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Jealousy Incarnate: Episode 8

Change moves in today as our different factions wage their own battles to gain someone’s heart, be it by hook or by crook. Sung-sook and Ja-young seek Pal-gang’s, while Jung-won seeks Na-ri’s. But shippers, hold on to your hearts, because there’s a strong wind ahead as Hwa-shin begins to discover his. He’s got such a long way to go, and the question is, has he missed the boat?

EPISODE 8 RECAP

Jung-won wonders if Hwa-shin just set them up, telling them to date and everything, and Na-ri laughs in disbelief. “Why do you like me?” she asks Jung-won, “I feel like I’m so lacking.”

Jung-won disagrees and says they should work out precisely who’s lacking in what, starting with his own shortcomings. He tells her that he has no free time because he’s always working, and points out that she can wear whatever she likes, while he can only wear his own company’s clothes. She also has a nice work superior in Hwa-shin (hah, “nice” is not the word I’d use), while he tragically has no superior at all.

She laughs at him to stop, but he tells her he’s a beggar for her affections right now (specifically, a beggar for ae-jung, hee). He asks her why she can’t squabble freely with him like she does with Hwa-shin, and doesn’t budge until she agrees to treat him that way, too.

Hwa-shin broods in the men’s dorm, where Jung-won finds him. He asks how it went with Na-ri, and Jung-won admits she’s playing hard to get. A ghost of a smirk passes across Hwa-shin’s face at that, and with studied indifference, he asks Jung-won when he became interested in her.

Jung-won replies that it was since he met her on the plane to Thailand—which surprises Hwa-shin—when she sat in his seat like it was her own, delighted by what was clearly her first time flying. He tells Hwa-shin that when he was flying back—alone in first class—he thought how nice it would’ve been if she were there, too.

Hwa-shin shortly tells his friend to treat her well—she won’t hold out against him long, she’s not that type. Jung-won asks how he knows that, and Hwa-shin replies that he just does. He also tells Jung-won that he plans to move in with Pal-gang, to look after her, and Jung-won notes that that’s right below Na-ri’s place. On the other side of the wall in the women’s room, Na-ri slips into bed smiling.

The next day, Chef Rak visits Hyung’s grave to apologize for not yet carrying out his instructions about Pal-gang’s care. He says he needs to observe Sung-sook and Ja-young longer to figure out who will be best for her.

Ja-young and Sung-sook show up at work in identical outfits again. Ja-young mutters in disbelief about how the two of them can have such same tastes—in clothes, in food, in men. They jostle each other on the way out of the elevator, and exchange glares.

Hwa-shin runs into Sung-sook sneaking out of the office dressed in camo gear, but she refuses to tell him what she’s up to, only saying she’s off to holler from a mountain-top and he can come along if he’s curious. Haha.

Ja-young hops out of a movers’ truck in front of Pal-gang’s house/Rak Pasta, where another truck’s already unloading. She comes face-to-face with Sung-sook in shock. The women take one look at each other and Sung-sook hollers at her crew to unload double-quick and she’ll pay them triple.

Hwa-shin also pulls up amid the flurry, and bellows at the women for trespassing at his brother’s house. He himself has been waiting for Pal-gang’s permission to live with her, he snaps. He throws himself onto the mattress on the lift-bed, assuming it’ll stop the movers, but it doesn’t, and Sung-sook tackles him, urging the ajusshi to keep going up. Ja-young eggs her own team on via the stairs (also for triple-pay).

Now Chef arrives with Jung-won’s mom (who also happens to be his older sister) MADAM KIM in tow. Slack-jawed, they take in the all-out brawl taking place at Pal-gang’s front door. Hwa-shin blocks Sung-sook from entering, while Ja-young tries to get past them with a box of kimchi, which of course splits open and flies all over Hwa-shin. Everyone freezes, and Hwa-shin howls into the heavens.

Later, changing into a clean shirt, Hwa-shin contacts a realtor to find him a place as close to Pal-gang’s as possible.

Madam Kim looks in on Hwa-shin’s mom, who lies unresponsively in her bed. But Mom bolts up when she hears Madam Kim’s news that her ex-daughters-in-law have moved in with Pal-gang.

At school, Dae-goo nervously tells Chi-yeol that he’s decided to make Pal-gang his girl. “Do that,” Chi-yeol replies, unbothered. Dae-goo expected more reaction than that: “After all, Pal-gang kissed you, too,” he stammers. Chi-yeol just leaves.

Outside, Pal-gang lets the boys catch up with her, which Dae-goo quickly does, while Chi-yeol walks a little apart. Dae-goo asks her what it’s like living with two moms, and she says it’s similar to the feeling of kissing two boys.

The boys stop short, and she turns around. “Aren’t you guys jealous?” she asks, confused. “Especially you,” she says to Chi-yeol, when he steps right up close to her. He looks her in the eye, and with a sharp smile, he tells Dae-goo that Pal-gang doesn’t like either of them. “When a woman has someone she likes, she can’t kiss someone else,” he says, as Pal-gang gazes up at him.

Na-ri arrives at Jung-won’s workroom on his invitation, though not in the crop top he specifies. He wants to finish quickly and play, he murmurs, resting his hands on her hips. And then he grabs a measuring tape and measures her up and down, reminding her that he promised to sponsor her clothes, which from now on are going to be in “Pyo Na-ri size”. He explains that her clothing needed to be minimal for accurate measuring. “Don’t misunderstand,” he tells her, as he measures her bust. Haha.

Holding her by the waist again, he backs her up until she perches on the table, and holds her eyes. Are you sure this isn’t the playing part? Then he kneels down and takes off her shoes. Placing each foot on a mould, he stands her up again, his forearms clasped around hers.

Na-ri watches her pretty chaebol at work, drawing and cutting, until at last, she tries on the mocked-up dress he’s designed—to flatter a long-armed skinny like her, he says, smiling. She really likes it, she tells him, eyes shining.

Ja-young sits up in bed and wonders why Pal-gang’s not home yet, and Sung-sook pops up beside her. But they both throw themselves down again at the sound of her return, feigning sleep. Pal-gang opens their door and stares at them for a moment, before shutting it again, and the two moms (somehow clutching each other’s hands, lol) spring away from each other.

Under the covers in her own room, Pal-gang sobs for her father.

Na-ri arrives at work in good spirits, having collected her phone from the shop totally intact. She cajoles Hwa-shin to go to the hospital, but he shakes her off. Neither of them notice Joo-hee and two other weathergirls watching them. Their jaws drop when Na-ri puts a hand on Hwa-shin’s chest and then snakes another around his waist (asking if he’s still wearing the bra), looking for all the world like she’s feeling him up. Spotting the gaping girls, Hwa-shin puts an arm around her and leads her away.

In suppressed frustration, Hwa-shin tells her not to touch his body—his chest is his concern. She complains that he’s not taking care of himself, and when she sees him, she thinks of her mom. She asks him if he can’t entrust his bosom (where the word kaseum has the dual meaning of both chest and heart) to her. Something changes in his eyes as he stares at her, and above him, the amber man turns green.

In her car, Ja-young tells Hye-won that there’s about to be an anchor reshuffle, and advises Hye-won to set her eye on Soo-jung’s seat. She explains that if Sung-sook wins the seat traditionally held by male announcers, the otherwise female seat will be filled not just by a man, but a hotshot reporter, and that would be the end of announcers. They can never let that happen, she rails.

Just then, Na-ri and Hwa-shin walk by, tailed by the weathergirls. Hwa-shin hands Na-ri into the passenger seat, all gentleman-like, and turns away with a helpless grin. The weathergirls wonder if they’re dating.

His car passes in front of Ja-young’s, and she tells Hye-won that Hwa-shin will also be going up against Sung-sook for that spot, so Hye-won should use that to her advantage.

Na-ri’s happy they’re finally going to the hospital, but they argue when Hwa-shin says he wants to go eat (aka avoid treatment) instead. Frustrated, she makes him stop the car and grabs him by the hair, threatening to turn him over to Jung-won. In fact, she’s had enough of him, so if he’s determined to die, he can, she says, unbuckling herself.

He catches her arm and tells her he’s holding out for the anchor audition. If he has to go to the hospital every day through a gaggle of women, how can he hope not to be found out? And if he’s found out, he says Sung-sook and the others will rip him apart like a pack of hyenas. Na-ri says she won’t let him get found out, but he doesn’t budge. Annoyed, she leaves, and he watches her go.

But the next thing you know, we’re in hospital and a nurse calls out for “Pyo Na-ri-nim”. Na-ri’s hand shoots up…attached to Hwa-shin’s.

In her office, Dr. Geum explains that they’ve made an arrangement to protect his identity by using Na-ri’s name on everything (she also wonders why his hair is messed up…). Na-ri will be here with him, so he can just act like her guardian and no onlooker will be the wiser.

Hwa-shin worries that people will then think that Na-ri has breast cancer, but she’s okay with that—it’s stage one, so a full recovery is likely. She tells him to concentrate on getting better. After all, she points out, he’s the one who has to go through the gruelling therapy, she’s just going to be pretending.

Dr. Geum remarks that looking at them, it seems like the woman loves the man more, when it ought to be the other way around. Na-ri laughs at the implication and tries to correct her, but Doc argues that she even saw them kissing. Na-ri urges Hwa-shin to refute it, but he stays closemouthed. Dr. Geum chuckles that Hwa-shin is lucky to have found someone like Na-ri. Na-ri insists it’s not like that, and doesn’t notice Hwa-shin gazing at her.

Hwa-shin looks really nervous and laces his fingers with Na-ri’s as they enter the treatment room. While he receives the radiotherapy, in voiceover, we hear Dr. Geum’s instructions to him to avoid dairy and samgyupsal, and absolutely no alcohol or smoking. She reminds him that because he’s young, he could relapse and the cancer could spread quickly.

On the drive back, Na-ri gets a message from Jung-won saying, “Let’s eat,” and a beat too late, Hwa-shin asks the same. Smiling happily, she says she already has plans. Since it’s Jung-won, she invites Hwa-shin along, but he declines.

Soo-jung meets Hwa-shin when he gets back, and offers him a condolence envelope. She says they’ll see each other a lot after her marriage to Jung-won, which of course is the first Hwa-shin’s heard of it.

He calls Jung-won up and asks if he trusts him. Jung-won replies that he does. “I don’t trust you,” Hwa-shin tells him. Jung-won repeats Hwa-shin’s words to Na-ri, and says he must trust him to say such a thing to him. Na-ri asks if they’ve ever fought, and Jung-won says they’ve never had any reason to. Famous last words.

As they leave the newsroom, Hye-won tells Hwa-shin to have a drink with her. Over drinks (why are you drinking, Hwa-shin??), she gets straight to the point. She says she’s got the 9 o’clock female anchor position (Soo-jung’s spot) in the bag; he’s already a strong contender for the open position, but if he allies with her, his win will be a sure thing.

She leans over close enough to kiss, and notes that he doesn’t smell horrible after he eats, like her current colleague. He asks her if she has feelings for him. “Not yet,” she replies, and paints a picture of them holding hands under the newsdesk, dating, even marrying. Hwa-shin marvels at her brazenness and asks why him. She answers that he’s good at his job and totally looks down on her, which makes him cool.

That night, Hwa-shin’s treatment area itches. He pads over to the women’s dorm to ask Na-ri for some ointment, and admits he drank.

Oh noo, even with a face mask and facing away, you can tell that’s Joo-hee in Na-ri’s usual bunk (with a porcupine pillow, haha)! She just waves him away, but before he leaves, he tells her about where they should meet tomorrow so that nobody from the station sees them. He even (grumpily) pulls the covers over her bare shoulders because she might catch cold.

Na-ri steps off the elevator just as Hwa-shin turns the corner, narrowly missing him. She pauses at her dorm door, suspicious that Hwa-shin might be drinking. Back in his room, Hwa-shin is surprised that Na-ri didn’t bite his head off about that. Meanwhile, Joo-hee’s totally razzed thinking that they must really be dating.

The next day, PD Oh announces a mandatory-attendance company dinner for that evening, and adds that he’ll make important announcements about the anchor audition. Hwa-shin complains that they always go to the same samgyupsal place. The PD retorts that if he wants to go somewhere else, he can pay.

Na-ri sneezes her way to the hospital with Hwa-shin, and worries about how he’ll handle the company dinner when he can’t have either samgyupsal or alcohol. From around a corner, the weathergirls confirm the couple’s rendezvous.

At the company dinner, Na-ri watches Hwa-shin drinking and being fed samgyupsal by Dong-gi. She asks the serving ahjumma to bring her a plate of lean beef, which Na-ri deposits at Hwa-shin’s side with a quiet reminder. He grouses that this is how company dinners are and pushes her away.

PD Oh announces that the anchor auditions will be a live internal broadcast, and that he fought hard with the president to have the eligibility range include Hwa-shin and Sung-sook, who were nearly excluded by the original criteria.

One by one, the team offer salutes and bomb-shots. Na-ri becomes increasingly worried, and when it’s Hwa-shin’s turn, she slides in and intercepts his glass, downing it herself.

Put out, PD Oh pours Hwa-shin a fresh drink—which Na-ri also intercepts, followed by Hye-won’s and Dong-gi’s, too. Everyone starts whispering about her, but she keeps going, intercepting his every attempt, and getting more and more soused herself. When she at last returns to her table, he gazes at her, probably wondering if she has alcohol poisoning yet.

Now at a noraebang, Ja-young and Sung-sook take turns up front. PD Oh urges Hwa-shin up, too, but he waves it off. So it ends up being Na-ri, singing alone, while everyone has pretty much zoned out. As she’s about to shut it off, he picks up a mic and joins her to finish the song together.

Na-ri takes a seat again, looking queasy, and PD Oh calls out for Hwa-shin to do Kim Gun-mo’s Wrongful Meeting (lyrics here), which, ha. How terribly (in)appropriate! As he sings the song about introducing his girl to his friend and then realizing she likes the friend more than him, a montage of Na-ri and Jung-won’s meetings flash by.

Just as he sings the line about how the girl and the friend became lovers, Na-ri runs out, clutching her stomach. A moment later, Hwa-shin follows to see if she’s okay. She hurls her guts up in the bathroom while he waits outside.

A tipsy Soo-jung calls Jung-won to ask if he’ll pick her up. He’s currently with his mom, who guesses it was Soo-jung, and gets angry when Jung-won delegates the task to Secretary Cha. He’s about to leave without responding, but turns back at the last moment. He asks her if she wants him to live like she does, ignored by his father as if she doesn’t exist.

“I’m going to marry a woman I like,” he tells her. “Just concede that to me, and I’ll do the other ninety-nine things your way.” With a barbed smile, she tells him to concede on his marriage, and she’ll let him have his way on everything else. Ugh.

Hwa-shin piggybacks Na-ri back to the station. He asks if he should call Jung-won, but she says she doesn’t want him to see her like this. As he tucks her into her bunk, he scolds her for drinking so much. She tries to send him on his way, but he’s reluctant to leave and tells her to call if she needs anything. Slurring and half-asleep, she finds his sudden niceness weird.

Na-ri can’t fall asleep, afraid that she won’t be able to wake up for her morning broadcast. But she also feels unwell and really needs to sleep, and the dilemma sets her wailing that she’ll be fired.

Hwa-shin curls up by her, promising to wake her, and she finally quiets. On the bedside table, each of their phones vibrate in turn as Jung-won tries to reach one and then the other. But nestled together, they’re already asleep.

COMMENTS

At last, a much more definite shift in his feelings! He’s seriously spent half the episode gazing moon-eyed at her. And yet…I feel like we’ve reached the point more than once, where Hwa-shin realizes that he might actually like Na-ri, although we do creep a step for’arder each time. From sharing a room with their backs to each other, they’re now sharing a bed, and look at him, all cuddlebuggy now. This transition from apart to together also brings a really nice emotional symmetry to the episode, which has been building up to this quiet climax all hour.

The real problem is his godawful stubbornness. He really is lucky to have Na-ri, and in the grand scheme of things, I think she can be forgiven for poking his chest a couple of times given the huge commitment she makes to someone she has no responsibility towards. Going with him to the hospital (/dragging him there) every day for six weeks is a big deal, letting him use her name, constructing this whole scheme to protect his concerns…she doesn’t have to do any of that, but what I like so much about her is that as a natural caretaker, she does it without a second thought.

Is Hwa-shin’s fear of being found out disproportionate? Maybe not, given his competitive work environment, but his utter lack of self-care is frustrating, regardless of whether his future career on the line. How about, your future existence on this plane is on the line?! And that’s what makes me currently irritated with Hwa-shin, because it’s just irresponsible for a grown man not to take care of himself. I don’t think that’s a matter that is encompassed by personal choice—self-care is a matter of moral duty. You have a body, you have to take care of it. So I understand Na-ri’s interference and inability to stand by while he wrecks himself.

I don’t usually ship second leads (I know they’re doomed I AM EMOTIONALLY SMART), but last week, I found myself thoroughly, wholly, totally shipping Jung-won and Na-ri, and wanting this show to pick him. I take back what I said about him being bland (although! I still think he needs a few more lines in his face!). He’s a character who seems untouchable on the surface—rich, good-looking, emotionally mature, seemingly lacking in nothing despite his catalogue of his “faults” to Na-ri. But this conflict of wills between him and his mother that has just come to a head really deepens his character, touching him with a clarity that comes from emotional hardship and a struggle for personal agency. So it’s so saaaad that he’s not endgame. Cry with meeee.

I like how the show plays Hwa-shin’s jerk-with-the-heart-of-gold archetype in an entertainingly subversive way—Na-ri does quite quickly reject him as a viable interest, and she does find someone new—so I more than half-wish we could run with it all the way, Jo Jung-seok notwithstanding. I actually usually like jerk transformations (after fanatically hating them for half the show, obviously), but the slow development of this show, and therefore the characters, frustrates me a little—I’m certain we could compress the two episodes of the week into one without losing anything. The show could really do with some sharp tugs and tweaks to make it tighter, tangier and zippier, because while it’s full of really good standalone moments, they haven’t yet managed to sew themselves together into a cohesive whole.

I feel like Jealousy still hasn’t quite decided what kind of show it will be, whether it will be a workplace drama or a family drama, and as a result, certain aspects get much shorter shrift, like the family side of things. Look at how Na-ri spends no time at home (Chi-yeol needs you, too!) and the kids are always by themselves—but their storylines are prominent enough that you can’t dismiss them. Just give us more, show! Especially of sardonic sweetheart Chi-yeol.

We got some progress with Sung-sook and Ja-young moving in with Pal-gang, but Pal-gang herself remains elusive, and there’s not enough of her being real, like that flash of her crying under her covers. At this point, the pairing I’m covertly shipping is actually these two moms, and the prospect of a reluctant friendship/grudging respect between them is surprisingly tantalizing. What they have at the moment is probably closer to a ceasefire, but it is hugely entertaining that they end up in the same bed, somehow fighting on the same side to gain Pal-gang’s notice. Ha. But what I really want to see is how Hwa-shin will repair his relationship with her, and I hope that comes before he gets anywhere with Na-ri.

But those anchor auditions, though. Sung-sook should get the position just to spite everyone. I get that she’s not exactly a cuddly character, but she clearly rocks her job, and the constant barbs sent her way by men and women alike aggravate me. And what happened to Na-ri applying? She should. Steal it out from under them all!

 
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That was one sexy visit to the tailor :D. Ah, I'm going to miss our pretty chaebol when the main loveline eventually sidelines him. Though, this being a show all about jealousy, maybe he's here for the long run?

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What is it about guys sewing that's so appealing? Jungwon here, Kim hyung in Moonlight, Cha Inpyo in Laurel Tree Tailors. Those along with all the men cooking, I'm loving this kdrama season.

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It's the confidence and the skill ;). Gorgeous faces and manes of glory also contribute to the effect, if only slightly.

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Jung Won is not exactly sporting what I'd call a mane of glory but I'm wayyyyy past that now!

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More like an egg-head of glory. The hell is that haircut they gave him???

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loved the little reaction Na-ri gave when she noticed he combed it over on their dinner date! that was hilarious!

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It's domestic. And guys who do domestic things without even thinking at all about sexual stereotypes just are cool.

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I shall correct that last word to "cool and swoon-able".

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Well, there's a currently-airing drama where a female character does the sewing, but...

Anyway yeah, men and needles can be a sexy thing after all!

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Imma finish that for you. But...SOO ANNOYING. LOL

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Oh, she's not sewing. She's just stabbing herself in the finger with a needle and then crying.

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I vote this best comment of the day. Thanks for making me laugh XD.

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I literally held my breath a little at that particular scene. Swooonnnnn...

Taking maesurements has never been so sexayyy <3<3<3

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I'm definitely shipping these two IRL!

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Me too.. I get second syndrome because jung won was so cool~

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Loving this drama .. Such a gem .. Hwa-shin better get his act together if he wants to get the girl.Thanks for the recap

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I can't root for him to win the girl...he had 3 years!! And NOW he's got feelings for her - like someone else mentioned, it is his competitive drive that kicked in when he saw his friend and NaRi like each other.

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The way I see it, it's not like Hwa Shin didn't like her back 3 years a go. Maybe he liked her too, but he always sees himself as undeserving jerk ever since he ruined his brother's life. He even said that one of the reasons he doesn't want to be treated is because he doesn't deserve to live.

That's why he told Na Ri couple times that she has such a bad preference on guy... and to meet a better guy and marry him.

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I'm utterly convinced Hwa-shin always liked her, it's just that we only know Nari's side of the story from years ago.

He doesn't think he deserves anything (even if he pretends to be an arrogant jerk on the outside) – he's a completely different person once you peel back his protective shell.

I like Jung-won, but Nari is crushing on him like you would on the most handsome guy in high school that you don't think you're good enough for. Jung-won sort of does the same with her, dressing her up, like a pretty doll – he means well and is a nice guy... but ultimately the "realer" relationship is between Nari & Hwa-shin, farting in front of each other, revealing all fears related to the cancer, carrying drunk Nari home (a state she doesn't want Jung-won to see her in).

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I think he might have liked her too. From the flash backs I don't think he really had much time to get to know her, but he starts acting jealous right from the beginning. The first thing he tells her s not to let her eyes wander. I know he meant for her to pay attention to her work, but the minute Jung Won showed up Hwa Shin told her it again. I wonder if it's not so much that he doesn't like her as he somehow doesn't feel worthy of being in a happy relationship anymore. It seemed like pre move to Bangkok he was nice, and not Crusty McGrumpypants. Maybe after what he did to hung, he's trying to punish himself. For a person who does 'the like Na Ri he sure spends a lot of time keeping track of, worrying about and defending her. Also, I feel the amount of times he told her to go get married to someone better are a bit suspicious. He also spends a ridiculous amount of time insisting that she can't be over him yet.

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I was thinking he had 'fled' to Thailand, so the crush was put on hold for three years. Perhaps if he did not leave then, there might have been a chance.

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Go Kyung Pyo!
Doesn't matter if the JungWon-NaRi ship doesn't sail. I ship JungWon with myself hahahahahahaha

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Why do I get the feeling that he actually loved her when she was having a crush on him?

I liked the scene when he was singing that friend song. His voice is so nice. I remember people were going for his voice in Ghost but I didn't get it but now I understand them.

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About him loving her while she had a crush on him, I think so too.

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I'm also suspicious that he liked Na Ri back when she had a crush on him but i think he didn't try anything because of his brother/family situation.

Jo Jung Seok is a musical singer so i expected him having a great voice, but is great when dramas use this information to get us a singing scene from him :D and the song was so appropriate too, i lol just thinking about it.

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The JungWon-NaRi ship better sail for at least a while! haha, they're so awesome together! I want to enjoy some second-lead syndrome success before it all falls apart lol.

I also hope that Jung Won and Hwa-Shin can maintain their friendship despite all the drama that might ensue in the coming episodes. Their friendship is at such a high level, I'd hate to see something like this drive a wedge between them!

I can't wait for this week's episodes!!

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It's been established that they like the same type of girl and they banter/joke about it, but they have such a strong bromance that I think it'll eventually override the jealousy.

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This show's all about unorthodox relationships and debunking the "blood being thicker than water" thing, so I hope that after all the jealous hijinks, misunderstandings (and even noble idiocy), they'll come through with their family ties stronger than ever!

I do think that Jung-won's very lonely and longs more than anything for Hwa-shin to be his family. Like Pyo Na-ri, Jung-won's good at taking care of others, so I hope he makes sure the bromance stays alive!

Still, I'm wondering when we'll get to the root of the mystery about Na-ri's stepmother ...

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I'm just really super happy that she actually really likes him back right now. I can never take it when it's totally one sided. This way, even if I have SLS, I'll have to move through it with her because she's got some definite feelings for Jung-Won.

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Thank you Saya for the recap.

Loved ep 8!

I really love when Pyo Nari feels Hwa Shin's chest. I just dont feel awkward watching those scenes. I think i might be the only one who feels like this? who cares.

If Hwa Shin really does hurt Pyo Nari at the end, i would literally strangle that guy. You could easily see, how much Pyo Nari takes care of him, his pride and his health. I teared up when she drank the drinks which was originally to Hwa Shin, since doctor advised to avoid alcohol. She really would be a great gf, wife, and mother. ( I know the wife and mother and wife part is extreme, but one can dream)

Loved the last scene, where Hwa Shin just stayed by Pyo Nari's side. Atleast now she has three guys ( Chi-yeol included) to take care of this hardworking woman, who sacrifices her happiness, for her brother and her dream.

JungWon would be the most hottest tailor i have seen around. He does have great chemistry with Pyo Nari. and his smooth talking is a a bonus, along with the nice suits and the dazzling smile which is icing on the cake.

I want a sequel on this drama, where only Chi yeol ,Ppal Gang and Dae gu should be the focus.

Finally love love love the doctor and the nurse. Hwa Shin got promoted from an Old grandma to 30+ woman called Pyo Nari. That totally hurt his pride.If there is a picture frame of him being all prideful, in his room, then i bet the glass would crack bit by bit every time he gets called by a woman's name.

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The way Hwa-shin was staring at Na-ri was <3 She's such a gem and he's starting to realise that. Why does Jung-Won have to be so perfect? He's everything I want in a man lol.
Pal-gang is my least favourite character in this show. I just don't get her. I dunno if it's the character or the actress but I just can't with her.

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It's both. I just fast forward all her scenes lol.

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Me too. But I fast forward the moms too, I don't feel sympathy for them, they just annoy me

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Ack - that scene with Jung Won getting all up close and personal measuring Na Ri, there are just no words. *fans self. Go Kyung Pyo is a romance jedi - the smoldering looks and sexy scenes are strong with this one...

I won't mind GKP not being the end game here id, and only if, he IS the end game in his next drama...which airs soon...like right away...or now...

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Lol - see? He has me so done in, I can't even type correctly. That was supposed to be *if and only if...

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I screamed my lungs out at that scene. LOL. My heart was just..... I don't know what JungWon is doing to me, but I swear I'm gonna be heartbroken once he gets his heart broken toooooo

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Second.
I held my breath and swooned inside simultaneously at the scene. Really like the styling of GKP in this drama. He looks really smexy and yummy. His height and physical shape opposite to GHJ's makes it more fluttering.

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Seriously! They look so good together!

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That whole scene, it just oozed subtle sexy it's insane. I never doubted GHJ's ability to create chemistry with her co-stars, but GKP just brought himself to a whole new level of sexy on this scene. I never thought I would actually say that about him!

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I think he may have just knocked SJS (Master's Sun) off his pedestal with GHJ!

After all, what are SL ships for? Row harder, Jung-won, row harder!!

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Oh we're so doomed! Although Hwa-shin is growing slowly on me. I'm sure they'll turn it up with him and Na-ri in the next few episodes, but how do you top that?

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There are many many things I love about this drama. And that's why it keeps me sleepless thinking about what might happen nextweek...
Love love all the characters except PalGgang, I just can't connect with her even if I'm also a "teenager".
This ep was fun and it kept me squealing over JungWon. XD I mean, that part where he made a pretty dress for NaRi was just so heart fluttering. ?
I was like, is his exes still alive?? How did they survive with such a guy?? ? He's almost perfect! I'm actually waiting for the time where JungWon will start getting jealous of HwaShin too and how he's gonna deal with it. Will it reveal some of his flaws or will he stay perfect to my eyes? Aff.
And omg! That Wrongful Encounter song fits Hwashin's situation so much. Lmao.
His feelings are starting to show now... Will he be able to hide it just like his precious bra? ?

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- After 8 episodes the writers still weren't able to sell me Hwa Shin as a good match for Pyo Na Ri. He just seems like a big man child with an overblown ego lacking any sense. His interest in Na Ri doesn't come of as a sincere change of heart but more like hurt pride that she's interested in his best friend and is 'really' moving on from him this time. They work as friends and co workers but I can't imagine a romance where Pyo Na Ri won't have to be compromised as a character. It doesn't help that the second lead is actually a mature and respecting man. Pursuing Na Ri without pushing her. She can fully be herself and isn't the one to give but to receive with him.

- Ppalgang is just annoying. Maybe it's the acting but I hate how self centered and bratty she is without consideration for other's feelings. I know the character is supposed to be the link that draws everyone together but I'm really rolling my eyes everytime she's on screen. At least her two moms' hilarious fighting scenes gives me very much joy.

- Seo Ji Hye caught my eyes this episode. I already liked her in 'Punch' and her bitch faced confession to Hwa Shin was really attractive for unknown reasons. It's probably the pretty face but I couldn't look away. Not that I want her to end up with Hwa Shin since their characters both seems like big spoiled egomaniacs and I doubt it would work out.

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I honestly think that Hwa Shin being jerk comes from his self loathing. There is clearly something he did wrong to his family. I think that's also why he didn't go to get treatment and why he's sabotaging his chances with Na Ri. I think he feels like he doesn't deserve it.

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Totally. It's why he does dangerous things like the window washing story, too (although I can't think of other examples). But dude, it's dangerous for the cameraman as well ...

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ah you finally make it clear nof for me, I always thought that not only he himself aware he is such a big jerk he choose to be that, not that he wants to make people love him more. and that's what he did to his feeling toward Pyonari

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This makes sense, thanks for pointing this out! He was already very high-prided and principled, which in turn caused his brother's spiral to death. He must feel very guilty about this and brought it upon himself to carry his own burdens.

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Yeah it's definitely a huge defense mechanism

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So nice that the writer gave Jung Won actual skills. It seems like chaebol men only sign documents and sit in meetings in most dramas. The pattern cutting scene was charming and well filmed. Almost as good as watching a man cook for you.

Looked up the original version of Wrongful Meeting by Kim Gun Mo on YouTube - very catchy and can understand why it is still a karaoke favorite after many years.

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Am loving this drama even the slow pace.

I like the down to earth chaebol portrayal but JUNG WON  is a baby *literally* compared to HS and NR. These two have been tested by the hard knocks of life and come out stronger. I think the casting was excellent - he looks so youthful and beautiful. Heroines in kdramaland always go for the alpha male and HS is definitely the alpha here.

HS went against his family and JW can't yet stand up to his mother. When will he make his stand - when the wedding cards are printed? Isn't it weird that the besties have never fought, not ever? His problems are meh (can't wear other brands) I wonder if this friendship isn't weaker (I could be wrong) than it seems. How will JW do when his mettle is really tested?

Also, why does NR insist on being an announcer. With her personality and delivery style she looks like she could have done well as a reporter. Perhaps lack of a mentor to show her the other roads? I wish ex wife1 would take NR under her wing. Wouldn't be suprised if she was behind NR keeping her job.

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I think Hwa Shin's "I don't trust you" was definitely forshadowing. He doesn't want Na-ri to get hurt. Really liked this episode, this love triangle is going to be killer. ?

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I thought I wanted this show to go all the way and break the (kdrama)rules and have NaRi and Jung Won end up together.

Of course that won't happen, And in thinking about that I realized I might prefer Plan B, in which NaRi and Jung Won break the (kdrama)rules and enjoy a long, passionate and adult relationship for several episodes. Let's try a show where the girl gets both boys for once! Then they can figure out how HS manages to win her over after he's spent oodles of time becoming a grown up man. Dealing with the fallout of all that certainly wouldn't be the same old kdrama.

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If Jung Won does not get PNR in the end, I'm all for Plan B. Or Plan C, Jung Won gets a spin off where he becomes the male lead and gets the girl... anything to get more Jung Won on my screen.

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Oh goodness, Peeps did a swoonfest of gifs like the one you requested along with others from JI and Moonlight. You should definitely check it out! :-)

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I hope Plan B happens. We have some hope, with 16 episodes more to go!

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I totally ship this. It would be the best case scenario

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I am on board for her getting both guys! Just not sure the friendship between Jung Won and HwaShin would come out unscathed and that would make me sad, too. I love their bromance.

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The sexual tension is truly off the charts in this drama, wow. It makes me realize how much I missed that aspect of a romantic set up in the more "pure" first love etc. narratives that are so often prioritized in dramaland. Adult relationships, where one half of the triangle are also functional friends? Yes, please.

I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH. It made me laugh and then stop because I realized I probably shouldn't be laughing at whatever I was laughing at- which is an extraordinary feat.

Also, Go Kyung Pyo's understated delivery of "I'm beginning for your affection right now" is one of my most favorite moments in any drama recently. It's not at all the kind of line you expect to be delivered by a character like him. Pyo Nari is resplendent, I absolutely adore her. And Grumpy McGrumpypants is equally compelling, and doesn't have any predictable copy-pasted tsundere traits, but is neurotic, and irritable, but basically a decent enough guy, with an odd, inflated sense of self-worth, coupled with crippling insecurities, and very, very real.

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*begging for your affection. Ah, how I wish DB had an edit button!

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I feel exactly the same! You always take the words right out of my mouth. I'm so obsessed with this show.

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I laughed so hard when the box of kimchi burst and the music right then was the choir of angels that sings in Cinderella. I'm going to say it every episode probably, I love the music director!

I'm glad we got to hear the lovely singing of JJS, hope to hear it more.

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That choir of angels is making its rounds in this show and yes, it did remind me of Cinderella!

Can we have JJS back on an acoustic guitar and sing something other more than Give me your chocolate??

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Yes! Bring on the guitar! Perfect way to make Jungwon jealous.

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I'd love JJS guitar and vocals as he dances and spins in a blue sequin jacket!

But I remember Go Kyung Pyo ain't no mean singer himself - he did a bit for the Flower Boy Next Door OST (with Kim Seul-gi. GKP's bit starts at 2:10). He's got a manly voice to match his persona in Jealousy Incarnate!

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Okay, I vote for a sing-off between Hwa Shin and Jung Won for Na Ri's affection!

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I must have missed something in the first episodes but I just don't get why the two moms are suddenly fighting over Palgang (why don't we call her 'Red'?). It must be about money, ultimately, because I missed why she was taken out of her stepmom's house and has to be hidden. This part of the story annoys me because it feels so disjointed....or maybe I'm the one disjointed!

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I think Red chose to go with dad. They were being supported by grandma in hiding. Stepmon chose to divorce her dad than be the wife of a bankrupt fraudster.

I think both moms genuinely love her and want to take care of her.

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Yes, they do love her. It would be cute if in the end the three of them decide to live together and be a family.

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I vote that both moms end up becoming BFFs! Cause that would be a really good tandem. But more sniping, bickering, evil ploys and man hunting from these two mommas!!

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Palgang (why don’t we call her ‘Red’?)

Why don't we call Susan "lily" or why don't we call Charles "man"? We call her PpalGang because that's the name she recognises and identifies with, whatever it may mean in English. Even if she's just a character, it doesn't sit well that we change her names for our convenience.

It's like asking an east asian kid, or an indian kid or an arabic kid: "why don't you have an English name?"

Frankly, I hate it the most when English speaking people go, "wow, chinese/japanese/korean/indian/etc etc names are soooooooo difficult to remember!" or "I can't pronounce it!" without really trying. And then the worst is "imma call you Elizabeth".

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Lol about the names. Mine is Rehab (an Arabic name with a toooooootally different meaning than it does in English), and living in the US makes life interesting. Living in the South, I get called Reba on a regular basis. It's funny watching people squirm trying to figure out what to call out when I've ordered something at a fast food place. Is that evil?

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Reba? Why Reba?

Is that evil?

No, not really, hee. Discomfort never scarred anyone.

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Reba because Americans can pronounce it? Because the right letters are there and that 'h' is in the way? Rehab isn't even a hard name! It might've helped if there were an extra 'a' in the second syllable (i.e. Rehaab), but really, even if it's not slavish to phonetic spelling, people should be able to get it right just by hearing you say it. I can understand getting it wrong the first few times you see it, but after you get told, you really need to make more effort.

I met this Somali woman at work the other day, and she told me her name was Raaxo -- pronounced just like that. Now I'm a bit familiar with Somali spelling conventions, so looking at it in writing, I knew how it was meant to be pronounced - 'Raaha' (or 'Raa7a', if you're Arab), and I asked her why she uglified her name like that - she said it was because that's how everyone said it. That made me so sad.

Discomfort is where you GROW, and people need to be pushed. They do just fine with long-up, complicated European names, but they 'struggle' with the so-so-foreign two-syllable (it doesn't matter how many syllables tbh) Asian or African names. It's just another kind of racism/colonial thinking, and it needs to be challenged.

I read this a while back (also about an Arab girl), it's good: http://the-toast.net/2014/01/15/the-names-they-gave-me/

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That page I linked? I just reread it. It's amazing. Everyone should read it.

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LOL, I just use a fake fast food name, Anna, which isn't remotely anything close to my name, but I'm just tired of repeating it 19 times and spelling it out for them.

Actually once when I worked at Starbucks, I asked for a name from an Asian girl and she said Anna, and I said that that was my fake takeout name, and she laughed and said it was hers too. Her real name was a Japanese one.

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My Fake name is Mary..because if they ask me to repeat it, I'd sing "Mary had a little lamb" as a consolation. #truth

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I think you're kind of blowing up over nothing. Red is just shorter to type than Ppalgang, plus since it's a native Korean word name (not a Chinese character name) it is literally like being named Red in English. Some people *are* called Red in English, lol.

I understand the ignorant attitudes of certain people are irritating, but the time to react is maybe when someone is actually being offensive.

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"I think you’re kind of blowing up over nothing."

...no. Really, no, because the struggle to have your name respected is real. I don't think it's okay to tell people not to be offended when you say their name wrong/decide to call them something that isn't their name. (see: https://youtu.be/Dd7FixvoKBw)

DF subs are the only ones that translated Ppalgang's name out, and I really don't see any good reason for them to have done so, because it's *not* English. I'd keep the name looking like a Korean name just to make it work in the English, so you don't end up with an Aerith-and-Bob effect.

If you were really to translate the name out, it works better to go for 'Scarlet'. People aren't really called 'Red' (or 'green', Entertainer) in English, even if it's technically 'possible'. And since we've arrived at Scarlet...should Scarlett Johansson's name be translated into the local language for 'red' wherever she goes? Should she be called Ppalgang Johans-adeul in Korea? Just because it can be translated?

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THANK YOU.

That was the point I was trying to make and you just very eloquently explained it so well. I didn't actually explode up there at all. If I did, it would have been so much worse than what I wrote.

But lunatic4kd asked why, so I just answered.

Also, DF was the one who translated her name to Red? And called GeuRin Green??? Liking that site lesser and lesser by the day.

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I fully agree with you. In my country we have many immigrants who choose to adopt an easier to pronounce name. If I meet any, I always make it a point to ask for their real one, learn how to pronounce it and use that.

However, Geu-Rin in "Entertainer" was called Green by the bandmates, and there was this symbolic thing about the green umbrella. So in the show itself there was a wordplay about her name - therefore in that case, and only in that case, I think the subtitlers were possibly justified in writing that.

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So, I agree with the fact that the fault is with Dramafever on this one.

Personally, I was confused the opposite way...like why are they calling her 'Red', in the subs when that isn't the name the character is called in the actual drama by the other actors.

If someone was hearing impaired etc or only follows subtitles than they might not pick up on the fact her name actually ISN'T Red.

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Hi. My name is DramaMama and I am a subtitles-requiring, English speaking, kdrama addict. I confess that, even though I am NOT hearing impaired, I totally thought Palgang's name was Red (I assumed it was a nickname, since it is not unheard of as a nickname in the US.)

For me, it wasn't cultural insensitivity, it was simply a trick of the brain. Like how sometimes I totally think I can understand Korean because I've spent so many hours reading English and hearing Korean - sometimes my brain mixes it all up and I think I have actually heard what I am reading. I did wonder why they were calling her such an English nickname as Red. And I even wondered why she wasn't referred to as Red here on DB because I thought in my brain that she was actually being called "Red" by everyone.

So I understand Lunatic4kd's question and don't necessarily think it was asked out of insensitivity or ignorance. Thanks to Dramafever's subs for this little mess - enhanced by the language barrier. But hey, it is yet another opportunity for a discussion and a good laugh.

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That's why i had to redownload the subtitle not ripped from DF to avoid confusion and be consistent.
Coz the first time i heard "RED".. Huh? Who's RED?
Then I google translate Red just to get to understand ?

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I can see how it seems like it's not a big deal, but names are a very sensitive subject. I went to a multicultural school were many people felt forced to change their names to be more American and some kids faced teasing if they didn't. The fact is, while the meaning of her name is Red, her name is not Red.But I think the original question- why don't we call her Red- wasn't offensive and actually sparked an interesting discussion. I wanted to hear how people felt about this subject.

Would it be easier to call her Red? I don't actually think so. When I was watching Entertainer I was soooooo confused why dramafever subtitled her name "Green." It took me forever to figure it out. When I first started watching Kdramas, I was super confused by the fact that names were used in subtitles but I never heard them. I thought I was just not hearing them because the language sounded different to me, but I later realized names were being used instead of titles like 'Oppa' or 'Sunbae'so as not to confuse the English speaking audience. But since often these terms (at least the relationships that necessitate using them) are plot related, it was more confusing for me to have them omitted. That's why I think using "Red' would actually be confusing. 'Red' in English is often a nickname because of red hair. If she was called that I would be waiting for an explanation of why that is her name (and the non-nick name 'Redd' I have only come across being used for older males.) There are also a lot of Korean names that don't have an English equivalent that is used as a name. So just translating one or two would be complicated.

And from a personal veiwpoint, I don't like when others change my name. My name is a typical American name, but it is spelled differently. I try to understand when people persistently spell it the 'normal' way, but after awhile it gets old. They will be looking at my name on facebook and still write to me using the other way. I wonder why they feel like my name is so wrong they can't use it.

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Please know that I meant NO disrespect when asking about Palgang vs. Red. I am actually obsessed with the correct use of correct names. It's just that I haven't heard the name 'Palgang" as spoken by the characters probably because it is going over my head and I am just looking at the subtitles as I see them. I am committed to the correct use and pronunciation of all Asian names - and all non-Asian names. Our names are important! That's why i was asking - because I wasn't hearing (or seeing) her correct name! For instances, my real name is Christina - and absolutely NOT Christine - which people lazily use when first meeting me. I will gently correct when possible. So I just wanted to know why we're seeing the name "Red" instead of 'Palgang' - when most drama subtitles tend to try to be correct with the right name.

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No, no, I got it. Sorry if I came off as harsh.

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Lol - I did the same thing as you LUNATIC4kd! I replied with my reasoning/experience above, but I was equally as confused/curious as you were regarding Palgang/Red.

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Maybe, just maybe, the commentator was just giving a nickname to the character that seems cute to say too.

I am going to say I do not agree with your "omg I swear you are being so offensive" tone in the post, assuming all sorts of politcal baggage (and actually most lyemotional baggage when you went "I hate it when..." and came up with a stereotype) because someone suggested, maybe, we can call her Res? That was, frankly, reverse snobbery/obnoxiousness.
I am also not going to step into the argumentive framework of whether or not calling Ppalgang by another name means there is some disrespecting going on there by an English-speaking person.
I am going to ask you instead what justifies your behaviour in going after someone in a Dramabeans forum? Is it because you think that educating others on respecting the names people are given helps to advance your crusade in standing up for East-Asian, Indian, Arabic kids?
If so, say it nicely. You were almost being a bully there.

I come from a multicultural Asian background, the older generation have problems pronouncing my English name, and even my parents used the wrong pronunciation when calling me (and they named me!) I usually use an easier nickname when identifying myself to the older generation. They are grannies/granddaddies who have only been exposed to their particular dialects for their lives, they try to remember but it is difficult. I don't expect some sort of perfection in calling me rightly from them.

In Japan, you sometime don't even get to be called your proper name, or surname. After a while people call you by a nickname based on a modification of your name. I also modify my name so that it is easier to remember for them.
In India, the nicknames are even...cuter. So it is in Thailand, and Phillipines.

Even I would have trouble with some Asian names and Myanmese, Vietnamese friends, or even Irish and French people will introduce themselves by an easier version of their name.

You can always insist on this right to be called the way you demand, but probably it's more of a problem in developed nations, when people fight for asking people to respect their chosen identity. If so may I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and make sure you pronounce every Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, Russian, Polish etc etc name correctly with perfect intonation and don't forget it, whenever you meet people with that particular name. Don't just use yourself as an example and get offended when people get your name wrong, go out there and make an effort to get the names of others right and show how much you care for them as people and not as cases to make your offended arguments on.

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I completely agree with you Wanwen.

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The Viki subtitles translate Palgang to "Red". I wondered why the girl had the name Red. She doesn't have red hair, so I thought Red was a nickname. But now, thanks to you all on DB, I know her actual non-translated name is Palgang. And yes, I agree, names should not be translated.

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The characters in Pick the Stars had names that meant Red, Orange, Green, Purple but were always referred to in recaps and in subs by their Korean names.

The site where I watch Jealousy Incarnate used Ppalgang in the subs, then on ep8 she became Red and I was really put off by it, so I'm glad to see this discussion here.

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Food for thought (just a list of Korean names that have meaning of their own meaning)
Ppalgang (it's on her name tag, JI) =Red
Hwashin (JI)= Incarnate
Sungsook (JI)=Mature
Bora (common Korean name, AM88)= Purple
Yuri (another common Korean name)= Glass
Noeul (AM88)= Sunset
Mirae (City Hall)= Future
Jandi (BOF)=Grass/Weed

Wouldn't it be funny if all those names above be translated/subbed into its original meaning?

Personal feelings aside, the point I'm trying to make is names are meaningful and even if they mean something entirely, it should be spoken out as it is, as everything begins with a name. I was a former subber, and I think names should be subbed with care as it gives the uniqueness to the characters.

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I am a viki subtitler/moderator as well, and I always make it a point to keep all the oppas and ajhussis out there, but with an explanation in parenthesis the first time it is mentioned in the drama (because for some of the viewers it might be the first kdrama they watch).
So maybe a solution for the names would be to do the same thing, add an explanation to the name the first time it is mentioned, and all the rest of the time keep it in the original form.

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Thanks for the recap. For once dramagods, let the second lead get the girl. Jung Won is perfect for Pyo Nari. He has shown his sincerity time and time again. She deserves someone who sees her strong points, loves her for who she is and who is very willing to take care of her. And I'm glad that he is taking steps in taking responsibility for liking Pyo Nari by telling his mom to give him the right to choose whom to marry.

As for Hwa Shin, I'm glad that he has now admitted to himself that she likes Pyo Nari. But right now I still don't think that he deserves her. It will be fun watching him experience one-sided love this time. But I hope that it will not destroy the bromance between him and Jung Won.

The first few episodes were hinting on PNR wanting to try out for the announcer position but I guess it got sidetracked by Hwa Shin's illness and loveline with Jung Won. I hope that it will still be part of PNR's character development and I pray that she gets the position even if it means winning against Hwa Shin.

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+100000000000 on your comment!!!
Why can't second lead gets the girl for God's sake??!! I think the only drama where SL gets the girl is Fashion King.
I also dont thinj it is appropriate for HS to finally get the girl. I mean come on... His best friend confides his crush/love to HS, and if he is still pursue the girl after that.. Than he is just a 100% asshole.

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Or they become anchors sitting side by side together? So far Nari have been supporting Hwashin in his treatments but i feel the latter has also been supporting her in her career in small ways (like standing up for her when she got fired). I hope in the future, both of them run for the anchor position with hwa shin mentoring nari!

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Again, so much sexy in this show. That measurement/tailor scene... Whew. Jung Won, when Pyo Na Ri eventually breaks your heart, can you come out of Dramaland and... make me a dress? Lol.

Also, for some reason, that dress reminds me of the plaid one Tae Gong Shil was wearing when she got possessed by that pianist's wife. Must be the construction.

Holy crow. I just realized. Jung Won? As in Joo Jung Won. O.O

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I have a feeling Na Ri would incur Hwa Shin's jealousy professionally. She is conscientious with her work, and then her presentation during her new time slot is pretty intuitive (windswept handbok and all that sneezing). Maybe she'll be in the running or for some reason even get the job. And that would totally stick to Hwa Shin's craw.

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HW admires her work and has been pretty vocal in defending her behind her back. I think the jealousy will come from her colleagues who will be out to sabotage her.

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Professional jealousy from her colleagues is already a given. Also, HS and NR never fought for the same position.

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That's very true.

Even more so when you consider that he has been critical of others at the station – e.g. the announcer lady that is hitting on him.

He knows good work and appreciates it.

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totally shipping the two moms <3

and hwashin/nari/jungwon ot3

if only kdrama land wasn't so tragically straight 99% of the time *sighs dramatically*

between Hwashin here and Haesung over on Fantastic, I'm in ridiculous over-the-top jealous first lead heaven and I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE SO HILARIOUS AND ENDEARING TO ME BUT I'M OK WITH IT
keep being petty!

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High-five to a fellow OT3 shipper!! xD

Indeed, also impatiently awaiting the day I actually get a 2nd lead guy really in love with the main ~male lol, & maybe it takes a girl to finally bring them together.. ;P

Or vice-versa, of course haha- those 2moms do have potential!

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I sooooooooo agree with you about SungSook. It's no wonder that she's such an intensive worker and angry fighter. No one gives her any slack, like at all. And she has to fight for herself, constantly. It's like in Jealousy's world, being a susccessful and assertive woman is a crime.

I still don't get why HwaShin's family was against her marriage to HwaShin's brother and why they're treating her like that.

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peeps Peeps PEEPS!!!
You are the best!
Your gifs are great and I'm saying that just seeing Jung Won and he's not even moving yet *swoooooon* because I'm taking so long to d/l! The look on his FACE I can't EVEN, and I really can't even because I'm already late for dinner, so-
Can't wait to get back to take them all in,
In the meantime everyone click on Peeps' name above and enjoy her Art of the Swoon ❤️❤️❤️

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and he’s not even moving yet

Pffffft, what is this, hahahahahha.

You're welcome!

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Where can i see the GIFs?!?!

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Clicking on Peeps' name (in yellow) will link you to her site and the gifs. Wheeee, have fun!

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Well, the working world is still pretty sexist with top positions being occupied by mostly males. For a female to beat her male counterpart to the top position in the corporate world, she has to be assertive and i think more often than not the assertiveness is interpreted as aggressiveness in a female, whereas if it's in a male,ut may just be confidence.

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Yes, completely agree. And it's just sad and maddening, really.

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HS will be so happy that NaRi's phone works and he doesn't have to buy her a new one, but I have a feeling he's still going to pay a big price for throwing it in the toilet. Like, someone at the repair shop saw and will leak the bra video ?

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Ever
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I've never had a second lead syndrome... until now. I mean, I do like the main male lead too. But Jung-won is just too darn attractive.

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As much as I am loving Go Kyung Pyo here, I am still on hwashin's ship. Jo Jung Suk has this amazing way of subtly conveying a myriad of feelings on his face within seconds doesn't he? I noticed this especially in the closeup shot of him after Nari downs all the shots for him. Even though jo jung suk is taken, I still ship him with gong hyo jin. I somehow think that they complement each other well looks wise and I can imagine them in real life as an ordinary ahjhussi ahjumma couple in their, nagging at each after coming back from work. ?

Shout out to gong hyo jin who I feel shouldn't be overshadowed by the male candy. She looks beautiful here and acts even more beautifully.

Also, did jo Jung suk sing wrongful encounter himself?

Really liked how nonchalantly the scene with the two of them singing was directed. If it was another drama, there would have been at least a lingering shot of them making eye contact. ?

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Can we take a moment to appreciate that lovely dark blue shirt Jung-won wore while in the sewing scene? Wow... ?

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Amen

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I just finished marathoning the first 8 episodes and am finally done catching up…phew! what a ride so far!! I haven't had this bad of second lead syndrome in a LONG time….Jung Won is absolutely swoon-worthing and that tailoring scene had me blushing.

I do like the subtle ways Hwa Shin is finally discovering his feelings for Na Ri - although I am very suspicious that he's harbored feelings for her as long as she did for him…something about the way he looks at her…..

Loving his show so far, just hoping we don't lose steam since we're only one third of the way through!

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I'M TOTALLY INTO THIS DRAMA! And I ship everyone here LOL From Nari-Hwashin to Jungwon-Hwashin (that bromance) to Jungwon-Nari (this is love! ha). Still confused which ship I should abandoned >< I even drool to that sexy chef ahjusshi.
About the tailor part, could anyone tell me the EXACT LOCATION of his boutique? I wanna tailored by him! LOL

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JW measuring NR: Sexiest. Scene. Ever.
That is all.

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I finished 8 episodes this weekend. A few things I noticed:

1. The writer did her research regarding the details of the various professions: medical, TV newscasts, and tailoring. For the first time, I'm not annoyed by what happened in those professional settings. I love the nurses and the doctor as well.

2. I'm actually surprised this is on the Big Three. This style of seems appropriate in one of the cable channels. Still, I'm happy where it is.

3. The comedy gag is really good. JJS is spectacular as always. He knows how to do this in his sleep.

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I really liked the last two episodes. Although, I have a major preference for Jung Won, the writers are beginning to make things interesting. What could be more rewarding for someone with a crush than to finally be noticed? Na Ri missed it, but it was a treat to watch Hwa Shin finally "see" Na Ri and attempt to give her the things she had previously asked of him (a meal, a karaoke duet). Not to mention that JJS is just fantastic. He plays so many notes, so well. It's a pleasure to watch.

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Drama beans, you do the best RECAPS!! I'm totally loving all the comments. Jung Won and Na -Ri -- yass!

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Now that's what I call, Fifty Shades of Sewing.

....no ropes, no whips, no handcuffs needed! Who knew that color pens, a pair of scissors, tracing paper, pins and needles plus a ton of sexy will do the trick??

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HAHAHA Fifty Shades of Sewing

The ton of sexy is the key component here. I've had all the sewing tools listed for my whole life and never gotten anything but CLOTHES on my bod from using them ?

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Tq saya !

Character wise hwa shin's role many recycle scenes from otther kdramas
I would exclaim! - oh we had seen this actions before.

But for jung won character most of it is "fresh" even his physiq body - no six pack but "fresh" from my observation. The dark blue turqoise shirt he wore that shows part of his character. Gonna observe other colors in future episodes.

If the scriptwriter change his/her mind then i think it should be two leads
and the one who need most from pyo na ri will be .......
3 years had gone by why still procrastinate?.

When jung won will be left out soon from coming episodes then i will feel his sadness too but in the meantime i am watching for his peanut butter and jam sandwich !

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Forget to commend he (the actor) is left handed and the way he cut perfect !

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Thanks for the recap, Saya! I felt frustated that hwa shin is not taking care of himself, too. But, I disagree with you on one point, I don't think it would be the same if this week's episodes got zipped into one. Because what I love about this drama is the crazy, oddball moments, its not so much about plot development but about the character interactions. So, I enjoy the show as it is and I never realize each hour passing. And I really want na ri to look at hwa shin once when she says they are not a couple or she doesn't like him anymore, because I think she would atleast get an inkling that from his side the feelings have changed. But, jung won is too sweet, honest and swoony, I am confused about whom to ship, but as long as na ri gets to choose, I am ok.

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I'm with you on this. This drama is too precious I don't want it to be shorten in any way, it's like I'm willingly enjoy everything that everyone do here, how come? probably this is the definition of match made in heaven for the writer + pd + music director

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Yes, so true. I am very happy right now that it has 24 episodes.

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The best part about moving into a new house...is to not be involved the process! Poor Ppal gang, if she only knew how both her moms pulled off an amazing race, complete with confetti kimchi, donkey kong box throwing, bribery and mattress wrestling! SO. MUCH. EFFORT. *slow claps*

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The next kdrama i would like to see is a shoemaker - that would be interesting !

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Oh i forgot ! jung won is also a shoemaker in this last bit episode 8.

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There are so many development lines here for the characters that I really hope and pray to the drama gods that the writer will take it all the way, the right way.

True to its title, jealousy is what drives the show and thankfully the writer has shown that the green-eyed monster rears its head in many forms - between lovers, between parents, between friends, between colleagues. And what a monster it is. Although there were parts that were way over the top like the whole forceful moving of the mothers to the kimchi tossing, it does illustrate that jealousy can drive people to do really crazy, irrational things. Even Na Ri suffers from it as we catch flashes of it whenever she sees other women putting moves on Hwa Shin. Those are the moments where I can see that her crush for Hwa Shin may still be intact. Whether as an automatic reaction or as something very much still in place, Na Ri will have to make an interesting choice whether to really move on with Jung Won or give it another go with Hwa Shin. Personally, I am a die-hard for unrequited crushes that turns requited so I'm holding out for Hwa Shin to sort himself out.

I hope the NR-JW-HS loveline will be fleshed out properly because there is so much to explore in a mature relationship. Like the relationship in Second to Last Love is pretty realistic too as the lady, even though reluctant, decided to give a relationship a go and then finally realised that it was not right and broke it off before it got any further. Sometimes, you really don't know what you want until you get into it. This should be the way to maturely handle matters of the heart without resorting to hysterics.

Whatever is holding Hwa Shin back from any kind of relationship save for the one with Jung Won, he needs to get over the hump and take a look at himself. Whether all his relationships survive the aftermath or not...well, I hope the BrOTP does, I could watch Hwa Shin and Jung Won doting on each other forever.

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"I could watch HwaShin & JungWon doting on each other forever."

YESS PLEASE *___* #OT3 if only.. just so precious & adorkable.. xD

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Don't really have time to watch dramas anymore, but this one is an exception. Can't wait for Wednesday!

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I learned very early never to ship Second Leads. I used to call them the Decoy Guy. And I can only think of maybe 5 who have won me over in a decade of Drama watching. But Jung Won had me the moment he held Nari's hand as he drove her to the hospital. And the sad part is that he is doing everything right and avoiding all of the common SL pitfalls and he's still doomed. I don't know ifi can even bear to watch his eventual downfall.

Jung Wonie, Noona is here!

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Loved the fight on the balcony scene.
So funny.

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There's a nice little moment in the epilogue where Na Ri asks Jung-won to increase the waist my one size because she's being sucking it in and Jung-won said he already did, did she think he couldn't tell?

Gah, you guys are cute.

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The way they played that scene, the look in his eyes when he said he knows that she was holding in her stomach--it was meant as a metaphor for Nari holding herself back from her feelings and from entering this relationship. Great writing.

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Great catch! So much subtle commentary occurring in the ordinary conversations between characters. I loved this epilogue! Jung Won is 100% focused on Na Ri right now (and in a way that Hwa Shin never was.) And he has the patience of Job, it seems.

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Rooting for the female lead and second male lead ??? gosh their chemistry is undeniable... ?!

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I have never have SLS...until now

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After such a long time, I think I've got a serious case of SLS! I can't stop swooning everytime Jung-won's on screen, the way he looks at her and the way he talks or just smiles, swoooooon! What I really like about him is how straight-forward he is, he doesn't come off as arrogant or rude but confident and very sweet, I loved how he told Na-ri that he wants her to treat him like Hwa-shin, squabble and all! Knowing that he isn't endgame I know my heart's bound to get broken but I can't help shipping him with her, I mean just look at him being all fine in that blue turquoise shirt!

All this doesn't mean I don't like Hwa-shin, I do and it frustrates me how he's neglecting his health! I understand how his work is important and how competitive is their environment, and he wants to win the anchor audition bad but if his cancer relapses then there won't be any anchor career! What would it take him to understand that?!

And there is Pal-gang, UGH! She's frustrating too, I know she is going through a hard time, but using the boys like that is just not acceptable, both boys clearly like her, so she should stop playing with their feelings, no heart break for those puppies please!

Thanks Saya for the recap.

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Re: Why is he neglecting his health. It's not because of work.
If you had watched this episode carefully you would have noticed that he explains it. He points out that his brother just died and why should he be trying to preserve his own (unworthy) life? Something like that. Of course it doesn't make sense, but that's his explanation of it.
And it is reinforced by his colleagues saying "Oh, it seems that lately he doesn't care about losing his life", meaning the dangerous missions like the window cleaning thing.
So we are told that all this unwillingness to live is a result of depression because of his brother's death.

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I watched all the previous episodes and I've seen the one in which he tries to explain but I don't get how a person who is neglecting his health cares so much for a job that if something happened to him he would never get! he says he doesn't care if he lived less and dies to follow his brother but why is he working like crazy to get the job?! That's why I don't get!

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I love it―especially the scriptwriter's approach to love. I have never seen such a romance drama that focuses on jealousy rather than affection and devotion.

One of the most interesting points in this drama is, of course, a love-hate relationship between a hero(HS) and a heroine(NR). But it is also a family drama, so seeing what is happening to the whole family is very enjoyable as well.

Actually, these kinds of story lines―a group of people becomes a (kind of) family―might be not that new. But in this drama, there is a distinctive feature, the use of jealousy, and the very thing makes this drama something different. I love the way this drama uses jealousy as scales of measuring love.

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I love this episode!! the measuring scene was so damn hot n sexy!! When the amber man turns green, it was the hint of hwasin's change of heart..Also the choice of song are spot on! when nari & hwasin sing lee sun hee's song (forget the tittle) it conveying the truth feeling of hwasin wanting for Nari to like him again..and for wrong encounter, at first it was portraying hwasin being left out, but at the end when no one receive the calls, I feels that this song is also for jungwon who soon will be the one being left out.

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No one has mentioned those wonderful OSTs here yet?
I Love that slow songs played in the last scene! I hope they'll released it this week..

Well for the drama, i don't expect this to be soooo good!
It has the slow pacing, but not boring at all. I love every scene including Na Ri & Hwa Shin, every time they meet, there must be a hilarious quarrel between them XD.

Love Jo Jung Suk since "What's Up" era in 2011, he really has a great voice.. and i've always been a fan of queen GHJ :) no doubt she has the best chemistry with all her co-stars!

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While we're talking OSTs and JJS, I personally really like "I Totally Love You"(from You're The Best, Lee Soon Shin). It's my pick-me-up song when I need a little mood lifter!

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Yes! The OSTs are just so awesome! The song that was playing during the tailor scene was also really good. All the songs are instantly likeable, you have to hear them only once.

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