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Flower of Evil: Episode 1

Lee Jun-ki is back in Flower of Evil, a psychological thriller in which he plays a husband and father who isn’t as perfect as he may seem. This show is smart, exciting, and terrifying, with characters that I know I’ll love, and others that will lurk in my nightmares for a long time to come.

EPISODE 1 RECAP

A man struggles in a swimming pool, his hands and feet bound, and bleeding from a head wound. The ropes around his wrists are tied to a ring at the bottom of the pool, keeping him just an inch from the surface. Eventually he stills, and falls unconscious.

A woman jumps in and tries to lift him, but he’s stuck there. He opens his eyes and looks at her, and as she kisses him, we hear their thoughts:

Him: “Should I tell you what kind of person I am?”

Her: “I’ll love you even more from this moment on. I’ll be good to you. Then before you know it, everything will change in a way that seems unreal.”

Elsewhere, that same couple engage in a heavy makeout session (RAWR) in a metal shop, while sexy music plays. Eventually the woman, CHA JI-WON (Moon Chae-won) realizes that she’s late and starts rushing to leave.

She fusses at her husband, BAEK HEE-SUNG (Lee Jun-ki), teasing that this is all his fault. He jokingly fires back that she’s the one who got caught up in the music. They’re planning to see his parents tonight for his birthday, and Hee-sung notes that Ji-won seems excessively concerned with impressing them.

On the way to dinner later, Ji-won explains that she wants to have a better relationship with her in-laws, plus they’re the grandparents of their daughter, EUN-HA (Jung Seo-yeon). Eun-ha whines that Grandma is scary, and when Ji-won says there’s no reason to be scared, Eun-ha points out that Mommy is scared of her, too. HA, smart little peanut.

Hee-sung’s parents do seem pretty terrifying, greeting his family with angry expressions. They’re clearly unhappy to be there — they’re openly rude to Ji-won, and they flat-out ignore Eun-ha when she’s prompted to greet them. They don’t sing when the birthday cake is brought out, or comment on Ji-won’s gift to Hee-sung, a new leather watch band engraved with his initials.

Ji-won takes Eun-ha to the restroom, leaving Hee-sung’s mother (Nam Ki-ae) to snarl at him for showing off his perfect family, but he just replies that they could have declined the invitation. Mom asks angrily if his life feels like his own now, but Hee-sung says, “It was never once mine, so I don’t know how that feels.” Hee-sung’s dad (Sohn Jong-hak) slams down his glass and orders them to stop, reminding them that they’re all in the same boat.

Ji-won returns and lets Hee-sung know that she’s been called in to work. She apologizes sweetly to her in-laws, but Mom accuses her of being vindictive because she wasn’t welcoming enough in the past. Hee-sung stops Ji-won before she gets caught in an apology spiral and assures her that everything is fine, so she heads out.

Later, Eun-ha is asleep in her daddy’s lap when Hee-sung’s parents bring up the subject of Ji-won again. Hee-sung says softly that he and his wife are made for each other. Mom sneers that he has a dirty past and he’s married to a detective, and she laughs like it’s the funniest thing she’s ever heard. Hee-sung says that Ji-won believes what she sees, so he only shows her what she wants to see, and he tells his parents not to worry.

Ji-won was called in for a case involving a young boy named In-seo who was found in his apartment building’s stairwell with a bad head injury. When he woke in the hospital, he’d accused his father of trying to kill him.

He’s a hefty boy, and he says that his father was making him climb the stairs for exercise. When he asked to stop, he claims that his father called him disgusting and kicked him down a flight of stairs, then left him there to die.

In-seo’s father, KIM SANG-IN (cameo by Yoon Hee-seok) was arrested, and of course he says that he’s innocent. He’s questioned by CHOI JAE-SEOB (Choi Young-joon), Ji-won’s partner, who thinks it’s unlikely that a young boy would lie about his father attempting to murder him.

According to Sung-jin, he was helping In-seo to exercise on the stairs when he got a call from a friend to join him for drinks. He says he sent In-seo home to his mother and would never harm his precious son. Jae-seob leans over to sniff Sung-jin’s clothes and determines that he was drinking and eating barbecue earlier.

Jae-seob is convinced that Sung-jin is guilty, but Ji-won points out the slippers he’s wearing, which don’t fit, indicating that he ran out of the restaurant quickly when he heard of his son’s accident. Jae-seob says that she puts too much trust in physical evidence and doesn’t use her instincts enough (um, shouldn’t detectives rely on the facts??).

They look to maknae IM HO-JOON (Kim Soo-oh) to be the tiebreaker. Ji-won casually mentions how Ho-joon once said she’s his role model. Jae-seob yelps that Ho-joon said the same thing about him, making poor Ho-joon backpedal like crazy, ha.

Meanwhile, a reporter named KIM MOO-JIN (Seo Hyun-woo) interviews Sang-in’s wife, who admits that Sung-jin can be strict and doesn’t like it when plans change. Ji-won interrupts so that she can talk to the wife, and Moo-jin proudly shows Ho-joon the sensational title of the article he’s writing (“Hatred for his Obese Child: The Father Who Made His Son Walk the Stairs of Death”).

Ho-joon says that he enjoys Moo-jin’s articles, especially the one about the serial murders in Yeonju City. Looking unsettled, Moo-jin turns the conversation back to Sung-jin. His pen runs out of ink so Ho-joon lends him a very fancy one, saying that Ji-won’s metal craftsman husband made them for the team. Something about that information interests Moo-jin.

In-seo’s mother, Ae-young, is pale and drawn, and she seems distracted as Ji-won starts asking her questions. She insists that her son isn’t a liar, but when Ji-won insinuates that her husband might be guilty, she yells that her family is fine.

Ji-won, Moo-jin, and Ho-joon discuss the situation later, and Moo-jin is now convinced that Sung-jin was after his son’s life insurance money. Ji-won says that the policy doesn’t even pay out until In-seo turns fifteen, but Moo-jin counters that there doesn’t need to be a grand motive — he knows of a man who killed seven people and buried their bodies in the woods just for fun, including his wife who was planning to leave him.

He finds it interesting that the killer was a metal craftsman just like Ji-won’s husband. Ji-won gives Moo-jin one of Hee-sung’s business cards and offers to get him a fancy pen in exchange for a good mention on social media.

At home, Ji-won tells Hee-sung how strange it is that Ae-young has a son who’s accusing his father of trying to kill him, yet she claims that her family is perfect. She thinks there should have been signs that something was wrong, and she wonders if Ae-young is ignoring the truth or covering it up.

She asks if Hee-sung’s parents were angry after she left, listing all of the qualities that they should like about her — she’s got a good personality, gave birth to their granddaughter, and has a good job. She feels bad that Hee-sung’s relationship with them is strained because of her, and jokes that she’d never have seduced him if she’d known.

Ji-won heads back to work and watches the CCTV camera footage of the parking garage in Sung-jin’s building. She finds the moment when he’s leaving, and he’s wearing his own shoes and seems calm and relaxed.

Moo-jin re-reads an article he wrote about the serial murders in Yeonju, which he attributed to a man named Do Min-seok. Apparently Do Min-seok committed suicide, though nobody knows why, and it’s heavily implied that his son, Do Hyun-soo, may also be a murderer. He takes a call from someone who claims to have seen Do Hyun-soo recently.

Moo-jin’s pen dies again as he’s taking notes, so he dumps out his bag to find another one. It’s tangled with a broken necklace, which reminds him of the pretty high school girl, Hae-soo, that it belonged to.

Hee-sung’s mother is a pharmacist, and he goes to her store and tells her to call Ji-won and make it crystal-clear that she will never like her. He says that as long as Ji-won thinks there’s hope, she’ll never stop trying, so it’s safer if she believes there’s no hope.

Mom flies into a rage and shrieks that she has rights over his life, but Hee-sung says gently that she only has rights while he lives as Baek Hee-sung. He tells her that it’s better to stay away from Ji-won, because she can’t put on a convincing act like he can.

While checking the apartment building’s CCTV feed, Ho-joon and Ji-won find footage of a little boy entering the elevator with his dog around the time of In-seo’s accident. The boy looks agitated, so they think he might know something.

Meanwhile, Jae-seob visits the office of Doctor Bae, the friend of Sung-jin’s who called him out for drinks the previous night. He’s surprised to find that she’s a woman, but she says that she and Sung-jin treat each other like guys. She says she was too drunk to go to the hospital with Sung-jin, and Jae-seob sniffs her and agrees that she reeks of alcohol.

He searches in his pockets for a business card and “accidentally” drops a handful of coins on the floor. He asks Doctor Bae to get the coins that rolled under her desk, and while she’s upside-down, he swipes her phone. He takes it to a guy he knows, who pulls out the SD card and retrieves her photos.

Jae-seob isn’t at all surprised to find photos of Doctor Bae and Sung-jin together, acting like much more than friends. When he’d sniffed Sung-jin, he’d smelled a woman’s perfume, and he’d smelled that same perfume on Doctor Bae.

While watching over her son, In-seo’s mom takes out a bottle of vitamins and opens it, then throws it across the room when she finds a cockroach inside. Ji-won determines that the cockroach had to have been put there on purpose.

She identifies the boy from the elevator footage as living in her building, but it takes her a moment to recall his name. As they talk, Ji-won silently takes in Ae-young’s disheveled hair, pale complexion, and unevenly-buttoned sweater.

Ae-young says that her husband and son are very close and even go hiking together often. A text comes in from Jae-seob telling Ji-won about her husband’s affair, but Ji-won chooses not to tell his wife about it yet.

Hee-sung is working in his metal shop when Moo-jin walks in, looking for someone to fix the broken necklace that was in his bag. He asks for Baek Hee-sung, but when Hee-sung turns to face him, both men freeze for a long, tense moment. Moo-jin calls Hee-sung by the name Do Hyun-soo, and something very frightening flickers in Hee-sung’s eyes.

Moo-jin stammers that he’s surprised to see Hee-sung/Hyun-soo because he was looking for Baek Hee-sung, Ji-won’s husband. Hee-sung smiles the creepiest smile I’ve ever seen, and offers Moo-jin some tea. (Aside from Hee-sung, how freaky is the music in this scene??)

Ho-joon accuses Ji-won of not telling Sung-jin’s wife about the affair because she feels sorry for her, but she says that it’s because it’s irrelevant to the case. Another text from Jae-seob says that according to a colleague, Sung-jin has been asking questions about divorce and seems especially distressed about child support.

Speaking of, Moo-jin looks extremely sweaty and uncomfortable. Hee-sung says that Moo-jin is holding in the question he wants to ask, and Moo-jin tries to leave, but Hee-sung tells him to ask the question.

Moo-jin says that he doesn’t believe the rumors about Hee-sung, but that on the same day Hee-sung disappeared from their shared hometown eighteen years ago, the village foreman was murdered. At Hee-sung’s prompting, Moo-jin asks if he was involved in the murder.

Ji-won and Ho-joon talk to the little boy from the apartment building, Ji-hoon, who says that he was walking his dog yesterday and briefly lost him. He’d found the little dog in the stairwell, barking at In-seo. He says that his dog bit In-seo once so In-seo is afraid of him, and that in his fear, he’d tripped and fallen down the stairs.

Ji-hoon says that In-seo’s mother threatened to have his dog put to sleep if he bit In-seo again, so he didn’t tell anyone. Ji-hoon’s mother agrees that Ae-young is very tough and meticulous. Ji-won calls Jae-seob to tell him to release Sung-jin, but Jae-seob still wants to know why In-seo would lie that his father tried to kill him.

Hee-sung tells Moo-jin that everyone already believes he killed the village foreman, since the murder weapon was found in his backpack. Moo-jin says that Hee-sung should turn himself in and clear his name, but Hee-sung just asks how Moo-jin knows the cops are still after him. Okay, he’s officially scaring me.

Moo-jin is also pretty scared as he trips over his words, saying that he’s a reporter so it’s his job to look into such things. He tries to leave again, but again Hee-sung stops him to ask if he’s planning to go to the cops. Moo-jin says he’s not, and Hee-sung changes the subject to ask if Moo-jin is married and about his job.

Ho-joon has a toothache, so he and Ji-won stop at a pharmacy. Ji-won looks at the brand of vitamins that In-seo’s mom takes, and at first she finds nothing strange about them, but then she opens a bottle and finds that instead of the white pills that were in Ae-young’s bottle, the vitamins are supposed to be yellow.

Everything she’s seen about the woman flashes through her mind — how Ji-hoon’s mother said she’s meticulous, yet Ji-won has seen her acting frazzled and distracted, with her clothes in disarray. They hurry back to the hospital, and Ji-won sits next to In-seo and tells him that she knows he put the cockroach in his mom’s vitamin bottle to stop her from taking them.

She also says she knows why he was lying, and that it’s time to tell his mother the truth. In-seo’s parents are escorted from the room, and In-seo tells Ji-won that his father is a good dad to him, but that one day when they were hiking, Doctor Bae joined them and he saw her give his father medicine to slip to his mom.

The medicine makes Ae-young slow and out of it, so that even when she found lipstick on his collar one time, Sung-jin was easily able to convince her that it was paint. The plan was to make it easier for Sung-jin to divorce her, claiming that she’s incompetent so that he could get custody of In-seo and avoid paying child support.

In the hallway, Sung-jin seethes and threatens to sue the police for coercion of a statement from a child. Ji-won just arrests him for infliction of bodily harm towards his wife, and while Ho-joon takes him away, she stays back to tell Ae-young the truth.

Meanwhile, Hee-sung wraps up a teapot that he made, admitting that it’s a bribe to keep Moo-jin from telling anyone he saw him. He asks Moo-jin to write down his address so he can ship the teapot, then closes the blinds, turns up the music, and locks the doors. Oh no…

Ji-won talks with Jae-seob and Ho-joon, wondering if Ae-young knew about her husband’s affair and plans. Ho-joon doesn’t think she did or she wouldn’t have taken the drugs, but Ji-won muses, “Certain truths destroy your life in an instant. You know that truth will be revealed eventually, but if you could delay it by just one day…”

She says that she would take the pill, just to put off the inevitable. Jae-seob agrees that he would even take poison if his wife gave it to him (Ho-joon: “What’s with you married people? Now I don’t want to get married.” HAHA).

Hee-sung’s mother calls Ji-won and she steps away to take the call. Mom opens by saying that she hates Ji-won, that she isn’t worthy of Hee-sung, and that she’s just like her mother who nagged her father to death. Damn. She continues, accusing Ji-won of trapping Hee-sung into marriage by getting pregnant and telling her that they should think of each other as dead.

Ji-won cries, but she keeps her voice calm as she asks his mother not to tell Hee-sung about this conversation because it kills him that they don’t get along.

Speaking of Hee-sung… back at the metal shop, Hee-sung grabs Moo-jin and strangles him until he passes out. It takes a long time, but Hee-sung’s expression never changes from his frighteningly calm demeanor.

When Ji-won gets home (they live above the metal shop), she finds Hee-sung and Eun-ha playing while they make dinner. Hee-sung is the picture of the perfect husband and father as he hugs his wife and daughter, and their loving embrace turns into a cute tickle fight all over the house.

Downstairs in the metal shop, there’s a door in the floor that’s kept closed with a heavy lock. Under the door is a basement room, full of electronics and children’s toys… and Moo-jin, bound and gagged on the floor.

COMMENTS

Holy cats, now that’s how you do a premiere! We have lies, intrigue, murder, kidnapping, and an antihero that I already love to hate. If you had told me before I watched this episode that I would ever find Lee Jun-ki creepy as hell, I’d have laughed myself silly. I’ve always thought he had such a sweet face and kind eyes (not to mention, he’s super pretty for a man), and I’ve seen him on enough variety and interview shows to know that he’s a very gentle person who is unfailingly polite and respectful. But his portrayal of Hee-sung(/Hyun-soo) just proves that he’s that good of an actor, because my god, I’m terrified of him. There’s something about that calm, hypnotic voice he uses when he’s talking to his mother in particular that just gives me chills down my spine, and that’s before we get to the kidnapping and (almost certainly) murder. (Side note: you know a character is scary when you see that he kidnapped someone, and your first thought is, “Oh it’s fine, he ONLY kidnapped him!”)

Speaking of horrible people, are Hee-sung’s supposed parents awful or what? I get their strategy to keep Ji-won at as much distance as possible so that she doesn’t grow suspicious of anything, but they sure are good at it. And they’re not much nicer to Hee-sung in private, either. Clearly, whatever happened in the past is a huge source of anger and frustration for all of them, so much that it’s caused serious rifts between them, but I don’t yet understand why they don’t just cut ties if only to protect themselves. For that matter, I wonder if they’re even his real parents… if Hee-sung is really Do Hyun-soo, and the son of Do Min-seok who killed seven people, including his wife, then committed suicide, then Hee-sung/Hyun-soo’s real parents are dead. And if this is the case, then who are these people posing as his parents?

At this point, we know that Hee-sung is not the person he seems to be, but we don’t know for sure that Hee-sung committed any murders — his father, Do Min-seok, apparently killed several people before killing himself, but there’s only circumstantial evidence linking Hee-sung to the village foreman’s murder. For all we know, he might be innocent, though with Moo-jin’s kidnapping it’s not looking likely. I don’t think he’s a sociopath — I do feel like Hee-sung loves Ji-won, because he’s said things like how they’re perfect for each other to his “parents,” the only people he could tell the truth if his marriage was only a cover. He does seem genuinely happy and in love with her, though that could all be an act, and it’s another testament to Lee Jun-ki’s acting that even though we know he’s a very dangerous man, I still want their relationship to be real. Plus, whatever he and his parents are hiding (and I do think it involves the town headman’s murder, and probably much, much more), it’s sufficiently horrific that all three of them seem to have taken on new lives and identities, so Hee-sung must love Ji-won or he wouldn’t risk all that. Right? Right?!

I already like Ji-won a lot — she’s a smart woman who adores her family more than anything int eh world, and she’s excellent at what she does. I enjoyed watching her piece together the real story about In-seo’s accident, proving that she’s got more than her fair share of intuition and problem-solving skills. That makes it that much sadder that Ji-won has been fooled so completely by Hee-sung for so many years, and it’s a nod to his skill at playing the character of her husband that she doesn’t suspect anything. The whole conversation about how Ji-won would choose to take the pill if her husband gave it to her, and delay knowing the truth, was a huge hint at what’s going to happen to her very soon… when she starts to notice that Hee-sung isn’t what he appears to be, will she trust her instincts, or will she “take the pill” and choose to stay in the dark?

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"Side note: you know a character is scary when you see that he kidnapped someone, and your first thought is, “Oh it’s fine, he ONLY kidnapped him!”" THIS.

It's terrible, but I found myself condoning his actions not just here but in the second episode too, and hoping that he doesn't go all the way and kill the guy. Lee Jun Gi is a talented, talented man.

Also, that very first scene makes me believe they're going to try and redeem his character somehow, like giving us the ok at the very beginning that we're supposed to like this guy. But I still don't totally buy it, and I'm SO excited for this ride. Not only does he do a great job with the duality between perfect husband and cold killer, he also has GREAT chemistry with Moon Chae Won, so I'm excited to see how that develops.

I feel like I can see some genuine attachment to his daughter though (more on that in the second episode) and that makes me wonder if a part of the tension in the drama will come from someone making threats against his family.

Are his parents his real parents? How did they get this setup? I'm so curious!!!

Finally, thanks for the recap Lollypip, I've been waiting for this so much :)

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I do think the very first scene could be the final scene (or at least one of the final episodes)...so it would show that at some point HS sacrificed himself for his family...but maybe I am reading too much into it, and it really is pretty early to be sure of anything, but here I am already making theories...
About the parents, it's a strange story too... especially knowing a bit of HS's past in episode 2 (no spoilers I know), so I was very intrigued with that set up also (we'll see how this develops...)
I also feel a genuine/real/authentic attachment to his little daughter (although it could be all an act, a very good one, indeed), and it, once again, bring us a controversial topic: could be psychopathy "genetic"? or it depends on how one has being raised? is a person evil or "made" evil?

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To me they are clearly not his parents. First, he tells his mum he can only have him as long as he's Baek Hee Sung , and second when Kim Moo Jin recognizes him and calls him by his real name, we know he's the son of the serial killer, so the dad we saw was not his dad.

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Truth. I agree I doubt they're his real parents (at least definitely not his dad, although his mom seems to be a bit more attached to him)... so who are they, and how did they all end up connected??

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I don't see how the woman can be his mother. The background info we have is that his father, the serial killer, killed his wife and 6 other people, then committed suicide. So both of Hyun-soo's parents would be dead at the time we meet him as a teenager, being bullied by classmates, including the nosey reporter.

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I don't comment more in this early stage for now: There are way too many mystery here. but I have a feeling that the "serial-killer husband vs. police wife" set up is an illusion for us audience. Hee-sung/Hyun-soo may no doubt be a serial killer's son, but is he himself a serial killer as well? I would wonder he may not be more than just a person who happened to be born in a wrong family, and he maybe seeking revenge for himself or his father. For Ji-won, I also have a feeling for her——that she may not be a good person? I have that feeling not in Episode 1, but one scene in Episode 2 (I don't spoil everyone, and I will talk about it in next episode's recap) ...

Well, it will be a hack of a ride for sure.

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Yep in 2nd episode Ji Won gives off a different person vibes. I wouldn't be shock if it's one of the biggest twist in the drama.

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Yaaas I totally agree, let's talk about it more in ep 2 recap!

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I think his parents are fake. He found them somehow, it's mutually benefitting, he probably pays them ----- is metal crafting lucrative? Because it's giving me ideas, I might start a metal business in my basement if I ever go back to lockdown ----- oh, wait...I don't have a basement, damn.

So when the camera panned to that reporter in the basement alive, I was in shock. Why didn't he kill him? Is it a hint that he's not a serial killer after all? I was disappointed, honestly. C'mon, I want LJK to be a serial killer. I'm watching this because the previews suggested very strongly that LJK is a serial killer. And the title is Flower OF EVIL!

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Same here.
And as according to Asianwiki Seo Hyun Woo is one of the main actors, he won't be killed any time soon (double disappointment). How can Moon Jin be set free and not tell the world Hee Sung is a psycho? Will he spend the whole drama locked in the basement?

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I loved, loved, loved the premiere.
Oh, I needed LJK back in my life, and I needed his voice so much!
I love him creepy. I don't care if he's psycho creepy or Dexter creepy.
I'm just loving him.
HeeSung is so intriguing. I'm not convinced by this episode that he actually loves his wife or his daughter. Not at all. So far I only believe he finds them convenient. As for his parents, giving what we've learned, I guess they are not his biological parents and that they are a cover and were invented to build Baek Hee Sung past.
They look pretty creepy, so maybe there is an association of creepy people that can contact each other and create families in case they need them? Wild theory, but why not?

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And can I say you can feel how much fun is LKJ having playing this role?

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Well, most people in the acting bussiness say it's much more interesting and funny playing the role of a villain, so... :) I love LJK, and loved him as a hero, but I am also loving him as an antihero (for now)...waiting for some other actors/actresses that we're use to watch as "candy"/"good boys in a real villain role (ex. LMinHo I am looking at you! hahaha)

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Oh what a theory: an association of creepy people to create a family/back up story when needed!!! how did you think of that? ;)

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I wonder about his connection to his daughter with the scene of him holding her while she sleeps. He might just be playing the role, but he was rocking and patting her and holding her close.
He could of just held her as he didn't need to play act in front of his "parents".

I'm not sure what the connection is with the parents, but maybe he took the place of their real son.

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i do wonder about that as well. He seem to genuinely care for his daughter. Eun Ha also adores him the most. so maybe his attachment is real.

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She is such a daddy's girl. I'd love them to show flashbacks to when she was a baby. Just to see how he tries to read her cues.

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I'm thinking his relationship with is his daughter is at least somewhat solid and that he truly cares for her if not for Jiwon. That scene and the many others that showed up in this episode gave me the feeling that there was something more to their connection than just playing a role. I'd be interested to see if that eventually becomes his downfall and his sole "weakness"... or if that connection is all just another really good acting job and something happens where Heesung chooses to forgo any relation with Eunha...

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It will be interesting if/when Ji-won discovers at least his lack of emotion if she will think their daughter is safe around him.

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My initial thought is she wouldn't not only because it's her daughter but also because it seems like family is a touchy subject for her already (from the mention of her dad) so she'd probably do everything in her capability to keep her family safe. However, that little foreshadowing moment with her colleagues might also insinuate that she will try to write it off and hide it from Eunha just to preserve the family atmosphere they have.

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I am also thinking he took the plac of their son. I am also wondering about their social class. When they appeared for the dinner they had dressed very upper class. Esp the mom looke every bit the rich lady our for dinner. But I'R'L, she's a pharmacist? And I may have misheard, but in the phone call to JW she definitely said something like you are not good enough to marry son of some director. She definitely isn't one but may b it's the husband who's the director? Now years of K-dramas have taught me that wives of directors (esp of her generation)usually don't deign to work sooo I am not really buying it. Ofc if she is one of the rare ones who works then kudos ,also vat a drama to choose to break that particular mold 😂 TL;DR my head's spinning at how deep the web of lies goes and it's only the premiere episode... 💫

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I don’t know in ask, but in my country the owner of a pharmacy is usually a wealthy person, as pharmacies needs social permits to open and are generally passed from parents to sons/daughters, so the fact that she appears to be rich it’s because she is. In fact I wasn’t shocked at when we saw she owned the pharmacy.

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I think she was bluffing when she said she/her husband was director to a company.

It is easier to tell Ji Won that she doesn't deserve to marry the heir to a company then telling her she doesn't deserve to marry the son of a pharmacist. Easy way to downgrade and insult Ji Won, and in turn making Ji Won to cease any attempt of contacting them

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There could be a whole drama about this association of creepies helping each other. I'd be into it.

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My theory is the supposed sweet, lovely wife is not as sweet or as uncomplicated as she appears. I believe she is as dark, or darker than him. Her past may be riddled with secrets. She may get rid of the reporter in the basement to protect her husband. And if he's bad and she's bad, that cute little daughter may turn out to be bad, too...

Read a lot of psychological thrillers in lockdown, and the thing I know about pyschological thrillers is this: everyone gets drawn in sooner or later, and even the most seemingly innocent characters have dark, hidden depths.

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Whoa, that would be cool narratively if she is the one who is darker than him.

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Right? I'm totally in favor of this. After watching episode 2 I really want for there to be more to her than meets the eye as well (I'm sorry, I'm trying to avoid spoilers but it was just all so good!!)

It would make sense if there was, and if he knew about it or sensed it too... then I'd understand/buy it more if he turns out to really love/value his little family, because he could relate to her in their "not normal"ness? I dunno. I just love the show so far.

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That could be cool. A psycho cop with a face of an angel.
Ha! It would work for me, but this is dramaland... FL smile and are perfect...
Maybe she won't be totally dark, but dark enough to do something dark enough.

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That's my initial thought after watching episode 2. I don't think she's innocent or clueless as she looks like.

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I don't know that I think she's darker than Hee-sung - I mean, he's practicing normal expressions in the mirror, and we've already seen him intentionally change his ice-cold, chilling facial expressions to one that conveys a normal emotional reaction - but I agree that there was something definitely "off" in her response to the female murder suspect. Part of the disturbing aspect is that it wasn't an immediate "fly off the handle" response, but one that she appeared to calculate prior to taking action. It made me wonder what would have happened if she didn't know her fellow police officer and other officers were listening and waiting on the other side of the door.

Also, the fact that she is so smart, and incredibly observant, noticing tiny, seemingly innocuous details that her fellow officers miss, makes me wonder how in the dark she actually is about Hung-see's real identity/background. It doesn't seem as if they've been married for that long - maybe 6 or 7 years? The implication we've gotten is that she "seduced" Hung-see, got pregnant, and so they married. It sounds as if she was already a police officer/detective when they met and married. So she didn't do ANY digging around in his background? And he hasn't done ANYTHING out of the ordinary during the years of their marriage?

Maybe she knows more than she's letting on, or maybe she is still completely in the dark about his background, but either way, her actions with the female murder suspect were surprising based on the impression we'd been given about her, as being someone who believes in Aristotle's definition of law as being "reason unaffected by desire."

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Perhaps she is also practicing normal facial expressions in a mirror...

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I don't know why i find this comment so funny. Haha It's like practicing normal expressions in a mirror is a something common.

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That would be a lovely twist indeed!

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This premiere was EVERYTHING! I absolutely loved it, was thoroughly scared by LJK's character, and am on board for the rest of the show!

I can't get over how easily LJK switches between his different personas. The contrast between the scene when he's attacking Moojin and when he's playing with Eunha immediately after was so jarring and just made Heesung more creepy.

I also appreciate Jiwon's character and completely agree with everything Lollypip said in their comments. She truly gives her all to her family and would do anything for them. So, seeing that her family life could fall apart once she learns the truth is painful.

Also, with the family, I love their interactions. I think they're so cute and fun together, so the idea that Heesung is just playing with them and doesn't truly care for them beyond being useful to him is hard for me to get over. I mean, it makes sense but dang how good of an actor is he? I do think that there's part of him who at least cares for Eunha if not Jiwon as her parent but I'm not sure...

I do know that I'm so excited for the next episodes and I'm really looking forward to seeing more of creepy LJK!

Thanks for the recap!!

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They are such a sweet unit and he puts so much effort into it.....which is kind of scary but also makes me hope he does it because he likes having a family.
I mean if he is not a serial killer. 🤦‍♀️

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Right?? Like, if you were to see those scenes in any other drama it would be heartwarming and beautiful to watch but that underlying tone of Heesung being (or not being, I don't even know) a serial killer makes them creepy yet still fun to watch. So, now I'm just conflicted on how to think about LJK and by extension Heesung LOL

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Same!! I keep hoping that he just really does value what he has now, so he's trying to protect it at all costs/also he has some trouble expressing emotions naturally. Not sure. Just happy this drama is in existence.

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The only thing I’m sure of at this point is that this drama is gonna be a trip for sure. For everything else, I’m just questioning it all. LOL

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Ohhh I love Lee Jun Ki and Moon Chae Won here. Lee Jun Ki is such a great actor and you can see it on his scenes. Your eyes just gravitate towards him (or maybe because he is just good looking).
Also I love that there is intrigue, lies and secret identities/ past that we will have to sort through. 😆

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Let’s agree he’s a very good looking good actor 😎

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😆 He is both an attractive and very talented actor.

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Ok, so I did some research on psychopaths and sociopaths just now because I was curious which one LJG's character would fall under, and I actually found some really interesting stuff. First of all, both sociopath and psychopath are pop-culture terms, not actually used in diagnosing patients (although there are vague definitions for the terms in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders or DSM). Instead, psychologists will diagnose people with a form of antisocial personality disorder (which, for those of you watching IONTBO you've probably already picked up on, maybe have done some of this research yourself already). Here's a short list I found of traits associated with anti-social personality disorder, see if you can see any of these traits in Ko Moon Young from IONTBO:

(from Psych Central)--The common features of a psychopath and sociopath lie in their shared diagnosis — antisocial personality disorder. The DSM-51 defines antisocial personality as someone have 3 or more of the following traits:

Regularly breaks or flouts the law
Constantly lies and deceives others
Is impulsive and doesn’t plan ahead
Can be prone to fighting and aggressiveness
Has little regard for the safety of others
Irresponsible, can’t meet financial obligations
Doesn’t feel remorse or guilt

That sounds like KMY to a T to me. LJG's character, on the other hand, I don't think matches up with most of these. I think he doesn't have a very strong conscience/doesn't feel remorse or guilt very easily and he definitely lies a lot, but he seems very calculated, not impulsive at all. He also seems very responsible in his obligations financial and otherwise, and while he doesn't seem opposed to violence he doesn't strike me as an aggressive person by nature.

So, very interesting, but it leaves me with a question: what would his real diagnosis be, if not a psychopath or sociopath?

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I dont know that it would fall under either of these but there are also the cases of babies and children who never make an attachment to anyone. I believe there have been some studies done on how it effects their emotional development and ability to feel empathy.

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Also, I dont mind if a character is never diagnosed with anything within the show because then they do not have to follow the rules of that diagnosis.

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Ooh, that's interesting too! Haha it makes me want to research more about that, too... ps I don't mind either if he doesn't get a diagnosis in the show, but we often describe characters like his as a psychopath or sociopath, and I was surprised to learn that might not be accurate.

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True. I think i often use those labels interchangeably and in the wrong way.

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Someone I went to college with has an inherited brain disorder that isn't as severe as antisocial, but does share some of the bonding/care issues. I tried to look it up to remember what it's called but can't find it quickly. His brother and his dad also have it. They are all quite intelligent, but they do struggle with some socialization skills, and have less than average emotional intelligence. It can cause unintentional emotional distancing from those around them and depression as well, depending. The can seem to lack empathy even when they are feeling it.

I've been wondering if Hee-sung has something similar, and that's why he has to practice creating typical emotions and sometimes backpedals quickly from reactions he has to situations.

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He would be (in the now defunct terms) a psychopath, sociopaths are prone to emotional outbursts and impulsive. Psychopaths are able to control themselves and can lead normal lives without people realizing their lack of empathy.

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They don't always have all those traits. He does lack empathy which is the biggest trait for sociopaths and psychopaths. He is lying everyday to his wife, doesn't have any guilt about it, doesn't have regard for the safety of others if he is capable of kidnapping someone like that, and most of all, he seems to enjoy being cruel sometimes, that is also very telling.

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I was wondering if the reason he felt justified being cruel in the kidnapping was because of how he was treated by the reporter in the past. I have a feeling he dealt with a lot of crap from the locals after his dad was identified as the serial killer.

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Yes, at first I thought that too but something about him or maybe everything, including what he did on ep 2, makes me believe he doesn't feel leftovers emotions from this past, so the joy he got from kidnapping situation would be all on him.

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@lixie Hope on over to ep 2 recap and unravel this a bit more please when you have time. I'm not sure if I'm guessing the same scene you are or not, and would like to know before I respond to this because which scene will weigh heavily in my response.

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HOP..not HOPE. *sighs*

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He also seems very responsible in his obligations financial and otherwise,

I think this may not be his real nature, rather it is a result of his calculated moves. Do Hyun So wants to make Baek Hee Sung a good, reliable character, so being responsible is one of the aspect that he needs to fulfill for "Baek Hee Sung character"

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There are many personality disorders, other than ASPD.

In my line of work, I often have clients whose competency (to stand trial) is in question. The ones who have mental disorders that can be treated by psychotropic medication can decompensate very quickly, but when they're arrested and back in jail while in custody, their competency is usually very quickly restored. However, the ones who are the most difficult clients are those who end up being classified as having ASPD. They are deemed competent, because they have no history of being treated for schizophrenia or bipolar disorders, but they refuse to be cooperative. They are usually housed in the unit where they can be under "lock down," have to be escorted by more than one officer, shackled, to and from court and attorney visits, refuse to come to court voluntarily so the court has to issue a "drag order," and will talk and yell during court hearings. It is not unusual to end up having to start a jury trial with a client strapped to a chair on wheels (not a wheelchair, but a chair on a platform with wheels), naked except for a draped suicide vest, screaming and cursing at you and the judge and the jurors. But they are "competent" because they understand their rights and are capable of assisting counsel with their trial. They just don't want to cooperate.

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I really liked this first episode (and the second as well). I know the actors and director are solid but hope the writer really has it in hand. This is the type of story you really have to already know how it ends when you start because you shouldn't be throwing this together last minute.

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Truth. Anybody can start a drama strong, but I hope the writer already has an ending in mind--I think that does wonders for the plot and pacing of a drama.

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No surprise that Lee Joon Gi is riveting in this role. It's great to see his subtle facial expressions when he's looking kind and smiley one moment to calculating and creepy the next.

My immediate thought when I watched Hee Sung and his parents was that they were not actually his parents. Their strange, cold talk was more like co-conspirators.
Dad's comment - ... "they’re all in the same boat."

Geez, seeing Hee Sung attack the reporter was sorta unexpected. The violence was quite the contrast to the cutesy family scenes later. The fact that he didn't kill him makes me wonder about his true self and his plans though...

Moon Chae Won looks so bright and lively? here. I haven't seen many of her dramas and the last two ones I couldn't finish (Criminal Minds and Mama Fairy). I read a comment elsewhere that said she was dumb. I don't agree. She seemed competent at her job. When it comes to her personal life though.... Blinded by love? Hee Sung is good at hiding his private emotions/thoughts.

These two have excellent chemistry. They had to hit us with some supreme kisses before the future conflict.

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This is my grouse. The inefficiency. The shoddiness. Tsk. Tsk. If I were a serial killer, this is what I would do. I would have poisoned the tea. I would have kept a bottle of poison, a gift from my fake pharmacist mother, in the cabinet. I would have waited for the pesky reporter to pass out. I would have got rid of his body somehow. Maybe toss him into a furnace. Metal workers have furnaces, no? Or, I'd put him through a meat grinder like Fargo. I'd do SOMETHING serial killerish. Definitely not sloppy, amateurish struggling over a table top. And for sure, I WOULD NOT LEAVE A SHARD OF BROKEN CUP FOR MY SNOOPING WIFE TO FIND. I would have used paper cups for the poisoned tea. And burn the cup with my trusty metal burner after that. See? No mess. No trace.

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ROFL. Either he's rusty or he ain't a serial killer.

I was eyeing the tea and checking if Hee Sung drank the tea at all or drank it first (he did). But still, the reporter's cup could have been laced with poison.

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@loveblossom @jorobertson

You guys made me laugh. A serial killer who's not serious and rusty *CHORTLING* I watched Episode 2, and boy, it made me more unhappy. I will have words to say about that. Missvictrix griped about how bored she got with the episodic crime sub plot, and I have to say I am totally with her. I feel the A Crime An Episode is not doing it for me. It derails from the main plot which should be centred on, and only on this plot: A Hot Maybe Serial Killer Dude Who Is So Cool He Doesn't Need Goggles Or A Shield When He Works On His Metal (why does that sound so obscene?) and his interactions with his family. Show, I have absolutely no interest in side filler crime stories. It annoys me and makes me feel that I have been misled. I am watching this show for one, and only one reason, LJK the Serial Killer. Not a rehash of episodes of Law and Order or CSI.

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And on a side note, the BD ( Basement Dude) is possibly the best behaved kidnapped victim ever. Like, if I'm trussed up there, and chained up, I would still kick up a helluva noise. I would hurl my body against the pipes, and my head against the floor. I would do something noisy to attract attention.

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I was hoping the tea was poisoned somehow, because only the journalist was drinking it, but it wasn’t and I was also disappointed. Such a great opportunity wasted!

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I don't mind the side plots because the two so far have made two decent points about living with someone who is a psychopath (don't give a *** about correct/not DSM categories BTW - they are all constructs anyway).
A. if certain truths are going to destroy your life, you don't want to see them.
B. some people kill for v little to no reason.
We have also been asked to think about what we believe about so-called serial killers:
Finally - how about the supposedly "normal" people who did dastardly things to Hee Sung? They are not psychopaths? Oops I'm getting into the next episode. Just cut out a chunk.

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I kinda dug the side plots..I think the side stories also serve another purpose...To let us audience know that our heroine is competent anddhas a brain except ofcc when it gets to her creepy hubby.
I am assuming further down the road when HS's 'true colors' start to get revealed , the heroine is supposed to b the audience stand in. Figuring out what's true and what's a lie. The audience would feel soo much more inclined for her to be a stand in if she's shown to be intelligent with a blind spot that's being explained from first episode onwards. Her partner and her husband has already told us that she only believes what she 'sees' aka goes by evidence rather than gut feelings. Leme tell u,I personally would get annoyed pronto if the cop FL was all up in the family business from day 1 and didn't seem to get clued in on the weirdness, but having her out and about in the world and interacting with criminals and showing her cool side sounds like the right move. We can all learn to root for a fool in love but to root for a plain fool would be harder 🤷.
Now are the side stories a li'l too pat and contributory to the drama's setup of FL and ML's pov's? Sure. But they are well acted so far and the detectiv-ing isn't too shoddy so will see how it goes.

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@ashes2ashes I totally agree--especially since they seem to be painting her as someone who's just not as in tune with her family life, period. Which is still sad in any family situation, but I'm glad it doesn't fall into the sterotype of "working dad who's never around and overworked mom" because I do think it's just a personal responsibility thing, not necessarily a stereotype that can be attached to any one sex.

I also think the side plots are meant to clue us in to different aspects of our psycho hubby's life, as she puts away mirroring criminals in her day job.

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That was also me!!!!

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Do you know what hurts and annoys me the most? There was no need to break that beautiful tea set. And I can tell you that a real psycho would have gone mad when BD didn't collaborate and would have killed him because he was attached to that set. Because I would be. And when you like china/pottery nothing else matters.

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I'm with you. I really hate it when people break beautiful pieces in dramas and generally make a mess. I'm watching Mask at the moment and the mother has just had a screaming fit and destroyed the room. All she did was make a mess for the staff to clean up. It didn't change anything. I can usually tell now when a table clearing moment is coming. But beautiful china is crossing the line.

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Dramas be making us question our inner demons (imagining being a serial killer and what to do got me 🤣)

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Mmmm. I've had to restrain myself and my murderous impulses several times, especially in episode 2 😈😈😈 Discovering my inner psychopath

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Please do not invite me for tea

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🤣🤣🤣 You're fine if you keep to the rules

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He couldn’t kill the reporter immediately since the metal working shop would then be immediately suspect for anyone following up. He’s has to create a significant amount trail showing th reporter was up and about after his visit to the store. The real hole is the reporter’s cell phone. Any police investigation would show the cell phone in use at the store when the reporter was supposedly elsewhere.

Kdrama writers need to read some modern techno thrillers to understand how the world works now a days...

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Now you are not only thinking like a detective but also like a serial killer (maybe even a successful one - but I guess that depends on what you judge to be success)

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From his physicality (5 stars!) in LAWLESS LAWYER a couple of years ago and checking out his instagram account I found out that Lee Joon-gi is a serious student of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. To me that brief struggle with the reporter (especially on the floor) highlighted his training in that area.

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No question, but it was a risky messy strategy.

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I get it now. The messy, risky scene was to demonstrate the fluidity of LJK's body and his beauty, contorted facial muscles, bulging eyeballs, stretched limbs and all. THAT'S the real reason why he never poisoned the tea.

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@yyishere, you almost made me ruin a perfectly good keyboard as I was drinking tea when I read your comment. =D

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@yyishere you forgot to add his sharp jawlines into the list.

Oppa gotta look pretty even when he is busy strangling someone else

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Okay, I think he lied to his parents. I think he does care for his wife and child, because if he didn't care, he wouldnt have kidnapped the guy. He kidnapped the guy to protect his life that he has. I don't know if Baek Hee-sung’s evil or not but I do think he loves child, I think he cares for his wife too but I am not 100% sure. He told his parents that his wife is easy to handle but I don't think so, I think he doesn't want his parents anywhere near his new family.

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If he's faking his feelings for his wife, he's faking it for his child as well. He could have set out to deliberately make the girl fall for him and marry him, have a child, all for the purpose of crafting the image of a new identity and a happy family. Every emotion is fake, and the only thing that is real is his cold-blooded logic: to avoid being found out, to do whatever possible to make sure his past stays hidden. I think he ran because his father was a serial killer, and I think he will kill now, in the present, to prevent that fact from coming out.

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Well I hope they don't go that route.. He seems genuine for his daughter and the show is a mystery-romance so .... I just think that he had a really messed up life and that he is a sociopath and he is just trying to live a normal, happy life. I mean the guy was stabbed and had rocks thrown at him, I am guessing his childhood was pretty miserable. I don't blame him for looking for a fresh start. I think he struggles with emotions but they are there, so I do think he loves his daughter and I think he cares for his wife too ( maybe he doesnt even know it). Its pretty hard to FAKE everything.. some of it has to be real

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I agree, but I want to see the extend of his lack of emotion. Does he really feel nothing towards his wife and daughter?

There is a scene in Ep 2 that makes me very curios about this

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Was his father the real killer? Or did he just take the fall for his son, and to seal the deal, committed suicide?

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I was skeptical but first ep was really good and second wasn't bad either. Some excellent creepy vibes from Lee Jun Ki. He’s a fine psycho, evil little smirk, subtle menacing ways, superiority beliefs, switching personalities on a dime. Let him stay a psycho show! I don’t want him to have some evil parents or to be redeemed by the Power of Love! Since he doesn't understand how to display emotions properly and seems to enjoy his evil moments I don't think drama plans to pull a twist on his nature as a psycho. I’m very intrigued by how appalled his parents seem to be by his act and how he feels about his disguise. I wish the wife was as smart as she was presented to be, she should have valued more the reason behind the child’s accusation. I wonder if it’s MCW acting style, her superficial effect, if it was Kim Sun Ah maybe that smug smile could have meant she had other ideas about the culprit since the early investigation, but then again maybe that is exactly who this character is meant to be, a person that is only smart on a very superficial level.

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Superficial is the word. I am not connecting with the FL, sad to say. I don't FEEL her.

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We all need to have this drama go the way of Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

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I believe that's what her character is supposed to be and i think there's more to her character. Like again, she's smart and very attentive. She could not be completely clueless about her husband or she could just be pretending too. Just a hunch tho.

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The first scene shows an underwater kiss between LJK, supposed Bad Guy, and his detective wife, and I just had a thought that maybe she strapped him to the bottom of the pool to kill him, but then I remembered she jumped in, and tried to lift him up, but gave up. So she kissed him, and I know it's sad and terribly romantic, but I can't help worrying that he's like, drowning, and possibly dying....and another thought struck ----- she's kissing him because she knows there's no way out, she's kissing him for the last time...that thought, and the voiceover in LJK's beautifully deep, resonant voice ----- well, it made me sad again.

LJK, I want you to be a real killer. No faking it. I want to see into the mind of a serial killer. And, most of all, I want to see LJK ham it up as a serial killer.

LJK has this eternally elfin, boyish, beautiful appeal. He took my breath away in that black turtleneck. The combination of his beautiful, delicate flowerboy good looks with that deep, deep, melodic voice is just so unexpected. Like you don't expect THAT voice to come out of an almost anime-like, waifish being. It's a study in contrasts, and the result is staggering.

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Same here, I thought it was not a kiss, but giving him some air.
Also, why isn't she carrying with her a knife or some tool?
Maybe it's her the psycho and she's really kissing goodbye?

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After all, Hee Sung told his parents that they are a perfect match. So maybe we have a psycho happy marriage?

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I would lorve it if the show went that way. He thought he was setting up the perfect cover but she's two steps head of him. She nabbed a cop job on top of a perfect family to hide the psycho inside her ...Like the show 'Americans' but fo psychopaths.. 😂

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The comments under this drama might just end up being the funniest.
What’s difficult in a Psycho happy marriage when everyone and everything is lowkey psycho these days😅

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Did you see the movie “Mr. and Mrs. Smith”?

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I never sullied my life with Dexter, but I am getting Jamie Dornan/ Paul Spector vibes from The Fall. I don't think for a moment (and I sincerely hope) Lee Jun Gi's Hee-sung will turn out to be anything like Paul Spector who was a tragic bad, bad egg, but the relationship with the respective daughters is echoing.

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I also got some Fall vibes...almost wish the kid was older..may be a teenager herself. The fall out would start to be more epic coz ye know teenagers would just bring the drama when their doting dad would turn into a suspect and they'd question the loving family they thought they knew..I know the actors are not old enough but the show's saying that they met when she was 22 and he was 21 faking to be 24,soo definitely feasible to have an early baby...
It also woulda lent credence to his mother's accusation that JiWon 'trapped' him by getting preggers. What kinda gold digger waits around for 13-14 years after meeting someone to get knocked up and get into wedlock,ommoni 🙄.And turning it on the head, wouldn't an unemotional 'psycho', on the run want to lock the girl down with a baby post haste to make his alibi family err more solid???

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Paul Spector terrified me. The time he broke into the house and helped the little girl go to the toilet and got into bed with the mother .... Stuff of v realistic nightmares. I don't see our boy doing stuff like that. But the relationship with the child (and his own daughter) reminds me of the father and child in this. Chilling. Although I wouldn't change anything in FOE at this stage. I'm waiting to see what he's really like. He seems more sinned against than sinning at the moment. I'm not forming any conclusions on the basis that he has been born not being able to "feel" or have empathy for others. And the basement guy is getting what he deserves. he's a predatory bully IMO.

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Thank you for the fast recap @lollypip! The first episode of this show really burst out of the gates didn't it? There were several times I had to check and make sure this was really episode 1. So much information and twists.
Now I won't repeat all the accolades about how creepy LJK is in this role as he really is creepy and scary.

But was anyone else bothered watching him working in his shop with the tools and NOT one scene was he wearing protective eye gear? Sorry, but I was distracted when he was using different tools with the heat and grinders, and not once did he wear goggles or gloves. really?????
guess I'm getting too old for these details

But overall I liked the first episode and it hooked me quickly.

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That is because he is INVINCIBLE HOT METAL MAN. Akin to @leetennant's Vibrator Man in Forest. Hi, LT. What's up?

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*sigh*

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Aw, LT. You're sighing with happiness because I tagged you! Now, now, @pickleddragon @ndlessjoie Don't be sad. You know there is absolutely no way I'm leaving you guys out! *BEAMS*

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Also I had forgotten about Vibrator Man but honestly it's not something we should mention outside of the shelter of the Forest recaps.

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*BEAMS BACK* But worried if I have to watch the show. IHMM seems the sort of chap dragons who spew fire (pickled, invisible, or otherwise ;) ) should steer clear of, for fear of causing more damage than already done... :D

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Know I'm off subject here, but I'm giving "Dark," a whirl because of your comment about it. It sure looks like a lot of !WOW! ahead.

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Oh cool, let me know how you go! We can chat in this week's OT.

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oh dear - you had to remind us of Vibrator Man?

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Wait, who's vibrator man? I started watching Forest, but jumped off that train so fast...

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Trust me, you don't want to know....

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Oh dear... but if I go to the Forest recaps, I could kill my cat and satisfy the curiosity?

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*Takes responsibility for Vibrator Man*
Sorry, db, sorry.
Also the holes. Also the clams....

But I at least can't be held responsible for the homicidal squirrels...

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*heads off to check the recaps* any particular episode I should be looking for?

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Yes, @leetennant ...the homicidal squirrels were definitely not your fault. Whomever could have come up with such an insane idea? 😇

(I'm sure they were homicidal because they ate some of the mutant clams.)

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@cozybooks Look for Forrest: Episodes 17-20 open thread. The Vibrator Man theme came up in the recap itself. The discussion about confusecaps over tuning forks somehow brought out chainsaws and tried to steer back to bicycle horns early on in the comments.

Somewhere around the mention of the lack of wildlife was the reopening of the Great Vanishing Hole. Then we went from fish to clams to Morlocks to drop bears, woodpeckers and sheep, then back to clams which then were revealed to be zombie clams, and...well just go read it. You'll see.

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@lilyleftthevalley greatly obliged^^

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Ah, such memories of Forest! And, can forget the holes.

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@cozybooks @leetennant It's all there...V Man, manholes, clams and all. LT started it all. Everything.

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My 8th grade shop teacher would not approve.

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Yes, you're not alone.
Not googles, not gloves, not a proper apron, and everything so clean. I could understand the shop would have two parts: the shop and the workshop, but it all seems to be together. Not realistic at all.

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I agree with the other commenters who think that the writer shouldn't chicken out and make LJG's character not a serial killer. Don't give him a redemption arc. Even if he's not a killer, he's clearly not normal since he thought it was alright to kidnap the reporter. And he practiced smiling in the mirror...

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I actually think at this point it's all an act. He's faking his love for his family. But I think he will gradually grow to love them in the later episodes, so that the scene at the beginning in the pool is the new him, a man who is finally able to feel.

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I think he loves his wife but especially his daughter. We get a clue in episode 2 about it when he throws that thing out into the bin. He took revenge for his daughter in his own way. If he didn't adore her, he would stay lowkey and never do something petty like that. He tries to protect his wife too, even if it hurts her, he doesn't want his fake parents near her.

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I'm cautiously hopeful for this show.

My only left field theory right now is the dad wasn't actually a serial killer, he was framed (and the suicide was likely staged if so.) If my guess is right, he was an easy target to take the fall because he was inherently emotionally detached, which his son inherited/learned. So the locals all assumed it must be true when whatever evidence was found because he wasn't a friendly sort of guy. The son went through hell because of it and he doesn't want to be set up like his dad was. (I'll touch on this more in the 2nd ep recap.)

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I'm reading this recap quite late so I don't really know what to say here that hasn't been mentioned already. I'm in agreement with our fellow Beanies regarding this first episode.

Lee Jun-ki giving us that emotionless stare made quite the impression indeed!

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My fave minor character for this episode one was nerdy Kim Sang-jin, played by Yoon He-seok, who was played another nerdy character in another scripted (this time, romcom) show this year from Channel A, Touch.

Yoon He-seok's recent film appearance was according to Asianwiki, Champ (2011). I can't find his name on this Asianwiki page of this, so I think he was a minor/uncredited character (In-kwon)/star. Sadly, it was nine years ago before he will do to television instead.

Meanwhile, in my opinion, 2020 was the year of summer of nerdy male lead or supporting characters (in which any male character/s wore eyeglasses/glasses) on Korean dramas/dramedies. For example are the following:
- this show (Flower of Evil)
- Graceful Friends
- Memorials (my nerdy male characters I know: Go Dong-chan (Oh Dong-min), Lee Dae-cheol (Park Sung-geul) and Heo Deok-goo (Lee Seo-hwan))

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In the first five minutes I was all ready to write off the parents but after the metal-shop scene and mom calling Ji Won, I’m postponing my judgement. What a fantastic premiere this was and I’m so glad it’s recapped cos I definitely got some details lost in translation.

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Thanks @lollypip. A great first episode. Appalling and chilling and yet 'not too darkly' engaging. I recall first seeing Lee Jun Ki in that long ago show, My Girl and thought him very pretty. Now I'm glad to see he's gone on to become very disturbing. LOL.

So we enter the difficult territory of finding it hard to dislike the anti-hero/villain. He may be a true blue psychopath who's found a way to fool people around him in general, while having as associates, other psychopaths like his so-called 'parents', and they seem to be up to something. The 'dad's' mention of being all in the same boat raises possibilities of them being in league over nefarious deeds, either in the past or still on-going.

I've been thinking about sociopathy and personality disorders since watching IONTBO until I've become a little inured, so that the scene of the parents coldly meeting the family and little Eun Ha had me in stitches instead of feeling cold. It was a great contrast of the family being bright and warm, and the on-looker parents not even pretending to look like they understood or cared about the interactions in front of them. It looked for all the world like it was a total waste of time to them.

As many well made shows are wont to do, I'm glad to see that this show too has given us clues and pre-figuring of what may be in store.

At home, Ji-won tells Hee-sung how strange it is that Ae-young has a son who’s accusing his father of trying to kill him, yet she claims that her family is perfect. She thinks there should have been signs that something was wrong, and she wonders if Ae-young is ignoring the truth or covering it up.

The situation of In Seo's family foreshadows what Ji Won's family, or herself in particular will face. Just as she asked if Ae Young was "ignoring the truth or covering it up," so too would she be in a position to ask that of herself.

In fact, already, the question arises, how an observant policewoman like herself, could miss any clues that something is not right with her husband. She too thinks she has a perfect family, but were there signs that something was wrong. Did Ji Won herself ever have an inkling and ignored it before.

In Ji Won's conversation with Jae Seob, where he trusts his wife so that he would even take poison if his wife gave it to him, I wonder if that's another foreshadowing, since in Ji Won's case, it is Hee Sung who does the cooking and could easily slip in something or other. Even without drugging the food, Hee Sung has successfully dulled JW's acute senses (with hot love making?) and made her trust him explicitly.

I was trying to telepathically tell Moo Jin to stop conversing with someone he already had suspicions about and just get out of that place. By staying on, he'd talked too much and effectively given Hee Sung the information that told him he wouldn't be missed if he disappeared. He'd even written down his address for Hee Sung, which...

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...He'd even written down his address for Hee Sung, which the latter can later use to get more info from. That's how to totally become a victim of a suspicious, likely killer!

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I really want to jump into bandwagon with all of you here...does this drama worth it?

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Yes! Make the leap, hop on this bandwagon, I think it'll be fun. ^^

Best reasons to watch:
1. Compelling storyline (who doesn't love a good suspense thriller where you start suspecting a family member of being evil?)
2. Fangirl worthy duality in LJG's acting (he does SUCH a good job at being the sweet husband one minute and a scary emotionless I don't know what the next)
3. Strong FL lead, not flatly "cop" and not helplessly "the princess" either (I find it's a hard balance for FL to find, to not just be a flat detective without any emotions or depth vs. being helpless in all situations and a bit empty headed)
4. just above average directing, camerawork etc. I like it, it hasn't blown me out of the water yet, but it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the show :)

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Lee Jun Ki is very scary here. He was rather scary in Moon Lovers, but in this drama he's just very, very scary.

I think he just kicked the regaining Shin Sung Rok into second place in my "Scary Character/Actor" list

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