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Dramabeans Podcast #33

We’re trying something a little different this time, so the format will be a little looser than normal… in that there isn’t much of a format today. More like a free-for-all. And rather than going drama by drama, we wanted to focus more on actors today — any and all that we could think of, in whatever order we thought them up.

Note: We recorded this podcast about two weeks ago and then got swamped with premieres and whatnot; it was before the latest batch of premieres with Moonlight Drawn By Clouds, Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo, Jealousy Incarnate and the like. Better late than never?

Podcast #33

Running time: 1:25:36

 
Topics, shows, and actors discussed, in rough general order:

  • W, Han Hyo-joo, Lee Jong-seok
  • (4:55) Uncontrollably Fond, Kim Woo-bin, Suzy
  • (8:45) Bring it On, Ghost, Taecyeon, Kim So-hyun, Song Seung-heon
  • (12:45) Mirror of the Witch, Kim Sae-ron, Yoon Shi-yoon, Park Eun-bin
  • (15:03) Age of Youth, Park Eun-bin, Han Ye-ri, Ryu Hwa-young, Ji Il-joo
  • (18:55) Doctors, Park Shin-hye, Kim Rae-won, Yoon Kyun-sang, Kim Min-seok
  • (24:15) Descended From the Sun, Song Joong-ki, Jin Gu
  • (26:48) Heirs, Lee Min-ho, Kim Woo-bin, Krystal, Minhyuk, She’s So Lovable, Jang Nara
  • (31:35) Cinderella and the Four Knights, Park So-dam, Jung Il-woo, Ahn Jae-hyun, Ji-soo
  • (39:17) Goodbye Mr. Black, Yoon Eun-hye, Moon Chae-won
  • (44:20) Answer Me 1988, Hyeri, Entertainer, Ji Sung, Ryu Joon-yeol, Lucky Romance, Park Bo-gum
  • (48:15) Joo-won, acting talent, Kim Tae-hee
  • (52:43) Lee Seo-jin, Lee Da-hae, actor images, Kang Haneul, Jo Jung-seok
  • (59:05) ad-libbing, Kang Ki-young, David Lee, Kwon Yul
  • (1:02:20) circling back to W, Queen Inhyun’s Man, Uncontrollably Fond, Wonderful Season, pre-production and hype
  • (1:07:45) Kim Hye-soo, Signal, Jeon Ji-hyun, Lee Je-hoon, Yoo Yeon-seok
  • (1:12:33) Park Min-young, Lee Bo-young, Kim Ah-joong, Wanted, Ji Hyun-woo
  • (1:17:48) Yeon Jung-hoon & Han Ga-in, Ahn Jae-hyun & Gu Hye-sun
  • (1:20:20) Kim Go-eun, Park So-dam, Seo Hyun-jin

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Songs Used in Podcast (In order of use)
“밀당” by Ashgray
“밀지마” (Don’t push me) by Wendy, Seul Gi from the Uncontrollaby Fond OST
“넌 예뻐” (You’re beautiful) by JungHo from the Doctors OST
“For You” by BTOB from the Cinderella and the Four Knights OST
“사랑이 뭔데” (What’s love) by Seo Hyun-jin & Yoo Seung-woo from the Oh Hae-young Again OST

 
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Please explain what podcast is all about

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do you mean this
W, Han Hyo-joo, Lee Jong-seok
(4:55) Uncontrollably Fond, Kim Woo-bin, Suzy
(8:45) Bring it On, Ghost, Taecyeon, Kim So-hyun, Song Seung-heon
(12:45) Mirror of the Witch, Kim Sae-ron, Yoon Shi-yoon, Park Eun-bin
(15:03) Age of Youth, Park Eun-bin, Han Ye-ri, Ryu Hwa-young, Ji Il-joo
(18:55) Doctors, Park Shin-hye, Kim Rae-won, Yoon Kyun-sang, Kim Min-seok
(24:15) Descended From the Sun, Song Joong-ki, Jin Gu
(26:48) Heirs, Lee Min-ho, Kim Woo-bin, Krystal, Minhyuk, She’s So Lovable, Jang Nara
(31:35) Cinderella and the Four Knights, Park So-dam, Jung Il-woo, Ahn Jae-hyun, Ji-soo
(39:17) Goodbye Mr. Black, Yoon Eun-hye, Moon Chae-won
(44:20) Answer Me 1988, Hyeri, Entertainer, Ji Sung, Ryu Joon-yeol, Lucky Romance, Park Bo-gum
(48:15) Joo-won, acting talent, Kim Tae-hee
(52:43) Lee Seo-jin, Lee Da-hae, actor images, Kang Haneul, Jo Jung-seok
(59:05) ad-libbing, Kang Ki-young, David Lee, Kwon Yul
(1:02:20) circling back to W, Queen Inhyun’s Man, Uncontrollably Fond, Wonderful Season, pre-production and hype
(1:07:45) Kim Hye-soo, Signal, Jeon Ji-hyun, Lee Je-hoon, Yoo Yeon-seok
(1:12:33) Park Min-young, Lee Bo-young, Kim Ah-joong, Wanted, Ji Hyun-woo
(1:17:48) Yeon Jung-hoon & Han Ga-in, Ahn Jae-hyun & Gu Hye-sun
(1:20:20) Kim Go-eun, Park So-dam, Seo Hyun-jin

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Please, please consider putting your podcast up on Stitcher. I can only listen on my iPad and Adobe Flash doesn't work. Stitcher is a great way to get your podcast out to a broader audience too. I love Dramabeans and I'm so sad I can't listen to the podcasts :/

If there is a way to listen on an iPad, please tell me how.

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Is there an app where we can listen to this podcast or do we have to listen from the website?

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now I get it. first time listening this.

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click the play button near the end of the post. The podcast is the sound clip.

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oh, you beat up my poor Taec! for the majority of us who don't expect much from him, and actually not even aware of his lack in acting skills until it was mentioned in the recaps, we thought he did just fine. As opposed to Suzy who is really bad, I'm done with Uncontrollably Fond and I haven't even started.

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I don't think that the majority of people weren't aware that he was a bad actor and thought he was fine. If you look back at the comments on the posts about Bring it On, Ghost leading up to the premier, concerns about Taecyeon's lack of acting ability was a really common thread of conversation. A TON of people posted that they were worried he couldn't act the emotional beats of the drama well, which let's be honest, he can't. He has plenty of other charms, but he is not a strong dramatic actor.

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Oh the good looks and the acting skills well......
ahem well on the plus side he looks good...

and all my dear beanies can correct me if I am wrong, but most of the time our prayers to drama-gods are to not have him cast in some role that may need him to showcase his stellar acting talent (pwaahhhh) than his stellar eyebrows...

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YAAAAAAY! I LOVE the podcasts and it has been so long (kind of) since the last one!

Off to listen!

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I know right! I've been waiting for this for months!

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I don't usually listen to podcasts here on DB but I might try this one. The last I've listen to was the podcast solely dedicated to Healer and I enioyed it. I hope W gets to have a podcast dedicated to it too (oh, wishful thinking).

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Once they've settled on the show's unifying theory.

*Doing one before that...their poor livers?*

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This is my first time listening to your podcast. ?

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Me too ?

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I was just thinking last night when are you girls going to post another podcast and BAM! here it is.

Thanks JB and GF!

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OMG! When you guys started talking about PBG, I had to stop midway and type this. I soo want a Pt.2 of this podcast now so that you can talk about his performance in Moonlight. I still remember seeing him for the first time in the Nodame remake and was completely mesmerized by his acting and not to mention his looks. Hopefully he'll have a long prosperous career.

Question: Since you mentioned the effect of directing on acting, I'm wondering if an actor's failure to deliver (due to bad directing) actually translates to simply bad acting? Like, they're actually bad actors? I haven't seen any of the shows you mentioned to exemplify bad directing so I can't really connect between the two.

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I'm one of the sad people who's been sleeping on Park BoGum's awesomeness ? I'm loving him so much in moonlight!!! I saw him in nodame and reply but he didn't really do anything for me. Today I found myself watching my first episode of 1d2n because he was in it ? I love him so much ???

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if you haven't already, i'd watch the mystery drama i remember you, which aired last summer with jang nara and seo in-gook as leads. park bo-gum had a significant role—he was SO GOOD. first time i'd ever seen him anywhere. he was gloriously creepy in it.

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Totally agree. I was repulsed and sympathetic to his character all in the same moment. Great acting.

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I have to chime in and recommend 'I Remember You' as well. I am kinda glad I got introduced to Park Bo Gum in IRY first and then watched Reply. Coz sure he's great at playing 'dopey' puppy but IRY was always there to remind me that he can play against the type. (though it could be argued-he is a bit of a creepy puppy there...I know that sound's weird but it's true!)

and I tune into Moonlight largely because of him!

I am not sure how much his pout has blinded me, but I do think he can play varied characters? Like I get the comparison with Soong Joon Ki and the pretty-ness being sometimes a limitation, but I dunno. At least from what little I've seen, I still want him to flex his acting muscles and take up varied roles, maybe over time.

It's a bit like Yoo Ah In (recommend definitely for your next actor podcast though with army duty- sigh) who is a bit of a puppy when it comes to looks but has been glorious at playing against that type. I dunno if Park Bo Gum could pull it off but I would definitely tune in to see him try.

Also, to my utter delight, I have been able to say 'puppy' way too many times in this post. :D

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Bad directing can exacerbate a problem and create issues however a good actor can usually work with what the director wants even if hes not great at articulating it. It's a developed skill and not something easy.

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This has always been my take on the Reply series. Those people are amazing at matching "actors" (broadly speaking, often) with roles, and then directing the heck out of them.

As an example, who'd have thought that post-Love Rain Seo In Guk would become a star? They seem to do that in every drama, take someone untried or relatively new and really make them sing. Or take non-actors or relatively limited actors (the guy from Sechs Kies or Go Ara) and give them a role that suits their limitations, and do everything they can to work around their limitations.

I have a lot of respect for that franchise.

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Yay!! I was wondering when we would get another podcast, Thank You GF and JB :D

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I am going to probably get so much hate for this but I feel that between Park Shin Hye and Ryu Hwa-young, RHY is the prettiest one and her acting is better. I don't hate PSH, I really don't and don't get me wrong PSH is also very beautiful, but I feel like RHY's acting is more broad which also adds to her appeal. She is able to express more emotions through her eyes and make more facial expressions than PSH. I feel like PSH has lost noticeably weight especially in her face and for some reason the way her neck looks sometimes concerns me. She used to have a chubby face with chubby cheeks and I feel like that suited her more than how she looks now. It's just that she looked good before and I can't help but wonder if she was pressured to lose weight by her agency or if it was a personal choice. I had this same concern for Ailee when she had her comeback a couple years ago, she later came out and admitted that it had been her choice but that she regret it so who knows maybe it was also PSH's choice.

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I'm a Park Shin-hye fan and you'll get no hate from me for saying that - after seeing Age of Youth, I have say Ryu Hwa-young was fantastic there. I hope her career flourishes, because she certainly seems to have the chops for it.

That said, I think they're both gorgeous and give off very different vibes despite their similar features. It's interesting to see (and also interesting to contemplate how their differences in image make them more appealing to certain demographics).

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Still hoping to see one drama where they won't ask Park Shin-hye to cry.

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But why not? All main actors and actresses cry in their drama? Why do you only have problem with her?

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I too am not a fan of the PSH weight loss.

But it is what it is hey.

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I actually don't think that RHY>PSH is an unpopular opinion... I've seen it bounced around here and there.

It's a little hard to compare acting skills imho because they're playing very different parts - RHY does supporting comedic femme fatales and PSH has done many leading candies... if all things were equal RHY would win anyways. I think RHY is killing the parts she has been giving though. And I think she speaks and has better pronounciation than PSH, who kind of sounds like she has a lisp sometimes.

As for looks, RHY (and her twin) and PSH are both gorgeous girls with very similar features but they give off different feels, which is kind of in line with the kinds of characters they play. RHY looks more mature and is taller whereas PSH is kind of... cuter looking. I miss her chubby cheeks though. I had a total girlcrush on her face a year or two ago, but when she was on running man recently I was surprised at how strange she looked.

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RHY and PSH resemble with each other but not to the point I would call them doppelgängers. And as for their acting, I don't think it's really fair to compare them on that department because RHY haven't had to carry a drama by herself as a led yet and more over they don't even play the same types of characters. I still remember after Heirs, people were calling Krystal a better actress than PSH for whatever reasons (prolly because the character was sassy and not weepy) but that has stopped after she's so lovable LOL.

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*--as a lead yet and more over--

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somehow i just don't see the park shin-hye/ryu hwa-young resemblance. i guess i see it in the shape of their lips, but despite watching them both in different dramas every week for weeks, i never once thought that ryu reminded me of anyone. so it's news to me that people think they look alike! haha

i actually think park shin-hye's weight loss suits her. the chubby look was cute when she was younger, but she's older now and she probably wants a more polished image. she's been looking thinner since heirs/pinocchio though. i do think she looks more gaunt in the face in doctors, but she doesn't look unhealthy. but i tend to think most people will look better/prettier with a bit of weight loss, so long as they don't take it too far.

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I think weight loss for PSH will open new doors for her. She can't forever look like 'Kim Tan's girlfriend' or that little girl Han Jung Su who got stepped over by her step-mom.
I think the weight loss and missing her 'chubby cheeks' is getting out of proportion, she really needs new types of roles and she herself expressed that the last thing she wants is her acting to stagnate. If other actors are allowed transformation for their role then why not her?

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People complained she is playing the same roles but when she tried to change and play different roles they have other things to complain.
She can't please everyone

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It's your personal preference and we don't hate on you
As beauty you shouldn't compare. Plus PSH never lost that much weight people make it like. Please watch the last ep of Doctors. Her chubby cheeks have been back for a while

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im park shin hye's fans and i hv no offnse for rHY...
I watched her acting on exgirlfriend club and love forecast. Shes kinda sexy.. at first whn she was in t are, i thnk she resmble psh a lot but after saw her acting she is totally different frm psh.
Psh still in her innocnt chrcter and she upgrde to be matured lady for doctors...
And rhy sexy vibe plus gt extorvert chrcter which suit her (and im quite surprised rhy is younger thn psh and yet she bring her sexy image not cute girl).
Both of thn good actresses. Wish the best for them.

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Beauty... the two of them natural beauty right? Natural beauty in korea is miracle. Hihihi... thts why i love child actresses cz theyre beautiful without touching anything in their face...
Psh, baek sunghyun, yoo seung ho, kim yoojung, kim so hyun, YJG, and the next generation, kalsowon (child actresses -miracle in cell.7), jung dabin...

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I think Ryu Hwa-young's been chosing to play parts that let her act more freely than the usual candy girl. She portrays women who are attractive and sexy, yet relatable and vulnerable. She's building a wider career range for herself by taking smaller but edgier roles.

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Thanks for the awesome podcast!
There's just one thing I kind of disagreed with and that's I thought Taec wasn't nearly as awful as people say he is and that the drama got boring. Contrary to that, Let's Fight Ghost was the only drama that made me want to keep watching out of all the dramas out right now. The couple was cute and it always had me on the edge to figure out their pasts. I also really felt emotionally attached to Bong Pal and Taec's character especially when his dad died. I don't know just my opinion!

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Oh yay. I just roadtriped across the US and downloaded all your podcasts to listen to along the way and was so sad to have run out. Can't wait to listen to this new one.

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YEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!

Alas! I can't wait to listen and I like this new concept! As long as I can hear you ladies talk dramas + actors, I'm good. Thank you!

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I've been listening to the last podcast over ten times already HAHAHA I think I'll be able to recite it word for word but then I'm not as great as you girls so maybe just the line up of dramas HAHA

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javabeans and girlfriday, your thoughts on Suzy and Taec were such an accurate summary of how I feel about these two. Some people, as endearing and beautiful as they are, just cannot and should not act.

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Yeah, they definitely hit the nail on the head with that comparison. Acorn counting aside, Taec is by far someone I can tolerate and appreciate watching on tv. Suzy is just flat. Pretty but flat.

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W is bloody fantastic.

Greatest kdrama of all-time.

All-time!

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W is one of the greatest but Misaeng is the greatest imho!

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Yeah, I can't think of anything to top Misaeng (no, not even Signal).

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I haven't watched signal yet but this further discourages me to watch it because I expected it to be misaeng level. I guess no kdrama can be that level.

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they are different genre tho

personally for me , signal is great but not the point where i need to say they are the drama of the year or the need to compare it with every drama out there coughcoughDOTScoughcough .its personal preferences after all..

you need to watch it to judge it by yourself..maybe you will like it and join signal cult or you may not like it..

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It's a good drama, though. Just not as unique as Misaeng.

For me personally, Heard It Through the Grapevine was a very close second to Misaeng even though its genre and tone is completely different from Misaeng. It's great if you want to see a black comedy take on typical kdrama happy endings that land up with girls marrying chaebols.

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Regarding the bad American/English accents: I just watched the Chinese drama "Lover me if you dare". I liked how they mostly pretended that everyone understood each other. So American actors spoke English. It was a lot more pleasant than the nail-on-a-chalk-board of stilted English.

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haha I remember that scene,
they speak and talk with a good flow on their own language and I like it.

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That drama was really nice. And the language issue was very nicely dealt instead of cringey english tbh. I wonder what's up with Sandra Ma, I loved her in it, but I haven't seen anything of her after that drama...

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Sandra Ma has a new drama coming up, titled General and I/Oh My General where she plays a crossdressing general. Also a new movie with female friendship as the theme, forgot the title tho.

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Ooh thank you! Sounds interesting ^^

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So happy the podcast is back! Thanks, girls! But, c'mon--it's midnight where I live and I was just checking Dramabeans before going to bed...!

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In my case, the podcast went up just as I arrived in the office - can't wait till it's evening and I finally get to check it!

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Even I was at work when I saw it go up. I downloaded it as soon as I started from office and was listening to it on my way back home. I think I kept grinning throughout, might have looked like a weirdo.

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Yay JB and GF!!! Thank you! And I'm 100% happy that you recorded this before starting to watch Scarlet Heart: Moon Lovers: Goryeo and Moonlight Drawn by Clouds because that means we get to look forward to your next podcast covering both! Love you two - you're the best!

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This was a fun listen!

But oh man, Suzy's acting doesn't bother me, but I feel like I should be self-conscious about that in a weird way, haha. I don't know...I like it...she seems kinda just like a regular gal to me somehow. Some people make weird faces when they cry, right? Hahaha. Smiley crying...is that a thing? Some people do it, sure! :*)

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Yes I agree too actually! I honestly have never been super bothered by her acting. Like I acknowledge it's not the best but it has never ruined my drama watching experience. For example, I loveddddd Gu Family Book and it's still one of my favorites and I thought she was pretty okay there. While they should have hired a more talented actress for such a complex role, I don't think Suzy should be completely written off as an actress. I believe she needs to start back from the basics and do some small second lead roles to improve in her skills. She has made leaps and bounds from Dream High so hopefully she can improve more if she works harder.

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I'm commenting on different points as I listen...

Ya can't wish Ahn Jae Hyun didn't take Blood too much, because that's where he met his wife!...ah but you addressed that later in the podcast.

I didn't know all those details about Yoon Eun Hye's career demise. That makes sense. I loved her so much in Coffee Prince, but not in much else..
I agree 100% with your comments on Lucky Romance. Ryu Jun Yeol carried it and made it magical. I, like you, found issue with Shim Bo Ni’s character, and also with her disservice to denim. Hwang Jung Eum irritated me in She Was Pretty as well, so I searched my mind for an actress who could have somehow saved this raving lunatic. My mind landed on Jang Na Ra, coincidentally! This sort of ties to your praise of her as a talented and lovable candy gal actress. But back to Ryu Jun Yeol. He just sparkles. He is also my actor crush, and I have had very few in my life. My love for him reminds me of my love for Jonathan Taylor Thomas in the 90s. XD
Interesting comments about Korean beauty standards for actresses. You can definitely see how more variety is present with male actors. The actresses you mention as having the different/newly accepted look are unquestionably beautiful in my eyes! I am distracted by faces that are so obviously plastic and botox (I think you could even see Hwang Jung Eum’s injection marks in Lucky Romance, while she always plays seemingly innocent, unassuming, authentic/natural gals!).
If you do a FB live cast some day, you could have people commenting and participating while you broadcast. Just a thought.
Really enjoyed listening to my first podcast here! Thanks gals!

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i agree with you. RJY saved the drama. the story itself is all over the place in the first ep, and Bonui character is really frustating. the story is wasting RJY and HJE's talent.

I didnt watch SWP so i cant say much about HJE, but she was awesome in KMHM and Secret and i feel bad for her to act as Bonui.

and the director should thank RJY to save the drama, because without it, the drama is going to be more worse. all knetz drama is all about je suho, je suho and je suho. noone care about how the story because everyone know the story itself already frustating to watch lol.

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I actually plan to give KMHM a try before making a definitive opinion on HJE. I asked a friend to watch with me recently. I heard wonderful things about it!

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Have you watched Youth Over Flowers Africa? You'd like it, Ryu Jun Yeol's personality shines through.

Maybe there is something to the fact that unconventional looking actresses are taken more seriously. I would identify Han Ye-Ri and Kim G- Eun as the best actresses out there right now and neither of them look like the typical kdrama leading lady. So maybe I'm showing a subconscious bias? Although I find Hwang Jun Eum's need to dress down just more distracting than anything...

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@Ren I have watched best of clips of YOF and plan to watch the whole thing. I just finished (and adored) Reply 1988 to fill the RJY shaped hole in my heart after Lucky Romance. YOF is next! Thanks for the recommendation! :D

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I don't know if it's just because I don't know Korean, I wouldn't have thought that Suzy was an inferior actress to IU. It's so clear to me in the recaps that IU only has one expression and it's the deer in headlights looks that she does in every shot.

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IU's performance is better than the recap screenshots would lead you to believe.

That wide-eyed expression is not her finest moment, but she's actually expressive - you don't need to know Korean to work that out, if you actually watched her in motion.

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I'm watching Moon Lovers live as well as reading the recaps, her limited expression is more apparent when you can compare it screenshot for screenshot. Probably doesn't help that the director insists on tightly framing everyone's faces.

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I disagree that she's got only that "deer in headlights" look - having seen her previous work in Producers, I'm more convinced that's the result of bad direction than anything wrong with IU herself.

She does very well at subtler emotion, like in her very first scene where she's down on life and complaining to the homeless man, or the one where she gets back from her encounter with So in the bath and realises she's 'home'. Whatever her faults may be, she's not wooden- and she's doing a lot better here than Suzy did in the early eps of UF.

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I loved IU's character in Bel Ami/Pretty Man!

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Since you talked about some bad idol actors in this podcast, I was wondering if you could talk about some good idol actors like Eunji, Siwon, Siwan (lol so many siwans/siwons), doojoon, etc. I would really like to hear what you think of them!!

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I think B1A4 Jinyoung should be good, Nana is getting praised, I liked VIXX's Ken's acting, Ze:A's Hyungsik and I have that weird feeling mostly cause of me being biased that VIXX's Leo would probaly do well if he ever decides to go into acting which will probably never happen, but watching him in Blossom Tears MV gave me that feeling,lol

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Yeah, and include Sooyoung, Nana, D.O., IU, Minah, and people who've actually managed to turn in good performances in an actual acting project.

MVs don't count, the "acting" required there is just theatrically looking pretty.

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Yay! So excited for this.

Can anyone tell me if there are any spoilers about Age of Youth in the podcast? I just started watching it and didn't want to spoil myself of anything. Just being extra careful.

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there aren't many major spoilers in it but i reckon you should skip over it and come back and listen to it. its worth the listen

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Thanks! I'd stay off for now just in case. I'm on episode 5 right now (just started this morning) and I think I'll finish it in two days (if not tomorrow) so I'll just download the podcast for now. Thanks so much!

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I miss you guys' podcast so muchhhh

and yeay, they are my man crush too, Yoo Yeon Seok and Ryu Jun Yeol( thanks to reply crew who brought them to my radar)

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It was funny when they talked about LJS' broad shoulders and tiny head.

But the best part was them calling out The Heirs. Super on-point. It was a bad show to begin with. Well it started off really badly with Lee Min-ho's poor surfing skills and horrific english anyways.

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It's been ages but The Heirs keeps on coming back to haunt us. It ruined LMH for me too. I was okay with his long small screen break to somehow erase (if it is even possible) his Kim Tan from my memory in time for his upcoming drama.

I laughed so hard when JB and GF were talking about LJS's shoulders. The tiny head to broad shoulders ratio was awkward (in a cute way I guess) up until IHYV and DS (because it was highlighted when he lost so much weight for the role), but he was already looking quite bulky in Pinocchio. I agree that now, in W, he looks his best. Definitely manlier and a lot less lanky.

I cannot wait for the next podcast because I'm pretty sure LJK and his mane of glory will be discussed. And the adorkable PBG too!

Thanks guys!

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Well... Suzy acting is make it obvious she is lacking so much and get exposed her lack of acting because In UF her character actually requirement a talent actress to pull off if you don't have it, then It's done. Put PSH in that role she will get expose as well.. They are really miscast to put her in that tragic female lead role... It's just doesn't work... But she is still bearable compare several actor who are well loved by many here but Actually if take deeper look at their acting performances, they are just as bad. Hype really make people blind to see their fav acting ability.

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Actually, Park Shin-hye did her first melo lead role in Tree of Heaven at age 16 and was pretty well-received in it too.

I very much doubt a melo, of all things, would 'expose' her the way you're trying to imply. Or any of those 'several actor who are well loved by many here' - complaining about other commenters' imagined tastes isn't going to win your fave/the actress you're trying to defend any points.

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Funny because PSH's very 1st role is melo drama and she won award for all her crying scenes at the age of 13
Her 1st leading role in TOH when she was 16 and earns her nickname melo princess.
At lease before putting her down check on her resume first. There are reason writer keep making her cry because she is slaying those scenes

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Doctors crying scene park shin hye did very good job. I feel her when she losy her grandma.

But abt suzy, i saw her gu book (?) Forgt the title and she did pretty good job. Didnt watch uF yet so no commnt with her acting...

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Finally another podcast!!!!
Thank you soooo much, girls!!!!
Off to listen...

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I just finished listening to the podcast on my elliptical machine, and it could just be my new favorite thing!!!
Looking forward to your next one :)

Oh and I understand you both have been so busy with the multiple recaps in a week, but my little heart hopes you plan to recap Muhan Company too :D

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yess finally!!!!!!!!!!!! i love the new format actually and how you talked about ryu joon yeol and joo won because they are both my favourites ever. i seriously only watched the scenes that had RJY in lucky romance ahahahha

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Joo-won and Ryu Jun-yeol are my baes too! <3

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Whenever I hear about Heirs, there's an auto-playback of "Love is the momeeeeeeent" in my head. Gaaaaah!

But I kept on nodding and making side comments of my own from where I am on almost everything...especially how RJY is the best thing (or the only good thing) in Lucky Romance.

Since Doctors was mentioned, I was wondering about your thoughts on Lee Sung-kyung.

Also now that the Moon dramas are out: more about Park Bo-gum, Kim Yoo-jung, IU, Lee Jun-ki, and Kang Haneul (who's so adorkable in real life).

Following the Joo Won convo, how about actors with most shocking image vs real life personalities? :)

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I think that actors with talent who is dorky and low key rather than cool and confident type in real life does wonders when they go all serious in acting. Because no matter how they look calm you can actually see the storms to be breaking in their hearts. I don't know maybe it's just me I feel always more invested to their characters and they will always be my ultimate faves.

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Or actors that you've grown fond of from watching them in variety shows?

Like I didn't really have an opinion on Taec before but now I just really want him to do well after watching him in 3MAD. And I loved seeing that side of Park Shin Hye too. And I'm probably rooting for everyone who've done the Over Flower series lol

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Exactly. I'm so fond of Taec the dork, much more than Taec the idol rapper and Taec the actor. And lol the Iceland boys were a big revelation!

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Why is the reaction of certain fans when their bias gets criticized for poor acting, to immediately go "but Park Shin Hye..."?

Worry more about your own bias's acting instead of immediately coming after other actresses who never even worked with them.

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Those whose bias gets criticized and they turn and put down PSH or any other actress for example HJE for seemingly 'always taking similar roles', are just petty.. Healthy, constructive criticism is good for anyone but theirs just sound like waging fan war

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Seriously I don't even think PSH is a great actress but the amount of names she gets called by ifans is ridiculous.

There are plenty of actresses I think are better and who get unfair complaints from netizens but my reactions to that is not 'but PSH this, but PSH that'.

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True. PSH has never ever said that she is the best actress and she is incredibly humble. Given her popularity, she could have demanded bigger roles in movie industry but she has herself said that there has to be ticket selling power within her before she could do that. Even after a key role in Miracle in Cell No.7 ore the sleeper hit Cyrano Agency she could have rode with these movies success. She knows her place and how to stay in her lane. It's not like she has received major acting awards and even those she have received was only after years of hard work. Unlike certain other actresses/actors even after showing very little talent, just riding of their image, popularity and looks.

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not a fans of PSH, but RJY said many times, when your name mentioned even by haters means that they thinking of you (score one), and when they keep saying that she always acting in similar role means they keep watching her drama (score two).

see how PHS score 2 vs 0 of the haters. thats why her drama keep getting good rating.

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Hhhahhahh did RJY really say that? If so, he really knows things. No wonder I love him!!

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Eonamryu the wise one ^.^`

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I feel like Hyeri and Ahn Jae Hyun are a case of actors with no acting background getting their main role too soon in a crappy drama that no one really came out of unscathed. Which is an all-around disadvantage to them because I feel like they could've probably been better if they had more time before getting their lead roles or if they were working with a group that knew how to lead them. Like Answer Me 1988 for example or Park So Dam with AJH in Cinderella (although that latter part is just the impression I get from their BTS).

Heirs absolutely ruined Lee Min Ho and roughly everyone in that cast for me. Except for Kim Ji Won and Kim Woo Bin (but ugh! uncontrollably fond whyyyy).

And I'm honestly curious about where the rest of the young talents are in the Korean entertainment industry and why they aren't getting more exposure? Asides from Kim Yoo Jung and Kim So Hyun, where are Jin Ji Hee and Park Gun Tae and Park Ji Bin and when is Lee Hyun Woo going to find himself in a good drama I can actually appreciate him in?

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Also, am I the only one hoping that Joo Won somehow manages to get out of the entire mess that is the Sassy Girl drama re-make?

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Mee too, I really have bad feeling about that drama. I hope it won't be like Nodame. Remakes in general should be stopped maybe.

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Why are they even making such a remake, or calling it My Sassy Girl? Did they learn nothing from how hard that 'sequel' flopped?

I like Joo Won but I want him to avoid this.

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I was going to keep an open mind to it at first but with that entire casting/not casting thing that went on or is going on... Can someone just pull the plug on this already?

On these kind of situations, I do wonder if the actors already involved know what a mess it's already snowballed into but they just can't get themselves out of it anymore? Like, I wonder if Joo Won's dreading this as much as we are and if he's just praying that everything gets stalled until he has to enlist for the military so he can go ''oops too late i'm sorry (not sorry at all)''

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I don't think any actor can get out of a drama he already signed up for. He's gonna have to hang in there and make lemonade out of lemons. The drama isn't short of acting talents, I think OYS is a good fit. They just got upstaged by the show that was going on behind the scenes.

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Joo won already started shooting the drama. I don’t think he could have gotten out of this even if he wanted too – his agency is producing it.

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Yeah, UF was the worst comeback imaginable for KWB into small screen, and I totally want to erase it. Shin Joon Young character is awful and his acting isn't phenomenal either. I hope he gets a better role. And I wish Kim Ji Won would come back with a carefully thought project, because DOtS was so big that it may inflate her 'bubble' and a flop after that drama wouldn't do any good.
Lee Min Ho should take city hunter types of roles, no more arrogant, childish and conceited chaebols.

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Considering how Kim Ji Won seems to be taking her time.. maybe she's carefully selecting her next project?

It really didn't help that LMH had Boys Over Flower too. That and Heirs just cancelled out however much I enjoyed City Hunter and now i can't just be unbiased with him. Sadly.

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I am secretly hoping for Kim Jiwon and Lee Jongsuk reunion.

I hope LMH's next drama will wash away the bad taste left by The Heirs (and yes BOF too to some extent). City Hunter is the only one I acknowledge. lol

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I liked LMH character in Personal Taste and Faith. In personal taste, though they weren't fond of one another, they were such good friends. He was thoughtful and composed. That drama to me, was low-key in general. Its among my favourites.

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There's an actor by the name of Hyun Woo whom I actually haven't even seen acting just saw in Human Condition and really want him to act in some huge project too, there is a whole bunch of actors in their 30s who still need some breakthrough, but young actors are coming out and cometition is getting strong , I am so happy for Lee Jong Suk for no reason, but it's so nice to see a person praised for his face and acting, tho in his case they often critcise his attitude, guess people always need something to be critical about

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ah...if this the correct hyun woo you talk about, you can see him in Pasta, weekend drama Ugly Alert and recent one laurel tree tailor..all supporting character tho ///

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Awl too. He had a huge role in Awl. :D

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Oops..yup AWL...

and he can sing too ~king of masked singer ... thats a plus :)

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Pick a better drama next time, Woobin. Maybe do a drama with a talented young actress like Kim Ji Won? They had such great chemistry in Heirs and she didn't choose a new acting project yet after DotS.

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that should be 'hit by cars and trucks'. Not cats.

But being hit by a cat would be cute, imagine it comes and jumps on you in the street....

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Getting hit by a cat would be the best twist UF writer can do.

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UF writer would probably make the cat a big cat. Like a tiger.

So instead of Truck of Doom, we get everyone being eaten by a Tiger of Doom.

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Lol, we even already have a kitten in the drama, so it wouldn't even come out of left field (btw did it appear again? Only watched up to ep. 14). It could join hands with truck of doom by running across the street, *insert name* runs after it and then it's Mr. Truck's turn to do his job. ?

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Hit by a cat. I love it. Ji Tae's mom is such a B, I'd love it if someone just came up and slapped her across the face with a cat.

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" just came and slapped her across the face with a cat" lol!

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Agree, UF is just messy writing and wrong advertising on top of everything. I don't understand why they marketed it the way it did if it was going to be episodes and episodes of frustration and crying and idiocy.

And somehow I still end up watching it because there are parts that are great (which makes the crappy parts more frustrating becomes it could've been so much more than /this/) and I totally got sold on the BGM and it just hits me every time A Little Braver comes on.

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maybe it should be called Uncontrollably Frustrating?

It's too much crying and screaming and doing this then that all the time I don't want my BP to rise any more so I stopped watching.

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Im starting to miss Lee Hyun Woo in good roles too :(

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I can't really answer for the rest of Korea's young talent but I do know where Park Ji Bin is, lol. He's currently serving his mandatory military service (he's 21!).

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oh wow now i feel old lol

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Wahhhh I've been waiting for your podcasts! Perfect thing to listen to while studying! Thank you~

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I agree that there are many new promising rookie actors, I am especially a fan of Seo Kang Joon, Hyungsik from Zea, and I am not sure yet about Lee Tae-Hwan, but hope he does well too.
In case of female rookies, I actually think that thing about beauty standrads is true and not true, I mean Moon Chae Won, Park Bo Young, Kim So hyun and Kim Yoo Jung , Park Shin Hye in my eyes are not beautiful, they are more on a cute side and have a girl next door look, like go outside and you see bunch of them, but there's some kind of energy in them probably that makes them stand out, in in many dramas I feel like male lead is better looking than female one and when I just started dramas I felt like the whole point of dramas was to show people that outside beauty is not important, usually they had plain looking female lead and stunningly beautiful supporting actresses playing bitch characters, so being classically beautiful in SK actually felt like a curse for an actress cause then she would be typecast as a bitch, but probably on the other hand Korean standards of beauty something I never understand ( like 2ne1 Dara or Gu Hye Sun), so I honestly think face, talent and such things are importnat, but more important are connections and the ability to charm people and knowing people, of course personality is important, I think one of a reason Kang Haneul being stuck in supporting roles is one of examples, he lacks charm and probably connections, but well, sometimes luck helps too

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It is my first time listening to your podcast bcs you lure me with ryu junyeol xD. Now that I finished listening, I ever wonder why LR is the first romcom that felt I am watching ryu junyeol real life dating. It is full of cheese ,not the one which made your finger curled, but the one which made you giggling, happy and ended up wanting more of the antics of je suho. They did give us more screentime of je suho, I couldnt be more happier ofc but strangely enough I didnt even get bored of him.

While we agree that noone could play je suho as realistically as ryu junyeol, I really want to see joo won taking je suho with his acting. I am curious as what his interpretation of je suho.

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he will be great...hahahaha..but will be different interpretation. while Je suho is stubbornly cute, romantic and antic, joowoon probably more sweet, cute and romantic.

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Am I the only one who's having a technical problem with the podcast? I downloaded it and in the middle of the recording, there seem to be some glitches. ?

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mine's fine though.. maybe there was a problem when you were downloading it?

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? I don't know, I downloaded it twice. Same thing. ?

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That happened to me too. Note that I am on mobile.

Try the Mirror link instead to stream, it worked for me.

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I'm on mobile too. I've tried the mirror but can't find the link. I'm gonna do this again tonight.

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Thank you. ?

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Okay until this podcast I had thought that Lee Jong-seok was the same guy as the one who acted in Blood. I blame it on the fact that him and Ahn Jae-hyun are both super pale. Now I can watch the rest of W without think man it's such as shame that this Lee Jong-seok guy is already married...

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I don't if the fact that it is 1:52am here, and I'm half asleep, had to do with me finding your comment hilarious ?

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Me too - that's so funny - they don't look alike at all.

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they are super pale and they used to be friend too!

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They look so different tho, if Jong Suk was in Blood it probably wouldn't flop so hard

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oh man, nothing about Police Squad 38. :(

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Hi there! It's my first time listening to your podcasts although I've been lurking/looking on this site for quite a long time because I love your recaps guise. :)

Btw, may I know the theme that played before you two started talking? The ones with "Hey girl.."

Thanks!!

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Was it “밀당” by Ashgray?

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The english name is Push and Pull by Ashgrey. It's really really great and I really recommend their other stuff even though it's a very different sound. :)

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Yay! New podcast!!

Thank you, thank you!

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I didn't like Kim Rae Won's character in doctors, I thought I was the only one. I absolutely understand what they were talking about regarding this character.

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He is so charming and simple sweeett boyfriend in doctors. I gt goosebump with his simple smile. I wonder how cn he act simple yet md my heart fluttered... hoho.
Maybe u love his though image like punch more. And what we like is totally personal preference. Everybody hve diffrnt preference (since im not into heavy drama so i happened didnt understnd why people liking complicated story but after some times, i finallyrespect others preference. Even with my friends, we got really different taste of drama)

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I found his character rather icky too.

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It is a matter of preferences. Some people like him in serious roles (Punch) another may say he is the like the perfect boyfriend as HJH in Doctors. IMO he portrays his characters in a very natural way and that is why I enjoy his works.

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I've tried all Suzy's dramas and I couldn't go beyong ep2. I don't understand how come Suzy continues to get roles. Her kind of "actresses" is ruining Korean dramas. I can't believe the drama producers pander only to the Kpop fans who I believe are smaller in number and in buying capability.

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She is really bad, not even idol actress bad, just plain bad. She is super pretty and likeable so that makes people trying to find excuses for her bad acting.People denying one of big reasons UF failed was Suzys acting or lack of it is what irritates me. Yes the story had missteps and it dragged in few parts but a good actress would make a story more engaging with her performance.

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I agree. One cannot help but think how different it would have been if a different actress, one with more experience in melo, had the role. I hope she looks at this as a learning experience and do what it takes to improve even if it means taking acting lessons and smaller roles or roles that fit her.

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Suzy would have been fine, if she had stuck to characters she could pull off (like sassy, haughty side characters) but she or her agency keep choosing (and she is offered) way too challenging roles for her actual skills. She really needs to stay in her lane and venture into bigger roles gradually after she has actually improved.
I still can't believe KBS actually gave her a best actress award, and over better actual actresses for that matter. That year she really just rode on her popularity from architecture 101 and her pretty looks and first love image and took home awards from KBS and Baeksang. Even after many viewers have expressed that her level of acting shouldn't have granted her such big roles, PDs still want to cast her (they actually prefer her over Park Bo Young lmao). When her bubble bursts, I really hope her management humbles down.

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Suzy seems to take acting roles more for 'actress image' and status to keep up her cf rates, than because she has any talent or even interest in acting.

There is no way she will ever step down to second lead roles instead of lead, not while she still has popularity and people keep offering her roles and finding excuses for her. JYP also won't allow it, unless the first lead is a much huger star.

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Her bubble has been intact for so long, I doubt it's gonna burst unless she retires

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