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Team Dramabeans: What we’re watching

So, what are we all watching this week?

What kept you reaching for more (or agonizing when there was no more), and what made you want to throw your remote through the screen? Time to weigh in…

 

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Forest of Secrets 2: Okay, now things are cookin’. I still have to force myself to sit down and watch this, but at least I’m able to fall into the story a little easier. I’m especially into the reluctant bromance with Shi-mok and Dong-jae. What a good pair. Almost as good as Shi-mok and Yeo-jin. Speaking of which, who else felt their heart skip a beat when Shi-mok asked Yeo-jin, “You don’t draw these days?”

You From Another Star: Oh, how I’ve missed Shin Sung-rok and his character’s evilly evilness. *twists nail ring*

 

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Currently weecapping: Graceful Friends

When I Was the Most Beautiful: I should probably not be enjoying this show as much as I am, but there’s something about it that just grabs me. Yeah, it might be overwrought and setting up all kinds of future mayhem, but there’s something so palpable about this story — I literally feel like I can reach out of my screen and grab ahold of it, from the setting to the characters. Hwan broke my heart this week with the sweetness + agony of giving-up-but-still-protecting Ye-ji, his entire “I met you when I was too young” speech, the hike with his father (so great and packed with subtext), and the way all three men were present during Ye-ji’s marriage proposal. This drama covered a heck of a lot of ground in just a few episodes, and Episode 5 was so portentous I was kind of waiting for something bad to happen… except at the same time I’m totally not ready! What is happening, show!?

Flower of Evil: I am *this much* tempted to pick this drama up again just for Kim Ji-hoon with long hair. Is that bad?

 
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Alice is still nice!

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After I dropped Flower of Evil after episode five, there were only new dramas I watched this week aside from Alice:
Lies of Lies (good cinemstography)
Graceful Friends
Do You Like Brahms?
When I Was the Most Beautiful
Was It Love (rarely there's an end credits during wedding finale scene, I made fun of this)

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This time around I binged "Ex Girlfriend's club" and enjoyed it immensely🌟. I posted a review on my wall, will copy paste it here too :)
It's such a great watch, with a perfect balance between romance and comedy. It's exactly the kind of romcom I have been looking for and the kind of light and cute watch I needed after the dark and gritty "Watcher". It definitely tops my romcom list, second only to weightlifting fairy.
There was so much chemistry between Song Ji Hyo and Byun Yo Han🤩. Loved how their relationship progressed.
Also love the reluctant, grudging friendship that forms between the ex girlfriends. Despite it being literally the "Ex Girlfriend's club", their friendship also passes the Bechdel test!
The ex girlfriends could have easily become annoying typical ex's but their characters were so much more!
It's a shame honestly that it got such low ratings (it definitely deserved more) but I'm glad the epsiodes were cut down to 12 because 12 was perfect for it (otherwise they probly would have dragged the love triangle with director Jo).
On the whole I would definitely recommend this to everyone (don't judge it from its premier week which I admit was a bit rocky however from there on out it only gets better). It's a very underrated show and deserves more love.

After seeing that LollyPip reviewed "You drive me crazy", I decided to watch this too and enjoyed it incredibly. It was short, sweet and simply delightful. I will definitely be watching more of these short drama specials so if you've any suggestions, fire away :D

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I liked Ex-girlfriends as well.
If I remember correctly it also has Princess from King2Hearts... I loved her here as well.
Sadly, Byun Yo Han left the dramaland for movies...

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Ex Girlfriend Club!!! Such a fun show! And the OST is just- I love Jannabi and have to thank this show for introducing me to them hehe.

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I fell down the Jannabi hole this week. Having a great time.

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Heyyyy~~ Aren't they great? Probably my favourite Korean indie band.

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They are!! Right up my alley. I have known about them for a while and had a feeling they would be my kind of thing, but for some reason I’m only just now diving in.

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@kat23 do you have any favourite songs yet?

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Hmm...the whole Monkey Hotel album? I’ve mostly been listening to their two albums; I don’t think I’ve made it through all their OSTs yet.
I’ve yet to find a bad song, but some current standouts are:

Hong Kong
Jungle
Wish
Dolmaro
Monkey Hotel
Land of night
See Your Eyes
Good Boy Twist
geum ui hwan hyang

What are your favorites?

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I watched The Package recently. It has 12 episodes also and it was a really fun and heartwarming watch. If you haven't seen it yet I would highly recommend it.

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I just watched it a few weeks ago :) and agreed it is a heartwarming watch🧡

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This drama was really great, touching and funny. The casting was very good.

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Ex-girlfriends Club was kind'a bad but in an entertaining way, which is the best kind of bad. Song Ji-hyo at her best. I haven't seen it since Drama Fever days.

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Have you seen to.jenny yet? It's about the same length as You Drive Me Crazy. Also cute and sweet!

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Yupp I have watched it <3

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Do You Like Brahms They sold us the FL as a girl who started to study violon late and her struggles... After 2 episodes, we barely saw her play violin and now she's working in Foundation >_< I really hope she will play more in the future and her story will be about music too. I hate when the pitch of the story doesn't hold more than one episode like Glory Jane, he was baseball player and her a nurse and they ended to work for a compagny...

When I Was the Most Beautiful I love the scenery and the instrumental music sounds so tragical but really beautiful. The story is cliché after cliché otherwise.

Alice I'm really curious about it.

Missing: The Other Side It was pretty funny for the theme. Poor ML, nobody believes him.

Forest of Secrets 2 I'm rewatching the season 1 and I think the fact Shi Mok doesn't feel emotions the same way is a good point for the ones who messed up in the past. He doesn't hold grudges.

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That's why I'm not sure if I will watch Missing: The Other Side in the future.

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His voice, demeanour, eyes and acing style makes him a perfect typecast for prosecutor, office worker drama. Lame Game ws good for him.
Cliche is headache - 5 minutes of worth every episode.

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I also hope she will come back to playing the violin... and will be happy despite not being the best best best player.

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I'm slightly tempted to watch Alice as well. Thinking about it.

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JAPAN -

My Housekeeper Mr. Nagisa - 7 out of 10. Special episode next week. Episode 09 translated. Not so much to say about the show now. the i ntern has his own spin-off and i want that translated. that one has some potential.

low on energy so couldn't concentrate on more media.

Hanzawa Naoki Season 2 - 7 out of 10. yup meme i had to reduce te rating. 1 week delay of episode 08 because of heath concerns. Still far better business fight child style.

Nina my Love - 6.5/10. it was clear where mangaka was going with the story and it makes sense. For every action +ve or -ve there have to be a reason. No one is born good or bad. Nina shows sae tendencies which she accuse the other guy of. It shows you real life political atmosphere to where supporters and opposition both have almost same characteristics, yet opposition acts noble.

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Stranger - Whatever damage Odd episodes do, even episodes try to salvage it as much as possible. Whole show is in shambles and so are its out of character characters. Show is meandering between mediocrity and average. K+CN business nonsense only go as far as addition and subtraction. Well, they know better than audience have no clue about how legal structure of companies work and how companies Act provide guidelines of structure as well as requirements. Better start counting wealth on fingers. Then no one knows about carsharing or car pooling. Well, its not like they have to pay for the gas. Dong-Jae's character was trot around doing mostly -ve acts and saving himself, this time around he's done none of -ve act except looking at trash.
Writer wanted to show different side of Shi-Mok and Yeo-jin but execution was completely off. Idea isn't half bad but does look too forceful especially when you take Shi-Mok into consideration. Right now this one is not more than your another generic kdrama out there.

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Do you like trash? - 4/10. This is your typical who gets into pants of who drama. generic story,characters and story telling. Same old muh hero/heroine with that specific personality. This drama will be in couple mode full scale with glycerin tears. Nothing good or original for 1st week and nothing can be expected from future weeks. Less talk about acting the better.
Only if the writer have the guts to treat characters as average individual.

Happiness - 4/10 - This Chinese drama is horrible. writer introduces problems but never solve them, problems are superficial and made so that audience could sympathise with hero. Hero in saint mode. All females characters are intentionally made selfish and deceiver.
Hero does get happiness but nothing of that makes you feel +ve. bad translation, watched all 44 episodes with skip after skip scenes of flattery and useless chit-chat

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@catocat - RE: My Housekeeper Mr. Nagisa
Well that leap gave me whiplash.

I know you always point out the embedded messages about J's declining population. In that context - this drama just stepped so far outside the box its not even in the same universe.

All part of a much larger TLDR: discussion on why J women are making choices about family.

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Just caught the first episode of do you like Brahms? It was a nice easy watch- just what I’m looking for. Watched till ep 12 of its okay to not be okay. I think I’m going to drop this. It’s just not sucking me in.

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I didn't drop Brahms... same as IOtNBO or both shows you mentioned. I survived from dropping both.

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I love Do You Like Brahms, but part of the reason is I can relate to the characters' issues in that I also studied music and liberal arts and wondered constantly how I was going to support myself and if I was good enough to even be attempting this. I feel that people are dismissing it as trope-y because of the love triangles but I feel that it still has interesting things to say in terms of fine arts: our hero is teetering on the edge of being a has-been at the ripe old age of 29, our heroine abandoned a lucrative business career to follow her dream and her upper-middle-class career-oriented family still can't understand it, and even the has-it-all second-lead-female, another former prodigy, could not find a professorship. Maybe it is too nerdy, but I love it.

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I’m hoping for a sweet supportive and swing relationship between the two. Kim min jae does quiet and restrained so well. Even though we’ve got varied triangles, I’m really looking forward to this.

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I meant swoony not swing

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Lol a swing relationship would make for a very different kind of drama (would probably be 19+)!

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LOL I don't think so, they all seem to be the typical Virgins for Music

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Men are Men: It is done. It is completed. It ended on the whimper it started with. MEH

Do you like Brahms?: It turns out that I do. I really enjoyed the first episode. I liked their awkward first meeting. I like that the male lead seems to genuinely be very kind. I enjoy the chemistry and I like the characters. I hope it continues to be good, their were some minor annoyances, but nothing too bad.

Flower of Evil: We know the our apprentice and murderer now. SIGH. It's fine. All I can say for our leads is AWWWWWWWWWWW. Also my poor Moo Jin, the best sidekick EVER. He is a real one and I would be glad for him to be my bestie.

Alice: NO. I said What?, How?. this doesn't make any sense. The entire 2nd episode. So unfortunately despite the great cast chemistry. I am out unless I laugh my way through it.

Forest of Secrets: I still love it!!!!

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I hear you about Alice and I think you can give it a try Missing. The premiere was nicer, maybe too nice for an OCN drama?

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MAM: Pretty much. Although I did enjoy the lighter episodes of Ep 15/16. It could've been worse, but I think they ended the show the best way they could given the rl circumstances. Ending was a good circle back to Ep 1, and a bit progressive for K-dramas. That being said, it should've been shorter. YHM is cute, the end lol.

FOE: Up to Ep 10, but its been good thus far. Took a mini break on it, but I've a feeling the real suspects are. Really like Moo Jin too, thought he would've died but he didn't lol.

Alice: I do like Sci-fi, but K-dramas are awful at fully executing those ideas b/c they derive into classic K-drama tropes UGH which seems like the case here.

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I've been on the fence about Alice, but I think I'm tumbling to the side of other shows. Am totally with you about Brahms!

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I fished Into the Ring and what a lovely little gem. Yes, it did loose a bit of steam towards the end... but it never lost its cuteness... (and weird camera angles 😆)... and the main couple was a pleasure to watch (and the kisses!! 💕 I even suspected that the actors had a real thing for each other 🙂)

I also managed to check Brahms and When I Was the Prettiest. I like the first one, despite a slow pace and many many many hidden and complicated feelings the main group has for each other. I like the musical setting (I played violin many years ago), I like that also people who are not geeeeniuuuus are at the centre... and I think Kim Min Jae and Park Eun Bin have a nice chemistry.

I didn't like Pretty though. Like not at all. I found it cringy... and full of (old school) cliches, badly executed. The characters are flat and I have no clue why are both brothers interested in the heroine. I speeded through the first episode and only my weaknesses for Ha Suk Jin may leave a bit of the temptation to still try the second episode.

My ventures to the Chinese dramas:

Paused Heiress as I read some spoilers about (SPOILER ahead!) an open ending (with the couple not ending together). I need to decide whether to watch anyway... or stop.

Probably dropped Sleepless Princess, the first episode was funny, especially the ending when the heroine sort of turns to a rat 😁 But then I got bored... and also didn't like the constant lying of the main girl.

Procrastinating with Quing Quing Zi Jin, whenever I need something light and breazy (= often 😀)... and I'm having fun with the naive but physically strong heroine and the bandit poet.

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The bold section was of course by mistake 🙈

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I got sucked into When I Was the Prettiest because of the cinematography. I mean, is the title talking about the heroine (or, frankly, Ji Soo) or really is it talking about the way this story is filmed? Yes, it is filled with story lines as old as the hills - brothers fighting over the same girl, first love, childhood trauma, evil stepmothers, orphans, country vs. city life, etc etc etc - but it is shot so poetically that I forget about the clunky story and just relish that single moment of existence, like the father/son embrace on the mountain top.

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You and some other lovely Beanies made me wonder if I should go back to watch Prettiest. I’m easily drawn by beautiful cinematography; but I just want the colors to be a bit brighter...

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Episodes 4 and 5 have some brighter colors. It sounds silly for this extremely cliched drama but a larger screen is a must.

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@mmmmm Did you watch Bride of Habaek? I only made it through because I loved the filming and colors.

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Into the ring is 💚

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Gotta hand it to Into The Ring for sticking with its quirky camerawork. The 'Wes Anderson style' only lasted for the first two episodes of 'How To Buy A Friend' then they chickened out and went back to traditional K-drama cinematography.

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It was definitely a plus point for me that they kept the camera style till the end.

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Oh, how I’ve missed Shin Sung-rok and his character’s evilly evilness. *twists nail ring*

Omomo! Yes for watching Shin Sung Rok! Hahahahaha 🤣

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Why did I think about you when I read this comment? 🤔🤣

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👀🤭

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☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️😷📱 I almost gave @sailorjumun some coffee too as a reward for advertising SSR.

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Flower of Evil: Episode 11 is why I love melodrama. The real Hee Sung being the accomplice made me roll my eyes, but the actor is sufficiently creepy.

Do You Like Brahms: I like the slow, quiet, moody vibe. I wish the drama would ditch the Brahms-inspired love triangle and focus on 29-year olds making their way in the world of classical music.

Forest of Secrets 2: This season feels really scattered: Drowning, dead guy in car, policeman suicide/murder, Hanjo, assemblyman, missing weasel ... I guess the writer has a plan to pull all of the threads together, but I find my mind wandering.

Alice: It's a bit cheesy but I love time travel, good or bad. I find Alice intriguing because I can see a similar service being offered for money if there really was time travel, and of course, it going terribly wrong. I like that by Episode 3 Jin Gyeum has already figured out that time travelers exist.

Missing: The Other Side: It's okay. I don't care for Go Soo as an actor, but I like the village of dead souls.

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Flower of Evil: The pacing is just exceptional. Hope the writer manages to complete the drama without it falling to pieces. All the actors are killing it in this show.

Stranger 2: The corporate shenanigans do little for me. I'm invested in the other story and glad to see some forward movement with the cliffhanger.

Perfume: I noticed people who stuck with this drama seemed happy with it so I jumped in and I'm liking it so far.

Do You Like Brahms: There are a lot of tropes that I'm not fond of...unrequited love, love squares or octagon or whatever. Downtrodden gal with a unsupportive family (I hated the sister though she was on the screen for 5 minutes.) However, I really like the awkwardness of the leads and they seem to have a lovely chemistry.

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Perfume is 💜. Seo Yi Do, Min Jae Hee and Min Ye Rin! ☺️😆🤩

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This is a drama that on paper just didn't sound appealing to me but, so far, it is working well.

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Hehe. On paper it does sound cliched but I like how it takes on many kdrama tropes and presents it with a twist of its own. Hopefully you'll enjoy the ride to the end ☺️.

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This made me laugh "love squares or octagon or whatever."

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I mean it is just a little stretch to get to octagon ;)

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I was trying to figure it out. We have 4 leads plus at least two side characters involved.

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I think it's a Love Hexagon at the moment, or almost. We don't quite have another side connecting the two friend groups.

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FoE: great acting, fast pace, risk of implosion. Totally agree with your assessment. Let's hope it holds up until the end 😂

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I have been burned before so I just take it week by week. The drama gods have failed me one time too many.

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I think Do You Like Brahms works best when you think of it as a coming-of-age story rather than a romance. Even though they are in their late 20s and a couple of them have stellar careers, there is still this feeling of the characters struggling to get past first loves and worried about how they are going to make their way in the world. I think it is telling that the character with the most stable, successful career - the violin maker - is the character we see the least. We don't even know who he likes yet, and he is supposed to be a part of this, uh, love-double-triangle.

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Is the violin maker the one with the most stable career? I would’ve said Joon-young has the most stable career, even though it appears to the rest of the world that his peak has come and gone.

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I thought so too, at first, but this sabbatical hints at deeper issues: fear of competitions, touring fatigue, issues with motivation and perhaps even physically, with his hands. He isn't even practicing regularly.

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Agreed, but I think those deeper issues haven’t necessarily affected his career yet. Not in the sense of threatening his livelihood or anything like that, anyway. However, it does seem like that could be something that might happen in the long-run if he lets these problems fester.

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I didn't think of it as coming- of- age but I get what you are saying. I think for the lead, it is about reckoning with what society wants/expects/demands re: competitions rather than what he might want. Is it something non-musical or getting back to having joy in his art, which he definitely doesn't seem to have now?

With her is it getting better and going all-in on music because it gives her so much joy or accepting that she isn't good enough? So many artists have to accept that they aren't good enough or lucky enough to make a living off something they love and I don't think it gets explored enough because everyone is always "genius" level.

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Do you like Brahms because of my love for classical music.

Binge-watching Secret Garden now. Haven’t seen this ever and I’m enjoying it. 🥰

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SecretGarden is so OTT! I loved it so much. It was a huge phenomenon in SK at the time, all kinds of people were wearing the sequined track suit.

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and some of us travelled to jeju island and stayed at The Seaes Resort to experience being where they filmed and to sit on the bench with my hubby for a photo...
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OMG! How exciting! It looks so beautiful there.

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plan to visit Jeju Island... it is very beautiful, and the jeju black pork is the absolute TO DIE FOR samgeobsal...

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Missing: The other side. I liked the premiere: we got to know all our characters and set things for whatever is coming. I don’t buy the bright “stand by” town as a happy place, and considering this is an OCN show I hope it gets darker, because I’ve already seen Ghost Whisperer and I never understood how Jennifer Love Hewitt could manage that perfect long hair while saving souls all around (I know, I know, this doesn’t make much sense but in my head it does).

Men are men. I’d love to say the agony is over, but Viki is late (again) in episode 16 subs. Had it been another show and I would have watched elsewhere, but I just can wait. Episode 15 went back to the first episodes comedy but it was not really funny and I still don’t understand why the leads are together when they haven’t had a proper conversation about anything, they’ve only mourned about how they split up in the past. I foresee redemption for crazy CEO, which I don’t get because she should be locked up forever (in prison or in an mental institution like most of the stalker characters in this show, which are almost of all them). If you plan to watch, do it, but I don’t recommend it. At all.

Do you love Brahms. I liked our awkwardly (in a good sense) couple, but I don’t get the rest of the triangles involved. I want to see more of them as I can see where they can go and I love that place. I have a terrible “Dinner Mate exes” feeling about the other members of the hexagon, like they are going to be in the middle making noise and annoying, and I don’t see this cute and sweet couple as confident as HaeKyung and DoHee. I hope I’m wrong an I’m not asking for a ToD on episode 6.

Flower of Evil. Let the makjang begin! Fate. Childhood connection. Childhood trauma. Evil CEO. Amnesia. Can we have a “we are brothers?”, please. It was really disappointing to discover all the Baeks are involved in the crimes (past, present and future). But I’m still here for LJG while I roll my eyes for the next five hours.

Stranger 2. No. No. No, No. And NO. You can’t kill DongJae on episode 6, or in episode 14, or ever. Full stop. (Loving all the legal and philosophical discussion with all the beanies both in the comments and the wall).

I finished Chief Kim. What a fun show to watch. Highly recommend it to any beanie who hasn’t watched yet. My devotion to Lee Junho and Namgoong Min is eternal. It’s amazing how many rabbit holes I inhabit!!

I began Save Me. I’m liking it. The first three episodes felt a bit slow, and I know people told me it would be hard to watch, but I binged 12 episodes in three days! I like its path. I always find fascinated all these cults and how people can fall into them, but then I realize that the ones behind them are all about manipulating people, because they know how to touch the proper strings to make you fall. For a non religious person like me it’s amazing and also very scaring because I know anyone (even me) can...

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(Cont) ... can fall into them, but then I realize that the ones behind them are all about manipulating people, because they know how to touch the proper strings to make you fall. For a non religious person like me it’s amazing and also very scaring because I know anyone (even me) can fall into this. I’ve always loved Taec Yeon and I’m pleasantly surprised by his acting (I had only seen him a drama in that terrible thing called The Game Towards Zero that I never finished and where his ears kept distracting me from his acting -yes, it was me the one who started it!-, while here I can barely notice them). DWH and SYJ are fantastic as expected. But may I say how much I admire Jo Yae Yoon? He’s always amazing, but here he’s just the creepiest guy ever. Only some weeks ago I watched him in such an opposite character in The Good Detective. Hats off to him!

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Taecyon's ears are a Korean national treasure and should never be overlooked 😂

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They are some of the cutest ears ever, haha.

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I really liked Save me, so I am glad to hear. Oh Taec Yeon, beautiful man, mediocre actor. That being said much like Suzy I have a soft space in my heart for him.

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He was terrible in The Game, but I found his acting not that bad here. And he's just adorable.

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Only saw him acting in SM and found that he started off horribly but kind of grew into the role. Anyway, dude is so good-looking and charming that even when his acting is subpar, I'm like awww, sweetie!

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I can laud JYP as a businessman for how he manages to keep talentless actors like these front and center, but he certainly isn't a humanitarian or an artist.

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FoE: I'll join you in the 5-hour-long-eye-roll 😁 The baddies are a bit too extra for my taste - serial killer, excomatose genius with baby voice, people trafficker and his goons, evil medical foundation in cahoots, that's just a lot of evil!- and this is the point where I'd usually get off the drama. But LJG and MCW are delivering such great acting and chemistry that I can't take my eyes away from the train wreck that this is likely to become 😂

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Exactly! Just when you know the train is coming, you don't really care if there are other things to compensate and LJG and MCW are doing so good I would feel bad to leave them alone among all that mess.

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The baby voice is so bizzare because in the flashbacks he doesn't have it, so why does he have it now.

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Been wondering the same too! Can it be his baby voice for when he 's talking to his parents? It gives me Michael Jackson vibes, very creepy

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😱😱😱😱 Michael Jackson, OMG! You’re right!

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My guess is that it’s at least partly a product of not having spoken for over a decade. It’s not entirely surprising his voice would sound a bit odd after the long period of disuse.

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@smaltwalt, weird voice as consequence of disuse is also a possibility, you're right!

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May I say that if the voice is weird about the years of not using them, we can talk about how he looks so good. My uncle was in induced coma for 3 months and he loss all his muscle mass, and this guy looks like he’s just came out of a gym... @smaltwalt

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First, Drama-UnderwaterCPR, and now Drama-Coma Recovery (*shakes head) Clearly, Writernim isn't big on research 🤣🤣🤣
Oh, well! Seeing Heesung going through a gruelling recovery would probably affect the pace of the drama and my suspicion is that we're not supposed to feel too sorry for him

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Honestly, I don’t mind the villains that much. I like the pacing and I love how they’ve managed to keep the excitement going and to keep us guessing until now. For me, though, this show is more about the personal dynamics between Ji-won and Hyun-soo as they try to navigate an unimaginable situation. I like the themes that are being explored in this respect and I genuinely love these characters and their relationship. Oh, and MCW and LJG are just plain amazing in this.

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You're so right: this is a love story disguised as a thriller. HS and JW are great! JW said it at the beginning: "I only believe what I can see", and she can see him, no matter what he thinks about himself. Love it how they understand each other beyond words and how they deeply care for each other. HS's breakdown on the bridge, and then that talk at home were just *chef's kiss

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Agreed with everything you’ve written!

There are plenty of questions I’m still curious about as well which are keeping me glued to the investigation. I want to know how the accomplice came to know and collaborate with Hyun-soo’s dad (I don’t trust what he said last episode), I want to know what happened to the Kyeongri Village foreman, I want to know why the accomplice was after Hae-so, I want to know what happened to Hyun-soo’s mom, I want to know more about Hyun-soo’s lost memories from child and his general relationship with his dad, and I want to know if Hyun-soo is actually a psychopath.

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I think we'll be hoping for a piano of doom or maybe even a tuba of doom rather than a ToD in Brahms.

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Oh, this would “suite” much better 😂

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I liked Taec Yeon best in, Dream High. That was my first introduction to Kim Soo Hyun too.

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Yay, so glad you enjoyed CHIEF KIM! :D

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And Junho and NGM.

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Both of them, yummy, yummy!

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"I have a terrible “Dinner Mate exes” feeling about the other members of the hexagon...." Oh, man, I SEE IT now!! You are so right, this potentially has echoes of pulling out my hair again. And this OTP is a less of a force than Do-hee and Hae-kyung. Fingers crossed they don't go down the dark path.

I definitely need to get on Save Me. I keep circling around this each week on these threads, and you're the latest to give it a thumbs up - think I might finally jump in this weekend.

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You won’t regret watching Save Me, but the first four episodes may be too slow, at least they were to me (it’s like the set up part), but it only gets better and I watched the other 12 episodes in just three days.

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Is it possible to fast-forward a bit during the first four eps, or do you have to just bear with them otherwise you miss too much?

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I wouldn’t, maybe it was just me, but I guess you can.

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The drama gods probably should have swapped titles between WAS IT LOVE and MEN ARE MEN. Or merged them together to try to find one cohesive story line (like trying to find something good at a stale buffet near closing time). In MEN ARE MEN, the open question remains “Was It Love?” I fall into the absolute NO category. The acceptance that past lives have any true bonding effect in the present is what ruined the main story line. I could never get over Ji Woo’s stalking, hiring, and brain washing Hyun Joo in order to change his past lives obsession. For me, the past lives stories derailed the series.The final two episodes were boring and flat. The couple making a public commitment of being together as independent individuals and not formally married is in direct contradiction to South Korean law that recognizes what it calls "De Facto Marriages" or common law marriages of couples who have not legally registered their marriage but who have either 1. made it publicly known that their relationship is akin to a marriage, 2. had a public wedding ceremony, or 3. have been cohabiting as though they are married. Despite all her protestations, Hyun Joo has fallen into her own marriage trap.
As for WAS IT LOVE, it constantly bounced back to “Men being Men,” inserting themselves to “solve” AJ’s problems without asking her; to the final grand noble idiocy fueled by a ridiculous scandal about a novel, A FICTIONAL story based on a writer’s experience. The slang translation for Dae-oh’s new pen name is “Dumb Ass.” Obvious point taken. The most compelling scene was Sook-hee’s backstory: she lost her child so she admires AJ. Hanee got her wisdom and maturity from living with Sook-hee as well as her common sense from her grandmother. I really hated the manager’s interruption of Sook-Hee and Pado at the premiere party - - - that moment apparently doomed any spark of a relationship (since Sook-hee was not in the front row seat as Dong Chan’s stepmother at the unexpected wedding ending.)
ONCE AGAIN: All the happy check marks were in place: eldest son successful; eldest daughter successful; younger daughters approved for marriage to brothers; Mother properly diagnosed for condition to find she will soon have two daughters she always wanted to have; the aunt having a solid but quirky relationship; and Father reuniting well with his long lost sister. But you cannot fly to the ending without some more “conflict” with Na Hee sudden mid-section pain which I presume will affect her ability to have children, which will cast some doubt on Gyn-Jin, who has been shown wanting to have children.
LIES OF LIES (Episode 1): The premiere answered my pre-show questions about Lee Yuri’s character losing her child and and a solid foundation for a revenge plot. There was no filler in the first episode so we cleanly begin for the search for her child (with the standard “fate” component.). Very good start.
Variety:
HOW DO YOU PLAY?: Jae Suk will have his hands full with three...

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independent and opinionated singers as the Refund Sisters.
THE SIXTH SENSE: Jae Suk must like female punishment because his new series also stars Jessi and So Min. It is a simple theme: find the fake thing out of three scenarios. The first episode was really good puzzle.
HOUSE ON WHEELS: The last two episodes with Ha Ji Won were nice. As I posted elsewhere, Dong-il is a master at casting friends and colleagues so they feel at ease while camping with him. Ji Won just finished filming a movie with Dong-il and Hee-won. She was so at ease that fully got into fishing (for the first time) and showed some of her own breakfast brunch cooking skills. I hope there is a Season 2.
As some dramas finished, I found myself wandering the YouTubes to watch english subbed Vlogs. Uhm Ji Won’s recent day-in-the-life was interesting because she got up at 5:30 a.m. to shoot her TV series to return home at 2:30 a.m. The life of a actor is not glamorous. Wayland by Way (Crayon Pop) is very interesting because she in engaged with her viewers who want to know about the idol industry.

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I totally feel you about Men are Men. I never understood why leads were together, their past lives shouldn’t be the answer to that. I could understand they falling for each other because who they are in their actual lives, but the only reason we get is just the past (and how can someone who’s been involved in the Japanese Resistance and the Students protest in the 70’s have anything in common with a chaebol?). The inconsistency of this drama in terms of plots matches DOTS or Melting me softly.

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That is a great theory about Men are Men and Was It Love - perhaps the only way I could explain why Was It Love dumped all its themes down the toilet! 😂

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Lies of Lies - agree with you. Show has real potential.

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I am gonna talk about what I am watching too, but first:

Is anyone watching or watched SF8? I watched the first episode. I dont even know where to begin with. WTF WTF WTF. Lee Yoo-Young is freaking amazing. The story is so WTF. I am not even sure if I should be watching this now in the middle of the pandemic. But I cant stop thinking about it. I was supposed to binge watch the whole thing, but after the first episode, I am gonna do one a week. It was wayyyyyyyy beyond my expectations. It was amazing but very very.... I dont even know which words I should use to explain it. I loved the conflict. the right and wrong, the expectations.

Alice - I watched the first 2 episodes and I liked it. As I said before, I am willing to forget some plot holes (episode 2, I am looking at you), for the sake of the drama. I like that they are not trying to explain how Alice works (so far), but are focusing in the mother/son son/father(?). I am loving Kim Hee Sun. She has this amazing aura, that will keep me going.

When I Was the Most Beautiful - I could not even bring myself to finish episode 3. It was so extra cringy. I am gonna stop now and come back on episode 10 or by the time they kill the older brother (I already know they are gonna kill him, because this show is so extra cringy, that I dont see how the younger brother will get the girl, unless they kill the older brother).

Do You Like Brahms? - This is exactly what I was looking for. It is so good. I like all the characters so far. The only drama I am counting the days for the next episode.

Age of Youth/Hello, My Twenties - Still havent finished, but I am liking it more now. The nail episode was so spot on. I am watching because of Han Ye-Ri and that episode really shows how amazing she is.

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Isn't SF8 a collection of stories? Like Drama Special?

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It is a collection. Each episode is a different story.

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SF8 yes!!!! I'm such a huge Black Mirror fan so having SF8 right now makes me so happy to have an ongoing series of this genre!!! EP3 Joan's Galaxy was such a gem 💝 I wasn't really excited to get into that episode basing on the synopsis, as much as I was with Prayer and Manxim, but boy that episode such a pleasant, heart warming surprise.

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IMO SF8 is shaping up to be a bit more interesting and diverse than Black Mirror, possibly because the episodes have different writers, and most of the episodes appear to be based on existing short stories. SF8 also has the advantage of a group of up-and-coming directors, most of whom already have acclaimed feature films to their names. So far, this approach has yielded three very distinctive, rewarding films; judging from the preview, ep4 is going to be yet another new experience!

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I had to check it out episode 3 after your comment (I am skipping episode 2 so far), and I had to take a break when they are in class and the teacher says something about how earth was plagued and how people of our generation is not allowed to travel anymore and we have to read in books and take classes of how is it to be in that place/country. That hit me harder than I thought. Overall, it was a gem. It was cute. I kinda already expected that to be the end, but still really cute.

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Glad you enjoyed Joan's Galaxy! What I love about this genre is its overarching question of how do we continue feeling, thinking and being human in spite of and despite of the technological advancements that is changing (and will continue to change) how we live.

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SF8 sounds a bit like Black Mirror, which I really enjoyed (even the bad episodes were good enough for me). Can't find it in my region's Netflix or Viki, though. Still pondering if it's worth turning to illegal sites or if it will eventually show up on Netflix. But your comment makes me feel very tempted to check it out now!

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Dah, silly me, just saw the rest of the thread. Black Mirror, ok!

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There is a review for SF8, if you want to talk about it.

https://www.dramabeans.com/2020/08/sf8-the-prayer-episode-1-review/

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Thanks!

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I loved loved Age of Youth, this is where I was introduced to Park Eun Bin and Han Ye Ri. Fabulous and excellent!!

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Park Eun Bin was incredible in the season 2. She was still with this crazy character but her research for the truth showed a new facette.

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I've been really impressed with the SF8 episodes.

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Alice: I'm kind of allergic of sci-fi so it was mostly the actors that inspired me to pick this one up - I liked how ambitious it was and the first episode set up the story nicely. Saying that, I didn't finish the second episode. I kind of just want this to be a movie - the second hour could have had Tae-yi meet her son, the two of them understand why she was killed, take down Alice, and tentatively wrap things up with a "we've saved the day, but where do we go from here?" kind of ending. So yes, I think I've already gotten what I wanted from this.

Do You Like Brahms: I'm enchanted! I hoped I would be, but I like it more than I expected to! It has everything I love - music, ambition, coming of age, a university setting, talented actors, a special palette, nice characters who are just lovely and polite to each other, angsty angsty angsty angst. The first episode has me hooked immediately - the whole orchestra scene was so well done, the silence used beautifully to make me feel the tension. And I just fell deeper in love from there.

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I'm the opposite in that I love scifi so I'm nervous to pick up Alice because Korea does not have a good record on scifi. That whole thing where the writers throw their mythology out the window at the end to force a happy ending? You can arguably get away with that in fantasy (although it's my number one pet peeve) but in scifi it's infuriating. So I think I'll wait till Alice has progressed a bit before decided to pick it up.

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"because Korea does not have a good record" Yep, and this is why I'm not jumping into this show until the reviews keep coming in.

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That's probably safe - I think things were set up in a pretty interesting way, but whether they can pull it off until the end is unclear. It feels like such an ambitious opening that I can see the timeline etc etc getting muddled along the way.

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Memories at 18: The structure of the plot and character types remind me soooooo much of SUFBB minus the music angle. I could make a diagram comparing the two. The cinematography though is more like JBL and When the Weather Is Nice. I'm really loving it. The ML is absolutely adorable and the FL is so relatable. I really feel like these characters are 18, straddling that line of childness and maturity while trying to discover who they are and their place in the world.
Switch: What a fun show! It gives me strong Police Squad 38 vibes but goofier. The goofiness fits in well though. And, man I forgot how much I love JGS. He does so well playing 2 characters. The show has also done well in presenting it's 2 stances on going the legal or illegal route. I didn't expect it to be so even of a view since these kinds of shows tend to always make us want to route for the underdog no matter what they do.

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I really enjoyed both shows.

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Do You Like Brahms?- I LOVE IT SO MUCH. I've been looking forward for Tuesday to come (so I can watch the Monday's subbed ep).

Was It Love- Disappointing til the very end. Looking forward to the casts' next drama.

Because It's The First Time- I'm catching up on Kim Min Jae and this drama is an easy watch.

Forest of Secrets 2- I MISS OUR OTP. Seeing ShiMok and YeoJin in one frame gives me joy! Also, MOKJAE FTW!

Cursed In Love (Jdrama)- Didn't expect to like this but I'm enjoying it. Shoutout to the Beanie who posted about this.

Running Man Ep518- The guests are the four leads in Do You Like Brahms and they're so funny. ❤️

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More people should watch Because it's the First Time. Have you seen one of your favorite actors yet?

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Yes! I've screenshot a lot of times just forgot to post it on the wall! ❤️❤️❤️

Thank you for recommending it.

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Grateful Friends
One episode left and they pack all the (hopefully) the loosing ends. This drama could be great, a story of 40s friends from university, went through all the obstacles together. They thought if they went through the life fully charged, their life would be stable, better, on the top of the world, once they reached 40s. But, it was just the opposite.

I just couldn't forgive them to use cliches: the kid got accident, the man who hit the boy suddenly got car accident and also dead, the trouble maker got cancer and died. Err...

Flower of Evil
Stayed for Kim Ji Hoon, oooohh... this man is crazy. He could gave that look that made my hair raised. He looked better when he was crazy than sane 😅

Missing:The Other Side
I laugh a lot. I know what's it like when someone just looking at you with side-eyes and questioning your sanity. But, it isn't the 'normal' people that give the look, it's the look on Pan Seok's eyes that make me laugh...

Oh, you crazy young man. Do you know what will happen if people on the other side know you can see them? You still have a lot to learn, Kim Wook.

Reminded me of Ricky Gervais' Ghost Town, and the famous bus.

A Murderous Affair in Horizon Tower
Oh, the affair but with a twist
I really like how the older detective works. He really try hard to study all the possibilities from different perspective.

Stranger 2
I like it but at the same time couldn't bring myself to relate to it.

Alice
I want to see, somehow something tells me not to. It the same with Train. I couldn't get to like it, although Yoon Shin Yoon is one of my fave.

Maybe I just watch it.
Side note: I miss Junho so much. I like Chief Kim, Wok of Love and Confession. When he will finish his mandatory? Please come back with awesome dramas, I beg you! Kekeke...

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I’m also missing Junho. You didn’t mention Just Between Lovers, is you haven’t watched... what are you doing? It’s his best drama!

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It may stay as a header on my fanwall forever.

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It’s the drama I never get tired of watching!

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I also miss Junho. I still have two of his dramas that I watched--I need to look for them.

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"haven't watched"

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Alice In Kdramaland: 8.6
1: Kim Hee-sun is timeless/ageless, so a relatively believable time-traveler.
2: She was a better lecturer in day 1 of Faith.
3: How much harder would it be to implement travel restrictions to contain a virus if people are time-jumping all over?
4: Are any of the time-customers NOT killers??

Missing: The Other Side: 8.5 Slow start, promising in a Master's Sun-ish way, then nailed the end of week 1. The last couple minutes raised the week's score by a point.

Do You Like Brahms?: 3.2 Actually, no. The only way I even made it past the 12-minute mark was by checking Asianwiki, where it seemed the jerk conductor was only for day 1. People pointlessly acting like him are a sign of a badly written show and are a sure way to make me tune out. The hope of no more of that got me past thru half-hour mark.

Flower of Evil: 7.5 Predictable, as others have said. Glad they didn't stick us with much of a cliffhanger. It could be an awfully tall cliff till the next episode.

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Right. That whole scene with the conductor was so unrealistic, I almost gave up as well. She’s been in music school for three years and doesn’t know that the conductor is god? You do what he says, period.
And also, it’s up to him to tone down the violins if they’re too loud. The piece is written for a defined number of instruments in every section for a reason. Anyway, it was annoying. I’ll keep going because Beanies seem to love it but I’m side-eyeing it.

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I almost stopped the drama with the run-in with the conductor. There is no way any last chair violinist would ever do that...ever. This is like a sous chef mouthing off to the head chef; it's not going to happen.

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...and violins are actually silent, if anything one needs MORE of them 😆 😆😆

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Unfortunately, that's how conductors roll... it is easier to point out the nice ones. It may seem overwritten but it's pretty true-to-life.

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I can understand that, I don’t get a player discussing his decisions. In an orchestra, the conductor is god, as bbstl said.

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Totally agree; the conductor was realistic, her standmate who immediately got up and left - yep, that's what you would do - and then she argues??? You are right about that being the unrealistic bit. I put it down to temporary insanity.

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Yes, they are like gods. I've never ever heard or seen someone question a conductor like the FL did here, with the awful awkward silence that followed.

Technically, he could have also asked the whole violin section to play more softly, but being a tyrant he picked on the last two. I was glad that the ML refused to collaborate with him again.

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Was It Love (Episode 16)
Our torture is over! Every semblance of a terrible ending was in play: 1) Male lead becomes a noble idiot after claiming that he would wait for female lead’s family to accept him, 2) Rushed scenes of consolation love lines (poor Yeon Woo is not even given Hye Jin), 3) Disappearing acts of villains like the money grubber CEO Wang and the paparazzi reporter, 4) Abrupt forgiveness of villains like CEO Song and Yeon Woo’s mother (he’s too nice to emancipate himself from crazy mom), 5) Nonsensical closing scene: how did everyone not age? Why is Pa Do a bridesman if Dong Chan is the groom?

Missing: The Other Side (Episode 1-2)
So far, I like it! It’s just a slight variation of the usual crime procedural structure with the missing souls fantasy element added onto it but the show is ripe for character development particularly when it comes to unlikely partnerships. We’ve the missing soul whisperers Wook and Jang, the frenemies at work Shin and Baek as well as the car accident duo Shin and Wook (Baek and Jang know each other too though those two are amicable). I do hope the female leads will step to the forefront next week since there’s not much on them yet. It’s only 12 episodes so I’m expecting the pace to be quick!

Do You Like Brahms (Episode 1-2)
50-50 is my verdict after the first two episodes. I really like the exploration of different crises: Joon Young has a career burnout, Song Ah has stability woes and both of them struggle with maintaining the delicate balance of friendship. The two of them also interact with a shyness that is so awkwardly cute and I’m certainly on board them transitioning into a deeper bond whether it be friends or lovers. On the other hand, characters like Jung Kyung and Hae Na are pinging my ‘asshole character’ radar and I foresee them causing issues for Song Ah in both her professional as well as private life.

Alice (Episode 1-2)
I had a small chuckle when the drama started off with ‘The Book of Prophecy’ because that absolutely reminded me of ‘The Magic Flute’ from another show that also uses time travel. The similarities don’t end there: different factions fight over the sacred object, male lead has a traumatic experience losing a parent, avalanche of side characters. I can’t say I’m optimistic the writing won’t falter given the difficulty in constructing an understandable time travel plot without the use of story magic, but for now I’m drawn towards the tragedy that is Min Hyuk unknowingly chasing after his own son.

Also watching: Flower of Evil (Episode 11)
Completed: Graceful Friends / Men Are Men

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KIM JI HOON WITH LONG HAIR!!! 😍
[Runs to turn on Viki🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️]

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Brahms - im sticking with this for now because unrequited love+awkward leads+sloooww romance is my thing (plus music)

House on Wheels - i just finished watching the whole season!!! And now I'm craving for raw seafood :((((

I also rewatched some dramas!

Reply 1997 - watched this for the nth time after watching Eun Ji's episode in House on Wheels. I almost forgot how I really loved this show. This was my gateway drug to Shin Won Ho PD. Still the best, and never gets old.

My Ajusshi - I don't know why I keep on torturing myself and watching this on repeat. I kinda like the feeling of rooting for the characters from their initial state and until they were able to be freed from their misery.

Dream High - watched this for Kim Soo Hyun (because I forgot that he sings!!) and IU (kim pilsook best girl). That Genie performance will always be my favorite cover of that song. I missed highschool dramas like this. Still not a fan of Suzy, but I liked her here the most.

Chicago Typewriter - Why do I keep watching this? Answer: Seo Hwi Young and his wig of glory.

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I just remember My Ahjussi being terribly sad and depressing to watch, yet I still loved it a lot. I admire you for being able to watch it again because I could never ><

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Flower of Evil Everybody already knew it was the son but it still felt like a huge coincidence. I can't believe HS never tried to find out why they would allow him to use the son's identity or that his sister would be so naive and go talk to them but this drama made a good job of making the couple so charismatic that all these questions don't seem to matter much.

Alice I want to like this more. I like time travel. The cast is good. Why does it have to be so campy? Does he really needs to jump on top of a moving car? Did she have to dress like an old lady just because she chose to stay in the past to raise the baby? Would guy from the future never try to find them?

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Work started again, with all the virus-caused problems that implies. So I had a stressful week where I had to yell at people to wear a damn mask or wear it correctly, and disinfect and keep social distancing from myself at least, as I still have some dramas to live for, lol.

Didn't have much time to watch dramas, and barely advanced on Strong Woman Do Bong Soon, which I was kind of expecting to lose some drive after half the mystery was solved. Now they're only chasing the serial abducter, and spending way too much on cutesy romance which I'm not really a fan of. If DBS loses her power so that the ML can save her for realz, I'm going to be really mad.

I might start Still 2gether though I wasn't overly impressed with the main drama. But I'll see it as an epilogue and hope it's not worse.

And by then presumably FoE will have resumed filming/airing and/or Love and Redemption is finished and mostly translated.

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I hate to tell you this, but Strong Woman is all about the cutesy romance for those of us who enjoyed it. You might have some huge disappointment headed your way.

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Flower of Evil, ep11: subscribe what other Beanies already said. Still on board, this OTP is really something.

Into the ring, binged up to ep 12: this foray of a strong-willed but not particularly well-prepared young woman into local politics feels exhilarating. Goo Sera is such a great character! She's super aspirational in her drastic responses to people pulling crap on others just because they have power or such and such privilege. And she's relatable, because she gets shot down, and she's not always right, and has insecurities. A true pineapple among jaded politicians and public servants, and is really entertaining to watch. And what to say about Gongmyung? This OTP is going to be my death by sugar

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Into the Ring is a little hidden gem :)

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I also loved her sass... and how inspirational she was for the others.

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