Since I don't think overacting is necessarily a bad or unconscious practice, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about my particular use of the word. However, I still can't see how "majestic images" or other striking sensory effects reduce a show's seriousness. As far as I can see, such effects tend to be used to bolster the significance of the content, e.g. giving the petty internal politics of a bank the gravitas of classical theatre.

When i already said i more or less agree with you. A few weeks ago i talked about Japan's theatre acting.
>>such effects tend to be used to bolster the significance of the content
Content itself should be capable enough to make audience treat as a significant matter. But nowadays directors relay more on such superficial factors to create the air of "this is it" moment.

I am amazed at this user's perseverance all these years. I decided to skip their posts after less than six months.

I usually ignore him but while being trapped in my small bedroom waiting for my covid test result I've become unusually antagonistic!

@mindy - Oh no! I hope the results come quickly and you're in the clear.

@mindy Oh dear, I hope you get good news very soon

@ndlessjoie @midnight Thanks! I don't think I have it but I was possibly exposed to a patient who tested positive the next day and had some mild things that may be considered symptoms (but could be anything) so just wanna make sure.

I too skip these posts, but your response was great.
Oh dear - I hope your test results come out okay!
ACK!!!!

I guess "reasoning and rational" don't work against you, either

Did you just call Mindy a troll?

Quick questions: which coterie are referring to?

Another one: which foreign audience are referring to?

And, another: Goldfish? Huh?

I'm still having a chuckle at the notion of mindy being malicious. Me? heck yeah, I can be malicious. But Mindy? Nah, her intentions are not malicious.

You say stuff about audience when you don't even consider the audience of this site. Sigh

What are you expecting from a kdrama dedicated site when 99% of the time you say everything is trash and the fandom atrocious.

Atleast i talk about subject matter than intentionally going offtopic. for that everyone has open post of friday.
Today i'm happy to see someone talk about the concept of acting in 1st post itself and hope coterie will something from that talk and won't revel in their -ve activities more.

You guys are so confusing..

I don't know about other posts, but this particular one.. why did you have to go about attacking somebody's point of view. If one of your group members did that then you would be preaching freedom of expressing oneself and having right to opinion

ignore my previous post
I see kewbie's reply and i assume your reasons are similar

I was born in a country with a government like that.
Would be so nice to get paid for every comment in here but I assure you I’m not DB’s paid troll.

You don't choose which country you're born in, and moving to a new one is easier said than done.

Coming to a kdrama fan website just to talk trash about kdramas and the people who watch them, however, is entirely a (very nonsensical) choice :)

Never did I thought there will be a day that I'll see someone likening Dramabeans to a country 😅.

HAHAHAHA.

Thanks for the laugh.

Critiquing a drama or genre is one thing, but criticizing individuals who watch them = bashing. No one here refutes your right to critique kdrama, what we do take offense with is when you condem the viewers of kdrama on a kdrama fan site.

But I don’t think anyone thinks that a K-drama fan cannot legitimately criticise other K-drama fans on a K-drama website. I’ve done so myself, and no one was in the least offended. However, I’d taken the trouble to pinpoint exactly whom and what I was taking issue with, and why. Cat0cat’s criticism, on the other hand, seems either sweeping or unjustified or both.

Cat0cat claims to be criticising "a specific demography”. Who exactly constitute this demography? According to cat0cat, they are “foreign audiences” with "very superficial, limited needs”, who consume “trash dramas”, and who thus fuel the production of said “trash dramas”. But however you look at it, this definition is problematic. If we accept that every drama has its detractors who think it’s “trash”, then all international viewers are in effect consuming “trash dramas”. But if we limit “trash dramas” to, say, the dramas that cat0cat thinks are “trash”, then cat0cat needs to state what exactly their criteria are, and explain why their criteria override everyone else’s.

Take me, for instance. I’m a big fan of the far from universally popular Special Labour Inspector Jo. Someone, probably cat0cat, thinks it's “trash”. According to cat0cat’s claims, that makes me a viewer with “very superficial, limited needs” who is being pandered to with “trash dramas”. Can anyone blame me for being at least slightly annoyed about that?

@knewbie...i see your point..and i can see what you are debating against (although OP still is entitled to his/her opinion as you are)

maybe it is the way comments are stacked.. because the order seemed like people pouncing on the original poster for just having their own opinion, and ganging up

@knewbie still onto fictional characters and fictional stories. I don't find this much interest into fiction is good for anyone.
I surely took your serious view into consideration and i hope you won't again put words into my mouth. the claim of me being against a specific demography is delusion fantasy of fickle minds and only those unbalanced creatures can provide you better answer.
Foreign audience i defined it in its legal right of having Korean citizenship aka the one who drives the local economy.
There you go again intentionally marking 2 different things together to make a very point of view that suits your needs than being an actual representation. But you are on point - because from start i was into the business aspect of a tv media and i always concentrate more on that. Afterall, its all about money. And by no means i'm against such content if entertainment industry finds it lucrative. Its actual demand n supply. service provider is fulfilling the needs of customer. I don't know how many times i have to point it out. I have always held service provider as capable as the customer in this regard. Entertainment for an excuse doesn't fly far and it clearly shows what a production team+broadcaster think about the audience. I'm not the creator of any of that and i have no desire to associate with such unprofessionalism as well as bankruptcy of reason of either of them.

I'm not some official whose job is review media and whose views are taken into consideration by sponsers,broadcasters and production team. So i don't know why someone might think my criteria is of utmost importance and need to examined. I'm not questioning why someone has this and that view, or why someone is into this or that media. Its their life and they have freedom to have their point of view. As simple as that.
I will present myself for audit to the local audience when i'm assigned an official position. As said ealirer few times. Someone trash is other man's gold. Nothing can be perfect. No media can be perfect and no media can ever achieve 100% approval. And also i do consider that show low quality and you have every right to be annoyed. In the same way i have every right to call a show below or above average. I don't find it reasonable to be so enmoured by a fellow viewer's opinion about a fictional media.

@catocat All the words in quotation marks in my previous post are taken directly from your posts. (Eg "You pet peeve is i'm talking about media of a specific demography.")

"Foreign audience i defined it in its legal right of having Korean citizenship aka the one who drives the local economy."

I'm confused. I took "foreign audiences" from your post below: "...only certain kind of dramas are being put into foreign audiences menu catering to their very superficial, limited needs". Since this is a K-drama site, I'd assumed that "foreign" meant all countries OTHER THAN Korea. Sorry, I didn't realise that by "foreign" you actually meant specifically Korean.

"So i don't know why someone might think my criteria is of utmost importance and need to examined. "
"And also i do consider that show low quality and you have every right to be annoyed."

I don't have any problem with others thinking that the show is bad or that its fans are superficial. They don't even need to produce any criteria for the show being bad. As you say, your views in themselves are far from important. But if someone tells me to my face that I'm superficial for loving the show, then I'd expect them to explain what it is about the show that makes its fans superficial. Otherwise it isn't valid criticism - it's just name-calling.

I am not too sure if you read the weekly What Beanies are Watching. The deliberation here is NOT about ONE particular post by the poster in question. It is a culmination of the beanies’ community having to endure her/his rude comments every week for at least a couple of years that every drama under the sun is just trash.

And the poster almost always has his/her sharp tongue ready to be the first one to post so you must read his/her comments first. DB is by and large a genteel community sharing our drama love and we also respect different views in dissecting dramas, unlike some other sites.

To cause so many responses in this thread - I have to say - is honestly a case of ‘enough is enough’. No one has the god given right to bash and bash every week, whether or not you believe in god.

I hope the poster in question please kindly reflect your behaviour which is quite unacceptable in the real world.

@knewbie wait a minute that's like one of my favorite shows in existence (special labor inspector) god i have been replying to so many of your comments sorry. BUT I LOVE THAT SHOWWWWWW

@boughtabride heh I should've known you'd be a Special Labour Inspector Jo fan :)

The Bad Kids is the best drama so far. By far. In any country. I'm pretty sure nothing will top it this year. I highly recommend everyone to watch it!
Loved Someday or One Day too. Still, The Bad Kids will be hard to top.

@maybemaknae Thanks for putting The Bad Kids on my radar! That is right up my alley and I can't wait to start it and see what all the fuss is about!!

@csmith you're welcome 🙃

The only bigotry and ignorance here is your insistence that religion is a mental disorder, and your labelling of K-drama fandom (“foreign” or “Korean” or whatever) as “atrocious”. I’m an atheist and a severe critic of religion, but even without considering the complexities of its origins and its relation to other areas of human behaviour, I know that much good, and many good people, have emerged from that institution. (And if you think you can mollify true believers with your analogy of religion as pimp, I feel it’s only fair to warn you that most people don’t appreciate having their god compared to a very popular prostitute.)

Similarly, I dislike many K-dramas, but that’s no reason to “look down on” fandom as you do. K-drama fans are fans for many reasons, and as you yourself said, the industry bears the greater responsibility for producing what you call “trash”. In any case, we all know that ratings have dropped spectacularly in Korea, so Koreans at least seem to be signalling their disdain for the industry quite openly.

As for spamming: if responding to what one feels is an objectionable post is spamming, then you've been doing exactly the same thing as the other posters that you’ve accused. We were all merrily commenting on various dramas till you informed us - i.e. consumers of trash K-dramas and C-dramas - how contemptible we were.

@catocat Extraordinary how you're guilty of almost everything that you condemn me (and others) for. You accuse us of ignorance and exhort us to google things that you yourself sadly lack knowledge of. You say I flaunt what I "believe in and what not", though you constantly mention the same for yourself about all kinds of things e.g. religion, fandom, the media, politics, human behaviour. You accuse people of being bigoted and negative, when you are far more intolerant of others' beliefs, ideas and preferences, and more eager to attack them, than anyone I've met on this site. You say you don't respond to people who twist things to look cool, but that's what you've been doing since Saturday, and at great length too. You say you "don't even need to look down" on viewers of "trash dramas", but that was what you said you did in your original post.

Also, even if I'd misunderstood your point about demographics, just as I'd failed to understand your use of the word "foreign" to mean "Korean", the fact that you were not focusing on a specific demographic merely confirms my earlier point: that you are in effect saying that any group of people that enjoys any drama that you think is trash is "atrocious".

Btw I'm perfectly aware of the distinction between god and religion, thanks. It's you who are unable to understand my point about your "pimp" analogy. Do brush up your comprehension skills.

@knewbie I'm gonna say it again. rather than writing wall of gibberish and making ridiculous claims you could have googled it. I never talk about real life in Saturday posts but if someone's whole life o objective is to post spam and intentionally indulge in trolling then i'll go ahead and point it out. I always ignore such spam but this time i'm standing up to bigots and this is causing them heartburn. Don't take someone's silence for weakness.

Also better google What intolerance means too. I have never rejected anyone's idea, having different views must be appreciated. If narrow Minded identities can't grasp this simple facet of life, then its their problem.

I not need to look down upon such identities and i've maintained this view for long time and always mentioned how drama team thinks of audience as low IQ and repeatedly humiliates them. . Only if someone's bigotry hadn't closed off their mind.

Someone's trash can be someone else gold. Hope this clears someone's clouded thoughts.
Ohh now its analogy. there should be a limit to hypocrisy. enjoy taste of your own medicine. Again if have so much time and knowledge of world teach something to your beloved coterie whose intolerance you also revel in.

You have declared that general viewers/fans of K- and C-drama are “atrocious" on a public forum where the majority of the posters ARE viewers/fans. You have persisted in classing religion as a mental disorder even though that is patently untrue, and at least some posters here are members of that institution as well as perfectly sane. Most egregious of all: your referring to others as “atrocious”, “unbalanced creatures” and “fickle minds” is just @catocat frankly voicing his/her opinion and “standing up to bigots", but others calling you out for your abusive language and your warped view of religion are “trolls”, “bigots” and “malicious”. If that’s not hypocrisy I don’t know what is.

Also, I’ve got no idea what you mean by “oh now it’s analogy” because I didn’t make a single analogy in my previous post. And what "silence" are you talking about? From a quick look at your comments history, anyone can tell that you're the last person to stay silent. Finally, I wonder if your posts would sound a lot less nasty and confused if you just worked on both your writing and comprehension skills. I hope you’ll give it a shot.

So right, he is not on my pretty list, but he has something that makes him attractive, but is missing something to be on my pretty list. I sound so obnoxious, but I hope you get my meaning, ha.

@kafiyah-bello Yeah he is not pretty, but he is attractive but not overtly so either if that makes sense? Someone said he looks like a grown version of Lee Jae Wook lol.

Aha, I get what you mean too! I think it's because he typically plays smarmy characters that take a while to chip away at their exterior. His personality seems cute though, his former co-star mentioned he texted her after filming was done to stay warm/take care of herself which she thought was flirting, but Jun Hyun Moo (I live alone days) said that's just how he is which is sweet.

Side note: His next drama is on TV Chosun eh (Their dramas are not my cup of tea/and they are lesser par on quality compared to JTBC/tvN). And its a legal drama so double eh lol. I know he has it in him, but he just needs that right role you know?!

I hate love triangles too, they are just stupid and it is always obvious who the OTP are so why bother.

@kafiyah-bello Pretty much basically. Its so clear cut who the real OTP is, so its like pulling nothing out of thin air for plot filler UGH! And HJE usually picks rom-coms that deliver on the cute/fluffy part! But I get why the actors appeared, probably b/c its on a Public Channel, and it was a genre people are used to.

The past lives thing could've been quite deep if they just focused on the two and their deep love for each other that transcend generations/time. Basically have the show be 12 episodes and just have 80% of it be about the main OTP and their deep love for each other.

I remember it took me a while to get into Beauty Inside before finally enjoying it, but I don't know if MAM will do that.

That's kind of sad. It also makes me worry about Dong Chan. If that's true, how will he feel about Pa-Do? I hope it doesn't alienate him further. Poor Dong Chan. I always hoped he would fall for the auntie who is Ae-Jung's best friend as it seems they might make a good couple. But he doesn't seem to show even the slightest interest in her.

By "he" I meant Pa-do, not Dong Chan falling for Ae-Jung's best friend. The paragraph above makes it sound completely wrong.

@zzthorn yeah I got you, don't worry about it.

I also thought they might push the narrative there when Pa Do visited her pub, but frankly even standard kdrama fare seems out of this writers capabilities.

Yeah very true. I mean there are literal translations for the title: Wise Prion Life and Wise Doctor Life, but I like the sound of Prison Playbook and Hospital Playlist more :)

Haha same^^

Great. I am not surprised. HEALER was my introduction to the kdrama world.