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When the Camellia Blooms: Episodes 7-8

Everyone learns a little more about themselves and their peers in this episode. Moments of raw honesty and self-discovery hit us hard as our leads try to navigate their newly interwoven lives.

  
EPISODE 7: “The Country Boy”

After Jong-ryeol sees Yong-shik leading Dong-baek into the Camellia, he starts his car to leave. But before he can go, he’s caught by Hyang-mi, who knocks on his window to ask why he’s lurking outside instead of coming in.

Hyang-mi informs him that lurkers fall under two categories: they either want to borrow money or they miss someone. She speculates that there must be a reason why he can’t enter Dong-baek’s bar. Exasperated, Jong-ryeol gives in, snapping that she’s a good saleswoman.

He orders the stir-fried pork and when it’s served he gets super emotional at the sight of it, noting that nothing has changed. Though he’d claimed that he couldn’t finish such a huge portion alone, he ends up gobbling down the dish with incredible fervor.

When Dong-baek brings him more rice, he asks after Pil-gu and snidely comments that she should still take care of their son even if she’s busy dating. She retorts that Pil-gu’s just fine; he should just keep taking his daughter to see the dolphins – accidentally revealing that she’s been keeping up with him.

She’s so thrown off that she burns herself on a hot bowl and Jong-ryeol immediately jumps up to tend to her.

The tension breaks when Yong-shik approaches with Pil-gu’s notebook in hand. Cut to Yong-shik proudly showing off an autograph from Jong-ryeol. It turns out he’s a huge fan and even knows all of Jong-ryeol’s fan chants by heart, which he passionately demonstrates for everyone. Jong-ryeol stares at him incredulously, wondering if this is Dong-baek’s type.

Yong-shik pulls up a chair (uninvited) and launches into a story about “Ten Million Kang Jong-ryeol.” The nickname started because Jong-ryeol was so popular he could fill stadiums. 10 years back Korea faced Japan in the World Baseball Classic finals and instead of running from 2nd to 3rd base, Jong-ryeol froze, causing Korea to lose.

From then on the nickname referred to his ten million anti-fans. Jong-ryeol just throws a meaningful look at Dong-baek, stating that this happened 8 years ago while she avoids eye contact.

The boys take an awkward selfie outside. Yong-shik is excited and invites Jong-ryeol to visit anytime and it the way Yong-shik refers to the Camellia like it’s his doesn’t sit well with Jong-ryeol. He thinks to himself that Yong-shik’s “just a country bumpkin” and gives him a backhanded compliment by saying he seems down-to-earth and popular with guys. At that, Dong-baek chimes in to say that girls find that quality charming.

Love-struck Yong-shik clutches his delicate heart once again as she declares that in a world full of good-looking jerks, a country boy is the real catch. Yong-shik dorks up the moment by confirming with Dong-baek that she’s talking about him.

As Yong-shik escorts Dong-baek home, she tells him that it’ll be harder for the Joker to kill her now. Yong-shik asks if it’s because he’s by her side now but she says, “No, because I’m an ajumma.” You have to be strong to raise a son alone, so she’s confident she can take them on, one-on-one. Please don’t speak this into existence, Dong-baek!

The night of the crime, 5 years ago: Detective Byun learns that not only did the Joker leave behind a weapon for the first time, but there was also a survivor. He surveys the crime scene and finds Dong-baek drenched, staring solemnly out the window.

Back in the present, Dong-baek confides that it would be a lie to say she isn’t scared. She confesses that the note on the wall gave her goosebumps and Yong-shik immediately regrets telling her about its existence.

She dismisses his suggestion to close the Camellia for a few days – she didn’t close shop 5 years ago, so she’s sure not going to now. It’s her way of giving the Joker a warning: Don’t mess with her.

He muses that the people in this neighborhood aren’t very smart since they can’t see her claws. It’s the wimpy dogs that pick fights with others. Dong-baek may seem like a loser (she scoffs at this) but she’s actually brave.

He talks big about protecting her, but he knows the truth is that she’s not a woman who needs saving. Yong-shik lets out the most hilarious honking laugh as he says that her toughness makes her sexy. This earns him a punch, but she doesn’t seem to hate it.

Back at the Camellia, we hear ominous thumping noises. But it’s just Hyang-mi attempting to unclog the sink after washing her hair. She complains that she’s basically homeless and we see that she’s squatting at the Camellia.

As Hyang-mi settles in to sleep, she wonders if she should ask Dong-baek for permission to stay at the Camellia. She quickly dismisses the idea, knowing that even Dong-baek would go crazy if she knew that Hyang-mi’s apartment deposit was gone. Hyang-mi asks herself sadly how she’ll manage to scrape together 100 million won (about $100,000) and when she’ll make it to Copenhagen.

Preoccupied with her phone, she doesn’t even notice that a masked intruder is standing a few feet away from her. Yikes.

The next morning, Kyu-tae thinks about Hyang-mi declaring her respect for him as he loafs in bed. Ja-young stops what she’s doing when she sees his most recent status update where he described himself as someone who “knows the ‘reeds’ of the people.”

Outraged, she kicks him out of bed to school him on his lack of knowledge. “Just use Korean words if you don’t know English!”

Frustrated, Kyu-tae throws a tantrum. He accuses her of not respecting him and calls the house his prison. In a truly low blow, he blames her for being unable to bear a son to carry on his bloodline. Ugh.

Yong-shik brings Chief Byun to the Camellia to check out the note but they’re shocked to see it’s been burned off. Yong-shik hides the burnt message when Dong-baek comes by.

He goes overboard telling her she shouldn’t fret about something so trivial, but our girl’s sharp senses can tell something’s wrong. She forces the table out of the way and is shaken to see the message burned off.

Yong-shik gets very heated with Chief Byun, coming up with a detailed action plan to keep Dong-baek safe. He blames the chief for scaring “doe-eyed” Dong-baek by not hiding the message properly and asking to see the security footage.

Chief Byun seems to have it all figured out and circles Yong-shik with a keen eye. Giving a knowing smile, he nudges Yong-shik who gives in and yells that he’s right. The chief excitedly cuts in, “You’re finally a true police officer. Look at your sense of duty!” HA. He doesn’t have much of love radar, does he?

Hyang-mi asks if Dong-baek isn’t scared, but she says that Pil-gu’s tuition fees are scarier than any killer. Hearing this, Pil-gu turns off the travel ad to Qingdao he was watching and heads off to baseball practice. Dong-baek worries that he’s not eating much these days.

Sang-yeob goes over the baseball team’s itinerary for the Qingdao trip while Jong-ryeol passes bread out to each child, dropping an extra one in Pil-gu’s lap. Pil-gu goes outside to eat alone and Jong-ryeol follows closely behind to ask why he’s not going on the trip.

Pil-gu acts tough, insisting he doesn’t want to go. He calls the others losers for spending 480,000 won on the trip. He lists all the different things he could do with that much money and besides, his mom would have to sell 48 servings of stir-fried pork to get 480,000 won.

Jong-ryeol sounds close to tears when he asks Pil-gu if he at least makes sure to eat.

At a charity event, Kyu-tae squeezes himself into the center during the photo session. Willing to do anything for attention, he goes as far as piggybacking the most influential man there. The man tells him off afterwards, saying that acting close to him won’t get Kyu-tae a nomination.

Utterly humiliated, he turns around to see Chief Byun and Yong-shik were there to witness the exchange.

They’re there to ask for the security cam footage, but he refuses to show them. At the mention of a break-in, Kyu-tae beats around the bush to ask about Hyang-mi. Despite his concern, he can’t show them the footage because the camera is fake.

Sang-yeob tells the team to stop writing malicious comments online since the resident baseball star has been treating them well. Jong-ryeol bugs a pre-occupied Pil-gu, asking if he likes rib eye steak.

Aw, it seems like he wants to treat him to something nice and as such, is treating the whole team. Pil-gu lights up and asks for something else – marinated crabs.

Hand-in-hand, Pil-gu leads Jong-ryeol to Deok-soon’s restaurant, thrilled to bring her a herd of customers.

Yong-shik’s there, helping his mom out, and is pleasantly surprised to see Jong-ryeol again. Pil-gu sits between the two men and it turns into a bit of a dad competition. Yong-shik beats Jong-ryeol to the punch in giving the Pil-gu some crab.

As they eat, Jong-ryeol notices that Pil-gu has the same tastes as him – they both dislike carrots and cucumbers. Jong-ryeol confidently states that Pil-gu will hit at least 180cm the moment he hits high school, which makes Yong-shik laugh.

He asks Jong-ryeol what makes him say so, but of course, Jong-ryeol can’t give him the real reason. Instead, he scarfs down the rest of Pil-gu’s unfinished rice as naturally as a father would while Yong-shik watches with a thoughtful expression.

After lunch, Yong-shik overhears Jong-ryeol offering to cover the cost of the trip for the entire team as a scholarship. As he and Pil-gu to the Camellia, he asks if Pil-gu’s a left-handed hitter but Pil-gu rushes to hug his mom without answering. He’s over-the-moon about the trip, and seeing his excitement, Dong-baek asks why he didn’t want to go before.

She’s taken aback when Pil-gu matter-of-factly says he was worried about the money. Dong-baek grows silent when she learns that Jong-ryeol is fronting the cost for all the students.

Yong-shik is slicing radishes for Dong-baek when he learns that she has a best friend in the neighborhood – the toughest woman around town. Pil-gu is in great spirits but Dong-baek feels awful. She wants him to worry about little kid issues like ditching class to go to the arcade, not about their finances.

At his mom’s restaurant, Yong-shik is on radish duty again. He complains to his mom about how much kimchi she’s making but she responds by telling him that making kimchi is all about sharing.

She’s already set aside boxes of kimchi for his brothers and her bestie. Yong-shik’s laughter turns to shock when his mom says her bestie is Dong-baek, who’s on her way right now.

EPISODE 8

Deok-soon wants her bestie to meet her youngest son but he’s nowhere to be found…because he’s hiding under a counter. He barely holds it together as his mom tells embarrassing stories about him and describes him as being an “all or nothing” kind of guy.

Dong-baek muses that all Ongsan men must be wired the same and tells Deok-soon about a man she just met who’s all or nothing, and likens him to a grizzly bear. Deok-soon advises her not to get involved with men who are like bears. But Dong-baek reasons that some bears are pretty cute.

Speaking from experience, Deok-soon encourages Dong-baek to live her life for herself. Once her children are gone, she’ll just be an empty shell. Life as a single mom is lonely, so she urges her to find somebody to spend it with. Yoo-shik listens quietly, affected by his mother’s words.

Kyu-tae rolls up to offer Hyang-mi a ride and when they’re in the car together, he asks who else she respects. She says that if there were even three men she respected, she’d be living a much better life.

That answer makes him feel special, so he hands her coupons for water skiing and makes a cheesy dad joke about kissing. Ew. He wonders to himself if he’s being cool and Hyang-mi is amused that he’s trying to flirt.

Dong-baek asks Yong-shik to respect her and keep his distance as she heads to the market. She points out that he doesn’t know how awful it feels to be the center of rumors. He agrees — for about a second.

He figures that declaring to the world that he’s proud to like a woman as amazing as Dong-baek will shut everyone up.

This reminds her of a time she’d wanted to accompany Jong-ryeol to a wedding, but he didn’t want a dating scandal to erupt. She’d never been anyone’s pride. She sees Yong-shik in a new light as he shoots her a bright smile.

In the market, Yong-shik is keeping his distance as Dong-baek shops. To nobody’s surprise, the vegetable ajumma tries to rip Dong-baek off and Yong-shik steps in to complain. Led by Chan-sook, the ajumma squad arrives and tsk-tsks that his mother would be heartbroken to see him acting like this towards the women who helped raise him. Dong-baek removes herself from the situation and Yong-shik leaves the ajummas with a stern warning.

Already being scrutinized for everything she does, Dong-baek asks him to back off so she can live peacefully. He gets huffy at the fact that she doesn’t understand how he feels watching her be bullied. She scoffs that he has a knack for turning every conversation into a confession.

Deok-soon comes around and chides the ajumma squad for gossiping about her son but uses the opportunity to brag about how ambitious he is for dating a lawyer. The ajummas don’t break it to her that there IS no lawyer.

Dong-baek worries that people will think she’s seducing a young bachelor. She asks him to pretend not to like her, but he’s an open book – he can’t hide his feelings. Suddenly, his nostrils flare and his eyes get round. He’s in the zone and determined to ensure the town knows what’s up as he stomps back to the market.

He confronts Chan-sook with a public declaration of love, “Dong-baek isn’t the one seducing me, I’m the one trying to seduce her!” Chan-sook tries to get him to shut up and leave since his mom is inside the store behind her. She looks around nervously as he continues to yell with indignation that they have nothing to be ashamed of, he just likes her so much!!!

Deok-soon comes out and that’s how Dong-baek finally learns of the mother-son relationship. She worries about losing her best friend as Yong-shik follows his angry mother home.

Dong-baek downs some soju after the rough day and Jong-ryeol joins her. He can’t understand why she’s running a bar when it doesn’t suit her, but learns that he was the inspiration. We see that they were once very happy.

He’d showered her with kisses and praised her cooking, saying her dishes paired perfectly with soju. It was the first time that Dong-baek heard she was the best at something.

He’s in disbelief that he had that much influence on her, but as the only person in Dong-baek’s life, everything he said meant a lot to her. Now, she just wants to be left alone to make a living.

Jong-ryeol is upset that she’s not living well — she should have just stayed with him if she was going to end up like this. She asks him to ignore her but he can’t, especially now that he knows of Pil-gu’s existence.

He truthfully tells her that he hasn’t been okay all these years. Dong-baek admits that she thinks of him too, but she moved on and he should do the same.

He brings up “Ten Million Jong-ryeol” again and tells her he zoned out on March 12, 2012 – clearly a day of significance for them both. Later, Yong-sik finds him wiping away tears outside. Jong-ryeol warns him not to make Dong-baek’s life tougher than it needs to be and Yong-shik clocks that he refers to Dong-baek informally.

Inside, Dong-baek laments that she can’t face Deok-soon ever again and asks Yong-shik not to visit. He quietly asks if she cried. After hesitating, she confirms that she cried because she’s sad about losing her best friend and feels like a joke. She grew up as the only orphan in school, she’s the only single mother in town…she’s the only one who makes her own child worry about money.

Yong-shik gently tells her not to act weak; she’s lucky. She’s an orphan and a single mom who managed to raise a great son and run a successful business. On top of that, she’s diligent and kind. For all of that, Yong-shik says she deserves to be complimented and respected.

Dong-baek holds back tears as she thinks to herself that it’s the first time anyone has ever complimented her. He continues that she is the strongest, most admirable person he knows. This triggers the waterworks and she tells Yong-shik not to take her side or say that he’s proud of her. She sobs that he’s making her cry when she’s trying hard to stay strong. Dong-baek can’t get the words all the way out, but as she sobs, “You say that, but you’re just going to…”

Yong-shik declares that he’s not like Kang Jong-ryeol. He doesn’t care who Pil-gu’s dad is and will never make her or her son cry so she should just accept his compliments. She tells him to be careful, because what will he do if she really starts to like him?

Dong-baek narrates, “Can a person be another person’s miracle?”

We flash back to when Yong-shik was working hard, painting the Camellia’s walls. He looks back at someone and grumbles to himself that he could use some help. That someone is sitting at a table, wearing gloves and playing with a lighter.

  
COMMENTS

There’s a lot to dissect in this episode, but first – can we give a round of applause to Gong Hyo-jin? There’s just something about her that is so compelling to watch. You can’t help being drawn into her world, and she fully embodies each character she plays. She’s absolutely killing it here as the timid but low-key tough single mother. My heart hurt for Dong-baek as she broke down. I think most people can relate; it’s not the hurtful words that break you, it’s the words of support that leads you to become a sobbing mess. The fact that someone out there is saying the very words you need to hear just triggers tears.

Yong-shik may seem like a doofus but he’s actually quite introspective. Despite his initial infatuation being superficial, you can tell that he’s falling for her for all the right reasons. He’s not just spitting out empty compliments, he fully believes that Dong-baek is amazing with every fibre of his body. I love that he credits her for her successes. I am not 100% aboard this ship yet, but I’m sure it won’t take much more convincing.

Perhaps more so than the murder mystery, I’m curious about the history between Jong-ryeol and Dong-baek. The show seems to hint that Dong-baek initiated the breakup, which left both of them with a void in their hearts. Jong-ryeol definitely has some growing up to do, but I can see Pil-gu really benefiting from having him as a father figure and I enjoyed watching Jong-ryeol and Pil-gu bond. (But real talk: how does he spend so much time in Ongsan? Who’s taking care of his daughter?)

Speaking of parental figures, Deok-soon’s heart-to-heart with Dong-baek was touching. She has lots of love for her and I hope Dong-baek takes her advice to heart and lives life for herself. Dong-baek shouldn’t worry about losing her BFF; it’s likely that Deok-soon was more embarrassed about bragging to the ajummas than the fact that her son is chasing after a single mother.

The Joker kind of took a back seat in this episode, but they must be someone familiar to everyone in the neighborhood.. What compelled the Joker to erase the message? Is it because they don’t mean it anymore and want to take it back? Or that they want everyone to know that they’re watching and close by? I guess only time will tell.

Anyway, I am eagerly anticipating the day that the residents of Ongsan truly see Dong-baek for who she is, and accept her with open arms. She deserves to feel like she belongs for once in her life.

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@selena

But real talk: how does he spend so much time in Ongsan? Who’s taking care of his daughter?

I am guessing she is with nanny or in daycare? Jong ryeol and his wife are celebrities. I am sure they can afford it. In the episodes where he was taking care of his daughter were when he was shooting TROS.

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Thank you for your recap, @selena! Is this your first one as a Minion? I don't recall seeing your byline before. ;-)

I'm going to refresh my memory by rewatching the episode before commenting. Again, thanks for recapping!

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Frankly I still feel disconnect between how people talk about DongBeak and how we see her on screen, I don't see strong woman everyone keep talking about just a doormat, so there is something off in GHJ portrayal, I feel sorry for Pil Gu that he feels like he has to carry all that worries on his back in such a young age.
And I don't know if bullies finally accepting DB will erase their awful behaviour earlier? Maybe I'm pessimistic but I feel like YongShik mother won't be supporting their relationship, she may wish well for DB but not with her son, but maybe losing her support will make DB show some spine finally? Right now I'm more curious about Joker mystery and how long it take for Hyemi to become murder victim.

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I think the same, not only she doesn't seem like a strong woman but she isn't even believable. The fact that she isn't strong isn't a problem, not every heroine has to be, but it's weird to have so many others think she is, the show itself seems to think the same. I don't blame GHJ for not buying the character, I blame the writer. I still don't understand why she even has a bar if she has to deal with so much prejudice and part of it it's because of her choice of selling alcohol. The only scene explaining that was when she said how much she could make as profit but it was quick. Some people didn't like JR in this ep and he used some harsh words but I thought he was very relatable. In fact I only like the 3 main guys in this show, JR, YS and PilGu.

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Regarding selling alcohol/bar, Dongbaek was influenced by Jong ryeol when they were together

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Yes, but he said she made good side dishes for drinking and she isn't making food, she is just selling alcohol.

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That's not quite true. She's known for making a stir fried pork dish. That's one of the reasons YS suggests she open for lunch, too.

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@lixie

Of course, you get to read the characters as you see them.

However, as an example of why people "choose" to take jobs that may impact them. Sadly the world is full of this.
- Why do people in the UK take "Zero-hour contracts"?
- Why do immigrants and refugees take "menial" and dangerous jobs?

However, probably one of the most illustrative to DongBeak situation is the European post WW2/ 70's Vietnamese refugees who went into small grocery shops, delis and restaurants. The formula is simple:
- Find cheep rent (usually live in the shop)
- Access the actual "cash flow",
- The entire family becomes labour,
- You always consume the leftovers.

DongBeak got access to cash flow - alcohol gives that to her more than any other legal product (its the same as any restaurant that sells post-mix soda).

Yes, the other women will look down on her for selling alcohol. However, its not as if that is different - they already look down on her and in SKDrama land this will follow her for the rest of her life. No move, no change of jobs will change that. This is a society of connections...people without connections are not trusted. It is no different to the pre-50's west where introductory letters were common.

The ajummas changing prices for Dong-Beak is not snide or cheeky. These women are reminding Dong-Beak who she is in their eyes. It is a not-so-subtle but very deliberate continuation of bullying. It is a permanent reminder that this never ends.

I would ask the flip side: How many would by prestige items/services from an outcast?

P.S. This is from experience of an entire childhood of eating rotten fruit and items no longer sellable.

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Hi SadKDramaLama

Thanks for the long response!
I can easily understand why people take what others consider bad jobs, here is what I don't get about the bar. Why isn't she selling food from the start if it would make her life easier? If selling food doesn't help her make as much money I wish they had explained us that. I don't get why she wouldn't sell food if she is willing to get physically abused, yelled at, and other crazy things for six years. She can refuse peanuts to the landlord but she can't avoid getting pushed.
Also, I must confess whenever I try to like her more she says something that makes me think less of her, after what she said next episode I doubt I can really like her.

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@lixie

I don't think there is any issue with your not meshing with Dong-Beak. Its too early in the drama (with too many secretes still) to get a full reading of her one way or the other.

Having a different reading is an important part of the discussion here and I am sad how often those with other readings feel unwelcomed...only to find Beanies to be shocked when the true nature of a character is revealed later in a drama. We all miss things, and I so appreciate questioning the little issues that are dropped along the way.

The thing with her food - it may be in the telling but as I read it. This is a case of how do you smear someone who does what you do. The show clearly shows she does sell food (Notice Phi-gu uses stir-fried pork not alcohol as a measure of currency) and Phi-gu has already told us other marinated crab mothers also sell alcohol. It's the same as in "Marriage Not Dating" - Jang-Mi's parents ran a fried chicken shop (and sold alcohol). However, Jang-Mi is belittled for and defined only by the selling of alcohol.

Can you imagine if Dong-Beak sold a product that directly competed with the other ajummas? OMG. The wives go ballistic with their husbands just drinking there and we have already seen what happens when they lose customers to her. Sure, she knows the lane they leave open to her is actually more on the alcohol and bar side - its also where the cash flow is...and cashflow is everything as I suspect she lives day-to-day out of the float not income.

The "why" wasn't this described more directly, I suspect that to South Koreans this is actually very clear and quite overt (someone may offer a better reading).

Wrist grabbing vs peanuts. OMG don't get me started on wrist grabbing in Kdrama. However, in this case, we all have ways to rebel and stand our ground at work without blowback, I think hers is peanuts.

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Love fanboy Yong-shik! LOL. I can't even with his selca and making it his profile pic.

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The casting for this show was so well done. From the neighborhood ahjummas to Kyu-tae and his wife to Doek-soon, Jong-ryeol, and Chief Byun, and especially Yong-shik, they all are so perfect for their parts. I guess I'm neutral about Dong-baek not because she's not acted well, but because her character is difficult to really like. Or maybe I just don't want to fall for someone who's destined to be murdered.

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I don’t think she will be murdered. She has stopped wearing the bracelet given by her ex for a while now and has been wearing a different one.

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That’s last scene was everything. YS is so emotionally mature.
I see why many people don’t like DB. It’s not that she is weak, but she is hesitant to start a conflict. It’s the fear of being alone. She doesn’t fight back to the ajhunmas unless pushed to a corner for she wants to be accepted as part of the family/community. But fighting back strongly she feels she will be put an end to any chance of that happening.
Yes, I too want her to change for the better. And I think Yong Shik is making her think about her own strengths. She doesn’t need a family to stand up for herself. She is capable of doing that herself. And she has a kid who has to look up to her and not protect her. I think she is slowly realizing it.

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I think she is weak. I hesitated say that much and I can't talk about the next episodes yet but when you think about it, that is what I would say. What is really interesting is that YS is a kind of really strong character that is unusual in kdramas and she is also strange but because she isn't the strong quiet woman YS is telling us she is.
But I don't dislike her because I consider her weak. I dislike her because I don't believe her and because I think she is rather thoughtless.
I don't think she is hesitant to start a conflict because she fears being alone. She is already alone. She simply isn't strong enough to have a real fight. She prefers to hide and wait until trouble goes away. Think about what seems to be the reason she left JR, and what she said about the fair trade between them. And her behavior with the ahjumas, the landlord and the police.

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I think both DB and Jong-ryeol have lingering regrets about their break up. Jong-ryeol appears to be a spoiled, grown up child-athlete who was told he was great from a young age. Now that he is at the end of his career, he wonders if his current situation (disinterested C-celebrity wife, fishbowl lifestyle) is what he truly wanted after DB. DB is still holding on to her first love because being an outcast was the only thing she ever knew until Jong-ryeol. Even though he may have been selfish, gruff and annoying, DB felt she had a purpose in life. I think we need to see how they broke up for their story line to have closure.

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I disagree about DB being weak. It’s just that she’s been looked down on all her life that she doesn’t fight back like everyone expects her to. She has this inner strength to keep going even when the world is against her. If that isn’t strong, what is? Strength isn’t all about fighting; sometimes strength is enduring while still being beautiful like she is. I’m glad YS saw this.

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Sometimes people equate a feisty, outspoken, dramatic heroine into a strong character. That isn’t always the case. Strength with class is what DB is. Yes she may instigate Pilgu and YS to want to protect her, but that doesn’t mean she needs it because she doesn’t. She said it, she’s fine, she’s used to it yet she keeps running her business and raising her son well.

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Totally agree with you. For me a strong woman doesnt have to be like the lawyer lady. For all the reasons enunciated by YS she is a strong woman: being a single mom, running her own business, being kind, polite , those are characteristics of strong women too! A lot of people would have given up at some point. And GHj plays it to perfection I think. Most of her dramas start out like dat, her being shy, put down or timid. But she has spine and by the end of the series we ll definitely witness that.

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Exactly! I'm surprised with how many people are saying she's weak. Yeah she's not always speaking her mind, but we've seen her quietly stand up for herself many times. Also the way her character is written gives a lot of room for growth for her to have more confidence in her choices. Like YS said, she keeps pushing on doing her hardest and that's something to be proud of. I think a lot of dramas give us "strong" females leads, but really all they're doing is speaking their mind and not much else. As someone who gets tired of "strong" female leads being labeled so just because they are super vocal DB is a nice change of pace. I really like her character.

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Thank you @selena for the recap, really wonderfully done. I think just for this show alone I am giving DB about 500 page refresh hits a day; can't wait for the show recaps! I'm having all the feels every week now because GHJ is really selling me DB's hidden pain of someone who's been unloved all her life and now has a kid to give it all to. I can relate to that pain and the fake thick-skin you have to grow to cover the raw feelings underneath. Repeat a zillion times like how DB was writing in her notebook in an earlier episode, "it's okay" ... until it's not. YS fighting! I'm totally on board this ship because KHN's YS is so good for her. I hope she doesn't hurt him too badly as she keeps pushing him away.

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I now also want a Gong Yoo cameo. Come on, for a star candy biscuit, please?

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Hey welcome @selena! Thanks for the recap!

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thanks for the recap...i'm starting to follow this show via your notes/recap...not sure why but i'm just not able to watch the show, so currently will drop it for a bit and maybe take it up later. thanks:-)

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DongBeak isn't weak she's silent, that's a big difference. For her to raise her son alone, run a bar, get picked on by the women and harassed by men of the village CONSTANTLY takes strength. She needs someone to believe in her so she can believe in herself. Which she starts to do in future eps.

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Oh I thought in the last scene he was expecting Dongbaek to help him, got confused why he would think that. I'm glad his mother gets to know before they start dating. If it were after then she would be blaming Dongbaek for it maybe!

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I started watching this show because of Gong Hyo-jin. She is knocking it out of the park once again.

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@oldawyer
I am actually more surprised and impressed by a number of the other cast at the moment:

- No Kyu-Tae is just so weasely (how many shows have been built on a great weasel character)
- Pil-Gu - When he called his mother out. OMG. he owns his scenes at the moment.
- Hyang-Mi - is unnerving
- Deck-Soon - you can already read the cognitive dissonance.
- Hong Ja-Young - our lawyer wife has almost no screen time to this point but her presence is palpable, even in every No Kyu-Tae scene.

Kang Ha-Neul. If you think about what he is actually playing - this could have been a disaster but for me he sells it.

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Kang Ha-neul has particularly impressed me, but you are right about the others as well.

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My favourite part in this episode was JR and YS interaction at Camellia. With how DB previously had boasted about how her Husband is a great man and she had even forgotten JR's face only to caught red handed in her lies, JR seeing DB's potential partner and sole admirer was but a country dummy was really hilarious, not to mention DB's facial expression of YS making a fool of himself😁😁

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I thought these 2 episodes picked up the pace a little... is anyone here playing the guessing game as I am about the murderer? The last scene where Yong Shik grumbled about the “person” not helping to paint the walls and the scene cutting to that same person playing with the lighter underneath the table got me intrigued somehow, like who is this creepy murderer living amongst the community 😱

Yong Shik is really starting to grow on me, I think Kang Ha Neul is doing a great job here!

As for DB’s character, her relatability, or for me, even wanting to believe or feel the feelings that the two main leads have for each other, I’m starting to think that it’s more of poor writing than the actors’ portrayal of the characters. I feel like Show is forcing it down my throat by causing its characters to “tell” me that DB is strong through dialogue, “tell” me that Yong Shik has such strong feelings for DB by him proclaiming his great love all the time through dialogue etc etc, but without laying the actual foundations to build up and lead the viewers to the conclusion ourselves :/

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I suspect Dongbaek has to do with the murderer or that maybe she is the murderer... Because she was the only witness and the murderer has not killed again, also she wears something on her right arm as to hide something, maybe a scar from a burn? I hope I'm wrong. (sorry about my english)

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@Sandy
This has been in the back of my mind as well (If the show is going to punk us)....but it can't be ruled out yet. It also fits with the Official Camellia poster that @mary linked in her ep1 comment.

If it does become this - This show will reinforce the view that outsiders and people with "sad stories" are not to be trusted.....Oh, my heart will just break.

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Really late comment but just wanted to point out she wears the brace on her wrist from all the cabbage chopping over the years. If you watch the montage in ep 1 it shows that.

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I’m guessing the killer is related to the dog paternity case that YS is refusing to attend to. They keep bringing it up!

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hmm I'm thinking if it's the landlord or even the police chief... because of the familiar way in which YS was speaking to this mysterious person as if he knew him very well, and I'm guessing that Show would probably would already have laid the foundational work to let us see YS' interactions with the various characters in the show to drop these hints. The police chief seems a little suspicious somehow, while I'm also thinking they cast a seasoned actor as Oh Jung-Se as the landlord for perhaps a bigger reason..

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Is Hyang-mi the one Yongsik talking about not helping him paint and the one who's lighting the lighter? But I went back to that episode the only one wearing gloves is the guy who fixed the sink.

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Thank you so much for your recap of eps. 7-8, @selena. There is so much psychological stuff happening in the 4th hour that I’ve had to let it marinate for a while, and now I have to catch up.

@selena, you knocked it out of the park with that screencap and description:

Love-struck Yong-shik clutches his delicate heart once again as she declares that in a world full of good-looking jerks, a country boy is the real catch. Yong-shik dorks up the moment by confirming with Dong-baek that she’s talking about him.

You managed to capture that quintessentially Yong-shik expression on Kang Ha-neul's face as it flitted by. He doesn't take anything for granted, which is one reason why I love this character to bits. As he walks her home later, he tells her she doesn't need to be saved because she's an ajumma who can defend herself – and then guffaws that her toughness makes her sexy. Whereupon she bops him. Frankly, that looked like a love tap to me. He's getting to Dong-baek as much as she has been getting to him. These are some of my favorite scenes in this episode – along with watching Yong-shik squirm as he hides below the counter and overhears Mom talking with her bestie – whom he is horrified to realize is Dong-baek. As much as he cringes over Mom's revelations of his high school shenanigans, he is deeply touched by her experience of raising her youngest son without a father, and her heartfelt advice to Dong-baek.

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I know that Dong-baek’s behaviors and attitudes have been puzzling if not downright off-putting to numerous viewers. It suddenly hit me like a ton of bricks that her reactions are very similar to those of someone who grew up in a dysfunctional family, perhaps a family burdened with alcoholism or gambling addiction. Being a wangtta / outcast / scapegoat (about which I will post separately) shares some striking similarities with adult children of dysfunctional families. Dong-baek keeps a low profile, and while she quietly resists the abuse heaped on her by the Marinated Crab Matrons, she readily buys into the label that she is unlucky because she was orphaned. Her self-esteem has been eroded to a nub. She is used to hearing endless criticism of aspects of her life over which she had no control – and which are none of anyone else’s danged business anyway.

Aside from her friendship with Deok-soon, when Dong-baek is not being actively persecuted, she’s ignored – unless someone like Lord No has an ulterior motive. She walks on eggshells to avoid triggering unwanted attention of any kind, even if it’s positive. She has a hard time accepting compliments, and discounts them. She comes across as a doormat. I don’t deny it. But I understand it, and can see that the way she has been scapegoated since childhood for being an orphan has taken a tremendous toll on her spirit. Eight years of persecution by the Marinated Crab Matrons has been like living with an angry drunk. One never knows what will set off a tirade by an addict, so she has curtailed her social life and made herself as inconspicuous as possible. But the MCMs are always looking for an excuse to put her in her place.

What is alarming is Pil-gu’s insightful resentment of having to defend his mother when he’s still only in first grade. He’s a tough kid, but his soul is being warped by the unremitting stress of the life she chose for herself without considering the long-term consequences for her child. Yong-shik recognizes the symptoms, and goes out of his way to help the laconic little guy who reminds him of his younger, fatherless self. Sometimes all it takes is one sincerely caring adult to encourage and guide a young person so that they can overcome obstacles early in life and grow into a psychologically and emotionally healthy adult. And sometimes, even when such a child grows up, it is still a godsend to have an older friend whose care and freely-shared life experience provides much-needed moral support.

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Deuk-soon’s friendship is just such a lifeline for Dong-baek. The older woman is like a mother to her, and goes to bat for her against the cliquish matrons. She identifies with the feisty lady who single-handedly raised her youngest son after her husband’s death. Deok-soon is living proof that it can be done, and that knowledge is a great comfort to Dong-baek.

On another level, Deok-soon listens to Dong-baek with her heart. This is a novelty for the younger woman. It is also one of the scariest things that a socially-isolated person can experience. Allowing one’s self to be seen and heard is a huge step out of the comfort zone of self-effacement. To feel as if one is being listened to for the first time in one’s life is amazing, even shocking. The experience of having someone’s undivided, nonjudgmental, compassionate attention can be as unsettling as it is empowering.

Yong-shik upsets Dong-baek’s equilibrium precisely because he cannot help but call it like he sees it. He is acutely aware of the social stigma his widowed mother had to endure to raise him on her own. He knows that that has been Dong-baek’s lot, too. He cannot help but admire her for taking such good care of Pil-gu. Despite Deuk-soon’s tough love – or maybe because of it – her son knows in his bones that she loves him unconditionally. As a result, he is self-confident to be himself in situations in which other people would edit their self-expression. He is capable of unconditional love himself, and shares it freely and sincerely with practically everyone he meets.

Writer-nim is doing a terrific job portraying the hallmark consequences of family trauma and wangtta. Here’s hoping that he continues to realistically depict the psychological characteristics of people dealing heroically with their unfortunate circumstances. Dong-baek has grown up in a situation that has caused her to unconsciously adapt to abusive conditions as a matter of psychic survival. Now she is being prodded by Pil-gu and Yong-shik to consciously address those issues. I can’t wait to see what Writer-nim has up his sleeve.

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Cameo by veteran actor Lim Hyeon-shik as the elder politico at the Ongsan Mudflat Festival whose photo session Lord No crashes, even resorting to piggybacking him. (But it's all rocks! I don't see any mudflats! Or maybe that’s because it’s high tide?) It's painful to see how Peanut Moocher inserts himself into the middle of the gathering in a bid to get nominated. No has no pride when it comes to grovelling for a chance to run for public office. I bet he's doing it to please his mother, and because of his overwhelming need for validation. – When Capt. Byun later asks Lord No for his CCTV security footage of the street, he hems and haws before finally admitting that the camera is a fake. Just like him. Ouch. – Oh Jung-se is knocking out of the park with his portrayal of Lord No.

Scary Wife Esq.'s reaction to Lord No's use of mangled English on his social media page strikes me as incredibly petty and disproportionate to the offense. His feeling like a prisoner in his own home also got to me. But his reminder of her inability to bear a child was really hitting below the belt. (Since the woman is always blamed, I half-expect an eventual revelation that Peanut Moocher is shooting blanks.) It makes me wonder whether they have ever been happy for even 12 seconds. There is a lot of baggage yet to be revealed.

I nearly busted a gut when the cop fanboys his heart out at the Camellia in front of his baseball idol. His enthusiastic cheers and breathlessly sincere recapitulation of how Kang gained his nickname “Ten Million Kang Jong-ryeol” is a slow-motion train wreck for the athlete, but a precious part of his beloved lore to Yong-shik, who adores him. I bet that date in March eight years ago was the day Dong-baek told him she was leaving, or maybe the day after she left. I honestly cannot imagine her being mean-spirited enough to drop that kind of bombshell with malice aforethought on the day he had a championship game.

The scenes of Jong-ryeol with Pil-gu and the baseball team are also telling. He seems to be so much happier in Ongsan than when he is with his fake wife and hapless infant. Is the baby even hers, or was a surrogate mother involved? Jessica is so vain that I have a hard time imagining her going through pregnancy. On the other hand, Jessica might have purposely gotten pregnant to entrap Jong-ryeol as a means of feeding her publicity hunger. In this show, nothing would surprise me.

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The scene of Yong-shik going to bat against the Marinated Crab Matrons for jacking up the price of young radishes on Dong-baek is actually quite touching. At least two of them took care of him when he was little (and probably changed his diapers!), but I bet all of them babysat him at one time or another. As much as they gossip and back-bite, these women are also each other's support group and safety net, along with his mother. It's complicated. Even after 8 years, Dong-baek is still an outsider to most of them, but Deok-soon has had her back.

I was glad to see this scene. Underneath their hard-boiled fishwife exteriors, they are really quite sisterly in that bickering way of close siblings. They have relied on each other for many years, even as they lock horns over turf and pecking order. I specifically use that phrase because that is how cows establish dominance in the herd. It is not a fight to the death the way it would be among bulls and stallions, but it most definitely is a contest to establish dominance and membership in the herd. Dong-baek may be on the very periphery of the group, but she is still in it. She has not been driven out completely. I believe that's because Deok-soon has taken her and Pil-gu under her wing.

Yong-shik gets it in his head to plight his troth in public – in a no-holds-barred bid to reframe the situation as his pursuit of Dong-baek and not the other way around. The matrons see the writing on the wall because they know his Mom is in the building. Their vain attempts to prevent him from putting his foot in his mouth slay me.

Dong-baek fesses up to Yong-shik that she's upset about losing her best friend. He honestly tells her that she's lucky to have such a great son in Pil-gu, whom she's raised all by herself. She's an orphan and single mom who also runs a successful business, plus she's diligent and kind. She deserves to be complimented. – The emotional honesty of this scene is intense. Dong-baek has never received a compliment in her life (aside from Jong-ryeol's great love for her cooking), and is unable to graciously accept it. It is utterly alien, and comes out of left field. But the pitcher is Yong-shik, who has been totally sincere with her from the very start. He says what he means, and means what he says. If there's anyone from whom she could receive a compliment uttered in good faith, it would be him. So just accept his words at face value.

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Joker graffiti:

Flashback to Yong-shik painting over the graffiti. He looks over his shoulder towards the main entrance and mutters, "She could help me out a little. But she isn't really doing anything." That's in the subtitles I read. Zoom out to a work-gloved left hand running a disposable cigarette lighter against the wooden underside of a table, causing sparks that do not catch fire. – I cannot tell to whom Yong-shik is referring. I wonder if the original Korean actually mentions a female, as I am aware that pronouns are often not used at all. I'm really curious about the original phrasing.

Is the gloved hand that of Hyang-mi, who is known to filch cigarette lighters? But what's with the knit work gloves? If anything, she would be wearing rubber gloves for doing the dishes. Also, when Yong-shik in Capt. Byun's presence asks Hyang-mi point-blank if she burned the graffiti off the wall with a lighter, she replies, "This is a non-smoking zone." That’s a non sequitur. We already know that Hyang-mi does stuff she shouldn't do – such as squatting at the Camellia and washing her hair in the sink. Thus, I'm not certain we can believe anything she says. It wouldn't surprise me if Dong-baek knows her part-timer is crashing at the bar, but simply has not said anything. How could she not see the sink is clogged with her friend's garish tresses?

I don't think Yong-shik is referring to Dong-baek as someone who could have helped him paint the wall. His whole reason for doing it was to help her. Is a third woman present, one whom Yong-shik would expect to pitch in and help? Am I misreading this scene?

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More on Hyang-mi and Lord No:

In this episode, it's clearly shown that Hyang-mi has inadvertently clogged the sink with her hair. (I had been confused about that earlier, and thought that she might have been clogging it on purpose so Heung-shik would come over.) Aside from the toll that permanent waves and garish dye jobs take on her tresses, I'm concerned that Hyang-mi is losing so danged much hair. Is she sick? Is that why she is so determined to go to Copenhagen – because it's on her bucket list, and she wants to see Tivoli and the Little Mermaid statue in Langelinie before she dies?! She's one strange, disquieting bird.

Hyang-mi has not told Dong-baek that she is homeless, having lost her rental deposit. How??? Is she a gambling addict? Does she have medical bills? Dong-baek is the one who paid her rental deposit? Yikes!

Hyang-mi is beginning to look like quite an opportunist and freeloader – as well as a survivor. She's very resourceful and manages to get by. But what really worries me is that semi-vacant look of hers. She creeped me out when she accosted Jong-ryeol outside the Camellia. And in later scenes with Lord No at the Ongsan Mudflat Festival and at the motel, she makes my skin crawl as she pursues No in public in front of the bigwig politicians and community leaders. Even more so as she shakes down Peanut Moocher for a couple of nights away from sleeping on the floor at the Camellia. There seems to be something seriously wrong with this woman. Is she delusional? Mentally ill? Dong-baek told her to stop drinking during the day, so she might be alcoholic. She's also one of the few characters (aside from two of the Marinated Crab Matrons' menfolk) who smokes, that we've been shown so far. It hasn't been stated explicitly yet, but I suspect that Dong-baek and Hyang-mi met in the orphanage. But don't quote me.

Lord No's water-skiing trip under cover of attending the bogus funeral of a friend's wife is his first step with Hyang-mi on the road to perdition. Up until now, he's been a pest of a gadfly, but now it seems that he's grabbing for the brass ring of R-E-S-P-E-C-T. This will not end well, especially when Scary Wife Esq. catches wind of it – which will be as soon as he charges anything to his credit card. What a maroon.

Although Lord No is an annoying buffoon, I sense that there is a lot more to him than meets the eye. He has such a deep-seated need for acknowledgment that I think that he had some kind of traumatic childhood himself. I suspect that something about Dong-baek or her situation resonates strongly with him, which is why he picks on her so much. It may look like sexual harassment to the casual observer, but I suspect there's a lot more to the story. Nevertheless, there is no excuse for his behavior towards her.

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Wangtta and School Violence in ROK and Kdrama

I first encountered the term wangtta when watching MAWANG / THE DEVIL / THE LUCIFER in a post by Tom in the DIY discussion forum. Thread #70 on page 2 contains our comments on the subject in relation to the drama as well as the phenomenon in real life. I sensed a connection in the drama between wangtta and the historic persecution of Catholic converts in Joseon. Your mileage may vary.

http://www.dramabeans.com/2007/04/devil-mawang-wave-of-japanese-support/comment-page-2/#comment-3178117
70 PakalanaPikake – January 24, 2018 at 1:10 PM

One of the articles I posted on my fan wall back then, to which I refer in discussing wangtta:

Bullying in Korean schools and wangtta (posted 01 March 2012)
in: Waegukin living and teaching in Korea blog
http://waegukin.com/bullying-in-korean-schools-and-wangtta.html

I don’t recall if I’d read this article back then. I was surprised to see it turn up in the US medical database PubMed:

The Implications of Social Rejection and Peer Victimization: Beyond Social Phenomenon, by Hee
Jeong Yoo

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4168169/

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I'm surprised at a lot of the discussion in the comments. I really like DB and find her character very interesting. I also love YS. It's really interesting reading everyone's opinions, really gives a lot to think about. I think DB is strong yet quiet and without a lot of confidence. Sometimes those qualities make a character hard for some people to like. Obviously they are setting all characters involved up for a lot of character growth which if it actually occurs will make for a very satisfying ending.
All in all I'm really loving this drama

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I've watched and loved Gong Hyo Jin's acting in her previous works, but I don't know what about her acting as DB that I just don't buy. I don't know whether it's her portrayal of the character, the character itself, or the writing, but I just feel like her actions, stares, expressions, speech, etc. seem very unnatural/fake and awkward. I don't really feel for her crying scenes nor believe her timid or strong personality. I really liked GHJ but her acting just feels off for me with this drama.

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