Rating:
Average user rating 4.0
80

When the Camellia Blooms: Episodes 23-24

It’s a long, soul-crushing day for our girls from the Camellia as they each deal with their own battles. They learn that sometimes, you can try your best to do the right thing but it still won’t be good enough.

  
EPISODE 23: “Don’t Forget Me”

Nak-ho grabs Dong-baek by the collar, growling that she’s dead meat. The threats don’t last long; his wrist is crushed by Yong-shik’s iron grip. Dong-baek takes a cue from Jung-sook, crying that Nak-ho choked her, and Yong-shik announces that everything that’s about to happen is considered self-defense.

At the station, Nak-ho’s practically in tears while reporting the assault, sporting a nasty-looking scratch on his chest. Chief Byun tries to control the situation as the two other officers look up Nak-ho’s records. A livid Jung-sook stands up for Dong-baek, accusing him of strangling her daughter.

When Chief Byun is called over to look at Nak-ho’s profile, Nak-ho decides to settle. The chief, who’d been civil up until now, pushes him out the door and gruffly tells him to get lost. He doesn’t consider anyone charged with attempted rape or murder as humans.

Nak-ho takes this as permission to “act like an animal,” warning Dong-baek that he’ll be watching. He advises Yong-shik to guard her carefully, because one day…it won’t be just an attempt. Hyang-mi pushes an angry Yong-shik aside, wanting to settle things herself.

Outside, Hyang-mi tells Nak-ho to leave them alone – she’ll be returning by the end of the month, after all. He snidely congratulates her for settling down but Hyang-mi expressionlessly insists that she and Dong-baek are just strangers.

Dong-baek links arms with Hyang-mi as they leave the station and Yong-shik immediately runs to join them, clinging onto Dong-baek. He instructs her to stick to him, since there are people he’s wary of.

Pil-gu joins them at a BBQ restaurant, where Nak-ho’s comment that “a home is just a place you feel comfortable in” lingers on Hyang-mi’s mind. She fondly observes everyone’s interactions and thinks that it’s a weird place to call home.

“There’s a mom who abandoned her daughter. A country bumpkin who adores someone else’s child. A kid who’s the oasis of the family.” Dong-baek urges Hyang-mi to eat, and Hyang-mi finishes up her list. “And the woman that all these people love…Dong-baek.”

They happily share food and laughter and at 10:05PM, a 24-hour countdown begins. Oh no.

As she braids Hyang-mi’s hair, Dong-baek reveals that she took her in despite the lies because she knew Hyang-mi had nowhere else to go. Hyang-mi muses that Dong-baek’s the first person to notice that about her.

Hyang-mi doesn’t understand how Dong-baek is so good-natured when they both led equally shitty lives.

Dong-baek ignores the comment, offering her a raise so she can save up. When asked if a raise will help her buy a house and start a family, Dong-baek has no answer.

Hyang-mi laments that they were abandoned and lack education, money and connections. They were dealt the worst hand possible, so why bother trying so hard to live?

Dong-baek disagrees – nobody knows what’ll happen until they’ve tried their best. She urges Hyang-mi not to leave.

Hyang-mi feels bad for being the messed up one. She seems to be convincing herself when she sighs that it’s why she should – nay, must – leave. Dong-baek thinks to herself that everyone hides their weaknesses, but some people are just so easy to read.

Meanwhile, some are impossible to read. Yong-shik checks in on Heung-shik who’s preparing cat food, casually mentioning that the gloves must feel stuffy. Heung-shik’s all smiles and says he’s fine, although others seem uncomfortable with it. “That was a mistake,” Yong-shik thinks.

Yong-shik grabs a sample straight from the source when Heung-shik leaves his cat food unattended. He asks why Heung-shik is locking up when his father’s still inside; Heung-shik claims that it gives him peace of mind since the world’s a scary place. “Another mistake,” Yong-shik notes as he mumbles in agreement.

Heung-shik asks about the thug with a weird gaze and sheepishly says that people give off certain vibes. Yong-shik assures that Hyang-mi’s fine since she has a strong mentality, but Heung-shik begs to differ – she just pretends to be okay. He bashfully skitters away when Yong-shik speculates that he likes her.

The chief isn’t on board with the idea of sending the cat food samples to forensics. He yells that even if it tests positive for pesticides, they won’t know who poisoned the food – but Yong-shik now has a sample from the feeder.

Yong-shik asks about the search for information on a Jung-sook born in the 60’s, earning him another scolding from the chief. It’s an impossible task when they don’t know her date of birth. Yong-shik leans back and cheekily smiles, “Guess it’s up to the future son-in-law to find out.”

Armed with another bouquet, Yong-shik’s on a mission to find out Jung-sook’s birthday but isn’t able to get a word in. Jung-sook asks if he’s loaded, with the amount he’s spending on flowers.

Hyang-mi carries in a huge package addressed to Pil-gu – it’s filled with toys and even a credit card from Jong-ryeol. Dong-baek mutters that he’s an annoying jerk, worriedly looking over at Yong-shik who’s devouring dumplings while trying to tune everything out.

He eats too quickly and heads outside for fresh air. He boasts that he has money too! He lists his accomplishments and Dong-baek watches him with a soft smile, slipping her hand into his. He confesses his annoyance at competing against someone who makes 1.2 billion won (about 1 million USD) per year when most people don’t ever make that much.

Dong-baek kisses his hand (he tries to get one on the lips, hah!) and assures him that although she’s in need of money, Jong-ryeol’s credit card only made her think about Yong-shik’s feelings. This soothes him over and his smile returns as he sneaks in a proper a kiss.

Yong-shik and Dong-baek flirt happily until an annoyed Hyang-mi cuts in that he should just give Dong-baek the money he spends on bouquets – they don’t have any vases left. He looks around the flower-filled bar and grabs a tin can for today’s bouquet.

It turns out to be Hyang-mi’s storage for stolen lighters. Yong-shik inspects a green one and asks about Heung-shik, learning that he visits the Camellia on a daily basis. He recalls the Joker’s warning that he watches Dong-baek every day.

This talk about lighters reminds Hyang-mi of the message that was burnt off the wall. She remembers seeing a similar burn recently and wonders if it’s common for people to burn their own dining table. Yong-shik probes for the location, but Hyang-mi doesn’t spill.

Their talk is cut short when Hyang-mi receives a letter – Jong-ryeol has filed a damage claim against her. Hyang-mi says she was going to be mature, but people like him make her the way she is. 11 hours and 45 minutes left on the clock.

At 10AM, she hops on a bus to Seoul. Jong-ryeol is rehearsing his lines for a shoot when Hyang-mi struts in, calling his name. He ignores her until she calls him “Pil-gu’s dad” in front of the staff. Irritated, he wonders if he should just kill her.

Jong-ryeol informs Hyang-mi that he won’t let her suck money out of him, but pities the way she lives. She drops the honorifics, “When someone who has a lot to lose faces someone who has nothing to lose, it’s the latter who wins.” He’s being punished for abandoning the sweet Dong-baek and has no right to judge her life.

Kyu-tae’s been living off alcohol and instant food since Ja-young left. His mother cleans his house as Hyang-mi voice-overs that clueless men have to suffer to acknowledge reality. He’s told to stay quiet and not let Ja-young take everything away.

He argues that Ja-young can have everything; she’s worth that much. Mom yells that he should’ve shown this romantic side earlier. As she angrily takes a call from his father, he wonders sadly if all sons turn out like their dads.

Kyu-tae texts Hyang-mi to meet at Ongsan Lake at 3PM so he can push her in. She’s about to board her bus when the sight of several men in hiking gear gives her pause. Hmm. 7 hours and 5 minutes left.

At the lake, Kyu-tae shows up in a paddleboat and hurriedly pedals them away to avoid being seen. He wants Hyang-mi to kneel to “his dear Ja-young” and bear witness in court to clear his name. It’s so ridiculous that she asks if all men are always a step behind.

Hyang-mi asks why he hit on her if he didn’t want to have an affair. He shares that he’d just wanted to show off since everyone else looked down on him. To him, she’s like a stray dog that was never loved.

Hyang-mi looks hurt as he continues that she’s as pitiful as a dog that craves attention whenever someone shows some interest. He advises her to change her ways if she wants someone to give her eye cream in the future.

In what seems like their first conversation with no false pretenses, she asks why everyone only loves Dong-baek when they’re nearly the same. Kyu-tae breaks it to her — they aren’t.

Dong-baek rejected his offer to let her stay if she fired Hyang-mi, she is fiercely loyal. He leaves Hyang-mi with the advice to live more like a human, although he’s not one to talk.

She receives another international call — the person is asking for 30 million won, which frustrates Hyang-mi because she’s already sent all the money she earned.

EPISODE 24

Jung-sook asks Pil-gu which of the two men he prefers. He doesn’t like either one, but knows who he hates more — Superman. He’d watched the entire show and has seen how much Jong-ryeol loves his daughter. Claiming that he’s not jealous, Pil-gu just finds it unfair that Jong-ryeol comes after him when he could continue doting on her instead.

Jung-sook curses Jong-ryeol for breaking Pil-gu’s heart with that show. He concludes that he absolutely hates Jong-ryeol and moderately hates Yong-shik. She commends him for picking the right side.

Pil-gu takes this opportunity to ask why Jung-sook calls him Dong-baek around his mom when she knows his name. Jung-sook doesn’t answer, but sighs that he couldn’t have inherited his smarts from his parents.

Jessica and her mom enter the Camellia to collect Pil-gu’s DNA for court purposes. He refers to Jessica as the lady from the Superman show and Jessica’s mom attempts to pluck a strand of his hair. Jung-sook grabs a fistful of hers before she succeeds. I love how tough she is!

She throws the women out, berating them for being arrogant when Dong-baek met Jong-ryeol first. Despite not having been married, they have a history that can’t be erased. Jung-sook scoffs that Jessica can keep her husband; they don’t even want him here.

Jung-sook continues that they can spout nonsense about an affair if Jessica wants an unemployed husband. She dares them to come back if they have the guts — she has nothing to lose, and will do at least one thing for Dong-baek. Aw!!

Hyang-mi approaches Jessica, introducing herself as the source of the rumour. She takes them to the café and notes that Jessica is the most desperate to keep Jong-ryeol’s career afloat since her influencer status depends on him.

If Jessica wants to keep her title as Mrs. Kang Jong-ryeol, she needs to pay up — it’ll take 30 million won to keep Hyang-mi’s lips sealed. Jessica calls her a “lowly fake,” but Hyang-mi argues they’re not that different.

One’s dying for attention, the other was never loved. The lucky one becomes Jessica and the unlucky one, Hyang-mi. Jessica joins the list of people who want to kill Hyang-mi. 5 hours and 4 minutes remain.

It’s been a rough day for Hyang-mi, so she asks for Pil-gu’s hand since he’s “the portable charger of our family.” He sighs that their family sure is bothersome but obliges, and she realizes she included herself as part of the family.

She tells Pil-gu to become successful and take care of his mom. “Don’t betray her like others do.” A black car follows behind, watching the two walk down the street.

At the Camellia, Hyang-mi ignores a call from Nak-ho. She’d exhausted all her options and finally takes the money from the fridge. She’s clearly reluctant to do it but says it’s Dong-baek’s fault for taking in someone like her.

The ajumma squad get pampered at a salon, talking about how pretty Dong-baek has become since dating. When Joon-gi barges in, Deok-soon asks if he fought with Pil-gu since she doesn’t see him around lately. It saddens Deok-soon to realize that Pil-gu avoids this street because of her.

She corners him on the street, claiming Ongsan as her turf. Since Pil-gu can’t avoid her, he should beat her. By that, she means he should stop thinking so much and visit her restaurant.

Deok-soon tries out Pil-gu’s new rolling backpack as he eats, mistakenly thinking that Yong-shik bought it for him when he says that he got it from “that guy.” Pil-gu can’t really answer when she asks who it is.

Jong-ryeol’s frustrated to see that Dong-baek’s even making deliveries now. She invites him inside to take his money back, but discovers that it’s all gone and curses her fate.

Yong-shik enters, unhappy to see Jong-ryeol. He thought he’d made it clear that he doesn’t like seeing them together. Dong-baek cries in frustration, asking what she’s to do when these things always happen to her. They weren’t expecting her to cry and learn about the stolen money.

2 hours and 35 minutes. Hyang-mi’s on the phone with the person she wired the money to. She tells them that she bought a plane ticket for tomorrow. This person doesn’t want her to come, even though Hyang-mi has nowhere else to go.

Yong-shik calls himself a jerk for making Dong-baek cry; seeing her tears makes him miserable. He promises to help her out and Jong-ryeol tells him to butt out of their business.

As the two continue arguing, Yong-shik asks if Jong-ryeol’s feeling anxious because Dong-baek is so pretty. He’s surprised that Jong-ryeol admits being scared of losing her, and assertively states the facts.

Dong-baek was always gloomy next to Jong-ryeol, but is pretty now because Yong-shik makes her smile. He’s swears to make sure she’s happy until the day she dies, and this gets a laugh out of Dong-baek.

Hyang-mi sits by her grandma’s hospital bed as she tells the person on the phone that she’s sent them at least 100 million won. She needs to leave Korea urgently and asks why they’re pushing her away when she wants to be with them.

Turns out it’s her younger brother, Hye-hoon, who’s calling from a hospital in Copenhagen. He doesn’t want Hyang-mi to come and shames her for her job. Oh, and his wife and doesn’t even know of Hyang-mi’s existence. Ugh.

Apparently, Hyang-mi’s been paying for his house, living expenses, and even his wife’s hospital bills. He of all people can’t be ashamed of her; she worked hard to give him a great life. She calls him ungrateful and cuts ties before hanging up.

Jong-ryeol has accepted that the lovebirds will be together, but requests them to leave Pil-gu out of their relationship. He won’t take Pil-gu away; he’s sure that Dong-baek will hand him over.

Jung-sook returns to the Camellia to find Deok-soon and Pil-gu waiting outside. Pil-gu tells Jung-sook that Yong-shik and Jong-ryeol (accidentally calling him “dad”) are here. Deok-soon asks her to watch Pil-gu.

Deok-soon says she didn’t know his father was still in the picture. She has never been disrespectful to Dong-baek. But just like Dong-baek is precious to Jung-sook, Yong-shik is precious to her – she can’t leave without saying her piece.

Jong-ryeol calmly reasons that Dong-baek can’t financially support Pil-gu’s major league dreams. He asks if she’s okay if their son lives a pathetic life like hers (wow, uncalled for) and fills her in on the 2D1M nickname.

With Dong-baek, Pil-gu would be a 2D1M as the son of a bar owner. With him, Pil-gu would be better equipped for a better life. Plus, is Yong-shik even capable of raising someone else’s son? “You obviously can’t love him more than I do,” says Jong-ryeol.

Dong-baek gets increasingly irritated as Jong-ryeol continues to take jabs at Yong-shik, including his financial status. The conversation comes to a halt when, to everyone’s shock, Deok-soon enters in a fury, yelling at Yong-shik for even listening to Jong-ryeol

The couple follow Deok-soon back to her restaurant. Deok-soon tells Dong-baek she hates her now and calls it like she sees it: Dong-baek dates Yong-shik and lets Jong-ryeol come and go as he pleases. Yong-shik tells her she’s mistaken, but Deok-soon doesn’t listen.

Hyang-mi tells her grandma that she sent money for hospital bills despite knowing that health care is free in Denmark. She figured he just needed money and acted like a fool. Even when she cut ties, it was for his sake.

She recalls a happier time when they were kids outside the Forget-Me-Not bar. They didn’t have much, but she was a very sweet sister who took care of a dumb and affectionate brother. She cries that he deserves to live a decent life without her.

Dong-baek explains that she doesn’t keep in touch with Jong-ryeol, but Deok-soon knows he’ll always be around because of Pil-gu. He also clearly has lingering feelings for her. Dong-baek cries, apologizing for always messing up and Deok-soon bellows that she shouldn’t do anything to be sorry for in the first place.

Yong-shik is especially precious to Deok-soon because he was born without a father; she’d endured many hardships to give him a happy life so she will not allow him to share Dong-baek’s troubles.

Dong-baek swallows back tears as Deok-soon begs her not to look pitiful and to stop smiling at Yong-shik. She’s asked to leave him alone and leaves the restaurant with dry eyes, telling Yong-shik to keep his mother company.

Dong-baek accepts a late-night delivery that she wouldn’t typically do. Jung-sook asks why she’s acting strong, but Dong-baek needs to stay busy. Besides, she wouldn’t be able to afford Pil-gu’s academy fees if she stopped working every time something happened.

Jung-sook thinks that she should’ve just killed herself instead of coming to Ongsan to watch Dong-baek live like this.

Knowing she won’t be forgiven but with nowhere to go, Hyang-mi makes her way back to the Camellia. She laments that that having a home can be dangerous. She sees Dong-baek struggling to start the motorbike and tells her to move aside, she’ll do the delivery instead.

They talk like nothing happened and Hyang-mi cries, “are you really dumb?” for not asking questions. Without malice, Dong-baek calls her pathetic for not having the guts to run away with the money. Hyang-mi doesn’t understand how Dong-baek is so generous even without receiving love from the rest of the world.

Hyang-mi sincerely confesses that she took Dong-baek’s bracelet because she wanted to remember her. She says Dong-baek named the Camellia well, since the flower has a good meaning. Some flowers have unlucky ones, like the forget-me-not, which means “don’t forget me.” Hyang-mi asks Dong-baek not to forget her like her family has.

She sets off on the delivery and Dong-baek waits for her to return. At 10:05PM, Dong-baek receives a call. An alarm rings at the same time, so Dong-baek doesn’t hear a coughing man asking, “are you coming this time?” before hanging up.

Yong-shik pronounces the estimated time of death — between 10 and 11PM.

  
COMMENTS

This episode was heartbreaking. We knew what the countdown was for and yet when the time came, it was still hard to accept. Hyang-mi has always been a mystery to us, but we finally learn her true motivations.

We’ve seen many instances where it seems like she’s trying to fit into the title of “someone like you” that everyone throws at her. They make huge assumptions that “someone like her” would turn out to be pitiful, heartless, and untrustworthy due to her background. She keeps repeating that Dong-baek shouldn’t have taken someone like her in, as if convincing herself to believe that it’s something anyone in her position would’ve done.

That’s why she feels especially bad seeing that Dong-baek, who had an equally bad upbringing, is so fundamentally good. Hyang-mi had to live her entire life protecting her brother, so it really aggravated me to see how ungrateful he was. I’m glad she had her own makeshift family and found a comfortable place to call home despite being let down by her blood family. Hyang-mi’s death is hard to accept because it’s clear that the target was never her, it was Dong-baek. It’s a case of bad luck, which seems to be the story of her entire life.

On the topic of family, I love how fiercely protective of Dong-baek Jung-sook has been lately. All her claws are out, and it seems like she’s just here to provide the support she couldn’t all those years ago. Deok-soon is also protecting Yong-shik in her own way, but is bulldozing over everyone. Dong-baek has been nothing but clear in her choice between Yong-shik and Jong-ryeol, but Deok-soon has tunnel vision and won’t stop to listen. I understand that it’s hard to be rational in her position, but she needs to see how happy Dong-baek and Yong-shik make each other, and let the kids figure things out themselves.

I find it interesting that Heung-shik is so perceptive of the people around him. He has this goofy demeanor and doesn’t seem like he’d hurt anyone. All the signs are pointing him out to be our Big Bad Villain. I wonder if it might be his father instead, since at this point, it has to be someone from Heung-shik’s household. Heung-shik doesn’t have the Joker’s habitual coughing; my assumption is that he’s the one who turned on the sprinklers, saving Dong-baek 5 years ago. Whatever the truth may be, we’ll find out very soon!

The writers have done a good job fleshing out most characters, their backgrounds, and motivations so I’m excited to dive into the Joker’s backstory.

RELATED POSTS

Tags: , , , , , , ,

80

Required fields are marked *

wait that's Son Dambi
she is in the drama too????

3
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

I need a sibling drama with Son Dambi and Song Kang Ho.. they are tubelights and yet so confident of their "tubelightedness" :P

3
reply

Required fields are marked *

She gives a wonderful performance. Her character is easy to dislike, but strangely intriguing, with a heartbreaking arc.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

I’m really sure it is Heung Shik’s dad, and I completely forgot about the sprinklers!!! You may be right, @selena! I wonder why he would target Dong Baek, though.

Hyang-mi’s story is heartbreaking, especially for it to end like that. Still, I didn’t like her way of extorting money and honestly, that made me less sympathetic to her plight.

8
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Yup, the moment Heung Shik locked his dad in the shop when he left, I knew. I'm assuming the "why" will have to come out eventually.

3
reply

Required fields are marked *

ur making me want to watch it :O

1
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Wow! I have never experienced a drama like this, It's so sweet but so scary and intense. It's a romantic horror genre, kinda....

7
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@nitam
"Romantic Horror" would be "Spellbound" with LMK and Son Ye-Jin (one of my favourites). This drama is something all together different.

It really is an unusual one for Kdrama.

I am so happy when out of the ordinary and well constructed rate - because it makes it more likely the next unusual project may get green lighted.

I am also happy that Kong Hyo-Jin & Kang Ha-Neul don't seem to suffer from that all too common KDrama affliction of strong actors picking projects that wither half way.

5
reply

Required fields are marked *

Thanks @selena.
Show has moved into more serious and high stress territory, and it's bringing on the sad, anxious feels over the inexorable tragedy that's just round the corner. Dramas always give one high point before it all goes darkish, and so it was with Hyang Mi's realization that she had family at Camellia even when her blood family wouldn't or couldn't acknowledge her. Just that one time of feeling comfortable, and after that, her world turns upside down.

I noted before that if the corpse found in the beginning of the show was Hyang Mi (rather than Dong Baek), it would be interesting because there were more people out for her blood, rather than just the Joker. However I never thought that the range of suspects would now include Jessica. Hyang Mi certainly plays dangerous games with every one who might have a weakness that she can take advantage of.

This passing mention of Heung Shik's father is interesting. How strange to have to lock one's father up. For whose safety, I wonder? Have we ever been given a glimpse of him before? If not, then he's a 'late addition' to the line up of characters. Even the husbands of the Ahjummas are mostly invisible, so all these men who could be the Joker, are not being paraded before us viewers. That does not give us an even chance at guessing who the Joker might be. So if Joker turns out to be someone we've not seen much of or at all, I call it unfair toward viewers watching for the mystery.

The pace is still great and it's very hard to wait for the next episodes. I hope it keeps up the great execution and manages to add in a couple of twists before the end! 😆

6
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

After the events of this episode I wonder what have happened after that make people believe that the body found was that of DongBaek at first?
And JungSook is absolutely right, PilGu didn't get his brain from parents, that's for sure.

6
11
reply

Required fields are marked *

Yeah, it is now from hindsight, a little puzzling about why the police thought the corpse might have been Dong Baek. I think the only reason for the doubt is that DB was also missing at that time. But if the body was dredged up from the lake, then it would more likely have been HM.

5
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

And even if DB was missing at that time, wouldn't HM body be more ekhem... mature??

3
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

LOL. Depends on when the body entered the lake, if it did come from the lake, and I think it did.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

@shach, @growingbeautifully,
The corpse was wearing Dong-baek's germanium bracelet. It was only later that she stopped wearing it, and Hyang-mi swiped it as a memento of Dong-baek.

5
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Which YongShik should notice since he is rather observant ;)
But @pakalanapikake it's just my musings how will opening scene from premiere will fit with all we know now about characters and their relationships.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

In the opening sequence of the drama, did the police ever mention DB? The show left us to fret over her death based on the bracelet, the way Chief B tried to keep YS away from the corpse, and YS's reaction (which now seems a little out of place).

5
5
reply

Required fields are marked *

Not in the opening sequence but in later flashbacks it was heavily implied by the way everyone acted toward YS, until they found her id.

4
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

I think it will turn out that the show was deliberately misleading us at that point through innuendo to make us worry that YS was going to finally win DB's heart, only to lose her in that cruel way.

5
reply

Required fields are marked *

@lindag latebloomer,
I've been thinking more and more about Yong-shik's reaction, which does seem excessive for Hyang-mi -- except that she's someone Dong-baek cares for deeply. If it's Dong-baek herself, I'll have a meltdown right along with him. I can think of two other females he would have that reaction to: his mother and Dong-baek's mother. Eeeek!

3
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

We would have to go to the fan wall to talk about this in light of what we know by now.

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@lindag latebloomer,
I'll keep mum for the time being. Show is trolling us mercilessly, and I have a feeling that there may be more than one body in the lake -- although I have no concrete evidence at this time.

2

OMG....@pakalanapikake called the Hyang-mi trajectory back in ep03 .

..."touch of Ophelia madness"...

It was just a small comment in a discussion on Son Dam-bi's performance but so prescient.

It ties in:
The drowning, Denmark, the brother who went to Europe and the sad flower references.

I think it is stunning that this was there all along in Son Dam-bi's performance.

13
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

@pakalanapikake did call it. Brilliant foresight.

And Hyang-Mi’s arc was truly heart breaking.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

@SadKDramaLama,

I was stunned to learn that there really is a character living in Denmark with the entitled attitudes of a spoiled crown prince. Initially I suspected that Hyang-mi had a terminal illness, and had The Little Mermaid statue and Tivoli Garden on her bucket list of places to visit before she died. Then I wondered if her family or a friend had moved overseas. After seeing that threatening text message from the loan shark, I figured she was trying to escape with her life.

I'd love to be able to ask Son Dam-bi if she were intentionally layering Ophelia (girlfriend of Hamlet, melancholic wangseja of Denmark) into her portrayal of Hyang-mi. I picked up on the Ophelia vibe from the vacuous, ever-so-slightly-unfocused look in her eyes, and something in her speech that I can't put my finger on.
http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/09/when-the-camellia-blooms-episodes-5-6/#comment-3528770

5
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Looking back, I think Hyang-mi was wonderfully acted.

6
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Hyang-mi will become one of those characters that sticks in my head.

Jennifer - 30 but 17
Yeo-Jin - FoS
Bong-Ae - My Mister
Oska - Secret Garden

5
reply

Required fields are marked *

Honestly, I can’t really blame Deok-soon on that one. She never really sees Dong-baek and Yong-shik together. Every time they get caught by her, they look super guilty. And now, she sees that the father is still in the picture and talking crap about her son. I would have blown up too. Hell, I have seen the whole thing and even I was frustrated.

Dong-baek need to take a stand. Jong-ryeol has been using his son to get Dong-baek’s attention and try to push his feelings on her. She needs to tell him to stop.

9
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

I'm rooting for JR to have healthy relationship with PilGu but in that scene he deserved to be clocked with metal bowl too.

5
reply

Required fields are marked *

I recently picked up this drama since it's nearing its end. And ep 2 is so frustrating? Dongbaek is so passive that it's hurting her and her son (and me). She doesn't stand up for herself at all. Should I continue watching this? Will it get better? Ratings are high but that does not always gage that the drama is good

1
12
reply

Required fields are marked *

Dong Baek does have a growth arc. The ahjummas also don't only bully and do nothing else. I'd say, continue until the end and FFD the parts that irritate you, however, there might be clues and red herrings to catch or miss.

3
reply

Required fields are marked *

@theimprintonmynose,
It took me weeks to get a handle on Dong-baek (and to a lesser extent, Hyang-mi). Cultural factors indigenous to Korea are a significant part of the mosaic. In my opinion, Dong-baek could also serve as an exquisitely well-drawn exemplar of a person who grew up in a dysfunctional family, which is why she is so incomprehensible to people from healthier backgrounds.

Other relatively recent noteworthy Kdrama characters from dysfunctional families include Yang Se-jong's chef On Jung-sun in TEMPERATURE OF LOVE -- who is much more mature and together than older girlfriend Seo Hyun-jin, her narcissistic parents (especially her covertly judgemental mom), and both of his parents. Lee Mi-sook projects his mom's stifling codependency like nobody's business, while Ahn Nae-sang portrays his physically and emotionally abusive dad. Seo Kang-joon and Esom do terrific jobs portraying their characters' growing pains in THE THIRD CHARM. Esom's character has a realistically bleak arc that brings to mind one definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different outcome.

Here is a selection of posts that may help give you a different perspective on Dong-baek and what makes her tick. I hope it helps. ;-)

Discussion by me and @SadKDramaLama of Korean social characteristics that contribute to Dong-baek's apparent passivity, in particular "wangtta," social hierarchy, and blaming the victim; wangtta in the drama MAWANG / LUCIFER (#13):
http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/09/when-the-camellia-blooms-episodes-5-6/

Why does Dong-baek behave in such a frustrating way?, or: Observations on adult children of dysfunctional families, parts 2 & 3 (#18):
http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/10/when-the-camellia-blooms-episodes-7-8/#comment-3536071

More on Hyang-mi and Lord No:
http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/10/when-the-camellia-blooms-episodes-7-8/#comment-3536099
Note: I didn't state it in the comment (perhaps it had not yet occurred to me?), but that vacant look that Hyang-mi sometimes has could be the "thousand-yard stare" of PTSD.

Wangtta and School Violence in ROK and Kdrama (#23)
http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/10/when-the-camellia-blooms-episodes-7-8/#comment-3536071

4
6
reply

Required fields are marked *

Thank you for replying, everyone. I dedided to continue the drama at least until halfway before judging if I should drop it. I will check the links(recaps) you posted as well as I go along the episodes 😊 thank you.

I just finished watching the 3rd (5-6)episode, and I wish dongbaek used the same energy she had when warding off the reporters to telling off the ahjumma bullies. Her character seems a bit inconsistent?

2
reply

Required fields are marked *

@pakalanapikake

RE: Huang-Mi's "thousand-yard stare" of PTSD.

If you want to know how dark HM has gone for money...this is it. We have a woman who has clear dissociation which means she has been to some very dark places - we are not talking lightly tainted but full on trauma inducing. I suspect this is why she has known her brother would not take her along.

Son Dam-bi didn't over play it. She just left these subtle hints all the way through her portrayal and let them hit home in one excruciating moment. Yet while we are reeling, she still manages to go on, even retuning to Camellia.

How strong is her survival instinct to still managing to put one foot in front of the other when we would be crushed.

5
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

Beautifully said.

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Thanks.
Just wish it didn't have the crazy dyslexia showing through.

2

@SadKDramaLama,
Hyang-mi's reaction to seeing Nak-ho in the Camellia implied that there was a truly dreadful history between them. And she was going to go back to him at the end of the month, which is a horrifying thought. She sounded so tough-minded about it. But Heung-shik commented to Yong-shik that she is a lot more fragile than she appears. He may be onto something.

I suspect that for Hyang-mi to survive, she has to completely suppress her feelings. That is the price she has been paying all along for carrying on day after day. She's been living that way for so long that she might not know or be able to imagine any other way of being.

I cannot help but contrast Pil-gu's outburst at having to stand up for his mom at the tender age of 8 with Hyang-mi's caring for Hye-hoon when she was even younger (i.e., about 5 years?). Not that it's a contest or anything...

I agree that Hyang-mi is a survivor. She has soldiered on for decades while taking care of her younger brother, only to be rejected by him when she herself needed a place of refuge. The image I have of her is the Family Hero-Rescuer-Caretaker who did everything in her power to put Hye-hoon into a lifeboat so he could escape from a life that would have been blighted otherwise. But when push came to shove, there was no room on the life raft for noona. Hell, there wasn't even a life preserver for her.

Hyang-mi has seemingly painted herself into a corner. I can't help but wonder if she would have eventually ended her own life if she hadn't made that ill-fated food delivery. I think it's a distinct possibility.

3
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@pakalanapikake
RE ..."Hyang-mi has seemingly painted herself into a corner. I can't help but wonder if she would have eventually ended her own life"...

Now I think about it, particularly as she may have seen that her "job was done". I.e. No need to paint an exit if you are finished.

Hyang-Mi saying 'lets break contact' with her brother may have been a sign not of anger/disappointment but completion (something I had not read at the time).

Her drive to break the cycle for her brother appears to have been epic but would that drive continue for herself...

This show is so full of characters that persist in my mind...I think this is because the drama constructed a story where you can feel their impact even when they are not on screen (I would add Ja-Young, Deok-Soon and 'Lord No' to that list).

3

Yes. You should continue. Dong- baek starts to show her strenth more and more

3
reply

Required fields are marked *

@ theimprintonmynose
I suspect one of the reasons many might be finding this unsatisfying is they are trying to watch it through either a RomCom or a Murder genre lens.

Sure it has those elements but the show doesn't fit neatly into either...so it you try and force it into those pigeon holes its just too: square peg/round hole.

The show works much better if you let it be itself. (More at the end)
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.

.
.
.
.
.....
PS - it is actually more akin to shows like
"I Want to Eat Your Pancreas"
"The Fault in our Stars"
"A Moment to Remember"
Yes, that's the Terminal Illness genre...only here no-one knew they were dying only we do.

You also helps avoid the culture clash if you have a basic understanding of wangtta and the SK cultural issues around orphans and families.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

@theimprintonmynose

To add to @pakalanapikake list of SK culture comments.

RE: Family, orphans. and adoption.

Ep11-12
Thread #5
- SadKDramaLama
- October 12, 2019 at 9:33 PM

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@SadKDramaLama, cc: @theimprintonmynose

Thank you for more food for thought. It took a while to marinate, but your comment on the "gospel of prosperity" shook loose a few more thoughts on wangtta / scapegoating in the West, predestination, care of disenfranchised children, and even Horatio Alger. ;-)

http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/10/when-the-camellia-blooms-episodes-11-12/#comment-3551490

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

This was a heartbreaking episode to watch. Till then I assumed Hyang Mi was just an airhead trying to climb the ladder up in life but got caught up and was hiding from someone.

But turns out all she really was doing was to provide a better life for her lil brother and all those path she chose was not for her own comfort but for her loved ones. And to know that her brother doesn't even care, doesn't even bother... was really heartbreaking to watch. Too see her crumble from realizing that finally.

Usually I feel good after every episode, but this episode was very raw and knowing how her fate ends it was just sad sad feeling.

8
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

The drama does a very good job in making us only see what it wants us to see and later revealing more in-depth. I wish Hyang Mi had a far better ending and at least get to love and to be loved and have her own family...

7
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

This. So this

You realise how little of the plot it has covered via actors dialogue to camera. It has nearly aways been shown via details and events not just told to us.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

@lucyhere I'm thinking Hyang Mi was also paying for her grandma's care. It was a great deal of money for an uneducated girl to have to earn by herself. It's no wonder she hit on whomever she could to get more money. Whenever she did that, she was a pro at it, but at the same time, I felt that she never took great pleasure in it or was gleeful about it. She only was happy to have a place to stay.

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

yes exactly. I think her grandma fell sick later, but primarily her source of income all went into education and comfort life of her brother. So yaa she just spend all her life earnings for her loved ones. I wish she was just selfish as she was portrayed all along and was selfish enough for a bit to live her life...

5
reply

Required fields are marked *

It has been revealed that Hyang Mi has some redeeming qualities, after all. Can we not have a less devastating end for her?

4
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

i love love love the show. i felt for Deok soon, her son deserves better treatment from JR however she doesnt she the bigger picture. Dongbeak and yongsik make each other so much better , im in love with them (can we be a throuple).

3
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

So, beanies...The Joker is:
1. Heung-shik,
2. Heung-shik’s father
3. Heung-shik and father in cahoots
4. They’re both red herrings, the joker is...

4
6
reply

Required fields are marked *

Remember that HS secretly likes HM. She treats him with frree shakes. Why would he want to kill her? Also, does he have that raspy voice and cough?

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

Comment was deleted

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

I'm suspecting 3. because he locks his father in. My guesses: He knows his father is dangerous but can't report him to the police. He keeps his father in check, but when he loses control over him, he also does what it takes to cover up whatever bad stuff his dad did.

If HS is supposed to love cats, then the one putting poison into the cat food might be his dad. But when there are no cats around, why does he keep leaving cat food about?

I find it strange that in a small place like Ongsan, no one has commented much on his locking his father in. Only Yong Shik asked. Won't people notice that his dad is never out and about?

7
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

Agree, I suspect that their relationship falls under "it's complicated", he may not fully endorse his father's extracurricular activities but he for sure knows about it and is somehow involved.

2
reply

Required fields are marked *

His father would have to be a regular at Camellia, even if he sits at a table by himself.

1
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Might it be possible for him to get a daily report through his son and so still be able to say that he's been watching her everyday? Yeah, I like all the pieces of the puzzle to fit. And then just when we think we've got it all together, show may throw out a new clue that does not fit at all!!!

3
reply

Required fields are marked *

For me, I am more interested in why they didn't catch the Joker 5 years ago (rather than their identity). Is there something in the town or hierarchal relationships that meant that people didn't want to see, and the entire town was subject to the "invisible gorilla" problem?

We have already seen our police duo are really uncomfortable with the idea that monsters live within us, and the outsider is not always the source of evil.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

I called it in on HS's dad being joker a few eps ago! And now I really want to know why, it seems like such a random thing, but he must have some sort of motivation.

Also I want to know about Yeong Shim's dog. This writer better not let me down with that as a red herring, not after most episodes of being reminded that YS has NOT gone out to investigate that case yet!!

4
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@purebristles Ah that dog paternity case was it? LOL. I'd forgotten about it. What a hoot if it was the investigation that would have prevented all the mayhem that is taking place or about to take place.

It's Yeong Shim who made the report? Or is it Yeong Shim who has to be investigated for allowing his dog into his neighbour's yard?

2
reply

Required fields are marked *

I had to take down a comment from an earlier post, because it had spoilers from this ep. So here it is: For the beanies who thought that DB shouldn't have left the money for HM to steal, having the money in the box was an important plot point. It was the final transfer of money and HM's plans to flee to Denmark that led to the rupture with her cold and heartless brother. It was the rupture with her brother that sent her back to Ongsan, into the path of people who wanted her dead. Meeting DB again after taking the money confirmed for her that someone really did love her, no matter how little she deserved it. And her guilt led her to make the delivery for DB. She unknowingly saved DB from Joker, at least this time, and died in her place. This whole sequence depended on her stealing the money.

7
9
reply

Required fields are marked *

@lindag While I do agree that the sequence of events that led to her death started with her stealing the money, I'm more intrigued by Hyang Mi's apparent death because now it is not only the Joker who could have and would have done her in, it's possible that others took the opportunity of HM being alone at night, to kill her. Dong Baek has only 1 known killer after her ... HM seems to have half a dozen people wishing her dead, at last count ...

I feel show has done a great set up for us. Even by revealing earlier that it is HM's identity card in the wallet they dredged up, we are left wondering if the victim was meant to be DB, or if it really was meant to be HM... who else besides the Joker might have done it.

And we are still left with the foreboding that since DB did not get killed ... her life or Pil Gu's might still be in danger. Such delicious suspense!!!

1
5
reply

Required fields are marked *

I don't think there's any doubt that Joker did her in, even if others may have wished/tried along her route that night. Because she was found with Joker's note. And it's clear that he knew it wasn't DB, because he called back and asked for delivery again and asked if she would bring it this time.

5
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

Yes, but that might be in the next episode about the note?

1
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

No, it was in the intro teasers in early episodes.

1

I thought maybe he would murder her because of what she saw at his house. The scratch marks and the other person. Not that she was killed instead of Dongbaek.

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

But the threat was to DB, the delivery request was to DB, and the call afterward was for DB to come herself this time.

2

@latebloomer,

“Meeting DB again after taking the money confirmed for her that someone really did love her, no matter how little she deserved it.”

I really like that you added back your comment that was deleted and especially for pointing out that Hyang-mi did have love, she is loved by Dongbaek and Pilgu. Theirs is the family that she found, and from its beginning, how it shows us she was welcomed into it when she didn’t have anywhere to go. I think we can get the sense, their family is one that is “unconditional” towards each other. And that it would be such a family that she is always welcome, even after making such a terrible choice like stealing that money.

That moment towards the end when HM was walking back to Camellia was probably weighted with trepidation, yet at the same time I think there must have been a trusting in that Camellia and to DB as being the only home she can go to. Then, DB’s reaction and manner of accepting her as if nothing had happen confirmed that love and acceptance even more, bringing her (and me) to tears. It was beautiful and sad given all the scenes that has built-up to that moment and the fate that we know she is soon heading too.

Want to also mention, I had read a comment from another post in a previous recap that HM’s “death gave no value to her life”. And I would disagree that her death has no value, on the same basis you already comment - “She unknowingly saved DB from Joker, at least this time, and died in her place.“

In this episode we come to discover so much of the motivations and intentions behind HM’s actions and choices and the realization of how much she self-sacrifices for the sake of the persons she cares for and loves. So even though the death is an ill-fate for her character, I feel that theme of self-sacrifice rings true about her even through her death. And this time of self-sacrifice comes with the giving and repaying of her life for and in place of Dongbaek.

When their whole family, including Yong-shik and DB’s mom was sitting in the BBQ restaurant and she was fondly looking at DB and thinking “And the woman that all these people love…Dong-baek.”. ..... this show has a great way of leaving space for viewer’s engagement and inferences, and though it may not always be explicit about certain characters’ feelings, in this scene it may be one of the more explicit admission that Hyang-mi, herself, is a part of the people that loves Dong-Baek.

Also Hyang-mi herself must think that her life is meaningless, having been abandoned by even her brother. But she shares if Dong-Baek were to not forget her that would give meaning to her life. Certainly, she is remembered and concerned over in living and In death within these contexts. So there is value to her death given the consequences ...and also significant plot value.

7
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

This is so thoughtful and true. I enjoyed reading what you wrote.

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

What a lovely post about Hyang Mi's life and death. Everyone who comes into the world does actually contribute to it and does bring hope, whether they themselves ever realise it or not. It is so sad that many feel (or are made to feel) that they are not valuable or worthwhile or that they are better off not born/not alive.

I hope Hyang Mi, and the real people who face such horrible realities in their lives will know that they are valuable persons and that their lives are meaningful.

5
reply

Required fields are marked *

Maybe it's me but I'll be damn if I would send my brother a Flippin dime. Knowing he lying and using you to pay for his and his wife's bills! Get a damn job! The nerve!

2
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

@kae
This has been a common practice for centuries - it is just that it has become invisible to many whose ancestors have done it in the past because it is no longer part of there present story.

My parents as displaced persons after WW2 did exactly this, as have millions of others in nearly every wave of migration from poverty or war. 1700s Scottish clearances, 1850s Irish, WW2, Vietnam, Asia today is still full of families sending money home (e.g. Singapore's migrant workers) and in China this is even an internal dynamic.

What is so heart wrenching to watch in HM's case is that she has known all along that to lift her brother out of poverty would probably mean she would remain. That tells us that she has done very shady things for that money (we only get a glimpse of how dark her life has been..but the inference is it is much darker than even that.

Sorrow floats - she knows full well that in SKorean culture her skeletons will never go away and she has known she can not risk passing them on to her brother...all her work would be for naught.

2
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

Truth.

And in Korea, a LONG tradition of sisters, especially older sisters, sacrificing everything for their brother(s). In other Asian cultures too, I suspect.

1
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@hebang
I had forgotten that part to add into the mix.

HY has really followed all the best principles of filial piety her culture espouses...It is interesting to actually see a drama that shows that all things are not equal and sometimes no amount of filial is enough to save you.

What is a warm home for many is crushing for others.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

I know it's a cultral thing but it just infuriates me the way women in these families sacrifice so much for everyone else and it's just expected. HM really got used her whole life except with D.

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Why are the recaps always delayed? This was last week's episode.

1
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Part 1 of 2

Re: @SadKDramaLama
November 2, 2019 at 12:36 AM
http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/10/when-the-camellia-blooms-episodes-23-24/#comment-3546395

Sorry to take so long to post my reply to your comment, which I’ve moved down from above. Sometimes this drama is just too much for me and I have to back off. MY COUNTRY has been heavy, too.

Thank you for your comments, which have made me see that WHEN THE CAMELLIA BLOOMS is really a slice-of-life character study of an assortment of denizens of a strange little town without pity called Ongsan, and a bigger one called Seoul. And a third called Copenhagen. What seems on paper to be a rom-com opened with a body recovery scene at a lake, and then shifted into the action-packed origin story of our heroic cop and his widowed mom – and that of their social-outcast neighbor and her young son. Outer appearances have been highly misleading. All the action really takes place below the surface of the intersecting public and private lives of individuals – and the town itself, which is a character in its own right.

The characters in CAMELLIA have really gotten under my skin. I’ve got a feeling that Writer-nim has been revealing them in such a way that we have seriously misjudged them, even ones who seem to be richly deserving of contempt. Maybe we’re meant to feel that we’ve been as judgmental as the Marinated Crab Matrons ourselves because we’ve prejudged these fictional individuals without knowing their extenuating circumstances. What a subtle plea for tolerance.

Methinks you hit the nail on the head with your observation that Hyang-mi may have broken off contact with dongsaeng Hye-hoon because she saw that her mission had been accomplished. She achieved her goal of saving him from a horrible fate. We always see him in the Mager Hospital in Copenhagen. Maybe he’s only there to visit his sick wife – or does he work there? If his wife were in need of a transplant and Hyang-mi were a tissue match, would he have turned her away? I think I know the answer to that. – He didn’t want her to come to Copenhagen because her reputation would precede her in the local Korean community, which is why he never mentioned her to his wife. Wangtta is portable, and follows you wherever you and other Koreans go. There is no escape.

Regarding Hyang-mi’s desperation to get out of Korea, I’ve always had a sense that she has been facing a deadline, and suspected she might have a terminal illness. It just occurred to me that she may have sold her organs for money for her brother, and tried to abscond. Or maybe she has to pony them up after ripping off the wrong loanshark. Is that why she’s returning to Nak-ho at the end of the month?

- Continued -

1
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Part 2 of 2

Hyang-mi has seemingly broken the cycle of poverty and disenfranchisement for Hye-hoon, but she cannot do it for herself. Like aspiring young scholar Baek Yi-hyun in NOKDU FLOWER – who was also traumatized to the point of PTSD – she has been so severely injured psychically that she may truly be beyond redemption. I’m purposely saying “may” because I fervently hope that is not the case, but I admit that I’m whistling in the dark. The reason for my shaky hope is something surprisingly insightful that Lord No said after their paddle boat ride on Lake Ongsan. When she bemoaned that she got off to as crappy a start in life as Dong-baek, Gyu-tae looked at her and said, “You are nothing like her.” He proceeded to tell her that even when he offered to extend the Camellia’s lease if she would just send Hyang-mi away, her boss had flatly refused to do so. The look in her eyes as that truth hit the mark – oof!

Hyang-mi reminds me of a song by former social worker Bernice Lewis called “Break This Circle” from her Open Lines and Signals CD. You can find it on YouTube. It could also apply to Dong-baek and Pil-gu, and some of the other characters as well. All I can think is that if Hyang-mi and Hye-hoon had been turned over to an orphanage, she would not be in this mess. Dong-baek hates the stigma of being orphaned, but for the other two, it would have been a step up that gave them a more stable living situation. It might have spared Hyang-mi’s sacrificing her self and her life. It wouldn’t have been ideal, but they would have had food and shelter, and adults taking care of them. One man’s meat is truly another man’s poison.

-30-

1
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Comment was deleted

1
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@louise,
If it weren't for prejudice, how much easier all the characters' lives would be. But then we wouldn't have a drama.

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

A belated thank you, @selena, for your highly detailed recap. This pair of episodes was packed to the gunwales.

0
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

The countdown FREAKED ME OUT. And did i ever expect to cry for Hyang Mi? Maybe.

And DON'T YOU DARE do the usual break -up-cuz-mother-doesn't-approve cliche!! I'm sick of it. Sick. Of. It.

Sorry, a bit late to the party.

0
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Currently Airing

Prime-Time Shows This Week
Monday-Tuesday (July 6-7) Wednesday-Thursday (July 8-9) Weekend (July 10-12)