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Jealousy Incarnate: Episode 18

Oh, it’s so messy, everything is messy, how ever will they get themselves out of this one? This ill-fated triangle takes a battering as the share-house turns into a real-life, real-time personality test, and Na-ri is forced to examine her own motives. But is the choice really between ticking boxes and beating hearts, or something else altogether?

EPISODE 18 RECAP

Lying in bed beside each other, Na-ri tells Hwa-shin to quit drinking and smoking, and says she really would die if anything happened to him. “Sleep with me,” he says to her. He unbuttons his shirt and she puts her hand on his chest, where he covers it with his own. They gaze at each other, until Na-ri draws her hand back.

Touching her face, Hwa-shin leans in to kiss her, but she jerks back at the last moment and says they can’t break the rules. Nonplussed, Hwa-shin counters that she felt that moment, too, and uses Plato to argue that the natural attraction they feel towards each other is a sign that they’re two halves of one whole. That’s some slick talking you got there, bro.

He tells her she’s tormenting him and fooling herself, reminding her that she devised those rules in order to find an answer. He points out that that if she undoes his last two buttons, she’ll automatically find her answer to who she likes more, in a “necessary, sacred process”. Ha! How he can say this with a straight face!

Na-ri shakes off his hypnotic earnestness, and sends him flying to the floor with a kick. But contrite, she tries to stop him leaving the house, luggage and all. He breaks out of her hold, but spinning back on his heel, he returns to her and says that she’s the one who seduced him first, when he had wanted to leave her room. She says she only told him to stay with her, not climb into her bed. He yells that to a man, it’s the same thing.

Hwa-shin says that this house where she has her two men must be like heaven for her, but it’s hell for him. And he asks her why she’s holding onto him when he’s ending it now, just like she said. Sighing in frustration, she tells him it’s hell for her, too. She says sorry and grapples for his luggage, just as Jung-won returns.

Eyes brightening, he asks Hwa-shin if he’s giving up, and tells him he’s doing the right thing. Looking tortured, Hwa-shin stalks back in. Jung-won asks Na-ri if they fought, but she only sighs when he asks why.

Ja-young asks Sung-sook if she went to the movies with Pal-gang. Sung-sook says she asked her, and figures that Pal-gang’s decided who she wants to live with. Ja-young can’t believe it, “Why you?” she asks. Sung-sook takes exception to the question, pointing out that she’s the mother who gave birth to Pal-gang.

“Pal-gang is my daughter. I never once thought of her as your daughter,” Ja-young says, blinking back tears. Voice harsh, Sung-sook tells her to go ask Pal-gang herself, but Ja-young says that she’s too scared to hear the rejection from Pal-gang’s lips. She sinks to the floor, sobbing in earnest.

Na-ri crouches at Hwa-shin’s bedside, where he’s feigning sleep. She remembers him asking whether she really liked him and Jung-won precisely equally. Just as she’s about to touch him, he opens his eyes and tells her not to touch him.

Looking at him, she admits that she did feel something, but it still won’t do. “Get lost,” Hwa-shin tells her, turning away.

Upstairs, Jung-won intercepts her to ask when she was born, and Na-ri wonders if he’s going to consult a fortune teller. He says that his mom’s interested in her now, which he considers a good omen for them.

Pal-gang considers her dad’s final message (nominating Ja-young as her guardian), and sighs. She goes into the moms’ room and tells Ja-young to leave. “I don’t need you anymore. I’m going to live with my real mom,” she says smugly. Ja-young jerks in her sleep, and bolts up—it was all a nightmare.

The next morning, Na-ri takes happy possession of her new car. Struck by a thought, she muses that she can find out her suitors’ true personalities by getting driving instruction from them. Do you mean to say that you bought a car without knowing how to drive?!

We see her drive with them both: Jung-won instructs her lightly and teasingly, while Hwa-shin looks like he’s holding on for dear life as he yells at her. Na-ri’s inner monologue observes how extreme Hwa-shin is, when even Jung-won’s rebukes are pleasant.

A montage of comparisons follows, where Jung-won helps her carry shopping while Hwa-shin sits idly by. Another time, she deliberately throws the breakers to plunge the house into darkness. Jung-won coolly fixes them, and the lights come back on to reveal Hwa-shin on Na-ri’s lap, clinging to her in fear (really?). Na-ri thinks to herself that Hwa-shin really can’t do a thing.

Jung-won also helps with the housework, but this is one thing that Hwa-shin’s got, and they watch him obsessively wipe down every surface, which Na-ri thinks to herself is pretty exhausting.

Na-ri fills in her calendar, where she seems to be keeping a tally—of wins? Every day so far is Jung-won’s. Lol. She sighs for Hwa-shin.

Now at the movies, Jung-won is an attentive date, feeding Na-ri popcorn and crowding her laughing together. It’s a wholly different affair with Hwa-shin, who remains stiff and surly, although he finally accepts her ministrations of popcorn and soda.

Na-ri eventually falls asleep. Maddened, Hwa-shin seizes her head and mauls her…in his head. Hahaha. In reality, he punches the air around her and wrings his fists, while the big screen reflects his imaginary onslaught. In his mind, he dashes popcorn over her, kisses her all over her face, and then screams in frustration. Real Hwa-shin closes his hand over Na-ri’s, but pulls it back as soon as she rouses a moment later.

Back at home, Na-ri asks Hwa-shin for his birth date details, which he refuses to divulge. When he lowers his newspaper, she’s shocked to see him in his glasses…I think she just swooned a little. She keeps staring at him, and tells him never to wear his glasses in front of any other woman—only her.

Looking challengingly at her, he takes them off. Just as the paper’s about to come up, she grabs the glasses and swoops into the space between. Hidden from view, they argue as she tries to put his glasses back on him. “I told you not to touch my body,” he tells her.

Lowering the paper, he takes the glasses off again. Cajoling, Na-ri replaces them while he growls at her. Laughing, she leaves them low down on his nose while he glares and pushes them back up.

PD Oh and Announcer Uhm find Ja-young drinking alone, and she conscripts them into drinking with her. Ja-young asks them who they would choose between her and Sung-sook, if everyone else in the world were dead. Uhm easily answers Sung-sook, but when Ja-young refuses PD Oh’s first answer (“I’d die, too”), he picks Sung-sook, too…for her tough-as-nails survival skills. Hahahaha.

Oh says that although she’s hotheaded, she doesn’t hold grudges, and Uhm adds that she’s loyal and all-round cool. Ja-young slams down her glass and asks what’s wrong with living with her, when she’s better at cooking and cleaning, would treat them better and love them more. She bawls, and they try awkwardly to comfort her.

The two men bring Ja-young home, glad to find Chi-yeol and Dae-goo to pass her off to. But she snaps out of the boys’ hands when they mention that this is more like Sung-sook. Ja-young asks why she can’t get drunk. She goes noisily up by herself, throwing off Chef Rak who also compares them. The noise brings Sung-sook herself out, followed by a sleepy Pal-gang.

PD Oh calls Pal-gang the wrong color (“bunhong” which is “pink”, as opposed to Pal-gang/red) and tells her to take her mom (Ja-young) in. “Hey,” says Sung-sook, “She’s my daughter and her name isn’t Bun-hong, it’s Pal-gang.”

But Ja-young refutes her and says Pal-gang is her daughter. She turns to Pal-gang with a loving smile, and asks her to live together with her. Pal-gang sighs in distress.

A slightly drunk Soo-jung rings Jung-won’s doorbell, demanding to be let in, but the three housemates are asleep. Jung-won snaps awake and goes for the gate. As soon as he opens it, Soo-jung dashes inside, desperate for the bathroom, which Hwa-shin points her to.

Jung-won runs back in and Hwa-shin wonders in amusement if he should invite Na-ri to view this spectacle. Jung-won grabs Soo-jung as soon as she’s out, but she perks up to see Hwa-shin. Na-ri, also coming down, has to duck out of sight before the other girl sees her. Instead, she watches Jung-won carry Soo-jung out while Hwa-shin recovers her bag.

Once they’re gone, Na-ri comes out, relieved that they weren’t caught. Hwa-shin wonders if she isn’t jealous of Jung-won with another woman, but she replies that as a two-timing woman herself, she doesn’t even have any right to be.

But when he suggests he’s a better man than Jung-won in that respect, Na-ri scoffs that she doesn’t have to be afraid of him sneaking into her bed every night. Hwa-shin remains adamant that he was seduced, and then asks her if she’s not afraid now, then, since they’re all alone, and it’ll be a while before Jung-won returns.

Na-ri grows angry. “I didn’t know you were such a boor,” she says. “The idea that it’s game-over if a woman sleeps with a man once, isn’t that boorish?” She rips into him for his Plato-sweet-talking, and pretty much everything he did that night, repeating the same insult.

He explodes at her that she should be taking her anger and jealousy out on Jung-won, not him, but she replies that she really isn’t jealous over Jung-won. Instead, she scoffs about how Hwa-shin gave Soo-jung water and even picked up her bag. Disbelievingly, he asks if that’s what she’s jealous of, and she yells that that’s exactly it.

He launches into another tirade to tell her to go fight it out with Jung-won. But…didn’t she just confess being jealous because of Hwa-shin? She shouts at him in frustration, while he remains hung up on her calling him a boor.

He comes eye-to-eye with her and she asks, “Aren’t you confused whether you just want to sleep with me or if you love me?” She says that because of how cruelly he treated her during her crush, she doesn’t feel like she’s precious to him, and all that past disdain comes to mind now.

He says he likes her so much but he doesn’t know how to show her it, but she tells him that she can’t trust him: It could be that he’s just acting out because he doesn’t want Jung-won to have her, not because he loves her, she says.

“You’re not an easy woman to me anymore,” Hwa-shin says, but she counters that he treats her like one. On the other hand, Jung-won is trustworthy and constant, she adds. “Even in this situation?” Hwa-shin asks, demanding a reply. “Yeah,” Na-ri says easily. Haha, you’d think he’d have learnt to stop asking damning questions by now.

Meanwhile, Jung-won reaches Soo-jung’s house, where he deposits her at her front gate. He tells her angrily that if she comes to his house like that again, he’ll release the CCTV footage he has of her visits, which would ruin both her career and marriage prospects.

When Jung-won returns home, he goes straight to Na-ri and folds her into a hug. He tells her that it’s okay if she gets mad at him, but she says it’s fine. Well, this is awkward. She says it actually makes her feel a bit better about herself, and I feel a bit sorry for Jung-won as he so searchingly asks her, “Aren’t you…jealous?” Clasping her hand with a smile, he says it’s okay for her to be honest with him. She smiles tentatively back. Nope, still not jealous.

As Hwa-shin watches Na-ri’s news next morning, his imagination serves him with Na-ri-on-the-screen repeating what she said the night before: “I can’t trust you.” He paces restlessly, waiting for the others, and finally gives in to the devil, looking up his compatibility horoscope with Na-ri. He comes up with a measly 3 and even the computer tells him to break up. It’s worse when it scores a 98 with Jung-won. (Computer: “Get married!”)

Na-ri pops home to pick up something, arriving just as Jung-won exits the shower. Rather unfortunately for him, his towel falls down while he’s talking to her, and he freezes. Covering her eyes, Na-ri flees, and I repeat: awkward. Bad awkward.

Pal-gang has Chi-yeol, Dae-goo, Chef and Sung-sook assembled on the rooftop for an announcement. Once Ja-young arrives, Pal-gang gives Sung-sook the note that is her dad’s will, and Sung-sook reads it in shock. But Ja-young looks like the sun came out, and tearfully thanks Pal-gang and Chef.

Sung-sook tears up the note and argues that it doesn’t mean anything—what matters is what Pal-gang wants. Pal-gang looks from one woman to the other and blurts that she always did what Dad told her, and she intends to honor his last words, too. Ja-young leaps up and hugs Pal-gang, while Sung-sook, stricken, leaves. Pal-gang seems equally upset, especially when Sung-sook trips on her way.

Hwa-shin’s mom arrives at the broadcast station during Hwa-shin and Hye-won’s broadcast. She smiles at Hye-won on the screen, thinking she’s the girlfriend Hwa-shin intends to introduce. She bumps into Madam Kim at the elevators, and as they go up together, she confides to her that she’s planning to take Hwa-shin and his ladyfriend to dinner.

Mom finds Hye-won in her dressing room and invites her to dinner with them, which Hye-won happily accepts. Madam Kim, meanwhile, finds Na-ri, though her dinner invitation finds a much more nervous reception.

Hwa-shin bursts into the dressing room and Mom apprises him of her dinner plans with his “girlfriend”, while Hye-won smiles shyly. Bursting back out, Hwa-shin phones Na-ri (#1 on his speed-dial), urgently asking her to have dinner with him today. But she’s already leaving with Madam Kim. Telling him she’s busy, she hangs up.

On the elevator down, every time Mom asks Hye-won a question, Hwa-shin cuts her off before she can reply. Finally, he comes out with it and says that Hye-won’s not his girlfriend. But he said she likes him, Mom says uncertainly. He replies, “She likes me on her own. I don’t like her, she’s scary.”

He apologizes to Hye-won, but he’s still a jerk, and Mom thinks so, too. But Hye-won tells her it’s fine—it’s true that she liked Hwa-shin by herself. Since they’re still in the elevator, it’s a bit awkward when Mom asks Hwa-shin who he really meant to introduce.

Meanwhile, Madam Kim tells Na-ri that she had her compatibility horoscope read, and apparently she can’t fight it. But Na-ri argues that they’re not necessarily accurate. Madam Kim is puzzled by her response, but says that she’s really meeting her because Jung-won likes her so much, and she wanted to see her for herself. She rightly predicts Jung-won’s arrival to rescue her, and denies to him that she was terrorizing Na-ri.

Naturally, Hwa-shin and his mom pick this same restaurant, and she asks him why he can’t just date Hye-won. Hwa-shin replies that the other woman is way better than her, prettier and more warmhearted, “And most importantly, my heart belongs to her.” But Mom still scolds him for his shoddy treatment of Hye-won.

Hwa-shin notices Na-ri’s party right then, and a moment later, his mom spots Madam Kim. She goes right over to their table, and calls Hwa-shin over, too. Awkward City, man. Madam Kim asks where Hwa-shin’s girlfriend is, and Na-ri suddenly realizes what his earlier call meant. Hwa-shin doesn’t look at her, and takes his mom out. Na-ri looks forlornly after them, and Jung-won takes her hand and sits her back down.

At home, Na-ri waits to meet Hwa-shin, and explains Madam Kim’s unexpected arrival. Grabbing his suitcase, he says it doesn’t matter: “Let’s end this.” He leaves, driving away, away, away. Inside, Na-ri grabs her own coat and runs out.

Ja-young comes to check something with PD Oh while Sung-sook is on air. As the news goes to a report, Sung-sook comes over and confronts Ja-young, thinking she’s there to gloat. PD Oh and Announcer Uhm drag her back to her desk, and Sung-sook spits that she’ll go to court for Pal-gang.

Appalled that she should care so little for Pal-gang’s feelings, Ja-young follows her back to the desk, but has to duck down when they go back on air. Sung-sook gives her a savage kick, toppling her over. “You’re no match for me,” she says, pointing out that the “will” is hardly legally binding, and that the law will favor her as the birth mother. The women are about to scuffle, but PD Oh and Announcer Uhm tear them apart.

At the station, Hwa-shin heads for the night-duty room, but loses a contact lens on the way. He’s surprised at the sight of Dong-gi in a face mask (so am I), but otherwise ignores him. PD Oh calls Hwa-shin to his office with Hye-won, and Hwa-shin dons his glasses and heads there.

Na-ri also arrives at the station, heading in after seeing Hwa-shin’s car. Girl, you gotta turn the lights off! She finds his suitcase in the night-duty room, and Dong-gi tells her where Hwa-shin’s gone.

Hwa-shin reaches the office first, and Hye-won arrives, eyes burning. She tells Hwa-shin he went too far, asking if he enjoyed humiliating her like that in front of his mom. “Don’t mess with me today,” he says tiredly.

“You messed with me first,” Hye-won replies. Pulling him to her, she kisses him, glasses and all. Na-ri arrives just in time to witness it, and the bag drops from her hand.

COMMENTS

Does anyone else feel a tiny bit like the show is spinning its wheels a bit this episode? I feel like we’re treading the same ground that led up to Na-ri’s kiss with Hwa-shin a few episodes ago, just changing up the setting a bit. Everything about this episode, from the first minute, seems to prove that she definitely likes Hwa-shin more, and doesn’t actually like-like (lol did I actually say that) Jung-won at all. I’m relieved that she’s on the cusp of finally accepting what’s been obvious to us for weeks, because the level of awkward in that house was getting painful. I feel a little cheated, though, that we didn’t even get any quasi-family bonding moments—what about all that eating together and smelling each other’s poop?

I wonder if it’s even possible to untangle everyone’s hopelessly mixed-up motives, from the reason Na-ri proposed the arrangement, to the reasons why each man is pursuing her in the first place. For the former, was it really to break up with them? Was it to confirm her feelings? Or was it in fact to undo them? Or some combination of all three? As for the boys, I think their feelings for Na-ri are genuine, but some idiot sense of competition and territoriality has magnified their pursuit to an uncomfortable intensity. At the same time, I think Hwa-shin is justified in feeling played with, because Na-ri’s skinship rule leaves the balance of power unfairly on her side. If you’re having rules, it seems like it would be fairer (and more sensible) to have a no-skinship-by-anyone rule.

But here’s the thing, too. I’m sure Na-ri knows Hwa-shin is the one she really likes. She did, after all, nurse a three-year crush on him that she admits she didn’t succeed in killing. I’m impatient with the artificial protraction of Jung-won as a viable rival, with that lack of spark and liveliness in his interactions with Na-ri that’s had him shelved in my mind for weeks. As before, I can see the intent: He’s the very model of a modern man and just bursting with chivalry, but I’m really uncomfortable with his presumption, and the passive-aggressive way he has of whittling away at Na-ri’s agency.

By now, it seems more like a smokescreen to the real, more difficult and more interesting conflict of why she can’t pick Hwa-shin even though she clearly likes him more (by far more than 1%). When it’s so obvious their feelings are mutual, why aren’t they on the same page? There’s so much there to unpick—Jung-won is not the obstacle. Even the issue of the boys’ friendship is nearly irrelevant right now; that relationship is one thing, what’s between Hwa-shin and Na-ri is another altogether.

No, the real problem in Na-ri and Hwa-shin having a relationship is in the corpse of her crush that lies between them. She’s clearly scarred from the way he used to treat her, and what she said to him about not being able to trust him is really telling, because that’s the number one thing that their relationship lacks and desperately needs, if it’s to exist in any healthy way. “Being real” with her ceases to be a virtue in Hwa-shin, because that’s not what she needs. What she needs is a sense of security from him. If you think back to the kiss, it was the only time that Hwa-shin was impossible for her to resist, and if we examine what led her there, it becomes clear that there’s a lethal mix: not just a storm of mutual feelings, but he’d actually treated her well—unprecedentedly, swoonily well—all day.

It’s such a simple formula, but she’s been conditioned with negative associations between her feelings for him versus his treatment of her for over three years, even in the very recent past. She doesn’t feel emotionally safe with him, and he can’t undo that with a little careless wooing. With those memories and that hurt constantly rising to the surface and coming to the fore of every meaningful argument they have, it’s hard to blame her for just not wanting to start something with him, even if she has feelings for him. After all, she had those same feelings for him throughout her crush. He treated her like crap then.

The fact that he’s basically treating Hye-won the same way now says something about him that I’m not sure I like. Of course he isn’t obliged to accept the feelings of anyone who likes him, but he seems to take refuge in humiliating others, and that’s not a characteristic that makes me root for him. Hwa-shin really is his own worst enemy—he hardly needs Jung-won to show him up, he does a great job all by himself. The only thing that makes this occasion slightly less terrible is that Hye-won is a badass and won’t take it lying down. Seeing her crack was still a little bit painful, though.

Even seeing Hwa-shin break was painful, despite his buttface tendencies, because once again, that raw sincerity goes a tiny inch in redeeming him. I keep being reminded of the story of King Solomon and the baby; I feel like Hwa-shin proves his greater love and the seriousness of his emotions by refusing to play the share-game anymore, with an attendant understanding that love isn’t a prize to be won or lost. So he’s far from hopeless…but he’s also got a long way to go.

Speaking of King Solomon, I don’t see why the two-mom solution has to be so drastic. Of all the triangles in this show, shouldn’t this one be the most resolvable? Can’t they carry on living the way they are? Or if either or both women find someone else they want to live with, can’t they share custody like any other parents? I just don’t understand why Pal-gang can only pick one when they both have legitimate claims on her, and she clearly has important relationships with both of them. Don’t break the momance, show!

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I LOVED the glasses scene...Hwa-shin is just so sexy and charming ? I also don't think he's a scaredy cat (I lost it when JW turned on the lights), he just obviously took advantage of the whole situation to hug Na Ri, hahahahaha #TeamHwaShinForever

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I am getting annoyed with Pyo Na Ri's character, she's clearly seducing HwaShin and violating the rules, and when he's responding to her seduction she change her mind, she doesn't do the same with Jung Wo, she's been cheating with HwaShin while Jung Wo was left out. She said she like both but to me she likes Hwa Shin more.

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I also dont understand why she cant choose when clearly she like HS more. Not like the boys friendship is the problem here.

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Yes, I am annoyed by Na Ri too. She is stringing both men along. Hwa Shin has been such a jerk to her in the past that it's hard for me to muster a lot of sympathy for him, but what she is doing still isn't right.

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Actually he was a jerk into her face, but in the background he did everything for her. He fought for her, when she was supposed to be fired because she was tipys during her weather forcast, presenting her ratings to Mr. Oh. He was worried sick about her during their stay at the hospital and wanted to send an ambulance to get her back from the station. He introduced her to Jung Won thinking that he'd be the better man for her, as he is sick and self-loathing to the max.
From the very beginning there were subtle signs how much he really liked her. In Thailand, during the shooting of the commercial Na Ri walks toward Hwa Shin and Jung Won. It is there first meeting among them all together. Hwa Shin tries to act cool and looks away from her, but at the same time opens another button of his shirt to present his manly chest. Hilarious!

Hwa Shin represents what so many women find irresistable in a man. A hard shell you need to break to find the soft core. He built an armor of self-loathing and Na Ri will be the one to make him feel worthy, because he really is.

(Did anyone else notice the evil laugh at the end of the bed scene in the beginning after the plato monologue? The background sounds are fantastic in this show!)

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Hehe, you have sharp eyes. Btw, do you know what made him into NR? I keep wondering...

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Don't know what made him be into Na Ri or when, but my guess is, he was into her already before the show started.
In Thailand he did this unbotton the shirt thing and I doubt, this is subconcious like the women and their hair behind the ears thing.

During their stay in the hospital he said to her: 'You've got a terrible taste in men. Otherwise you would not have fallen for me.'
He dislikes himself so much, he does everything possible to drive the woman he loves away from him.
When did he realize it is love? The second he had to witness Jung Won kissing Na Ri. And now we have Na Ri realizing how she really, really feels deep down inside when she witnesses Hye Won kiss Hwa Shin. Well done, show, well done. :)

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On second thought, I think he is attracted to Na Ri, because she got a warm personality. He is drawn to her as much as he is appaled by icy cold Hye Won.

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Agree with you. Guess, as JW was smittened to her warmth, innocence, eccentricity, as well

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Love your post! Indeed, Hwa-shin's appeal is not of the swoony variety, but in a sense is rather old-fashioned cuz he won't tell it to you in your face, but will do many things for you to prove he cares. He's a man of action, haha.

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I do think he really showed that appeal last episode. Even though he was clearly bothered by her partner's behavior in the newsroom, I love that he didn't try to swoop in with some blatant rescuing and just smoothly offered his coffee to help diffuse the situation.

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Haha.. and i have been crazily smitten..

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Yeah. It's the appeal of tsundere characters. You have to work to win their affections, and when they do give you their love, it'll be intense. (///∇///)
That said, Hwashin's 'tsun' mode is way too strong. We're seriously missing the 'dere' moments. (。>д<)
It's pretty exhausting for Nari to be in love with such a character because she will have to beg for each crumb of affection from HS. C'mon Hwashin, get it together!

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Actually I think Hwa Shin will be a very affectionate boyfriend. He was so soft and tender after the kiss in the ward and when his mom forgave him and called him her 'baby' he was so, so happy.
He will be like putty in Na Ri's hands. Looking forward to seeing it!

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❤❤Newbie, merin, chandler ??

An extra ❤ for newbie’s Hwashin will make an affectionate boyfriend comment coz reading it made me very happy.
He sure was glowing with happiness when his sis in laws called him ‘baby’ and as you said he was nothing but warmth and tenderness after their kiss.

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Haha, reading it made me happy also :) I completely agree that Hwa Shin can be very affectionate. I really hope he'll step up and show that side of himself when they get together.

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Haha I am really waiting forward to the sweet "after kiss" HS. I miss him !
I am sure he I'll be everything we want him to be

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Omg Newbie, thank you thank you thank you. I have been reading the comments for some of the past episodes and Finally your comment prompted me to reply. I wholeheartedly agree with your point of view. I have felt, since the beginning, that Hwa Shin really liked Na Ri. When she had to do those ridiculous poses while doing the weather he didn't agree with it and criticized the director for allowing it to happen. The fact that he was watching her weather segments proves it more in my opinion. When he first saw her in Thailand, he had as much of a moment as she did. He's the one that first glanced (then stared) at her when she was doing his makeup. I could understand him not feeling worthy of her and doing what he can to make her not like him. But his feelings toward her can be perceived. When the guys were in the elevator talking smack about her and how much she liked Hwa Shin and then she got on, I felt their comments drove him to say something rude to her, not so much for his sake, more so because he didn't like people talking about her that way. I know he went about it all wrong but I believe his motivations were more noble than what he was given credit for. On the other hand, I kind of understand Na Ri. Her mind tells her JW is perhaps the reliable choice. But her heart...there is no denying it. If she had a crush on Hwa Shin for 3 years even though he didn't show her any return of affections, how can she not be downright madly in love with the guy now that he is showing her he likes her back (in his own way). I'm sure she does feel something for JW but not enough to compete with Hwa Shin. I also don't care for some of JW's personality traits. When Hwa Shin recognized his love for Na Ri, he didn't pursue her out of 1)respect for his friend and 2)because he thought she had really moved on and knew it wasn't right to pursue her when she was finding happiness with someone else, regardless if that someone else was his friend or not. The only time he pursued her was when SHE confirmed that she still very much cares for him. JW, on the other hand, said he's never given up on anything HE wants. No concern for what she wants. Pretty childish. Now, I know some may not agree buuut, I'm sorry, how many months have you dated to have developed such deep emotions for her? I mean, I know you like her but now you're not giving up and are talking about marriage? What is your realtionship with her based on? And crowding her like he did in episode 18 is not the answer. Him cleaning for her and not letting her do ANYTHING does not a relationship make, and yes Hwa Shin has his own issues but they certainly don't minimize JW's actions. I LOVED that Hwa Shin left the house. Enough was enough. In my eyes he comes out as the the better man. Hopefully next episode will start moving in the direction of Na Ri recognizing herself just how much she loves him. I also hope JW will step it up and when its time to recognize defeat, he takes it like a man. Just my...

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I have to drop a comment again, lol....
You have well said what I feel during the show. :-):-):-):-)

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oh my god. you wrote what i have in mind, or really wanted from this show. i strongly believe hwa shin have the same feeling for na ri, way back. though doesn't know how to show it.

i cant wait for your point of view on episode 19. please be there to comment, G Girl.

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I noticed it, too. I felt that he subconsciously preened when he undid the top button of his shirt:) and he uncrossed his legs. Isn't it a body language that he wants the other person(NR) to be included in his circle?

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I had to respond to the comment about the background sounds. I watch this while my boyfriend sits next to me on his phone.

He does not watch the show at all, but all of a sudden he starts laughing much to my surprise (I mean, he can't understand Korean so he's not getting the punch line just by listening) and it's simply because of the background noises.

This show is a lot of fun to watch, the Main characters are all so enjoyable to watch and like Saya says, the details, down to the background, are all spot on.

So glad I picked this one to watch.

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Well I for one I prefer Jung Wo's character. Sweet, direct, respectful, humble about the way he helps out, driven, and knows his own mind. Yeah, he's rich, but even if the roles were reversed (HwaShin isn't exactly poor), I'd still go for Jung Wo. Jung Wo's wealth just shows that he has a LOT more to lose if his family doesn't accept their marriage.

I can't understand women who prefer men who play games and never tell you they want you until it's too late and just expect that you'll change your mind because they think they're god's gift to women or something (*cough* HwaShin *cough*). I know she'll end up with HwaShin (they focus on their relationship the most), but I really hope this one proves the kDrama tropes of the third wheel wrong and she ends up with Jung Wo.

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I think, she is playing hard to get. She was crashed when back then HS once said he couldnt be with her because she was easy. The word easy was repeated several times through eps, so I think it should have meaning. Being easy must be really traumatic because now she assumes sleeping together is a game over to HS.
When HS claimed dating HW back then, NRs very first word, HW surely not an easy woman.

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what is "clearly seducing"? asking someone to stick around so they can talk while she's clearly hammered? how is that "clearly seducing"? especially after hwashin said all proudly that he doesn't touch drunk women. that was all talk?

i'm deeply uncomfortable reading some of the comments here implying that nari somehow owes skinship to either one of them bc they have feelings for her. a woman's body is not capital or an object to be bartered with. and these so-called rules that she's breaking has been broken many many times already since they entered the house together, for example, one of the many times when the male leas grabbed her arm, touched her hand, or sat on her lap. these rules are not written in stone, and expecting nari to uphold them while hwashin and jungwon are completely cavalier about respecting the same rules is messed up.

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It's my opinion and the way i see it, each one of us had his/her own perspective for things, you don't have to agree or be uncomfortable!

asking HwaShin to stay beside her on the bed is seducing, she knows very well that he wants her, what kind of guy can lay beside the woman he likes without doing anything, i can't blame him, even a girl would want to touch the man she likes.
And the glasses scene it was like a couple flirting with each other, i thought they would kiss, in reality they would, the setuation was tempting for both.

I am not saying what she's doing is wrong, she likes the man so it's natural to want to flirt and touch, but what annoys me about the whole setuation is the guys, they both like her and this is hurting both of them, especially when she's attracted to one more than the other.

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'(...)what kind of guy can lay beside the woman he likes without doing anything(...)'

A decent kind of guy. Especially, when she is drunk.

But Na Ri played with fire, that I must admit. Albeit not by asking him to stay, but by telling him, that she would die if something happened to him. That is not something you say to just anybody.

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This! Why I should keep coming here, haha..

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Well I don't feel too sorry for the boys because HS deserve to grovel a LOT for his treatment of her and for JW it seems to me as if he doesn't really see Nari as what she is and he doesn't make an effort to.

The theater scene was telling they were having two drinks and one popcorn and JW was nearly forcing Nari to drink hers without seeing and watching her, he was enjoying the movie alone. The feeling they share are so not on the same plane.
Meanwhile with HS they shared the same drink and most importantly he was looking at her, watching her , seeing her. And this time she gave the drinks while adjusting it to HS. And when NR fell asleep he stopped seing the movie (#TeamHwaShinForever)

Lol Dont know if I'm tripping but with a drama so meticulous on little thing it seems real
JW needs to stop seeing Nari I'm his head and really try, how come he never tried to sneak some time alone with Nari ? No need for skinship if he doesn't want to cheat but time alone is allowed

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Yes! Jung Won does everything a nice guy is supposed to do, but is it really genuine? The movie scene was too much. He just couldn't leave her alone. The wedding proposal in front of his mother is another example of too much too soon. He is forcing himself upon her and it is covered by his 'good' intentions.

In the movie scene Hwa Shin otoh is trying hard to keep up appearances and his true self is only shown when she's asleep, when he tenderly holds her hand. This man needs the image he built for himself so much and that keeps Na Ri away from really seeing him and his affection. But soon this nut will be cracked.

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"But soon this nut will be cracked."

-Haha, I really hope so!

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"But soon this nut will be cracked."

I hope not because Nari needs his nuts. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) And poor Hwa-shin's confidence will just plummet if he cracks them on top of the breast cancer.

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ROFL. Oh mary...

This is very true though.

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You enlightened Nana..

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I'm annoyed as by her as well. She's clearly favoring Hwa Shin and letting him break the rules. She shows no affection for Jung Won any longer, so it's obvious that she's made her choice. I think it's incredibly mean of her to continue to give Jung Won hope, and to do what she's doing with Hwa Shin under his roof. If she can't go to Hwa Shin yet, that's one thing, but she shouldn't hold on to Jung Won as insurance. Jung Won has been effectively pushed out.
People are upset that he's the 3rd wheel in this love triangle, but they forget that Hwa Shin is the one that horned in on their relationship- which wasn't cool. He had plenty of time to declare his feelings and only did so once Na Ri had moved on with Jung Won. At that point I feel like he lost rights to declare his feelings.

Of course, there are multiple ways to view this situation, but I'm admittedly biased. I don't hate Hwa Shin, but in real life, I could not see their relationship being healthy. And Jung Won hasn't been fleshed out enough and given enough screen time with her any longer to really compare them seriously. He started off well, but they've slowly retracted him from the equation.

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I'm with you here. Clearly Jung Won is the second male lead but I had high hopes for the writers after seeing the first few episodes. I thought that they would rise above the second male lead trope and flesh out Jung Won's character more to give him equal chances as Hwa Shin in winning Pyo Na Ri.

While Jo Jung Seok's portrayal of Hwa Shin is breathtaking and Hwa Shin's character is fun to watch and interesting, I'm still not sold that he deserves Pyo Na Ri yet. I was hoping for his character to mature but after 18 episodes, we're still stuck with the selfish Hwa Shin. As for Pyo Na Ri... I love her work ethics and her dedication and love for her family but I'm having a hard time watching her in the last four episodes.

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Exactly! why should she lead Jung Won on!!! She should have been more clear about it in the first place.

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This drama is crazy addictive, I swear... I'm always on my toes around this drama because I have no idea what the writer is going to pull out of her writing cap next.

Also... slightly bitter that we haven't seen much of the high school trio (esp Chi Yeol) or gotten any questions about Nari's stepfam (and where the hell is dad anyway?!?!) answered. More Chiyeol and Jayoung interactions please!!!!!!!! I live for the moms at this point!! I love them so much!!! They're so much fun when they're together, and especially fun when they get along. How cute is it to see them share a bed every night like a real parent couples ♡ ?

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also!! I really love the King Solomon analogy you used, Saya! I was trying to explain to a friend why I thought Hwashin loved Nari more (and vice versa) and I think it's his unwillingness to share her love; how it's all or nothing with him, which really showed the strength of his love for Nari.

And as much as I love Hyewon, I'm also actually really confused by Hyewon at this point. Does she really like Hwashin? What are her intentions? Who was the guy she was kissing last episode? Was it just the humiliation she felt that drove her to kiss Hwashin? Why DID she kiss Hwashin? Where does she get her hair done? So many questions...

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I love Hye-won! I wish she were the OTP with Hwa-shin but maybe that's too much blunt-talking for one relationship.

I think the kiss is a couple of things. She's made her interest in HS clear for ages, but she told him to sort himself out with Nari and held back on pursuing him. But now it's WAR - she's not going to hold back any more, and you can consider that kiss as the first shot fired. She's going to go after him properly now, Nari or no Nari. The only thing I reeeeally hope doesn't happen is her sassy badassity getting downgraded to classic b-lead. That would be awful.

I thought her hair looked a bit too orange on the news screens. Such a gorgeous girl looking so bleh! How!

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"actually really confused by Hyewon at this point. Does she really like Hwashin? What are her intentions? Who was the guy she was kissing last episode? Was it just the humiliation she felt that drove her to kiss Hwashin? Why DID she kiss Hwashin? Where does she get her hair done? So many questions…"

:D :D

Where does she get her hair done? THE most important question of course. ha ha...
You are cute! @eterire

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Haha, no idea either..

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Can i just have Jung Won for myself and let Na Ri keep Hwa Shin,end of her dilemma...also pretty please don't let stalker girl end up with Jung Won,he doesn't deserve such a nightmare,in this whole show she is the sole one that i really really can't stand,even his Mom is better for me...I think it's pretty clear were Na Ri's real feelings lie at as her actions speak more than any words she might say...I'm actually curious how all this thing will end up in the end and hope the friendship between the two guys won't shutter forever because of this...Also Hye Won is damn cool,my favorite one among the girls hands down!

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I dont like stalker girl for Jungwon too!!. Look like his mom getting better? Kikiki.

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Maybe the writer will redeem Soo -Jung (aka stalker girl) somehow before she gives her to JW. I dunno but I felt like there's some dynamic slowly developing between her and JW. Maybe I'm reading too much into it at this stage.

Her drunken antics were kind of cute though and I do find myself slowly warming up to her.

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Lol I like soojung a little bit more, she is getting cute-petty. Who does that ? Coming everynight to tell the guy who ditched you that his girl like someone else ?

But the fact that she is always drunk is drunk is maybe because she really liked JW.
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He is definitely more human with her than Nari where he is mr. Perfect without substance

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" He is definitely more human with her than Nari where he is mr. Perfect without substance."

Oh, oh, yes! I second that!

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drunken woman is something JW dislike the most. HAHAHA. If she truly like JW, pls be intelligent with her seducing method.

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NO~~~give him someone who completely not from broadcast station please. Haih.

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I actually thing Jung-won and the other announcer are quite similar. Like they both have this very polite and calm demeanour, but become rather aggressive and competitive when push comes to shove.

I'm also rather amused that his house is her last stop after a night of clubbing. It's like I'm tired and drunk, I guess it's time for me to head off to Jung-won's place to badger him.

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'Like they both have this very polite and calm demeanour, but become rather aggressive and competitive when push comes to shove. '

True that!

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Ohh Hwa Shin glasses were too much for my weak hearteu...It reminds me of his YOF iceland trip ♥ He looks so cute and very charming♥...is there any chance he will keep wearing his glasses until the last episode :D

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I'd rather he doesn't wear them too much. That moment when his face appeared behind the newspaper! Swoo~n. Sometimes less is more!

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"If you think back to the kiss, it was the only time that Hwa-shin was impossible for her to resist, and if we examine what led her there, it becomes clear that there’s a lethal mix: not just a storm of mutual feelings, but he’d actually treated her well—unprecedentedly, swoonily well—all day."

SPOT ON.

i know some people are uncomfortable or annoyed with the idea that NR is being wishy washy especially when its SOO OBVIOUS she likes HS more... but I can totally understand why she feels the way she does. even the OST supports it LOL its like she can't help but gravitate towards him and is attracted to him (who wouldn't? GODDD) but she keeps questioning his motives because of their past. I think that's totally fair.

also, i agree that HS can be a jackass but i really do feel like his intentions are never meant to be evil or purposely mean. I feel like he has one track kind of mind, so even when it comes to love, all he sees is the person that he likes/loves. I too was kind of ehhh at the way that he treated HW, but in all honesty, i'm not sure how much she likes HS. I think it was more of a "im upset because you humiliated me in front of your mom" kinda thing. HW is a really cool character don't get me wrong, but the drama hasn't shown that she's super into HS yet.

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Yes!! I honestly feel that whole episode with HS being this swoony person was such an important moment. But I think part of why HS struggles right now is because of his hurt that NR isn't completely his.

NR is completely understandable in her reasoning, though. I can't blame her for hesitating or falling back to the safety net of JW when she remembers the past. Still, she's allowed moments of weakness when she's drunk or caught up in the moment (who wouldn't when that level of intensity is on you??). It does suck for HS though because he does feel like he's being played.

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Quinze..you're right. The one time Hwashin was gentle with Nari was after they kissed..when he was under the impression that she was done with Jung won and finally his.
On the other hand,I'm not a big fan of his interactions with other people.
"Judge a man by how he treats people who are of no use to him"
I don't know what to make of him anymore except that Jo Jung seok is ?????

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lol yeah I do agree HS comes off as an ass here. He could have handled Hye Won and his mom far better.
I don't think his interactions in general are bad with people but he that doesn't excuse his treatment of Hye Won here.

One definite agreement is JJS's hotness lol.

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I'm so conflicted about how HS handled HW this episode. I love her confidence and I felt really angry on her behalf, but, at the same time, she did bother me for the first time this episode for not correcting the misunderstanding with Hwa-shin's mom. She's a smart girl & I don't buy for a second that she didn't understand exactly what was going on. This doesn't excuse Hwa-shin's behavior in the slightest, but I do at least appreciate how he cuts through the BS. I just wish he could learn to do it with more tact. It's a shame because, in general, I don't think he's actually that excessively rude on a regular basis. Recent events have really been bringing it out in him though.

For one thing, I really like that the show isn't trying to sell the whole "love can change/save a man" ideal. Because Hwa-shin is still very much a work-in-progress.

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You make a good point. I guess I'm so used to kdrama females being polite to moms to the point where they never correct their misunderstandings. I assumed it was meant to parallel NR's situation a bit as well.
The difference being that like you said HS is the direct type of guy that cuts through the bull. I just thought the way he said it was just terrible for HW though because it made her look like nothing.

I think we're used to HW being direct herself that we didn't expect her to go along with his mom's assumption. Mostly because she's so cool about her feelings too.

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I think maybe hwa shin's handling of hye won was to make us compare it with Jung won's handling of soo jung where he was not mean to her but definitely dragged it for long letting her assume they were going to get married and all. Even though hwa shin is mean to hye won he doesn't let her assume anything but that doesn't excuse his behaviour, it may also show us that he is serious about na ri. But, if I were hye won, I would have probably slapped him but that being jo jung seok, I can understand that hye won couldn't have helped herself! ;)

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Kudos to Na-ri, I would of broken the rules and caved way before the Plato explanation, which would have been devastating because Hwa-shin pleading his case to get laid is hilarious.

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It's this weird situation where everyone is justified in feeling what they feel, right? And everyone somehow wrongs everyone else, but somehow, everything didn't blow up in their faces. It's wonderfully complicated and yet bordering on terribly aggravating. Life! I can't even decide if its intentional genius from the writers/production team, or accidental realism.

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Hah pretty much. Sometimes I feel it's more accidental than intentional. With this drama it's a little harder to tell...

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I find it very genius, haha. From ep 1 every detail has been well prepared. I have read people's comments on the countless little things that they found telling/meaningful along the show.

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I second that. Very creative, intelligent individuals behind this project.

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To me she clearly sends signal she is into him. She does not want to let go when he is about to leave. She is constantly worried for him than for herself.

I think, she loves him more than he does to her. HS's all or nothing does not apply with NR, where in her case she never could leave him behind, though she is being wishy washy.

She knows too well HS' qualities by now and her expectations drive her mad at him.

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I think we keep forgetting that Na-ri's three year crush started a bit before he left for Thailand and then HE WAS GONE FOR THREE YEARS!!!!! He was not mis-treating her for three full years at all. It's amazing to me that people forget this. Na-Ri carried the memory of how he treated her before he left and that's why she's not giving him a chance....but I love love LOVE this drama so much. I'm 1000% hooked and on the HS-NR train.

Another thing: I've searched the internet high and low for english -subbed episodes of Youth over Flowers Iceland and just can't find it. Can someone tell me where it is? A thousand thanks.

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kshowonline.com

I'm pretty sure these are their own subs. Use the VIP server if you can, otherwise sometimes there are crazy pop-ups.

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Was he gone three years? I thought they were at the station together for about two years and then he was in Bangkok for about one year after doing the expose story about his brother's company. Everyone at the station had a long time to watch her one sided crush.

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I've been confused about this too. She has been at the station for 4yrs and he was in Thailand for 3yrs therefore they only interacted for a few months at most before he left.

I thought it was translation thing. Sometimes it is referred to as 'a crush 3 yrs ago' and sometimes as 'a 3yr crush'.

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Na-ri pulls out all the stops when she goes full-on crushing mode. At an average, she and Hwashin probably bumped into one another at least 4x a week. Imagine if she did that for an entire year, let alone an additional 3 years even if he was stationed overseas -- she has to have had so e form of contact or then again, it was one sided so she was okay liking him despite the distance apart. That's dedication right there.

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I've also been confused on that timeliness. Because even Jung WON asks how he could let her have a one sided crush for three years. So it definitely sounds like she crushed on him for 3 years. The math doesn't add up.

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" It’s a shame because, in general, I don’t think he’s actually that excessively rude on a regular basis."

True that Chandler. And I agree with @ michelle " I feel his intentions are never meant to be evil or purposely mean."
In the elevator, he just said it as it is without thinking it through - "I'm scared of her" lol... Tact and consideration is what he was lacking there.

Funny though, coz just yesterday we were talking about how teenage HwaShin seemed to be a thoughtful, considerate guy based on the way he treated his crush's friend. But I guess even the most considerate people people have their bad days where they just snap.

"For one thing, I really like that the show isn’t trying to sell the whole “love can change/save a man” ideal. Because Hwa-shin is still very much a work-in-progress."

Amen!

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Have you ever had that feeling where you want to go through your screen and slap some sense to a character? Yep. I had that feeling watching this episode. Hwashin, what is freakin wrong with you? I thought you wanted Nari's love? That scene when she's admiring you with your eyeglasses on and also when she was being sweet and clingy at the cinemas. Those were the times to "pounce"! But nooooo, you just have to be the jerk from 3 years ago again. I just really hate how you can be hot one second then freezing cold the next. At this point, I don't think I can cheer when Hwashin, being the male lead, gets the girl. Aarrrgh
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His EQ is high-school (boy) level at best, for reals. I'm getting to a point where I want her to walk away from both men and get her mind together, too.

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I am with you.
Totally not HwaShin and Nari together.
I wish the name Jung Won means winner...

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HS is playing don't-touch-me mode, lol.

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After his earnest pleas to 'sleep with him' fell on deaf ears, I feel he is now totally miffed and has gone on an outright don't-you-dare-touch-me mode. ha ha..
Poor Hwashin. It must be torture to live with the girl you are crazy about (the girl loves you back too) and then to adhere to a no-skinship rule. I feel his pain!

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Yes, this was the first episode I was a bit disappointed, especially the ending, even though it obviously made NaRi jealous, it was pretty cliche, her catching him kissing someone. I think she's been enjoying (subconsciously?) her sexual power over the men. I'm totally in Hwa-shin's camp and I love his personality, rudeness and all. At least it's dynamic. I hope her saying if anything happened to him she'd die isn't foreshadowing! Seems like if she decides on him first, he's gonna die because there are too many episodes left to resolved itself quickly. This show keeps surprising.

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At the movies..Nari was to Hwashin what Jung won was to Nari. What do you make of that?

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Na Ri wants so badly for HS to treat her like JW does :\

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So how is Jung won's behavior wrong while Nari's is ok? ?

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Wait...did I say JW was wrong anywhere?

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No no..the recap seemed to imply it so I was asking for your opinion. ?

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lol gotcha. I dunno if you noticed but he WAS crowding her a bit. Like overdoing the nice gentle behavior to where he was insistent.

But NR does want the lesser version of that with HS and that's a hint isn't it? That she likes HS more because while it's becoming nice but too nice from JW and is wanting from HS?

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I think the bit that's 'wrong' about his behaviour is how presumptuous he is with Na Ri. In public he touches her as you would if you were a serious couple. He introduces her to his mother as his future wife without discussing it with her. It takes away her choices. Where Hwa Shin is basically wanting her to choose, Jung Won seems to want to make it a fait accompli (Going so far in public and leaving Na Ri with no choice but to accept him in the end). That's what I don't like about Jung Won, and if Nari liked him it probably wouldn't bother me so much but in this case it really does. I love Jung Won and I think he's fantastic but I don't like the way he acts with Na Ri in public.

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Underneath all that chivalry, JW has the tendency of being very pushy and suffocating in his actions (another one would be his insistence that she uses banmal with him although she doesn't feel comfortable at all).

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I don't approve of Jung won's behaviour but isn't it essentially what Nari does too? She was constantly invading Hwashins personal space even when he told her not to. I know he likes her secretly but she's supposed to respect his words too. Like when she hit with her icecream...she was all over him trying to remove his shirt. She was sorry,yes,but unbuttoning his shirt in public?! Just think about their interactions and reverse the gender.
She was also quite mesmerized by Jung won initially. Maybe she'd have fallen for him too if he had ignored her hehe?
I like Nari but in the relationship department she's still a noob.?

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At the movies..Nari was to Hwashin what Jung won was to Nari. What do you make of that?

Nari has always subjected herself to please Hwashin, I think its become second skin to her; Jungwon on the other hand knows that Nari is usually the pleaser so he does the gentleman effort of pleasing her, she recognizes it but then anytime Hwashin is in close proximity, the Jungwon slate gets wiped clean and he has to start all over again, whereas Hwashin picks up were he last was. That's really the nature of their relationship; Jungwon is dead thoughtful but Hwashin's burning passion trumps any Jungwon card being dealt. It has never been a fair game, it was all about giving a chance.

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❤ your thoughts. Esp about Hwashin’s burning passion trumping any Jung Won card being dealt.
Poor Jung Won. I feel sorry for him now.

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I really like how you phrased that. Judging from ep19 preview, I think JW will finally realize this.
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Heol, that cinema scene...this show is absolutely nuts. ???

And oh the glasses...Every time I see them I'm reminded of YoF Iceland so much, just that he looked a loooot more dorky there. Kekeke. And Jung Sang-hoon cracked me up so much when he saw him wearing them "you look stupid again" (totally referencing to YoF isn't he?), "hello stupid", "bye stupid" but there he was, wearing a ridiculous face mask himself, pfffft. Btw he needs more screen time.

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YES!
and the fact that the top #2 moment of YOF with the highest rating was when JJS wore his glasses..... LOL

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Was actually thinking, who's this guy with a mask? Then he said the "stupid again" thing and I was like, oh, Sang-hoon oppa? ^_^ Loved the voice cameo, and now there's an alter-ego cameo, haha. Would've loved it more if he used his own geek glasses tho...

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i adore hye won!!! it hurt to see her crack but she tried to hide it so well. i will be gravely disappointed if they decide to make her into the equivalent of jung-won's fiance in this relationship. i need that kiss to just be a one time kiss of her basically telling him off. also, i need her to remain her badass-as-if-I-could-give-2-f***s-self. i love her.

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I seriously hope Hye Won's kiss is not a desperate 'Why don't you love me?' one but her just telling Hwa Shin to GTFO and don't tolerating his bs anymore.

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Seeing her crack like that made me dislike Hwa Shin even more because it shows it's clearly how he truly is.

I also don't like the show trying to sell his jealousy and territorial behavior as 'passion' and caring more about Na Ri. And being the better love. The fact that Na Ri is overly jealous just means she's damn insecure about him.

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yea i can understand where you're coming from... but i think the show isn't necessarily romanticizing his behavior either. I mean yes he had a few redeeming moments but usually those were isolated from his shitty behavior.

i feel like the show is being real with showing all his faults. i mean even NR is expressing her distrust in him despite how much she likes him.

This drama's intention (as shown in the initial previews and marketing material) was to show HOW ridiculous people can get in the name of jealousy and i feel like its done a really good job at it LOL i think it's hard though bc with romantic comedies the main male lead is usually supposed to be a little more easily likable but HS it actually takes some effort to grow to like him haha ITS LIKE WERE ALL NARI as viewers. WE LOVE HIM AND THINK HES THE HOTTEST THING ALIVE but its hard to trust him.

also, i think HS has the capacity to be better if NR gave him the opportunity. so far there hasn't been a single moment where HS didn't have to fight with the idea of NR being with some other dude. i feel like once they officially "get together" things could be a lot different.

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lol yes, this is exactly it. Even as much as we all love and root for HS, none of find his asshole tendencies excusable or dismiss them. They're important as illustrations of the kind of growth he needs to really be worthy.

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HS was so nice and love worthy in ep 14. The writer needs to show more those good sides of him to convince Nari and all of us here but it's going to be difficult to get those good sides of HS when he's so frustrated most of the times with his love situation with NR. Nevertheless, I don't think HS is a bad person (for example: he gave a ride to NR when she had difficulty fetching taxi in the early episode, he defended NR in front of her complainers even when he didn't like her at that time; he remembered JW's favorite dishes in details, he kept his promise not to tell NR about his feeling in the beginning, he drove NR back to JW and convince NR of JW's qualities, etc). He seemed to be very principled (ex: disclose his bro's bad business, didn't take NR sides when Dir Oh and Ja Young was arguing regarding the impact of the shooting location to NR's availability to audition, etc). It's so interesting that he's willing to do what he think is right even when it comes back to bite him afterward (losing family or losing the audition since he helped NR). I find it as a good quality that he accepted the consequences of his actions without fighting or sticking it out to other people. If HS heart is indeed very selfish, I think he will often remind NR of the sacrifices that he has made so that NR can audition but he didn't ever bring it up even once. It seems also that he will help if it's really indeed necessary (been thinking why he was not willing to help Ja Young and SS to change the lightbulb and I dislike that kind of guy who is not helpful. But now I'm thinking that he probably will help these ladies if they indeed need his help). For sure, HS is very lacking of social and communication skills (why in the world a 36 years old man doesn't know how to respond tactfully to other people is beyond me). However, social and communication skills are actually something that can be improved quite easily as long that he's willing to change. Aren't we all always in need to improve our social and communication skills anyway? This HS character is really one of a kind :)

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Completely agree, Y. I also keep remembering him with Beom. It surprised me, but I think he'd actually be good dad material? I need more scenes of them together.

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The more I think about what you guys saying here, the more I acknowledge how tiny my brain is. I mean it's refreshing having you all improving my brain. Sincere thanks..
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Wait, didn't Hwa Shin just see her making out with another guy in her car just a little while ago? I get that people like her character, but she was forcing herself into a situation by exploiting his mother's misunderstanding. Her style is to come on like a tank. Maybe he had to be just as forceful to get her to back the heck off. She has his number and he has hers ("She's scary.")

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lol.. I can totally see why Hwashin said "She's scary" in the elevator! As you pointed out she does have the tendency to come on like a tank!

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Hye-won's kiss was This is how I provoke. as opposed to Why don't you love me?<

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Instead of a provocation, i think it's more of a pent up attraction that a guy she attracted dare to treat her badly. Many here have pair HS and HW together but I think vice versa. They are too alike and seem like people that are easier to receive love than giving it.

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Got u..

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NaRi oh NaRi.Girl, your mind and heart are on complete odd with each other. Mind (and calendar) is with HW but your heart is jealous for HS.

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Aside from the main love triangle which I very obviously have a side already, WHY can't PG pick both moms? I LOVE WHAT THEY HAD ALREADY. Why isn't it possible for her to live with BOTH? (Esp since she never really had any interactions either way with either of them in the first place.) (I just really want the moms to keep being super close </3

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My hope is that PG will realize what is good for her, not what her Dad wanted for her. And what is good for her are the Moms. What would be even better is if the Moms set aside their desire to be the one Mom to rule them all, and join forces to be incredible, forever.

Aside from this drama being great with the NR-HS complexity, the situation with the Moms is just so refreshing. Ties in with the show's theme of dealing with the messy ties that bind and all that goes with it.

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Mm... I was thinking, if we had seen the interactions among these characters before knowing who the leads are, we would decide Hyewon is perfect for Hwashin, because she doesn't take his shit and she would make him (just by being with him) a better and more mature person. I'm not sure about Jongwon and Nari though. So I wouldn't mind if this drama had been about Hyewon and Hwashin, and Nari had a personal development where she forgot about Hwashin and became awesome in her career, and later on she would be able to start a relationship with another man in more... sane (equal?) terms.

But ok, this drama is the way it is (and it's awesome!), and of course I want Nari to end up with Hwashin. Previously people commented on how she was a stalker, etc., in the first half of the drama. Well, isn't he weird when it comes to romantic relationshios as well? So in that sense I think they are perfect for each other (they kind of "derserve" each other). In real life I can see this relationship ending in divorce after a series of fights, but since this is fantasy I'm sure it will work out ^^. I just hope Hwashin matures a little bit, treats Nari well and shows it will last. Sigh, JI is ❤❤❤

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I think HS pulls fights that they do not get separated..

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Funnily I feel Hye Won is the least fitting person for Hwa Shin. They wouldn't balance each other and she would for sure not make him a better man. They would fight like cats and dogs, because she got nothing, that he wants. His life lacks love, tenderness and warmth. He is still convinced he doesn't deserve them. Hye Won is by far not the person that would or could give him those things.
They might work together as an announcer couple presenting news, but would compete all the time to be the best.
Na Ri's first phantasy in ep 1 was her and Hwa Shin as a team doing the news. And I really hope, that this will be the end of this show. Both of them in a loving private and professional relationship, because both of them deserve it.

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Interesting point you bring up about the she’s got nothing that he wants. ?

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Amazing newbie..:-):-)

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Hi! New here.

I just wanted to say that I swooned with Na Ri when his glasses were revealed. I rewound and watched it again. He is so gorgeous!

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He really is!

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Actually, I really enjoy the final kiss scene.

It's something like a revenge, because Na-ri is treating/playing him like a dog.

Now she needs to wake up.

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Somehow I am convinced, that we will see him push Hye Won away at the beginning of the next ep. Kissing her as means for revenge is too cheap for Hwa Shin. Esp. as he clearly isn't attracted to her one bit.

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Ya.. Using a kiss as a revenge doesn’t sound Hwashin ish. Or does it? ??

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Doesn't sound like him at all. He's too honest for that.

That said, I definitely don't think he's above enjoying the benefits (her jealousy), lol.

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Love

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Lol, yes.. ??
Hwashin, you big baby!

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Newbie, your assessment of HS is proven correct again since we now see in the next episode that HS pushed HW away. Good job in analyzing HS'S character and I agree with you that HS is not a bad person. For those who still thinks that HS is manipulative, very selfish, etc then it's probably better for you to rewatch the movies again because HS character is complex but it's pretty obvious from the details that he's nice and really care for NR

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The thing is this. After nursing a very unhealthy three year crush that included stalking, staring, and virtually giving no space to the guy, he gives in , realises his 'love' for the stalker Na ri when he sets her up with his bff. Now she knows it and simply can not run into his arms because, luckily she has matured a bit. Regained her self worth , better job and hence struggle because she cannot forget how terribly he treated her during her crush time. Ju won is just a foil for all these delays. She wants to give it back to him for the hell he put her in but when in love with the same idiot, well, her heart struggles . Hence this back n forth on nari's part. The problem is we just get bits if this real issue, like her expression when she lay bare how he treated her before n hence cannot trust him. That was is the core problem. Hwanshin is , God, a very narssistic guy and he needs this treatment but the thing is the show does portray tackle this head on like it should. Hwanshin alwYs gets away with his nastiness, and everybody ends up swooning over him. Nari, the audiences n hye won who should have given a good verbal cast off to him at the end. Man that guy needs a huge kick.

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Does not portray tackle! Typo.

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And that cinema scene, Hwanshin is kissing n holding her when she is asleep. Reprehensible act. Slap worthy. He is actually molesting her. K drMa land shud know where the line is drawn.

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Uh. That was only in his (admittedly, bizarre) imagination. It didn't actually happen.

In reality, all he did was hold her hand for a second.

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It was is wrong to imagine or partaKe in reality in an non consensual intimate act. And he held her hand when she was asleep n immediately pulled as she began to wake. He did wrong.

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I don't understand why holding her hand is wrong when she's asleep?

The other stuff is meant to show his frustration that he wants to kiss her/ hold hands/etc but he's holding back. It's a bizarre dream sure but he never actually touches her in her sleep except to hold her hand.

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He's kissing her all over in the dream as she is asleep. The dream could have been both making out that'd be fine. In reality he holds her hand as she sleeps but takes away his hand as she wakes knowing she will not like it. He's desperate for getting physically close to her but her rules don't permit. Hence all this one sided touchy feely stuff from him. Which doesn't feel right.

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I feel like whether she needs to have been awake in his dream sequence or not is a matter of interpretation. Plus it would look worse if he's beating her up in his dream while she's awake? This way it's meant to portray frustration not actual abuse. And if she were awake in his dream while he's kissing her, it'd be a fantasy as she'd be kissing back not a frustrated daydream.

Also he lets her hand go because he's struggling to show affection not because she won't like it. NR might say it's against the rules but she wouldn't dislike it since that's exactly what she wants from him.
Of course he's desperate to be close to her...that's a given for both guys. JW is all about following the rules because to him his weallth, manners, and gentleness should be more than enough to win her over. He's all about the couple-y affection that NR has said she enjoys. HS has never been that guy so I can't see him starting that now. He wants both and it kills him not have that.