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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 16

There’s only one episode this week due to a pre-emption yesterday, but it certainly is an eventful one. Su has to come to terms with her trust issues this hour, despite some of her visions of the future (in the past) coming true. But the question remains: Is the future she saw one that’s already taken her into account, or is it all just inevitable anyway?

 
EPISODE 16 RECAP

King Jeongjong looks on as Soon-deok valiantly fights to protect her husband, though tenth prince Eun steps in when Soon-deok is wounded. He asks his brother to spare them, but with one look from the king to one of the soldiers, Soon-deok is cut down in an attempt to spare Eun.

Eun crawls over to her with tears in his eyes, and cradles her face as he tells her that everything’s going to be all right. But she passes on, leaving Eun crying and helpless.

It’s then that King Jeongjong takes his bow and fires an arrow straight into Eun. Just before he can fire the other, So jumps into the fight to protect his brother as fourteenth prince Jung and Su arrive to see the scene before them rapidly deteriorate. So tries to fight off the soldiers, but that doesn’t stop Jeongjong from shooting an arrow into Eun’s chest.

So catches Eun before he can fall, and Eun, gasping for air, reminds his older brother of the birthday where So said he’d grant him any gift he wanted. Motioning to Soon-deok, Eun says that he can’t let her go alone, and asks one, final gift of his brother: He wants So to kill him so he can be with his wife, rather than the cruel Jeongjong.

With tears in his own eyes, So slowly raises his sword and cuts Eun down even as Su whispers, “No, you can’t.” It’s the same as it was in her vision, except that So watches in horror as a dying Eun reaches out toward his wife before he joins her in the afterlife.

Jung runs to his brother, urging him to wake up as So struggles even harder to contain his emotions. He breaks and begins to laugh incredulously instead, which fulfills the final part of the vision Su had—except that what she had considered to be victorious laughter is instead something much closer to a sob.

She crumples to the floor in shock as So looks toward her, but he leaves without saying a word. Su flashes back to all her fond memories with Eun as she sits, too shocked to even cry.

Grand General Park has to only look at So’s bloody sword before he goes running to the courtyard to find his precious daughter and son-in-law dead. He cradles the limp form of his daughter as Su continues to look blank, and says with a rueful smile that Soon-deok was the one who wanted to marry Eun, because he was her first love.

He was against it, General Park adds, because he knew this would happen. “Was my Soon-deok very adored by the prince?” he asks. “Very much,” a shell-shocked Su finally replies. “Very, very much. They loved each other.” The general seems soothed by this somewhat, though he cries pitifully as he holds his dead daughter in his arms.

“I’ll kill him,” Jung says, breaking the emotional moment. “I’ll kill Wang So.” Wait—you’re blaming him and not Jeongjong? Su grabs onto his robes and tells him not to do it, because that’s what Eun asked So to do. Jung can only drop his sword and cry out in frustration.

Outside the palace, a still-bloody So tells Astronomer Choi that he thinks he should become the rabid dog-wolf everyone once accused him of being—the king who ends lives, bites his master’s hand, and takes over his master’s house.

As he walks away, he thinks to himself, “I, Wang So, will become King of Goryeo.”

When King Jeongjong relays the news of Eun and Soon-deok’s deaths to Wook, Wook’s hands tighten ever so slightly even as his face remains neutral. Well, at least he still feels something.

That’s when Jeongjong decides to announce his plans to move the capital from Kaesong to Seokyeong, which will make his uncle, Wang Shik-ryeom, happy.

An emotional Baek-ah tells So that they won’t be allowed to mourn for Eun because he was labeled as a traitor, and though he and his wife’s body were thrown outside the palace gates to rot, they were able to give them a secret burial.

So tells Baek-ah about how Eun asked for one last gift from him, and Baek-ah completely understands why So did what he did—he knows that Eun would be thankful. Astronomer Choi interrupts to give So a letter from Su he just found, where she told him that Eun was hiding out at Damiwon.

So finds Su by the river, and despite her running up to him with hope in her eyes, he gives her a hard look. “I must look like a monster in your eyes. I killed Eun.” While Su claims she understands, So asks her why she hid Eun’s secret from him—was she that worried that he would kill Eun if he knew?

Su admits that she was only worried about Eun, and wanted only for he and his wife to escape together safely. “I didn’t realize we could end up hurting each other until it was too late. That was why I left that letter. I trusted you. I know it took some time, but I truly trusted you, enough that I would trust you in any situation,” she adds tearfully.

“But… now I no longer feel that way,” So says. He adds that he won’t be able to disassociate her from what he had to do because she didn’t trust him: “Eun died because of you. I will remember how I had to kill him.” Even when he had to become the king’s dog to save her, his feelings didn’t change. But now, he says coldly, they have.

“Let’s stop,” he says, turning away. But when Su calls him a liar, So gives her a small smile as he amends that they promised never to lie to each other. Ouch.

When So’s alone, however, we see him falter as tears spring to his eyes. Oh, you did lie! And broke your promise! Tsk.

So is rewarded with land by King Jeongjong for his help in executing the traitors, and is sent to see to the construction of new fortresses in the soon-to-be capital of Seokyeong. So commits himself to the royal command in a dead voice.

Jung calls his older brother out for his crimes while simultaneously announcing his plans to travel along the borders to help secure them. King Jeongjong warns him to stay away from the front lines for their mother’s sake, but Jung refuses to acquiesce, claiming that he lived like a coward for too long.

But before he leaves, he drops the two arrow stems they broke off Eun’s body in front of the king as a reminder. As if on cue, Jeongjong hears Eun’s voice as he pleaded for his and his wife’s lives. Fearful now, the king orders that sacrificial food be left for the dead—though he can’t specifically make an altar for Eun and Soon-deok, he might be hoping to calm their ghosts.

Grand General Park sarcastically wishes So prosperity in his new endeavors, especially considering that he gained land and wealth for hunting down and killing his daughter and son-in-law.

However, a flashback reveals that So, Baek-ah, and Astronomer Choi went to see the general, who already knew of So’s desire to become king. General Park also knew that So was born beneath the star of a king, and King Taejo knew it too, which is why he sent So to him to learn martial arts.

So claimed to not believe in such things, but despite that, he fully intended to become king, even if he had to kill for it. General Park reminded him that King Taejo once said that to become king, one had to throw everything else away, so General Park planned to wait and see what So would be willing to give up for the throne.

Cut to Su, the sacrifice So had to make, as Baek-ah tells her that So’s left for Seokyeong and won’t be returning for a long while. She runs out with the hope of catching him before he’s gone, but when she doesn’t, she only says into the air: “I will wait for you.”

And wait she does, as seasons come and go around her. It’s been two years, and Chae-ryung comes with exciting news that someone Su really wants to see has come to the palace.

Su runs to greet the visitor, and barely hides her disappointment when it turns out to be Jung. She manages a small smile as she greets him for the first time in two years, with Jung looking a bit more mature (and now a general) from years spent protecting the borders.

Jung admits that he paid a visit to Eun and Soon-deok’s graves, and that he was worried that Su would’ve left the palace before he returned. He thought she would’ve gotten married by now, but Su says that she plans to work until she retires, and only then will she travel the world.

Baek-ah and Woo-hee get to greet the recently returned Jung, though it’s Jung and Woo-hee’s first meeting. Su introduces her as the highest ranked lady of the gyobang, and Jung recognizes her as the former gisaeng. He says this in order to insult Baek-ah, who he claims keeps bad company—So is another example.

He also accuses Baek-ah of sending a spy to keep an eye on the troops, but it’s only when Jung’s gone that Baek-ah and Woo-hee smile over how “cute” Jung is. And how quick, too—Baek-ah did send a spy, but only because he wanted to know how his brother was doing.

Su’s face loses its smile when Baek-ah asks which room So’s staying in, because he assumed that So was also here. Su hasn’t heard such a thing, but is clearly hopeful/worried.

With enormous dark circles under his eyes, King Jeongjong rings bells and gongs to ward away spirits at a temple, the altar of which is riddled with protective talismans. His concerned mother walks in to ask what he’s decided to do about Jung, and struggles to talk over the loud noises the clearly mad king is making.

Queen Sinmyeongsunseong finally grasps her son’s hands in order to quiet the noise, as she urges Jeongjong to make Jung the crown prince. Jeongjong looks distant as he asks his mother what he is to her—why is he pressuring her to pick a crown prince when he’s not dying anytime soon?

“Does Jung want the throne?” he suddenly asks, causing the queen to slacken her grip. Just then, So comes to give his greetings, and King Jeongjong just laughs that if his mother is so afraid, he’ll just make So the crown prince.

Su and Wook run into each other in the palace, but their encounter is formal and silent. Wook continues on to meet with the king, who’s acting slightly less mad as he berates So for the lack of progress with the fortress in Seokyeong.

So claims that it’s due to a lack of manpower and supplies, but the king chucks a cup at him before threateningly grabbing a nearby Su by the wrist. He tells So to do whatever it takes to get it done as he grabs Su’s wrist ever tighter, and before Jung can intervene, Wook grabs him to stop him.

It’s not until So drops to his knees to apologize for his error that the king slackens his grip, helped in part by Wook suggesting that they discuss this further in private.

Chae-ryung finds Su rewriting the same poem Su once gave her (“Walking until the water’s edge, I sit and watch as clouds rise up and appear”), recognizing the same characters despite her illiteracy.

She knows Su can’t sleep and suggests she go for a walk, and when she does, she finds So staggering at the spot where she’d go to wait these past two years. She chastises him for not coming to visit once, which he doesn’t deny. He also claims that he just came to this place because he was lost.

As he walks away, Su grabs him into a backhug. While he claimed to have forgotten everything, she says she hasn’t, and tearfully asks him to bear with her embrace just for now. Since he left on his own, she claims she has a right to do this much.

So hesitates, but stops himself from covering her hands with his own. She hesitantly asks if he still hates her, which is when he wrenches her hands off him and walks away. Su can only cry in his wake.

Woo-hee gives a report to the king about So’s false progress on the fortress in Seokyeong, claiming that he’s deliberately making it so that the fortress can’t be built. Though the king’s uncle Wang Shik-ryeom was supposed to oversee the construction, Woo-hee claims that he isn’t doing his job because he’s ill.

King Jeongjong wonders irately if this is all a ploy on So’s part for the throne, but Woo-hee has another concern: “Why have you broken your promise?” Since the king has mandated that those who can’t pay their taxes will be sold into slavery, the people of Later Baekje are being forced to work to death on the fortress.

“What meaning is there for me to be your eyes and ears, Your Majesty?” she asks, adding that the deal they made is no longer beneficial to her. The king calls her “Princess” as he threatens to tell Baek-ah about their little arrangement.

So flashes back to his fond memories with Su, smiling. He then thinks about how she asked if he still hated her as his smile fades—but just then, he turns around to find Su right behind him.

Apparently neither of them see King Jeongjong, ninth prince Won, and an entire party of attendants on the pavilion just feet away, watching them. Won uses this as evidence that Jeongjong can’t trust So, despite Jeongjong being sure that the two had no more feelings for each other. He even checked to make sure they never sent letters to each other during So’s absence.

In order to test where So’s loyalties truly lie, the king shoots an arrow at Su. So sees it just in time to grab her out of the way, getting slightly grazed by the flying arrow in the process.

He gets up immediately when the king and Won come down, with Won making it a point to notice that the two of them are closer than they appear. So just claims that it would’ve looked bad for the king to kill a court lady, though he’s probably not fooling anyone anymore.

Su takes the arrow that almost killed her back to her quarters, where she’s called Woo-hee to deliver a message to Baek-ah. We hear his response in voiceover as Su goes to the house where So is recovering, as Baek-ah mentioned that the gash on his arm got worse while he was traveling back to Seokyeong.

She finds So near the palace, with the arrow wound on his arm looking red and angry. He only catches half-unconscious and feverish glimpses of her as she tends to it, while she reaches out a tentative hand to trace the numerous other scars littering his body.

When he wakes, he finds Su sleeping across the room and gets up to kneel closer to her. Reaching out a hand, he moves as if to cup her face, only to be interrupted when Su wakes up.

Caught, he simply asks why she’s here. She said she asked Baek-ah for a favor so she could come ask him one question: “You still haven’t forgotten me, have you? You said you no longer liked me. You were lying, weren’t you?”

But that’s not the question she came here to ask, as she tearfully reminds him that she risked her life to leave the palace so she could be here. “In the past two years, there was not a day when I wasn’t waiting for you. I wanted to go back to that time. I wished for it again and again. So I wanted to tell you… that I trust you.”

She says she’ll ask him once more, and wants an honest answer from him: “Do you still love me?” There’s a long pause before So answers by turning around to kiss her.

He pulls back to see her crying, and wipes away one of her tears with his thumb. He swoops in for another kiss, and Su pulls him in tighter. A nearby candle flickers out, which can only mean one thing…

We return to find the two lovebirds lying in bed, with So stroking Su’s cheek. She wakes from her sleep and smiles at him, and they spent the rest of the night making shadow puppets on the wall. So’s actually pretty darn good at this.

They’re as adorable over breakfast the next morning, with Su hand feeding him bits of protein while smiling. That night, they study the stars together as Su points out constellations, though of course their bliss is interrupted by the arrival of Astronomer Choi.

He’s come with bad news: The king is very ill. Apparently the monk who was tending to the king got hit by lightning (hahahaha, sorry), and the shock of it was too much for the king to bear. We see the king going literally mad as he imagines Eun in his room and outside of it, as well as the ghost of King Hyejong or King Taejo.

Upon finding the king, Wook immediately left to see Wang Shik-ryeom in Seokyeong, which is why Astronomer Choi has come to So. General Park is gathering his forces, so it’s up to So to decide whether he wants to make a grab for the throne.

“Do you want the throne?” Su asks him. “I do,” So admits. Now Su realizes that the throne is the reason he left her, though he tells her that it was because the king was using her against him that he had to make it look like he no longer loved her.

She asks what he’d do if she asked him to give up the throne, and he just smiles at her as he says he’d convince her. Reminding him that he once said he didn’t need the throne as long as they could be together, she’s noticed that he doesn’t say that anymore.

Since they agreed not to lie to each other, So tells her that he came to realize that the world can change if the king changes. “I will not let others keep me on a leash. And if it is a seat where I can put an end to irrational matters, then I surely desire… to become king.”

 
COMMENTS

I’m at least glad they didn’t drag on the separation storyline for more than one episode (despite years passing in the timeline), though I’m still scratching my head over why it was necessary in the first place. It felt obligatory, like this was just the point in the story where we needed some noble idiocy and forced separation, and even if it was there to just provide some angst, it was so short-lived that by the time I noticed that this was where we were really going, it was over.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ll take the cute romantic moments between Su and So, even if their togetherness kind of negated the reason they had been driven apart. I get that So wanted to fool Jeongjong into thinking that he no longer loved Su so that she wouldn’t be used against him, but what good did that ruse do? It’s not like Jeongjong has a conscience that would’ve kept him from making Su’s life a living hell if he suddenly thought that So didn’t care, and it certainly didn’t stop him from manhandling her in front of So anyway. Or are we supposed to believe that the only thing standing between Su and that arrow was Jeongjong’s intel that they hadn’t sent each other any letters in two years?

Speaking of Jeongjong, I admit to being fatigued by what now feels like a parade of mad kings in this show, especially since the directing seems to have no desire to rein in any of these performances. It’s all just too much, what with Hyejong screaming his head off like a lunatic, and now Jeongjong constantly staring off into the middle distance while he talks crazy.

It’s fine to portray him as being plagued by guilt, even though guilt isn’t an emotion Jeongjong ever even hinted he could feel, but what’s the reasoning behind taking that idea to the absolute extreme? It’s to the point where I feel like they’re using madness as a cop-out to create an easy way to delegitimize whoever’s on the throne without having to create character-driven reasons for it, that way we’re left with only one option to root for. The simplicity can be nice sometimes, but we lose out on the complexity of So having to actually make plans against a worthy foe when that foe imagines dead people in his room at night.

I thought it was interesting that the scenario with Eun played out exactly as it did in Su’s original vision, but the intent behind So’s actions was (potentially?) different. It’s a question I dearly wish the show would explore a bit more, since we had Su looking wide-eyed at all the events happening before her, realizing that they were happening just as she saw them, and then… thinking nothing else about it. Are her visions true glimpses into the future? Is she seeing a future she already had a hand in, and does that mean everything’s predetermined to happen with or without her interference?

But now that she’s seen that So didn’t actually want to kill Eun, I wonder if she’s considered that perhaps the past has already changed, and that So won’t leave a trail of bodies on his way to the throne. I did like that So called her out on not trusting him this episode, and do feel that he was genuinely hurt by that—but I like it more that they’re back to being cute. At least we have a week to enjoy it.

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Wow. Fast recap. Thanks!

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It was a thoughtful recap, I just started watching ML, but I noticed that I didn't see the scene where SU hug SO, I watched it through dramafever, are they showing 2different version?

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Yup there's two different versions. the SBS and International version. This is the first of it's kind. Lol.

SBS was the one being aired in korea. They said this was re-edited for Korean audience due to poor domestic ratings.

The international version was for streaming sites like Dramafever and Youku. Since this drama was pre-produced (filming ended last june). They already released it in advance for streaming sites. Thus, the obvious diffrence.

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@endo
Wow that's something! Thank u for the info, I guess I'll just have to rewatched the other version too, if it was streamed and subbed after it aired In Korea. I heard about the re edited version but thought it was just the first week due to people's response, didn't know it's always like that every single episode.

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Thanks for explanation I have been running behind episode because I found watching both Love in the Moonlight and Scarlet Heart at same time too confusing and unsatisfying. They are both great but very different. I love both the heroins and would hate to choose between them, and both dramas but, despite the lower ratings, I think Scarlet Heart is the more satisfying ultimately. It certainly has some truly awful scenes of cruelty and hate and characters who are evil in the extreme!

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This is why I chose one at the start of airing and stuck with it, while trying to avoid the other LOL.

Now that Moonlight has finished…my plan is to marathon Moon Lovers to finale week so I'm caught up with everyone and finishing at the same time.

I feel like this show is going to require me to have a planner or something….3 versions of the same drama! WTF-ery!!

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I feel like this needs to be a disclaimer on all Scarlet Heart recaps/comments lol.

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Warning: this show is habit forming.

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.....which may include watching 2 or 3 versions of each episode, reading commentaries, decoding chinese poems, researching historical facts, mastering the art of Google search, having illusions of grandeur for Lee Jun Gi, re-watching previous episodes, fixating on Lee Jun Gi, trolling Twitter, spying on Instagram, browsing Soompi and allocating time for DB recaps and responses! ?

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In the immortal words of @cherryarrow last week:

Look at us. We’re so screwed lol.

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@pogo

oh we're so screwed.

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@ YOYO

I love your disclaimer. I've done all of it except the Twitter thing because i don't have one. Haha.

I also go to youtube and search BTS. If my korean is only good. I would be lurking in Naver too.

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@Yoyo, I am having illusion for Lee Jun Gi!! As he is the main reason I'm watching this show.
Squeeeeee!!

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@LemonMeringue

Thanks to @ren, I got to see the leaked Youku version, then found myself watching the live SBS version and finally the subbed international release. Now the question is, should I watch all the Youku episodes??

The things I do for this show......

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Is there even anywhere to watch youku episodes with English subs?

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I mean all of them, that is, not just the leaked #16.

I can't believe I'm asking this.

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Oh man, I just left Soompi and found out there are THREE versions of ep 16 - Chinese, international and SBS - with none exactly identical.

* slaps forehead

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It's like the makers of this drama don't want to let us sleep or something.

Thankfully that's only one episode to hunt down this week, not two. (still, #@&! baseball tho, I wanted two! At least this restores the even-odd episode alignment so I hope next week doesn't end up pre-empted again either.

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Yeaaah. I noticed the 3 versions.

Because of the leaked. I watched the Chinese Version for the very first time. And then i watched SBS (raw) yesterday. So when i rewatched it again in Dramafever last night. I was like..What the hell? Haha!

All along there was 3 versions. THREE!

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@endo - same here! My three versions were SBS raw, international (non-China) subbed, and SBS subbed - but now the existence of an actually different Chinese cut that's not identical to ours, is blowing my mind!

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Wait, there's a 3rd version? I've seen SBS and Chinese youku version, where can you find the other version?

Also does anybody know if So fed Su food as well...? I thought he did feed her but I didn't see it in both versions.

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Surprisingly, Dramafever version is slightly different from Youku version.( But i'm just talking about Ep 16). It's my first time watching the Youku one and i really thought it's exactly the same as Dramafever. But i was wrong.

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I watched the chinese when it was leaked, I watched the SBS version as soon as kissasian translated the episode now I have to look for the international version and somehow I can't get enough !!!!

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For those interested, some of the key differences (credit to Soompi posters) include:

- Chinese/Youku version is the ONLY version that shows the convo between General Park, So, Ji Mong and Baek Ah before the break up scene. This appears minor, but changes enormously how the audience interprets So's reasons for breaking up with Soo. It's clear that he's breaking up to gain General Park's alliance, and underlines his determination to aim for the throne.

Otherwise, I think it's similar to the international version. Those of us who watched the "leaked" episode watched this version.

- International version (DF, One Asia) does not have back hug, Yo-Woo Hee convo, and has a shorter reunion scene. Less kissing too. And less scenes of Yo going psycho.

But it DOES have So empathizing with Yo, which I felt gave Yo's character complexity and showed So's ability to understand his brothers, even the one he disliked.

And it DOES have more Jung scenes; he asked for a favour from Yo which we can likely suspect relates to Soo.

- SBS version has what the international version missed out. And, a longer and more intense makeout scene, starting with Soo lingering over So's scars (and THIS was nice).

That's all I remember.

The hoops we have to jump through..

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@LemonMeringue - we're really so screwed.

I'd have laughed at anyone telling me just a year ago that I'd be so obsessed with a drama that gives me so much frustration and grief, and well, look at me now.

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Can i ask where can i watch those 3 versions? I'm confused whether i watched SBS version or international version. I watched it on newasiantv @[email protected]

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@Zebaejoe - if you're watching a version with the SBS logo in the top right-hand corner, that's what gets aired in Korea. You can find the subbed versions of those on kissasian.

The international version most of us refer to is the one seen on Dramafever and subbed by them. The Youku version will have Chinese subtitles at the bottom (and I don't think any of us saw subs for that until this week)

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Here is where I've been watching the 3 versions with english subs:

International version on Dramafever
SBS version on Kissasian
Chinese version on Dramalove

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What??? Youku version is different from international aka DramaFever version???

Dang!! I started watching on Youku cuz I didn't wanna have to wait for English subs. Then, I switched to the DramaFever version cuz Youku needed membership to watch the latest eps in full. And all the while watching the SBS version for each ep. Does this mean I need to rewatch the Chinese version eps? Or can someone who's been watching all 3 versions that only ep. 16 had such deviations from the international one?

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so where can we watched all these cuts? I'm dying of curiosity here.

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I think I'm watching the SBS version since it has SBS logo on the upper right side. Can anyone tell me if in the other cuts we get more medium shots rather than too many close up specially during dialogue?

I know everyone is so gorgeous in this drama but it wouldn't hurt to pull back the camera every once in a while.

The dead center CUs are so disorienting, there's a reason why we have rule of 3rds in framing a shot and a dead center CU does not work in a dialogue scene. It fails to identify relationship of space between the 2 characters conversing. and I know tv drama format is not supposed to be watched in one seating but since majority of us binge watch, too many CUs in an hour let alone successive hours of watching is too jarring.

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So not 2 but 3 versions now? Gosh! All along im watching youku and sbs version only.. when did the dramafever version start differing?

I can understand if there is SBS / International.. Why now even international in dramafever and youku is different? (they are definitely pre-produced and sold prior even ep1.. so cant be last min edit unlike SBS which i could understand since its due to their audience

So assuming SBS didnt edit theirs.. what version would it be.. dramafever or youku..

come to think of it.. i think the production team really underwent a horrible and messy time that they are having this problem prior to launch with two different version internationally to be sold and yet had to create a 3rd version with their own SBS copy due to feedbacks..

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Sooooooo did they do it after the kiss ????i cant help but scream all the time cause they're cute asf

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Yes, they did do it after the kiss because we see the candle blow out and then the next scene is them in the bed. Soo has her hair down and she's in her underclothes. Apparently, when the candle blows out that means they did it. A poster on Soompi (I think) said that the candle metaphor is used in Chinese historical dramas to mean that sex happened. First time she has seen it used in a Korean drama is here in Scarlet Heart Ryeo.

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Sassy Girl Chun-hyang did it! :D

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Ok Yo you have done it!!! Lets see who will stop So after what happened in this episode!!!
No matter in the begining of the drama went as showing So as the bad one!!!
He was the only one who was in the side of each of his brothers & the people he cared whenever needed most no one else!!!
And what is with that background score!!! For each of the character's death that song plays!!!
That only is enough is to make you cry!!! Damn that music score!!!
The laugh after killing Eun!!! God that was heart breaking!!!

Yo you really deserve Eun's hallucination!!! You deserve it!!! Nothing else to say...
Isn't the same thing is happening to Yo as happened to Moo???

Who else were dissapointed when you saw Jung instead of So in the room?
I definately did!!! :( but after what happened So won't come to the room after all!!! So sad!!!

BaekHa how come you are becoming cunning little by little!!!
Are you taking classes from your elder brothers in spying???

How come these guys do the episodes in a tearjerker way???
No matter of the episode if it is a sad episode it is definately a tearjerker!!!
I knew this will be a sad episode but didn't think this will be this much sad...
Didn't expect to cry but cried buckets in the begining of the episode!!!

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Not really,Moo was poisoned but Yo is having those halucinationes because of guilt even if it's hard to believe...in the Chinese version(leaked version) So said as well that Yo was always more sensible or weak minded(hard to imagine that one) and he must be among the ones who regrets most about Eun,so the guilt is killing his mind and body something that i find tragic yet rewarding at the same time as the true culprit of all this in my opinion is his Mother who made the person who was then

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Yeah, So did say that. He said Yo had always been the more sensitive one.

I'm sad that scene was deleted from the SBS version

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Indeed,it gave another view to Yo and actually made him even more pityful and also how So viewed him...Or more how So can really see the people around him,he can really read them and clearly know how they are molded...So really knows his brothers well,must say he must be the only one who can actually really know each one,his observation and feel is amazing

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Oh yeah, definitely. Mr ex Jafar is so weak minded, I mean to volunteer to be a puppet to his mother then his own brother? (Won, you really have to be cautious once So get the throne, good luck dude).

Remember how he reasoned to his mother that So needed to be kept because of a couple reason but one of it is because he assumed So held back because he's So's older brother. If weak minded means he easily swayed into being the good kid, brother, prince, and king that definitely gave us the window to their whole family dynamic.

Yo, the weak one (paying attention to only one, his mother's will -- extension the throne)
So, the forced to be strong one (paying attention to his surrounding by sacrificing his own).
Jung, the one who wore the horse blinders (I mean COME ON JUNG! Ya dumb sunava...sorry. You need a big gallon can of whoopass, child. Maybe I could smack some senses into you. I have higher hopes for you compare to Eun)

It is weird but this dynamic sort of play the typical first, middle, last child syndrome to the extreme.

King Taejo knew huh? Is that why he decided to send So away, especially after Mother dear try to kill him with fire arrows? And perhaps try to look nonchalant about him in front of everyone (pretending to not care, eventhough sending mask every year and even came just to see So's reaction).

Oh Soo....Remember how So hated your eyes when your gave him that pitiful expression? That's what you get now. You waste a perfectly good knowledge there. tsk tsk tsk.

Looking at how things going now, sigh, be still my heart, it seems that they will take the chinese version ending. My prediction is that Jung will be the one that guard Soo when she passes away. So will send her out of the palace and won't be seeing her, even her cremation/burial. Tragic end too?

In this version it didn't show that Yo grant Jung's special request and how Jung went to Damiwon to see Soo when Soo sneaked out to have her way with So. That's what I based my assumption on.

That song tho, it's like "Bad Day" by Daniel Powter for American Idol. Everytime that song emerge now we know somebody die. tsk tsk tsk. It's like Beethoven funeral march.

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I'm totally confused.. I watched it on S-one channel so it must've been the international version, right? It was advertised as aired at the same time as Korea. Later I rewatched at dramacool and have no idea if there any discrepancy. Lol!

Btw I agree so far 4th prince So is quite insightful of his brothers. Except for Wook. Can anybody explain if So ever find out about Hae Soo's crush on Wook?

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@TourmalineMillie @Miky -

oh dear, I wish that scene had been kept in by SBS. I thought it was lovely, not only for the way it showed Yo's guilt (and that he actually was capable of feeling guilt), but So's essential compassion, in being able to see even the most hateful of his brothers with a touch of sympathy (even if he still means to get rid of him and take the throne anyway).

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Yes, I preferred the flow of the international version better, and precisely because of what you mentioned.

It didn't have the back hug scene, but even without it, I think the development of the SoSoo loveline unfolded well.

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Hard to believe Yo being sensitive, but I can see him being torn with guilt on killing his innocent little brother who did nothing wrong to him. I mean they grew up together. I wish the drama would have been able to show this side of Yo too.

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I wonder if they were suggesting he was actually seeing spirits and it was driving him mad.

Or -- then again -- there's always the possibility of Wook and his crazy sister putting mercury in his bath. Their mole is still in the palace. And at some point she needs to get caught.

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yeah but Yo knows it was bathtime mercury poisoning that did Mu in, I doubt he'd be dumb enough to fall for that scheme himself.

I thought what you did - that Yo was plagued by (what he imaged were) Eun and Soon-deok's spirits right from the moment Jung dropped those arrow stems in front of him. Baby bro wanted to ensure that his big brother didn't forget their deaths, and clearly, he succeeded.

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Who else were dissapointed when you saw Jung instead of So in the room?

ME. and worsen by the horse hair...

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And those "stache" like sideburns too....

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I swear I've never seen sideburns like those in my life. They look more like eyebrow hairs than, well, the sideburns of a person with straight/wavy hair.

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LOL on the horse hair part. Love how you guys in DB do thorough review, opinions and making hilarious comments.

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At least it was better than his former brushed back, gangster wannabe look.

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Yeah me too.....I like Ji Soo a lot but seeing Jung where you want So is disappointing. Even worse because of that horrible hair (why does he only have such bad hair, everyone else's hair is at least better than that).

But the only ones who look good with long hair in this drama are Lee Jun Ki and Nam Joo Hyuk. Jung's hair is not that bad in the poster and when he was just a prince but after he becomes general it's really bad.

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Hahaha maybe im the only one who think jung become more cool and mature with that hair

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I just want to shout at him to get a hairbrush lol. Or at least tie your hair up properly.

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Yeah, I liked it too. He needed Something, to give him a little more gravitas, since he is supposed to be a battle-hardened general and all (yeah, right, with that baby face).

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He looks like he's back from playing in dirt, not fighting battles (even if Jung in history would have been actually leading them by Ji-soo's current age)

They really need to find him a better wig.

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But this time he's not in the battlefield, he was at home! His mother makes so much fuss over him, she should teach him to at least tie his hair back properly, or use a comb.

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@junah i was like seriously, and crossed my fingers hopping So also doesn't spot the same hairstyle

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Nooooo why would you even suggest that

Now i need to pray for Lee Jun Ki's hair

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Damnnn.... The editing is getting worst, my head hurts!!
Anw, here are the highlights of ep.16:

My fave part:
So : why didn't you tell me about Eun?? Didn't you trust me?
Soo : sorry, I did not trust you... But after Seun Dook told me to trust you... errr, I mean I trust you now.. Really.... I swear!! O_O
So : .... T_T
(Su... You kinda deserve this, girl... I want to root for you, but your lack of trust to someone who always stay with you for the past 3 years is kinda sucks..)

After 2 years (time skip):
Yo. : he is gone mad. Poor him.. His mother still pestering him even after he becomes the King, no wonder he is going mental. Where are his wive(s) anw?? She should stay with him and kick his mother out!! Or maybe they are currently fighting to be the no.1 queen just like his mother and Wook's mother did??
Won : still annoying AF. What did he gain from staying with Yo anw?? Did Yo give him a good position in the kingdom?? Anything??
Baek Ah & Woo hee : What is their story?? Are they married now? But based on Baek Ah's hairdo, I guess they aren't.
Chae Yoon : soo... She is getting away with Moo's mercury poisoning, isn't she?? No one bother to investigate it anymore?? Anyone?? I guess not... *sighh*
Wook : I thought he wants to be the king, but after 2 years he is still doin nothingggg... Sighh..
So : does he... use eyeliners now??? Well, at least he knows what he wants now. At this point, I don't care anymore... He should just revolt and be the king... A.S.A.P

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"Chae Yoon : soo… She is getting away with Moo’s mercury poisoning, isn’t she?? No one bother to investigate it anymore?? Anyone?? I guess not… *sighh*"

I think Wang So will be the one to find out and she will be hanged or something like that. That's what I remember from the long trailer. I'll take that over steaming.

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Oh damn, I really hope they don't forget about Chae's betrayal....she murdered the freaking king!!!

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Oh I hope as well they haven't forgotten that. Girlfriend was all chipper this episode...and I was just sitting there thinking...wow, I know a couple years have passed but could she be any more happy? *rollseyes*

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Yeah, I thought she seemed super chippery shameless, too!

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Chipper, happy and without any trace of feeling remorse!! That's why I am so iritated.
Seriously, if Soo will leave So when he hang CY after what she did to Mo, I am done with So. Just let So be happy with someone who truly appreciate him.

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IU is not playing a sageuk character and I'm not expecting her to act like one but she does pick it up pretty fast. I'm impressed!

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Well, there's now another king that seems to be experiencing the symptoms of mercury poisoning. While Wook is on the sidelines waiting for another of his schemes to hatch...

But then right when the symptoms are turning fatal...
So returns. *facepalm*

Dude is like the show's Wile-E-Coyote, to So's Roadrunner.

Agree that it's all going to catch up with Chae. Such an annoying remorseless character.

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Hahaha imagine if Wook managed to poison not one but TWO kings but still never became king himself? Serves you right.

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Well, it's either going to be Chae Yoon or Woo Hee.
That part in the original made me sick. Hanging is more fitting for a Goryeo era.

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omg if it's Woo Hee..... poor Baekah. It's even more troubling because Soo trust both CR and WH and both are spies.

That line So gave her when she first came to the palace about never trusting anyone or you'll die, is so true.

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Woo-hee's story is a complete idol PPL. The last surviving princess of Baekje was with her father when he surrendered to Goryeo. Her own father the former king of Hubaekje aka later Baekje spearheaded the unification (fighting on Goryeo's side) by destroying the very nation that he built.
Taejo did not kill her father at all. He welcomed them to Goryeo and treated him like his own father.

If she was a bit convincing in anyway or form then it would've been easier to ride with her story. But really? you are just going to walk in there and assassinate a war hero like Taejo? Okaaaay lol.

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Seriously I don't know why they give Woo Hee screen time, the character is pointless and the actress is worse.

People making up all kinds of excuses for why she's so bad should just look at Soon Deok, that actress is a rookie too but in a whole different class as an actress. And poor Soon Deok ends up being killed off while Woo Her remains.

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Sorry, I mean to spell Woo HEE. Stupid autocorrect.

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@pigsnout
Sageuk is not an easy genre to pull off and these idols are severely lacking to begin with and it's showing.

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@Kiara I think idols acting is ok as long as they can at least convey emotion properly. I think IU does well at that and her character came from the 21 century anyway so it's ok if he speech is not perfect.

Baekhyun in early eps was really bad but I thought he acted his death scene really well, I almost cried. Z. Her is actually great in this role even though it's a small one she really shines. It's only Seohyun who is totally this terrible, everything about her is so stiff.

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Sorry, I meant to say Z. Hera. I find her acting really good for a character who could so easily just be annoying and clingy, but as Soon Deok she was so sweet I just end up loving her.

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@Kiara - well, they do tell us at the start of every episode that this drama took creative liberties with history as we know it. And as you know, I actually don't even think the "history" modern-Su knows is the same as ours (she's from a kind of AU?).

And even with all that, I'd have no issues with her storyline if Seohyun was less stiff or even had some chemistry with Nam Joo-hyuk. Like I can take IU's sageuk speech being off since she came from 2016, but it's weird that the person from supposed Hubaekje sounds more modern than the one from Korea 2016.

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Exactly what I said, I wouldn't have an issue with the storyline if she was a bit convincing. She is terribly lacking for this genre. Most of these idols are. They should stick them first in modern rom.com for more practice.
Han Ye-ri played a fictional character with a fictional storyline in SFD but she was so convincing as heck you'd think she existed in that era. No one has has chemistry with a sword like Ye-ri. When she wield it you just know someone is going to die.
(Even if the writing is lacking, a good actor can elevate it and make it believable).
Her story is part fictional history and the other half is probably based on BBJX's Min Min. I just can't picture her as a princess of Baekje or the other.

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Which brings us back to that ginormous pot Su was stirring the life out of that paste when they were making those paper lanterns. The same pot can be used to boil people alive. Hah. Who knew that pot had other uses than boiling paste?!!

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Oh my goodness, the giant pot... now I'm imagining that scene and let's just say I'm glad I haven't had lunch yet. ?

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I was totally thinking about the original when I saw that huge pot. Didn't she watch the drama? It came out before she was transported to Goryeo lol.

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@Liar - but Su in modern times is Korean, why will she watch a Chinese drama? Or maybe she knows of it but never saw it so never saw the boiling.

Was that a thing they actually did in China or is it just made up for fantasy?

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@Kiara - sorry, my autocorrect spelled your name wrong.

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@pigsnout, Ancient China bears one of the most gruesome history of torturing and execution methods that oftentimes exceed our imagination (for example don't know if you've ever heard of slow slicing? *gulp*) and yes, being boiled alive is one of them, either in oil or water. ?

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What angieya said. China's method of execution was unimaginable but it wasn't just China, Middle East and Europe were just as cruel.

Goryeo (Taejo) was known to be a merciful ruler. When his enemies surrendered he'd let them live and I think it was a form of respect and honor between these warring states. Taejo had a respectable reputation before he even became king.

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Why would she watch a Chinese drama? BBJX was very popular in and outside of China.

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O_O please never transport me to any past time then, I prefer to be tortured in current days where at least someone can make a human rights protest

@Kiara I understand BBJX was popular even outside of China but we don't always watch other nations dramas even the popular obes, especially if they are in a different language. So maybe Su because she's Korean, never got into it?

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I used to hear of boiling people in oil but I really thought that was just a thing they made up for stories.....to know it's real is just O_O

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I'm still not over the boiling part. I don't think I'll ever be over the fact that it was a real thing, even if I'm furious at Chae-ryung and Wook.

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At this point, I will not be sorry if Su leaves So. Frankly, I am with disgusted with her faulty reasoning, her wavering loyalty, and her lack of intuition. She has been a drag on So in ways that have more than repaid the initial good she did for him. I haven't been this unimpressed with a heroine, in terms of both the way she is written and the way she is acted, since Gu Family Book.

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I'll give you faulty reasoning, but 'wavering loyalty'? She explained her reason for holding back on the knowledge that Eun was in hiding with her, and I'm pretty sure she said quite clearly she initially kept quiet because she felt it was in So's interest not to know and to have to make the choice to kill Eun on Yo's orders/she doesn't want to put him in the way of having blood on his hands.

Of course, it all went horribly pear-shaped and So was rightfully hurt by her lack of trust (letter notwithstanding), but Su's loyalties have always been clear - she wants to keep the peace in the Goryeo royal family, and she's willing to do anything to avoid bloodshed. That's been her position ever since Taejo's reign, the problem is when it's at odds with her relationship with So (and she waited for him for two years anyway).

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she should pay for her crimes!!
she is so cunning..maybe she is still Won's eyes & ears in Damiwon.
Hahaha..
I am one of those who will cheer for her execution.?

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I try to have some pity and think maybe she was forced, but then she's just happy and laughing two years later....

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Of course she wasn't alone in this. She must have done it out of loyalty to Wook or she was being blackmailed by one of the princes. Maybe she has a story that we are not aware of.

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Obviously Wook and Won have more responsibility and she was just their servant but it's like she totally forgot she did anything wrong :/

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@Kiara - like someone said, they better have threatened her whole family with painful death to get her to agree to the poisoning. Because she's offensively chipper now, and I'm just like.... how?

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@pogo
Yes that makes sense. (I was thinking of Yu Tan's relationship in the original with the 9th prince too).
She does look too happy for someone who was involved in the death of the former king.

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Nice input and on point on a lot of things that happened. I marathon this drama over the weekend and I just accept everything the way it presented to me, but now that I read this comments, I start to think now, ahh why I didn't think about that? I think I'm just too engrossed on how pretty Lee Jun Ki is, that my mind stopped thinking.

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The only good thing about these close up shots is getting a good look at his face lol.

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@4drama: I finally forced myself to watch this show (I'm a happy ending kind of girl and I knew this one would kill me) and I didn't think Lee Joon-gi was that attractive. Now I'm wondering if I a) had a lobotomy or b) need a lobotomy, because he's freaking gorgeous. The storyline has so many flaws that I can see why it wasn't well-received in Korea, but I can forgive all that for just five minutes of LJG's wolf calls. My mind has followed yours.

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I think the editing in both version is not bad compared to previous episodes. I can feel the flow of the story now.

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Yeah and they even stopped using horrible OSTs! So much better to just have regular music in the background.

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Their ost is not horrible ??

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I used to watch it with no sound unless Jun-ki is talking. I love his voice and sageuk tone.

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Holy crap on a cracker, what an episode! No, what a week for MLSHR Starting from the Monday episode release fiasco (I have never hated baseball as much in my entire life...and I usually love it) to the episode itself.
There was PLOT everywhere this episode and the SoSoo/SoHae ship still had enough time to sneak in some momemts we'll be regretting ever seeing come Episode 20.

1. Our favorite death song made its appearance again
I absolutely love Im Sun Hae's Will Be Back but I seriously can't handle it when I hear it start in the background.
Eun and Soondeok's deaths were amazingly sad. The directing, acting, music, everything of that scene was engineered to make me cry. Eun asking So to kill him as the wish he promised way back was just depressing. Eun really stepped up as a character. The fact that the Eun in his last scene was the same childish, immature Eun we've come to know made the entire scene much more poignant and sad. In the moment where it counted the most, Eun became the man deserving of Soondeok's love. I'm just broken that Soondeok didn't get to witness Eun's defining moment. She didn't get to see Eun ask to follow her into death because he couldn't leave her alone...Dammit, the ninja's around me are cutting onions again...
Let me not get started on So's hysteric laughter after he dealt the finishing blow. I wonder how LJG was after filming that scene. I imagine the emotions he had from immersing himself in that entire scene would have been quite overwhelming. So's hysteric laughter was perfect in that moment.

2. The Breakup
Yep. I am so glad Soo's failure to trust So had some consequences. I mean, I can't imagine how they could have glossed over the fact that it led to So having to kill his brother (mercy killing, as it were). But the part I love most is the fact that it wasn't just about So's anger. Here's where I think the International version had a leg up on the SBS version: After So saw Soo's letter (WHY THE HECK DIDN'T HE OPEN IT THOUGH!! THE HANDWRITING...), we then cut to the meeting with the General where he wanted to know what So was willing to give up in order to get the throne. Then we cut to the breakup scene. There was no doubt that his breaking up with Soo was because he intended to give up someone he loved for the throne. This scene might have been almost the same in both versions, but I preferred where the Int'l version placed it and how it flowed. The flashback to it was okay though. I think they also cut out Jimong and Baek Ah declaring where their loyalties lay in regards to So aiming for the throne.
Anyway, the breakup had 3 levels to it: a) So was mad at Soo for not telling him where Eun was. It was a sign that she didn't trust him. And if she didn't trust him, how could she love him. b) As mentioned above, it was a way to solidify his determination for the throne. c) it was a way to protect Soo. The scene with Yo and Weasel Won and the...

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(cont'd)

the godsforsaken arrow showed quite clearly that So was aware that as long as Soo was thought of as his weakness, she wasn't safe.

3. The Makeup
How utterly amazing was that entire scene? Just one question I have to ask: They totally did it, didn't they? That candle was the most expressive candle I've ever seen in my life. How can one candle going out be so sexy?

Gosh I have so much to say and not enough words or time to say it but I'm pretty sure people here will say it way more eloquently than I ever could.
Now I have to run...

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1. The onion ninja came to my living room too (im one of those who has luxury of international airing). And OMG. Why they always make the death scene awfully beautiful and serene? While the said death scene are executions. Why editors? Why? Why didn't you use those ability to create the other scenes too?

2. Me too curious if the letter was in hangul or hanja ;p

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In the version I saw, we saw Soo begin the letter in Hanja. I am pretty sure. :-)

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They did it.

I refuse to be told the otherwise.

Leave me alone in my wildest fantasy.

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Yaaaaayyy for fanfic (that I'll hunt down) and our wild imagination. Lol!!!

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In the interest of academic research, I compared the make up scene in both international and domestic versions.

In the international scene: So and Soo kiss -> separate-> hug -> candle -> lights out.

In the SBS version: So and Soo kiss -> Kiss some more -> candle -> lights out.

Pray tell, beanies, which was better?

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Neither, we didn't get to see anything after the lights out. -.-

But if I had to choose, SBS. The more kisses the happier I am.

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My imagination was waaaaaaaaay better because it had all the important details that a mere candle represented. Plus, I have the liberty of playing it over and over again to my hearts content. *chuckles*

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I have to guve u thumbs up for this comment ??

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The make-out scene suddenly reminded me that Hae Soo came from the future and in the future she used to have a bf, probably not her first and only bf. Forgive me but I'm wondering if this is Hae soo's first time?

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Practically speaking, I don't think either of them are virgins. Men of that time and station got sexual experience pretty early on, probably through prostitutes or some kind of designated woman for the job. Ha Jin is most likely not a virgin, mentally. I think while she's has had sex before, Hae Su's body probably has not. So it would be like she would physically experience losing her virginity, but she would be prepared for it mentally.

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The arrow flew high and struck So in the arm. Imagine what would have happened if it had flown low and struck So down there, where the future of Goryeo lies...

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Hilarious in hidnsight, but the future of Goryeo actually laid with Baek Ah of all people. So's direct bloodline ended pretty quick and Baek Ah's issue from his affair with some maid ended up continuing the bloodline of Taejo.

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*hindsight

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Baek Ah: OG Goreyo Playa

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Lol the good looking Wang line would end.

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Hey the other Wang brothers aren't bad-looking lol.

It's just that no one quite matches So's level of unearthly beauty.