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Do You Like Brahms: Episode 13-14 Open Thread

The world of love and classical music continues to be quite tumultuous for our couple. This week, our hero is pushed into another crisis, and our heroine makes some important decisions. It was easy for our couple to fall in love, but will they be able to stick it out through all the hardships thrown their way?

 
EPISODES 13-14 WEECAP

I’m not going to sugarcoat it: this was a rough week in Do You Like Brahms. If you were like me and thought we reached our lowest lows last week, you’d be wrong. I got spoiled by how well our couple was communicating — I didn’t think that there was room for yet more misunderstandings and mishandled situations to come between them. But I was sadly wrong. This week, Song-ah reached her breaking point, and a collective weep fell across the dramaverse.

Last week’s episodes ended with Song-ah witnessing Joon-young and Jung-kyung in the taxi together. To her credit, Song-ah brings this up right away to Joon-young, and is met with vague explanations and sincere apologies. It’s become their pattern — and even more so, and their holding pattern. Their relationship can’t advance because a) Joon-young can’t seem to untangle himself from Jung-kyung and b) Song-ah can’t help but notice.

Dong-yoon pointed out towards the beginning of the show how carefully Song-ah thinks a thing out before she makes a decision. It was quite an accurate observation, and this week we see it in action with some painful, but quite believable, results.

The first decision Song-ah makes is to cut ties with Professor Lee and her chamber, which was 100% satisfying. Sure, it might have been more entertaining if Song-ah grabbed that feather duster and snapped it in two over her knee, but the resignation scene we got was much more in line with Song-ah’s personality. Professor Lee’s remarks this week were truly slap-worthy, so I’m glad that losing her minion was the consequence of that.

But if we thought Professor Lee was bad, this week the contention only grows between Joon-young and Professor Yoo. And for good reason. Seeing the dynamic of their teacher/pupil relationship over the course of the drama was rough, and I couldn’t help but wonder how much lighter and happier Joon-young could be if he had had a different teacher, since so much joy was taken out of his music because of Professor Yoo.

This week, though, that contention reaches a whole new level, when Professor Yoo allows a recording of Joon-young playing the meaningful Schumann piece to be posted on YouTube… with Professor Yoo credited as the pianist. It’s unthinkable!

It’s all downhill from here, because Jung-kyung is the one that find out, tells Joon-young, threatens Professor Yoo, and lords the whole entire thing over Song-ah. It’s a disaster sandwich. Joon-young has Song-ah’s best intentions at heart (keeping her from finding out so she doesn’t misunderstand) — but, thanks to Jung-kyung, that’s exactly what happens.

I regret semi-forgiving Jung-kyung last week. She’s impossible here, not only refusing to accept Joon-young’s relationship with Song-ah, but doing everything she can to undermine it. Using misunderstandings and lies to break up someone’s loving relationship is not cool. While I kind of wanted Jung-kyung to end up with Hyun-ho again, because he’s such a good seed, now I’m firmly against it: he’s way too good for her.

Jung-kyung’s lies and meddling pay off, though. If Song-ah ended on an emotional low last week, she’s continued to sink all through Episode 13 and 14. So, as painful as it is, by the time we reach the end of Episode 14, it makes sense that Song-ah breaks up with Joon-young. Much like playing the violin, what once brought her joy is now only causing her grief. She doesn’t know if she can shoulder much more, so she taps out.

The silver lining in Song-ah’s unhappiness is that it leads her to reunite with her bestie Min-sung. And even more satisfying, it’s Dong-yoon that sees how much Song-ah needs her friend, and then makes their reunion happen.

This week’s episodes might have been depressing and upsetting — but they also rang really true. The dynamic that hit me the most was when Song-ah told Joon-young that she wants to be able to lean on him, but can’t, since he’s struggling even more than she is. Ouch. These two have the best of intentions towards each other, but it always seems to backfire. How will this get resolved? I’m not willing to give up on this OTP. In fact, I refuse to.

That being said, it’s late in the story for such a rough break-up, and with only one week left in our drama, I’m a little worried about where our leads will find themselves when the story comes to a close.

The emotions and character development in this drama have all been very believable and well-paced, so I’m anticipating some sort of time jump in our final chapter — it’s the only way I can think of to give Joon-young and Song-ah the perspective (and fresh slate) that they need. They’re so, so far from the happiness they deserve right now, and there isn’t a quick fix for any of their challenges. Still, I’m remaining hopeful for our final week. It’s always darkest before dawn, right? Right?!

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This drama is depressing af. These people are depressing af. Brahms is a true melo.

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And yet we keep on waiting and watching each painful moment, hoping the next scene will be our sweet and happy OTP moment that recharge our current somber mood. Lol

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I think I'm depressed from it too. I had no idea this drama was melo until a while ago...I blame the Kim Min Jae and Park Eun Bin combo for luring me in without noticing this slight problematic point. I ALWAYS TRY TO AVOID MELO ㅜ ㅜ

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I try to avoid them too. This is my second this year so I have no one to blame but myself and my weakness for several actors, including Park Eun Bin. During my last melo, I became immune to the deaths and emotional manipulation. During this one, I'm to the point I don't care about anything but the satisfaction of seeing the leads happy in the end. Short of that @sincerelytod taking out Jung Kyung would add some levity to my viewing experience.

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I kind of wish there were some deaths in this...and by deaths...everyone in the show can just go. I only want Joon Young, Song Ah and Director Cha alive and happy.

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I would hope @sincerelytod also would have the grace to go for a triple play on the three so called professors. Or as someone who watched Saturday morning cartoons, the Piano of Doom would be ok too.

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Yesssss! That stupid piano with the broken key can land on all three as they walk out of the building!

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Is it because it’s a melo that the leads don’t speak banmal to each other despite dating already? Also, is aegyo not allowed? Maybe because it’s classical music? LOL. I have this issue with A Piece of Your Mind too.

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Who knows...I remember Come and Hug Me looked really good, but because it was melo, I didn't watch it but the clips seem to show them not speaking in banmal to each other either....but then again I'm not sure. What is the formula for melo apart from the obviously "inflict pain and despair on your audience"?

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I don't miss the aegyo. So cringy!

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Why are they all smiling in that banner photo at the top of the page? You lie, banner photo, you lie foully! There isn't a single happy person in this whole show. Apparently pursuing music inevitably turns you into a miserable, twisted a**hole.

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I was just thinking that....they fooled us and lured us in by giving us a false sense of security with their smiling faces but I don't even remember the last time they smiled.

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Well, I have put the wine pairings up on @shichybot 's post...

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For some reason THE THIRD CHARM came to mind. Seo Kang-joon gave a fine performance. Esom was outstanding.
It was a hard watch however.

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I was an emotional wreck after watching that, never did I think after watching the first 2 episodes that it would turn out to be such a sad one...

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Yeah you are absolutely right @missvictrix!!

It was a rough week but a believable one! I've been saying that the break up scene was one of the most heartwrenching and honest one I've ever seen in Kdrama world! SA just pouring out her heart out 🤧
And JY, being true to his character, can't just express (yet) how he truly feels about SA and I know that the final week would give us that.

And yes, I won't give up on our OTP!!! I have faith in these two that they truly deserve each other but this break up is a needed one, for them to resolve their own issues and to realize their dreams. 🤗

Bring it on for the finale!! 🥳

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I actually loved the breakup scene because it was so honest and careful and thorough ... in kdramas as in life, breakups are usually messy and emotional and incomplete, so on some level it was satisfying to see a breakup that was so adult.

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Yes, an adult one indeed. SA clearly KNOWS what she wants and feels. She pointed out things on why and how its not working amazed me too. No one shouted nor wreakhavoc for this break up. The guy listened, he wasn’t mad even. But in his eyes, we know he is hurt as well. And that beanies I think was beautiful, and truthfully painful.

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wonderful comment. he was simply "shook" and in shock that this could even happen to him. he just couldn't understand how his "sorry's" were patronizing and not satisfying enough.

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True! I think he was used to “pleasing” people as he is in THAT field where perfectionism is required. He’s been doing his own way thinking he’s actually preventing something bad to happen. He thought he’s been doing the right thing all the time (for his family, Kyunghoo and stuff). Poor boy! He didnt know what to do 🥺

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@hazelnuts all these innocent, ignorant first love mistakes and problems make me think, how the heck does anyone eventually figure it out? trial and error i suppose. 🤭 just so sad joonsong may be lost to trial and error ... sigh ...

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I think him constantly saying sorry might tie into her name that sounds like “Sorry” in Korean. I could be reaching but I couldn’t help but notice. In the beginning, he knew her name without mistaking it for an apology, now he is constantly saying “sorry,” which is not what she wants to hear from him...

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Oof. I watched this a couple of days ago and it still hurts. Our Joonsong ship took a brutal hit and sank. Will it rise again? 😭 I kept screaming ‘no’ at the TV: when JY left the cafe, when JK went out of his apartment building, when JY said he doesn’t want SA to be concerned, etc. It was one bad thing after another and by the end, I was spent (and slightly drunk. LOL). I have to hand it to the writer though, it was a beautiful speech and a beautiful scene. The umbrella that gave us such joy was used to rub in the pain, and the rain added to it. If I wasn’t so emotionally invested, I would have applauded.

*Sigh* Show did Schumann dirty. I’m sure the brahmsie beanies will never hear Traumerei the same way again.

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Oh show. “It was so hard to love you this week. I’m not happy” 😭😭☔️☔️

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Ahhaha I hadn't thought of that but lol yes poor Träumerei.

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Who needs a break up song when you have Traumerei.

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Since you mentionned the umbrella scene - are we 100% certain that Joonyoung returned Songah's gift? Because in next week's preview, she is seen opening an umbrella and noticing the Foundation logo printed on it. So could this be that she realizes that Joonyoung did not return her gift but instead offered her one? Or is it the opposite, the point being the Foundation unable to shelter her from the symbolic rain?

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I think it's a different umbrella in the preview. It had a long handle and not the collapsible one that SA's gift umbrella had - and it was this one JY gave to her right after the break up.

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I have to say it's been a while since I've been as emotionally invested in a show. My heart feels like it's stuck in my throat all the time and my heart flutters all over the place when our leads are together. I do feel that Joon Young subconsciously held on to Jun Kyung and he needs to sort himself out. Then again, him telling Song Ah multiple times that he liked her and he clearly does, wasn't enough to convince her. I'm very sad after this episode, but I can see them making progress by getting everything out in the open. Hopefully some in your face healing from now on, as the writer promised, to put some smiles on our faces.

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The whole show, I was screaming to tell Song-Ah, that JY really likes her, but it failed, LoL. They still broke up at the end... :(

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He did like her, I don't think Song Ah really doubted that, but there is more to a relationship than just liking someone. He was clearly struggling in way that he would or could not share with her, he was not there for her, neither one of them could leap over their own issues to reach out to the other and help them open up, share, and heal.

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OUR BOAT SANK? I REFUSE!!
It was a big hit but...NOOOOO!!
I guess on a positive note, we were all warned to put our life jackets on before this happened...although I have a weird feeling there's a hole in mine.........

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It's not the end yet! Will the captain aka writer-nim resurrect it by some marvelous feat like a hidden "meet-again" flotation device, which we glimpsed at the preview? I think so. 😊 just hang on @letseatcookies

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Got to ask our Captain @kimbapnoona to give us something to hold on to. Maybe we just have to rewrite the story ourselves...

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Our ship has foundered but can be raised and sail again. I think that the elements for this are there:

Part of the problem with Joon-young is that the years he spent performing were years he had no time to grow and instead he essentially ossified. Only the biggest shock could possibly change that. Losing Song-A is a shock at that level.

His mom coming to stay with him was a good indication that she has reached the end of her rope with her wastrel husband and his schemes.

If Joon-young can finally open up and let Song-A know what is happening she in turn can introduce her Unni to his mom, who is probably ready to do something about her situation legally. This would accomplish two things: Protect Joon-young from his rapacious father and, more importantly, rebuild trust between him and Song-A. It would show them that, if they can truly lean on each other and actually look to each other for help they would be unbeatable- they would not only be happy but also flourish as a couple.

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@oldawyer if Song Ah's sister is going to help, I hope she can also find a way to sue the Professor for stealing Joon Young's music.

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@oldawyer, i love your practical, realistic, attorney-like fanfics hahaha. i say this endearingly.

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I’m building a raft! Stay afloat!!

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WOOOOOO!!! I'll try to tread water for as long as I can....

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Interesting is... everybody was sort of expecting a noble idiocy, but this is what happened, which was not exactly worse, but painfully real and for instance deeply sad and difficult to repair.
Song ah didn't say the usual, let's break up because I don't like you anymore, when it was a lie... She said let's break up because I am not happy and it is totally true...
Poor Song ah, if you come to think about it, she had been keeping it up for days and days and whenever she decided to share with him even her own pain, he left her alone.
It is very sad indeed, because it is true.

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Yes. I think the break up was so realistic that it's something you expect to see from real couples. Sometimes relationships just don't work out despite how much you like someone and instead of having two unhappy people struggling to find happiness together, it's better to figure things out alone. In the end, will they end up together? Who knows, but I hope at least they will be happy.

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Exactly...
That is what matters, when you get to love your characters so much... they are very cute together, but possibly not in an emotional state that they can grow together... as I said, JY hasn't learned what it means to be in a relationship with a girl. And Song ah is learning to speak up her mind, although in her defense, she has been clear with him since day one.
I found interesting she decided to break up with him partly after watching her old videos when she was admitted in music school and her friend asked her if she was happy. She remembered what it was to feel happy and I know she knows she can be happy without him.
At the end of the day, they were just dating... not even engaged or together for a long time...

Now again, if the drama goes with a jump in time, but both happier and satisfied, I will be happy as well...
And if they decide to start over after clearing up their minds and heart... I think it will be good as well... they definitely need time and that is perfectly realistic.

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Yes, let's hope for a happy ending for them both, separately or together.

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I don't have much to say other than I'm sad 🥺

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me too....*hugs*

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Other than the very beginning of their relationship when their budding feelings for each other were so sweet to witness, their relationship has been nothing but painful to watch. Whenever they are together, they look joyless and strained; they don’t talk or laugh or kiss or do anything except look like they can’t speak their minds. Their shyness and formality with each other was charming at first, but now just seems unbelievable. It is such an unhealthy relationship, and I am glad Song Ah finally called it quits. At this point, I think a time jump is the only thing that can save this OTP. They need to find happiness within themselves first before they can be in a healthy, loving, giving relationship.

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That's exactly what I have been thinking. I loved the unexpected connection at the beginning, but the relationship has not been healthy--time to make a clean break.

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a time jump it is then. i will take anything to get these two the love they deserve with each other minus all the negative nellies they have all been having to deal with,

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I agree with you. It became strained. I stopped watching at ep 13 because i do not think i can handle watching ep 14. I knew a break up will happen from 16yrs experience watching Kdramas. The only way they will be back together is a time jump. I only waiting for the final episode.

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i would usually do the same but oh i need to look at both of them as long as i can. the pretties! and the music

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Oof. My heart is so heavy. I basically cried from the minute Songah reunited with Minsung to the very end of the episode 😭

If I were in Songah’s position, I would’ve broken up with Joonyoung too, because that kind of despair is not something that anyone should have to carry with them. I know Joonyoung is in a tough spot, carrying his own burdens and shouldering a lot of his own emotional turmoil. In a lot of ways, this breakup was necessary, because they both need to focus on the aspects of their lives that have completely overshadowed everything else. I only hope that we have enough time for them to find their way back to each other and get the happy ending they both deserve so much.

Jungkyung was really too much this week. She was bitter and spiteful and I don’t have an ounce of sympathy left for her, because she continues to go out of her way to hurt people. She ditched Hyunho like he was a useless piece of clothing and then calls him out to talk about Joonyoung’s problem. She calls Joonyoung pitiful and degrades his act of recording Traumerei for her over the years for the sole purpose of hitting him where it hurts. She continues to pile on Songah, really just out of spite and jealousy. She treats people like they’re nothing, and then cries about how she has no one. The writers want me to sympathise with her? Yeah, I don’t think so.

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#LeeJungKyungIsCancelledt 😡

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Honestly!!!! I can’t think of a single redeeming thing 😑

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Oh she’s gorgeous... but then so was the devil. LOL. 😆 No offense to the actress though; I’m sure she’s a lovely person based on her Insta. It’s just that her character is just grrr...

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Yes, on a professional level Park Ji-hyun is nailing the role of Lee Jung-kyun.

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*closet JK stan secretly running to follow park ji-hyun's insta .....

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The writers were doing so well at making her character development good...why did they have to do this just to create drama? OH WAIT...this is a drama!! I've been living my life all wrong until now. *weeps on invisible piano*

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yes, i absolutely agree. to me, it's the ONLY weakness in the show. the love triangle would've been more tense if JK was actually a decent person as she was heading towards! but now, JY ... when he finally grows a pair ... can literally scream to SA, "look, here are reasons [scenes] a, b and c on why i don't like JK."

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It's like they tried and then didn't know how to fix it...so they just retrieved back into the original situation

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Or they thought that the JK teaching SA storyline that we all clamored for is not "makjang" enuf for them, too cheesy. :)

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Thanks for the weecap @missvictrix. You are spot on, the character development and the reactions are believable and they just rang true. (And I noted you said it 3x at least.) And this is why, more than the OTP and more than KMJ dimples, I still like this drama. If that is melo, then reality is indeed melo. That said, I hope we get to see lessons learned and applied in the last 2 episodes.

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On HH, I do wish for him to take that NY position but reconcile with JY. Ditch JK forever.

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Well he has erased her from his phone contacts, so that's a good start, isn't it? ;-)

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That felt so true to life. I hope that he is able to keep his conviction to end it with her.

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IT IS! Deleting is a-must! 😅

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Actually, he should just block the number.

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I’m thinking JY should also block this same number...

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No, I want him to get the professorship instead of Jun Kyung. She can go somewhere else on her own and think about all the people she's wronged. Maybe after some proper self inspection and redemption, we can think of forgiving her. 😁

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So many dramas I'd give the primary couple perhaps 2 years before their relationship implodes, judging by their personality types and their history of making bad choices. This is the primary utility of the hated 'time jump' in K-dramas. Get the characters out of their fraught situation, give them some time to center themselves, then they can reunite as peers (as opposed to 'savior/damsel in distress') with a clear head. I'll make a bold prediction. A three year time jump for our main character in 15-16. All concerned will have found a new path to trod, will have grown, and will have found fulfillment in their careers. the BANG! They meet again.

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Looking back, I enjoyed this drama so much when Joon-young and Song-ah were smitten with each other and feelings started to develop. But when they started dating, the relationship seems forced, Song-ah were more tensed than ever. This week's episode turned her into a demanding gf, and all Joon-young did was saying sorry to pacify her. It's understandable that she feels threatened by Jung-kyung, but she should have full faith in her bf. The world is full of other women, is she going to behave like this every time Joon-young has a female friend, or is he not allowed to have any, ever? She's totally insecure in this relationship and that itself is enough to ruin any relationship. She's talking about leaning on him, but is she someone he could lean on? When he was honest with her, she was unhappy. She may not show it in action or words, but it sure showed and he felt it. He didn't want to hurt her, so he chose to keep things to himself, and that made her even more unhappy. Maybe it's Song-ah who really needs to sort herself out first. Joon-young is all sorted, from where I can see, he wants Song-ah, and all his actions pointed towards it. Jung-kyung is all sorted, she wants Joon-young, and all her actions showed. As for Song-ah, she is more like floating in life, being carried here and there by the waves of problem, no confidence in her music, insecure about bf, she wants Joon-young, but doesn't know how to hold onto him. Their relationship obviously doesn't bring out the best in them.

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I am sorry but I have to disagree with you. Relationships are about communication. Hiding things and telling white lies or being vague does not help. Do you think if she had heard the full truth form JY she wouldn’t have believed him. Don’t forget that we know some things she does not know. Being left in the dark is painful. It is painful to know that your bf’s long time crush is aware of all his issues and you are not. I wouldn’t want a bf who constantly apologizes but does not tell me what is going on. She is sorted out, I believe it is more JY who isn’t.

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Yes, SA actually is sorted out, it took 3 episodes but we got to see her painful but slow process of doing so. For JY, he may have loved SA already, but 15 years of ties and history not just with JK but her family is not that easy to sort out, and the fact that he did not have real life experiences, he needed some growing up to do first.

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I read writer said SA mindset is in the present while JY mind still in the past. So it is easy for her to make decisions and act on it. witch also make her a nice character to me. :) While we do see JY growth happening while falling in love with SA as he think more about his emotion and desire more. it is still a bumpy ride and therefor he make mistakes. Growth is like we all knows a hard process. Also he had to act as an adult even in his puberty. So in a way his growing up did stall already then. Sweet writer was worried for how we would accepts his "imperfect" image we have seen in the second half. I still love him though who can hate him when he is so troubled. I hope to see some growing up for him in the next episodes and they both becomes happy.

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This drama is depressing af and how long we need to spend on fillers really? I thought it was too early for JY to date SA as he is fresh out of decade long one side love and JK finally reciprocate his feelings altho it was too late but man they sure drag JY-JK arc to death and now.. here we are... with too many miserable people but not enough music~

I know the will be a break up scene between JY and SA but I wish it happen earlier so they wont rush their reconciliation next week.

The only good thing happen is DY who straight away know SA is not feeling ok, step out and call MS for her. He can just take advantage of that situation since their situation mirrored JY and JK but I'm glad DY is a good friend and a good man.

tl:dr I'm tired of this drama, DY is boss

p/s: where tf is hyun ho? how dare they cast kim sungcheol and waste him like this

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Kim Sung Cheol was busy eating tiramisu cake at the convenience store.

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Hahaha! I see what you did there 😂😂😂 Did he also G.R.A.B. a guitar while at it?

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Of course. His singing really picked me up. hehehe

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Oh man because of you I had to search for his clip singing that song LOL

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You are welcome. Those are all great songs to brightening up the mood. Hahaha

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I feel like the writer went off course this week. Some examples:

-the sister who has not supported Song-ah for 13 episodes suddenly confesses her admiration and wants to drink beer and support her. This would be really nice if we built up to it, but it came out of left field, while sympathetic dad was nowhere to be seen.

- Hyeon-ho and Song-ah having tteokbokki together? What exactly was the point of that scene? Did it advance any plot points or relationships? Or was it just a way to get HH on screen without Jung-kyung?

- Professor Yoo stealing JY's music. OK, maybe this is what JY needed to leave his bad teacher and maybe Professor Yoo will get fired and Hyeon-ho will get hired, but it only makes sense to a non-musician audience. Wouldn't a longtime professional like Prof. Yoo realize that he would get caught and humiliated, when a musician like Jung-kyung could recognize the pianist with her eyes closed? Is it really possible for a world class pianist to be playing a recording piano and have no clue that this is not just a regular baby grand?

I respect that Song-ah quietly but firmly expressed herself to Jung-kyung, to Prof. Lee, and to JY. But I don't see that the writer has left her any path forward. She can't even hope to work at the foundation, when Jung-kyung could be continually crossing her path there.

I also appreciate that Joon-young was firm in rejecting Jung-kyung. But I think he would have changed the trajectory of ep. 14 if instead of weakly apologizing, he had just hugged Song-ah with the same compassion as the first time, when they were just starting to be friends. How is it that he was able to be warm and impulsive then, but now, when he's about to lose her, he's just paralyzed?

Writer, I'm disappointed in your choices.

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Agree re: the Prof Yoo situation. I get that it was for the ~Drama~ but it’s so unrealistic and illogical 😂 He knows he has no real career in performance and recording, this professor job is the best thing he has going for him. Why on earth would he jeopardise that? And also, as Joonyoung’s professor and the piano teacher preparing Joonyoung for the Tchaikovsky comp, why would he not tell Joonyoung that the piano is a recording piano for practising purposes? And you’re right, how could Joonyoung, at his level, not figure that out?

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The professor has been set up as having an inferiority complex and a fear of loosing his edge. His musical advice always was, 'Don't do your best, do what will get a win.' So he sent a private piano clip to the record company just to demonstrate he still had the stuff. He seemed as shocked as anybody that it made it into the public domain . It all makes total sense to me, had been set up and foreshadowed beforehand.

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Same sentiment here. 😆 When JY got that call and text from JK about Prof. Yoo I literally thought "WTH. This came out of left field. As if we didn't have enough loose ends to tie and this is already ep 14."

Guys, this is just a ploy for that damn Traumerei to show up again. 😫

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Hyeon Ho served to mirror Song Ah's current troubles - music and love - but as someone who has already somewhat processed the changes and come out the other side. He spoke of his dreams of making a living as a cellist and building a family with the woman he loved, and how none of that worked out. Life is unpredictable. Dreams get dashed. And Song Ah knows exactly how Hyeon Ho must have felt. Seeing someone like Hyeon Ho go through the same things must have given her a little bit more courage to let go. Because letting go and giving up take courage too, and Song Ah needed the extra nudge to close the chapter, no matter how heart-wrenching it will be.

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This is a good explanation of what seemed like a superfluous encounter.

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this tweet visually captures the purpose of the HH/SA convo: https://twitter.com/azuresky2020/status/1315957274783870979?s=20

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Couldn't agree with you more. I feel the writing has been stagnating these past few weeks with very little character growth from any of the characters. With only 2 episodes left, I have serious doubt the writer can wrap up everything in believable manner.

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Yes, agree. Particularly your point about JY's reaction to SY - continuing to apologise even after she'd said that she was frustrated with empty sorries. What happened? He's always known how to support her before - why did he simply become a stone despite her expressing what she wanted and didn't want at that point? This reaction might have rung true for me if he actually still did have feelings for JK - but we've had multiple evidence that he does not. So, writer...?

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Well these two episodes were heart wrenching. I cried throughout. Maybe it's the effect of the music editing. But yet, I love it.

The parallel between SA's love for the violin and her love for JY played out so beautifully. I was glad she quit both of them. With or without JK's help, SA and JY's relationship was bound to fall apart. There was no communication in this relationship and too much hurt for SA. It was no one's fault. It just wasn't the time. By the end of episode 15, even before SA bumping into JK, I wanted them to break up. I was satisfied when they did (even though I cried my heart out).

I also cried when Min-soo came back. The reconciliation felt real. Friends fight. Friends stop talking, but they come back when you're at your worst. I also liked the minor support from family. Yes, sisters can be cruel, but in the end they do love you and are there for you when they need you. It was so beautiful and sweet. Even more than the romantic arc. (Not to mention, smooth product placement.)

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I also wanted to say I’m kind of disappointed with how Hyunho’s character arc has played out. They basically character assassinated him with that whole bit where he cut Joonyoung off... feels like such a waste of Kim Seungcheol’s talent. And now that he’s got that offer from the orchestra in NY, I dread the writers will give him the Seoryeong professsor position only for him to give it up to Jungkyung in a final act of sacrifice before leaving for the US. I wish they had done more for his brotherhood with Joonyoung.

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Same. His broken friendship with JY has gone no where. He wrote JY a text but didn't send it. I want to like him but when I remember how he cruel he was with JY I just don't. So him getting the NY offer wasn't a big deal for me since I don't particularly like him.

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To me, that's a major flaw in the writing. The writer used the characters to achieve plot goals instead of creating strong characters and letting the story flow from actions consistent with who they are. She needed Joon-young to be hurt and isolated so she made HH cruel. Same with MS. Same with JK and DY. Same with all the professors and Simon. The only characters she has allowed to stay kind are Song-ah, Joon-young, and Young-in. So we end up with a story where it's hard to like anyone but those three. And we never even meet one of the biggest villains, Joon-young's dad. It's as though he only exists to achieve the goal of making JY miserable. We never see JY mature by confronting him.

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You're right. I still love this drama but for some reason whenever I would see the poster with all six characters I'd be like hmm why is it that I don't really care for the other four, besides the OTP? It's because they have, as you mentioned, been mere chess pieces to develop the plot. I wish I could care more for MS (hello more BFF scenes please) and HH. I wish DY hadn't turned into Simon 2.0, in that he's now simply the guy who delivers news/happenings to our characters. JK has gotten the most focus out of these four characters and I honestly could have done with much less from her. We've spent so much time with her but we've gotten no where. She hasn't improved herself. She's still the conceited ice queen. And so be it! I don't like her so I honestly could care less if she doesn't become a better person. She grew up in a terrible environment which explains her entitlement. But why waste our time on her if she's going to be in the same place she was from the beginning!? Ugh! Apparently, I woke up feeling negative today about Brahms. I need to think positive thoughts now.

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I really wish the writers had not made it that Hyun Ho and Joon Young's friendship had to go sour, especially when they had been friends for so long. It just made it seem that their friendship wasn't as deep as they tried to make it out to be. Hyun Ho attempting to contact Joon Young could have happened sooner. Honestly, this week's episodes could have happened sooner and the writers should have gotten rid of all that extra professor nonsense and went straight into it instead of giving us all those dragged out episodes with all the annoying side characters. Sigh...

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Its realistic though. If my best friend was still hovering around the heartless love of my life who dumped me for him cruelly, I would fucking beat the crap out of him or her first and then end it forever. You pick sides when people break up or get divorce, you do unless they split super amicably or share child or both. Joon Young can't have best of both worlds, he ain't Hannah Montana.

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hahaha I've never seen Hannah Montana...but it makes me want to.

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DOPE REFERENCE. LMAO. :) JY X MILEY CYRUS. DOPE.

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I just hope that, if and when this show uses the time jump it wont end up as bad as the Third Charm coz that OTP didnt end up together after so many time jumps and the ending sucks.

So i dont care how frustrating JY gets when he kept saying sorry to SA instead of explaining why he is sorry. Just please let this be a happy ending for these two. 🙏🏻

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I also hated The third charms ending. So much angst and no relief in the end. Still hate that show even though I loved a good part of it. Please don't put me through it again!!!!

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Love your perspective.. thank you. I refuse to give up on them too. At first I wanted them to work things out together, but Joon Young is still not opening up fully to Song Ah. WHY?! You were quite open with her before you guys started dating. I was hoping for Jung Kyung to become Song Ah's teacher but now I don't want that anymore. Song Ah needs to find her confidence and once it does, it'll show in her violin playing too.

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Ok, So I have to vent on this one. And yikes, just 2 more episodes for this all to resolve? That is not enough!
So our leading lady really needs to get over her jealousy. Long-time friends don't disassociate that easily and they shouldn't have to. Our leading lad has been only honest with her. His failing is that he isn't able to rely on anyone else just yet and so doesn't know how to confide in our leading lady. But then again, she isn't so good at it either.

Now on to the music theme. I am no musician so maybe I am missing something. But there is value from separating personal from work. The show makes it clear that they have different skill levels. No shame in that, but they need to deal with it honestly. Asking him to play for her seemed like a really bad idea. They can have fun, be friends, play music together for fun, but seems to me mixing work in there would just lead to all kinds of trouble. Maybe down the road, but not at this juncture in her budding career. She could just be overshadowed. And maybe I missed it, but I don't know if has ever heard her play. I want her to have her space to shine, it is not about any silly social 'level' stuff.

Do I sound just a little frustrated with these last episodes? Lol! As missvictrix says, they just dumped a large load of complexity on us poor viewers, and for such a good drama overall, I want more time for them to resolve it all properly!

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It breaks my heart to say this (and trust me, it really does), but I don't know if the writer intends for them to get back together in the end. I hope and pray this will not be the case. This break-up was inevitable and a good wake-up call for them both, so if the writer doesn't at least give Joon Young an opportunity to express IN HIS OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS how much Song Ah meant and means to him, I'd feel like it was all for naught. The writer did mention that the second half of the drama was about "growth", so I want to see the actual fruits of this "growth". Judging from the preview, Joon Young seems to have lost all desire to play the piano now that Song Ah has left him and his world has collapsed, so please Joon Young, go out there and get what you want! I hate to borrow the words of Prof Yoo, but if you don't at least try, nothing will happen.

I know we've all come to love this drama because of how utterly real it is, but it's been too heartbreakingly raw. I don't want them to move on from this love until both of them have really given it all they've got and have no regrets (I'm looking at you, JY).

Also, if anyone is interested, Kim Min Jae and Park Eun Bin held an insta live a few hours before Ep 14 aired where they told us to "enjoy episode 14" and basically made fun of our misery haha. At least the actors are happy >< Someone kindly subbed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrsB2pK09Kk&list=LL&index=2&ab_channel=forurfeels-

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I still haven’t watched last week’s episodes and that’s because with the stress I already have in my life, adding in Song Ah’s and Joon Young’s stress is more than I can handle.

Also I have a feeling that this drama will give us that dreaded open ending to our OTP. If it does tho, I’m going to cry. For real.

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If that happens, I'm going to have to erase all this from my memory and swear on my life to always check the drama genre description even if I like the cast and to never EVER watch a melo again.

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There was some photo from filming with them smiling and hugging floating around. So I am sure we gonna see them finding their way back to each other eventually. :)

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THIS BETTER HAPPEN OR ELSE!!
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Keep the knives and axes ready. Cuz with the soompi gang I’m off to hunt piano and violin instructors. And certain master class guys.

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I don't have any knives...will chopsticks do?

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i get that breaking up is hard and emotional and all that, but song-ah spoke so slowly during the breakup scene that by the time she was done with her sentence, i've forgotten what the first half was about..

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HAHAHA ur comment gave me quite a good laugh xD She was probably struggling to get her emotions right + making sure she got her script delivered lol

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Same! And rather than it feeling in character (which it usually does), the pace was a shade too long, so it actually barged its way into my consciousness and made me aware of the filming process rather than being absorbed in the story. Here, a usually good thing was taken too far!

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I felt excited next week for a final DYLB week. I felt happy that Song-ah still be remained by supporting the foundation by herself. If Song-ah will resume her struggling musical career by herself, then I predicted that she will happily reunited with Joo-young so that they will be the happiest marriage. Also, I knew that Song-ah will still beloved to her parents and her family (including her sister) along with her friends with tearful promise and emotional support when she still dealing with her emotions and she'll be finally ended up with her first most successful composition before she continued her successful musical career streak after streak like Joo-young did.

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Initially I was not planning to follow this drama - I have never been a fan of love triangles and long-time unrequited feelings disguised as friendship. Thus I was happily surprised and satisfied that the status quo sort of exploded, so that all 6 people involved can healthily move on with their lives. Yes, there will be heartbreak and suffering, but also personal growth and maturity that will impact their mutual relationships positively.

So the past episodes have made me sad but for the right reason., Writer-nim and PD-nim, please keep up the consistency until its very end. And thank you SBS, for providing a preview for next week; although belatedly, and after refreshing your site countless times, this heart of mine found some comfort in the glimpses of what's to come.

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HAHA I agree with so many comments here that this was a hard week -- as if last week wasn't hard enough. the issue here is that the show was really the strongest in the first half when they were friends and really supporting each other (knowing what's up, SA perceptively reading the situation ie JY has feelings for JK, and JY supporting SA when DY-MS happened etc). the silent support, the hug, the signed CD, the looks they shared was what made the show so special. and what's so ironic is that when they actually got together as a couple, they began to hide things from each other in fear that it would hurt the other party. and this was mostly from JY's end, where he wouldn't let her in fully due to his belief that he shouldn't make her upset with his problems. and this alienated SA even further, and it didn't really help that the JK insecurity was never truly taken care of. (what a conniving little bi***!! @#%^!!!)

they really need to go back to finding themselves. SA especially needs to decide what she wants to do and overcome that insecurity once and for all (with her job/career path, and confidence in her relationship w JY). and JY, boy, he really needs to learn how to let someone in and resolve the JK issue once and for all.

also praying for the best for DY, MS and HH: y'all deserve good things. pls love yourselves and be supportive friends again
to JK: just leave pls

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I for one was ready for their breakup.

It had to be done. For several reasons.

She needs to get over her insecurities. Her jealousy for Jang Kyung comes from her own insecurities. Granted JK helps with that but JK is inconsequential in this. Till female lead gets over her insecurities, and stands up for herself, no third person, however vile they are, can not breakup a relationship.

And him, lord! Why can't he speak? Introvert is one thing but someone you love is frankly sharing what is making her anxious and all he says is sorry. He really needs to start talking, share his burdens, make her feel he loves her.

The dude has been very frustrating. He is a piano player and he clearly has opportunities to play the way he wants. His new manager, though a bit curt and greedy, is giving him opportunities so he can have a career. But at no point, our male lead has expressed what he really 'wants'. All he says is 'no' for everything. I really would like to know what exactly he wants to do with himself.

These two need to come to a point in their lives where they are happy in their own skins. They are both frustrating as heck.

Today I wondered, if I have partners like them, can I hold on such relationship and my own answer was a resounding NO. Life will be hell.

So, yeah, glad they broke up. It felt real. It is not fun but I like it.

I am sure end game is the couple getting together. But I hope they show their personalities changing for the better that make living with each other a joy. Not frustrating.

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We all hope for our OTP to get back together. That should be the end game- if it were not then the breakup would happen at the end of episode 16 rather than 14.

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It is a rough week indeed. It feels like I went through a break up 😢.. It hurts so much I can’t wait for the next episode. If the writer do not give me a happy ending, I’m definitely gonna hunt them for my wasted hours and emotional tortures...

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Watching the latter half of this drama has been like watching someone knit a sweater. The writer ran out of plot ages ago and is just replaying the same conflicts they pretended to resolve the week prior. I don't know how it's possible, but the main couple has become increasingly incompatible with each second? Sad that the show will end this way.

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When you have a K-drama where the main couple argue from the start its guaranteed that they will get together. When you have a K-drama where the main couple are happy, normal and compatible from the start that means there's going to be a big rift... though usually its because one of them is a serial killer.

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Lmao, spot on. At least SA isn't a serial killer. Small mercies.

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Or is she??? hahahahhaa a plot twist that would make this drama completely off the rails...we might as well give Joon Young amnesia too.

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Right, lol

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Full disclosure: I love all things piano, love how KMJ is a rapper and Mr. Dimples and Giggles at the same time, and think PEB is the way, the truth and the life (the Holy PEBle). So I'm biased AF for this show.

So, for what it's worth (nothing), I LOVED the pain of ep13-14:

1) Most kdramas have an up-and-down but steadily growing love trajectory. OTP works through downs and come out of them stronger each time, so much so that the dreaded ep14 cliff doesn't even feel like one at all. But DYLB was almost all adorbs rise from ep1-11, and when there were difficulties, the nice, introverted couple would divert them with ice cream dates instead of fully addressing their underlying issues. So things kept building and building and then BOOM crash landing on Joonsong. I analogize this to a stock market crash, all rise based on unreliable assets like subprime mortgages and overpriced tech bubbles, and then boom, market crash, fakeness exposed. And yes, I just compared tech stocks to ice cream dates. Man, I'm whipped for show.

Some may understandably find this whiplash upsetting, but I love it cause it uniquely and realistically reminds me of first love: big honeymoon period followed by abrupt, random crash, and one is left wondering, “Why did we break up again?”

2) Similarly, most kdramas have an up-and-down but steadily growing career trajectory. By ep16, the sexy men left the chaebol to start their kyoot small business, and the women are doing the squad walk in their new Gucci boss bish suits (think "Because This is Our First Life" X "WWW"). And this is because hardworking Asia/Korea still believes that dedicated work will lead to riches. Korea is still a striving country. But DYLB is the opposite: it's main theme is not achieving one's dream, but letting go of one's dream.

And it's been discussed here, but that's understandably hard to watch for strivers and those who subscribe to Angela Duckworth's book, “Grit.” It was especially painful this week when the show pretty much said, “some of you are arrogant for holding onto your dream and may need to humbly serve your more talented classmates,” as discussed during Youngin noona's speech and the AMAZING scene in which SA is touching her violin scar. But as many have said, isn't that sadly real life, misaeng? And I'm all for coming-of-age dramas, but sometimes real life is interesting, no? I like shows that achieve small victories (OTP plays Brahms) instead of, say, Itaewon Class haha.

3) I started reading a book by therapist Brene Brown on shame and vulnerability while watching DYLB (as if god intended it). Brene defines shame as "intensely painful feeling or experience of believing that we are flawed and therefore unworthy of love and belonging." And its diff for women (who are ashamed of not meeting societal standards) and men (who are ashamed of looking weak). And the key to letting go of shame is vulnerability.

So I find it utterly fascinating to see how...

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all of the DYLB characters have deep shame but are facing it differently. SA is ashamed she has no talent and is not as talented as JY and wants to be vulnerable but lost all her outlets. JY is ashamed of his parents, won't do the reality show, but after years of being trained to be perfect for judges looks constipated when SA asks him simple questions like "where are you?" Only HH is becoming vulnerable about his shame for being average, but he's just super goofy about it in ep14 haha.

So to sum, I'm reading way too much into a show that is a glorified PPL for the Steinway Spiro (the recording piano from ep14) hahaha. Nonetheless, I'm still on the Brahmsies Ship and pumped for FINALE WEEK!!! WOO-HOO!!! #masochist

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Hehehe we share the same love ❤️
That hashtag #️⃣ is everything 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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I'd give your post a thumbs up if I had thumbs up privileges.

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Once again, you take my breath away when you articulate these thoughts that I sadly cannot even begin to sort out. Double thumbs up!

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i was too emo and defensive about my (our) beloved show. i've calmed in the past couple days and now stick to more simple arguments, "KMJ and PEB are so hot." 🤭

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Nicely said @ltung23

This show also reminded me of my uniquely and realistically first love - dated for almost 13 years and I don't remember the reason why we broke up. 🤣Pumped up for finale week too!!!

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i'm sorry to hear that. 13 years. wow. hopefully it's way behind in the rear view mirror for you. not to make light of you situation, but your life is like a 50 episode version of dylb (weekend family drama version).

without being tmi, i was a pianist in high school and my first love was a violinst (see where this is going?), but i was dumped cause allegedly i needed to "sort out my thoughts on god" (she was a hardcore christian, me lukewarm). hence, my bias for show. except you swap god for JK. 🤭😆

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He was a campus heartthrob (choir member and theatre actor) and me just ordinary... But he stood for me/us and I felt loved and the prettiest when I was with him. I still don't remember why we broke up and his friends are my friends too, so I have to avoid them during events/gatherings. I had not seen him since then but sometimes I still think of him and what-ifs. So I kinda know how Song-ah feels (ex GF and all the talk that he is too good for me etc.) Oh well... I hope he is happy, ❤️

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thanks for sharing. wow, your life has many elements of DYLB: the heartthrob, the music, the intermission, the nosy, judgmental society. well, for what it's worth, i'm glad you're free of the pain that the relationship brought and now you're FAF for a new start, a new beginning, like our lovely SA.

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Bring back the cute smiles, cafe dates and holding hands writer-nim!!

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I was thinking JY and SA need their own song.

If there is a time jump, I fear perverse dramaverse fate won’t favor our couple, does it ever ?

Leon Russell’s A Song For You The piano playing is so wonderfully melancholy .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37dw2r45Xzg

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This week’s episode was really hard to watch, and I feared this special, sensitively and tightly written drama would topple over :/

Agree with @lindag that the writing went off course and doesn’t feel like it had the grip and clarity for the past 11 episodes, and was disappointed because I binge watch ep 1- 12 and didn’t see this coming at all, I understand the need for angst and learning to communicate with each other as parts and parcel of being together, but omg the amount of projecting ones insecurities onto the other and keeping thoughts and emotions hidden was so hard to watch. Generally a few characters was so out off, JK was one of them and I just didn’t find it unbelievable that JK would be so emotionally raw towards prof lee?

I think the lack of communication and JY constantly apologising threaded on becoming a toxic relationship, the eventual break up was a shock but I strongly supported the decision, because I cannot fathom how they can be together when constantly walk on egg shells. I just dont know how we went from beautifully learning about one’s pain and traumas to episode 13-14.

SA’s insecurity was also something that I wasn’t prepared for, the SA we knew in episode 1 was such a stark difference from what she became when dating JY. In fact I dont understand how SA would expect JY to erase a friendship / love / history of 15 years.

Towards the end of of ep 14 is where I start appreciating what the directors and writers are trying to achieve in giving us all these angst and dramatic emotions. That one cant just write off 15 years of feelings because of someone new, and in this aspect it beautifully portrayed the nuanced feelings and entanglements of getting over someone who has always been in your heart. And the breakup was one amazing plot point for me, because I think they cant truly love each other until they actually start loving themselves and drawing boundaries around them.

But OK I AM READY FOR EP 15 NOW. Time to meet each other as equals. Seeing where this is all going, I wouldn’t mind if out OTP dont end up together (BUT I DOUBT SO!) but with all 4 of them pursuing a path that leads them to their happiness which ever it may be.

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I believe it'll be a happy ending for the both of them due to the insta live that both of them did a few days ago. SA said something like "we'll be happy together right?" so it was sorta a spoiler (?)

I don't understand why JY said that he was playing Traumerei for the last time to JK?(when JK confronted him and asked why he was still playing that piece) Was that a lie cos it didn't seem like he would stop playing Traumerei if he didn't get caught in the video? It felt like a "sorry that I got caught" moment for me lmao

Someone pointed that the break up was unfair to JY as SA was only thinking about herself but coming from SA's perspective, I have to say that the coincidences are way too much. From the taxi sharing, JK walking out of JY's apartment and then the ultimatum of him playing Traumerei. I like how the break up scene was being portrayed though, it showed how speechless he was to even give SA a proper answer.

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He chose to not disclose stuff to SA from the very beginning as he wanted to "protect" SA, his family issues, his suffocation relationship with his prof, and how JK was repaying his dad's debt all the while.

If he had to answer SA honestly during the break up scene, it meant that he had to reveal all of those which he had intended to keep mum about from SA. Coming from JY's perspective, he didn't want to burden SA with all the unpleasant things he was going through himself.

Even till the very end, he chose to not say a single word but "sorry", the very thing that SA hated to hear and yet it was all JY could offer given how adamant he was in not revealing anything.

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JY indeed do not know how to be in a relationship yet. I hope he learnt through the break up. If he really love SA he should have let her know about his problems, that means letting her in his life, however miserable it is.. i’m sure SA will accept him as it is, nobody's perfect

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I remember a beanie once shared an article where the writer said that JY is not a perfect boyfriend.. he still has some growing up to do. True enough, and I think we were shown that way back in the early episodes, except KMJ had been swoony as JY that we tend to forget that.

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@angloh, i feel like you nail JY's lack of vulnerability perfectly, that "protecting" SA is actually an excuse for still having issues to sort with JK, mom and dad. and when he was caught, he froze. like a pianist who made made a mistake.

i'd only add that his perfectionist tendencies (with the broken piano, due to year of competition) make his lack of sharing his problems worse.

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I'm angry against mostly everybody in this drama :p

Professors Lee and Song : Their little power war is hurting so many people around them : JK for the teacher job, HH for the orchestra and the place as a teacher, SA, Ji-Won, etc.

Professor Yoo : He's not a good teacher but he stole JY's music because he's not a good pianist neither... I was surprised how JY wasn't so angry but pretty calm about it. Poor Cha Young-In, she dated him and trusted him.

Song-Ah: I understand her but she's living in a bubble. She doesn't follow what is happening around her. She could avoid this situation, at least undertstood it when Kim Hae-Na talked to her. She always listens JK and takes what she said for granted when JY says the opposite. I think she could trust him more. He never asked her anything about Dong-Yoon.

Joon-Young: He never shares his present struggles with SA but only the past. The fact she always learns things about him by a third party is not fair. With SA's reaction to everything about JK, I understand he doesn't really to talk about her with SA, after all, she connected to his past, the Foundation, his parents, to everything in his life. So it's difficult for him to adress the subject. For Traümerei, again it was his way to close this chapter of his life but he wasn't sure SA will understand. But at the end, it was worse.

Jung-Kyung: She uses her past with JY to gain what she wants and it's not fair. Their relationship is really not simple. I can understand why she was angry against SA who can't not protect JY when she didn't hesitate to help him. But she doesn't have the rights to talk to SA about JY, she knows nothing about them and JY was clear about his feelings.

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Fortunately, there is BTS video! KMJ is so cute!

https://youtu.be/tUcKnTijGbY?t=90

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You know what ending I want? A time juml and their relationship open ended.

Joon Young and Song Ah have a duet. They still broken apart and sometime later they'll meet again and smile at each other.

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then we Beanies just write our own fanfics to satisfy our own imaginations haha

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Am I opening a can of worms? 😂😂😂

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as long as they are gummy worms...

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hahaha this convo, *dusting off my fanfic fountain pens and tearing open a bag of gummy worms.

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@ltung23 OH PLEASE WRITE SOMETHING FOR US!!

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will do, for the 5 of us still into the show after "5 years later" and an open ending. :)

confession: i've already developed one in my brain involving JY finally making money by releasing an album of him accompanying kpop stars including the real-life taeyeon. and in the studio while making "kiss me," taeyeon hits on him ..... k, i'll stop by now before things get embarrassing for me. ;)

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Will Taeyeon be another JK to foil our Joonsong?! 🥺