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Team Dramabeans: What we’re watching

So, what are we all watching this week?

What kept you reaching for more (or agonizing when there was no more), and what made you want to throw your remote through the screen? Time to weigh in…

 

missvictrix

Currently weecapping: Backstreet Rookie, Graceful Friends, and United Effort to Accomplish One Thing

Flower of Evil: I wasn’t put off enough by the procedural element not to tune in for Episode 3, and let’s face it, this is a fun set-up. However, after Episode 3, I’m still torn. While I love the twists and deep, dark identity secrets (OMG Kim Ji-hoooooon!), I don’t know if I can stay on board for all the crime scene investigations just to get to the juicy parts.

 

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It’s Okay to Not Be Okay: I find the latest turn with Moon-young’s mom a little too overdramatic to take seriously, but since it’s going for a fairy tale vibe, I guess this direction kind of makes sense. Clearly, we’re headed for a showdown in the final week. All I ask is that our little family comes out of this intact.

Flower of Evil: Dramas really love a serial-killer father trying to bring his son to the dark side, don’t they? I figured things weren’t as clear-cut as first implied, but I’m surprised at how quickly the reveals are happening. I’m all for a fast-paced plot, so I’m not complaining. I am curious, though, where we’re heading since things are moving faster than I anticipated.

United Effort to Accomplish One Thing: With only one week to go, everything is coming together. I guessed who sent the letters from the start, but there’s still a lot of questions with regards to this messed up family. I’ve really enjoyed this so far – I love a good scheme – so I hope they nail the finale.

 
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Watching Hanzawa Naoki Season 2 and Akuma no Bengonin. TBH, after a diet of finely wrought K-dramas like One Spring Night and My Ahjusshi, the two J-dramas feel a bit… well… clumsy in comparison. Oddly, it’s the humble late-night drama Akuma no Bengonin that I find more compelling. Once I got used to that weird interior lighting that turns everyone orange, I began to appreciate the economy, restraint and consistency of the storytelling. As the eponymous hard-boiled lawyer who has a very very good reason for his aloofness, Kaname Jun has never been better... or more handsome, IMO, though he seems to have only one costume for the entire series. Becky is also very good as his tender-hearted but independent-minded assistant.

The shouty men of Hanzawa Naoki are back, and they are shoutier than ever! Apparently Season 1 was meant to be kabuki-like, and Season 2 ups the ante by casting, not just Kagawa Teriyuki, son of a famous kabuki actor, but Kagawa’s cousin Ichikawa Ennosuke IV, who really is a kabuki actor. They’re not alone in the overacting stakes, but when it comes to facial contortions they are way ahead of the rest of the cast. Still, the first half’s focus on acquisitions and takeovers among IT companies is intriguing; Sakai Masato is always good value as SuperBanker; and who doesn’t want to see SuperBanker growling “Baigaeshi!” at outrageous panto villains?

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Its not overacting if its intentional. An actor can do nothing without the approval of director. A tv show is visual representation from the artistic view of director. Director has given the instructions to actors to behave in that way. Those exaggerated facial expressions were needed to make the subject a bit light and to appeal the casual folk aka audience.
And why the show is a hit because it hits the Asian financial bubble quite aptly.

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Er... actually one can overact on purpose, and be deliberately directed to overact too. As I mentioned, the show seems to be aiming for a sort of kabuki effect, hence the exaggerated acting. I'm not sure if it makes the subject matter any lighter - my own impression is that it actually pushes the show to a higher pitch of intensity.

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That's what i said. Its not overacting if its intentional. Either you act or not. A competent director never lets actors have their way with the subject matter. An actor has to follow the instructions of a director to carry out the vision envisioned by director+writer both. More or less i have agreed with your view on acting. This intensity is same as sfx to create shock value to enthrall the audience. sly tactic. But it also reduces the seriousness of the show in the same vein as its more like creating a majestic image.

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Since I don't think overacting is necessarily a bad or unconscious practice, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about my particular use of the word. However, I still can't see how "majestic images" or other striking sensory effects reduce a show's seriousness. As far as I can see, such effects tend to be used to bolster the significance of the content, e.g. giving the petty internal politics of a bank the gravitas of classical theatre.

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When i already said i more or less agree with you. A few weeks ago i talked about Japan's theatre acting.
>>such effects tend to be used to bolster the significance of the content
Content itself should be capable enough to make audience treat as a significant matter. But nowadays directors relay more on such superficial factors to create the air of "this is it" moment.

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@knewbie @catocat
If you watch Hanzawa Naoki through a Kabuki lens - it totally makes sense.

Stylistic devices are in every storytelling. We just don't notice the ones we are familiar with, we take them for granted like the air we breath. It is that invisibility that causes many of us to be taken aback when we encounter one we are not familiar with. Just as many find grating when music is played on instruments that are not designed for the modern 8 bar scale.

It is up to everyone if this fits their tastes but if the major critique is of the norms of the style rather than its success of application then it is critiquing jazz for being jazz.

For me this version of Kabuki in a modern setting is a parallel to Baz Luhrmann's Romeo & Juliette -Shakespearian everyday where the stylistic devices were all part of moving the audience to focus on the political element rather than getting railroaded by the usual expectation of the tragic/love.

The story has set its rules and so far has been following them (even more so than Season 1) and I am enjoying the ride at the moment. Personally I am finding many of the stylistic devices not too dissimilar to those used in traditional Western epic tales. The repeated refrains, the character as style/pose.

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i know this is so old but i'm curious about jdrama budgets since japan is a very wealthy country lol. googled the show and the first season was 2013 i have a hard time watching older shows they just feel so OLD....god i can't believe 7 years feels outdated...time flies

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I recently finished ‘Unfamiliar Family’ and loved it. Wish I had watched it live.
Not very thrilled about the recent episodes of ‘It’s ok to be not okay’. Will finish it though.

Am enjoying 2 cdramas at the moment.
‘Nothing but 30’ and ‘Lovely Us’. Nothing but 30 definitely feels like a tough watch at times but I am already near episode 10! I love LovelyUs so far. It’s funny and heartwarming at the same time. And I adore the friends gang already.

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Unfamiliar Family really raised the bar for me. Now I want good writing and good acting, or I don't want to watch. I'm waiting for another drama of that calibre to come along.

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The ensemble acting was fantastic. It will be hard to beat.

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The acting was undoubtedly the best part of that show.

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An example of good ensemble acting and great writing can be found with a watch of BECAUSE THIS LIFE IS OUR FIRST, which broadcast a couple of years ago. It is a comedy so it is a bit lighter, where UNFAMILIAR FAMILY (absolutely one of my favorite shows of the year) is a family drama.

From the standpoint of great writing, acting and cinematography the family drama/romance I'LL FIND YOU ON A BEAUTIFUL DAY was also really good.

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OH someone else watching Nothing but 30! I too am at about ep 10 and thoroughly enjoying these three women become bonded as close friends. I especially loved when the mom locked those two evil b**ches in the closet and kicked their butts.
Curious to see what happens to the young woman who just miscarried and her young male colleague. Is he going to become a love interest?
Overall these three women are just so darned gorgeous!!!

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Episode 5!! That scene made me so ecstatic.
Initially I didn’t like her as much. But the more I watched, I love her character. She is ambitious and strives for better things, but she doesn’t lose her values and has principles. (I loved how she handled the epilepsy case). Also I love that she treats people with respect. Be it her driver or her friends. She doesn’t act like she is rich while others are beneath her, while she is constantly exposed to that.
I Am loving the the three women bonding together.

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haha the "young woman" is actually the oldest of the bunch. They're all 30 in the same year but her birthday is first :) Mao Xiaotong has a super babyface!
And yes he will be a love interest, but it plays out in a very interesting way. I love how this show doesn't always hit the trope.

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I didn't realize that until this weekend when her birthday was the first one. hah. But she does act like the youngest of the three. Something tells me (at least I hope so) that she is going to do some growing up and realize her own value.

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I've heard nothing but 30 is a tough watch. It's still on my list but I wonder if I'll be able to relate because I'm not 30 yet lol. I shouldn't be saying this after loving Be Melodramatic with all my heart but I'm hearing this one is a closer, realistic look. I am however, watching the 20's counterpart of the show and enjoying that light watch.

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Not sure why it is a hard watch other than they represent what women in this world go through. But I'm loving it.

Side note here, I had the trip of a lifetime and was in Shanghai in 1982, it was so different then. And I am enthralled at how it has changed so much since they had just opened to the west. So I'm loving the city shots.

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No it's not a hard watch at all. I'm not one for dramas that torture viewers with no payoff (coughSerenadeofpeacfuljoycough), but this show has AMAZING character growth, and the things that happened to them are not overly dramatic at all. I would say, all things considered, everyone had a happy ending :) And you don't have to be 30 to relate to the show. The main message of the show, to me, is the main message of, "Know yourself, and do what you think is best for you, whatever that is, whenever that is", and that hopefully would resonate with everyone at all ages.

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Nothing but 30 was excellent. Finished it yesterday and I don't think I have ever been so invested in the characters as I was with this series. The ending was perfect and yes there are some really difficult scenes, but so well acted. I haven't watched many cdramas. The only one I thought was as good as this one was "The first half of my life" with Jin Dong. I can see why this series is resonating with women in China.

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I loved The First Half of My Life, and all the descriptions were making me wonder if Nothing but 30 would be of a similar quality. I'd prefer that vibe over the feel of something like Ode to Joy.

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Literally came here to promote Nothing but 30 haha I advised folks to give it 10 eps, which are more slice of life and slow-ish to acquaint us with the characters. Before I knew it, I already treated them like familiar friends, and got super invested in their life. After ep 10 things really went full speed ahead. Such a well-written, well-acted show, and infinitely relatable.

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CRICKET - Ireland won the 3rd One day. wow

Test Match is at interesting point and both teams have tried to ruin their own game. You play to win guys. Overall, tomorrow morning if there is no rain we will get the outcome.

Another good test match.

OREGAIRU - The drama. Why i like it because characters seek Genuine and social commentary which you can't get in the anime because of shrt of time. Let's see who overcomes the fakery calm and still remain together.

NItrate - lots and lots of footage . the real fun.

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JAPAN -

Hanazawa Naoki Season 2 - 7.5 out of 10. real fun aka action starts now.

My Housekeeper Nagisa-san - 7.5 out of 10. The guy took paternity leave. Yeah. This show is now in my top 10 of 2020.
In real life i don't like age difference more than 15-18 months between couples but in a tv drama who cares about age difference. Looking for a marriage partner surely is a pressure and stress factor.

Way too kawaii - 7/10 - the show still is going with a specific view. I want to see more openly accepted view. Overall nice advertisement of a trendy business region.

Nina my love - 7/10 - meta hero gonna protect the heroine. I was expecting much more action and i think that action will start now.

High Low The Worst - 4/10 no story only idol promotion. Direction of action scenes is good and even action scenes are good.

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Korea + China -

now i put both in same category. Even developing countries are coming with far more real and ambiticious webseries than compared to these 2 overly hyped tv media. I say K tv media is regressing fast and Chinese is still lurking around early 2005.

Even Pakistani shows have more content, depth and meaning than all these new trash content from both sides. Ofcourse they are catering to the needs of audience and in way accuse audience of having no maturity or capabilities to differentiate between good and low quality product. Well, they are right and its makes sense as a business but entertainment alone shouldn't be the only criteria. Porn is entertainment too, violence is a big entertainment industry now. Real life violence and oppression is favoruite passtime of many. So this apply to both - those who create stuff and those who consume such stuff. Personally, even i look down upon such audience and any atrocious fandom linked with it. I say relgion is a mental-disorder and i put fandom in same category because reasoning and rational not works against both.

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"Personally, even i look down upon such audience and any atrocious fandom linked with it."

You say about kdrama audiences while on a website dedicated to kdrama audiences

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Thank you for writing that @mindy.

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I am amazed at this user's perseverance all these years. I decided to skip their posts after less than six months.

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I usually ignore him but while being trapped in my small bedroom waiting for my covid test result I've become unusually antagonistic!

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@mindy - Oh no! I hope the results come quickly and you're in the clear.

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@mindy Oh dear, I hope you get good news very soon

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@ndlessjoie @midnight Thanks! I don't think I have it but I was possibly exposed to a patient who tested positive the next day and had some mild things that may be considered symptoms (but could be anything) so just wanna make sure.

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I too skip these posts, but your response was great.
Oh dear - I hope your test results come out okay!
ACK!!!!

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reasoning and rational not works against both.
>i would like to know what coterie smoke

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I guess "reasoning and rational" don't work against you, either

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Usually, i ignore low level efforts of Tchumps whose only purpose is to troll. But
today i'll become benefactor of coteries - I expect there is no goldfish here so google what even Audience mean. That will also help you to learn what foreign audience mean. hope to see you next time talking about topic than engaging in malicious activities. Intentions matter.

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Did you just call Mindy a troll?

Quick questions: which coterie are referring to?

Another one: which foreign audience are referring to?

And, another: Goldfish? Huh?

I'm still having a chuckle at the notion of mindy being malicious. Me? heck yeah, I can be malicious. But Mindy? Nah, her intentions are not malicious.

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You say stuff about audience when you don't even consider the audience of this site. Sigh

What are you expecting from a kdrama dedicated site when 99% of the time you say everything is trash and the fandom atrocious.

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Thanks for speaking out @mindy. This commenter is so rude and have no respect for anything as if s/he's above everything that I skip his/her posts.

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Atleast i talk about subject matter than intentionally going offtopic. for that everyone has open post of friday.
Today i'm happy to see someone talk about the concept of acting in 1st post itself and hope coterie will something from that talk and won't revel in their -ve activities more.

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You guys are so confusing..

I don't know about other posts, but this particular one.. why did you have to go about attacking somebody's point of view. If one of your group members did that then you would be preaching freedom of expressing oneself and having right to opinion

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ignore my previous post
I see kewbie's reply and i assume your reasons are similar

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How ironic...
You bash Korean TV and kdrama fans but you are in Dramabeans.

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I live in a country - Criticize the govt n its policies. Supporters aka paid shrills pop up and start threatening me. heh. similarities abound.

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I was born in a country with a government like that.
Would be so nice to get paid for every comment in here but I assure you I’m not DB’s paid troll.

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You don't choose which country you're born in, and moving to a new one is easier said than done.

Coming to a kdrama fan website just to talk trash about kdramas and the people who watch them, however, is entirely a (very nonsensical) choice :)

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Never did I thought there will be a day that I'll see someone likening Dramabeans to a country 😅.

HAHAHAHA.

Thanks for the laugh.

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Haha. For that i consider you are serious. And i'll be serious too.
You pet peeve is i'm talking about media of a specific demography. I don't like to explain but seeing you being honest - i find it obligatory to tell you(only you) I'm being fair and transparent all the while. And i don't think criticism = bashing. Trash dramas are trash no matter what demography. Its not like i'm the only sensible identity to notice that. As for fans - its the industry itself that humiliates them, i just point it out in layman's term.
Flattery i don't indulge in. If that hurts the ego of fickle minds then i can't do much.

Hope to see you comment on topic next time than making issues out of nothing to have few brownie points.

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Critiquing a drama or genre is one thing, but criticizing individuals who watch them = bashing. No one here refutes your right to critique kdrama, what we do take offense with is when you condem the viewers of kdrama on a kdrama fan site.

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Your comment makes no sense..

so, can one not talk about negatives of anything ever??

country, religion, human society, university, policies, food, kids, adults, education, money, corporates, .. dramas..

just because people work in companies, should they not criticize it?? And, then more often than not, people subscribing to your comment would be the ones to do a 180 degree turn and promote freedom of speech

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But I don’t think anyone thinks that a K-drama fan cannot legitimately criticise other K-drama fans on a K-drama website. I’ve done so myself, and no one was in the least offended. However, I’d taken the trouble to pinpoint exactly whom and what I was taking issue with, and why. Cat0cat’s criticism, on the other hand, seems either sweeping or unjustified or both.

Cat0cat claims to be criticising "a specific demography”. Who exactly constitute this demography? According to cat0cat, they are “foreign audiences” with "very superficial, limited needs”, who consume “trash dramas”, and who thus fuel the production of said “trash dramas”. But however you look at it, this definition is problematic. If we accept that every drama has its detractors who think it’s “trash”, then all international viewers are in effect consuming “trash dramas”. But if we limit “trash dramas” to, say, the dramas that cat0cat thinks are “trash”, then cat0cat needs to state what exactly their criteria are, and explain why their criteria override everyone else’s.

Take me, for instance. I’m a big fan of the far from universally popular Special Labour Inspector Jo. Someone, probably cat0cat, thinks it's “trash”. According to cat0cat’s claims, that makes me a viewer with “very superficial, limited needs” who is being pandered to with “trash dramas”. Can anyone blame me for being at least slightly annoyed about that?

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@knewbie...i see your point..and i can see what you are debating against (although OP still is entitled to his/her opinion as you are)

maybe it is the way comments are stacked.. because the order seemed like people pouncing on the original poster for just having their own opinion, and ganging up

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@knewbie still onto fictional characters and fictional stories. I don't find this much interest into fiction is good for anyone.
I surely took your serious view into consideration and i hope you won't again put words into my mouth. the claim of me being against a specific demography is delusion fantasy of fickle minds and only those unbalanced creatures can provide you better answer.
Foreign audience i defined it in its legal right of having Korean citizenship aka the one who drives the local economy.
There you go again intentionally marking 2 different things together to make a very point of view that suits your needs than being an actual representation. But you are on point - because from start i was into the business aspect of a tv media and i always concentrate more on that. Afterall, its all about money. And by no means i'm against such content if entertainment industry finds it lucrative. Its actual demand n supply. service provider is fulfilling the needs of customer. I don't know how many times i have to point it out. I have always held service provider as capable as the customer in this regard. Entertainment for an excuse doesn't fly far and it clearly shows what a production team+broadcaster think about the audience. I'm not the creator of any of that and i have no desire to associate with such unprofessionalism as well as bankruptcy of reason of either of them.

I'm not some official whose job is review media and whose views are taken into consideration by sponsers,broadcasters and production team. So i don't know why someone might think my criteria is of utmost importance and need to examined. I'm not questioning why someone has this and that view, or why someone is into this or that media. Its their life and they have freedom to have their point of view. As simple as that.
I will present myself for audit to the local audience when i'm assigned an official position. As said ealirer few times. Someone trash is other man's gold. Nothing can be perfect. No media can be perfect and no media can ever achieve 100% approval. And also i do consider that show low quality and you have every right to be annoyed. In the same way i have every right to call a show below or above average. I don't find it reasonable to be so enmoured by a fellow viewer's opinion about a fictional media.

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@catocat All the words in quotation marks in my previous post are taken directly from your posts. (Eg "You pet peeve is i'm talking about media of a specific demography.")

"Foreign audience i defined it in its legal right of having Korean citizenship aka the one who drives the local economy."

I'm confused. I took "foreign audiences" from your post below: "...only certain kind of dramas are being put into foreign audiences menu catering to their very superficial, limited needs". Since this is a K-drama site, I'd assumed that "foreign" meant all countries OTHER THAN Korea. Sorry, I didn't realise that by "foreign" you actually meant specifically Korean.

"So i don't know why someone might think my criteria is of utmost importance and need to examined. "
"And also i do consider that show low quality and you have every right to be annoyed."

I don't have any problem with others thinking that the show is bad or that its fans are superficial. They don't even need to produce any criteria for the show being bad. As you say, your views in themselves are far from important. But if someone tells me to my face that I'm superficial for loving the show, then I'd expect them to explain what it is about the show that makes its fans superficial. Otherwise it isn't valid criticism - it's just name-calling.

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I am not too sure if you read the weekly What Beanies are Watching. The deliberation here is NOT about ONE particular post by the poster in question. It is a culmination of the beanies’ community having to endure her/his rude comments every week for at least a couple of years that every drama under the sun is just trash.

And the poster almost always has his/her sharp tongue ready to be the first one to post so you must read his/her comments first. DB is by and large a genteel community sharing our drama love and we also respect different views in dissecting dramas, unlike some other sites.

To cause so many responses in this thread - I have to say - is honestly a case of ‘enough is enough’. No one has the god given right to bash and bash every week, whether or not you believe in god.

I hope the poster in question please kindly reflect your behaviour which is quite unacceptable in the real world.

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@knewbie wait a minute that's like one of my favorite shows in existence (special labor inspector) god i have been replying to so many of your comments sorry. BUT I LOVE THAT SHOWWWWWW

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@boughtabride heh I should've known you'd be a Special Labour Inspector Jo fan :)

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The majority of shows in any country will tend towards the mediocre as a matter of statistical fact. But your criticism of K-dramas simply is not factual in a year which has given us MY UNFAMILIAR FAMILY, STOVE LEAGUE, I'LL FIND YOU ON A BEAUTIFUL DAY and the sageuk WIND AND CLOUD AND RAIN. And this year is not even over with: I have a sense that DO YOU LIKE BRAHMS? has the potential to be a real winner once it starts airing- although we will not really know until it does. INTO THE RING is still airing and it is very good. MYSTIC POP-UP BAR was one of the best examples of the art of story-telling- something that goes beyond just being a drama.

On China I will generally concede your point as a whole, although there have been a few very good shows. On only has to compare the quality of re-makes, like the recent YOU ARE MY DESTINY to their k-drama or T-drama originals to see the way in which the heavy hand of censorship is hurting mainland Chinese shows (note- SYMPHONY'S ROMANCE may be an exception).

It is important to realize that when you talk about shows from developing countries like Pakistan that you are only getting to see the very best- the cream on the very top. With the more established markets, like the ROK, we get a lot of the rest- which is why we end up watching shows like FOREST.

I actually take it as very good news that Pakistan can now produce a high quality drama- we should all rejoice in this. But I trust that the examples I have given of some truly outstanding shows will at least justify my defense of the quality of k-drama as a whole.

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On Chinese dramas, I too will concede to your & the OP's point to some extent. However it seems like OP has obviously not seen The Bad Kids, the cdrama China is going crazy over, or Someday or One Day from Taiwan which again people are fanning over, for very good reasons.

If you choose to watch mediocrity only you can be blamed for dwelling on it.

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The Bad Kids is the best drama so far. By far. In any country. I'm pretty sure nothing will top it this year. I highly recommend everyone to watch it!
Loved Someday or One Day too. Still, The Bad Kids will be hard to top.

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@maybemaknae Thanks for putting The Bad Kids on my radar! That is right up my alley and I can't wait to start it and see what all the fuss is about!!

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@csmith you're welcome 🙃

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Can you please do the usual 1st post, so that we know exactly where to scroll over ?

I think you might have more fun at http://koalasplayground.com. The commenters there are on another level from Dramabeans.

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LOL, you are right, Kay! For a while I thought I was on koalasplayground! What I love about the dramabeans community over the years is that the users are respectful, supportive and don’t impose their opinions on everyone else. I love how comments are intelligent and diverse without putting people down.

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lol..religion is just another fandom..

you will always have something cropping up in some form or the other, because people are weak and like to feel strong by being part of these groups and exerting its influence to claim more power and higher status in the society

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Absolutely correct. That's why i said rationale not work on fandom as they take every criticism as offense and always try to defend the indefensible.

And i agree various points with you @oldawyer @rumirumi
@rumi we are far more right on Chinese dramas. Though, logical point can be made that only certain kind of dramas are being put into foreign audiences menu catering to their very superficial, limited needs.
@oldlawyer good drama term is very subjective but some close-minded identities think my words have more value than other viewers. Strange.

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“ I say relgion is a mental-disorder and i put fandom in same category because reasoning and rational not works against both.” @catocat

For heaven’ sake, you’re in a kdrama site! Do you have to be so condescending and judgmental? I’m a woman of faith and I do not appreciate your reference about religion being a mental disorder.

There is diversity in this group. There is no need to put others down if you do not agree with their beliefs or preferences.

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google the 1st line itself and you will get your answer in 1st 10 results. I won't spoonfeed.
Earlier i called religion = pimp aka middleman.
I appreciate those who have faith in god than showing loyalty to middleman.
Are we starting geography lessons here? You had not even a single word to say about tv dramas but wanted a place to vent out you frustrations and i provided that platform. Yeah for that fictional heaven's sake don't spam and talk about topic at hand from next time onwards. You have every right to like/love/dislike a view but don't like a bully.

@pyc i hope you reflect what you preach too. I usually ignore trolls and bully because they are one of the most mentally weak identities but that doesn't mean i'll just brush off every kind of diatribe few delusion minds indulge in. Learn to never merge fiction with real life.
And for someone's bigoted mind i've a simple answer - 2019 December top 10 shows. hope bigotry doesn't become your prime trait and i wish meaningful ONTOPIC discussion from your side than spamming here and there.

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The only bigotry and ignorance here is your insistence that religion is a mental disorder, and your labelling of K-drama fandom (“foreign” or “Korean” or whatever) as “atrocious”. I’m an atheist and a severe critic of religion, but even without considering the complexities of its origins and its relation to other areas of human behaviour, I know that much good, and many good people, have emerged from that institution. (And if you think you can mollify true believers with your analogy of religion as pimp, I feel it’s only fair to warn you that most people don’t appreciate having their god compared to a very popular prostitute.)

Similarly, I dislike many K-dramas, but that’s no reason to “look down on” fandom as you do. K-drama fans are fans for many reasons, and as you yourself said, the industry bears the greater responsibility for producing what you call “trash”. In any case, we all know that ratings have dropped spectacularly in Korea, so Koreans at least seem to be signalling their disdain for the industry quite openly.

As for spamming: if responding to what one feels is an objectionable post is spamming, then you've been doing exactly the same thing as the other posters that you’ve accused. We were all merrily commenting on various dramas till you informed us - i.e. consumers of trash K-dramas and C-dramas - how contemptible we were.

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@catocat Extraordinary how you're guilty of almost everything that you condemn me (and others) for. You accuse us of ignorance and exhort us to google things that you yourself sadly lack knowledge of. You say I flaunt what I "believe in and what not", though you constantly mention the same for yourself about all kinds of things e.g. religion, fandom, the media, politics, human behaviour. You accuse people of being bigoted and negative, when you are far more intolerant of others' beliefs, ideas and preferences, and more eager to attack them, than anyone I've met on this site. You say you don't respond to people who twist things to look cool, but that's what you've been doing since Saturday, and at great length too. You say you "don't even need to look down" on viewers of "trash dramas", but that was what you said you did in your original post.

Also, even if I'd misunderstood your point about demographics, just as I'd failed to understand your use of the word "foreign" to mean "Korean", the fact that you were not focusing on a specific demographic merely confirms my earlier point: that you are in effect saying that any group of people that enjoys any drama that you think is trash is "atrocious".

Btw I'm perfectly aware of the distinction between god and religion, thanks. It's you who are unable to understand my point about your "pimp" analogy. Do brush up your comprehension skills.

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@knewbie I'm gonna say it again. rather than writing wall of gibberish and making ridiculous claims you could have googled it. I never talk about real life in Saturday posts but if someone's whole life o objective is to post spam and intentionally indulge in trolling then i'll go ahead and point it out. I always ignore such spam but this time i'm standing up to bigots and this is causing them heartburn. Don't take someone's silence for weakness.

Also better google What intolerance means too. I have never rejected anyone's idea, having different views must be appreciated. If narrow Minded identities can't grasp this simple facet of life, then its their problem.

I not need to look down upon such identities and i've maintained this view for long time and always mentioned how drama team thinks of audience as low IQ and repeatedly humiliates them. . Only if someone's bigotry hadn't closed off their mind.

Someone's trash can be someone else gold. Hope this clears someone's clouded thoughts.
Ohh now its analogy. there should be a limit to hypocrisy. enjoy taste of your own medicine. Again if have so much time and knowledge of world teach something to your beloved coterie whose intolerance you also revel in.

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You have declared that general viewers/fans of K- and C-drama are “atrocious" on a public forum where the majority of the posters ARE viewers/fans. You have persisted in classing religion as a mental disorder even though that is patently untrue, and at least some posters here are members of that institution as well as perfectly sane. Most egregious of all: your referring to others as “atrocious”, “unbalanced creatures” and “fickle minds” is just @catocat frankly voicing his/her opinion and “standing up to bigots", but others calling you out for your abusive language and your warped view of religion are “trolls”, “bigots” and “malicious”. If that’s not hypocrisy I don’t know what is.

Also, I’ve got no idea what you mean by “oh now it’s analogy” because I didn’t make a single analogy in my previous post. And what "silence" are you talking about? From a quick look at your comments history, anyone can tell that you're the last person to stay silent. Finally, I wonder if your posts would sound a lot less nasty and confused if you just worked on both your writing and comprehension skills. I hope you’ll give it a shot.

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@screentime again a late reply. Its all upon getting raws. A lot of Japanese broadcasters order youtube to remove videos each and everyday. Many videos are region locked. Many don't even update media on youtube. And they have Sony GEM for earning from foreign audience. They have taken actions and given license to few online media platforms to broadcast them online. Costly services. And they are active enough to go after uploaders. If i were in media then i would try to maximize profit of company too. Its matter of livelihood, afterall.

I was surprised to see Higashide giving interviews for his upcoming movie. laughing, smiling, all relaxed. It baffles me how such serious cheaters don't face much for their -ve actions at all.

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Men are Men: Here we are, still watching, ha. There is something about this terrible drama that keeps me watching. It is so mediocre by every definition of the word, but here I am. lol

The Good Detective: Now this was an unexpected find. It is actually getting better. There is also a love line, which surprised me, but I am into it. Ji Hyuk and Seo Kyung were flirting, and I was like hold up, they are flirting😅. I realized you don't see flirting that often in dramas, witty banter, cute petty bickering, but never proper flirting so that was fun for me. As for the case, it is still kind of meh, I like that eveyone is getting along, but the Chief's redemption was nonsense, he let a man die. That is disturbing,

Memorials: Our OTP continue to be the living breathing definition of ADORABLE❤️. Their makeup was so cute. Also the two of them and my favorite child secretary Ja Ryong completely made my day. Now we are onto the past trauma angst portion of the drama, here we go,

Flower of Evil: Hee Sung and Moo Jin, I ship this friendship hard. The eyeroll heard around the world. I hollered when he rolled his eyes at you are so nice to everyone. Their back and forth is so funny. He has let go of his fear of him and they are getting along. Hee Sung is not a killer, just misunderstood. This more of a cat and mouse of whether his wife will figure out his identity, not whether he is a serial killer, If he killed the village foreman there will be some justification. That is fine, I like the show anyway.

It's Okay Not to be Okay: We are in the finale and I hope it brings us joy and no mother, at least by episode 16.

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I love everything about FoE right now but I'd be lying if Heesung/Moojin's partnership/frenemy-relationship isn't one of the main reasons I'm sticking with it.

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My dear twinsie, I feel exactly the same about every show.
I still don't know why I'm watching Men are Men because everyone gets on my nerves, but here I am.
I was delighted to see the flirting, de-ligh-ted! And I love the fact that our good detective is spreading his ways among other police officers. I too agree about Chief Moon redemption (he shouldn't have had it), but then again it was shocking that JiHyeok told SeoKyung that she was not to blame for not having shared the recording... I was like... what? and then the chief... it feels like a life is not such an important thing, which is quite horrible, but anyway, I'm enjoying the ride.

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Wow I thought I wrote it lol!
I'm watching the same shows and feel the same as you do!

The Good Detective: Son Hyun-joo and Oh Jung-se are fantastic as expected, but love Jang Seung-jo's acting.
He is really good!

I'm on the edge of dropping Men are Men... Ugh.
Probably I won't watch watch from next week. I'll fast-forward to find out what happened in the past (what Sun-Hee the evil mom did especially) basically.
The way Seo Ji-Hoon cried in the rain was super adorable though....

I'm also watching Chip-in on Wed-Thurs so I'm super busy on those days!

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We are triplets. @eazal 😁❤️

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hahahaha, the family is growing!!

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The eyeroll heard around the world was so funny. But was I the only one thinking about how much Moo Jin must smell after being locked in a basement for however many days?

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Lol totally agree, the eyeroll heard around the world is hilarious. Also, that's a good question. I was impressed that the show addressed his food and water needs, at least.

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I did think of that, actually, but I guess we are just going to ignore that. However they might have explained it away in that he was on a stake out for a story or something. Who knows? lol

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I'm sure Moo-jin didn't brush his teeth either.
I was kind of hoping Ji-Won would make a "you stink" face, but she didn't... lol

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Ooooh I'm so intrigued by your "Good Detective" comments, I skipped watching the episodes this week but I'm gonna watch them today!

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Same thoughts on MAM 💯

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Regarding Men are Men: I was meh on the drama b/c of the female lead (didn't like her in Kill me, Heal me) but she is not as bad as I thought she would be in this show. No screeching which is good. So my way of watching this was from Ep 10 lol yeah, and HJE and YHM had good chemistry so I decided to give it a go. I would have swapped out Was it Love for Men are Men recaps on this site.

Yoon Hyun Min was really good in Heartless City, he is one of those new leading men that I have a hard time pinpointing. I am intrigued by his presence but at the same time he has a certain charm to him. Would like to see him in another this time well written rom-com, but his next project is a law show :((

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I love YHM because or Heartless City, he was so good in it. The first role I saw him in was its okay thats love and he was completely different. So I always appreciate him as an actor.

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I just finished it and he was great in that role. Cocky, a bit smarmy, but always cool. I kind of go back and forth on him looks wise/acting wise. I think he's attractive, but there's also something a bit missing too imo? He has the potential to stretch out his talents more and get recognized for it, if he gets the right role that allows him to do so.

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So right, he is not on my pretty list, but he has something that makes him attractive, but is missing something to be on my pretty list. I sound so obnoxious, but I hope you get my meaning, ha.

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@kafiyah-bello Yeah he is not pretty, but he is attractive but not overtly so either if that makes sense? Someone said he looks like a grown version of Lee Jae Wook lol.

Aha, I get what you mean too! I think it's because he typically plays smarmy characters that take a while to chip away at their exterior. His personality seems cute though, his former co-star mentioned he texted her after filming was done to stay warm/take care of herself which she thought was flirting, but Jun Hyun Moo (I live alone days) said that's just how he is which is sweet.

Side note: His next drama is on TV Chosun eh (Their dramas are not my cup of tea/and they are lesser par on quality compared to JTBC/tvN). And its a legal drama so double eh lol. I know he has it in him, but he just needs that right role you know?!

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I sorta wish Men are Men was recapped here lol. It is trying too hard to do other things to rev up a tired genre, but the silly love triangle is annoying. HJE though is good here, no screeching or over-acting. I much prefer to SJH's role in Was it Love?

I guess I'll put it on a background watch for YHM and HJE's chemistry. Side note: The kiss scenes in the show are a bit steamy lol.

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HJE is one of the better kdrama kisses. She also tends to have chemistry with all of her costars, so I've always been a fan, lol in spite of the screeching. Their chemistry is great, but this drama is Blah blah, ha.

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I'm sorta iffy on HJE as an actress, but in MAM, she is good surprisedly. Yeah, their chemistry is cute and they had some good kisses thus far, but the plot/drama is meh/outdated. Why is it so hard to make a good rom-com? P.S: Love triangles are the worst b/c they take time away from the main couple, as are meddling parents too which this show has :/

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@kafiyah-bello Pretty much basically. Its so clear cut who the real OTP is, so its like pulling nothing out of thin air for plot filler UGH! And HJE usually picks rom-coms that deliver on the cute/fluffy part! But I get why the actors appeared, probably b/c its on a Public Channel, and it was a genre people are used to.

The past lives thing could've been quite deep if they just focused on the two and their deep love for each other that transcend generations/time. Basically have the show be 12 episodes and just have 80% of it be about the main OTP and their deep love for each other.

I remember it took me a while to get into Beauty Inside before finally enjoying it, but I don't know if MAM will do that.

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Train: Watched episode 1-8, it’s not a head above the other weekend shows but it’s the one I look forward to

Was It Love (Episode 9-10)
The writing of the 14 year misunderstanding made me want to puke because it is a miscommunication problem that Ae Jung should have resolved with Dae Oh even before Ha Nee was born: Ae Jung’s refusal to confront him or even let her family know the truth caused so much drama that led to so much heartbreak all around. In other news, A Rin (and Ryu Jin if the preview isn’t misleading) made selfish moves that exploded the distrust between the OTP: this is insanely bad writing for third-wheelers (Yeon Woo might receive a Honourable Mention here). Even Pa Do’s writing feels quite shaky.

United Effort to Accomplish One Thing (Episode 5-6)
That cliffhanger sent me severe 365: Repeat the Year flashbacks with the third-quarter reveal that throws the spotlight onto the leading character. In 365, it was easy to see in hindsight that the lead was not the culprit: the shoes that the lead was wearing was clearly different from the killer’s (directing mistake since the background music showed their intent of making the audience suspect the lead). We even saw it in this show with Nephew’s white pants when the Female Lead was clubbed as compared to the culprit’s dark pants (similar mistake). But regardless, is Bit Na innocent?

Memorials (Episode 11-12)
So my fantasy theory about Min Jae doing a long con as Chairman Jo’s secretary turned to dust as he jumped ship this week to Chief Won without a second thought, though his reasoning continues to suggest he might sacrifice himself for Se Ra in time to come? I was thinking that he was connected in some way to the past accident and went undercover to find out the truth: while he sincerely loved Se Ra at the start of their relationship, his desire to dig Jo’s dirt out affected the romance as he sacrificed it for his secret motives. It would certainly be an interesting revenge vs love development.

Flower of Evil (Episode 3-4)
After last week’s premiere, I was not sure whether to be happy or sad at the possibility that Hee Sung (or for the better twist, Ji Won) could be the serial killer: happy because a drama finally featured a villain protagonist and sad because I know that happening would be a near-zero probability. Now that this week’s episodes have placed that development in the coffin (unless this writer is up for the challenge which I highly doubt), it’s all about the execution of the usual serial killer chase with the added variation of the misunderstood sociopath trope and the tragic romance angle with the OTP.

Also watching: Graceful Friends (Episode 7-8) / It's Okay to Not Be Okay (Episode 13-14) / Men Are Men (Episode 9-10) / Backstreet Rookie (Episode 13-14)

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I was sad about the potential of Heesung actually being the killer slowly deteriorating too. It would've made such a nice plot. But, there is still time for the writer to pull something and maybe Heesung does end up killing someone (which I wouldn't be sad about... that sounds wrong but you get what I mean lol).

I'm glad you're enjoying Train though!

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I think it is possible @radily that it's not the writing of WAS IT LOVE that makes you sick, but the story itself. I don't think the writing is poor, in fact, I think the writing is fairly well done for the story and most of the side stories. There are even some beautiful parts. But the story itself is difficult and infuriating at times. From my perspective, a supporter of Dae-Oh, I am very worried about how he might completely loose it if (and when) he comes to learn he is the father of Hae-ne and that not only did he lose Ae-Jung back 14 years ago, but he lost his possibility for a family and a child and being able to have joy with that child and watch her grow. His heart was broken back 14 years ago. Had he known the full extent of his loss he never would have survived.
Now, personally, I find that story to be unusual and interesting and the writing that has taken the story to what it is so far in the episodes works for me. Unless the writers expect us to have sympathy for Ae-Jung, as if that is the case, I would have to agree that the writing is bad. I can't see any redeeming qualities in Ae-Jung yet. I am anxious for the new episodes and am more invested in this story than any of the others currently going on. Though I admit, I am not watching too many kdramas at the moment.

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I'm also loving Train, can't wait to finish commenting on DB and watch the latest episode (dang, I have a lot to watch today all of a sudden!)

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MEN ARE MEN: It is really too late to change an office rom-com triangle into a supernatural spiritual drama. Seo Hyun-Joo and Hwang Ji-Woo have been linked by their past lives. But they all apparently ended badly for her (which may be why he is trying to brain wash her.) Kim Sun-Hee is the 1970s college/present day stalker of the reincarnated Ji Woo. She is using her daughter to capture her long lost unilaternal lost love? But now we add in Park Do-Gyeom as a past life third wheel (the same role his has now). Is the lesson life repeats itself? It is too weird for someone to remember a past life to "claim" a (new) person in the present. This is not a story of fate but creepy obsession.
WAS IT LOVE?: Going into this week's episodes we had four men with different ideas: a doppleganger fantasy, a long lost broken college love, an alleged one night stand regret, and a puppy love crush. Too slowly have been the elimination of Hanee's father. I hate that a simple misunderstanding has led to 14 years of a missed father for Hanee. There is part of me that wishes AJ's statement that her husband was dead was really true so Hanee does not have to hear the lame excuse for her parents separation. (I was surprised that her mother does not know who is the father.) The only interesting story line is the hidden Pa Do and his late wife, which appears to be a gangland story. He married the daughter of a rival power gang (her shoulder tattoo) . Pa Do killed his wife's father or brother which led to a gang war in which she died (in the presence of her young son, who now mistakenly believes AJ could be his mother).
ONCE AGAIN: The fake aunt fraud was wrapped up too conveniently. Of all the family budding relationships, I do not get the eldest daughter's with the young delivery man.
Variety:
HOUSE ON WHEELS: The second part of IU's stay was underwhelming. I wish there was some conversation about her career, goals and even BTS stories from Hotel de Luna.
HOW DO YOU PLAY? The nervousness of the three veteran performers on the music show was unexpected and real. Their music videos were well produced.
FUN RESTAURANT: This show has turned from a great celebrity food porn competition to a trot singing show. Less songs, more cooking, please.

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@welh on WAS IT LOVE, I also am worried about how this story will move along as Hae-ne finds out who her dad really is. If it is indeed, Dae-Oh, as it looks like it probably is, how will Hae-ne feel toward her mom when she finds out the story. What Ae-Jung "thinks" she observed of Dae-Oh being unfaithful is not enough of an excuse to do what she did. Apparently, she didn't even investigate further. How could she just distrust him like that? Although the preview suggests that Jin intervened, too, which might be a crucial bit to the story. As for the side story of Pado and his gangland history, in order for that to work in this drama, the two "stories" will have to come together a bit more than they have so far. Somehow the other members of the cast, or at least a few of them, need to be brought into Pado's current situation. If they are not, then Pado's story is too disjointed from the main story to make it work smoothly. Having Pado be able to protect this woman who looks like his wife is a good thing, but it needs more. Otherwise, it is like a third arm, which is interesting, but out of place. BTW I watched a behind the scenes video in which the actor playing Pado is smiling. Wow, how beautiful! I hope he smiles big in this drama so everyone gets a chance to see it.

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Was she his wife though? I always got the impression she was the Woman gangster man had Unrequited love for.
They showed her socializing with other men, & Pa Do wasn't in the pictures.

I think he went bonkers after she was killed & killed the gang leader.

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I don't know, @Rumi~ if the woman was his wife or not. At one point someone said it was his wife, but since I don't understand Korean and rely on translations, I am not certain. Also, something from a recent episode that bothered me greatly was when she said to take care of her boy. Is he not the son of Pado? That is shocking. But again, sometimes meaning is lost in translation. All the more reason to keep watching. :-)

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I always suspected Dong Chan is not his son. I think the boys mom was a gang woman, or somebody's mistress. I don't think she returned Pa Do's love.

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That's kind of sad. It also makes me worry about Dong Chan. If that's true, how will he feel about Pa-Do? I hope it doesn't alienate him further. Poor Dong Chan. I always hoped he would fall for the auntie who is Ae-Jung's best friend as it seems they might make a good couple. But he doesn't seem to show even the slightest interest in her.

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@zzthorn yeah I got you, don't worry about it.

I also thought they might push the narrative there when Pa Do visited her pub, but frankly even standard kdrama fare seems out of this writers capabilities.

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Hi everyone!
This is my first time ever posting a comment here, but I've been following dramabeans for a good two years now! I figured it's about time I join and meet all you lovely people :)

What I'm currently watching:
It's Okay to Not Be Okay - Like many of you, I'm still finding it hard to believe Nurse Park is Do Hui Jae. I really hope they clear this up in the last two episodes (how time flies T-T) because I've loved every other aspect of the drama so far >_<

My Unfamiliar Family - I never thought I would love this drama but ohhh do I love it. After reading all your comments about it, I decided to give it a go last week honestly with little expectation I'd enjoy it (not a big fan of makjang :/). I'm completely hooked now and I cannOT get over the chemistry between Eunhee and Chanhyuk <3 only have 6 episodes left and I'm already sad thinking about finishing it :<

Pegasus Market - This one has been on pause for a bit. I find the humour hilarious but I don't find myself keenly wanting to watch the next episode. I'll see if I continue this one

Hospital Playlist Throwback - Ok, I know this doesn't really count as a kdrama but stilll it's an excuse to keep talking about my favourite drama this year! Uju is seriously the most adorable kid ever XD also, congratulations to Gummy and Jo Jung Suk on the arrival of their new baby girl! How exciting~~ Already know Jung Suk will become the best dad ever (and no doubt Gummy will become the best mum too)! IkJun and Uju's father-son relationship was to die for in HP hehe

Anyways, that's all for this week! Hope you all have a lovely day and week~~ :D

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Welcome to the thread! Looking forward to your comments :)

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Hehe thank you Eazal!!

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Welcome to beanie-land! And might I suggest you keep watching Pegasus Market. Personally I loved every episode and as the show progressed it actually got more fun.

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PEGASUS MARKET is a great pure comedy- with a lot of heart.

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@stpauligurl @oldawyer First of all thank you! I think I'll cling onto Pegasus Market and keep watching then! I'm sure it'll grow on me :)

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Welcome! May this be the beginning of many comments to come^^

PS I also LOVED Hospital Playlist, hands down one of the best dramas of the year. I also loved Prison Playbook, which was written by the same person.

... I also just realized the English titles are Hospital *Playlist* because they're in a band, and Prison *Playbook* because he's a professional athlete. I on the other hand am silly for just recognizing that now.

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Thank you!
I can't agree with you more on Hospital Playlist! The writing, the acting, the friendship between the 99ers, all our lovelines, I geniunely loved every aspect of the drama! I'm keenly waiting for the next season to come out, I need more Winter Garden content to warm my heart haha

I picked up Prison Playbook after HP ended and also adored it very much!! And yes, I believe the director is doing a Playbook/Playlist series. There's even a rumour that he'll be producing a badminton drama in the near future. Don't say you're silly! (I honestly didn't realise that until very recently either haha >-<)

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I just thought it was funny, since the korean title of the dramas are very similar, and while Prison Playbook kind of makes sense as a loose English translation, Hospital Playlist doesn't--but if they're not trying to literally translate the title it makes a lot more sense, haha

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Yeah very true. I mean there are literal translations for the title: Wise Prion Life and Wise Doctor Life, but I like the sound of Prison Playbook and Hospital Playlist more :)

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Welcome aboard @kdramaboo. If you haven’t you might want to give HEALER a look.

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Welcome! ....and I second Healer!

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Welcome!!!! I third, fourth, and fifth Healer❤️

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@marcusnyc20 @beantown @kafiyah-bello

Thank you dearly! I am proud to say Healer was one of the very first dramas that made me completely fall into kdramaland! It's been maybe five or six years since I've started watching kdramas and yet Healer is still my go-to recommendation for new kdrama watchers :) Maybe it's about time I rewatched it again :D

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Great. I am not surprised. HEALER was my introduction to the kdrama world.

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My archival explorations continue, this week with Miss Korea. I know it's been said many times before, but I can't think of anything else to describe it: what a GEM of a show! I started it for Lee Sun-kyun, but stayed for the FL Lee Yeon-hee, and the BEST loan shark with a heart of gold in kdramaland - Lee. Sung. Min. 

I thought it would be a formulaic rom-com, but the show hit the ground running with the first episode, asking tough and serious questions, ranging from female agency, identity, self-worth (with the pageant as backdrop) to class divides, unemployment, and financial crises (with the '97 AFC as backdrop). The former especially resonated because this was also the time when beauty pageants in my country saw a resurgence, and I recalled the long impassioned debates we'd had about the implications of their popularity. 

Maybe I'll give it some fanwall love once I'm done. In any case, this definitely deserves a place in the top 10 best kdrama rom-coms I've seen so far. If you haven't watched it, please do!

Meanwhile, the other little gem, Into The Ring continues to delight. I thought Hee-soo would come around, but ah well. We're going to see some Gong-myung-related angst on account of the accident/history, but like with the fight, I'm hoping all that gets resolved in one episode itself.

My rewatch of Stranger continues slowly but surely, and it is awesome as ever. On the recommendation of several Beanies, I had tried starting A Poem A Day, but realised I couldn't unsee Lee Joon-hyuk as Seo Dong-jae, and now, with Season 2 'round the bend, I think it's going to be a while before I get to APAD.

Otherwise, I've been a little busy with work, but hopefully I'll be back in action on DB soon! (Stranger 2 is coming after all...)

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I keep meaning to go back to Miss Korea. I didn't really like the ML in the 1st ep (I can't even remember why), but I always meant to go back and continue.

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The ML is a bit of a jerk in the opening few episodes, but keep watching to see where it's all headed, if you are so inclined. It has been one of the most heartwarming and feel-good dramas I have watched in a long time.

That said, as much of a fan as I am of Lee Sun-kyun, there were a few occasions while watching Miss Korea that I thought he was miscast. The FL, Lee Yeon-Hee, suited her role much better, in comparison. But it all falls into place somehow eventually. I would like to watch LSK in an age-appropriate romantic role, though, at some point of time.

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Korean shows like the concept of 'the jerk who is redeemed by love'. The trick, though, is not turning off the audience before the big transformation. In 'Pasta' I didn't want love to conquer all, I wanted the heroine to slash that jerk's car tires. What was that other series? 'Falling for Innocence' had a male lead who started out irredeemably AWFUL no amount of transformation could redeem him.

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Oh man I'm so bitter about Pasta. I was sort of fine with him until the last episode where he denies her her dream opportunity cause he can't do long distance and she's just like ok cool! Let's make out then! Sigh

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Oh and man I used to love that concept lol Secret Garden, YAB, Playful Kiss, BoF, etc but now I'm just too old (and wiser) to buy into that. I won't dismiss the concept entirely but it's rarer that I find one where it actually works.

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