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Team Dramabeans: What we’re watching

So, what are we all watching this week?

What kept you reaching for more (or agonizing when there was no more), and what made you want to throw your remote through the screen? Time to weigh in…

 

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Familiar Wife: I knew to expect a downer of a first episode because I’d been through it with Go Back Spouses—you have to establish an unhappy marriage to motivate this drastic wish-fulfillment where the couple ends up strangers—but this opening nearly made me give up on the show. There were thankfully enough pockets of lightness that pulled me through the dark times (and it helped immensely knowing where we were headed), but I haven’t quite warmed to the characters yet. Ji Sung is immature—not Manhole immature, but not a whole grown man yet—so he’s got a lot of shaping up to do, and fast. But it’s Ji Sung, so I look forward to watching him change and grow.

Mr. Sunshine: Well, I did ask for action. One unrequited love got dark really fast, but it’s actually a welcome turn because the story has been so languid otherwise. There’s only so much simmering five-way tension you can take before you just want the conflict to happen already, whatever it is. I could really do with a faster plot and people making some choices, good or evil.

Thirty But Seventeen: The uncle-nephew relationship in this is so precious. The otherwise cold hero is so uncharacteristically affectionate and loving when it comes to his nephew, and the sweet, dumb jock nephew is such an endearing, positive force in everyone’s lives. The plot is really threadbare, but I love all of the little interactions between the ragtag residents of this house, and it’s not the romance that’s got me—it’s the family that I want Seo-ri to have.

Let’s Eat 3: It’s like a merry-go-round of emotional constipation and misunderstanding, but somehow I still find the episodes thoroughly enjoyable, despite everyone keeping their feelings so secret that every single relationship is doomed to die before it starts. Other than the budding bromance, which is going strong. I heartily approve. I think these people need less food and more drink, so that they stop bottling up how they really feel. One really messy drunk group confession could do wonders. Just putting that out there.

 

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Grandpas Over Flowers Returns: I only used to follow these via the Overlords’ recaps, so I thought I was prepared for the secondhand stress of watching Seo-jin try to keep a group of his actor sunbaes happy, but omg. It’s so much worse on screen. Seo-jin has supposedly picked up a lot of tricks over the years from the multiple torture variety shows Na PD put him in. The flashbacks even tell us how the halbaes’ dynamics have improved over the years. But Seo-jin’s self-induced stress never goes away. (Which is probably the reason Na PD keeps sticking him in these deceptively laid-back shows.) It’s funny because he’s such an “eh, throw in whatever on the plate” guy elsewhere, but with the halbaes, Seo-jin turns into this over-solicitous perfectionist. There’s this sequence where he goes back and forth carrying a spread of dishes from one room to the other and back because he can’t decide if it’s better to eat on a large table with elbow room for the halbaes, or a smaller one with a better view. It’s funny and pitiful and such a relatable thing to travel with your elders and hear an offhand, “Oh, there’s no ramyun? That’s okay.” Which can mean anything from “I’m really okay with it,” to “You better go out and look for more MSG-filled instant noodles or I will be Disappointed.” The Travel Anxiety is even complete with Na PD as the annoying little brother who complains about food and lodgings that the responsible hyung worked so hard to arrange. Why does Seo-jin fall for it every time?

Produce 48: I don’t like watching shows like this because I know myself, and myself is the type who feels sorry for everyone with a sweet story and passable talent who gets booted out of a competition (from 96 to 12 idol-hopefuls.) But I caught this one episode where the lower-ranked girls were asked to choose what song to perform, supposedly a chance to show off their strengths either in dancing or singing, and then CRUEL PLOT TWIST! The higher-ranked girls get to choose after them and force the lowest-ranked girls out of their chosen songs. So of course I had to keep watching to know if the “rejects” would survive this displacement. And of course, I got hooked on everyone else’s worries. It sucks being at the bottom, but apparently it sucks being at the top too because everyone is trying to steal your spot. Now I find myself channel-surfing back to tvN at random hours because I forgot to take note of exactly what time the show airs and I need to know what happens next. Specifically, if there’s a surprise twist where all 60 remaining girls get to stay on the show. What do you mean, that’s not how this works?

 
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Fan Wall Spazzing) Life on Mars (Episodes 13-14):
I do have to admit that the show let me down a little when it brushed aside the serial killer arc with minimal follow-up. However, the show tied up the rest of the arcs with this week’s case brilliantly, smoothly directing all plot lines towards the main time-twisty puzzle that had captured my attention since its introduction in episode’s 2 cliffhanger. As much as I love 1988, I’m glad that the male lead returned to 2018 because rushing that in the last 15 minutes like any other mediocre show would have done would be a betrayal to the setup which left unfinished business for the male lead.

(Fan Wall Spazzing) Thirty But Seventeen (Episodes 5-8):
The show’s writing does leave quite a bit to be desired and I don’t see the show being original or exceptional given its rom-com nature, but it did capture my heart really well with the female lead’s struggles to survive in this hostile new world and her thawing of the male lead’s chilly disposition with her simple innocence and radiant joy, together with the bumbling nephew who fights to keep upbeat despite the gloominess of the two leads. I’m really hyped up over the preview which teases at him getting closer to the truth even though I know I’ll most likely be disappointed next week.

(Fan Wall Spazzing -> Watching) Your House Helper (Episodes 17-20):
The show did well with the sexual harassment and scam arcs this week, though I must express disappointment that we didn’t get any development for the nail shop lady and accessories lady when there’s so much juice to explore and tension to be had when it comes to their internal dilemmas. I also do not like how the show simply brushed off the lawyer’s sudden physical advances towards the designer in the car like they did with the stalking last week, which is particularly jarring when juxtaposed with the male lead repeatedly apologising to the female lead for his drunken kiss.

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(Watching) The Wife I Know (Episodes 1-2):
At 41 years old, Ji Sung is too old to be playing a high-schooler! I went to check the ages of the cast and the youngest in the 2006 timeline is Kang Ha Na, who at 29 years old is already pushing the boundaries of believability. The show should have casted some decent child actors and actresses to play the parts instead of wasting money on the bank employees (most of them will have zero development anyway). The story itself is an exposition on the butterfly effect that accompanies the fate-changing male lead and I’m looking forward to see how things have changed next week.

(Watching -> Fast-Forwarded) Let’s Eat 3 (Episodes 5-6):
I find it way too hard to watch the entire show with the 2nd female lead’s actions: enslaving the naked 2004 guy and stringing him along in false hope, purposely pushing the 2004 female lead’s buttons by going after 2004 male lead, putting up a fake pitiful act in front of the 2nd male lead so that he becomes guilt-ridden enough to take care of her welfare and acting high and classy in front of the female lead when she had abandoned the burden of caring for their parents and ran away overseas. With her being given more info to torture the female lead in the cliffhanger, I’m out!

(Fast-Forwarded) Are You Human Too (Episodes 29-32):
I’m disappointed that the show decided go the cliche route and make Robot vs Human the final conflict but I guess I should have seen it coming from the start when it was revealed everything started because of the company and stock evil characters like villainous father. When it comes to nuances, it was too little too late for the 2nd female lead and I pity Park Hwan Hee a lot for gaining little experience despite taking on what was billed as a lead role. I want to give the show credit for trying to include unexpected twists every week but then the dementia trope appears and I facepalm.

Should I watch My ID is Gangnam Beauty? I want to have a drama to watch over the weekend but it does cover material that's been done before and the main characters' descriptions aren't really enticing.

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Someone who knows the source material might be better able to tell you how it goes, but 3 episodes in and I kind of like it. However, I never watched Birth of Beauty and some of the other dramas that deal with this stuff. I think it probably resonates in Korea where middle school girls are wanting and getting plastic surgery.

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@Let's Eat 3, is 2nd female lead getting worse in recent episodes? I am this close to pick it up again because of Soo hoo...*cough*... I mean Go Dae Young, but she's so manipulative and annoying, so I only read the recaps.

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Actually, after watching, I don't really think the subject material for My ID is Gangnam Beauty has been handled as well as it has been here (so far). Most plastic surgery stories are about about the female lead being able to have a good life after plastic surgery. This drama seems to be criticizing the hypocrisy, mainly how the same people who bully you for being ugly, will harass you for being a plastic beauty later. In this story, the heroine still needs to gain confidence from within before she can truly be happy with herself.

I also think the character development for the leads has been good so far. We aren't supposed to accept their initial mindsets as the 'right' one and I really appreciate that. They've actually already faced some of their own faults in thinking in the recent episode so overall I'm really pleased.

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Ditto! Perhaps this is why I couldn't get past the first episode of other "makeover" kdramas. I appreciate the approach. It feels fairly thoughtful.

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So far Gangnam Beauty is a lot better than Netflix's recent show Insatiable. I think it's interesting that the show is focusing a lot on the misogyny. The lead character, now that she's moved from the very bottom of the list so to speak to the top, has a new perspective. She is seeing how other women are bullied and belittled for their looks. It's similar to how Insatiable took a "fat girl" and turned her pretty but instead of being creepy and tasteless it's really insightful.

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"I want to have a drama to watch over the weekend but it does cover material that's been done before and the main characters' descriptions aren't really enticing."
the premise did look unpromising, but surprisingly it is quite refreshing since the story is told from different perspective. this is first drama after my long drama slump since BTIOFL. the heroine story, as much as sad, but it is also create pitiful version of her. so, it is quite interesting how PD will handle her character next. i love mi rae already. i am usually not into timid girl character. mi rae seems timid and shy, but once somebody push her button, she becomes quiet sassy. and i like where she's not being damsel in distress, and the way she treats men around her, or how she's quick to have self reflection about her own fault.

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Life on Mars: My brain stops working whenever I think of some theories for this show, (Is 1988 a reality or a dream? Did Tae-joo really travel back in time?) so I'm going to talk about what non-brain-wrecking parts I love and appreciate from episodes 13 and 14. The highlight of this week's episodes was definitely on Han Tae-joo's relationship with the Violent Crimes Unit 3 in 1988. The team members' willingness to follow Tae-joo's orders in order to save Dong-cheol made me feel so happy because the team trusts Tae-joo fully now. Na-young has always played a big part on Tae-joo's decision, so when she told him to listen to his heart (which he did), I was really happy. I was shocked but happy at his decision at the end of episode 14, but this shows how much he likes the team now and how he is willing to risk his life for the team. Now that he's back in the present, I'm going to miss 1988. No, let me rephrase that: I am going to miss this show and I am not yet ready to let go of this gem of a show.

Are You Human Too: This show never runs out of something to surprise us each week. OriShin is turning into someone we probably didn't want him to become, Nam Shin 3 is gaining back his confidence and has finally decided to do something for his self, Ye-na is finally doing something right for OriShin (and throwing some iconic lines), Grandpa is now in a position where he is slowly paying for his sins, Mom is subtly showing how much she cares for RoboShin, Young-hoon's love for OriShin knows no bounds (no matter how bad the kid is, he still wants the best for him. I need my BroTP to sail), and So-bong is turning out to be one strong, sassy, protective, flawed, but a really great female lead. I love the character developments! The Tin Can Couple is all sorts of cute and I am also excited to see how our Young-Shin BroTP is going. With a show with a strong plot, character growths, and surprising twists, all that is left is a satisfying ending. Don't let me down, show!

My ID is Gangnam Beauty: The actors are doing a great job at owning the characters instead of doing a textbook copy of them. As someone who had read the webtoon, I am still liking how they changed some things here and there and the pacing is good so it still makes me watch the hell out of this show. Each episode is getting better and better and what I really love about ep 3 is that it showed us how Mi-rae and Kyung-seok are both great people: they acknowledge their mistakes and say their apologies to each other. I love how awkward their relationship is in the webtoon and on-screen.

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Thirty But Seventeen: Has all the good stuff such as cute leads, a cute noona crush, JENNIFER, fish-out-of-the-water and modern-day sleeping beauty waking up plot, cute childhood crushes, and a funny cast. There's nothing really going on these past few episodes, but I do appreciate the slow pacing and the funny antics and set-up. The plot really needs to get on gears on the next episodes. Chan's crush is cute but I am not yet ready to have his heart and my heart be broken at the same time.

Familiar Wife: I was kind of disappointed with the first episode (plot-wise) and can't help but compare this show with Go Back Couple (I tried so hard not to, but it didn't work) so I kept telling myself to stay for Han Ji-min and Ji Sung (I love them both so much). Thank God (for now) I stayed through 2 episodes and I finally saw the light with last few minutes of ep 2. Now I'm excited to see how everyone's lives in the present will turn out because of Cha Joo-Hyuk's decisions when he traveled back again to 2006.

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* Deleted my comment due to wrong formatting but my next comment (^this one) has also been outputted with a wrong format. I've checked my comment before, but I am sure I formatted it right. Sorry if it doesn't look good.

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I ninja-fixed your first one but by the time I finished, you already deleted it >___<

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Woah. That was fast (I deleted my comment once I saw the wrong format). Regardless, thank you, mary!!!! ❤

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You said everything I wanted to say about my 3 favorite shows right now!

Especially this: "Mi-rae and Kyung-seok are both great people: they acknowledge their mistakes and say their apologies to each other." I completely agree! I'm already loving how awkward and genuine their relationship is. It's adorable.

I'm holding off reading the webtoon because I want to save it for when I'm experiencing withdrawals later, but they are making it really hard to resist...

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You can actually read the webtoon without being spoiled that much because they changed some things here and there. Sadly, I think the drama will catch up to the translated chapters around ep 8-10. The webtoon is cute so you can read it again if the withdrawal kicks in!

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Good to know, in case I cave! I hear they both have their own merit so I'm looking forward to enjoying it separately later, but maybe I'll do it when it catches up instead.

It'll be interesting to see where they take the drama from there. The webtoon writer is apparently getting scripts sent to her for every episode and production has taken her input seriously (according to an interview she gave) so that's good news!

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Life on Mars: I can't believe this drama still managed to leave us with so many questions this late in the game. I don't know what and whom to believe anymore. And I'm still trying to reconcile the fact that Tae-joo is really going to wake up in 2018. I just hope that doesn't necessarily mean we are going to part ways forever with our dear '88 team.

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Life: Yay! Lee Kyu-hyung oppa is back with another unforgettable character! Joke aside, I still couldn't believe how much I found this medical drama riveting. The first 2 eps are intriguing, but it's eps 3&4 that sealed the deal for me.

What I really love is the fact that essentially, it's people's stories. It's just that it happened to be in a medical field. Everyone has their own stories and problems and we can't simply labeled each person as good or bad. The drama itself started its great conflict with questioning how well the existed system works, and also why no one tried to make it better. It also bring unexpected spotlight to several social issues and challenge us to think why those things kept happening year after year. In short, I'm ready to dive deeper into this world.

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Hi @gadis. Thanks for the great mini review. Good news for us non-Korean speakers. The first four episodes of LIFE are now available with English subs here:
https://ondramanice.tv/drama/life-korean-drama-detail
I plan on catching up today.

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No one’s watching My ID is Gangnam Beauty????! ;(

okay.

#ILoveBothMainCharacters

#ILoveChaEunWoo

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I died in that scene when Kyung Suk asked Mirae if she thinks he cool. Like???? *gasssp* it’s like only her opinion matters. I’m dying.

He’s learning about her slowly day by day. He listens cuz he wants to understand her struggle. She realized her shortcoming and how she’s no different from people who judge her because of him. Like this just shows how they’ll be good for each other if right off the bat, they’re learning more about their selves and each other....

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I'm also really adoring the chemistry between the leads! That scene went from being such a healthy and refreshing make-up to some of the cutest flirting I've seen in awhile. He's definitely interested in Mi-rae even though he doesn't seem to know it yet! And I love how they are helping each other to grow in some really important ways.

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Absolutely! Omg, I watched the scene again. I can't get over it. TT_____TT He's obviously someone who doesn't care what people think of him, and is sick of people following him around cuz he's "cool" and all. But this dude just straight up asked Mirae if she finds him cool or annoying. OMG, I`m dying again.. Heeelp.

I can't wait for the day he calls her "Mirae-ya". I think it will sound so endearing to hear that from Kyungsuk. Right now, he calls her with full name, hope that changes very very soon!

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Let’s not even forget that scene where they ran into each other, acting awkwardly. Boy asked if she ate. Girl confusedly said Okay. Boy got confused too with her answer cuz he didn’t ask her out, but he recovered and gave a statement to end all the confusion: “Let’s go eat” ☺️☺️

Their love will honestly be genuine, you guys once they fall in love. He’s seen her before and after, but he doesn’t care cuz she’s beautiful on the inside and will know how much she deserves so much love....

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I was silently chanting “OTP...OTP” by the end of the lunch scene.

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this is so sweet scene. both are so nervous to each other but they really want to open the conversation. cupid was working here. lol.

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Its my favorite show right now. Totally love it. Its like I have met every single character somewhere down the line in my life. They are so real!
and MR's struggles - so real, so poignant and so painful.
And like @13infamyss said, KS asking her if she thinks he is cool or is he annoying was a gem of a scene!

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Yes they feel so real. And I can’t wait for them to grow as an individual and as a couple. Right now, all Mirae thinks about is what other people think. She’s so focused to be accepted that she had to keep up with what the standard is to be accepted. But Because of Kyungsuk, she will realize fitting in is not everything. I have the feeling, once they fall in love, her self esteem will go lower as she would keep comparing herself with others - like how can somebody “like Kyungsuk” fall for someone “like her”. I think it’s perfect that what everybody thinks as the hot guy falls for Mirae cuz it will show her looks don’t matter at all. She’s caught his attention and now he’s puzzled about her.

Same case with Kyung suk - at the moment, all he cares about is himself. He doesn’t care what he says and act to hurt others (in a way! He brushes everyone off and excludes himself). As Mirae told him, it’s a given that he will act cool cuz he’s popular. he doesn’t realize his popularity it’s a given. Being with Mirae will let him be more sensitive of others and be mindful of what he says. Doesn’t matter if he was right for telling Mirae that she’s ugly not because of her face, but for judging and grading other people, but there could have been a better way to say it and not hurt Mirae.

They honestly complete what each other lacks in their personality.

Anyways I’m just so obsessed with this drama and I only saw ep 3 so far lol. Hopefully it doesn’t disappoint to the very end!

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you got that right. maybe that's why i am hooked with the story. i mean i could practically see soo ah basically, well, in every women...hahaha...it is just good reminder for me everytime i feel envious and suddenly my fake personality just come out, i will tell my self, nope, i am not gonna be that bitch soo ah.
my fav part was when KS nonchalantly sat next to MR, and she said something that implying KS did that because of her, then KS got back at her with his cold attitude, like basically saying that she was full of herself. girl, i just sat in chair, don't be so overly self-conscious about it. lol.
and also that part, when KS told her how he dislike people who don't keep their promise. at that time, i thought MR would leaving with feeling hurtful, but no. she did the great come back with 'and i hate people who vent their angers to others'. served you right, KS.
you go girl! MR has jumped into one of my fav girls character in dramaland. and do not forget that scene with the bag and creepy senior. hit it, MR, hit it...

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Yes, I loved Mi-rae's comeback. So many male leads have needed to hear this over the years and Mi-rae finally said it! Despite being meek in some situations, when she feels strongly about something she doesn't pull her punches. I was a bit like this growing up so I really connect with her in this way.

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Yes, and for all drama male leads here is a woman who finally said 'don't grab my arms'! I cheered!
She is meek is social situations because she fears bullying and public rejection. But she seems to be more herself when there are a fewer people.

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I’m falling HARD for Cha Eun Woo!! His gazes are a sight to behold...

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The moment he came on the screen at the orientation desk, I was swooned. When he opened his mouth to talk, I melted. When he gave those long stares at Im Soo Hyang, I died. I don't think I`ll live to see the day he stares at her with love if this continues. This Cha Eun Woo bug keeps spreading....

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The only drama i'm enjoying currently is Gangnam Beauty , much better than expected and cha Eun woo oh my!!! no words for him, he has a kind of looks the he is handsome and beautiful at the same time and the gaze of his eyes really kills. And i got really confused what kind of girl soo ah is, i mean what she actually wants, i think she is attention seeker type of personality anyway our kyung seok knows her true face so she can't fool him and that's all i want. Lol

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Soo Ah is annoying as heck but I actually like where the story is going. The contrast between Mirae and Soo Ah - the one with fake face but very real personality and the one with real face but fake personality. She’s beautiful on the inside, but she had to fake the life she’s living? People think she comes off from a well off family, living in a high rise building. When she is otherwise. I bet the only good thing about her is her “natural beauty”. She’s miserable inside, it’s eating her up that the only she has (everyone’s attention) is being slowly taken away from her by Mirae. Whereas Mirae is very much real with her emotions - she shares her insecurities with people, she tries to stand up for herself even though people keep putting her down. She might back down due to low self esteem but she keeps fighting for her right to be loved and accepted.

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Yes. I noticed at the dancing scene (I was SO HAPPY when she came out of her shell and danced with all her heart! Loved that scene!) But I noticed how Soo Ah and Ji Hyo were looking at her. Like...wow...she's this plastic beauty and dancing like that, getting all the attention. They're impression of her is probably that she's vain and attention seeking, which would make sense at first glance, but it is SO not the case! Love Mi Rae!

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True. The writers have drawn and nice contrast between the 2 characters. You can be insecure even with the best looks (according to society).
I think Soo-Ah is very aware of her beauty and uses it as a weapon. And that is the only strength she has - she doesn't seem to come from a caring family, is not rich, nor has any talents. While Mirae is excellent in her studies, has a loving family, understanding mother, a good friend and she is an excellent dancer.
Now MR has gone and fixed the one thing she s lacking - beauty. Now according to SA it seems extremely unfair. Its unfair that someone who has it all could also buy the beauty she was naturally born with leaving her at a disadvantage.
from the beginning she has been fishing for compliments (her intro was - you all look better than the pics) and seeking attention.
And her obsession with getting Cha Eun seems to be premeditated. I have a feeling she has researched everyone and figured Cha is the perfect catch - good looking, has money, comes from a family of power - he has everything she is lacking. This is a great chance for her to move up the social ladder. With him being drawn to Mirae must be eating her - so her hatred for MR is only gotten worse.

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Can I join this party? I am so into this drama right now and wanted to chat about it! My feelings are down in comment #39.

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Replied! :)

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sure!! the more the merrier!

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ME! quite surprise dramabeans leave out this drama on recap
the acting is not top class i admit, but the plot, the dialogue, and the character development so far balancing it out.
*i laugh out loud when MR do the aegyo, even more when her friend falls from embarrassment.

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I know :( It would have been great to have a recap of this drama, especially while the adrenaline is so up there to talk and spazz about the latest episodes. Oh wells, I guess this space will do for now.

GASP, you're talking about ep 4! just finished watching it. and she's sooo cute. I cringed so much too, but she was so happy about doing it for the first time, so I guess I`ll be fine with it. And at the end tho, spazz on Kyungsuk's muscle movements on the corner of his mouth. LOL. He's done it twice in this episode. I can't.

And that preview! How can they show that preview knowing I`d have to wait until next Friday to see that??? T___T

Acting is def not A+ but like you said, as long as I have a story and character development to follow, I`m game. And that chemistry between the leads is just legit shooting through the roof. sigh here goes re-watching scenes again until Friday.

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ikr. i like to talk about my fav show, esp. after it is aired.
anyway, i read the manhwa after 2 episodes and i am surprise KS is well played. honestly, i don't find the actor doing that great in acting, but somehow his impression is right. even the young KS also played it well (at first, i thought those two were the same person. that's how bad for me when it comes to face-recognition, lol). if i need to describe KS, i wouldn't choose the word 'cool'. he's more like sarcastic and bitter type of person. that's why he can see through Soo Ah fakeness immediately. he also the type of person who self-absorbed with his own problem and seems disconnecting with other people problem, that's why he didn't really notice that people 'adore' him (or give a shit on that matter).
i also like how MR told the middle school story of KS.."there's so many KS version, but the most famous one probably 'the rain KS'". I laugh at that part. i dunno, it is just so funny because he's probably doing it out of being dramatic/over sensitive of his mother thing instead of trying being cool, but somehow people kept seeing it as "oh my god, coolness overload". lol.

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Even acting - I think I warmed upto it. Initially i thought the actors were bad, but now i see the awkward acting as an advantage - they do look like immature college freshers.

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I watch Gangnam Beauty. Still have to see ep4 though. But I adore the main couple. 😊

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It is my current crack. I haven't re-watched episodes waiting for the next like this in a while. Great show. I even bought "Mr Chu" on iTunes. Ha.

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@mary advice you to stop right there. The rest of the show is not good for your health. Your heart will get broken three more times and none are better than the last. Produce is a show that will cause major upsets and dramas.

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I second this. Produce series (Mnet's editing, the rules, and the rankings) never failed to disappoint me and the only reason I'm still watching it is because the trainees caught my heart. My heart broke last night when I watched episode 9 since my fave is now at the bottom of the rankings due to lack of screentime and the lower ranked trainees who performed well on the show (I'm going to miss the Instruction team members) also got eliminated. Mnet knows I'll still watch their show but not like this.

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It's horrible! I feel bad for some girls who were selfless and good leaders, teaching the un-confident girls (who are still popular votings-wise!) how to dance or sing properly... and then voting arrives and the leader gets no credit at all. :(

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Maybe you should wait til the show end then watch the rest. One thing for sure the final group will be full of surprises and upsets. You gonna spend months upset about it. There are still many havent even move on from last seasons result. Produce is effect you more than any drama you ever watch.

Yesterday seem like mnet back to their evil self again. All the eliminated girls didnt have a chance for screen time.

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Gosh I want to skip it then. Hopefully something happens to distract me (like Life finally having subs on Netflix?)

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I haven’t watched any of the Produces but I accidentally watched the Unit and was similarly heartbroken.

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I've been watching Produce 48 too. I didn't end up catching this week's episode because I don't think I can handle another elimination round. The girls are all so talented.

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Life On Mars: I really appreciate the layers of mystery in this show. They aren’t going for the most obvious solution and instead keep surprising us. I feel like that’s the hallmark of a really good mystery. I really loved the team bonding of the last two episodes and was quite crushed when everything blacked out and Tae Joo woke up.
I mean, on one hand I’m glad he woke up but on the other hand, the other team members were waiting for him, counting on him and he was running towards them because he chose to believe what he say! It kind of felt symbolic in the way they were going down one by one, Tae Joo was also exiting the world of 1988. I’m really invested in knowing what happens next and if 1988 was an alternate timeline or a figment of Tae Joo’s imagination or if he actually travelled there!

Basically, I cannot wait for this week's episodes but I'm also dreading them because I don't want the drama to end! ;____;

Your House Helper: I’m watching in bits and pieces and I think I will now be able to devote more time to this one since LOM will be ending. I really appreciate the friendships in this show and I am even more pumped to see Da Young have a bond with her mentor. Also, could the dorky lawyer be any cuter? He tries so hard, bless.

I also appreciate Ji Woon being a gruff fairy godmother but I also can’t helper wonder if the reason he fixes things for others is because he was not able to help someone or because it’s easier to fix someone else problems because there’s no emotional investment in it, per say. I want to know more about his own backstory. (I’m only at ep 5(10 according to the half episodes) and quite possibly we will learn more about him!)

Thirty but 17: I love Shin Hye Sun so I tried watching it. It was okay enough and the first two episodes had some genuinely funny moments but I don’t think I’m interested enough to continue. I’ll give it one more try over the week but honestly, the chances of me continuing to watch are weak.

Pst, people who are watching Your Honor, is it any good? I'm kind of interested but I also need to know if there's a lot of sexual violence cause I caught a glimpse of one scene which was enough to turn my stomach

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Hi @pipette. I suggest you give YOUR HONOR a chance.
The second week's four episodes were much better than the initial four. I am a Yoon Shi-yoon fan but I am not the only one that was concerned after viewing the first episodes. Setting up several plot lines including, sexual assault, sexual harassment,
corruption, combined with maybe YSY going over the top at times portraying twin brothers was what shall I say, a bit much.
Things settled down in more ways than one in last week's episodes. YSY does have some very funny moments also. I am staying with it and so far the viewing public in South Korea seems to be also. Here are the ratings for the first two weeks:
http://inkinews.com/your-honor/

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Thanks @marcusnyc20 ! I shall give the drama a shot! :)

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Great. I am hoping a place can be found where those of us watching YOUR HONOR can comment and discuss it.

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@marcusnyc20 Bong-soo,
cc: @frabbycrabsis, @katakwasabi, @pakalanapikake, @pipette, @stranger Wise

I took a gander for a possible discussion / pseudo-recap site and found this news article on YOUR HONOR:
http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/07/yoon-shi-yoon-holds-the-scales-of-justice-in-sbss-your-honor/

It is similar to the news report on GRAND PRINCE where we convened to discuss YSY's recent sageuk.

How does it look to you? It's not the Premiere Watch for 6 new dramas, so it's targeted to the show. Anyone searching for the drama would actually find it because it's tagged as such. What's not to love?

I hope this helps. ;-)

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Continuing the Beanie trend.

Can't believe Life on Mars is coming to an end. It was my Mr Sunshine at the start and end of every week. I guess I need to get myself a Life. First things first, My ID is Gangnam Beauty.

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*claps*

I want to start My ID is Gangnam Beauty today.
Because I have no life and am watching a lot of variety clips, many with Shinee, I am now reading that title and hearing it in my head as "My name is Min ho " voice.

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EVERYONE needs to hear "My name is Minho" everywhere. It's the most epic line in hip hop.

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I have not delved into their music yet, but I have been listening to a podcast called Ask Me About Kpop. Because they are such fans a whole ep is about Shinee which is where I first heard it.
But then following a dancing Taemin to YouTube I kept stumbling into clips. Honestly it's just, well, adorable, especially with the lisp.

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It sounds like the K-pop equivalent of

It's Britney, bitch ?

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Dibidibidis my name is Minho will never die... It's hilariously horrible ha.

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Lol Shawols all over keep watching and tv hosts keep reminding minho of his forbidden video jajaja

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ONGOING

Thirty But Seventeen: I’m loving this drama. The acting is quite good, for the main characters at least. I consider Chan a main character. How could he not be? He’s the life of this drama at the moment. I hope that he doesn’t develop any romantic feelings for Seo-ri. That would kill the awesome uncle nephew relationship which is pure love at this point. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, Yang Se-jong is an amazing actor. He is able to emote so well.

Yang Se-jong is killing it as Woo-jin. Ahn Hyo-sub is killing it as Chan. Shin Hye-sun is killing it as Seo-ri. Hyeong Tae needs to keep spinning around in circles until the end of the drama.

The Wife I Know: I knew nothing about this drama going in. While watching episode one, I fell in love. I thought it was going to be a slice of life kinda thing. They portrayed the mundane everyday life of the couple so well. Then they did the time travel crap and I got pissed. It’s rare to see depictions of a young family like this in K-drama land. I think the description of it on DB said that it’s supposed to be sufficiently different from Go Back Couple in that much of it takes place in an alternate present. Now that I’ve calmed down from episode one, I’ll check out episode two later today.

Meteor Garden (2018): Dao Ming Si, the love of my life, the apple of my eye. This drama is really really weird. I used to think of it as a really good bad drama--a guilty pleasure. I honestly think it’s more a really good drama with some bad aspects. There is a relatability there that you don’t often see in other dramas and it’s hard to describe. For eg. Shan Cai’s initial reaction to Ah Si’s confession and pursuit of her felt real to me. What is wrong with this crazy idiot, right? How long it took for her to come around also felt real. The way how the rest of F4 talks to Ah Si. The way how Ah Si rationalizes things sometimes. The way Ah Si interacts with Shan Cai. Sure, the makjang kills things sometimes, but I really do love this drama. Maybe I’ve finally gone crazy. Oh, my one other issue recently is the way they’re trying to flesh out the other F4 member storylines. The way it’s being done feel really disconnected from the story. Regardless, I’m having fun.

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She just tweeted. It's been fun reading them!

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Hmmm...I guess I should follow her then...

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And...you were This close to dropping MG! Maybe Kimbapnoona's prayer does help! 😂

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@kimbapnoona is the miracle worker!

Yeah, I like the drama but it has a good bit of annoying. Some of the things that I said were realistic are annoying. So I guess I've come to terms with the annoying. I just want to see more of the cute. I need more of the cute. I must have more of the cute--before things go to hell again.

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I dropped MG. I could not stand Sonic the Hedgehog and the show didn't feel fresh to me.

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You summed up my feelings on MG so well... It's hard to describe but it's just so... something. haha

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So I spent most of my kdrama time allocation this week watching Life on Mars and I’m waiting for ep 15 with eng subs to come out. I started last watching this last week.

Other than that, I watched Let’s Eat 3 and Your House Helper this week. I didn’t have the time yet to watch this week’s 30 but 17 and I’m way behind schedule for Are You Human Too, haven’t watched this drama for the past two weeks.

From my watching pattern, I see that my taste has changed a lot. I’m enjoying slice-of-life drama and crime drama at the moment.

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30 But 17: Solid watch and Shin Hye Sun is not going over the top with the 17-year-old stuff imo.

ID is Gangham: I expected nothing from this drama but have ended up liking it for examining this issue. I am not familiar with the source material, but I hope when (and if) we see the young version of the character we find she is your average everyday girl. I think the show is going to examine the guy being liked for his looks and how that isn't always roses and sunshine either.

Meteor Garden: Bland

What's Wrong With Sec Kim: No love triangle, no psycho 2nd female lead, no boring company politics, no disapproving parents, no noble idiocy. Would have been even better without the childhood connection with the guy dealing with the kidnapping that didn't involve her and the gal finding out what she really wanted to do with her life. That important storyline, unfortunately, got dropped for the most part. I see why people thought it lacked a little oomph but it gets love from me for the reasons listed and because it stayed true to being a rom/com instead of going into the melo and I liked all the couples and the bromance. This drama was a frothy dessert with more limited substance so it did lack the emotional oomph of other dramas like the romance in Greatest Love had....but then I had to sit through a long drawn out love triangle so there's no getting everything.

I started Fu Yao and got about 10 episodes in and realized I was liking it a lot but just didn't have it in me to take on a 50 plus episode historical C-drama. I'm definitely coming back to watch though.

Legend of The Blue Sea: So I didn't watch this when it aired. I know many thought it didn't live up to the hype but the hype has dissipated and I expect a middle of the road but overlong drama and am willing to give it a go with those expectations.

Witch's Something or other: I don't know. Anyone else try it? It's the three witches running a restaurant drama. I watched one episode and am waiting for further word before continuing.

Are You Human Too: Solid watch but I am ready for it to conclude.

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I heard parts of the Legend of the Blue Sea OST this week and was reminded of how lovely the music was and how I think it got shortchanged by too much comparing to My Love from The Star. I really liked it!

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I never ended up picking up Legend of the Blue Sea, but I've played its OST a lot. Great music. My favorite track is Sejeong's "If Only".

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My Wife and I loved Legend of the Blue Sea. It was well done. Also, the female lead is, hands down, the most beautiful mermaid ever.

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I also really liked Legend of the Blue Sea! I wasn't expecting much going into it, but the cast and the melancholy but heartwarming storyline really made it into a special little drama that was very enjoyable.

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I've been watching Legend of Fuyao, but I have to tell you it's getting quite crappy towards the end.
Maybe before that I was watching Sweet Dreams and it had crappy ending.
So kinda pissed off with china dramas for now.
Still going to finish Fuyao since I only have tonight's finale 2 episodes to go. But I think I'm going to take a break from china dramas from a while and going back to korean dramas for now.
Especially since I'm smittened with 30 but 17 and My ID is Gangnam Beauty now.

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I liked what's wrong with secretary kim for the same reasons as you too :)
It did itself credit for being a rom com with no silly noble idiocy :)

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The Wife I Know: The characters aren't especially likeable, especially Ji Sung's, but man, I feel like I know these people. I liked both episodes but especially the twist at the end of Ep. 2. Excited to see where it goes from there.

My ID Is Gangnam Beauty: It can be frustrating to watch Mi Rae and her struggles, but I like her. Soo Ah is the worst and there don't need to be so many flashbacks of scenes that just happened.

Thirty But Seventeen: Just not feeling it. I think the premise of a person waking up after 13 years in a coma and having to adjust to life is an interesting one; Can somebody make that drama as a non rom-com?

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4 episodes in and I wish Thirty But Seventeen wasn't a romcom. This show has the potential to bring together people who have been alone for the past 13 years and give them the taste of what it means to be a family. Dammit I really want this to be a found family drama.

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Finishing up: LIFE ON MARS, ARE YOU HUMAN. Glad they're almost over as I'm getting bored.
To be honest, I've tried all the new kdramas that came out and (my personal taste and opinion and the mood I'm in only) and they're all either boring, dumb or the actors aren't right for the roles. Sorry, folks.
But maybe it's because I'm still obsession over:
LEGEND OF FUYAO: Gawd, I love and adore the love story! She's such a warrior but still feminine and if you like your men manly, wow, Ethan Ruan. And they're actually together as a loving couple before the end. I'd rename the drama "The Journey of Fuyao and Wuji".
Re-watching from the beginning: MR SUNSHINE. Because I went into it with a pre-prejudice of "I'm not going to like this at all" which colored my view. Usually a drama will not win me over at that point, but this one did. I'm re watching from the beginning because I want to give Dong mae a chance as he's loved by so many fans. But also, I've noticed the camera work doesn't usually have Eugene and Ae shin in the same frame and they're shoulder shots, which makes it hard to capture eye contact well. But the few scenes I'm watching Dong mae are head shots, much more intimate, and the one scene in the latest episode of him and Ae shin they're in the same frame and close together. Quite interesting and strange.

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It starts out as an ordinary C drama until you realize it's kind of poking fun at the tropes and the genre. Then it really takes off in ep 21 (just watch the first 12 minutes of ep 21 and you're hooked!). It just gets better and better. I have to admit I ff some parts just for the Fuyao/Wuji scenes and then go back later for the other parts of the story. Good luck! I hope you enjoy.

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Have you seen the latest episode of FuYao? I was so happy when cray cray number one (obsessed FuYao rival) died but now cray cray number two (WuJi’s ex fiancee) reappeared and brought with her cray cray number three queen mother. Goodness! Two cray crays in the final stretch of the drama, all because of one sided love.

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@giegie0384—you crack me up. I just caught up with Ep. 49-56 this afternoon and had to laugh when the cray cray started. This week was wrenching blend of sexy times, horror and a lot of crazy. Ten episodes to go! That means we have to endure another weekend cliffhanger next week.

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I ff’ed all of cray cray Mother and daughter scenes and just watched Wuji-Fuyao scenes. :D
I’m not prepared to let Wuji-FuYao go yet but I’m excited for next week’s episodes.

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Me too! I'm only up to ep 55 but I'm savoring every moment and watching slowly because I don't want to catch up. How do we let people know that Fuyao is the greatest female character ever? And this is the greatest love story ever? As a friend said, this drama had better have a happy ending!

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I'm only on episode 25 as i just picked this up recently. I'm straining to catch up. Trying so hard not to watch on my phone at work. Why is life so difficult!?!

I think spreading the love in the comments will help others realize the error of their ways if they're not watching already.

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That's what I make an effort to do - spread the word! Best female character ever. Best love story! "Journey of Fuyao and Wuji" is a great title too.
@tsutsuloo her fan wall is about Fuyao.

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Life on Mars- I want TJ to solve the mystery and live happily with his actual and 'found' family. Am I asking for too much?
your house helper- I'm really liking the slow pace of this drama. All the girls are endearing. JW is such an underrated hero I think. This week gave us so much food for thought. I really hope DY's supervisor has the chance to fight back and come back stronger than before, possibly at a higher post so that she's in a position to not let this injustices happen to other people.
let's eat 3- I haven't watched the previous seasons but I'm really liking this one. I had expected to see food porn, but the story this season blends very nicely with the food scenes. I would like to see the gang in the present and also how DY and JW positively affect each other.
WWWSK- I'm watching the last 2 episodes. The plot was nonexistent, but I enjoyed the side characters.
30 but 17- I watched the first 2 episodes. It still hasn't drawn me in, but I don't want to drop another YSJ drama. So will give it another try.
Really want to try some new dramas so that I don't end in a slump. Hopefully I'll find something that catches my interest.

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I agree with you about Ms An in Your Househelper- I am hoping that the action in episode 20 laid the groundwork for her comeback- or at least started to.

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Watching Life On Mars 😍😍😍

On hold - Mr Sunshine, Your House Helper

Body & mind snatched by 🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍

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I want to give you 1000+ upvotes on the pineapples!! 🍍🍍🍍🍍

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Same! Haha I love those pineapples!

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Cinderella still holds her charm. Its just that there are no nice price in this modern world.

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We're losing so many to pineapple mania.

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What am I watching? All the dramas! Everything!
ZOMG, there’s so much content around. That’s impossible. But with the flu keeping me home, I gave it my all.

I continue to watch Are You Human Too as it wraps up. There’s little I can say at this stage that wouldn’t cause a storm of controversy in what has become a polarising show so I’ll move on to
Thirty But Seventeen where I remain ON THE FENCE. If you’d like to join me and other enthusiastic snack-putting Beanies in our Elevated Border Community, look for the sign that says F.I.N.S.E and come on up. We have quite the menagerie up here as well some lovely topiaries, all in inconveniently sunny places. Cow hunting is a desirable trait but not necessary. Beware the dark void of Drama Slump on the other side. That looks nasty.

This week I picked up:
Your Honour - not the body-switching doppelgänger fun I was hoping for. Not entirely sure what the writers are going for, frankly. Everyone but the female lead is so damn unlikeable and the portrayal of sexual harassment, rape, torture and general violence makes it strangely dark. And yet the male lead is swanning around with the worst OTT gangsta routine I’ve ever seen. I’ll stick it out for a few more episodes to see.
Risky Romance - Trash, Utter trash. I couldn’t stop watching. Why aren’t there more episodes?
Time Made it through half an episode but do intend to go back. It just didn’t grip me.
Your House Helper Hallmark pleasant one minute and painfully tone deaf the next, this show is either the nicest thing on television or The Stalker’s Guide to Winning the Girl Through Uncomfortable Levels of Persistence. Had the most-deserved punch in kdrama history and @vivanesca I don’t even want to hear it (I’m kidding, ♥ ♥ ♥).
What’s With Secretary Kim? You guys weren’t joking when you said this had no plot. This is a movie script dragged out to 16 hours. The Parks are amazing but nothing’s happening except the usual man-child breakdown. Got to end of ep3, will continue.

Dropped:
I tried the hard drive approach to picking dramas and started A Beautiful Mind. It bored me to tears and I don’t care if I risk the wrath of the Jang Hyuk fangirls to say it.
Sweet Dreams - The only drama I dropped as quickly was Birth of a Beauty where I lasted a similarly-long 5 minutes. In this case, the awful female lead and her dubbed sobbing did me in quick.
My ID is Gangnam Beauty About the point that Edward Cullen wandered in was when I realised I was not this show’s demographic. Better than I thought it would be but I’m not rushing back for more.

Finished:
Live Up To Your Name, Dr Heo - I’m not going to touch on my issues with the medicine depicted in this drama. I have a comment on my fan wall for those who are interested. But apart from that nonsense, this show was excellent and the OTP was amazing. One of the best...

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Instant Top 5 Couple.
School 2015 - Ridiculous. I don’t even have words for it at this stage. The second male lead syndrome rivals a Jisoo drama. The plot is insane. Kim So-hyun really is an amazing young actor. She deserved better.

Final thoughts:
I need a life

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"The second male lead syndrome rivals a Jisoo drama." I should use that line one day. Thanks for making me laugh :D

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Well I for one want to hear your controversial thoughts on RUHuman. Write on my fan wall if you have to. I also had some controversial thoughts...
I can't remember who ruined several kdramas for me with the post on females being infantalized, but if it was you, thanks a lot...(just kidding). I loved Love Me If You Dare but when I tried to watch it again I realized she's just there for exposition by the males. That happens a lot. Mr Sunshine, though she seems like such a great character for a female, she's actually on there to serve as a catalyst for the males to join the righteous army. What do you think?
The only real hero (heroine) who works with her love as a team is Fuyao.

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Yes it was me. Sorry #notsorry.
I haven't seen Love Me If You Dare and I'm not watching Mr Sunshine. But it is very common for the female character to simply be a prop for the male's character development - even when she's supposed to be the main character.

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Name me some dramas where this isn't so. I don't like the other extreme either, where the female has to be so tough she has to act like a man.

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The only drama I remember where this does not happen is Pretty noona (because there was no character development at all.) But I think if you watch it without the expectation of character development and end the show like 20 min before the end. It could be an awesome drama telling you a story of a woman's failed attempt at romance. And she is no prop to anyone.

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Because she had wrong ideas in mind. I think from this point of view the soundtrack can be very apt to it. It was her idea of the romance but it was not what she could in the end live with. Maybe I can now actually watch this drama.

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I almost can't. As soon as romance is involved, things happen. Cultural things. But if we aren't restricted to romantic ones:

I'm Not A Robot, mostly. The female lead's character development was as important as the man's and it had a number of strong, 3D second female leads

Witch's Romance is very much the female lead's story and Park Seo-joon is always amazing. But the writing and pacing isn't that great.

I Can Hear Your Voice is technically Lee Jong-suk's story but in reality it's Lee Bo-young's character who gets the most development. LJS almost becomes a cipher for the female lead's development, rather than the other way around.

Greasy Melo, the female lead's development is as important as the male's. Still Poong's story though.

Live Up To Your Name, Dr Heo is very much a romance of equals even though the male's plotline is put ahead of the woman's. Still, she has her own arc and her own development right to the very end.

SWDBS - I feel nervous recommending this schizophrenic drama but Bong-soon's development is more prominent then the male lead's and the OTP is great.

It's a classic and one of the most kdramas to ever kdrama but My Love From The Star is entirely the female lead's story. Her arc, her development and her life are more important than the male lead's. I still have a soft spot for it despite multiple other problems.

I'm sure there's more - and I'm sure I could end up in an argument with people who don't agree with certain ones I've listed.

@rket593 is right about Pretty Noona and I personally think it's one of the best-written dramas I've seen. But I found that extremely depressing and frustrating and wouldn't recommend it to anybody.

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@leetennant: I must be really picky and/or we don't quite have the same tastes. I hesitate to admit I watch dramas for whoever the lead actor is instead of the story. If the female has a good part it's a bonus.
I'm not a robot, witches romance I didn't watch, wasn't interested in the lead. Can you hear my voice I do NOT like the lead actor, in fact it was only a couple of weeks ago I tried it again but meh. Greasy Melo I only watched for Jiho, it was his story which was fine with me. Live up to your name I didn't really watch in depth, I remember I got annoyed with one of them (can't remember if it was him or her). SWDBS??? I'm really bad at abbreviations. I couldn't stand My love from the star, the female lead drove me nuts and I know she's really popular. Pretty Noona I could only stand about 5 minutes. Disappointing because I like the female actress. Wow, did I say I was picky? Now I'm going off to figure out which dramas I liked and why and will give you a list. This might be challenging if I'm going to list good lead female stories. My favorite is when both male and females have equal strengths and help each other. Right now it's definitely Legend of Fuyao, though you wouldn't know how strong she is from the first 10 episodes. Seems like he has to keep rescuing her at first.

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@linda-palapala
We do have different tastes in dramas but I also struggled a lot. When I looked at my Top 10 list almost none met this criteria. Even when the female lead is awesome, her arc was not more important than the male characters or the plot (in some cases).

In the cases she was (Mother, Angry Mum) that's because there was no romantic male lead and because the show was about motherhood.

My Top 5
My Ahjussi
Forest of Secrets (Stranger)
I'’m Not a Robot
Circle
W: Two Worlds

Next five to make my Top 10
Angry Mum
Mother
Coffee Prince
Secret Love Affair
Chicago Typewriter

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And how about:
Arang and the Magistrate
Twenty Again
Oh My Ghostess
Dalja's Spring
Baby-faced Beauty
City Hall
Hogu's Love (I haven't watched it, but from what I've read/heard, seems to fit...)

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I can recommend Secret Love Affair. That's a work of art. But it's also about infidelity and some people don't want to watch that.

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@asianromance Totally second Twenty Again and Dal-ja's Spring for dramas where the focus stays on the female lead and her development the whole way through!

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@leetennant @ar @mindy: Here's my partial list. I don't choose a drama because of a strong female lead only, but because I like both leads and what they have to offer each other, if I like the female and if their part is interesting. I had to be careful to NOT choose females that were either infantilized or a Mary Sue. Here goes:
MAIDS - the first drama I ever watched and it was really about her journey. Oh Ji ho was just along for the ride. Great first experience though I know it apparently wasn't that popular.
JUST BETWEEN LOVERS: The story was equally about both of their journeys recovering from a past tragedy and PTSD. Though she really was the strong one.
BECAUSE THIS LIFE IS MY FIRST: It was interesting because Ji-ho's character (the female), fans thought she was supposed to be a Mary Sue and were shocked and disappointed she left him at one point. How selfish, how cruel. I always knew she was a bit crazy and her selfishness was really self preservation, which apparently is not cool if you're a female.
INNOCENT MAN: My favorite female is the actress Park Sae-yeon (Jae hee). Though she was the "evil" woman her character was really quite complicated and interesting. Moon Chae Won, the lead, was supposed to be a real bitch but I didn't think the actress pulled it off very well. Her brain injury after a car accident (suicide attempt?) left her infantilized, but when he suffered an aneurism and lost his memory, it made them "innocent" once again (ha!). Perfect ending.
WHISPER: Many people complained this was full of tropes, but all stories are made up of tropes. She was a former cop who blackmailed the lead into helping her find her father's murderer. She was the strong one and certainly not a Mary Sue or infant...
STORY OF A MAN: Though his story, again, Park Sae yeon's character was the most interesting. She really did fall in love with the "bad" guy. Interesting, the bad guy's sister was both a Mary Sue and infantilized (but she dies).
BAD GUY: So many females, so many possibilities. All of them were interesting characters. The ending was ruined by the military calling Kim Nam gil into service and not letting him finish filming the drama so they had to improvise and cut it short.

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Hmm, reading thru my list I realized my preference seems to be females who can play interesting, complicated characters. They don't necessarily have to be the lead.

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Just Between Lovers and Because This Life is Our First are 💖! I think my adoration for both shows and their respective lead female and male characters and actors is well known, hehe. I haven’t seen the others on your list. I’ll have to check them out!

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You've probably watched them but...

Healer. Always Healer, lol.

My Name Is Kim Sam Soon. This I started because a rec of Java Beans and Girl Friday, but also because of Hyun Bin. You may not like his character but it is definitely Sam Soin's story.

Oh, and agree with Coffee Prince. I liked both leads so much. May have started a slight Gong Yoo obsession.

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@bcampbell1662
I absolutely love Healer. It's not the best drama but it's one of my favourites despite that. I've rewatched it several times and I love so much about it.

The reason it didn't make this list was because it did what a lot of kdramas do with their female characters - it damselled and then pushed her to the side in the final episodes so that she could propel the male lead's story forward. So while she was an amazing female character, in the end she just became something for the male lead to protect and/or potentially lose.

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Well Gawrsh. I didn't like any of the below. Healer - no. I especially don't like that female lead in anything she's done. She's too chirpy and a Mary Sue.
And I simply could not see why anyone liked Coffee Prince. While I like Gong Yoo's movies, I didn't like the plot of him supposedly liking what he thought was a guy but it turned out (whew) it was really a girl. So the message was boys can't really like boys.

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@leetennant Had to find this post to reply to you for two reasons. One, Legend of Fuyao - the best female character ever! And one that might fit all your criteria for a good female character. Though you might not realize from the first few episodes that that's the case, and there are still a few episodes to the end. But I don't think her character will revert to the helpless female. What I really like is they also have a great love story and partnership. And she isn't being used for exposition. She saves him just as many times as he saves her.
Two: Since you don't watch Mr Sunshine - I thought of you while watching the 10th episode because it looks to me like Eugene is going to be the real hero, not Ae shin. The writer is beginning to showcase him more, even going as far as listing all his heroic deeds to Ae shin, which made her look like a little kid playing with guns. I have a feeling this will turn into what you describe as the helpless female in the end. I don't really care who ends up with who, I'm watching for the historical events. Though the pace is excruciatingly slow.

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Love me if you dare: I agree with you, I actually dropped it at some point of time because it was just too nonsensical past find me story and blah. Also I did not like the male lead character.

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But he was the one I liked! Maybe because I had a boyfriend who was very much like that.

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I haven't been reading the AYHT recaps but surprised it's polarising. It's just been a fun drama for me. I've already decided that Poem For A Day dude should run the company.

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I'm glad you liked Live Up To Your Name Dr Heo, even if you had to close your eyes on some nonsense. And I'm more than glad that you seem to love the OTP as much as I do!

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LMAO "About the point that Edward Cullen wandered in..." 😂

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ChinguMode says Please Call Me Jennifer, your ID references new shows but you are everywhere I am on DB lately and you have so many great things to say! Did you recently join the beanies?!

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Oh, thanks! And yes I did join recently, mostly. I was lurking for a while and even had an account but I got really active during I'm Not a Robot and kept going. I have been on the site far more than usual lately because I haven't been well.

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Hope you feel better! I remember the ChinguMode ID from before, perhaps that was you!(?)

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That was me. I just started adding a few extra things for fun.

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I just "checked you out" and see you have 2,332 comments and 7,746 likes...guess you're just tweaking your name here and there! :D

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- Completed -

Jugglers: Nam Chi Woo is my ideal type. Where can I find a dork who loves mangas, takes notes from them and looks sexy with glasses on ?

Koe Girl: It was cute and feel good drama about voice actresses. Nothing heavy but really lovely.

Miss Hammurabi: Except the overdramatic crying emotional scenes at the end of episodes, I enjoyed it a lot. Oh Reum is an idealist and I still think she doesn't suit to be a judge but it was great to see her interact with Ba Reun who has another vision of justice.

The Most Beautiful Goodbye (2018): I expected it to have more insight from the mother who has cancer instead of the father. It felt like she was there – or her sickness was there – to provoke a reaction to the family when it should've been more about her own thoughts. It's still a really good 4 episodes drama and I will watch the original someday too.

Wok of Love: I feel like the ending was rushed. Like... that's it ? Really ? Still, I love my lovely trio and especially Mr. Gangster with a heart of gold.

- Currently watching -

Andante: ep 5. I wanted to watch it because of the trailer showing a strange place with graves and so on. Well, I still don't know where the story is taking me but it sure has a strong bond with death.

Are You Human Too: ep 13-14. I can't grasp Grandpa. Is he that evil ? I feel like everyone around RoboShin is evil. Aside of So Bong.

Let's Eat 3: ep 6. I'm a sucker for films and dramas about reminiscing the past because it has that nostalgic feels that makes one feel good and regretful at the same time. I love this show so far, even though there's “emotional constipation”.

Life on Mars: ep 10. I'm glad to be behind because I can't stand the suspens. Yoon Na Young is still awesome !

What's Wrong With Secretary Kim: ep 9. I can't find the energy to press the play button.. maybe put it on hold ?

-On hold -

My Ahjusshi and Shall We Live Together
Does anyone know where I can watch the last episodes of Hana Nochi Hare: HanaDan Next Season subbed ?

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*whispering* are you gonna watch that ghost detective show Daniel Choi and Park Eun-bin will star in soon?

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Of course I can't miss this pairing :D

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hana nochi hare last episode with eng sub seems doesn't exist. my last eng sub only eps 9.

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Yeah I'm also stuck on ep 9 :( I guess I'll watch it raw.

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How can you leave My Ajusshi on hold????? 😱😱😱😱
You are missing out the best drama of this year! 😂

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I'm binge watching everything because I had no Internet connexion this pst month. I'm keeping the best one as last :)

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Ahhh LOL. I have my Ajusshi downloaded. But I have no time to re watch... Maybe later on, in the winter again. Right know in the summer I need to go out! 😊

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Wok of Love (AKA Greasy Melo) was a mess. The three main characters were great- and that was what sustained it. It had an episode chopped due to the World Cup, but in fact that was not really the problem. The truth is that it left too many things hanging. I have not been so disappointed in a writer since the creator of the wonderful 'Marriage, not Dating' then proceeded to give us 'Shy Boss'.

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I agree with you. Side characters of WoL could've been better written and their storyline better handle. It's a shame because it has a great cast.

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Life on Mars - I like this show too much that I can't even type it in words. Highlight: When the criminal brought along the gas tank because his hand were cuffed to it. I can't with this show XD

Your House Helper ep 17-20 - Feel like I need to take chill pill if Dayoung got more obstacles in upcoming episodes. I know she's a bit meek but that's her personality but she's kind and that what makes her wonderful. What do you expect when she's just an intern in her early twenties, and surrounded with unhelpful jealous shallow co-workers? Also kudos to that cleaner ahjumma, not all heroes wear capes.

I'm frustrated that An Sajang resigned while that bastard got away easily. Urghhh.

I'm surprised with Sang-a decision to help her Sajang-nim too, I'm as baffled as Jin-kook but that makes her more outstanding. Initially she's my least favourite character but now I enjoy her arc so much.

Gangnam Beauty - More chill pills. I appreciate the plot and love the message but the bad characters are so frustrating. I mean you're in college already but all you care is look? To think that they are so educated. Smh.

Kenkou de Bunkatekina Saitei Gendo no Seikatsu - A human drama. I enjoyed 1st episode, heavy stuff.

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Your comment on Gangnam Beauty - sadly that’s the reality that South Korea faces. Might not be a common in your culture, but South Koreans do judge people with their looks. The story of a gangnam beauty. It doesn’t matter if you’re educated, they do bully you for being ugly and if you fixed up
something to be not ugly, they judge you for being fake.

If you haven’t read netizenbuzz and pannchoa, please go visit these websites as it will show you the reality of korean celebs face everyday -being judge for being fat and fake face. If you pass their beauty standards, you’re the national sister. Like really, these characters and the story is not exaggerating. It’s what legit people go through in Korea. It’s very suffocating, but that’s their everyday life

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