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It’s Okay to Not Be Okay: Episode 5

It’s not easy for people to open up, but even more so for our fairy tale writer. She was imprisoned for so long, in her own home and in her own mind, that she now resists anyone who tries to get her out. But our caregiver is starting to get to her, affecting her more than she thought he ever could. All I can say is, Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let down your walls.

 
EPISODE 5: “Rapunzel and the cursed castle”

It’s pouring rain, and Kang-tae finds Moon-young walking along the road completely drenched and barefoot. He takes off his jacket and wraps it around her (and, gah, so swoony). She falls into him, noting that he’s warm and that she’s starving. He hesitantly hugs her back, and she smiles to herself.

Kang-tae takes Moon-young to a nearby motel, intending on dropping her off, but the front desk clerk (cameo by Jung Sang-hoon) assumes that they’re here together. The clerk even asks if they want any add-ons, like, say, a vibrating bed.

Moon-young is more than happy to stay, but Kang-tae suggests she take a taxi home instead. But when he learns she didn’t bring her phone or wallet, and that she meant to walk all the way home, he starts lecturing her to think before she acts. “If something bad happened…” he trails off, and she and the clerk smirk.

Moon-young backs Kang-tae up against the wall and asks why he’s getting angry — does he like her? She genuinely wants to know, referring back to what he said about her being incapable of understanding him.

Flustered, Kang-tae turns back to the clerk to pay for the room. Only, he forgot his wallet, having left home on impulse. “It’s okay,” Moon-young says, patting his shoulder. “It’s natural for men to act instinctively.”

This leads the couple back to Kang-tae’s apartment. Sang-tae is downstairs, with Joo-ri’s mom, and Moon-young tells Kang-tae not to call him over. But she doesn’t have to worry about that; he doesn’t want her around his brother. She teases that she should go fetch him then, and he grabs her back.

He asks her how his expression reads, and ignoring her answers (“handsome,” “rude”), he shows her Sang-tae’s card set of emotions. He tells her to at least make an effort and memorize the pictures and their meanings. She argues that she’s not autistic, and he throws back that she’s not a zombie kid either.

He quotes her book, asking if the zombie kid wanted to satiate his hunger or feel someone’s warmth. He uses her hand to guide his hand to her cheek and continues, “This is what he truly wanted. He didn’t just want to be fed.”

Her playfulness gone, she shoves his hand away and says that he’s reading too much into the story. The kid was a zombie, with no desires other than filling himself up. She goes into the bathroom to change into dry clothes, and once out of sight, she touches her cheek. “Who’s pitying whom?” she wonders.

Kang-tae heads downstairs and finds Sang-tae banging his head on the wall. Kang-tae apologizes for yelling earlier, and seeing that that won’t work, he reveals that he got slapped today. So hard that his face turned lumpy.

Sang-tae finally looks at him and, pointing out that he has no lumps, calls him a liar. Sang-tae starts hitting him and giving him a big brother scolding, which is how Kang-tae knows they’re good again.

Kang-tae is then greeted by Joo-ri’s mom, who urges him to sit down and eat. He asks for some food to go instead and sneaks away to eat with Moon-young. As they do, Moon-young compliments the food, and he asks what she eats at home. “I don’t eat anything,” she says, “I don’t have a mom who’d give me her limbs.”

Meanwhile, at OK Hospital, caregiver Cha-yong is nodding off in the hall, when the lights flicker. A dark figure glides past him, humming creepily, and he startles awake, turning his flashlight on to — Joo-ri. He tells Joo-ri what he heard, and she says it must be the “ghost” that patient Sun-hae is always talking about.

Joo-ri joins Nurse Park at the front desk and, thinking about Go Dae-hwan, asks why he might’ve attacked Moon-young. Nurse Park simply says that post-surgery patients can have aggressive outbursts, but Joo-ri doesn’t look so sure. What if he was trying to protect himself, to live?

Nurse Park turns to Joo-ri and brings up the fact that she and Moon-young seem to have a bad history. Joo-ri has a flashback, and we see the girls when they were younger, when Joo-ri asked Moon-young if she wanted to be friends, and then some time later, when Joo-ri screamed at Moon-young to stay away.

Nurse Park suggests Joo-ri ask herself if she’s letting countertransference (a therapist’s emotional entanglement with a client) get in the way. Though Joo-ri smiles, something tells me Nurse Park’s words aren’t really sinking in.

Back at Kang-tae’s apartment, Moon-young makes herself comfortable and insists on spending the night. Kang-tae tries to drag her out, but he freaks when he hears Jae-soo approaching. Kang-tae meets Jae-soo outside and when Jae-soo moves for the door, Kang-tae karate kicks it shut. Pwahaha, I can’t.

Once Kang-tae gets Jae-soo out of there, he finds that the door is now locked. Moon-young opens the window and jokes that they’re like Romeo and Juliet, but the frustrated Kang-tae orders her to stop fooling around and let him in. They argue about her spending the night, until she threatens to call for Sang-tae.

With that, Kang-tae calls Jae-soo and asks him to take care of Sang-tae for tonight, lying that his pipes burst. Only then does Moon-young let him back inside. They set up their separate beds, and she notes that he’s a pretty good actor.

His back to her, he quietly reveals that his brother is always reading every little detail of his face to figure out what he’s feeling. And when he’s feeling awful, he can make Sang-tae believe he’s happy by forcing a smile.

“All I care about is what Hyung thinks,” he says. “It’s fine even if it’s fake.” She mentions the childhood photograph on his wall and asks if he put on a fake smile even back then. He doesn’t remember, so she then asks about the girl he used to like — does he miss her?

To that, Kang-tae says that he’d rather forget that girl. Not because she was a bitch, like Moon-young thinks, but because he was a jerk for running away from her. He’s ashamed of that fact that he’s been running away since. Moon-young reminds him that he ran to her instead of away tonight.

Kang-tae returns to his tough attitude, saying he’s regretting that now, and she laughs. She closes her eyes and says that he looked cool, and he turns to look at her. Later, as he tries to sleep, she goes for skinship, playing footsie and rolling over to hug him. Eventually, he grows tired of this and drags her aside.

At OK Hospital, in Go Dae-hwan’s room, the window mysteriously frosts up just as the dark figure reappears. The figure starts to choke Dae-hwan, and he groans in pain, but when Dae-hwan’s roommates wake up, the figure is gone. What the what now?

The next morning, Joo-ri is just returning home after a long shift. She picks up Kang-tae’s delivered milk and heads upstairs, wanting an excuse to see him. But when she gets up there, she’s shocked to see Moon-young standing on the roof… wearing Kang-tae’s clothes. Moon-young is surprised too and asks what she’s doing here, and Joo-ri states that her mom owns the building. In fact, she was the one who brought Kang-tae back into town.

Moon-young smiles, correctly guessing that Joo-ri’s harboring a crush. That’s too bad, since Moon-young’s already confessed her love. Besides, she says, Kang-tae has always belonged to her. Joo-ri says that this is classic Moon-young, wanting something when she’s just going to toss it out after getting tired of it. And Moon-young says that this is classic Joo-ri, acting nice when she actually badmouthes people — that’s why she never had friends in school.

Fuming, Joo-ri slaps Moon-young and initiates a screaming hair-pulling match. But then they hear Kang-tae yelling, “Go Moon-young!” and they freeze. Kang-tae grabs Moon-young’s wrist and orders her to let go of Joo-ri.

That’s when Jae-soo, Sang-tae, and Joo-ri’s mom appear as well, having heard the screaming, and start at the sight of Kang-tae and the two women. Kang-tae pulls Moon-young away, down the steps, and tells her to go home. But she holds him back and demands that he come with her, move out of this place.

He frees himself from her hold and says, “Mind your own business. I decide where I live. And you don’t own me.” (Oooh, he overheard their conversation.) He shoves some taxi money into her hands — compensation for the “love” she showed out of sympathy. When he walks off, she curses and throws the money to the ground.

Kang-tae rejoins Sang-tae in their apartment, and he has to beg for forgiveness for lying yet again. But Sang-tae is also offended that Kang-tae lent Moon-young Kang-tae’s clothes instead of his. Kang-tae promises to give Moon-young Sang-tae’s clothes next time, hee.

Downstairs, Joo-ri is crying in bed, and her mom asks if Moon-young was that “friend” from years ago. Cue Joo-ri’s typical response, “She’s not my friend.” Mom then asks if Joo-ri is crying because she got her hair pulled, and Joo-ri whines that it’s because Kang-tae called out Moon-young’s name.

Joo-ri can’t believe Kang-tae and Moon-young seem so close while Kang-tae still treats her like an acquaintance. Mom assures her that she’ll get her chance, and Joo-ri sniffles, asking how she knew she liked him. “Everyone in this neighborhood knows,” Mom answers.

Sang-in is called back to Seoul with an emergency: the jerkface book critic that Moon-young pushed down the stairs is demanding compensation. Having this on top of the publishing house’s other financial problems, Sang-tae faints from stress.

That night, Kang-tae and Jae-soo are in the pizza place drinking (a lot of) beer. After the ordeal this morning, Jae-soo is worried for his friend. After all, Moon-young did hurt him with a knife the first time they met; he should use the scar on his palm as a reminder.

Kang-tae agrees that involving himself with Moon-young is a bad idea, but he’s been getting forgetful lately. “Of everything,” he says. “The scars, the butterflies, even Hyung.” So he’d appreciate it if Jae-soo helped him come to his senses every once and awhile, like he is now.

In her mansion, Moon-young lies in bed, staring at Kang-tae’s shirt drying by the window. She’s still thinking about the taxi money, enraged that Kang-tae thinks a mere 30,000 won is going to get rid of her. She tears the shirt down and stomps on it, calling him a jerk.

But then she remembers the way he touched her cheek, the way he looked at her, and it calms her down. She sighs and wonders, “Why is he so fickle? It confuses me.” Uh, girl, I’m pretty sure it’s the same for him.

Kang-tae comes home drunk, and he cuddles up to Sang-tae, asking who he likes more, Moon-young or him. But Sang-tae, who never likes answering this question, pretends to be asleep. Kang-tae murmurs, “I like you more,” before passing out, making Sang-tae open his eyes.

The next day, Sang-in and Seung-jae go to Moon-young’s mansion, and they inform her that they’ve gone broke paying compensation and other overdue fees. Sang-in is desperate for Moon-young to write for him, reminding her she even invited him to move in. Moon-young smirks and says that she’s having someone else move in.

At OK Hospital, after a therapy dance session, a patient named Eun-ja pulls Kang-tae aside. She’s had her eye on him for a while, and she’s noticed that “that nurse” likes him, but she thinks he’d be perfect for her daughter. Not knowing what to say, Kang-tae awkwardly leaves.

Director Oh is in his office wiping paint from his face (after disturbing Sang-tae’s masterpiece in progress), when Moon-young walks in. He called her in to apologize for the incident with her father, and she asks how he’ll make it up to her. To that, he reveals his throat and suggests she choke him too. Pfft, this guy.

Joo-ri is in the female ward, asking patient Sun-hae about the humming ghost she’s been hearing. Sun-hae’s roommate Ok-ran sighs that Sun-hae’s ghost is a hallucination, meaning she’s crazy. Sun-hae starts to argue, and Joo-ri holds her back, reassuring her that she isn’t crazy.

Ok-ran slaps Joo-ri, surprising her and Sun-hae, and asks, “Are you saying I’m the crazy one?” Joo-ri doesn’t answer, trying her best to keep her composure. Joo-ri later ventures out to the roof and sees that Kang-tae is already there, looking out at the view.

Being together on the roof, Joo-ri is reminded of a time when they worked at a different hospital. A patient had slapped her and Kang-tae urged her to slap him to feel better. She smiles, saying the incident probably made them closer. But then he asks if she wants to slap him now, and her face falls.

Kang-tae elaborates that she may be upset with what he says next. He doesn’t want her wasting her feelings on him, because he doesn’t deserve any of that. Still, she says, she can’t help how she feels.

Joo-ri’s voice wavering, she asks Kang-tae not to run away if he feels uncomfortable around her. She sheds a tear, saying she’d feel pathetic and sad if he did, and he silently nods. Behind them, we see Moon-young put out her cigarette before walking away.

Moon-young makes her way to the stairway, where Sang-tae is painting the wall. Sang-tae, as always, is starstruck to see her, and when she asks if he wants to have fun with her, he immediately says yes.

By the time Kang-tae starts looking for Sang-tae and he learns that Moon-young has taken him, they’re already on the road. They get to the mansion and Moon-young is pleased to see that Sang-tae is amazed by it all. She hands him a piece of paper that reads “Illustration contract” and tells him to sign it if he wants to live here.

At the hospital, Kang-tae is staring at his scarred palm, remembering his first encounter with Moon-young in vivid detail. Coming to a decision, he calls her and demands to know where they are. She says that they’re in the cursed castle, and he replies that he knows exactly where that is, that he’s been there.

“When you saved me and I ran away from you,” he says. Her amused smile fades as she says, “You knew?” He just tells her that he’s on his way, hanging up and walking out of the hospital with purpose.

Moon-young hangs up as well, turning to Sang-tae, who’s nearly passed out on her table from drinking. She asks if he wants to hear a fairy tale and he slurs a yes.

“A long time ago, deep inside the forest, there lived a little girl in a cursed castle. The girl’s mother always told her that she’s too special to live among everyone else outside the castle… However, the girl felt like she was imprisoned. So she prayed to the moon every day: ‘Please send me a handsome prince who can save me from here. Will he come today? Will he come tomorrow?’ The girl waited for him every day.”

In flashback, we see young Moon-young waiting out on her balcony and then seeing Kang-tae outside her gate, holding a bouquet of flowers. She turned and ran down the stairs, beaming, only to run into her mother.

We don’t see their exchange, but we do see when Moon-young met Kang-tae outside. He started to apologize for running away, but she just threw his flowers on the ground and stomped on them.

We transition from young Kang-tae walking away from the gate to present-day Kang-tae walking toward it. He pushes it open and walks through, looking up to see Moon-young standing on the balcony, just like that day.

 
COMMENTS

Interestinggggg. Kang-tae is a smart and observant guy, so it doesn’t surprise me that he’s figured out who Moon-young really is. What I’m curious about is how long he’s known and why he hasn’t said anything until now. I can’t pinpoint an exact moment when he might’ve had the epiphany, and I like that. I like that it wasn’t too obvious. Did he find out when he first brought up her eyes? Did he find out when she followed him to Seongjin City? For all we know, he could’ve recognized her the day he met her. It seems like a small detail, but seeing the look on Moon-young’s face, it means a lot to her. I’m guessing she kept her own knowledge a secret because it felt like a weapon she could pull out at any time, a reason to make him fall for her. But if he’s known she was his crush this whole time, and he’s still been acting cold… I can only imagine her disappointment.

This twist made me hurt for Moon-young, but, I’ve gotta say, the episode as a whole made me angry with her. The drama’s done a good job of making a character that’s hard to relate to actually relatable, but most of the time, I still feel more for Kang-tae and his struggles. I feel for him when Moon-young just won’t leave him alone. I want him to let loose sometimes, for sure, but her using Sang-tae to get to him is crossing a line. He made that clear and she chose to ignore him, for the sake of getting what she wanted. In that way, Joo-ri’s depiction of her rings true — she’s the type of person to do whatever it takes to get what she wants, even if she has to destroy it. And maybe in another drama world, Joo-ri would be the innocent heroine and Moon-young would be the evil villain. But every good villain has a good story, and Moon-young definitely has that. She’s more than what Joo-ri is saying, and that’s why I feel comfortable both loving and hating her.

Now on to the twist that did surprise me: Go Dae-hwan seeing the ghost. Naturally, when Moon-young arrived at the mansion and saw her mother, I assumed it was a dream. But her father seeing her mother — if that really was her mother — changes everything. So, what’s really going on? Are Moon-young and her father simply experiencing the same trauma? Or is there something paranormal after all? I don’t want to say that Sun-hae’s “ghost” is Moon-young’s mother just yet, but it is a possibility. My gut is telling me that the mother character is just such a powerful force, like Moon-young once said, that she somehow lives on. It’s so effective, too, denying us a good look at the mother’s face. She’s the scary thing in the dark, as if she’s the monster, not Moon-young.

We’ve seen (or heard, really) that the mother is always in Moon-young’s head, a constant reminder the same way the scar is a reminder for Kang-tae. But lately, I’ve been noticing how much that affects her in her daily life. For example, when Kang-tae touched her cheek, she was totally melting at his warmth. For a second, I thought he’d hit a sensitive spot in her wall and that it would come tumbling down. But then something shifted in her. And I swear, even though it wasn’t in the actual scene, I could hear her mother’s voice. It’s like anytime Moon-young is close to feeling vulnerable or warm, her mother pulls her back into that dark place. I don’t think Moon-young is some princess that needs saving (girl’s got enough strength), but she may need someone to help pull her out of the dark place and into the light.

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Thanks @sailorjumun! Always a delight to read your thoughts!

Yes, Moon-young's mother is becoming a real point of interest. What exactly did she say to MY when she was young that made her react to KT like that? When MY came down the stairs, she seemed absolutely delighted that her "prince" had come, but after a brief meeting with her mother, she was so cold. What kind of influence does her mother wield over her, even after she's dead? Fascinating story to be developed!

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My prediction is that her mother suffered from the same illness as MY. It’s usually the case that ASPD patients’ parents also have ASPD. And clearly, MY’s childhood environment is detrimental to her health as well. I’m just curious about her mom’s death and her father’s role in it.

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One of the things I have been thinking about more and more over the past few episodes is the extent to which Moon Young's ASPD is a function of nature or nurture.

Although Moon Young might have been born with ASPD tendencies, I get a sense that her mother may have exacerbated those tendencies. So I think it will be interesting to see how this aspect of Moon Young's story unfolds

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Yes, I definitely think that there was an external influence on Moon-young.

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In Moon-young's nightmare her mother says that she'd  kill the prince.
Her mother probably threatened to harm Kang-tae and that's why Moon-young treated him the way she did so he won't come back."Get lost." Run away and don't come back.
 Anyway like the majority here, Moon-young's ASPD may have been a manifestation of her childhood traumas. 
Since she was isolated from everyone else she learnt how to suppress her emotions as a defense mechanism from the mental and maybe physical abuse that she was going through as a child.

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Ah, I'm in love with this drama. I love how Mun-young is at the same time just like every other b*tchy second female lead and also most of the arrogant, difficult male leads. I mean, exactly as @sailorjumun said; in any other drama the confrontation between Joo-ri and Mun-young would have been between kind candy heroine and evil second lead lady who just won't let the hero go and rubs it to the candy heroine's face. But here the second lead IS the heroine.

Besides, I absolutely loved how both ladies were hurt by Kang-tae during the altercation. Mun-young felt he thought she was responsible and Joo-ri felt he only really cared about Mun-young. And the best part is that both ladies are correct; Kang-tae did care about Mun-young way more and that is the reason why he reacted way more strongly to HER behaviour than Joo-ri's.

I've been thinking about the ghost of the mother and I'm still not quite convinced it is anything supernatural, really... I think it's more like characters feel it is. It's hardly a spoiler to say Mun-young's mother was abusive. Victims of abuse often internalise the perpetrator and especially, in a sense, the perpetrator's voice, and that is what I think has happened here. Mun-young has incorporated her mother into herself, in a sense; the darkness the abuse created in her tooks the shape of her mother. Thus, the ghost of the mother is, actually, Mun-young herself, a manifestation of the darkness in her - the result of the abuse. But, not the whole result; that is the part that is capable and ready to abuse others. I mean, abuse begets abuse; abused often end up abusing others when they grow up. And this ties into Joo-ri's words about Mun-young destroying things she wants; I think Mun-young is seeking salvation but darkness in her ends up destroying the very things she tries to get that salvation from. This is actually quite typical for people suffering from borderline personality disorder, for example. They WANT their partners to "save" them but their deep fear of abandonment often causes them to destroy the relationship.

And I do like how Mun-young is often cold, hateful and impossible. Finally a female lead who is immensely imperfect. Her way of just ignoring people's boundaries, especially Kang-tae's, is obviously despicable. But I like how drama doesn't shy away from showing her manipulative and aggressive side. I'm not psychologist but this doesn't sound too far fetched for a person with ASPD.

Also, loved the part about recognizing emotions on people's faces. Studies show that people with ASPD are, in fact, very poor at recognizing fear on somebody's face, and, to a degree sadness also is difficult for them to see.

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As we haven't seen MY's mum face, I've been thinking that she may be exactly like her mum, and that may be the main reason why his dad wanted to choke her, as according to MY, he's the one who killed her mother. But I'm not so sure. Her voice is nothing similar to SYJ's voice (this can be edited, of course), but I think the show is fooling us on this.

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i had the same suspicions, that we'd get seo yeji playing the mother as well. but something we saw in episode 6 changed my mind.

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Exactly!

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I had this suspicion as well, it would have explained her dad's reaction and her thing with staring into the mirror. But ep 6 changed my mind. It looked like a different actress portraying her. Although, this could be a misdirect by the director.

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Do Hee-jae is Moon-young's mother and she is played by Woo Jung-won. The same actress who is playing the  patient at OK hospital who was humming "Clementine."
I think at some point we would see her whole face emerging from the lake since we only saw her head from Moon-young's flashback.

Maybe she fell or was pushed into the lake and Moon-young saved her.
Moon-young had said that her mother disappeared. Joo-ri said that she is still alive so I'm not sure if she is  dead yet lol.

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I made a mistake. Woo Jung-won is not playing Eun-ja, only Moon-young’s mom.

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That would have been super interesting :)

Btw I wanted to tell you, @eazal that someone shared a tweet with a screenshot of your comment and someone else’s about ST’s violent tendencies conjecture on soompi. It was interesting to realize how small the world is and also, thought would tell you that your thoughts are being circulated :)

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Quoting MY.... Wow!!

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Ooh, I hadn't thought MY is the arche typical second FL. But now that I see the idea, ofc. When she asked GT to move in to her digs from that 'shabby'house, to me, she was the epitome of every insufferable chaebol hero we have been made to watch. The way MY sneaked ST out and jeered at GT to come get him if he dared was also something a ML would've done. Ofc his lack of boundaries and overreach would be signs of his lorrve that we are all supposed to swoon over. It feels like progress to have so many people root for a FL despite her seemingly bad behavior but it's also telling that a female needs a redeeming reason like a literal mental illness while the heroes of yore have been allowed to get away with all this and more without any excuse other than a general case of 'coz that's how heroes are when in love'

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Yes, but not just a mental issue, she needs to get attacked twice by her father and to be haunted by the mother. She needs also to take barefoot strolls in the rain.

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some viewer response to moon young has been surprising to me. we're making great strides here with how complex and layered she is, a luxury that female characters just don't have in dramaland (or in media in general, lbr), but so many have been focused on beating her down. her actions are, of course, problematic and inappropriate, but rather than take it at face value, i wish people would look at the bigger picture and consider why she behaves this way, and more importantly note that she is held accountable for her actions, one way or another. moon young is not paired up with a helpless candy. broken as he is, kang tae is an indomitable force of his own.

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I know right! We rarely see multifaceted female leads in kdrama. They (the female leads as seen before) are almost this shiny perfect little thing that aim to be likable by literally everyone. That’s not realistic. I want broken and flawed heroines for a change, and MY fits my taste perfectly. Do people really just want easy-to-like characters, i wonder? the older i get, the more i don’t cos, you know, we’re all broken one way or another.

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@yuuchan

Cheers 🥂 to : we’re all broken one way or another.

Love that!

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In the first eps she was held accountable for her actions but in these last weeks not so much. KT is his own person but even his reactions to her are becoming too mild. One of the problems with being very understanding of her manipulative and selfish actions is that we don't know exactly what comes from her mental issues, the disorder traits her characters has, or her trauma as a child, or her personality. It's not even possible to take these separately but in general she still gets a lot of love from everybody just because she represents a freedom most people envy and because drama is making sure to show her as a victim of child abuse.

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@lixie when I first saw people’s take on MY and how they saw her as manipulative and selfish... I for one felt that they were being too harsh.

I know of a few people who are like her. They have not been abused as children, at least not that I know of, but They are like MY in so many ways. And thus, while watching this I have been wondering if one or two of them have APSD and if this is APSD then maybe everyone has some psychological disorder of sorts. I remember as a teenager I found one such friend’s lack of empathy very annoying and jarring. She would say anything and get away with it. She has killed insects that I wouldn’t and hasn’t been apologetic about it! She was good at getting marks and was allowed to do what she liked. However, she decided to be my friend and I realized that yes she was manipulative/annoying/selfish to the extent that it almost always her way or the highway but I wouldn’t want her to change as she is special in her own way.

Long story short, MY is a glamorous version of her for me and thus I find MY highly relatable. I also understand why GT can’t let go of MY. I would have preferred if the director had been unapologetic about MY being what she is rather than giving a sob story to justify her characteristics. It is just my personal preference but I like the director’s view of MY and I also think people do/behave as she does, maybe a bit more discretely and we are not as harsh towards them. I feel we are almost like GT towards MY when he finds the girls having a cat fight. Only judging her because she is in-your-face kind of a character.

Anyway, I am glad that I am getting to see another point of view of how her character can be read :)

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I know someone like her too which is probably why I say in real life they are not so easy to forgive. Like you said, many times you know it will be "their way or the highway" and you have to be careful to give them boundaries and be firm about being true to yourself or they will exploit your kindness and your fondness of them. Indeed MY is the exaggeration of this egocentric behavior which is why she is such a good character for this show.

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This is, sadly, quite common. Like, in Breaking Bad, so, SO many people just hate Skyler and almost blame her for all Walt's problems. I mean, Walt is clearly the abusive party in that relationship but nope, it's the wife who's a b*tch because she won't just accept her DRUG CONDOCTING husband.

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And I think people judge her too harshly. She is not nice to people she doesn’t like and she is unscrupulous when it comes to going after what she wants.

In the business world a man being like that would be ambitious and admired, a woman doing the same would be condemned?

Her using ST to get her way was wrong. Her “owning” of KT is not correct either. But she is human, no?

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Thank you so much for saying this @ashes2ashes

I just don’t get it why are women judged so harshly while men get away with weird behavior in the name of love?

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I was thinking the same thing! Male leads, especially in older dramas get away with soooo much crap unlike female leads who always have to be "likeable".

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Really liked your thought on the supernatural & abuse!

I want to push back on the characterization that MY is like the second lead. Typically, the problem with the second lead is that it takes 15 episodes for the ML to figure out that the second lead is not a nice person because the second lead excels at going behind people's backs, playing victim, slapping first, etc. Here, Joori's actions are still the second lead's, even though her personality may not be. Joori is the one who asked MY to pretend that they don't know each other, and I always thought MY found it distasteful based on her passive-aggressive comments every time they were with a third party. Joori is the one who first went personal in the confrontation by mocking MY's possessiveness, the one to mix her personal feelings with professional opinion under the guise of being a nice, concerned staff now twice - all true to MY's criticism of her being like a pumpkin seed (two-faced).

instead, I like that Joori isn't a sinister or evil character. She is just a bystander to two forces of attraction. She doesn't have to be evil for us to know that nothing beats attraction, and we can escape tropes such as the chaebol ML finding a candy with a heart of gold in the face of adversity (money envelopes, noble idiocy) to justify it.

For that reason, I'm not too bothered by how MY ignores KT's boundaries because of how much worse we see when the genders are reversed. Not saying it's okay, but there are times I've wondered how the drama got away with the ML basically cornering an uninterested FL under the pretext of romance just because he showed some flashes of a warm persona (think LMH).

KT is playing hard to get and MY knows it. Regarding ST, ST as a character thus far showed he has a handicap, but he still has agency over his actions and can function on his own. There are instances when ST shows more than he is letting on, or at least more than what KT expects from him. Like the KDY case, MY didn't force ST into her car. ST is allowed to make his own choices. Of course, it's still wrong for MY manipulating the situation so KT comes to the castle, but because she has ASPD, she sees the situation like it is, so to her, ST is more than capable than what others (including KT) give him credit for.

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It was more that MY was a lot like SL in that particular scene with Joo-ri. I mean, it's SUCH a cliche to show SL taunting kind candy heroine with her power over the hero and considering what we know about the relentlessness with which MY pursues KT, it fits.

However, I'm not saying that MY's character is totally like a SL in basic drama or that Joo-ri's is like candy heroine's. Because, as you say, both are way, way more multilayered characters with both good sides and bad sides in them, which makes this drama so interesting.

I, also, am not bothered by MY's propensity to ignore Kang-tae's boundaries. Yes, it is wrong but again it is how you say it is... if it were male lead, it'd be way worse AND the male lead would rarely be called out on it at all. At least MY is. Yes, KT is softening but it's partly because he is starting to see that lots of this boundary ignoring is coming not only from her innate personality disorder (he recognises she has one even if he doesn't know which one; he sees that she is unable to read emotions properly in other people) but also from her pain and fear. And I think the latter is what touches him; he wants to respond to her and console her and to take care of her. He's just holding himself back really hard.

And yes, again, we agree on ST's agency. He does have autism and he may not be able to completely function independently but clearly more than KT gives him credit for. KT has coddled ST and I think he almost kinda uses ST as a crutch; as long as he focuses on taking care of ST, he doesn't have to face himself and his own pain. And so he coddles ST more than necessary. Lots of it is their mom's influence, me think.

I guess the only part we disagree on is whether KT is playing hard to get or not. I do not think he is. I think he is drawn to MY but genuinely does want to also stay away from her. He doesn't want to rock the boat that is his life bc there is a LOT under the surface and he does not want to face his demons.

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I have thought of two reasons why the drama continues to hide the mother's face, the first being she is someone we know (which would imply that she is not dead, although I do not think so and I hope she is not) and the second, cause she looks like MY (which would explain the father's behavior towards her). I love your take on the matter and it makes sense, it has even made me think that perhaps the appearance of the ghost that MY and her father see is probably not the same, which would also be much more coherent because people's memories are different. However, if that's the case and she is seeing herself in the ghost, I found odd that, for example, she doesn't seem to have a problem looking at her own reflection.

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all it would need is one character in dramaverse to comment on MY and say, you look like your mother..

Did that other editor from ep 2 say that? that's enough proof that even if someone else is playing mother, we still get the logic in place as to why dad would try to kill his daughter

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Mom used to write murder mysteries right?

'm thinking mom needed real life experience to write the dramas.. still skewing towards mom being the murderer of KT's mom

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i'm convinced there is no supernatural elements at play here. what we've seen so far can be easily explained away as things moon young and her father experienced within the confines of their minds. given how the show is deliberate about visually interpreting the world from the perspective of mentally ill characters for the viewers, it makes perfect sense to me.

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i doubt anyone thinks there is supernatural involved..

Question is.. e.g. in dad's case.. is it living mom.. or cerebral projection of fear

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"And this ties into Joo-ri's words about Mun-young destroying things she wants; I think Mun-young is seeking salvation but darkness in her ends up destroying the very things she tries to get that salvation from. This is actually quite typical for people suffering from borderline personality disorder, for example. They WANT their partners to "save" them but their deep fear of abandonment often causes them to destroy the relationship."

Like when young MY ripped the butterflies in front of a young KT, she was showing him her darkest side to scare him away though she was desperately hoping he wouldn't.

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A reference from a film: a deaf and dumb hero often takes his best friends and tests them by doing something very dangerous to them. Everyone turns away or runs away thinking that they might die. In other words, no one trusts him until her meets the girl who unlike others continues to hold his hand throughout the experience. She is the one who trusts him implicitly.

I think baby MY was testing baby KT when she does what she knows scares people away: tear 🦋 wings apart. It makes people think that she is cruel... but is she? She doesn’t kill the ant with her sandal before the barefoot rain walking sequence. Butterflies don’t feel pain so even if she tears their wings apart she is not “hurting” them in one sense.

Is this me defending MY? Maybe... sorry. :)

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Butterflies do not feel pain but that doesn't make it ok for her to take their life, so her actions to me are still wrong. I understand what you mean that she was testing him. I think as humans we can relate, when we show someone the ugliest part of who we are and that doesn't scare them away it's a sort of reassurance that perhaps we could open up to them. It's a way of trying to protect oneself from potential hurt and abandonment.

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Of course it doesn’t. Though in this particular case I think tearing butterflies are her way of dealing with her trauma just like ST’s method is to run away or hide from them.
She keeps living her philosophy of facing the bad.

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I’m in love with this drama. MoonYoung is such a great vibrant character. She’s not always right but I find myself rooting for her.

Joori’s confession made me suddenly realize how an unwanted confession or consideration can be a burden to the the person receiving it. While everyone will say that MoonYoung’s behavior is out of line most people will sympathize with Joori but while the manner was different they were both asking something of KangTae that he was not willing to give. Just because Joori was polite and acted nice it doesn’t mean it wasn’t an imposition.

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Unwanted confessions are a burden to the one receiving them, but it may be the only way for the person to confess to know they have a chance, because the world is full of people like myself who would never EVER read the signs, not even how big, loud and clear they are.

Not in this case. KT is a smart and observer and he knew about JooRi's feelings (well, he and all the neighbourhood!!) and was really kind to decline his confession. I actually liked that JooRi was brave enough to start that conversation so she's not just feeling a victim (which is something I hate). She can see KT is attracted by MY and know she knows he's not attracted to her, so let's see how she behaves from now on.

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I’m not saying all unwanted confessions are bad. it can be a pleasant surprise. In case of Joori, KangTae clearly indicated he knew and that he doesn’t feel the same way. She chose to go ahead and then talk about how he shouldn’t run away and make her sad. That’s when it went from asking for a chance to an imposition. She is explicitly asking him to behave a certain way and you can tell that it is an effort for him.

I have watched many dramas and rooted for female leads who have claimed to “just quietly love without any expectation” but they always do. In a way it was an educational moment for me because the show is taking all tropes we know (and sometime like) and showing it from a different perspective.

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I rewatched the scene and you are right about that second part, although I wasn't really seeing it as an imposition, I understand it can be.

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I think that's more of saying that don't make me regret or judge myself just because i confessed..

imagine, you muster courage to confess and then that person just starts ignoring/avoiding you instead of handling it maturely and kind of forgetting about it so things can be normal

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Except, JooRi did a lot more than confess. She engaged in emotional blackmail/manipulation after her confession was rejected in order to pressure KT into continuing to keep living with her and working with her. That is placing a huge burden upon him.

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The confession scene was a realistic and sensitive portrayal for me :)
I felt for Joo-ri in that scene. However, they used it brilliantly as a trigger for MY to make her move: Sang tae oppa would you like to have some fun with me?
It means that MY felt that she might not get what she wants and her interests were threatened by Joo-ri. It means that she realized that GT would never live with her of his accord because he had promised Joo-ri?

The big question now is: will MY push him (GT) away and let him leave when the butterfly murderer makes his/her presence felt?
What does MY feel towards ST? Is ST just a tool/means to get to GT? What does ST feel towards MY? Is there a love interest/crush developing/already existing there?
(Ok too many questions instead of just one :D )

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I really like the rejection scene a lot. It was a necessary step for KT, imo, in order to drop the runaway mentality and accepting himself (and others) as they really are, rather than him just wanting to avoid her confession. He still found the situation uncomfortable, as anyone in his position would do; but am glad he chose to reject her clearly and that JR was willing to take responsibility for her own feelings, helping ease his burden. As a matter of fact, I do not think she was completely unaware of her love been unrequited, but she certainly believed the they were close and therefore had hope for something more, and in cases like this is better to be straightforward (which is not KT style at all). Yes he is a great observer and a very sensitive person, but that alone doesn't make you empathetic, as you can use that perceptiveness to avoid a lot of "unwanted" interactions only to protect yourself, dismissing other's feelings in the process, which is exactly what he's been doing since he met her (treating her politely after all those years in order to keep her from getting too close to him, just look at his expression when she ask if they are close, he knows what he's been doing). On the other hand, by rejecting her, he choose to acknowledge her feelings, and, while making his own's clear, he is drawing the line properly, which might be rough for her but is the right thing to do, specially since she is an acquaintance. So...from now on, I expect they can truly grow closer and make the friendship works, who knows, maybe JS will have a chance to win her heart.

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I have to say, i realize why I haven't gotten my heart dropped for Kim soohyun up until this episode. He's so cold that I couldn't swoom over anything he did (not even to Sangtae) but that very moment he put his hand on Moonyoung's Cheek AAAAAAAAAA MY HEART and MIND MELTED.
Anyway, I gotta say I get a little bit disturbed on how Moonyoung acted this episode as far as using Sangtae but haven't we seen her literally doing everything to get what she wants? Using Gido? Background check? But idk the moment he used Sangtae it felt like she actually is using Kangtae's weakness. Unless.... She had another point which I will discuss in next Episode's recap.

Ah... Kim Misook is really what bring joys and tears to a drama, in this one she's on the lighter part (yet) and I'm so happy for it. With how Juri acted, i think as the exact opposite of Moonyoung, Juri tends to cling to what she wants because with that Mom by her side because she's somehow.... Spoiled. I don't mean it in a bad way, not at all, but I have no better word to describe it. It felt like the only bad memories she had in her life is Moonyoung which is why she is so stuffy around her.

I hate to admit it but both Juri and Moonyoung are obsessing over a guy that have no interest in them, but why do i feel like it's okay when it's Moonyoung chasing over him but I feel a little bit annoyed when Juri subtly get possesive over Gangtae? I guess that's the beauty of story telling.

Oh and I think Moonyoung's father also suffers sleep paralysis just like her? But tbh, why do they keep hiding Her mother's face..... Does it mean that we're actually gonna see a familiar face.....

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IT'S KIM MIKYUNG OMG MOM I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGET YOUR NAME

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I'm with you about the mother, its suspicious... and then episode 6 happened to get me even more confused.

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I think I agree with you about her being spoiled. Not in the traditional "getting everything I want" kind of way. But we see the mom calling MY her mirror and her other half. Every token or mention of love is followed up with or started with the mom being creepy and possessive AF. So far the only time we see baby MY smile in the flashback is when the mom tells her that she loves her. Which is an all out creepy scene. Now she equates love with creepy possessiveness as its the only kind shes ever known (even, when you think about it, a celebs relationship with fans can be considered creepy with how obsessive and possessive even noninsane fans can be). This is the only way she knows how to love and be loved.
I think most spoiled people get what they want because the spoiler loves them and wants to see them happy. MY gets what she wants after being hardcore abused. A classic abuser strategy is to give gifts, show more affection after the act.
But MY knows that isnt normal so shes trying to not be abusive but manipulative is all she knows. Thats why I feel as equally bad for her as I do for KT. He knows how to smile at his brother no matter how hes feeling to make it easier for him (KT) to keep ST happy and a happy ST is easier to move around so that they can continue to live peacefully. Just like KT shes using the tools that she knows how to use to get the result that she wants.
Its just not working...yet. Or as quickly as she would like it to.

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I don’t think the show will ever show the mom’s face because that’s not the point of the story. It’ll be better and more interesting to just keep her as a shadow.

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that would be a very interesting writing choice!

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Also giving a sense of creepiness all uneasiness alltogether,hearing only her voice and silhouette.

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Wow that could be possible! It's really eerie how we never see her face tbh

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we root for moon young's pursuit of kang tae against joori's because we can see that he is deeply affected by the former. even though he fights it mightily, it's clear that he feels a very strong pull to moon young, and has since the very first time they met at his previous hospital. same can't be said for joori, who seems to have been quietly chipping away at his walls for years with no luck.

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See I find both Moon-Young AND JooRi equally manipulative. BUT Moon-Young's manipulation is a lot more tolerable to me as hers is a lot more overt. JooRi feels a lot more icky. The way she used emotional blackmail to wheedle a promise from KT not to stop living and working with her (after he rejected her confession) made me dislike her immensely.

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See, I've been trying really hard to find what's different, but I really can't find any at least until Kangtae began to see the vulnerability in Moonyoung. And he was able to see that because Moonyoung kept showing herself to him whereas Juri was rather keeping anything about herself. I think that was why Kangtae started to see something in Moonyoung, but honestly before that? Kangtae lived his life with no difference until Moonyoung persisted on bothering him. Which again, I see no difference from the way Juri subtly pity-tripping Kangtae about her feeling.

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@immawish my two cents: I think there was an (physical) attraction between GT and MY from the first meeting between them as adults.
GT just didn’t want to give in to it as he has no time for high maintenance creatures like MY. MY of course wanted gratification... in episodes 5 and 6 they show that this gratification that she is seeking is more than just a physical one. Earlier I had wondered that if it is only physical then what happens to GT! But this is a Kdrama so that won’t happen :D

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GT is sexually attracted to MY. And I think if that could be shown then we could see why GT wants MY but how she is all wrong for him at all levels. So he is afraid of sleeping with her because then he would be involved even if he didn’t want to be.
They keep hinting upon it.

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@immawish,
I, too, suspected that both Dad and Moon-young experience sleep paralysis.

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It rarely happens but I've experienced it before as a child (around 8 or 9) after my grandmother passed away.
The sense of choking  and desperately trying to speak but words don't come out is real. (Ye-ji is doing an excellent job here).
In my mind,  it  felt like some evil spirit was holding me down because that's what I was taught as a child by my religious grandmother. Satan is the evil spirit and Jesus is the light. 
It didn't accompany any nightmares  but being awake and not having control of my body for a minute or even less was scary enough.

I think that the feeling of being abandoned (due to death) by someone who really loves me and who always treated me warmly and kindly was the trigger because I never had it before until she died.

I think the choking is most likely from the sleep paralysis but someone with mental illness would not be able to differentiate what's real from a nightmare.

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@kiara <3 <3 <3,
What a horrible way to wake up. Thank you for sharing your experience of this strange condition. I agree that Ye-ji's performance is excellent. The look on her face during the scene of the hovering night hag was really convincing.

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perhaps, from having been through the similar/same traumatizing experience? 👀👀

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fear of unknown..

how deep set mom fear is in mY.. this helps..

same as "He who must not be named" invokes more fear than "voldemort"

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I was also surprised that Dae Hwan could see/feel that ghost, and giving the fact that was choking it could only be MY's mum. Is she a real ghost? Is there anything paranormal? I still don't think so. This show has been talking about mental health in a good way, showing us on every episode a different one. I really wouldn't like MY's behaviour to be explained by a ghost.

I also find the way MY considers KT her possession a bit too much, and she crosses the line almost every time they are together, BUT the fact is that KT needs her to cross the line. I mean, he even told JaeSoo he's forgetting things. It's a good thing he starts focusing on himself or other than ST. Maybe it's not the best therapy ever, but the results are good.

Regarding JooRi, I have to change my opinion of her. I still don't like her (at all), but I just don't see her anymore as an evil character. I want to explain: from the beginning this show was labelled as a rom-com and I couldn't understand why, but there are lots of comic elements in it: the OK hospital, the editing company... characters like Nurse Park, Dr. Oh, Sang In and Seung Jae... I'm deciding JooRi lies in this category. It all my change of course, haha.

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I totally agree with you.
This drama has been showing us how those with mental conditions are seeing and experiencing things, so I think that's also what they're doing with MY and Dae-hwan's interactions with the ghost.

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You made a very good point about MY going a bit too far with KT for his own good - they may alternatively push and pull with each other, but it’s heading somewhere that’s better for them both. MY is emotionally stunted from her childhood, hindered by both her parental trauma and personality disorder, so she’s certainly not going to pursue or confess to someone like a normal person. And KT is so dead set in his ways that he seems to think that taking care of his brother is the only purpose in his life, exactly like how his mother wanted it to be. If MY doesn’t push and push and push him to his limits, he’ll never break off from his norm, so her interference in his life is almost necessary at this point. The drama knows that, and it really is beautiful to watch how two deeply broken people slowly but surely heal each other of their psychological wounds.

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In my point of view, the show is the depiction of life, so no makjang, birth secret, no supernatural stuffs... it just borrows supernatural and horror elements to tell a story. All in all, it’s a story about human, what’s going on in their heads and their overcoming psychological obstacles.
I also didn’t like Joori, and my intuition was right that she was fake and pretending to be good. But now with the revelation of her immature side, i’m kinda like her as a character.
I stopped putting MY on my moral scale because i just couldn’t LOL. You’re right that she can be too much (common sense speaking) and it’s what KT needs. I mean, his best friend (what’s his name again?) knows KT should live his life and stop being restrained by his situation, but he (the friend) clearly doesn’t know how. His warning to not stay close to MY to me feel like a restraint on KT to overcome his situation. The friend clearly doesn’t understand KT either

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jaesu adds an interesting perspective here, bc he has also advised kang tae to put himself first which is essentially the same end result that moon young is trying to incite from him. jaesu, being the good friend that he is, tells him what he thinks he needs to hear, without offering a concrete way he could employ to get there bc there's no easy answer to that quandary. and it's more comforting to speak in broad strokes, without acknowledging the uncomfortable things kang tae would have to do to prioritize himself. moon young throws words at kang tae like daggers, like they are meant to hurt and remind him there is a greater pain in refusing to show himself the kindness he reserves for his brother only. so yes, moon young is absolutely crossing lines and not respecting his boundaries, but i am not sure i agree with jaesu that this isn't exactly what kang tae needs right now.

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lol. this show is setting up MY as a very effective psychiatrist/psychologist..

She seems to cure people in 1 encounter over our beloved Dr. OHJ.. who seems to know his art but clearly MY's sensibilities over 6-7 years of professional training

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Ok, but let me just talk for a sec about how much I love when Kang-tae turns it around on Go Moon Young like he did with the Zombie Kid story. I love how he gets when he's confident in the effect he has on her. Every now and then he tries to entice her and draw her out, to a place where maybe he can accept this draw he has to her. Though, more often than not, he remains untrustworthy of the sincerity of her emotions, he seems to recognize that there is an undercurrent of genuineness, but not one that she can honor or inform her actions in the way he needs. If he will require her to look outside of herself to come close to earning a chance with him, this relationship could work. He doesn't feel the need to hold back his frustration with her because of her condition.
 
I think this distinction helps differentiate his role in her life from the caretaker one he's had for his brother. He doesn't have to be careful with her feelings or guard his expression, because that is often the only way to get through to her. He gets to let go of the strain that the requirement of carefulness with his brother inevitably brings.
 
Kim Soo-hyun's acting was great in the scene with Jae-su, especially right when he was asking him to keep reminding him of all the responsibilities he has, so he can never forget. I could feel that tension between love and resentment from him. With Moon-young, he gets to forget for a while the necessity to perfectly guard certain emotions while trying to magnify others (like his love and need for his brother) to fill his emptiness.
 
I think Jae-su is a great friend, moving along with them, supporting them, but I wish he would see how his words can be damaging, even if his caution surrounding Moon-young is warranted. I do have to wonder why he's giving his friend who works in psychiatric hospital such a one-note intertpretation of "psychos", when Kang-tae would obviously have greater understanding of them than he would.
 
LMAO Sang-jin is so loyal and Go Moon-young couldn't care less. Such an unfortunate soul, this one.
 
Thanks for the recap!

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I agree about Jae-soo. You’re a good guy and all but ugh can’t you see how miserable your best friend has been this whole time?? He’s right to be wary of Moon-young, but the way he told Kang-tae to not do anything that was unlike him... let the poor guy have a life!

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I see concern of a friend, but also another perspective. A previous comment I made about last episodes mentions this,and something that comes up in the 6th, I think there is a deeper feeling driving JS reactions. I could be reading it entirely wrong but we will have to wait and see how it develops

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I think it's also includes himself as he basically followed them all this time having very little bounds aside from the brothers...Maybe deep down he also might feel like he would be abandoned as selfish as it would seem considering Kang Tae's life while he was an amazing friend it was still a choice he made for himself to follow...

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I cant say from before the drama but for right now, I really don't think Jaesu can see! Hes so blinded by his crush on Joori that all he can see is GT making all of these choices for then"psycho weird girl" when poor sweet precious JooRi is right there begging for a chance. It sucks when you cant have what you want. It sucks even more when what you want is being offered to someone else and they dont appreciate it

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You make a great point here. Even beyond his personal reasons for liking Joori over Moon-young, there is stability and support in the living situation her and her mom provide for all of them. As some comments are touching on above, while it might seem as though Jae-soo is sacrificing his own life, traveling around with them, for him, it's become his life, his family. In some ways, he probably depends on them just as much as they do him and doesn't want to lose his place in their lives.

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I'm enjoying Kang-tae and Moon-yeong's interactions. She's witty and I like how saying whatever she wants makes their time together always interesting.

That scene when Kang-tae and Moon-yeong are lying down is a powerful one. Kang-tae is starting to open up. He's saying things that he has always wanted to say and I appreciate how the drama used Sang-tae's face reading to explain Kang-tae's actions. That conversation is also where misunderstandings about their childhood is clarified and I'm glad it's done this early in the show.

In the drinking scene, every little movement of Kang-tae says something, and I was holding my breath. When he said "I'm being forgetful these days" I think my heart stopped. I feel bad that even his feelings for someone have to be suppressed, but of course we understand why.

I've never liked Joo-ri, but it's funny that I seem to start liking her a bit when she was crying to her mom. Maybe because for the first time, she's showing her feelings and some personality. I like that her past with Moon-yeong is significant and also used by the drama as a way to show a professional's relationship with a patient. And once again, Nurse Park's comment has been instructive (I particularly liked how she discussed Kwon Ki-do's case and him being an assemblyman's son in episode 3). I'm looking forward to more of her wisdom-sharing.

Regarding the ghost who choked Go Dae-hwan, I think that's also the mother's effect on him. I agree that she's been that powerful that the trauma she caused to her husband and child has stayed with them long after she was gone.

On a lighter note, Kang-tae chose Jae-su this  episode hahaha

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I felt exactly the same way about the drinking scene between KT and JS. I almost cried. Such a heartfelt confession.

And as I said before, I'm also changing my mind about JooRI. The scene with her mum is actually the first time I liked her in the drama.

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The drinking scene did a superb job of having Kang Tae say nothing and everything at the same time. Really smart writing.

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The current scoreboard for the ongoing skit of 'who do you like more, me or "x" ' is -
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Jaesu 1 : Kang Tae 0 : Sang Tae 1 : Moon young 0

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Those scenes where he opens up to MY and JS were so sincere, you could feel how hard it was for him to say those things out loud but also the relieve. KSH is just sooooo good, I do not think any other actor could have played this character. Also I think that scene with MY is the first time that I did not felt the sexual tension between them, it was just a very personal moment shared between two people who have a powerful connection.

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Wow wow wow, so much to talk about. Especially with developments that happen in episode 6. But I'll of course refrain from divulging on those too much in this post.

1) The revelation that Kang Tae has known that Moon Young is the girl from his childhood this entire time adds a lot of meaning to past conversations. What was his reasoning for expressing to her that he liked that girl and regretted how he handled things if not to covertly express that there are lingering feelings and regrets he still harbors towards her in the present? This combined with the tenderness of the hand-to-cheek scene... it seemed like an apology for calling her empty and emotionless before. Or at least that he was trying to say that he understands her.
2) While it may hurt Moon Young in the way that he expresses it, I do really appreciate Kang Tae's insistence that Moon Young doesn't treat him like an object or a possession. I think this is really important for their future development as a couple. Additionally, while considering others' feelings is important, I also like that Kang Tae doesn't walk on egg shells or soften his words with Moon Young like he does with everyone else in life. He doesn't need another person he has to repress himself around.
3) I think Moon Young studying the emotion chart while Kang Tae was still asleep really speaks a lot to how much she values Kang Tae words. We saw this when she agreed to walk with her father despite being rightfully reluctant to and look how she ended up getting treated :(
4) Moon Young's mother and her apparent disapproval and fear tactics used in relation to MY interacting with Kang Tae really adds another layer of complexity and f***** up-ness to their relationship. Imagine being a child with two abusive parents and having to worry that the first person to show you love & affection outside of that environment will be killed because of their feelings for you. No wonder she retreats when Kang Tae shows her any glimmers of sincere feeling.

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Another thing I appreciated: when ST was chasing the director around the hospital and the lovely elderly patient made a comment about the wrong people wearing gowns in the hospital. It was a well-made observation that what society deems "acceptable" and "normal" is only one perspective. Everyone has things that make them "not okay" in the eyes of society - we need to consider again whether society is making the right call.

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@kate88hammond I felt the same way when I watched that scene.

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There is so much insightful writing in the small places throughout this drama. Thanks for reminding me of that part.

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Thanks for the recap minion!
here are my two pennies on this episode:
1. at the beginning of the beer-drinking scene the "closed" sign was shown. And In the end it was shown again, however it had a "not" written on top of it with a marker. What does that mean and who wrote it? Also if it's an insignificant detail you should not have made me notice it drama and let me make a fool of myself. hmmmpphhh....

2. This has to be the best of Kim Soo Hyun's works. I haven't seen REAL thnaks to its messy premise but drama-wise I am loving every bit of Kim Soo Hyun. He is not only using his face to portray Gang Tae but his entire posture seems to be on sync with the character. My Appreciation level as a fan has reached a new high. ANd his stylist has made all of my fantasies come true regarding his outfits. I would love to have that shirt damn it! However, if only I could contact the makeup artist to leave his eyes alone. WHAT IS EVEN THAT BROWN SHADOW LINE THINGY AT THE CORNER OF HIS EYES!! It's a friggin eyesore (literally) and (s)he could have easily made his eyes prominent by drawing a more subtle lower eye line close to his lashes. I am not a beauty guru or anything but this is 2020, the world has finally become appreciative of all forms of beauty and found ways to highlight each form's individuality. No one needs that weird nod to the 2010 kdrama makeup style anymore.

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I think the close sign was in reference to Kang Tae's realizations about his feelings. He was closed before, but now he is not quite open, but he is no longer closed.

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*chef's kiss* your comment is perfect man! Now the hint makes sense. I took it literally thinking someone was there.

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@kafiyah-bello That's an interesting take on that scene. I really wondered why that "not" closed had been included.

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To be honest I only thought of it after @playstore mentioned it, it made sense in the context of their conversation, also the writer and director seem to be incredibly deliberate in everything they do.😁

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Yes!!

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I looked up the definition of antisocial personality disorders and it was interesting to find out that this type of disorder is one of the rare one which is growing up on you when you're a child and the environment, family is sculpting the child's mind in the way of a real "psycho". I think that the writer is heading this way and it was clearly told in the animated narration in the first episode that there was this shadow all the time following her until Kang-tae arrived and later it came back. It's interesting and we can see this kind of impact on the whole society where money are more important than humanity and empathy.

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My theory is Kang-tae knew Moon-young's name all along, which means every time Sang-tae read her books, Kang-tae knew his hyung's beloved author is the girl he liked. Wouldn't everyone know the name of the family living in their town's castle? I'm shocked Moon-young forgot young Kang-tae had brought flowers to her mansion.

"나 니 거 아니야" ought to be translated as "I'm not yours" versus "You don’t own me." If he heard since "I love you," then Kang-tae knew Joo-ri slapped Moon-young. Of course Moon-young would think he was taking Joo-ri's side, but outsiders like Joo-ri understand why he shouted only her name. I wanted Kang-tae to notice Moon-young got slapped like she did when the assemblyman slapped him, but it wouldn't be Moon-young to not cause a scene. How did she get home? I had hoped he would find his money on the ground.

Even though Moon-young asked Kang-tae to smile at her if it's so easy, she ought to treasure the fact that he doesn't have to force a smile around her and can be himself for once. I expect Kang-tae's first real smile where he finally smiles with his eyes to be because of Moon-young. Like he confessed to Jae-soo, he forgets about all his worries when he's with her.

Thanks a million for the recap, @SailorJumun!

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MY's mother is really scary even if we didn't really see her yet but her husband and her daughter have nightmares about her.

For KT, I though he knew who she was when he talked about her eyes, then it looked like a coincidence and I thought only her knew the truth but both of them knew...

I like Joori she likes a nice guy and being shy she never told him but she successed to invite him in her town. Now there is this rich and beautiful (that is the combination to get all you want in Korea) who overturns her plan.

For me, MY crossed a limit when she used KT's brother to get him after hearing Joori's confession. Until now, I didn't care about her behavior because first it's kinda funny and secondly she's not always wrong but using ST was very mean even from her.

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hahahaha...that motel desk clerk is probably the director's nod to all us sitting here watching these two characters going...just kiss already!!!..hahahaha!!! with popcorn of course!!😅 😂 🤣

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That whole scene was soo enjoyable.. MY seriously considering the 'add-on' services being offered while GT trying not to keel over at the face of combined ambush from the clerk and MY's obvious appeal...I just about died when he held up erm protection when MY had GT cornered. The director loves to have audience stand-ins to cheer them on - the mental hospital patients in the prev episode and the clerk in this one :)

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and that Kabedon (wall slam) was melt your knees perfect...i wonder how many takes it took them coz im sure they laughed atleast a few times in that scebe

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I must admit to worrying about Sung-hoon's cameo because I didn't want to see him as another mental illness patient so it was a relief that it wasn't the case.  
As soon as I saw Bates Motel  my psychological thriller alarm went off. I was expecting a Norman Bates behind the desk but I love the unexpected humor here.
Well done show!

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@kiara,
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw "Bates Motel" on the sign out front. I shudder to think how their fantasy rooms are decorated. ;-)

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@pakalanapikake
I never thought I'd ever see a Bates Motel in Korea period.

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@kiara,
It really makes me wonder about the clientele. ;-)

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Thanks for another quick recap @sailorjumun
Gah..this show's gonna get me in trouble. I'm digging the off kilter humor and how well it meshes with the dark realities of our leads.
*MY directly quoting the zombie kid's dialogues to his mom when GT came to her rescue..Chills.. It was interesting how vehemently she denied GT's take on the zombie kid wanting warmth. ZK is clearly her stand-in and she refuses to be equated to deeper emotions than the base level of hunger she shows for anything in life.
*I also loved how she warned GT not to put "words in her mouth" . it's essentially what all of us viewers are doing and I consider myself suitably chastened.
*So Joo Ri has been bland so far, but she suddenly became interesting thanks to MY. Similar to GT, JR is also wary of MY, coz she seems to bring out the hidden self in these 2. Also dug her suuuper petty response to MY's sleep over- she's mad GT only yelled at MY and not at her..I can't... Mom's straight faced comment that the whole neighborhood knows of her crush on GT..muhahahhaa..
*MY's momma is turning out to be quiet the mystery. Her constant insistence that MY is mini-her & 'special' and how she's to be hidden away from the world - a combination of Miss Havisham & Mother Gothel, eh @turka
*I am excited that SJ is now calling SI names to his face. JinJoo's always been A+ in any role I have seen her in so I am happy she's being pulled more in to the leas direct orbit now.
*Yay, Jae Soo got to be GT's favorite for a day.
*Am I the only one getting a bit worried about hyung's attachment to MY? I always thought he liked her platonically but with how upset he got with her not wearing his clothes during the sleep over..Please don't break ST's heart, show.

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I've also been a tad nervous about MY's relationship with ST. KT can definitely hold his own with MY, but it would be a bridge very much too far in my book if MY took advantage of ST in any way. That said, I don't think that's the case because I think that MY realizes that she and ST are very much alike in a very important way: they don't dissemble. They are both, open books, albeit for different reasons. So I get the feeling that, while she may not be entirely conscious of it, MY understands that she and ST are kindred spirits in a way. And maybe ST does, too, because MY's books clearly speak to him. Right now she tends towards the indulgent with him, but I sense a potential growing affection and even protection - does she see herself in him, and by learning to care for, protect and value him will she by proxy learn how to do the same for herself?

I'm super curious to see how this plays out. And, as you say, they'd really better be careful with this relationship. Because as much as I'm willing to be Team MY, bad behaviors and all, any cruelty toward ST is full stop unacceptable.

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Oh yes...I don't think MY has any malice in her heart against ST and does seem to genuinely like him. Your comment about her recognizing a kindred spirit might be spot on. She had the same indulgent tone with GD two EPs back when he was enjoying the heck out of the car ride and then finally speaking his mind and wreaking holy havoc among the normies. I won't b naive enough to say those acts are purely meant to be selfless as MY always gets her pound's worth with any action. In GD's case, it was seeing the polite society all atwitter coz of some uncomfortable truths, in ST's case a large part of her interest is definitely to keep GT close by. But she does seem to have a soft spot for those 'othered' by the society. I really hope she grows to be a true ally to ST.

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What's really unlikeable about MY is that everytime Kang Tae is teaching her something important, she always acts dismissive about it, pretending not to hear him or flat out saying that he's being boring. That shows in this ep. when he shows her pictures of emotions sang Tae had to learn to detect other people's emotions. It was annoying that she didn't listen, but writer turns it around when Kang Tae reveals to her how he had to practice pretending to smile for his brother even though he was hurting. The ff day moon young stares at the pics (with a bored to hell face), perhaps trying to remember the details.

I think there's hope to rehabilitate her character if given the chance, she at least tries to put in the effort, she just needs someone who would put in the effort to reach out to her (at an emotional level) because flat out teaching her the basics would all be thrown out the window fast. Now, is it Kang tae's place to rehabilitate her? Probably not, the guy already has enough in his plate. It's still best to seek a medical professional for that. But this is a kdrama so let's watch the ~PoWeR oF LoooVe~~ heal these characters. Heh

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Oh man, while this show has slowed down its use of creative and inventive scene transitions (which doesn't surprise me, those require a *lot* of work and are probably time consuming) the emotional hits just keep on coming.

I like how this show's motif of people leaving a lasting impact on you is both used figuratively with Mom who is still haunting her husband and daughter even as she is presumably long dead (and while sometimes it feels like maybe people should call an exorcist, since Mom seems especially daunting, it's also pretty clear that this is likely a result of trauma) and literally with the scar on Kang Tae's hand which is a literal visible reminder of Moon Young's impact on his life. Also it's the only scar that's pretty much always visible for him right? Every other scar he has is hidden behind cloths, but Moon Young's scar could only be hidden if he always wears gloves.

And I do really feel for Kang Tae, because Moon Young is hardly the easiest person to be around, which just adds to the mountain of stuff he has to deal with. But he also can't let go of her, because as we now know, he's known who she is and as the opening of the first episode showed, she left a lasting impact on him which was probably compounded by the fact, that he lost his mother so shortly afterwards.

And while she is not very easy to deal with and most people would probably bail, I do think it's very easy to see why he is still drawn to her. He has an incredibly nurturing persona, as evidenced by the fact that he a) cares for his brother and b) chose being a hospital orderly as his job. It's just so ingrained for him and completely second nature by now that he can't not do it. And as he says, with her he is able to forget everything else on his mind for once, even his brother, which probably doesn't happen often. And that's probably why he can open up to her too, in a way that he can't open up to anyone else.

Another thing I really liked about this episode is the call back to Romeo and Juliet at the end, plus their whole baggage about his ~return to her cursed castle, where he ran away from her for the first time in his childhood probably, but this time he is entering. And it's an additional call back to their earlier scene where she called them Romeo and Juliet and this time she is even on a balcony.

This is just in addition to all the other fairytale allusions made so far.

I furthermore love that we haven't seen Mom's face yet, because we don't even need to, nor do we need to know what exactly she said to tiny Moon Young to make her scare away baby Kang Tae, because Mom is like every dark thought we've had turned up to 11 and to me she is even scarier as an unknowable spectre.

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I also really liked the Romeo & Juliet line. Mostly because I found it a smart and funny quip from Kang Tae—turning MY's obvious romantic allusion to essentially "You're being a pain in the ass right now." Ha! 😂

I didn't think about the fact that the Rapunzel allusions could also relate to R&J. Fits even more when you think about MY's mother and her threats.

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Yes to the Romeo-Juliet call back! Any thoughts on what the heck MY meant when she said they wouldn't have died if only both Romeo and Juliet had drunk the poison?? I was as lost as GT and actually paused the video to think it through.
And yeah, I missed the clever scene transitions and whimsy too. Was glad we got a dash of the other world view with hyung's 'conversation' with the mounted deer head(whose design choice was that btw, mother dearest or architect dad?)

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If I remember correctly, Romeo killed himself because Juliet drank a sleeping potion (in order to appear dead to their families) without telling him and he thought she was really dead. She woke up and found him dead and killed herself when she realized the mistake. MY's point was that if R&J and both just taken the sleeping potion (i.e. hinting to KT that they should both just go to bed) R&J would still be alive.

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Yes that's how I remember it also, Juliet took a potion that let her appear like she was dead and for some reason Romeo doesn't get the message that Juliet is just faking it (which they did try to get to him iirc), and then they both truly kill themselves in the end because of misunderstandings.

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Ahh yes. Thank you for explaining it.For some reason in my head it was Romeo faking the death and Juliet drinking the actual poison to die. Ergo the confusion! Really should a done a Google search instead of puzzling it out in my clearly thick head. 😅

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@Meep "I furthermore love that we haven't seen Mom's face yet..."
After reading your comment, I'm now getting serious Portrait of Dorian Grey vibes 😨😨

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I'm too missing the transitions between scenes, but I'm so immerse in the story that I barely realize they are not. And still the editing is really good (both image and sound).

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I like how this episode has the balance of comedic timing and seriousness.

The priorities of characters here are so funny. When Sang Tae got annoyed with Kang Tae for making Moon Yeong wear his cheap shirt instead of Sang Tae's dinosaur shirt, I was like, what??? I thought he was going to throw a tantrum because Kang Tae lied to him. Also when JooRi wouldn't leave her bed because Kang Tae shouted Moon Yeong's name and not hers or the fact that Kang Tae addresses Moon Yeong in banmal while he addresses Joori in cheondemal even though they've been friends for so long. That's hilarous.

Thank you Jung Sang Hoon Ssi for perfectly portraying the feelings of the viewers while watching Moon Yeong push Kang Tae to the edge.

I think the ghost in here is only both in the minds of Go Dae Hwan and Go Moon Yeong and when he chokes Moon Yeong, I have a feeling he was trying to kill his wife and not his daughter.

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Also, Seungjae taking the perfect opportunity to slap her boss in the face after he fainted was great haha

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She did it twice. I hollered, she needed that, poor woman.

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Love Seung Jae character... Park Jin Joo is so good in playing such characters 🥰

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About the ghost and the choking: totally thought the same as you, Dad was trying to choke Mom, not her... Also, it looks like both MY and Dad suffer from sleep paralysis. Doctor Oh mentions that the figure she stole from his "shrine" helped him cope with his sleep paralysis, but it obviously didn't help her in the cursed castle... Finally, on ep 5, we see her sleeping peacefully with KT's t-shirt hanging on the window like a dream catcher

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I think the sleep paralysis is spot on. Every time MY saw the woman floating above her in bed, she seemed frozen in place. Yeah, she shook, probably from fear and/or from struggling to awaken, but it seemed like she was unable to move even though she really wanted to.

Also, I think you're right about her dad seeing her mom instead of her, and maybe that's why he's so afraid. I think he killed her and that's why he asked, during the scene where MY goes to take him for a walk, how she's still alive, or something along those lines.

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Also, Sang In waking in the sauna with the towel in his head!!

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A moment I loved: when KT is still sleeping and MY is standing in front of ST's card of emotions studying them. I think it was so sweet, because she doesn't have a clue but just for KT and for the first time probably she's willing to try.

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Yes, totally. I feel like the show is doing a great job of showing very subtly how MY is cautiously trying out the concept of trust with KT (like where she "keeps her word" to visit her dad because of him, and later in that scene early on in episode 6 - don't want to spoil). I also like how her trying on her vulnerability for size comes in fits and starts - I don't think even she understands why she feels so compelled to try for him, and I really like how it's messy and awkward for her because that's real life.

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The episode had so much lol moment. Even Joori's tantrum was funny. Both the ladies are annoyed that Kangtae only shouted Moonyoung's name. Darkness definitely is still there but sporadic but it's lighter than the previous ones though Ep 6 dialed it up.

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Turning out it be one of my most favourite dramas!!!! ❤️❤️❤️

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Mine, too! It's refreshingly different!

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It’s so great to have Mun Yong as character being portrayed in mainstream media. What a delight to watch! I am getting a very wholesome experience out of this drama 😊😊😊

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@tazzo The same! Great drama :)

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I wish it did better in ratings in Korea.

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Early comment: I love this drama in every way. As someone with a more schizoid personality, who went through periods of depression and hypomania, and studying to be a psychotherapist one day... this drama is everything I’ve ever dreamed of. I love the fairytales because symbolism, metaphor, and imagery have always been the highway to my emotions. Nobody can get to me except through my eccentric languages. I’ve always felt lonely, like nobody could ever understand me, and like I had to hide the way I was different. My friends are my books whenever I’m stuck at home cos like Moon young I had controlling mother figures who didn’t let me out but didn’t keep me company as well. I’ve always wanted to be held and feel someone’s warmth the way I needed and not just fed like the Zombie kid. One day, I hope someone could come to my “cursed castle” as well and make it a home. This drama gives me hope as I continue with my process of healing (therapy and psychiatrist)... and maybe one day I’ll find my prince, too? Cos we all deserve love, right?

I don’t want to spoil the next episode but the end of ep 6 was everything my heart desired for this drama and also my life. My heart is breaking but also hopeful as well.

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@elledanielle I'm glad that you're finding comfort in this drama ♥

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Thanks for sharing this. I'm so glad you're enjoying this drama this much 💗

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This show Is Love 😍
The entire Motel Episode apart from swoony, hilarious showed KSH ability to portray fine emotions like embrassment, vulnerability etc
Special kudos to child actors, hospital staff of this series 👍

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I’ve watched that scene where kang tae karate kicks the door shut multiple times. The main reason being because of how LONG that entire scene is, with no cuts. I love it - the three actors did amazing!!! Makes it feel like we’re almost watching a stage play, which could be the intention since Romeo & Juliet was a play. We’re now watching it play out (hehe) in front of our eyes. Would love to see the bts, or even how many times they had to shoot it without laughing (especially poor jaesu getting his hair pulled)

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Of all the long shots I love this one the most. And nod to your comment about the scene being a play it was shot in a theatrical way. Like how the stage pans out and audiences don't get to see close ups of the faces, shadows cover the actors when needed, we don't get to see what's the actors' faces if they're behind a curtain/door etc. And the way Kim Soo Hyun used voice modulation to convince Moon Young to open the door. It was perfect! I was glad they didn't show SYJ when he was pleading. Would have ruined he seamless scene otherwise.

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When KSH started pleading in his "nice" voice and SYJ opens the window and declares "I opened it", I died. We got to miss out on KSH's exasperated face but I really enjoyed the scene (and the kicking and hair-grabbing) as well.

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LOVED the long shot and theatrical approach. I felt the urge to get a better look at their faces, but no, this time the audience had to wait for it. Really nice staging.

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I've just rewatched the scene after reading your comments, and yes. It was exactly everything you're pointing out.

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Ah the famous balcony scene :).
Would have been hilarious if their conversation was in formal sageuk language too.

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Great recap, @sailorjumun! Really liked how you tied both scenes (the warm hand touch and Rapunzel flashback):
"It’s like anytime Moon-young is close to feeling vulnerable or warm, her mother pulls her back into that dark place.", I didn't realize it when watching, but now that you've pointed that out, makes total sense!

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Just my thoughts: I have tried to like this drama, but I can now see that it is truly not for me. Although I like the way it’s being recapped over here but it is not definitely worth me watching them. I might just stick around for the recaps and look for another drama to watch.

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Whew this drama keeps getting better. I look forward to Saturdays. That being said. The beginning scene was hilarious..First, off the " Bates Motel" then the cheeky hotel clerk ( Jung Sang-hoon) and his smile and suggestions but would i love is how Moon Young was nodding in agreement saying " I like this place". pfttt 😂🤣😂🤣...
Next, I am glad @sailorjumun mentioned it but when Kang Tae brought Moon Young home and his friend stopped over and he karate kicked the door shut.. I LOST IT 😂🤣😂🤣...Oh and Moon Young rolling over to Kang Tae's side of the bed was hilarious... I mean can we blame her? Kim Soo Hyun looks delicious with wet, curly hair. My favorite scene though was the fight scene with Joo Ri, I think Joo Ri has some pent up rage herself and she totally started that fight even though MY was baiting her. I am glad MY pulled her hair but I have to admit, I hate Joo Ri a little less now. Kang Tae yelling at Moon Young and speaking to her in Banmal and only looking at her shows the viewer at least, who the only woman is in Kang Tae's eyes. I think Kang Tae does like Moon Young but he scared that she is just as " needy" as his brother and she plays with love..she treats the words I LOVE YOU like its a joke and to Kang Tae, those words are no joke. Dont say it if you dont mean it.
I will admit MY was wrong to manipulate Sang Tae but I still love her character. I actually was more bothered by Sang Tae revealing he knew who she was.. How he was able to lie so effortlessly or hide the fact that he knew her, that actually bothered me a little. Especially, in retrospect when you hear all the conversations about the girl he used to like with Moon Young.. Say what you will about Moon Young but she has pretty much never hid anything... Also, the story that Moon Young tells Sang Tae about how the little girl was waiting on the prince and you see Moon Young smiling for the first time racing down the stairs when he came and then the way her smile dies when she sees her mother.. OMG.. 😐😮.. I knew the Mother did something or said something to make MY reject Kang Tae when they were kids.. I think MY was trying to scare him away ( pulling the butterflys) to make him go away.. probably to save him from her crazy AF mother..

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ROFL.. Yes, me too!!! HAHAHAHAHA.. I was laughing so hard plus his friends reaction.. 😂🤣😂🤣

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Thanks @sailorjumun for the quick recap!
Moon Young is a force of nature to be sure. Kang Tae may just need more pull for him to finally give in. I always suspected that he knew who she really was, maybe not immediately, but eventually KT recognized who she really is. He is a smart guy so MY should give him some credit.

Young MY as she walked down those stairs seem like any little girl, happy and full of hope in meeting her "prince". I wonder what poison her mother said for her to do an about face and throw those flowers and breaking Young KT's heart.

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