk, you can see her other desires. She wants to be cherished and protected too (see her previous campaign to be escorted by ajummas). She's like the prickly porcupine-heart girl with a marshmallow center. And I think the strong side of her would rather raise the baby alone because the soft side of her cannot bear to force a guy who doesn't love her to marry her.

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Oh Mary I'm in tears laughing still at your first line! Didn't know what was going on until I scrolled back up, and then down and it's like "bahahahaha". The comments on DB are so great lately!

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I've been interrogating her in previous comments but she won't admit anything!

Must be Rule #265 in the Time Traveler's Guidebook.

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@mary

I admit, it's really funny to continue to see you responding to her posts...and then she never answers! Mysterious. Even your opinions are similar...

I completely agree with you guys too, btw! Everything you said about the SK/JS situation is spot-on. And that analysis of Soo-kyung! That describes exactly how I feel about her.

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What she said in the drama is true--if she sticks around, he can't live the carefree life he likes to lead. He's a womanizer and his fatal flaw brought him down.

It's not that taking responsibility is bad in Korea. It's that she's trying to spare him because if they are around, he gets no dates, and she won't have the freedom she needs either because she will be judged for not getting married. She explicitly stated this three or four times already. It might not seem like a strong reason on the front, but as the drama illustrated both characters know each other well enough to make it a strong reason, which happens in relationships (general).

'cause if it weren't the noble thing, then her brothers wouldn't be up in arms for him ruining her life and calling him brother-in-law.

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Not to sound like a bitch...
and I'm not trying to say that anyone who doesn't like the drama is wrong or anything

But for those who have already make it clear that they're not liking the show for like—the past 3 recaps...

Why are y'all still here?

Cause when all you have to add is "this show sucks," you're kinda just being a buzzkill.

I'm not against dissenting opinions, but try to contribute to the conversation at least.

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... i don't see a lot of people who hate the show here. Mostly it is who loved the show to bits, and are now disappointed. As for why are they still here - when you have spent so much time on a show you want to watch it till the end, or maybe you want to watch it for one character or any other hundred reasons .... If people spend time showering praise on a show, they also have the right to criticize when disappointed

... On a separate note, i have watched shows that i hated from episode 1 ... cough*heirs*cough .... its like a train wreck you can't look away from ...

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I watched Heirs for half episode, and decided that it's a drama I won't like. I dropped Boys over Flowers the same way, although I did watch the taiwanese version.

I dont understand why people dislike or feel dissapointed in OHYA. In my point of view, OHYA has larger likeable (and relateable) trajectory than say, Yong Pal, for instance (dont be mistaken though. I love Yong Pal. I really do. I'm only saying that OHYA does better job, story-wise). Characters in OHYA show personality growth in an amazing, though subtle, ways. I really like that.

The only character that is lacking of personality growth and doesn't seem to go anywhere up to this point is Do Kyung's mother. It's too bad, because she seem to have lived miserably through the years (failed movies, several marriages, and still going from debt to debt...). Is there any chance for her to change within the two remaining episodes?

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I wish she would, but she is clearly a narcissist. Those people rarely change and if they do it is usually just superficial. She's got a personality disorder and if you google it they are very difficult to treat because these people keep rewriting history in their minds to always present themselves as faultless and deserving. They are truly broken and have very fragile egos and simply are unable to face themselves. So even though every time she shows up on screen I want to throw a shoe at her, and can't wait for the scene to be over, I have to give it to the show: they really know how the flawed characters they've created can evolve--or are unable to. In this case I am afraid we'll have to put up with her and the pain she inflicts on others until the bitter end.

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I think the best part about this drama is that I've criticized almost all the characters at least once, none of them are perfect but flawed. Nobody outright ever said they hate the drama, its mostly past 3 episodes weren't strong enough like the first ones and the intensity fizzled out a bit, nothing wrong there. Having spending weeks watching this show, I think its wrong to abandon ship so close to home. Lets see how it fares till the end.

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I don't hate it, I'm merely disappointed by it. I've invested my time watching this drama and when I end up feeling betrayed, I just want to speak up. But I never once said negative things about the drama.

Oh Hae-young Again is still an enjoyable drama, but it's no longer make me excited for the upcoming episode, and whether Hae-young and Do-kyung ended up together, I just don't really give it a damn anymore. I'm that disappointed.

But I'll hang on until the end, because why not? There are only 2 episodes left anyway.

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I agree that the "this show sucks" comments are pretty pointless, but I think thoughtful criticism should always be welcome, especially here where people take the time to discuss each episode in detail. It's fun to respond to both similar and different perspectives.

Personally, I have a love-hate relationship with OHYA. I'm not a big fan of shows about average to below-average heroines with inferiority complexes, particularly if their rivals are much more accomplished in every respect. I also have trouble relating to girls who are all about their boyfriends and not much else (to the point where they talk about dying over a bad breakup). The feminist in me recoils. So why watch this? It has been pretty funny in parts, and I can actually sympathize with the main girl up to a point. I'm also glad that the plot has forced main OHY to grow up a bit. After all, I stuck around to see scenes like the one between the two Hae Youngs this week. Also, OHYA has a spontaneous wackiness that I find incredibly refreshing.

Unfortunately, some of the K-drama conventions at this series' core still bug me. While I appreciate that the romantic entanglements are not your typical chaste affairs, I still find them a little unnatural. Must PDK and OHY communicate in baby voices? For some reason, their conversations about love just don't ring true for me. Also, why must regular OHY be so shallow? Sometimes I get the impression she would sell her soul for a bouquet of roses from an attractive guy and then force her best friend with allergies to sniff them. While I prefer the lawyer-sister couple, they have their problems, too. Must Soo Kyung demand physical intimacy from Jin Sang when he is actually willing to be a responsible father? I loved their bizarre camaraderie before, but their reactions to her pregnancy strike me as more peculiar than poignant. I'm not sure the chemistry is there. As someone else mentioned, I'm not a big fan of Tae Jin's impending villainy either. I liked the idea of being able to relate to him as much as I relate to OHY, if not more. Finally, do we have to waste so much time on supernatural visions and quack doctors explaining their meaning as if their theories are reasonable and scientific? I feel like that aspect of the show really slows down the pace and is not particularly developed.

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Some of what you said are Korean conventions that probably need context to understand.

"Must PDK and OHY communicate in baby voices?"

Aegyo is normal in Korean relationships... People in the US, UK, CA, NZ, AU also do it, but it's not named and pronounced and might be easier to spot in other locations.

"For some reason, their conversations about love just don’t ring true for me."
I think it goes to the flawed characters and also is set around the general theme that love manifests in different ways that might not be understandable to people outside. So-called Pretty OHY needed a different wavelength of love, but Lead OHY loves the same way romantically that DK does.

Must Soo Kyung demand physical intimacy from Jin Sang when he is actually willing to be a responsible father? I loved their bizarre camaraderie before, but their reactions to her pregnancy strike me as more peculiar than poignant. I’m not sure the chemistry is there.

I think that's the point. The chemistry isn't there. And her demand of physical intimacy was a way to spare him a painful life and marriage. It's under dialogue.

The supernatural visions are actually loosely based on Mugyo, a Korean native religion and explaining those things gives that feeling of explaining the magic system and also normalizing Mugyo as a point of pride. A lot of Korean dramas have been doing that lately.

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Great (and enlightening) post, Kim Yoonmi. I am aware of some of the cultural elements you mentioned, though I try not to assume Korean television accurately reflects South Korean mentalities, since U.S. television is often not true to life.

I am familiar with Aegyo, but I guess I thought it was more common among younger girls and K-pop stars. Regardless, my negative reaction to behavior that is intentionally phony doesn't really change upon knowing it is ubiquitous in a particular country. You may be getting to the heart of why I object to a number of female characters on Korean television, though. Thankfully, there are also quite a few I like. It's worth mentioning, too, that regular OHY is the only character in OHYA whose Aegyo really bothers me. To me, I guess it represents her tendency to prioritize the superficial trappings of being a couple, when I think DK and OHY are supposed to represent something more substantial and enduring (or so the level of angst and melodrama would suggest).

Perhaps my criticism of Soo Kyung is similar. She makes herself miserable over not having this ideal, passionate relationship and is willing to throw away someone who is like a family member. Why? Because she slept with him once and is now hopelessly attracted to him? I understand society imposes obstacles, but I don't think her options are quite as inflexible as she is making them, so her misery seems a little self-indulgent.

Finally, I was not familiar with the concept of Mugyo, so thank you for teaching me something new!

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Oh, I forgot to explain my chemistry comment. I'm not sure the show has actually given up on a romantic relationship between Soo Kyung and Jin Sang. I don't think fans have, and I guess that's why I questioned their chemistry. I think they could work together as friends and parents, but I'm concerned the show could still try to create some future romance despite Soo Kyung's convincing arguments nothing of the sort is possible between them.

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To me, it goes a little deeper than she slept with him once... it's more like when you know that person so well, what might seem superficial on the outside for reasons of doing something becomes more meaningful in the relationship. Him smoking shows that she knows that well.

What seems superficial in their relationship, shows that she has a really deep understanding of him. She outright stated the reason she's doing it, isn't because of the sex, or really because they can't be physically intimate, but knowing that staying with her and the baby would crush him and his soul. She's stated several times that she knows what kind of person he is. She's releasing him of the responsibility so that his soul doesn't get crushed because she knows he's not there yet, even if she is. She doesn't want to trap him and watch who he is get eaten away.

Haven't you ever known someone really well and then you relate a story about them and you and then people tell you that it must mean you hate each other or that the actions you took were superficial and mean? But the only reason you could take that action was because you knew that person inside and out, so what seemed superficial to everyone else was actually the best action and a way to cement your relationship. SK and JS's relationship highlights this really well. And they keep hitting on it too. She seems super mean to him in the first few episodes, but it's only because she knows him to his core and he knows her well enough that they can have that sort of relationship.

This is the only story reason that makes sense to me. Because that would also explain the lack of the middle of the road approach too. She wants to let him be free to be who he is. So all of those flat reasons, I think hit him in the last scene where he's crying. It's a case of he knows that she knows she's lying.

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"Also, why must regular OHY be so shallow? Sometimes I get the impression she would sell her soul for a bouquet of roses from an attractive guy and then force her best friend with allergies to sniff them."--UrsulaX

This comment both rings painfully true and is wickedly funny--- +1,000!

I don't know how to react to a heroine who is both this shallow AND over-reacts so bizarrely, destructively, and extremely on the other hand, except with disappointment. It all speaks to extreme self-centeredness on the part of OHY. This does seem like the kind of "problem teenager" behavior that causes parents to tear their hair out: frustrating but believable in a teenager, just narcissistic and crazy in an adult.

Writers, please redeem her--there's not much time in the show left!

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Drama gods, please put Do Kyung's mother in the same room as Duk Yi, please. Never have I wished violence on someone so fervently.

That moment when Do Kyung said "I love you" and the world went quiet--as it does. Really lovely

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..."and the world went quiet–as it does."

I loved it. So beautiful.

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Same! When dk's mom was hitting the other ohy, my only thought was wait til you meet your match with our ohy's mom!

Eric is love! And that scene was lovely too!

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Do-kyung's mom's head-smacking using her fancy bag has absolutely nothing on OHY's mom's head-smacking using her strong, fierce hand.

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or that frying pan of hers!

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Um. So who wants to talk about the graffiti on the wall during that lovely ending scene?

It says "This is not real".

I can't think filming at that location was a coincidence, and yet, it wasn't all that visible in the scene. But they purposefully put the "Wait More" music video on the wall (also trippy) to call attention to it AND got the words captured all together in one shot! Dammit. They're barely visible, but it's enough to freak me out.

Oh dear...just what do they have planned?

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I was gonna mention this but, Chandler, you beat me to it! :D

(for those that haven't seen bit.ly/28R637Y)

From what I've heard the graffiti has been there for a couple of years, so it wasn't put there for the drama.

But that also raises the question...if it wasn't meant to be seen, why not film five feet down the road instead?

I love the possibility of Easter eggs, so even if the meaning could be scary, it excites me!

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Nooooo Chandler! Lets just hope it's one of those moments where the drama thought it was cool to have some English words strung together...

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lol....hahahahahaha...
sometimes i swear this is what happens but for this show i can't be certain

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Okay, I just re-watched that last scene. Never would've spotted the writing on the wall (ha) without you. I'm now completely scaaared. But hey, this is a romantic COMEDY.

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I've kinda felt like the rom com label hasn't been entirely apt for the most of the show though. I feel like "romance" is sometimes something that's slapped onto dramas to make them more marketable.

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I know...just trying to bend the drama universe to my will. No broken hearts--starting with my own--is what I'm hoping for.

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im gonna laugh if they filmed there just to troll the audience tbh. i wouldnt put it past them. and i rather it be that than some convoluted sci fi fight club esque pseudo clever THIS IS ALL A DREAM type nonsense. we'll see i guess. for now i will enjoy the ride.

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I was thinking this too. I would love this show forever if they were just trolling, ROFL!! We can only hope...

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I'm pretty sure it was a production mistake/troll thing. Holy hell it is fun though...

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well, people at OHYA soompi forum actually came out with lots of interesting speculation/theories regarding the 'This Is Not Real' graffiti...

And among those theories, there is one theory that grab my interest. One fellow soompier speculated that all these while the scenes we are seeing is part of remade movie. Like the things we see is actually someone's memory and they end up turning it into a movie...

idk. one thing for sure, all of us will have mental breakdown if this actually happen =.=

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there is this video from soompi which killed it! I would love to see this kind of drama for once...

so if Oh Hae Young again would be a thriller:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbnszXzzq8

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That's so cool. O____O

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Chincha DAEBAk! gave me enough chills..eric needs to be in a thriller man! thanks for sharing

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I'm sure there are enough of us frazzled Over The Hill OHYA Beanies to qualify for a group rate at Dr. Yoda's Mind Game Palace. ;-)

Aside to Chandler: Saw your "Grandfather's Clock" note in ep. 15 comments, and left you one. ;-)

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I saw your comment! I'm also so grateful to Lollypip and all the beanies here. It's so amazing to see others thinking as deeply about this drama as we do. Whenever this sort of deep, introspective discussion happens, it enhances the drama-watching experience for everyone. But it's not often that you are able to find a drama that cultivates this kind of energy its recaps. I truly feel blessed :)

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energy IN its recaps*

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Oh dear, really?
I trust your keen eyes. I have to rewatch it and pay more attention to what you've highlighted here. What is their plan indeed. Another twist to throw us down back to the real world where it's not as flowery and dreamy as the drama.

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I refuse to even consider the crazy theories in my head. Stop making this sad for me. He said he loved her dammit!

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Hahaha, I know. I only wanted to think about his 'I love you' before soompiers ruined it for me!

For a while, actually, I've been wondering about when Do-kyung would say these words to Hae-young. Even though he wasn't ready a few episodes ago, we know from the emphasis on those words at the end of episode 12 that they were always meant to be said to her in this timeline.

I always thought that a big reason why he didn't run to her and say those words right away is because he recognized that, though he loved her, he hadn't given her enough of it yet. As in, really made her feel it through his actions. As Hae-young said, love isn't about giving the other wounds. Though he had helped her to heal some wounds, he also caused some of his own. I really like that Do-kyung waited to say the words after he endeavored to give her enough happiness to help her start healing from any wounds he may have caused her. This is also why I do think the lovey-dovey filler has its place in these last few episodes.

More than anything, I adore that he said he loved her on the day he was ruined. Quite a contrast to the words she heard from Tae-jin, right? :)

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The contrast is the reason the moment is so well shot by the director. It's the simplest words that are the most difficult to say. His "I love you" has more meaning packed into it then anything else he's said.

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"More than anything, I adore that he said he loved her on the day he was ruined. Quite a contrast to the words she heard from Tae-jin, right? "--Chandler

Ooh, good call. PDK is moving toward redemption here in my mind, in learning from both his and HTJ's mistakes. I love it when a character can learn and grow.

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Chandler and Peach,

Thanks (I think) for pointing out the graffiti on the wall. I could barely make it out, so thanks for the link to the enhanced image. My eyesight has gotten bad from too little sleep and too much laptop gazing, darn it. And now you have me free-associating all over the place. ;-)

The inscription "This is not real" for some reason made me think of the "Paul is dead" myth and diabolical backwards messages hidden in rock LPs... Oh, right, Writer-nim has finally sent me off the deep end.

It also reminds me of “mene mene tekel upharsin” (= "numbered, numbered, weighed, divided") -- the handwriting on the wall in the Old Testament Book of Daniel 5:25-28. It foretells the fall of Babylon and its division between two of its enemies because the king misbehaved. One can only hope that the handwriting on the wall means that the evil Chairman Jang's days are numbered -- although it also could refer to TJ's and DK's business losses.

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Yeah - I've totally been afraid for a couple of weeks now that the show is going to go all "Sixth Sense" on us somehow.

Never have I been so unsure of what is going to happen and how things are going to end up in a drama before. (Well, maybe Signal had me guessing some too)

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Gee, and to think we just had an installment of "Name That Drama" a couple of days ago...

As soon as I read "graffiti on the wall," I had a dim recollection of watching another drama that had writing on a masonry wall out in the open, I think near a school, but in a public right-of-way. It was something the female protagonist passed on a daily basis as it was near home or on the way to work.

After napping for a couple of hours, COFFEE PRINCE came to mind, but then I got the feeling that it might have been SHE WAS PRETTY.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

I feel like I'm going to have to check in with Doctors Park and Yoda...

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Hmmmm, you've got me thinking.

If only we all had Doctor Park & Doctor Yoda to guide us...

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@Chandler // Omg I wouldn't have noticed the graffiti iif you hadn't mentioned it! O___O

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Don't get me wrong, Do Kyung really deserves to get his butt beat to hell and back but to be honest I think Tae-jin is just really taking things too far. Maybe Do Kyung deserves to have his business ruined but since he isn't the one who really did it just the one who is taking the blame, I don't agree that Tae-jin needs to keep beating him up or even ruin his business. I don't think it is going to make a difference. It's not going to stop him from being angry or the pain of losing Hae Young. He really needs to find peace so he can move on.

I really love our Hae Young! She is really growing and I am loving the influence Do Kyung is having on her life. I was so glad to see her and other Hae Young finally talk things out. They needed that. So many years of jealousy ruined what could have been a great friendship.

And let me briefly touch on Do Kyung and Soo King's egg donor... This lady is something else. How is it that she blames everyone for everything but herself? She is so selfish. And I really wished our Hae Young gave her a piece of her mind. I'm glad that other Hae Young finally called her on her BS though!!! I really hope egg donor runs into Mama Oh before the end of the show. Would probably be the best scene of the series!

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Tae Jin is terrifying, but very real. When he compared Hae Young to a favorite outfit I shuddered, thinking - yes, that's exactly how he sees her. As an accessory. A favourite one maybe, but something that makes Tae Jin look good.

It's nice that part of him understands that this is too much, but based on the busboy beatdown, this is not a guy who does self-reflection well. And what Hae Young and Do Kyung are separately telling him isn't helping with his particular personality issues: DK is willing to lose everything he has in penance, which isn't something TJ could dream of doing because his entire worth is wrapped up in this concept of him being a CEO. And then OHY shows up to reconfirm that and reinforce TJ's crappy initial decision: OHY is fine with DK being ruined and will stay with him knowingly, she just loves him too much to see him physically hurt. Again, this is exactly the opposite of what TJ was willing to let her choose.

OHY and DK represent the right way to go about life, and they contract so sharply with TJ's own understanding that I worry he's going to get worse.

The actor playing TJ's doing well, though - you see exactly what in TJ would be attractive, and exactly how these darker parts of him would be well-concealed until things go wrong. His physique initially was just part of him, but as the story goes on he's practically coming off as the Hulk. It's effective and scary.

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Yes Miranda!! That was too much. I really believe he feels like his favorite toy got taken away. And the sad thing is he won't be able to take the time to self reflect because he does not have the right people in his life to push him in the right direction. His so called friend and business partner can only do so much because he can't be completely honest with him seeing as he is the real reason Tae-jin's business went up in flames.

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Tae Jin underestimated Hae Young. Then and now. Why? Because I don't think he's ever seen her as an equal, a partner. He's never truly loved her as she so eloquently pointed out. To him, she was a trophy. And object. His 'favorite suit' as he put it. When she chose Do Kyung, he wasn't heartbroken that his love is no more, he was angry that something of his was taken away, not caring about Hae Young's own agency, own choice in the matter. For Tae Jin it all boils down to pride and how the world views him and his successes/failures. That's quite sad indeed. Knowing how strongly Hae Young loves and gives her all in relationships, I can safely say she is better off being with silently sweet Do Kyung, who absolutely adores everything about her.

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Doesn't that make him more scary ? I got the chills when he said 'OHY you shouldn't have come here'

if he was in love, then he would have backed off given how much pain she was in. But it seems to be all about pride now. So the woman he was going to marry is now begging him to not hurt the man who harmed his business ... Looks like payback time.

DK - Stop wearing that damn shirt and go home before sunset !!!!

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I'm not sure why but when he said "OHY you shouldn't have come here", his rage is beyond par and I kinda believe that's the trigger of him running his car towards Dokyung.

Maybe if she didn't see him in ep15, he will not get the feeling to be a loser and trying to kill Dokyung.

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I couldn't for the life of me tell what he meant when he said 'OHY you shouldn't have come here'. It was all very ambiguous because, on the one hand, it could mean that her words finally broke through to him and made him realize he shouldn't harm her further and compromise his own character in the process. But I also worry that those words indicate Tae-jin going in the opposite direction.

Hae-young's words "Just don't hit him" could very well be what drives Tae-jin to 'hit' Do-kyung with his car...or they could very well be what saves him.

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I have a couple of alternate takes on "OHY you shouldn’t have come here," -- which creeped me out, too.

1) TJ goes after OHY as well as DK and attempts to run them both down (hence DK's terrified expression)

2) TJ learns about his business partner's betrayal and Chairman Jang's machinations, and targets both of them

3) TJ mistakenly thinks running over Evil Mom would be a wonderful act of revenge against DK. We can only hope...

4) TJ succumbs to despair and offs himself (driving into a bridge abutment or into the river)

Whew. Now that I got that out of my system... I could only think that if OHY had talked turkey with TJ earlier, this disaster may have been averted or ameliorated -- although I blame Chairman Jang and TJ's crooked partner for goading him on and stirring the pot.

I liked the way she expressed herself so directly, especially her sense of TJ's having handed her a death sentence. Right on. But I didn't get the sense that she was expressing concern for him like she had been when she wished for peace of mind and heart for all of them. I was hoping that she'd appeal to his better nature, but she only seems to have antagonized him further. The guy is more of a loner than DK used to be, and has no one to care -- or to rein him in.

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I was also considering something like #4 happening! That would be a twist and one that could have an interesting effect on our leads' role in the vision Do-kyung sees. Maybe he's trying to stop TJ from hurting himself? That would be unexpected...

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@Chandler,

Great minds running in the same channel, eh? ;-)

Yes, I was also thinking along the line of DK attempting a save in such a scenario and getting seriously injured/killed -- to tie in with the "Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for his friend" passage later the letter to the Corinthians in Ep. 10.

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Alternate no.3 is my favorite! I could have died laughing if I wasnt so curious about how the story will actually end up.

It clashes with the usual drama theory though: evil, annnoying people simply dont die that easily.

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ROFL @PakalanaPikake @Bunny

I actually don't think I fully appreciated #3 because I was focused on #4. Nevermind! Let's make #3 happen, Show. Everyone's problems will be solved!

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I have to agree with gomdora, rather than LollyPip's reading that TJ had finally come to his senses, her begging him to just refrain from physical violence against DK just sent him over the edge. Seeing how much she loved DK even w/o money or position just highlighted how different their prorities are and what he lost through everything that happened.

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Tae Jin did mention that there was a CCTV monitoring the hall outside his place so maybe he has plans of using the footage to hurt DK further somehow, especially since she was easily seen entering then leaving his room.

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I appreciate that they've gotten strong actors for all of the supporting roles. I was confused as to why Lee Jae Yoon was in the intro credits when in the first half of the season it seemed like he was barely in the show, but now I understand why.

Tae Jin, as a character, has the ability to make me both fear him and feel for him. Which is really all you can ask from your show's antagonist (i like the word antagonist because it would feel wrong to call him a villain).

You're scared of what he's gonna do, but you also feel bad because you know it's really just gonna hurt him most in the end. I was so ready to write off the exes in the beginning of the season and now I just feel bad for them :(

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Still definitely didn't like him comparing HY to a suit though :D

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I actually liked the line. it was the most explicit statement about how TJ really feels.

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"Arm candy" and "trophy wife" came to mind when I read that... or maybe one of those micro yappy dogs that are hauled around in one's handbag...

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"Still definitely didn’t like him comparing HY to a suit though" --Callie

"“Arm candy” and “trophy wife” came to mind when I read that… or maybe one of those micro yappy dogs that are hauled around in one’s handbag…" --PakalanaPikake

The trouble is, this doesn't make sense in ShowWorld. OHY says HTJ was a "Tier 1" guy, while she was "Tier 3." Everything in ShowWorld reinforces that. In ShowWorld, OHY could not possibly be "arm candy" or "trophy wife" (though "Pretty" OHY could be).

Also, the earliest episodes gave (me, at least) the sense that HTJ was handsome, successful, and conventional; and that he did the conventional misguided Noble Idiot thing. His problem was a lack of understanding of who OHY was, and she was pretending to be someone she was not just to be with a "Tier 1" guy, so they were a mismatched couple.

So, fine, they should not be together. And he's been driven to desperation and very bad behavior by his sense of being crushed and humiliated unfairly in his life (which he was; and as she was also driven to desperation and very bad behavior), and he has a chance to pull himself out of his destructive spiral...but somehow I feel that the writers put this deliberately awful and bad analogy of OHY being his "favorite suit" in his mouth in a way that strains credulity.

There's nothing in his earliest behavior or in ShowWorld that would justify this. He was caring, if completely wrong in his decision to "spare" OHY news of his bankruptcy/imprisonment. He thought he would be in prison for at least a few years. He was sorry for hurting her, he worried about her--he was just wrong. And he paid for his stupidity in hurting her by losing her.

But there was no reason to believe, in the previous version of ShowWorld, that he thought of her in such a demeaning way as a possession--an article of clothing, no less. At least the writers didn't have him compare her to a pair of shoes.

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TJ is really screwed and I'm very grateful they didn't explore his relationship with OHY o much. It would have made things really sad.

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I dont think Tae Jin is angry or in any pain because he lost Hae Young. He is angry and is in pain because he (thinks he) lost his pride.

If, if he ram on Do Kyung, thinking that doing so will erase his pain and bring back what he had lost, guess again, he would go to prison again.

If only he knows that Do Kyung has nothing to do with Dir Jang's investment withdrawal, and that he is only a tool to avenge DirJang's bitchy first daughter, there is a good chance that things would be different.