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Are You Human Too: Episodes 25-26

The consequences of having two Shin’s running around are a lot more worrisome than expected, especially since one Shin is learning to think for himself and the other is a loose cannon. It’s a toss-up as to which will get into trouble first, when they can’t even agree on whether Nam Shin-III is helping or hurting Shin’s cause. With all the tension flying around, something is going to have to give soon.

 
EPISODE 25 RECAP

Nam Shin-III wonders in voice-over, “How would it have been if I weren’t a robot? If I could be sad if we broke up. If I could be happy when I’m with you. If my heart would break because of you. If I could cry for you.”

As he remembers important moments with So-bong, he imagines himself sad, happy, heartbroken, crying, and even responding, “I like you, too, Kang So-bong,” to her confession. He tells himself that he’s a robot that can’t feel love, but as he runs to confront Shin, he wonders, “Then why am I doing this?”

He sees Shin looming angrily over So-bong and takes her wrist from Shin’s grasp. He tells So-bong that he needs to get her away from Shin, asking her curiously, “Is this jealousy?” as he thinks to himself, “Why am I saying this?”

Shin and Nam Shin-III sit to talk, and Shin sneers that he was only joking around. When Nam Shin-III tells him not to “joke” with So-bong like that again, Shin notes that he does seem jealous, as if he’s in love. He thanks Nam Shin-III for talking to Ro-ra for him, but Nam Shin-III says he won’t do things like that again.

He tells So-bong about his conversation with Ro-ra as he drives her home, and she tells him that Shin only asked who’s more important to her to make her and Nam Shin-III uncomfortable. But Nam Shin-III says that it allowed him to tell Ro-ra not to worry about him anymore.

So-bong asks if he’s okay, and he says cheerfully, “I have you now.” She says he can say that as often as he likes, ha, but she tells him not to talk to Shin anymore.

Back at the hideout, Ye-na helps Shin back into bed and asks why he asked So-bong to protect him. He says he was messing with her, and that he thinks it’s funny that she likes a robot, though he doesn’t seem all that amused.

When Ro-ra arrives home, Shin asks innocently where she went and if she met with anyone. She lies that she just went for a walk alone, and after she leaves, his face twitches furiously.

So-bong’s dad is already feeling bad that the world treats her harshly, and he despairs that she’s in love with a robot, which will only make her life harder. When they arrive at the gym, Dad jumps out of bed to glare at Nam Shin-III. When Nam Shin-III offers him some medicine, Dad knocks it out of his hand and orders him out of his gym, and out of his daughter’s heart.

He yells at So-bong too, for loving something that’s not even human. He calls Nam Shin-III “it,” but David, who followed them, interrupts to announce that he’s “its” father. Dad accuses David of being a mad scientist, but David declares, “I gave birth to him with my heart!” Okay, awwww.

The two fathers face off, but Reporter Jo busts them apart and suggests they talk this out. The three end up at a pojangmacha, the dads argue-bragging about how strong their children are (“So-bong fractured my nose when she was only five!” “At six months, Nam Shin-III almost pulled up a street lamp with two fingers”!)

They do agree on one thing — that they should keep Nam Shin-III and So-bong apart. Reporter Jo grumbles that that won’t happen, because they wouldn’t be in this situation if those two were likely to listen to their fathers. She says they need to worry what the world will say if they find out a human and a robot are in love.

Seeing the wisdom in her words, So-bong’s dad asks David if Nam Shin-III has any weaknesses, like something that would make Nam Shin-III shut down. Then he waves off that idea, saying that no parent would make something to kill their child, and David nervously agrees.

Suddenly missing Nam Shin-III, he jumps up to call So-bong, and admits that he feels bad that he can’t disable it. So-bong reassures him that they’re fine as long as it’s in their possession, and David says he’ll talk to Ro-ra.

Nam Shin-III has been on the phone with Young-hoon, who told them to return to the house, and the company, tomorrow. So-bong remembers that he needs to bandage his hand, since Shin hurt himself in front of everyone, and as she bandages him, she reminds him that he asked about jealousy.

She asks if he really felt something when he took her away from Shin, and he says he acted before thinking about it. He says he doesn’t know what jealousy feels like, but So-bong tells him that a lot of humans don’t know their own feelings, either. She says that emotions are embedded in actions, which gives Nam Shin-III something to think about.

Joint and Robocop show up with blankets to bed down with Nam Shin-III. So-bong headlocks them affectionately until they tap out, then heads to bed. Nam Shin-III’s gaze grows sharp to see So-bong’s arms around the two guys, and when they ask why he’s glaring at them, he growls, “Emotions are embedded in actions.” Yeah, let’s just call this jealousy.

Shin sits up all night, stewing over Ro-ra’s lie that she didn’t see anyone while she was out. Ye-na is asleep by his bed, and when her phone rings with a call from Jong-gil, Shin answers. He listens as her father complains that she’s probably with that jerk Shin, yelling that she lied to him that Shin was awake, then Shin belatedly greets Jong-gil.

Jong-gil answers Shin’s summons, and Shin says that his mind is fine, and he even remembers some things he doesn’t wish to. He asks if Jong-gil tried to kill him because he knew something about his father.

Shin snarls that Jong-gil wanted him dead because he knew why Shin left the country, and that it’s his fault that robot is around now. He adds that he heard from Ye-na that Snake died in a suspicious hit-and-run accident. Jong-gil bristles at the mention of his daughter, but Shin says gleefully that Ye-na would die for him if he told her to.

Jong-gil controls his expression and says that he doesn’t care about a daughter who betrays him, and even invites Shin to test him. But he reminds Shin that Ye-na is the only person who cares about him, since Ro-ra’s “other son” is doing such a great job that even Young-hoon and Chairman Nam prefer him.

Jong-gil runs into Ye-na on his way out and asks if she truly likes Shin even though he may try to kill him. Ye-na points out that he tried to kill Shin first, and Jong-gil’s expression changes into something deeply evil. He says without emotion, “I’ll erase every memory of you, from the day you were born to this very moment. Now, I have no daughter.”

Ye-na confronts Shin, angry that he invited her father here without telling her. Shin says she doesn’t need to know why, because he doesn’t want to see her get hurt, but she snaps that she betrayed her father to be with him and has a right to know.

Shin just hugs her close and apologizes, saying that she’s all he has, though his eyes are cold behind her back. A voice interrupts them — it’s Ro-ra, who wants to know why Jong-gil was here. With a petulant stare, Shin says vaguely that he needed to find out something.

Ro-ra says that all this happened because he came to see her, but now she doesn’t know what to do for him. Shin says that he wasn’t in the Czech Republic to see her, but to check something, and once he did, everything else became meaningless.

Meanwhile, Jong-gil goes straight to Chairman Nam and tells him that Shin almost certainly knows something about his father, Jung-woo, and even went to the Czech Republic to look into it. Chairman Nam just says it’s not possible, and Jong-gil laughs that he’ll be off the hook even if Shin learns the truth, since he was only Chairman Nam’s puppet at the time.

Wondering what Shin could be thinking after he nearly died, Chairman Nam makes a call to Young-hoon. Young-hoon runs into Nam Shin-III on his way into the office, and when Nam Shin-III calls him Hyung, it reminds Young-hoon of when Nam Shin-III asked if he ever gets confused that he looks so much like Shin.

He keeps things short and formal, telling Nam Shin-III to call him whatever he wants when he asks if he can continue calling him Hyung. Nam Shin-III asks So-bong if Young-hoon is being cold on purpose, but So-bong advises him to ignore it if Young-hoon is trying to keep a distance.

The M-car team all get an email from Nam Shin-III containing material regarding the new “medicar” idea. They wonder idly if he really is a robot, after seeing Jong-gil’s accusation yesterday involving Nam Shin-I’s body. Most of them assume it was just a doll, but the team’s hotshot programmer doesn’t look convinced that it wasn’t a real robot.

He squints at Nam Shin-III when he shows up for a team meeting. When it’s lunchtime, every screen in the room goes dark, and Nam Shin-III jokes that he’ll turn them off again if they try to work late. The programmer stares again, probably wondering how Nam Shin-III turned off the screens from his seat at the table.

They run into Ro-ra in the lobby on their way out to lunch, and she apologizes for missing the meeting and offers to pay. She seems uncomfortable, and Nam Shin-III sends So-bong to lunch, saying he’ll catch up in a little bit.

When he arrives at the restaurant, he’s got a package of medicine for Ro-ra’s headache, having recognized the signs. The team praise him for being a good son, noting that he seems like a different person lately, in a good way.

One teammate jokingly warns him not to change back, but he says that he might. He tells them that if that happens, they should follow Ro-ra’s orders, because she always does what’s best for her son. He leaves, saying that he has lunch plans with Chairman Nam.

Chairman Nam is already at the restaurant with Young-hoon, and Young-hoon reacts with shock to Chairman Nam’s question of when he should hand the company over to Shin. He think now is a good time, while Shin seems on a positive upswing, markedly better than he used to be.

When Nam Shin-III joins them, Chairman Nam tells him what they were discussing. Young-hoon says that he agrees that “Shin” is better prepared than before, and that Chairman Nam should pass the torch as soon as possible. Chairman Nam agrees, and says he wants to do it with minimal fuss.

During lunch, Chairman Nam notices that who he thought was Nam Shin-III isn’t wearing his battery watch. Young-hoon figures it out right away that it’s actually Shin at lunch with them just now, and Shin confirms it angrily while Chairman Nam is out of the room.

EPISODE 26 RECAP

When he returns, Chairman Nam excuses Young-hoon so he can talk to Shin. They share a drink, and Shin asks if his father was also a good drinker, what kind of son he was, and if Chairman Nam was sad when he died. Hanging his head, Chairman Nam says he’s not sad, because a parent who buries their child has no right to be sad.

When asked why he’s curious, Shin says that he’s getting close to his dad’s age when he died, and he wonders what his life was like. Chairman Nam asks what Shin truly wants out of life, and Shin says matter-of-factly that he wants the company.

Chairman Nam asks eagerly what he plans to do with it, and Shin’s voice grows hard as he sneers, “I’ll chop it into pieces and sell them off.” At Chairman Nam’s shocked expression, Shin tosses off his usual dismissive, “Just kidding,” and asks for another drink.

After lunch, Young-hoon asks Shin what he’s up to. Shin says he came to lunch to see if Young-hoon and Chairman Nam are planning something behind his back. Young-hoon says that when Shin returns, he’ll need some adjustment time, but Shin says he doesn’t even want the company.

Young-hoon tells him not to say that after what everyone went through for him. Shin isn’t at all thankful that they replaced him with a robot, and he accuses Young-hoon of wanting him to take Chairman Nam’s position because it will mean more for Young-hoon himself.

Roaring at him to stop, Young-hoon says that everything they did was to protect Shin. He asks if Shin wants to hear him say he’s worse than a robot, and Shin looks hurt. Young-hoon tries to apologize, but Shin storms out, ordering Young-hoon not to follow him.

Nam Shin-III is with Ye-na, who thanks him for letting Shin take his place at lunch. Shin calls her to say he’ll be back soon, but he spots So-bong nearby and decides he’ll be a little bit longer. He follows So-bong to a cafe and starts to go in, but he finds himself facing Nam Shin-III instead.

Keeping a distance apart, Shin calls Nam Shin-III, who says that he saw Shin’s GPS following So-bong’s. Shin asks who he thinks he is to say where he can go. Nam Shin-III says that he “permitted” Shin to take his place today because he thought he missed his grandfather, but he has no intention of letting Shin near So-bong. He declares So-bong his person, and tells Shin not to go near her again.

Nam Shin-III tells So-bong about switching places with Shin, but she says she’s not mad. That lasts about five seconds before she explodes and admits that she’s crazy angry over Shin abusing Nam Shin-III, and Nam Shin-III chuckles at her frustration. So-bong can’t stand the thought of Nam Shin-III stuck in that car with Ye-na, who treats him like an object. Nam Shin-III just says softly, “’You’re pretty.’ That’s what I would say if I were human. ‘You’re pretty, Kang So-bong.’”

So-bong asks what exactly he’d think is pretty, you know, if he were human. He just grins, and her phone rings before she gets an answer. It’s Shin, who says that Ye-na doesn’t like seeing So-bong so near his face. He threatens to find out how to use Nam Shin-III’s manual override if So-bong doesn’t stop hanging around Nam Shin-III.

Shin tells Ye-na that he only wanted to tease So-bong for liking a robot, but Ye-na doesn’t see the humor. She says it just proves that he’s interested in So-bong on some level, and when he tries to snuggle up on her, she shoves him away.

That evening, Young-hoon sits by the pool with a beer, thinking about his confrontation with Shin. He’s so absorbed that he doesn’t notice Nam Shin-III sitting with him for nearly four minutes. Nam Shin-III asks how many times he has to grant Shin favors like today, and whether he has to do something if it’s a bad thing for himself but good for Shin.

Young-hoon sighs that right and wrong are simpler than that, but humans complicate things for their own gain. He says that if Nam Shin-III thinks something is bad, he should refuse, and Nam Shin-III sweetly thanks Young-hoon for trusting his judgment. He asks if Young-hoon is distancing himself from him, and Young-hoon nods sadly.

Nam Shin-III returns to Shin’s room to find Shin’s nephew Hee-dong asleep, holding one of Shin’s robots. He carries the boy to his mother, who warily says she’ll make sure Hee-dong stays out of his room, but Nam Shin-III says he can play there whenever he wants.

Ho-yeon bristles, accusing Nam Shin-III of giving her son false hope of friendship. She says that when Hee-dong is older, “Shin” will worry that he’ll try to take what’s his and they’ll grow apart. But Nam Shin-III asks what that has to do with letting him play in his room, and tells Ho-yeon not to worry about the future, even inviting her to play in his room with Hee-dong.

Chairman Nam sees them and asks Nam Shin-III to talk privately. He asks Nam Shin-III the same question he asked Shin — what he wants from life. Nam Shin-III says he doesn’t want anything, and Chairman Nam says it’s because he doesn’t have ambition. But Nam Shin-III clarifies that wanting something means you lack the strength to take it, and a slow smile spreads over Chairman Nam’s face.

Nam Shin-III says that he has the strength to take everything, he just doesn’t need to use it. Chairman Nam asks if Nam Shin-III truly has no desire to live as his grandson, confusing Nam Shin-III (who thinks Chairman Nam still believes him to be Shin), then dismisses him. When he’s alone, Chairman Nam lets loose a maniacal cackle.

Back home at the gym, So-bong finds her dad passed out after drinking. He rouses and calls her a bad daughter, and she agrees that she’s never been obedient and probably never will be. She says he should give up hoping she’ll break things off with Nam Shin-III, and he sighs that she has to be stupid, stubborn, and frustrating — exactly like him.

He tells her to stop doing something if she knows it’s wrong and will get her hurt, even though he couldn’t. Tearing up, So-bong says that she tried not to like Nam Shin-III, but she couldn’t help herself.

Dad blames himself, but she begs him not to criticize her like everyone else. She sobs that she wants to stay with Nam Shin-III, and Dad dries her tears and says he won’t stop her or cheer her on. But he pleads one last time for her not to do anything that will get her hurt, or he’ll break Nam Shin-III.

Contemplating the sunny day, Chairman Nam tells Young-hoon that he hopes he dies on a day like today. He says that dying is just part of life, but he’s worried about the company. He asks Young-hoon if he trusts Shin with the company, and if he does, if he means the old Shin or the new Shin.

Chairman Nam admits that he trusts Young-hoon more than he trusts Shin, because blood aside, Young-hoon is the only one who wouldn’t ruin the company. Young-hoon agrees, adding that he’s confident and he wants it. But he says he only thinks about it and doesn’t truly want it, “Because I don’t want to live like you.”

He says he’s not so greedy as to cast off his own son and grandson and suspect everyone, asking of that life makes Chairman Nam happy. He says he’s been lonely all his life and doesn’t want to hurt Shin, nor does he want to make Chairman Nam nervous.

He declares that he’d rather want less and be happy, so he’s content to serve Shin and be less lonely. He excuses himself, but Chairman Nam stops him to ask what “that guy” is to him. Young-hoon asks who he means, and Chairman Nam tells him, “That Shin-like robot.”

So-bong finds Dad waiting for her when she leaves again, and he crouches to tie her shoelace. She says she’s going to meet the person who told her to quit her job and refuse them, and Dad grumpily sends her off to do whatever she likes.

Nam Shin-III goes to see Shin, who’s in Ro-ra’s workroom, using a wheelchair while he recovers. He tells Shin that So-bong won’t quit, because she works for him, so he’s the only one who can make her quit. Shin snaps that Nam Shin-III is here to help him so he has to obey him.

Nam Shin-III clarifies that he’s here to help Shin, so Shin can’t order him around. He tells Shin not to threaten but ask nicely if he wants a favor, but Shin growls that he prefers making threats. He says that since threats don’t work on a robot with no emotions, he has to threaten something else — So-bong.

In a low voice, Nam Shin-III warns Shin away from So-bong, but Shin yells at him for daring to threaten him. He throws a tool at Nam Shin-III, narrowly missing his head. The noise draws So-bong, who screams at Shin to stop.

So-bong steps in front of Nam Shin-III, but he pushes her behind him for fear she’ll get hurt. Shin scoffs that he must really think he’s human, and he picks up a wrench and advances on Nam Shin-III. He swings with all his strength, but Nam Shin-III barely moves despite the deep gouge in his face.

Shin drops the wrench, which was destroyed by Nam Shin-III’s metal skull. Nam Shin-III calmly looks at So-bong and smiles.

COMMENTS

I expected things to get bad when Shin woke, but I never expected Shin to be so violent. I’ve been giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was such an angry adult because he was basically kidnapped by his own grandfather and raised in a cold, unfeeling home, and he didn’t seem so bad in Young-hoon’s flashbacks. But the Shin we’re meeting now is awful, nasty and vindictive and violent, and willing to use people without a single care if they are hurt by him or not. I understand that he’s had a horrible upbringing and feels betrayed and abandoned by Ro-ra, but none of that excuses the way he’s behaving now.

On the other hand, as much as we’ve talked about Young-hoon being conflicted because he benefits from being Shin’s assistant, I never thought about how Shin would feel about it. He’s got to be feeling that Young-hoon is basically paid to be his friend, which explains some of his hostility towards Young-hoon. No wonder he’s angry that they went so far as to replace him with a robot — from his angle, I can see how it looks like everyone around him went to ridiculous lengths to make sure he doesn’t lose his inheritance, but for their own sakes, because being near Shin assures them of benefiting from his wealth and power. I still don’t think it excuses Shin’s extreme hatred and bursts of violence, but I can understand that he’s probably lived a very lonely existence, deprived of his parents and with his only friend being an orphan his grandfather pays to stay around him.

Speaking of Young-hoon, I feel like he may be on the verge of a breakdown. He looks exhausted, emotionally and physically weary, as if he’s about to reach his breaking point. I know his feelings about Shin are complicated, all twisted up in the luxury he’s allowed to live in because of him, and now he’s starting to care about Nam Shin-III as a person and has even admitted that he might like him more than Shin. That’s got to be a difficult set of emotions to be feeling all at once, and I’m worried that he’s going to do something regrettable. That, or if Ro-ra decides to hit Nam Shin-III’s kill switch after all, Young-hoon may have a crisis when he has to choose between protecting Shin or saving Nam Shin-III. It doesn’t help that Shin is being such a colossal ass, while Nam Shin-III is only growing more sweet and understanding. I wouldn’t blame Young-hoon if he chose Nam Shin-III (if it came down to that), but I don’t think he himself could survive the choice.

But as for Nam Shin-III — I knew that he was feeling something all along, he just didn’t know it because he’s been told he’s a robot without feelings. I think that he’s had them for a while now, but it’s been hammered home that he’s a robot and can’t possible have emotions, so he just doesn’t question it even when he is feeling something. So-bong had a good point, that a lot of humans don’t even know their own feelings, so I can believe that Nam Shin-III has just taken everyone’s words for the fact that he doesn’t have emotions and never even realized he was feeling anything. I think it’s cute that he keeps saying, “That’s what I’d say if I were human,” or “I’d feel this way if I were human,” as if it doesn’t count that he’s doing and saying exactly the right things regardless. I don’t think there’s much difference between a person who was taught to hug someone when they cry, or a human who learned to hug someone when they cry — so much of human interaction is learned behavior, so who cares how it was learned? The point is that Nam Shin-III does know what to do, or say, or feel, in any given situation, and I don’t believe that the fact that he’s not organic makes him any less of a person.

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honestly this is the only show I know where the 'previously on' part is so freaking poignant. Shinnamon trying to make sense of his actions and imagining himself respond as a human made me scream, it was SO GOOD.

Orishinal and his multiple mental breakdowns this episode made me laugh and cry and cry. I think he pretty much stopped questioning life at this point, especially after his robot brother said he was feeling jealousy. It was a good look.

SKJ I love you and your micro-expressions so much! his every emotional response has a hint of sadness in it. he's sad petty, sad jealous, sad angry (SULLEN). I want to hug him. and slap him. and hug him.

every Shinnabon scene is worth a movie, but I'm getting more and more invested in my other OTP, YH and Orishinal. their every scene just oozes sexual tension. Shinnamon and YH feel more brotherly, which makes me wonder... and wish for the impossible. or just enough room to let my headcanons grow when it's all over.

I'm glad that all cards are on the table now, but it also means that we're nearing the conclusion and I'm so! SO ANXIOUS!!!

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@vivanesca—What are the chances of a love story between human Shin and Young-hoon? Does that ever happen in conventional K-dramas? I know fans love their bromances but there's a different kind of heat here, for sure. Lee Joon-hyuk is fantastic. To think he was such a prick in Stranger/Secret Forest!

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to me it's as obvious as my affection for robot dramas is to everyone on this site. but actual, on-screen love confession? zero. they want to air this drama in China. but as long as they don't end up with anyone else, I'll be fine.
like @cloggie said - if LJH was going for brotherly affection, it's an utter failure.

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I've totally bought in to that love story. I love LJH in this - and I didn't think I'd ever say that.

His expression in that scene with the Chairman's lunch, when he realised he'd hurt the one he loves by what he'd just said, was heart-breaking.

So good.

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But Reply 1997? Hoya's character confessed to his best friend and unrequited love Seo In Guk. Unless you meant reciprocated same-sex love confession.

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Right. A same-sex love confession. I recently watched The Undateables which featured a character who was likely gay (he had a certain flare) and was crushing on another guy. No confessions were made and the (straight) object of his affection remained kind and gracious without playing games.

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Reply 1997 spoilers ahead: Hoya's character's confession was kind of heart-breaking (as well as groundbreaking!) and wonderful in Reply 1997. And Seo In Guk's character was also gracious and kind (and so loving!) as his best friend, but turned him down.

But! I just remembered! At the end of the show, there was somebody for Hoya's character! Even though we never saw him, just the car coming to pick him up and Hoya's character Joon Hee smiling and getting in, we knew, because of the setup. So yeah, even in South Korea!

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There's definitely tension. The entire lunch scene had me breathless. I think, and this is just on YH's side, there's a sense of desperate restraint informing his decisions when it comes to Shin. It's the desperation.

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there's definitely a sense of conflict and desperation on YH's side, but also a lot of unguarded affection, which Shin doesn't seem to know how to handle. he makes the cutest, Shinnamon-like eyes when YH says something he doesn't expect. but his anger is also triple times more vicious when they argue.
sparks fly either way.

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'Desperate restraint' is a great phrase. I do like how YH is far more open about his feelings for Orishin with everybody BUT Orishin. Shinnamon knows YH loves Orishin, and has conducted a whole robot analysis in his head. Grandpa and So Bong know! But Orishin doesn't. It's a great character note, because YH is a reserved guy and because it's such a risk to open up to the people who can hurt you most, but it also lets Orishin doubt him and spin off wildly.

Also, that lunch scene made me think once again, poor Young-Hoon. He's been so worried for Orishin all this time, so much that his doctor friend pointed out YH has been physically running himself into the ground, and now Orishin has been awake two (2) days and--OH JESUS--he's glassing himself and drinking up a storm! This one can't be tamed! Such a self-destructive drama queen. (But then presenting another 'self' to someone self-destructive? Oh no good, very bad.)

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To me it's the intensity of their interactions that make it feel like more than just brotherly love. HEAT was the perfect word to use @tsutsuloo. You feel as if they are so invested in every passing moment and word and the relationship as a whole that there has to be more. It's brilliant, honestly.

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Why does SKJ have insane chemistry with EVERYONE?

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I'm glad it's not just me who's losing my mind over Young Hoon being very obviously in love with human Nam Shin and not knowing how to deal with it. "He's a habit I formed without knowing". Come on.
I know this is a drama and a romance between them won't ever happen, but the tension and the conflicted feelings are just SO present between them, and it feels so intentionally played that way, it's frustrating.

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The poor, poor Shins. I just feel so truly awful for both of them, and jealous of affection for both of them.

Young Hoon and Shinnamon do feel very brotherly, which is another aspect of the show I'm enjoying very much--how different the relationships with the Shins all feel! Obviously with So Bong, but very notably with YH and Ro Ra--you get that prickly feeling that Ro Ra and Orisin don't know each other that well, while Shinnamon knows her well enough to get her headache powder. (A confirmation that he so loves his mom but he tragically understands that she's tossed him away!)

It makes sense that YH actually seems more older-brotherly with Shinnamon, too, because Shinnamon is a lot younger. I always remember that--this is a 20 year old raised in seclusion, as well as all the robot complications! I don't know the age difference between YH and Orishin--I know Orishin is playing older than his age and is 28, but is YH playing the actor's age or maybe younger? YH is definitely older ('hyung') but they do have certain ways of being that remind one of orphans clinging together in the storm. One detail I loved, which indicates to me Orishin's secret softie side, was when he bitterly accused YH of just wanting Orishin to take the company so YH could get more stuff. 'My dude,' I thought lovingly to Orishin's dumb face. 'You could just fire your secretary. Or simply NOT shower him in golden luxury.' Nope, that doesn't occur to either of them, obviously: if Orishin gets the company, YH would get the golden luxury, accepted fact, onto the terrible argument! I felt awful for both of them when--as happens when you get angry! Neither of them are at all physically well!--YH said the exact wrong thing, and made Orishin feel unloved.

But of course that makes me feel terrorized for So Bong, because Orishin is reading her not as the one person who prefers Shinnamon, but as the only person who's telling the TRUTH she prefers Shinnamon.

Young Hoon and Orishin do have a much more fraught dynamic, but there is obviously a lot of love there on both sides. I was so, so proud of Young Hoon this episode, where he turned down Grandpa not just because he wants to be HAPPY! (you deserve it YH) but because he doesn't want to hurt Orishin, who has like YH been lonely his whole life. (And I know many including me feel sorry for Orishin, but it does seem like YH's life has been a NIGHTMARE also, to the point where he agreed to be physically abused on the reg. Remember, the slaps happen 'all the time.' Poor, good YH!) Of course Orishin is worried that YH doesn't really like him--he knows YH is paid to be around him, even YH was confused, Grandpa poisons all the relationships around him on purpose--but I wish Orishin knew that YH turned down the company, partly for him. I think he'd feel a lot better.

Which of course contributes toward my feelings of sadness for Shinnabon. Shinnabon looked so happy that YH let him call him hyung! But also oh...

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(why am I like this.) But also oh my god, YH permitted it, if Orishin hears it, the blood, what about the blood that's going to rain from the skies? I can literally hear the scream of brakes in Orishin's head and it has not happened yet. Don't get put in the smelter for bromance, Shinnabon!

I'm not worried that people prefer Shinnamon, because Ro Ra and YH clearly don't. I'm worried for Shinnamon, because the people close to him are already hurting him and Ro Ra might hurt him more to prove her love for Orisin, and Shinnamon's face just got ripped apart by someone who resents him for existing and is trying to alienate the last person truly on his side. I'm worried for Sinnamon, because he fears so much that his loved ones prefer Shinnamon and he's acting out in ways that will only make people angry--thus, in the way of many abused children, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. 'Oh, I knew those people I deliberately and viciously pushed away didn't love me enough to stay.' Poor, poor everybody.

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dude. dude. dude.
I love you. how do I make you join us on rabbit and/or on DB? don't you need a favor? something like spining straw into gold? I can help you. we need you.
I love you.

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<3 <3 Heh heh heh. While watching these episodes I admit I was totally screaming to myself and being like 'Shall I get on rabbit? How does one do that?! Oh no everybody's faces!'

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it's basically group thereapy at this point. we scream at SKJ's face on Mondays and the rest of the week. no cams and no mics so you can act cool if you want to but it's not encouraged.
get an account, message @tiramisudinosaurs (bammise) and subscribe to the madness today!

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I should be saving this for the next recap but my take on Shin is that he's destructive to the point of self-destruction. When he says he wants to dismantle the company piece by piece he doesn't care that he will end up poor and disgraced. He really thinks he's got nothing to lose, and YH mistaking him for a robot confirmed it for him. This episode was just people trying their best not to hurt his feelings and FAILING and failing hard. His only interaction that went semi-well was with So-bong, and that's only because she doesn't care about him at all and can be perfectly honest with him about what a dumbass he's being about all of this.

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Mary, please do join us!!! It'd be amazing!

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I mostly have incoherent screams and cries and shouts as my reaction to this episode, so I'll leave the awesome and cool analyses to the smart people, and just say :

Everyone needs a hug. Everyone. Young Hoon needs a really big one, Orishinal Sinnamon needs a slap on the neck, a hug, therapy, and a long talk about "Stop Being A Violent Punk".. And SoBongie and Shinnamon needs long hugs with each other.

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LET ROBOTS KISS HUMANS CONSENSUALLY 2K18
but also please can someone touch YH without it being a slap? he needs a good hug.

I feel like YH and human!Shin both give the absolute worst hugs. Shinnabon is a hugging power couple and my gay sons just awkwardly pat each other on the back and recoil
someone kill me

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WHEN will NS3 and SB kiss again?! I wait. SB is trying hard to empathize with her roboyfriend--such a cute scene, where she's trying, and he obviously appreciates her trying and yet also appreciates her honest, furious indignation for him. (Indignation he can't allow himself to admit he feels, and certainly can't express--but how clearly he loves her for doing it for him.) 'You're pretty.' Girl, he is talking about your beautiful soul, but he is a reactive creature. Before she knew he was a robot, she had all the heart pounding, and now it's complicated both because she feels more for him emotionally ('oh dear this delicious snack is a person, right, respect, respect!'), and because she fears his lack of feelings back.

I hadn't quite realized before this and next episode that neither SB nor NS 3 think NS 3 turned SB's confession down, but actually that they're tentatively giving it a try.

Shinnamon-and-Raisin Bagel should hug Young Hoon for making a great, emotionally healthy decision in this episode, and because his hyung so clearly needs a hug.

Come and Hug A Robot is so stressful.

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So-bong is from 2150, because the way she just accepts NS3 fundamental nature, and then makes a serious attempt to empathize with him, or to adopt his processing, is extraordinary to me. She is the most fully evolved, self-aware romantic lead I have seen. Really. The writing is forcing me to read up on philosophy and do some deep dives into Shelley’s Frankenstein.

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@laladaisical Yep. So-Bong is way ahead of the times. I could never love a robot romantically, no matter how human he looks and acts, and even if I've accepted him to be his own individual with his own processing. We'd be friends, no more. I'm not even going into the physical aspect of this relationship. There's a level of intimacy which cannot be reached: could you crack sarcastic jokes with a robot? (Toki priorities smh). What if he misunderstands? What if he gets really angry at something?

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Fact. After this week even I need a hug.

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*hug*
Here, have a Shinnamon Cookie-Donut 🍩🍪

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thank you. thank you.

I'll supplement those with a large bowl of ice cream and hopefully that will be enough to sustain me through next week's pain.

Actually it turns out that I won't be able to watch next week's episodes live because of real-world problems. Which is actually great news given that ep14 pushed me in an acute state of depression to the point where I was more or less useless for the entire day. Instead I'll get home late in the evening, watch ep15 and then have the entire night to cry about it. I feel like such an efficient self-destructor.

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LOL : I'm going to put a plaque on my desk: "efficient self-destructor"

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not to mention the hug of prison cell bars for grandpa, and hugs of maternal affection for Laura and David..

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I... want that company to go up in flames. But then it means Robo Shin would be destroyed... so I'm as conflicted as Young-Hoon.

I confess Fellowship, I almost betrayed you this episode. Although I love Robo Shin, my sympathy was really swinging towards Shin Original because he's so flawed and human, while Robo Shin is just too sweet and perfect... but then that final wrenching scene happened and I was really angry at him. His redemption will be an uphill battle, but I still hope it happens.

I waited so long for him to wake up, that to see him being so cold disappointed and hurt me . *tears* I almost cried to realise he's such a twisted guy, since his coma persona looked so innocent. I knew it would be complicated when he woke up, but I hadn't realised how angry he would be about being replaced. I get it, it makes sense. But he's not aware of the whole story. Somebody needs to talk to him about their "conflicted" feelings - it's not like they embraced Robo Shin with open arms initially.

I'm rambling now. I guess I was not expecting Seo Kang Joon to play both hero and villain, if that's where the drama is going.

In conclusion, I'm near mental breakdown too. Save me Fellowship!

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Orishinal had me bawling, Toki. BAWLING. I love Sinnamon AND Shinnamon! Gosh darn, I just want them all to be happy!! Why can’t they all be happy? This is a KDRAMA. Someone just pretend like identical long-lost twins happened and have them all sort it out.

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natural progression of the /Fellowship of the Robot/ is /Two Nam Shins/ so that we can reach a happy conclusion with /The Return of The Shin/.

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*rubs my temples* We have four episodes. Is it enough to get to Return Of The Shin(s)?

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I think we're already entering Mordor... so this is either Return of the Shins or Rogue Shin. We won't know until the end.
*hugs all around, we'ere going to need it.*

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@wishfultoki You said Rogue, so..

*picks up my lightsaber in addition to my already-drawn sword*

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I can't believe nobody made an Attack of the Clones joke yet :/

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Aw man, Nam Shin already sounded like Darth Vader in that final scene. If he becomes a cyborg too by the end of this drama it'll be "Revenge of the Shin". *cries*

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=.= Nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If this happens, I’m gonna Padme! My twin children are gonna be the death of me!

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I was going to say 'there are four episodes left' but that has really traumatic connotations for me, so I won't.

How about 2 episodes of The War of the Shins followed by 2 episodes of The Revenge of the Shins - where they work together and take Granddad and EvilDad down?

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I'd pay to see that. :D

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From your keyboard to God's ears! I so hope for a team up, so everybody can love each other. Though it's interesting to see the recaps become a battlefield of love, much like the drama itself.

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That was my hope too...though it will probably get worse before it gets better. Chief Kim taught me to have hope in the wannabee villain until the end anyway, and I need to live up to my name of WishfulToki. So I'm still hoping that they team up and confuse the daylights out of Granddad and Villain Seo.

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I love Shinnamon AND Sinnamon TOO. I rocket between feeling sad and defensive for both of them. When I see people preferring Sinnamon, I'm outraged--this is Shinnamon's drama, and people are being Ro Ra, saying the human one is the one who matters! But at the same time, it's so much fun that the drama is making people think like Ro Ra, who everybody was appalled with at the time. I hope this brings about empathy for Ro Ra, who has been in a paralyzingly awful situation for 20 years and is such a genius.

The one I'm really mad at is David, who says he made Shinnamon in this episode--no, Ro Ra did, stop men taking credit for women's genius! But at the same time, I know he shares in the pride of creation, and I do believe he loves Shinnamon. Still, his conspiracy with Grandpa is so bad, and I do always recall Shinnamon snapping at David in episode 1. I trust Shinnamon, ironically, to be our emotional compass. I believe Shinnamon loves David, but I also believe Shinnamon's primary emotional connection was with his mother and not David for a reason.

I'm so mad at the awful situation Shinnamon's in. But I'm also so mad at the awful situation Sinnamon's in. He implies to his mother that he doesn't care when he has pictures of her all up in his phone! Boy why are you like this! (And yet, we know why he is.) I have sympathy for all, and extreme fear for all. Except Grandpa and Jong gil.

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David probably helped Ro Ra make him.. he's a scientist, too, and a passionate one at that. we've seen in the past that he has implemented things without Ro Ra even knowing, so clearly he also played a big hand in making NSIII. it's not like creating an actual human where women do most of the work, lmao.

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"But he's not aware of the whole story. Somebody needs to talk to him about their "conflicted" feelings - it's not like they embraced Robo Shin with open arms initially"

Yes! Hey atleast your ramblings are more coherent than mine. I've watched this episode twice so my thoughts are more organized now, hahaha. Well as of now, Human Shin is so hurt that he's blind to everyone's feelings but his own. He doesn't understand that everyone went thru the same motions when they first met NS3- disgust, rejection, control, understanding and acceptance. Right now, human Shin is disgusted. He rejects NS3 and wants to control him. Will he eventually understand and accept NS3? I question if redemption was even possible with him in this episode but like you, I want to see it happen! We'll see...

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It needs to happen or there will be no point to this drama (at least for me)! How can they villain-ize human!SHIN and get away with making Shinnamon not-plausible for it. It wouldn't make any narrative sense, but at this point all these plot twists have me emotionally exhausted so I can't even predict anything...

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Well my question is how exactly will NS redeem himself? He looked too far gone to be saved in this episode. What would be his salvation? Is it Robot Shin? You're right in that I can't even predict...

Oh I just finished watching Duel and lets just say that I hope its not the answer they gave for redemption. :C

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#1 - agree which is why I didn't like RoRa because I looked at her from the lens of NS3 but recent episodes have made me see her in a different light...forcing me to look at her from her perspective. I guess once her character got more depth, was I less critical of her actions.

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#2 - I agree YH had control issue but I felt like that hold loosened once he understood NS3. Plus I read a lot of his actions based on his character/personality. I wanted to believe he wanted what was best for human Shin. True while he may not have understood him initially (and may have not understood his own feelings towards Shin), I don't think he had ill intentions at all and I saw that once he was able to organize how he truly felt, did he actually try to understand and see Shin for who he is.

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#3 - That's a good point about NS3 having control issues as well. Again, I took it from NS3's perspective in that he had no bad intention and didn't want to see NS hurt and thus acted accordingly, just how YH acted around Shin. To me, I believe that was them caring for him in the ways they best knew about him. Given NS childish responses - his impulsiveness and emotional outbursts, for me, that's how YH, NS - and well just about everyone- read him and it makes sense why they would have taken a more "controlling" stance because NS has not, according to them, demonstrated that he has the ability to be emotionally mature enough to be considered independent. Therefore they took what they "believe" was the best course of action for him.

Also that linear perspective...it's something I noticed about NS3 since the driverless car chase scene. There is this concept called, Theory of Mind (TOM) which is the idea that people have thoughts that are different from your own. I'll copy wiki's definition:

"Theory of mind is the ability to attribute mental states—beliefs, intents, desires, emotions, knowledge, etc.—to oneself, and to others, and to understand that others have beliefs, desires, intentions, and perspectives that are different from one's own."

This theory explains how people are able to socialize, empathize or sympathize and connect with others. TOM determines how people interact, engage and form relationships and build connections. TOM is responsible for social cognition. I noticed that episodes prior to the car chase scene, NS3 lack this TOM and after YH's explanation that his choice wasn't necessarily for the benefit of all, did NS3 start to show more of this awareness of TOM. He started to realize that people do not think of themselves (or things) in terms of good or bad/black or white but rather, in terms of how they think of others in relation to their own thoughts. It explains to me why NS3 would allow RoRa to put the manual mode watch on him because he understood that in order to mend the relationship with RoRa and maintain his relationship with So Bong, he needed to comply, to show he understands what they're thinking. My heart sank during this scene because honestly I felt he was the most human here- human in that he had started to understand the effects emotions have on decisions and realized that sometimes sacrificing himself was necessary to keep precious people close.

Surprisingly, I believe NS is currently unable to fully grasp this concept of TOM. It is a reason why he can just hurt people left and right. >_> However, I have hopes for him...if a robot can do it then surely he can as well right? lol

But yes this ability to do perspective taking, this TOM, is what I believe has been shown throughout the show and in some ways, I feel like the writers and directors want you to do that too, to take on this perspective taking, to watch their characters and to understand them and not necessarily paint them...

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not necessarily paint them simply as good or bad.

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Human Nam Shin has not matured because he has stayed stuck in his childhood hurt, fear, and anger. He was powerless as a child. Now he is an adult, but his maladaptive coping technique is still tantrums and rebellion - reacting with every bit of power he can - precisely because he feels powerless and insecure. When he gets angry and violent, he feels powerful.

It's a maladaptive coping technique that helps him feel better in that moment, but impairs his life and his growth in the long run.

He won't mature until he can work through the pain of his childhood. No way around it but through it.

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I love a long speech! And I too feel great sympathy for Human Shin. But I am trying to see things from all the PoVs, because I do think that many PoVs are offered by the show for us to experience--so we can feel sympathy for a lot of the characters at once.

I agree Ro Ra isn't being fair to either Shin at all, but I do think that her trauma has stuck her at the time she was traumatized--so yes, she expects both her sons to act like the kid she was torn away from and never got the chance to raise. Which they can't do, though in some ways NS is also still trapped by trauma at that age, hence all the acting out. I feel awful for both their traumas, at the same time as not wanting them to take the trauma out on others (NS 3, So Bong, Young Hoon).

It's a very big ask for Young Hoon, a ceaselessly physically abused orphan with no power, to both free Human Shin from the company and thoroughly prepare Human Shin to take it over. Human Shin's being pretty contradictory: he told Young Hoon he wanted to take back his place at the company from the robot, and he told him he never said he wanted the company. (Not that I blame Shin for this at all, people are contradictory, especially deeply wounded people, and we've all known the feeling of 'I don't want this thing, but I don't want someone else to have it!') I do think Young Hoon cares more about the company than NS or NS 3, and that does influence his decisions (making him think the company weighs more with NS than it does), but then we can intuit Young Hoon is the only one of the three who's experienced financial privation, so no wonder he finds the company more desirable--but (in his eyes) it's a desirable thing he's giving up to Shin, because as he says explicitly, he doesn't want to hurt Shin.

And of course YH is super worried about NS's physical wellbeing--NS clearly isn't well, and yet he brutally cuts himself and drinks to excess. He actually is physically harming himself, so I can see why anyone who loved him, and I do think YH loves NS, would be desperately trying to stop him doing that. Do I think Young Hoon always expresses it in the right way? Oh my god, no. When he said the robot thing to NS, I was horrified for both of them--that was the exact wrong and most painful thing to say. It's a terrible thing people do: we love people, and we hurt them. NS is certainly hurting people, and of course he's also doing what Ye Na, Young Hoon and So Bong did before him--hurting someone he doesn't think of as a person, because maybe that's OK. (But we know that NS 3 is a person, and it's not.)

I truly, truly hope that everybody is able to work past all of their pain and all of their flaws to unite and burn the company down or fix it or whatever makes the most people happiest. In my ideal ending the grandfather and Jong Gil aren't happy, but everyone else is.

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I understood YH's answer during the luncheon in that he believes Robot Shin to be best fit for the position and not necessarily human Shin. At this point in the story, Grandpa has revealed to YH that knows Robot Shin exists and I believe that the meeting was actually meant for Robot Shin to hear and not necessarily human Shin because the meeting follows Grandpa's revelation.

When YH gets angry calling him worse than a robot, I believe it is again a reference to TOM, that Shin was unable to understand YH. However, I believe they are both at fault for not understanding eachother, hence the conflict and to me that's just normal. Aren't conflicts a result of differing perspectives anyways?

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Omg youre right about that sequence of robot shin revelation...my 3 hours of sleep is showing!!!! XD

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I understand you. I was so angry at Shin for what he's doing but at the same time I can't ignore the horrible life he has suffered. I also understand him being angry at NS3 replacing him. Someone should have a bit of common sense and send NS3 away from the company for a while, ASAP. But again, there is grandpa who might not allow it. Grandpa is the cancer that is ruining the lives of all that people.
Anyway, my emotions were so contradictory that my head was aching, haha!! I hate Nam Shin for what he's doing to the innocent NS3 and the others, but at the same time I feel his pain and wish for his recovery. And at the same time I still adore NS3 because no matter which are the reasons for him being so pure and perfect, the fact is that he is all that, he's caring and loving and goodhearted and needs protection. So I get riled up every time Nam Shin tries to hurt him. Well, I have to say that this show is doing a good job by playing with our emotions.

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Later, when this is over, I'm going to revisit the earlier episodes to pinpoint when I realized this show is effing great. In fact, I swear a LOT while watching this show. Mostly just, "This is so f*cking goooooood!"

Are You Human Too? is a marvelous exploration of humanity and love. I need an app to help me map out the dodecahedron of erotic, filial, familial, self and every other sweet/toxic, suppressed/expressed flavors of love.

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I binged 1-12 (full eps, so 1-24 half eps) this last weekend and I had followed the beanie threads enough to know there was disappointment with the first episodes, followed by surprised like, followed by love, followed by insanity.

So, going in with that all that expectation all I could think was--this show was really good from ep 1. I liked it a lot and didn't see any of the issues others pointed out.

That being said, I do think there is an amazing, wonderful shift when SoBong starts to not only see him as human, but starts to encourage him to be his own person. I think that's when the show starts to become something really special.

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Seo Kang-joon is killing it! You can always tell Shin apart from NS3. Shin has a sharpness, a cold, hard edge in his eyes that never goes away even when he is pretending to be NS3. When Shin smiles, the smile never reaches his eyes. And NS3 has a softness, a brightness to him that also never goes away even when he is pretending to be Shin. The difference in the eyes tells you who it is, Shin or NS3, which is amazing because it's the same actor! It's like Seo Kang-joon is playing 4 characters: 1) Shin, 2) NS3, 3) Shin pretending to be NS3, and 4) NS3 pretending to be Shin. And he is nailing every time.

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My mind is about to explode. Every time one of them replaces the other and I have to stop and think who knows what:

-Robo Shin pretending to be Nam Shin.
-Nam Shin pretending to be Robo Shin pretending to be Nam Shin.
-At the dinner: Chairman pretending to be speaking to Nam - Shin knowing that he is pretending to be Robo Shin pretending to be Nam Shin.

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Hahahaha.. me too! I was too serious looking at Kang-joon eyes expression to see if it's RoboShin or OriShinal :)).

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After awhile, I just gave up trying to differentiate them. lol I think this confusion is intentional. I won't elaborate right now because I dont want to spoil anything... but will definitely mention it in detailed for ep 27-28. :D

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YES. What kills me is that there hasn't been one moment where I was like "Eh...that scene was a little off.. " or even "that one look was a little off..." There is no SKJ, there is only NS and NSIII and all the iterations of them when they're pretending to be each other.

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Exactly! I'm like, SKJ who? All I see is my Shinnababy!

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That boy must have worked his a$$ off to make this happen! So proud of him!

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I remember @bammsie said this-- and I completely agree. This show (instead of the actual show) should've been called Come and Hug Me and vice-versa for Come and Hug Me. RoboShin is inspiring me to become a better person. Ugh he's so sweet I have to brush my teeth after watching and get two insuline shots before and after the show. And Sobong-- how did you creep up to be one of my top 10 female leads?

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We were constantly questioning humanity in Come And Hug Me, with the psychopathic dad and Na Moo and Hyun Mol’s struggles with the dark side.

And with Are You Human? They all need hugs! And give wonderful hugs! Mom needs to hug Orishinal and Shinnamon! So Bong and Shinnamon must have more hugs! Young Hoon needs a long hug to express that he has worked hard and done well! They all just need hugs!

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For the last few episodes I had a steaming hot chocolate with me! EVERYTIME! I need the assurance of warmth and the taste of sugar and sometimes the scalding of my tongue!

This show will be the end of me *sigh*

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Congratulations, Show, on making me like Seo Kang Joon as an actor.

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Has he not been good in previous roles?

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I liked him in CITT --*hides in a corner*

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I liked him too! That drama was controversial for reasons other than his acting, so we don't need to hide in a corner.

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i like him in AYHT the most 😁,,gonna try his previous roles that i missed before

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I didn't watch that one, but I did hear he was good in it.

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He was really good in CITT tbh. He was the perfect wild, discordant, emotional Baek In Ho, imo. I tried watching the movie and the new guy was just meh...

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I've never been that impressed by him and the only shows I saw where he was really a major character were Entourage, which was utterly terrible, and What Happens to My Family where I really disliked his character and he was a little green at the time. This is my first time seeing him in a recent show where he's in a major role and his acting's a lot more nuanced than it was in the previous shows I've seen.

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I'm currently watching SLY AND SINGLE AGAIN, when I can squeeze it in among all the live-watching.

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I'd seen Seo Kang-joon in HWAJUNG / SPLENDID POLITICS, and he was good in a supporting role facing off against Han Joo-wan. I had mainly tuned in for Cha Seung-won and Kim Jae-won, who played Gwanghaegun and King Injo, respectively. At 50 episodes, it wasn't for everyone.

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What I don't understand is some of human Shin's behavior. He doesn't want to be pitied but hates that others pity NS3. He's angry & hurt yes, so he's turning away his loved ones BUT he can't stand NS3, even though he's told that NS3 will go away once he's better.
So what I'm saying is, he can't be aloof from that matter but he's getting involved more & more & it's all becoming more of a mess than it already is plus he's scarily starting to become like his grandpa. Writer Nim please save human shin & don't push him into darkness >.<

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It helps if you realise that everything he says is the exact opposite of what he means.

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I understood the paradoxes in human shin's behavior and words as him being super sensitive and emotional. To me, it seems that Shin runs his course of actions based primarily on how he feels.

For example, when he learns that RoRa had made NS3..well we know that he probably missed her, but when he saw that she has replaced him with a robot, he sensed betrayal. Therefore he felt longing, betrayal, hurt, denial and anger...all of these emotions are jumbled up. He just feels. Then you have that scene with YH, where Shin asked if YH was ever confused since he knows him the best and YH lies about it. I got this feeling that Shin believed they trusted each other enough to be open, vulnerable and honest , so when YH lied, Shin read his lie as betrayal and dishonesty which lead to Shin feeling angry. This anger was what kept him up all night plotting.

As of now, I can tell that human Shin's hurt is deeply rooted, but he doesn't want to be the only one being in pain, so he pricks people with snide remarks, hoping that they'd hurt in return. However, I want to believe that deep down beneath all those layers of trauma, he does have a soft heart...which is why he pricks instead of actually going full blown revenge mode by killing people off or something.

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Yes. The urge to hurt when you yourself are hurt is a common denominator for most humans. At this point, oriSHIN just wants an eye for an eye, consequences be damned because he just wants his own hurt to be relieved just a tiny bit.

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And of course the tragic irony is that YH is lying to spare Orishin, whom he loves, pain. So many people being so (heh) human.

And Orishin has been taught to interact with people in such an awful, poisonous way. I felt so bad for both Shins in the last scene, when Orishin said Grandpa's line to him. 'What do I have to mess with...' We all know where that comes from. I have such pity for Orishin's trauma, but also deep fear for Shinnabon and So Bong, who are (in this scenario) innocents in the way Orishin was once himself.

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That's the beauty of human Shin - while Shinnamon is the epitome of rational, human Shin is completely different. Imagine being in his shoes - abandoned at a young age, raised in an emotionally abusive environment with the constant threat of his mother's imminent death looming over and being staked on his every move. All his life he's been repressed and beaten down and been made to do things for the sake of people that he genuinely loves.

But then one day he gets in a terrible accident, then wakes up and finds that his mom (who he's done everything in his power to protect from certain death) has been raising this perfect caricature of him, his brother-like-person has conflicted feelings for that other thing and everyone just generally seems to love his replacement while he's been essentially on a potential deathbed.

I completely understand his hostility. He's angry and desperate and so, so hurt because HOW could they all do that do him! To him, it's like he's been abandoned all over again and he's having difficulty channeling all this pent up rage so he's going bonkers trying to beat this doppleganger who's taken over his life because he WANTS IT BACK, because it was all HIS in the first place and he just wants to be loved again!

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This is terrible. I'm not watching the drama but I happened to read this comment in the Beanie's section and now I feel terrible for human Shin.

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Human Shin is so three-dimensional. I luff him so much.

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Is Shinnamon the epitome of rational, though, when he starts this episode asking himself 'Why am I doing all this?!'

I think Shinnamon and Sinnamon are coming from really, really different places, but are on such interesting trajectories partly because they are mirrors of each other. Sinnamon's wondering if he can BE genuinely loved, and Shinnamon's wondering if he can FEEL genuine love.

I do understand Sinnamon's hostility, absolutely, but oh good lord is he channeling it in ways that will only hurt himself. And others. In their beautiful robot faces.

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Okay but am I the only one who sympathizes with human Shin?
I mean think about it, it’s actually really annoying to have a copy of you that’s smarter than you AND was liked in your place. I don’t know about you guys but if my mom were to create such a robot to replace me, I’d be furious as heck. Especially if she gave up looking for me. Also, I don’t know if it’s just me but this whole human-robot love is actually low-key grossing me out. I mean Seo Kang Joon is a human afterall but I still feel weird whenever she talks about jealousy and such stuff. I mean, even personally, I think I could easily be friends with such a robot but I can’t LIKE that robot in a romantic way. IT’S WEIRD! Also, can I just put this out there? I’m a Computer Science graduate and most of the things don’ make no sense to me. Wait a seeecond, maybe it’s because I over analyze things as a Computer Scientist that I don’t get the feelings I should be feeling? Hmmmmmm

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I'm with you too. The main couple never talks about what they are going to do after Shin's awake and the relationship they do is seriously in honeymoon phase. Are Sobong going to stick with NS3 with that young face forever? How about her society acceptance? Do Sobong needs to protect the battery removal until she's old?

Even Sobong couldn't reply when human Shin asked what do you feel when you're wake up and someone replaced you and take away your dad.

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See below for my wholehearted agreement. But then I'm the Grinch of kdrama at the moment. Bah humbug.

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For me, I am in love with the IDEA of human-robot love. I don't look at it realistically because if I did, then of course it wouldn't make sense. But it's this idea that if we make a robot so advanced that it can mimic humanness, is it possible for romantic feelings to develop? To see that idea get explore and see what the writers say about it, is what I love.

I guess for me, I see this robot-human love as fantastical. I mean you can replace the robot, with say, a Prince and it'll still have those same fantastical elements. I mean if we look at stories where the male character is a prince (and not a robot), can he truly fall in love with your average female character? Realistically, no because his pool of fish is better than you cuz they're richer, powerful and smarter so why would he give up his status for you? However, we are in love with the idea of a prince - someone who's world if full of wealth, power, and prestige- falling for a lady that doesn't have any of that. Why? Because the idea itself tickles our fancies...it's this idea that someone of high status can lower themselves to the woman they love.

If I want to be more extreme, what if we replace the robot character and say he was a vampire instead? Vampire-human love is a fantasy too. Realistically, vampires aren't real and even if we look at their existence logically, they can't be compatible with humans. For example, how can something dead be able to consummate with humans (yeah it was very realistic how Bella was able to become pregnant, sorry for the spoiler folks)? However, Twilight was such a big hit because the idea that something so dead can become alive because of human love is what made it such a hit. It's this idea of what could be that fascinates people...

Again, I embrace this robot-human love idea because of the theoretical messages and questions it imposed - I'm looking at the creative and philosophical aspect of this robot-human love genre and not necessarily at the realism factor.

This is fiction after all..it's fictional work which means it's not real anyways. At best, fiction can mirror reality, however what kind of truths exist in a world full of illusions?

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*start of rant in agreement with ^^*

I swear, half the OTPs in kdrama land should come with a 'DO NOT do this in RL' warning.

I think a robot-human love is just as likely as someone who's a total jerk (not talking about NS here) doing a 180 and becoming a nice person and STAYING A NICE PERSON FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

*end of rant*

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hahaha true! People's personality can't change that easily. lol

Speaking of that warning...Didn't they used to have a disclaimer in kdrama land that went something like this, "This is a work of fiction. All characters are fictional. Any relation to actual people are coincidental." or something along that line?

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Absolutely. True love overcomes all obstacles, that's the story! It's not 'true love sees a big obstacle, makes a face at it, says--oh well, never mind, kid--and has a packed lunch and signs up for online dating.'

In real life, we don't want obstacles, would prefer not to have them and sometimes obstacles make love impossible, but for dramatic interest, all the obstacles.

LollyPip in her fab analysis of NS 3's emotions was right: we see NS 3 *dream* of telling So Bong he likes her back as he rushes to her side. We see poor, poor So Bong (in a fabulous scene for the actress) passionately weep as she explains that she tried not to love him but is a helpless victim to her overwhelming adoration and she wants to be with him to the end. (Oh the foreboding. I just know they're going to meld them but I dread it. But so many other solutions also seem bad.)

Ahem. NS 3 and So Bong love each other and I want them to overcome all obstacles and be together.

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I see where you're coming from but I still don't agree with you. A prince is a human who is capable of feeling maybe not so many incidents of a prince loving an average girl happen in real life but they do. Essentially, we're human beings of flesh and blood with the capability of sympathy and love (for normal people at least).
Moreover, I can't help but disagree with you that Twilight was a big hit because of such an idea, I mean, C'mon, we all know why it was a hit. But still, for a small portion of people, I think it's the idea of an aloof mysterious person that draws them.
At the end of the day, Nam Shin Ill is nothing but metal and its "thought process" is just logic gates executing some high level commands. Which again, I get it, Machine learning and AI might make a machine seem to have a brain. But certainly the behavior and actions that are taken aren't the result of sympathy or feeling but just the result of traversing some neural network which was built through a learning process (you can look up deep learning). Now we might have a long debate on what is a feeling and so on, but think about this, can a robot reminisce or feel nostalgic? Not really. Once more, maybe it's because I know too much about computers that I really see it as a bulk of metal and transistors at the end of the day!

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It's fine that you disagree. I just wanted to you understand which perspective I came from because you offered yours.

I will agree with this: I see the forest in which you see the trees.

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Cool! We agree to disagree. RESPECT! SALUTE!

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I completely agree with you and it's always been my problem with these shows. It makes sense to me that So-bong - who is cynical and thinks the world revolves around selfishness and money - would become extremely protective and emotionally-attached to something she sees as completely innocent. But romance? I don't buy it and it's certainly not reciprocated - at least in any way we would categorise as 'romance'.

Where this show has stepped it up, I think, is in two things:
Firstly, it acknowledged the biochemical nature of emotions and that So-bong has them but he doesn't. Show has said this outright and it is correct. Shin does not have emotions and show acknowledges this.

Secondly, because they acknowledged the biochemical basis of emotions they have opened the possibility that Shin's programming is capable of producing something that is a proxy for emotions. Not emotions per se, but a simulacrum of them.

Lollypip put it in her recap but I don't think she saw the importance of it. In the discussion between So-bong and Shin about his "jealousy" she points out that our perception of other people's emotions is entirely about their behaviour. We don't see someone's dopamine rise or their epinephrine drop. We see their behaviour.

At that point, whether Shin does or does not have "emotions" actually doesn't matter. What matters for us as the audience and for So-bong is that he behaves as though he does. Whether it's neural nets or neurochemicals, if the result is the same then it doesn't matter.

From a philosophical and ethical perspective, Shin is no different from any other person we see on the street. We can’t see their personhood, we simply deduce personhood from their actions. We can’t see their feelings, we simply deduce feelings from their actions. Ergo, whether Shin has or does not have emotions becomes moot. If his programming results in behaviours that resemble feelings then we, as people, have to respond to him as though he has feelings.

Understanding how he's built becomes analogous to understanding the basics of biology - just because you know where my behaviours come from, doesn't make them invalid.

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I fully agree (and have been saying similar things for weeks, if not as well articulated) with 1) the operational definition of feelings and 2) the fundamental chemical difference between human and robotic feelings.

But there is one inconsistency imo: you seem to accept that because he is behaving as a person Shin is a person, and that his feelings as legitimate yet also deny from the start SB's feelings for him and his ability to love her in return.

Why is an operational definition acceptable for other feelings but not for romance? Is it the case that if pheromones are not involved then it's not love? How about human couples that have been together for 50y - way passed the point where the basic chemical effects of romance matter? Is that not love either?

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As I said, he doesn't have emotions just a programmed simulacrum of them. I didn't say his feelings are legitimate because he doesn't have feelings. I said we have to respond to his behaviour in the same way we respond to a human's.

Just ignoring So-bong's feelings because that's a big bundle of things including her almost-maternal drive to protect him and the pressure cooker situation she's in, "romance" is underpinned entirely by a biological drive for sex. He doesn't have that, not even a simulacrum of that. I've seen no evidence of a sexuality. That doesn't preclude him from choosing to engage in sexual acts for her sake. But is her reciprocating her emotions? No. No way.

Also this:

How about human couples that have been together for 50y - way passed the point where the basic chemical effects of romance matter?

is just... wrong. The biochemistry of love has no age limit and there's some evidence the biochemistry of long-married couples is unique and specific.

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I can see this easily escalating into yet another yay-nay match and we have had enough of those on this thread.
agree to disagree

My opinion is that by reducing love to chemical reactions all one does is degrade its value. To me personally it makes humans (not robots) less than they are. It's selling our feelings short.

PS: There are many roads to love and happiness. 'Just because I am not on yours does not mean that I have gotten lost.'

PPS: I could use a reference for the study on the chemical substrate of long term romance you had in mind. As someone who works on brains for a living I don't think I have seen one.

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Yeah no it's fine. As soon as I posted it, I regretted it. I've been having this conversation on my fan wall where it should have stayed. It's just that the conversation went that way so I chimed in. I already know how upset people get when you go in this direction and it is only a TV show after all.

I think I just find it interesting that I'm not saying anything the show itself isn't saying. But that is a thought I shall put on my fan wall if you feel like following it up.

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No worries I wasn't actually bothered by your opinion - just curious. While I cannot deny the importance of neuromodulators in attraction and the establishment of a romantic connection, what makes love last is intellectual compatibility, shared experiences or interests, and a repeated choice of investing in the relationship, of compromising and trying to understand the other person - a full history of shared experience. RoboShin can't have the chemicals but he can have all the rest imo. I guess it's a personal choice whether or not you consider that to be enough. But as long as SB thinks so, who are we to judge?

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I wish I could find and upvote every comment you post on this subject.

I guess the easiest way to put this whole arguement is to ask: What IS the actual difference between a very high-end computer with a very high-end robot, completely excluding their shape and figure? This would have been much easier to answer if an older not-as-pretty actor was playing the robot. Or better yet, if it actually had a metal form.

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Yes, yes @ midnight. I understood that question you posed as this: there is no difference. Well, that's what I inferred from the show. But I don't think that's an easy question either lol

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"My opinion is that by reducing love...degrade [human] value...makes humans (not robots) less than they are. "

Yes, yes. Exactly! I believe everybody's definition of romance is different. I feel like there are two extremes: one side that puts more emphasis on the role sex has with attraction and one side where sex has less of a role on attraction. I am in the latter in that being physically attracted to another does not equal romantic love. However I believe this subject of love and sex is like the question of the chicken and egg - there are no right or wrong answers. All I ask is for others to understand that different perspectives exist on that controversial topic.

To me, I think being physically attracted to others is a result of natural selection. Thus to me, that perspective - one of evolution- puts more emphasis on the "animal" aspect of attraction, rather than the "human" aspect. By human, I mean our cognitive and emotional abilities. I think that when we look primarily at being physically attracted someone, we are acting according to a mixture of DNA and environment.

I've read a lot of relationship stuff...like a lot of theories on attraction...The general conclusion I came to is this: you are attracted physically (on a subconscious level) to people that look like your parents. Why? Because attachment is the foundation for love and the person you attach early in life determines how you attach to your lover.

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Reminds me...There was this photograph I saw of a male photographer who took a picture of his daughter and surprisingly? she looked almost exactly like his grandmother did when she was young. How creepy is that? But the question is why? I mean he looked attractive and had a huge pool of women to pick from but instead ends up with a woman who gave him a child that looked like his grandma...? Our biology is at play here, not necessarily our humanness, trying to ensure the genes get passed.

I could go on and on but then again, I think this physical aspect of romance doesn't pertain exactly to show as of now....Lets see if it gets addressed later and how...

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Thank you for the recap, LollyPip!

Wow. The intensity that Seo Kang-joon shows as Human Shin. Just... wow. Every episode I get more and more impressed with what he is doing with both of these characters. I THOUGHT something was up when Human Shin was pretending to be Shinnamon at work, but I honestly dismissed it as Shinnamon becoming better at acting like him.

WELP.

I never trust anything in this show anymore oh my goodness. I’m always wrong.

But anyway. Bravo, Seo Kang-joon. Bravo. I was really starting to feel for Human Shin this episode, especially during his conversation with Young-hoon, and that’s in no small part due to his performance. And, you know, the fact that everyone is basically telling him that he’s nothing compared to Shinnamon. Yikes. This poor, problematic boy.

And I can’t help but feel very, very sorry for Ye-na this episode. That scene where she is hugging Human Shin... you could tell by the look on his face that he definitely does not feel for her what she feels for him. That paired with her father disowning her... dang. This poor girl. I really like that this show is making me feel for characters that I was so against at one point.

I love delicious plot twists, but characters are always the biggest draw for me in any piece of fiction. This writer’s plot twists come from the characterizations, if that makes sense, and so I love them and hate them more than I usually do. These characters have many, many layers and I am loving how the writer is revealing them.

It’s hard for me to say much about this episode after having seen the next so I’m keeping this short. Aggghhh. I don’t wanna accidentally say something spoiler-y for the next episode. So this is my comment for this episode, completely without substance.

Also I just want to say that Gong Seung-yeon is such a fairy and that scene with her in the rusty orange sweater wearing autumn tones in her makeup and standing outside surrounded by fallen leaves? Actual Art.

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I really want to like Yena, and I'm not sure why. Maybe I just prefer when the women characters are more three-dimensional so I'm reading more into the role than is there. Her life is quite tragic, but she is very strong and determined and I want her to be doing more interesting things than the usual blind-in-love-but-cra-cra-second lead.

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Yes. She has the potential to be so much more awesome, but she's bound herself with the idea of loving human Shin for the rest of her life, which essentially makes her worse then one-dimensional - especially as we, the audience, see that human Shin feels nothing but platonic for her.

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the actress playing Yena is sooo soo talent, she is so waste in this roles. Grrrr... And alsoo she is so beautifull

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You captured all of my feelings for this episode in your comment.

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Ya Na is the least fleshed out character. She exists only as a plot device. I feel nothing for her because of that.

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Oh, I find it quite interesting you mentioned trust. I mean the fact that deception is the premise of this story and that characters cannot trust each other...Now, that distrust extends to us the viewer where cannot trust these characters either! lol I'm just mindblown at how the writers and directors was able to do that...to fool us too!

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I really like that they're giving Ye Na a chance to express her disagreement with Orishinal, and her independence and wish to deal with her own emotions. They're so careful to have so many of the characters remind the audience that they are human, too. ;)

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That is the exact reason why i don't want yena to end up with human shin. She is one of the biggest victims here just like sobong she was caught up in all of these mess. Yes she is obsessed and spoiled but she doesn't deserve to be treated like that. I want her to grow on her own and to be a person of her own, not forcing herself to someone else.

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SKJ is doing such a fantastic job, I automatically assume he found his long-lost twin just in time for AYHT. Again, high praise, SKJ. High praise 🙌🏾.

I'm glad Shin is shaping up to be the primary antagonist. I'm sure, somewhere in the antepenultimate episode, he'll realize he's a sweater cardigan and a snarl away from becoming his grandfather. In a fit of nihilism, I hope he realizes too late. I like how relationship Shin's growing inhumanity correlates to NS3's burgeoning humanity.

So-bong and Dad's heart-to-heart made me tear up. She's so fierce in her love for her Tin Can, and I'm glad Dad will be there for her.</