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Open Thread #531

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Hi everyone! Merry Christmas! My rundown for the week:

Fantastic Duo Christmas Special was spectacular. It’s a top quality singing show that really gives amateurs an opportunity to sing with Korea’s biggest stars who graciously give the stage over so that the newbies can shine. The name says it all.

I Am Not A Robot – I want the “Don’t Touch Me I’m Sick” sweatshirt worn by our finicky genius Ssanip mostly for when I just don’t want to talk to anyone. 

I Live Alone – I love this group, their calendar shots, the fashionista photoshoot with a hilarious story line and poor Hyun Moo thinking that he looked like a million with the invisible tape at his temples pulling back his eyes like an alien. What an interesting mix of personalities, but somehow over the season, they have clearly created a fond bond that I didn’t expect and love them all the more for it.

How are we on Night Goblin episode 20?

Dragon Club members crying over the movie “I Can Speak” - I haven’t
seen the movie yet but really want to. Not a dry eye among the guys.

I guess I’ve been a k-entertainment junkie lately – also watching Radio Star, Kang’s Kitchen – a spinoff of New Journey to the West with the same cast (not sure it’s gonna fly with the concept of running a restaurant with absolutely no experience), Entertainment Weekly, Late Night E, King of Mask Singers, and, of course, Law of the Jungle.

Stranger (Netflix – also called Secret Forest) is pretty good although the inner workings of a corrupt prosecutors’ office/government branches is becoming a bit drawn out. It’s kind of sad seeing Lee Joon Hyuk as a crummy prosecutor in Stranger because I can’t get his role in City Hunter as Kim Young Joo - a good prosecutor (sniff) - out of my head. I keep expecting to see Lee Min Ho running past wearing a face mask and a black cap.

And last but not least, I am deeply saddened by the death of Jonghyun this week–I can’t imagine how grieved his family and members of SHINee and friends must be. Late Night E News ep 49 has a chronological overview of Jong Hyun’s debut and highlights with SHINee and as host of Blue Night. It is a heartbreaking loss and a tragic realization that he was lonely and hurting. Jonghyun, you will be greatly missed.

Until next year, ♥ owl {{{both hands waving}}}

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Hi owl!

I watch many of the same variety programs as you, and love them.

I’ve only caught one episode of Fantastic Duo 2 (Taeyang vs Baek Jiyoung) and thought you described it perfectly.

I Live Alone was a revelation for me as a viewer; like you, I never thought this motley crew would be this close...and hilarious! I love Han Hye Jin when she’s in model mode and how she gets all flustered by the teasing from the ILA gang. Narae is such an effervescent girl. She cooks well and has a kind personality too. That said, her punctuality booboo during the Vogue shoot could be a blemish on her image. Kian84 is like a cuddly teddy bear that’s just a little shabby but lovable all the same. His reticence and concern with reference to Narae is sweet to watch. Lee Sieon might seem like a typical single man with a dirty home but he must be a nice chap, given how his friends treat him (I believe many of his guests mentioned that he’s someone they can rely on).

Night Goblin has become more interesting since they started shooting in the day time. They’ve managed to turn somewhat-dull scenes in the earlier episodes (where the bulk of the show takes place at night) to brighter ones with stunning scenery and glorious food! JR is like a little puppy and Lee Su Geun always shines! I wish Chun Jungmyung would loosen up, though.

Kang’s Kitchen is a riot because of the clever editing – the K-drama soundtracks and witty captions, plus the cutaways to peaceful scenes when Hodong seemed to be on the verge of blowing up, crack me up! The unexpected focus on minor details just demonstrates the brilliance of the editing team. I actually rewound the opening sequence during the first episode just to see exactly how they integrated the little yellow man in the graphics. :)

Teared when I read Jonghyun’s departure note, and the messages from his friends. I’m completely unfamiliar with him but couldn’t help feeling twinges of sadness, despite that.

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Wow, we really do watch the same k-variety shows! For me, I Live Alone was the biggest pleasant surprise as far as team spirit and I like how you covered the regulars (Henry, too, who is happily all over the map isn't he). I forgot to mention Abnormal Summit - a show I've watched since the beginning when they only expected to last 20 episodes. It's so interesting and informative to listen to expats describe their (mostly) positive experiences living in Seoul. Some of the "abnormal" issues are whack, but they always manage to make a good conversation/debate of it all.

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I want a t-shirt that says, "don't bother me. I'm in training." Like those assistance dogs wear. (Not for all the time, just when I don't feel like being bugged.)

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Quite a few Korean shows are disappearing from UK Netflix shortly, so may be over-watching over Xmas. Age of Youth 2 is now on, though, so I can have a look at that.

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How do you know which ones are going to disappear? Is there a list somewhere?

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I follow an account called New On Netflix - https://uk.newonnetflix.info For UK/US, as well as new arrivals it also tells you what's leaving (under the catalogue heading - "leaving soon") :)

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Thank you! Perfect.

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Most websites with an entertainment section usually make a post of it each month or so. I'm familiar with some of the US based ones, but not the UK ones. So you might have to do a google search for it. Usually something like 'coming and leaving Netflix' gets you the list. Just take note if the list is for your region. e.g. of the US based one http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/11/20/leaving-netflix-in-december-2017

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Just Between Lovers -

Don't wait. Don't hesitate. The rare kdrama romance i'm interested in.
Wath it everyone. It dos have those cliche, typical kdrama elements. Ignore them if possible and watch this erfect winter treat.

I don't believe in marketed festivals much and i never wish anyone over such trivial things. Not even new year wishes. Though, i do happily receive them.

@sancheezy wanna read some of Adachi Mitsuru' mangas these holidays? anyone other interested is openly invited.
What

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I want to get into anime..can you recommend some... complete n in English.. good ones on plot.. not too random

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Mandatory watch - Oregairu. , NHK in Youkoso

star wars far better edition - Lotgh

Romance - Touch = many others will recommend later

Comedy, Slice of life - Barakamon, Handa-kun, Tanaka-Kun is always listless, tonari no seki-kun, SILVER SPOON and many more. I'm mostly into slice of life and sports genre.

Cute Girls Doing Cute stuff - K-On!, Kill me Baby, Koufuku Graffiti, Tamako Market, Non Non Biyori
Hibike! Euphonium
and many more

Sports - Ace of Diamond and Ping Pong is a must

This is just a start. There are over 3000 shows and 10% of them are worth watch.

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will start with mandatory watch.. where do you usually watch these?Btw do you know if Cheese in the trap manga got completed? if it did, how did it end?

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A legal site is Crunchyroll. There are many not so legal sites just like there are for dramas.

Some of my favourites are:
For foodies: Food Wars
For light action fantasy: Ancient Magus Bride
For entry into action: Seven Deadly Sins
For I've seen too many action anime: One Punch Man
For BL/LBGTQI storyline: Yuri!!! On ICE
Highly recommended by anime fans that I've yet to watch: Erased, and March Comes In Like a Lion

Like @CatoCat said, there are many many many anime shows out there.

You can use the following guest pass on Crunchyroll which should give you 48hr ad free access to shows on there. If someone on here redeemed it before you could, msg me on my wall and I'll give you another one.

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Lol. Forgot to post the guest pass code.
QSVU4TKNY8H

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I second @catocat on Barakamon & @sancheezy on Ginatama. But Gintama is made for those already fans, I think - over the top humor, not so pretty setting, and A LOT of parody of other manga/anime.

Other favorites - Mushishi, Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki kun or Natsume Yuujinchou.

Most people normally start with/get into anime because of the shounen classics - Death Note, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and so on.

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Those main stream series are heavily action dominated and long.
Nozaki-kun demands familiarity with lot of shoujo tropes.
I usually don't recommend Mushishi and Natsume to new comers but i think it might work for @alasecond.

Have you ever watched Capeta?

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True, true. Particularly about the shounen series - even I haven't finished any, despite my love for them. Just. Too. Long.

It's a matter of what appeals to @alasecond, as you say.

Capeta, have not seen. Is it relatively new? I havent heard of it either.

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I just thinking of watching just between lovers and you commented,

What manga do you suggest? I've been out of touch with manga and kdrama lately, TT.TT

I watch Gintama live action this week and Masaki Suda comedic timing is so good, I was laughing the entire time shinpachi is being silly so definitely a good live action imo.

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I am also not reading any manga for past many months.
Kdrama - Just Between Lovers
Manga - Komi-san can't communicate and Aharen-san wa Hakarenai and Chihaya-san's Fine That Way for easy read.

Gintama's humour is not of my taste. That's didn't watch the movie.

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Been waiting for Just Between Lovers to be reviewed here by the db team, but it is not so I guess I can join the discussion when someone mention it on ot..
Glad that you mention it..
Hope that many other beanies watching it also cos it' s so good..
Such a treat..

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Just Between Lovers - a pure delight from the get go. It's the only drama I am following live. I prefer to wait and marathon dramas, but this one I can't wait. And my surprise discovery? A new star! The male lead in JBL is a noona killer. And last night, when I was marathoning Chief Kim, found him to be that hot prosecutor I wanted to strangle to death at many points in the drama. Lee Joon Ho, this noona is going to follow your career closely!

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It seems like just yesterday that I was grieving for Kim Joo Hyuk's sudden death and was deeply saddened again by Jong Hyun's passing. I believe all of us who started to love Kpop/kdrama/variety shows and who has been with this for the past 5-10 years are affected by the news. Shinee is one of my earliest kpop influence and I truly adore them. It hurts to think that he chose to let go, how hurtful has it been for him to endure it all these while. You did well sweet angel. Rest in peace.

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Beautifully said mrsdimple. I'm in that category. I'm not a big kpop enthusiast, but SHINee is and always will be a special part of my life. I hope the boys seek help if they need it. I hope they are protected and cared for. I hope anyone who is depressed finds the strength to seek help and find peace in their heart and mind. Such a tragedy. RIP Jonghyun.

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Just finished epi 1 Wise Prison Life - gosh the epi was too long. I paused it twice. It was a nice introduction, not officially hooked yet but I have 9 epi to catch up so I'll take time to watch it.

It's going to be a long weekend, have a great holiday everyone!

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It's really long long episode. I skip alot lol

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LOL. I might not skipping any scene, but pause button might be my best friend while watching. Even watching 60 mins epi already feel too tiring, what more longer than that. I feel comfortable for what MBC and SBS did for their drama, by splitting one hour drama to two episodes, I can take some break while watching.

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It's just an habit when there is a filler and i feel like it add nothing, i skipp lol. Because mybtime is limit watching a drama, so if i think i won't miss anything if i miss that scene, i fast forward it to the next scene. Haha

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The 2 first episodes seems a bit long but I was hooked at the 3rd (when he changed prison and inmates) and now I'm patiently waiting for the subs!

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Thanks. 😄 This made ke want to skip epi 2 LOL

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It takes me three sittings to get through an episode--they're super long and very boring in parts. Not sure why I am still watching, yet here I am lol.

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i stopped some 5 times in ep 1.. is it worth continuing watching it? wasn't hooked or super in love with ep 1

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Eh, I'd say no, but I have no patience for the director anymore. There are some good bits, and the cast is decent, but for every hour and a half episode, there's maybe 20 minutes that feels worth it imo.

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@juniper The length is like we are watching a movie. It's super long and tiring. I'm okay with that, as long as it gets me excite and awake. But it seems there is alot of filler in between, so i skip alot. So far by doing that I think haven't miss anything significant lol.

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I'm not even sure there is anything significant in the entire thing lol. It doesn't have anything to say about prison, or about how people deal with being imprisoned, or even what prison can turn people into. And the writer is so sure the hero doesn't belong in prison that the dude never never even struggles with guilt, and the writer never bothers to convince the viewers that bashing someone's head in is totally understandable. idk, it feels more like their next AM male lead wandered into a never ending string of prison comedy sketches and is undergoing some kind of weird endurance test. The romantic flashbacks don't help in that regard.

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@juniper oh thank you for your overall review. I'm still on episode 3. And they keep deliver the same approach. So in wonder if the show will have similar approach for the rest of the series? Your review is helping alot.

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I'm glad to know I'm not the only one having trouble with it haha. I'm not much further than you, I'm halfway through episode 5 atm. Let's hope it gets a bit better in the second half lol.

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@juniper - you've given a beautifully concise but accurate analysis of why Wise Prison Life isn't working for me as well. I watched Eps 1 & 2, then skipped ahead to 5 & 6 for Jung Hae In, watched only his parts and then decided I was done.

and @missjb - as you said, despite all that skipping (two and a half entire episodes), I really don't feel like anything changed. Different cell/prison/different cell mates - that's all.

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Any of you girls watching "Bad Guys 2" ?

I'm definitely skipping "Prison" now. If you guys don't care much for it then I wouldn't too.

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I didn't heard much about Bad Guys 2 so far. Have the subs even out? LOL.

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Like you and @seralovestteobokki I'm curious as well about Bad Guys 2. There's not a word about it on the fan walls either. Haha

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Hwayugi starts this week. For the sake of these amazing casts, I hope it will be good. I think it will do well in rating as long as viewers can relate to the story, because it is romcom and fantasy drama also usually are well-received such as the current Black Knight.

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It's goblin phenomenon.. m expecting breakthrough ratings..12 ish for sure..

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I hope ratings don't pass 10, i don't want he leaving us again .

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you mean movies? when did he leave ? 2012 was my girlfriend is a guniho.. 2013 was king drama with ha ji won (and i don't like ha ji won's acting at all atleast not in this drama) ... which was a major flop.. '14 he had that movie with MCW. and 2015 he was back with the variety program with na PD.. 2016 feb he enlisted..

he isn't going anywhere..

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I cannot freaking wait. Will have drive around town looking for a Subway to make my offering to the dramagods. The one on campus is gone!

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Man, if this one fails, it probably goes down as the most hyped drama failure in many years. But I am really thinking it won't. (although also worried that they have such a large cast - which sometimes leads to confusion and meager story lines)

It should be out in 24 hours. Ha!

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It's hong sister drama. Don't expecting too much.

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They are no Kim Eun-sook when it coming to ratings too.
I'm probably the only one who doesn't care about this drama or the cast.

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I'm giving this drama the chance for Oh Yeon-seo, Cha Seung-won and Lee Se-young. I won't even care about this drama if not because of them until I hear positive things about it lol. Hong Sisters' era have long gone too.

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No @kiara , you are not the only one. I don't care too. I don't even know when it will airing lol. I agree, at least Kim Eun Suk know what the public want, and the marketing behind her is also has to take the credit.

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I've watched 2 episodes and find it boring, i didn't puse or f/f but i don't find it gripping, I expected it to be more funny.
The long episodes are not my problem I just didn't like it, I forced myself on the first episode because everyone was praising while i was bored in the first 10 minutes but i gave it a chance but still not liking it. I think I'll pass.

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Oh no...

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I think the genre is black comedy which is not for everyone. I might skip epi 2 and straight away jump to epi 3 LOL, I don't think I would miss a lot.

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As a Shawol, you can imagine how horrible my week has been...

However, it warms my heart how the international Shawols and Kpoppers choose to celebrate him and embrace mental illnesses and the ones who suffer from it. They also encourage us all to live our life to the fullest, without regrets. I strongly believe that Jonghyun wants to be remembered that way, rather than just be an idol that we mourn for a while and then just move on from.

We as individuals might not be therapists, but voicing your support can make a difference. That is also something I love about this Beanie community. Beanies post comments or reviews that show their vulnerability, and other Beanies are always ready to offer advice, support, or simply a listening ear and understanding.

First: I would like to thank all Beanies who were brave enough to share their struggles, because that way others know they are not weird or alone.

Second: I would like to thank all Beanies who ever replied to any vulnerable post or review, or even just upvoted it and thought about it (some of us are shy ;) ). You might make someone’s day better or even teach them something new.

And last but not least: Merry Christmas to you all ! 

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Thank you for saying this! I also really enjoy and value the Beanie community ((sending out lots of love to everyone!!!!))

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Thank you for your reply! I wanted to encourage Beanies to continue being awesome human beings, seems like you understood the message ;)

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First of all:

IM IN LOVE WITH PRISON PLAYBOOK. all characters in the drama is so cute and darn funny! the 90 mins length worth every second. it does not give anxiety like when im watching reply `88 too

my favorite characters~ obviously Haerongie and LT Paeng. now Capt Yoo has changed his tune and ready to be like Kaist and hit Haerongie LOL. but i want more focus to Joon Ho. his arc as baseball player stop suddenly. why?he received the last damage from that accident. did he has trauma or something? now from prison guard, he's taken teacher's cert too?
Sad there is no recap anywhere on internet, not even in DB. ah well, nothing we can do about it.

Then, Doubtful Victory! whoo! such a long ep on that 100 million won arc. I pray Jong Sam will get a true ally who can help to clear his name. he's not stupid, he just lack ally and resources. i cant wait to see him working as detective. Park Soo Chil (Kim Hee Won) need to help him ASAP.

Last~ its been 4 days, but it still hard to accept but REST IN PEACE SHinee Kim Jonghyun. your decision was really hard to accept even to casual fans, but at least you are in better place. may you be happy wherever you are. You've done well. Really well.

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if it doesn't involve any who's the husband game a la reply series, I might start watching prison playbook. I'm still pissed off about reply 1988, LOL.

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So far it doesn't, that's what I'm loving about it too. Just chock-full of heartwarming, flawed, human characters and a great slice-of-lifey feel. I actually love Prison Playbook more than R88

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thank god, no husband hunting this time. well, obviously its not the same writer. its one of their junior writer this time. but we do get some dose of noble idiocy from male character. BUT! no worries. Jung Kyung Ho is there to be our avatar and hit ML when he do noble idiot acts.

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but no Prison Playbook episode next week TT.TT.

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I've been meaning to watch Prison Playbook for a while, but too many other dramas on my list. Might try to pick it up early next year.

BTW, your handle has me quite curious.

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I really love theme of the month this month surely is wonderful hearing how fellow beanies 2017 was. Each post is unique and fun to read. ☺️

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True. I sent mine recently, by the way. I hope they publish it, since at least twice it has happened that I sent it on the verge of tge 24th/25th and they were not posted... Maybe because I was too late? Well, this time I sent it on the 20th... so I hope, I really hope they post it. I also want to share my perspective with all of you.

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Merry christmas.

My heart feels heavier even after saying goodbye for several time on social media.

It feels like it's a drama and I'm not affected by what happen because it's just a drama. I am in denial phase..I want so badly that Jonghyun would appear out of nowhere and tell me that this is just a joke or stupid social experiment to tell us that we should appreciate him even before this event.

The thing is.. I did.

SHINee is that group that never fail to impress me with their performance. They're so funny on variety show and no doubt they are talented. SHINee were my first Kpop group that I followed since debut. They improved sooo much. Baby Taemin now has so many parts.

I'm so tired. I was going to start Minho's drama but I don't think I could. I rewatch Drinking Solo last week, it was fun. I hope Key maintain his cheerfullness.

I'm currently watching SHINee variety shows. I

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Because this life is our first: started watching this and only got to ep 4. Like the lead characters but somehow this show does not grab me. Does it get better?

Witch's Court: switched to watching this show instead and find it more captivating.

Last night was my Department Xmas party. We had a blast at karaoke - the Korean guy in our group brought down the house when he sang Oppa Gangnam Style!

Afterwards, we had Korean BBQ and drank lots of soju - just like in k dramas!

Have a safe, joyous winter holiday everyone! How will you be celebrating Xmas and NYE?

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Re: BTLIOF I just finished watching it, and I'd say it depends on what you feel isn't grabbing you. Is it the story or the characters?

Story-wise, it got more interesting after they announced their marriage, because to everyone else it's real and the main characters start to realise a marriage, even a fake one, can be very complex. We also delve deeper into what makes the characters, especially Se-hee, tick. While he was the one who offered Ji-ho what she needed in her lowest time, whether a room at a low rental rate or words of wisdom, she takes on an increasingly pro-active role as the episodes go on.

But it could also be that it's neither story nor character that's not grabbing you, but maybe just the type of show it is, which is a rom-com with many contemplative moments; it's probably not as thrilling as other genres. I'd say give it a try at least till Ep 6 (there's an unforgettable scene with Se-hee and Ji-ho's mum).

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BTIOFL can be a very different drama if you're anticipating a trope heavy, and straightforward ride. I believe that this drama suffers a bit if you marathon it. It actually takes awhile for some things to sink in.

The reason for this is the narrator's are unreliable - they reveal what they think in the moment, but actually change over the course of the series. And action and meaning (to the characters) are not obvious - they are not people who wear their hearts on their sleeves. It is only a few episodes later (for me) that it suddenly dawns on me or is revealed what that action meant from the earlier episode.

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@tummy

That is such a nice observation about this drama needing time.

I suspect you may be so right here. I never realised this may be the first Kdrama watching live (2 episodes, 1 week apart) may have been essential...Some episodes took days to really sink in...If you mis that cogitation peroid, the next episod would have missed so much.

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That may be the reason why I ended up disliking it. I have just marathoned it, but it took me an effort to finish it. At some point I grew very impatient about the melancholy feel of it all, and especially the female lead's slow line delivery and her long philosophical voice-overs. Perhaps this was not the week for melancholy for me...

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I agree with that BTIOFL is not probably meant for marathoning. I only got impatient with the long monologues towards the final episodes, but I would have tired of it sooner had I tried watching the whole drama in one go.

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I just don't think BTIOFL is that amazing. For me the writers seems too preachy and and at times in your face monologues which make me bored at times. I don't see what people see is good. Might be is just my tastes?

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Not everyone will like BTIOFL, true.

I never saw the writer as preachy - because nearly all of their inner monologue turns out to be perspectives of an ideal that the characters themselves don't live up to.

It constructs three relationships that are "unique solutions" to each party involved. None of them are held as perfect - so, yes, if the closure needed is an idealized example of a relationship, then this is a not a satisfying drama.

Why, I and perhaps many beanies found, is that the writer is able to weave these paths together with flawed, relatable and consistently behaving characters to show how they made a relationship work, without resolving all their problems and "magically" making them perfect.

Rather than "preachy", it actually subverts the idealized forms and describes how relationships survive from moment to moment, not promising eternity, by each party taking action, communicating and making compromises along the way.

WS/HR may never be balanced - he may always be slightly low on the EQ side and she a bit too silly in her ideals. SH/JH are perhaps always going to be too introspective and insular as individuals and as a couple. SG/SJ always fractious, impulsive and prickly - but they all find their own paths.

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For me the voiceovers might have come across as forced, except that the writing does a lot more showing through the characters' actions, words, expressions, and interactions. The "telling" in the form of these voiceovers just served to tie together all these details that we had already seen through the course of the episode. It gave the three threads of the story more coherence.

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Do you like books, novels?
If you don't, maybe BTLIOF could not be a drama for you...
You know, Baby Panda, this drama lingers in so many literary aspects, that if you don't enjoy reading, maybe you will be impatient and frustrated.
On the bright side, if you keep on watching, you will enjoy some gems small pieces and references to books and poems which are beautiful and for me also insightful about life.
In my opinion, this is a drama you can learn somethings in the first 14 episodes. For that, it is worth watching.

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The past four days have been really difficult for me; I've been overwhelmed with pressure and anxiety from my studies and with grief from the passing of Jonghyun. I may not have known him personally but Jonghyun has been a huge inspiration to me for the past five years. He advocated for LGBTQ rights, stood up for injustices and dedicated his life in making other people happy. He was also very vocal about depression, writing many songs about it and encouraging many people. He was a true talent and creative, who has touched and moved so many lives.

Seeing photos from the funeral yesterday and reading letters from his friends absolutely broke my heart. He was a precious ray of sunshine who loved his family so much, who loved being with the members and who loved singing for his fans. It saddens me to know that he seeked help, only to be blamed for his depression. He wanted to live. He tried to live. Yet in the end, he decided to end the pain. Farewell, Kim Jonghyun. You will always be in my heart.

I'm honestly scared for the members. SHINee is known to have one of the strongest bonds in K-pop and they have been a family for more than 10 years, so I know how huge of an impact this is to the remaining members. I hope they all stay strong.

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Feeling the absolute same.
힘내요!!

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I'm still in shock. Watching the footage of the memorial and procession was so heartbreaking. I hope the members cling to each other and seek help if needed. Onew and Key have fought their own demons with depression, Minho will have an easier time comforting others than getting comforted, and Taemin is one to bottle it up too. It's unfathomable to think of how many people he affected and how many of them need support right now.

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I'm having serious fatigue from drama watching. This year I have finished 31 dramas, dropped 7 after half-way and about a dozen after 1-2 episodes, in total I have spent 570 hours which is equal to 71 working days. Apparently I have spent most of my free time for drama.
I started defendant this week but dropped it after the mystery revealed. I no longer have any purpose watching it. Eventually he would reunite with his daughter, the viewer already knew that.
Just Between Lovers is the only drama I follow now. I wished Dramabeans would recap it so we would have place to discuss it.

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Yes, I second the motion to recap or create a discussion board for Just between Lovers!! It is on the way to being one of the best shows this year, equal to BTIOFL and Forest of Secrets!!

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Me too, I was in a drama slump but "Just Between Lovers" is really good and I would like to read recap after each episodes...

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Soompi forums has a Just Between Lovers thread. I am also loving that show.

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I love Just Between Lovers. It tells a simple story and lets the actors do their job. After BTIOFL I was rather fed up with lots of philosophical conversations. There are some in Just Between Lovers, but there are wonderful moments of silence. Sometimes you don't need to say anything while watching a sunset or gazing at the ocean. That's the feeling Just Between Lovers gives me.

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A female architect with a male construction worker. They're both in their mid 20s, working in the same project. So, it's not noona romance either. In dramaland where chaebol-poor girl pairing are rampant JBL's OTP is truly a breath of fresh air. I love the OTP and the fact that the lead man like her first that he even proposed a project so that he could work together with her 😁

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Enjoyed week 2 of Just Between Lovers. What with the small twist at the end of the fourth episode, I think it's time for my Lee Kyung-hee nostalgia to get off, but there's something to be said for a kinder, gentler, more thoughtful version of the nasty, downtrodden world/characters she's always worked with. *SPOILERS FOR JUST BETWEEN LOVERS* Okay, so. You’re made to believe that Kang-doo resents Moon-soo for abandoning him in the ruin when she gets rescued, and left to wonder at all the ways his attitude and behavior contradict his feelings on the subject (he realizes who she is and still gets closer to her? He says you can’t trust anyone, but helps everyone wherever he can?)…and then at the last moment you realize the person he’s talking about, the person he actually hates, is himself. I wonder who the third person is? Is he really dead? I definitely have more respect for the writer after this episode—the script is still not the main selling point of the show, but this turn of events, alongside him realizing who she is without saying anything, show a a sense of subtlety and willingness to rely on visual storytelling, as well as an awareness of the inconsistencies that were starting to build in her characterizations. All encouraging stuff.

Plus Kim Jin-won <33333. I think it happened last week, but the scene where Kang-doo and his grannie friend "smoke" turned away from the camera was A+ too (I get so tired of people stuffing unlit cigarettes in their mouths lol).

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Yeah, the directing is amazing. Kim Jin-won is able to say so much with the smallest things (subtle, like you said :D). The soundtrack is lovely, too.

*SPOILERS* Yeah, I agree. Now I just want to know who his friend was! (and if it's possible he might be alive somewhere, or if Kang-doo 100% knows he's dead.) The fact that he has survivor's guilt, instead of being mad about his leg and not being saved on time, totally changes my perception of Kang-doo, but a lot of his actions make more sense now imo.

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I'm so in love with Kim Jin-won right now lol. I'm tempted to give Wonderful Days a try, just tide me over from week to week.

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Hi Everyone!

As always, I hope you are all doing well today. ....... To all the Beanies who celebrate the holiday, wishing you a very Merry Christmas on Monday!

What a week. Dramas providing hours of fun and enjoyment while real life provided the saddest of moments. The passing of SHINee member, Jonghyun ..... gone too soon, gone too young. My deepest condolences to his family and to all his fans.

This week:

Temperature of Love - I finally finished this! Yes, it got kind of draggy in the last half and it could've done with less episodes, but I stuck with it until the end. ..... Glad I got to know the actor Yang se-jong.

Jugglers - Daniel Choi and his facial expressions. For that alone, you watch this. ..... The character, Jung-ae, I'm a little concerned about her because she seems so clueless about almost everything.

Black Knight - What can I say, I like this. Bad editing and all, I like it.

Just Between Lovers - I've only watched the first two episodes. Quite good.

That's all for now. ...... Take care everyone and have a great Friday!

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I like Black Knight as well. After the first few episodes, it has settled down and the story/pacing is flowing nicely. Sharon and the writer have the best roles, and I think the actresses are having fun. I am loving the music which can give a melo, romantic or quirky vibe to the show.

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Glad you're liking it also!

Yes, things seemed to have settled down a bit. In fact, dare I say, I think even the editing got a little better compared to how things were in episode 1.

I agree, Sharon and the writer totally seem to be having fun playing their characters! ..... Speaking of the writer, I kind of want a bit more of a backstory on her and to know what she's all about. I've only watched up to episode 5, so I don't know if any details about her are given in episode 6.

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I like black knight too especially after episode 5, at first i was like it's a watchable show not interesting but well i can watch it fir Sharon and the writer, I enjoyed episode 5 yesterday so much, the historical backstory is good and interesting, i am enjoying those parts.
I agree about the writer I haven't watched episode 6 yet but she's a mystery, glad she's not bad and she's rooting for the couple but I wonder why! She's been rooting for them since then.
Sharon the historical version is evil and hateful but i can't hate the current version of Sharon yet.

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Spoiler aler for you & @korfan, there was some revelation in epi 6 why Baek-hee is rooting for them and actually rooting for Sharon as well. I found both OTP are boring in present life, I can't seem to care about them yet, but Sharon and Baek-hee are far more interesting. Agree this drama got better now including the editing.

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Glad you made it through TEMPERATURE OF LOVE. I really enjoyed Yang Se-jong's performance, too. It peeved me no end that he ended up with Hyun-soo after all the crap she pulled on him. I love Seo Hyun-jin, but this is not one of her better characters. I truly think that plain Oh Hae-young was a better one. I could understand her motivations. I cannot say the same for Hyun-soo, who struck me as petulant and immature -- and unworthy of Jung-sun's devotion.

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I need Seo Hyun-jin to do a drama and team worthy for her talent after this, not some crappy drama like TOL.

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Merry Christmas, korfan! I was busily recapping Temperature of Love but got off track when I traveled for six weeks and couldn't keep up! Even though it's over and, yes, I agree it got a bit draggy (although still good overall and a satisfactory ending bromance and romance-wise) I plan on finishing up the series because I have leaving it undone. Your comment on Jugglers made me realize that Daniel Choi is in it and so now I'm going to watch because I really do like him! Happy weekend!
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Finally going back and finishing up Jealousy Incarnate and Another Oh Hae Young. I'd started them both in the summer and now coming back to finish them up.
I find them both enjoyable. Though I do not speak or understand any korean I now have part of a song from Jealousy Incarnate stuck in my head. And why was the stairwell scene after the helicopter ride so swoony?
I am on ep 6 of Goblin. What a pretty show. I know mixed reviews, but I like it so far. It just seemed like a good "winter" show.
I also downloaded some episodes of Fight my Way and an older one Sweet 18. I love that DF seemed to fix its issues and I can reliably download and finally onto my phone too.
That is a lot and I probably will not get to them all while on vacation but very tempted by Two Lovers.
On a different note Gong Yoo and Gong Hyo-Jin can really wear clothes well. I don't always understand the wardrobe choices, those short pants on the men, but they both wear them well. Sort of like SJP in Sex in the City, she always carried the clothes well.

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Happy holidays all! I found someone at work who like K-dramas!!!! I have to work very hard whenever I see her not to freak out and overwhelm her with recs. She introduced me to High School King of Savvy which I love sooo much. I can't believe I didn't have it on my list. I love Seo In Guk. Here's to a new year, new k-drama obsessed friends and new shows!

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High School King of Savvy was a hoot to watch! I love Seo In-guk's character and his two silly friends, and what an oddball Lee Ha-na's character was.

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It's great that you found a fellow kdrama fan!

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Merry Christmas! OT week 46! We had a baby this week! 🤱🏻 Not me, but my kdrama-loving, kbeauty-guru sis-in-law. She was 36 weeks along, so Baby B was early! We’re headed there now to see them! Reminds me of the shepherds and wisemen traveling to find the baby Jesus. (Poor kid, though, his birthday being so close to Christmas, will always be overshadowed by the holidays.)

And I watched Goblin, episode 10, this week. That’s it, nothing else. Had no desire to see anything else. On second thought, I did start I Am a Robot, for 10 minutes. That was a quick “allergic reaction”—but dramatic, I guess. It hasn’t piqued my interest enough to finish the first episode.

We had an oh-so-fun freethekimchi party last weekend as well! Details here:
Freethekimchi.com

Otherwise, I met a new Korean friend lastnight at my daughter’s violin recital at our home! Her daughter just started the violin. Her mother lives with her, and cooks Korean food! We had her try my hubby’s kimchi lastnight and she approves! Anyway, I haven’t invited her to put gathering yet, but soon, very soon.

This is the only convo that stood out to me this week...I don’t remember what we were doing at the time...

Me: You know what’s funny?

Daughter: That you think you are?

Hubby: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Me: *Flabbergasted* Did you just diss me?

Hubby: That’s MY daughter! 🤣😂😂

Moral of the story: I’m quickly becoming irrelevant.

2nd Moral: I can always count on Goblin to keep my kdrama card relevant.

3rd Moral: Merry Christmas, Peace on earth, goodwill to all Beanies!

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Congratulations to your sis-in-law on the birth of Baby B!

Merry Christmas to you too! May you and your family have a wonderful holiday.

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Congratulations to your sister in law. And to you! ^^ A new family member after all.

And Merry Christmas! Have a wonderful holiday.

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Congratulations to your family! It's not so bad having a near-Christmas birthday. My son just celebrated his 13th birthday this week. I do make an effort to wrap his presents in non-holiday paper! ;)

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My brother’s is early Dec as well! I always have trouble buying a gift for him for Christmas because I just gave him one! This year I was lazy and asked him what he needed most and then bought that! Happy belated birthday!

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Smart Prison Living: Yay . Super long episodes though, only do 1 a day.

Let’s Shake It: Slacked off to allow more eps to be subbed

Untouchable: Other than Kim Sung-Kyun‘s gangster role, a bit of a snooze. Not horrible, just meh.
Tribes and Empires: Things are heating up, different factions making their preparations to move on the throne.
Waiting for Hwayugi.

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I've been SHINee's fans since 2010, I listened to them regularly and it still struck me that Jonghyun has left.
The 1st song that plays in my mind is his soundtrack for City Hunter

So goodbye, don't cry and smile

and I also listen to the end of the day as my comfort song, hearing someone tell me that "I did well and I am their pride" is just comforting.

I really don't have any word to say but thanks Jonghyun.

My life has been kind of a mess without good progression so I hope I can be more active in DB again.

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Watching the latest episodes of "I am not a robot" now - this show is officially nuts

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Robot: I'm behind but it is fun and cute. A rare rom com that is staying true to its genre (so far).

Black: I have one episode left but I give credit to the writer who has managed to handle various layers of mystery very well. One cannot skip one single scene because it might be pertinent to the story. It's written like a mystery novel with layers of story. SSH's best performance that I've seen. Good for him.

Black Knight: I just like it. I find it to be an easy watch post the first few episodes. I like the pacing and that we now have been given some answers with flashbacks instead of making me wait until episode 12ish. It also has some humor thrown in that works as well. Love the background music which adds to the viewing experience. I don't think it's gonna rock anyone's world but I find it fun.

My Golden Life: This writer definitely has something to say about the expectations put on young adults to suck it up and follow a certain path even if they are miserable. I like the progression of the characters and pacing of the story. I get why it is doing well in Korea.

I think Netflix has released Age of Youth 2 in the US so that's on my watch list with Go Back Couple.

Have a Merry Christmas and a safe, happy, healthy new year.

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hi beanies! okay I'm back to dramaland after a semester of hiatus but I only have 3 weeks to watch what I have missed. Can you help me decide which ones to watch? I stopped watching after the cycle of lookout/the best hit/fight my way! Thanks guys <3

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LINGERIE GIRLS' GENERATION (great music!! in a vintage high school drama; I've posted the OST & much of the BGM on my fan wall)

MAD DOG (if you liked LOOKOUT)

BLACK (up until ep. 17)

THE KING LOVES (if you like sageuk)

SEVEN DAY QUEEN (epic tragedy & very well done)

MONEY FLOWER (weekender; Jang Hyuk is excellent; it's still running)

BECAUSE THIS LIFE IS OUR FIRST (I was peeved at the ending, but the show does some neat subversion of tropes, and Lee Min-ki is terrific; plus the cat steals the show; great OST, also on my fan wall)

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Mmm...Seven Day Queen, definitely, for a romantic-melodrama-sageuk. Forest of Secrets for one of the best mysteries/dramas of the year. Rescue Me is worth a watch. Age of Youth 2 is so good! And Because This Life is Our First. Those were the ones that were really good out of that cycle, I reckon.

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If you have seen Age of Youth, the second season is very good. I’d say it was actually better than the first. If you haven’t watched Age of Youth, I recommend it. It’s got a great all-female main cast of characters that are flawed but so likeable. Park Eun-bin is a real highlight of the show, especially in season 2. She’s so good.

Because This Life is Our First was my personal favorite of the year. It’s got it all with great acting, directing, and writing. The writing is a real strongpoint even if it’s not perfect. Extremely well-written dialogue and interesting, quirky characters that, like AOY, are flawed but simply lovable. The show does a great job at subverting tropes and explores many important issues—the most compelling for me being its treatment of gender norms and sexual harassment (and assault) that women face, especially in the workplace. It might be the most feminist K-drama I’ve seen. The three main friends (Jung So-min, Esom, and Kim Ga-eun) are great, one of my favorite friendships in dramaland. Esom and Park Byung-eun are one of my favorite second lead couples in dramaland. But the real highlights for me were our leads, Jung So-min and Lee Min-ki, both individually and as a couple. It’s a slow-burn romance and the show as a whole is lowkey but so compelling. I’ve liked Lee Min-ki ever since first seeing him in Shut Up: Flower Boy Band, but his subtle portrayal of Nam Se-hee (who is now my favorite kdrama male lead) is just... wow. Color me impressed.

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I was excited about Christmas this year but Tuesday ruined it for me. At least for now. I was never interested in boybands and SHINee was no exception so I had no idea who Jonghyun even was until he died. And at first I didn't care much but then I started watching some of his shows and reading his interviews and it was all a little too familiar. I cried buckets. I'm breaking down whenever I think about it and I can't help but keep checking the news.
Heard his parents are catholic. I'm not a believer and neither was he but I just don't understand why he chose this time of year. I understand his reasons.

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he admitted that he has Seasonal Affective Disorder(SAD) before. it really got worse in winter. probably why he choose this time of the year.

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still, the winter is long. he was planning it for long time and getting buried just in time for christmas eve is sadistic. it's the only thing I don't know how to forgive. so many things he said sound like the things I say to myself when things get dark(er), it feels like I've lost a twin. or that it was me who finally lost to depression.
it's unreasonable how much this affected me.

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I agree with you about his letter and what he said mirrored what goes through my mind when things are bad. Come to think of it, I almost wish it hadn't been made public - because too many people think the same way, and it's frightening to see how all encompassing those thoughts can become.

Because when I'm not low, I can see clearly that such thoughts are one-sided/biased/not the entire picture. It's like looking at a black-and-white version of a rainbow. It's not an accurate representation of what's really going on.

However, I say all this from my subjective perspective only. Many Beanie *hugs* to you - a fellow Beanie who said something that really resounded with me.

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*hugs* I'm sad because if he wasn't that meticulous about it he sure he wouldn't succeed. but he really thought this through which means that at some point his depression left enough mental space for him to do what he thought was going to bring him release.
fuck. that letter broke my heart, 'you worked hard' in and out of context just ruins me every time.

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What you say about his depression leaving him enough mental space to plan - I also thought that the fact that he was so active right up until his death shows just how much he was being pushed to perform. To think he did a concert just a week before - how could he push himself through it with all that pain? Its like he really needed to rest, stop, take a break, breathe, not do anything. He definitely had a lot of mental space for activity.
There must he more going on, I'm sure, but this too.

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Heard his parents are catholic. I'm not a believer and neither was he but I just don't understand why he chose this time of year.

Dear Liquidsoap,

I don't know Jonghyun, either, but his passing resonated with me as well. I am concerned that it has upset you so much, and hope that you have family and friends with whom you can spend time as you come to grips with what it means to you. Please let your loved ones know that you need their support at this time. When words fail, a hug often works wonders. I wish you peace of mind and heart.

I've come to believe that our souls are deep and mysterious entities whose processes are difficult to fathom. Because our finite, rational minds cannot comprehend the hidden life of the spirit, we experience things that defy language. Without language, we cannot talk about them with others. I've felt feelings that I have no name for. Sometimes they came out of the blue with no discernible connection with my waking life. Music is one of the things that enables me to access those feelings and states.

As someone of melancholic temperament, I can hazard a few guesses as to his timing.

The winter solstice was at 11:28AM Eastern Time on Thursday, 12/21/17 (16:28 UTC). It is the shortest day of the year in the Northern Hemisphere. For those of us dealing with Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD), the darkness can seem especially black owing to its extended duration; I certainly noticed it earlier this week.

Some of us are just acutely aware of shifts of light and ch'i in general. It bothers me that our sensitivity to the environment has been medicalized into a disorder. In ancient times, our situational awareness would probably have alerted our families, clans, and tribes to dangers overlooked by everyone else. And just like the elms and American chestnut trees, some of us are the canaries in the coal mine. Our exquisitely-attuned nervous systems are our Achilles' heels.

I notice the increasing darkness in late July or August. I can see it and I can feel it. I guess I was in my twenties when I came to dread the fall because there was nothing I could do about the onset of darkness.

When you stop to think of it, all of Nature slows down in autumn and hibernates through the bleakest winter months, from insects to bears to trees. Most creatures take a much-needed rest and rejuvenate by sleeping a lot. Only humans are insane enough to insist on running around full-tilt when the seasonal energy flows do not support such physical and mental activity levels.

I truly believe that the introduction of incandescent lighting little more a century ago has truly screwed up human biorhythms and health. Certain biologic processes actually require darkness. As I sit here typing on my laptop, I'm acutely aware that I'm flooding my visual system with intense artificial light that differs markedly from the sunlight our ancestors evolved under. How ironic.

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Getting ready to celebrate Christmas with my catholic family gets me through December, sometimes the aftermath is enough to push me through the entire winter (and sometimes it makes my depression worse - depends on what goes down at the table). Maybe it wasn't the same for him, but just knowing that he consciously chose this date... I think he was scared his family would see through him and make him change his mind. Or maybe he was tired of the feel-better persona he had to put up while working and knew he wouldn't be able to keep it much longer, so he chose to go with it like with ripping off a bandaid.
All of it makes sense to me a lot better than just biology, but I know depression gets worse the more you gaze into the artificial light of the screen, no matter what you read or experience there. Life is a mess.
Thank you for your kind, beautiful words.

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Aloha, Liquidsoap.

Thanks for replying. I'm glad that you will be with your loved ones at this trying time. Taking care of yourself to get through the dark days of the year is the way to go. Be kind to yourself. Do whatever you need to do. You don't owe anyone an explanation. ;-)

I can't help but wonder if the very success Jonghyun experienced in his career put him on a endless treadmill -- in the unforgiving public eye -- that eventually became unbearable. A leader obligated to lead, with no option to gracefully stand down. All while running flat-out in lead boots because of SAD. I can understand how he could have felt out of options. May he rest in peace.

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@liquidsoap

@PakalanaPikake always writes so compassionately. Its at times like this that those words touch the heart.

Everyone who suffered depression is different and it is hard to know what will be the trigger for those black dog days.

I hope you find the things that may be your stabilisers. Not that they will work instantly, but knowing they are patiently waiting there (without judgment) can be that small light at the end of the tunnel when you most need it.

I wish you all the best. Always take time out to breath when you need it, and when you are able, remember to share moments with those who you care about.

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@ Tom, @liquidsoap,

Thank you for your kind words. "Black dog," indeed. I was surprised to learn that Winston Churchill had used that term, too.

For me, the image had come to mind of a little black mutt that from time to time would nip at my heels and threaten to trip me. The more I tried to drive it away, the more it persisted. Eventually it occurred to me that maybe it was lonely and in need of understanding and kindness. Maybe it was trying to tell me something that I could not learn any other way. I eventually figured that the little black dog was teaching me empathy, and that became a silver lining.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Music is one of the things that has helped me hang on. I never know when I'll hear a lyric that will help me keep going, but I cherish them when I do.

This song, by Walter Robinson, is about a conductor on the "Underground Railroad" that helped runaway slaves escape from the South. It originally appeared on Holly Near's Lifeline LP in 1983. The chorus prompted me to throw a lifeline when I read the original post.

Holly Near & Ronnie Gilbert (of The Weavers): "Harriet Tubman"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6MpN2GfBCQ

Blessings to you both, however you celebrate December 25th (or not). Here's wishing you and yours (and all my Beanie buddies) health, happiness, and peace in the New Year.

PS to Tom: I haven't forgotten BTLIOF's alternate ending. MAD DOG fanfic has jumped the line. It's a bit easier for me to write, and is priming the pump. ;-)

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@PakalanaPikake

Again, I am just in awe of your writing...It just lifts the soul.

I will keep an eye out for when you post a BTIOFL comment... I can't wait to read your insights.

MAWANG...the analysis is blowing my mind at the moment...Its take on a dispassionate but caring judgment just brings me in tears (the good kind).

I like the idea that in this show:
God is a woman...

The devil isn't black..
It us who chose the dark path.

Manipulating justice has consequences
Vengeance has consequences.

Lucifer weeps for our soul.

All this and still 2 episodes to go.

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@ Tom December 24, 2017 at 10:50 PM

Thanks, Tom. You're very encouraging yourself. ;-) Here's hoping whoever needs a little boost or solace finds it here in this Open Thread.

Re: MAWANG, I took a look at the 2007 article and thread, and was intrigued to see the reference to Goethe's "Faust." Interesting. It's been a dog's age since I read it in German class, so I've forgotten a lot.

What really leapt out at me were your discussions with @linda-palapala re: lighting and color.

I don't know if you're aware of Goethe's Theory of Colors [German title: Zur Farbenlehre, (1810)], but you might want to take a look at the Wikipedia entry for it. (Rudolf Steiner has also written about light and color based on Goethe's treatise, IIRC.) His take was quite different from Newton's ideas on optics, and dealt with the human perception of color. He also noted the existence of two different color spectra which arise from the interplay of light and darkness. Among other things, on his color wheel he associated colors with symbolic qualities such as beautiful, noble, and good. In collaboration with the writer and physician Friedrich Schiller, Goethe correlated the four temperaments to twelve colors and human occupations or character traits. It is fascinating, and might shed some interesting light on the drama.

IMHO, darkness gets a bum rap in that there can be no light without it. It has been demonized.

God as female. How Cosmic! ;-)

Apropos of Lucifer, I think he is one of the most misunderstood spiritual beings, and is often conflated with Ahriman. Perhaps another way to look at Lucifer is that he is the poster child for free will. Just how steadfast of a being must he be to tread the path that makes it possible for humanity to develop and exercise free will? Similarly, Judas Iscariot has been reviled for millennia. But if it weren't for him, Christ could not have accomplished his mission. He had to be betrayed, and someone had to do it. Just my $0.02.

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I've been a huge fan of SHINee for 4 years and his death made me so depressed that I couldn't bring myself to watch any dramas or finish any assignments for two weeks. The hardest part to get over and the point that really kills me is that he was suffering so much. Looking back on all his work is comforting but devastating, his note hit way too close to home for a good majority of us.

I can say, let's cherish him for his positives and his achievements but that's incredibly hard and even neglecting the real issue at hand considering that behind all those positives and achievements, he thought the worst of himself and wrote off his self-worth. I'm slowly getting better but every time I think of him, my brain short-circuits when I remember he's gone.

I don't have perfect words to comfort you but just know that you're doing well too. We're here and we're listening.

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I am upset by the lack of attention Dramabeans has given Jonghyun's suicide. There wasn't a single post mourning him nor shedding light onto mental awareness and thats really heartbreaking. I feel as if they have pushed it aside as unimportant despite it being crucial to discuss mental health, as so many of us are vulnerable to it.

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Dramabeans haven't covered deaths in years and they don't cover k-pop. It has nothing to do with deeming it important or unimportant. Beanies have posted a lot on the subject and have been discussing mental illness on the wall. Feel free to create an account and join us there or start a conversation on here without accusations. Many of us would be willing to talk about it that way.

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*hesitating it'll nag at me if I don't*

Like you, I'm hopeful for a quick discussion about mental health in K-ent too, BUT
to be fair to DB - this is a drama site, not a K-pop site; and one that rarely (if ever) goes into the personal lives of actors/actresses/entertainers. In fact, DB has consistently adopted a 'no comment' approach - which is, to me, completely Okay.

I wonder if you have seen the fan walls. The Beanie community has been extremely vocal - and sensitive - on the fan walls. While it would be heartening to hear something from the Powers That Be at DB, I also think the Beanie walls address the subject with a myriad of insightful perspectives.

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What fan walls?

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Click on the 'Beanies' tab on the top - next to the logo, recaps, news, extras, etc. It'll lead you to the fan posts.

You have to register to be able to have your own fan wall though. ^^

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I have spent the whole week mourning Jonghyun myself, but I agree with other responses. Dramabeans consistently only publishes drama-related content, with the occasional post on movie releases. There is no reason why they should break that rule to post about Jonghyun. That is why we get OT; to talk about anything that's on our minds, but may not be related to dramas.

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hello, anyone here watching my golden life and black knight??

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This is an interesting week as far as "entertainment" goes. A lot of Youtube watching.

CGP Grey released two new videos on "How machines learn" which took me to 3Blue1Brown where I got an introduction to neural networks. Of course having subscribed to them, I had to go in and catch a few more refreshers on fun math and physics stuff that eventually led me back to Numberphile.

(But if anyone wants to comment below on suggestions as to where to go to get an introduction on Deep Learning and String Theory - not connected subjects but seems interesting to know more) Oh and a couple of interesting TedX videos on somewhat metaphysical musings on whether consciousness is actually a product of our brains accessing higher dimensions as postulated in string/quantum theory.)

A completely UNREASONABLE amount of time later, I figured I should be doing important stuff - like catching up on dramas!

INAR is staying pretty consistent and developing really well. It hasn't made any left turns and the characters are really building up.

I think Black Knight has taken over Jugglers to get to second place on favorite currently showing dramas. But having said that, it isn't that it has improved a whole lot but rather has kept to a pretty consistent tone and the mystery is sufficiently appealing.

Jugglers has become increasingly frustrating - it persists in adding more cliches and giving out fan service...yeah yeah...swoony hero... passive heroine... blah blah... The main characters remain flat, and Prince Charming rescuing Damsel in Distress appears to be the eventual main story arc - and not done in any imaginative or creative way either.

Looking forward to Hwayugi - the first few episodes should be a blast!

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Oh. Very true. And my taste is not invariant - there are times when I think Jugglers would not be as frustrating and Black Knight would be way to slow/moody to interest me. It is a mood thing which I openly admit to. My main peeve with Jugglers, at this time, is that it did not live up to it's premise and is overly cliched. A reverse example would be SWDBS which had enough couple cuteness to mollify my "bait and switch" and "going nowhere subplots" sentiments, so I enjoyed it at the end.

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DEVIL/MAWANG

Anyone wondering why a 2007 post is on the "Most Commented"section… we are having fund doing a gorilla 10 year retrospective re-watch and recap.

I hadn't seen this drama previously, and watching it now with @linda-palapala
, I can see why so many hold this drama close to their heart. The story is a gripping gothic revenge and the music is lush.

It is surprisingly fun to watch an old drama with new eyes.

Feel free to join in.

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Finally....mystery revealed!

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@beantown

Unfortunately DB didn't recap it.

Looking for a home for a discussion, we thought we'd go retro and that MAWANG post was the only page we found on DB.

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👏👏👏👏 A scathingly brilliant choice on your parts! and I am thoroughly loving your analyses and discussions!

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@beantown

Feel free to join in. Its been a blast so far.

If you want to discuss an earlier episode, just put a comment at the bottom of the Mawang thread so we know to go up and join you.

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"Resurrection" is even better if you haven't seen it. It's the first of writer Kim Ji-woo's revenge trilogy. "Devil/Mawang" was the 2nd and "Shark" was the 3rd (a disappointment imo).
Uhm Tae-woong was excellent in the first two dramas and I'm glad he turned down the 3rd.

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I agree, Resurrection is in my top ten dramas of all time for sure. Looking back, it's where I first became a fan of so many veterans--Kim Kap-soo, Lee Jung-gil, Kim Kyu-cheol, and Lee Dae-yeon...they were all amazing. Plus the OST!

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Is there a plot connection between the 3 dramas? Like do I need to watch Resurrection before Devil/Mawang? (Resurrection doesn't look like it's available online anymore..)

I hadn't heard of these two before, but got interested in Mawang after seeing the latest comments.

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