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Open Thread #686

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Cricket December it is - yes yes yes

Playing virus infected cricket 2007 and plan to buy Cricket 2019 in January 2021. I'm not much into games and especially not into action aka violence games.

Netflix Japan comes up with good media
Netflix Korea - big meh

Alice is borderland kento+Tao pair - good one. They did put efforts in acting. i recognise the effort, might not accepting whatever act they did though.

Stock Market - December going quite good.
Forex - January 2021

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I should an AMA reddit style - naaaah. big no.
As for that fellow guest - More or less I have maintained the specific characteristic of being someone who shows not much warmth towards other humans. I never gave idea of being fond of humans.

@screentime Its not matter of being complex - its just we like absorb things and become large - Several months ago i had written that i accept every ideology and intentionally used few words of bait. But, we do use this system most of the time. Rather than lobbying with only 1 party, rather than funding only 1 party - You fund both sides. That way you try to play a safe and secure game.
Accepting every ideology is such slick strategy. How can some sail every ship available? But that where this strategy works. You don't openly take a stand against anyone and yet covertly you have market the region as yours and force them to accept your lead. Divided and weakened ideologies end up making compromises and there slippage is what you earn.
Such good move of colonists. Human history teaches you a lot about humans. And history was always my favourite subject and i consider this being 1 major reason i'm not too fond of humans. Seen enough skin of humans to get enchanted by any of them.

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I'm a bit sad of ongoing issues regarding Fly Dragon/Delayed Justice.

Bae Sung-woo got DUI last month (November 2020) and his driver's license temporarily suspended. He edited out from episodes 12 to 16 after he apologized. The episode 12 will be airing tomorrow (December 12) due to film showing "Kim...Born 1982". Episode 13 will be on January 2021 meaning three-week break for this show. I knew it was 20 episodes, not 16 and from the last four episodes (17-20) will be without Bae Sung-woo (I think it is only one of two ML continues his role alone).

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But in the cloud / silver lining department, I didn't like his character much anyway, so no loss. The supporting good guys (junior reporter, ex-prosecutor & ex-detective) have been more interesting than either of the leads.

And at least nobody got hurt and he didn't try to rape anybody, unlike the last drunk lead I know of who left mid-show (Joseon Survival).

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Hello beans *waves*

It's the second week of the last month of the year. I hope everyone had a good week and a good weekend!

And....join me watch Kairos~ only 4 episodes left ๐Ÿฅบ๐Ÿ˜ญ.

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It's been a pretty good week thanks to Kairos, but I slightly regret marathoning 12 eps in 3 days then having to wait another 4-5 days for ep13...

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Iโ€™ve joined you! Iโ€™m catching up fast, am enjoying a lot!

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Cha Tae-hyun was a recent guest on Running Man. He teased Lee Kwang Soo that he heard that he did not get along with actress Son Ye Jin. Kwang Soo denied it, but Tae-hyun pressed him, "Son Ye Jin in movie Pirates." Kwang Soo was frustrated; why would you say that when she is not in the film (Pirates 2)?

It was an odd interchange. Did Tae-Hyun not know SYJ was not in Pirates 2? Maybe k-stars are not up on what their colleagues are doing but the newsworthy Pirates 2 is a large budget, action film that is still filming during the pandemic.

The Korean entertainment industry does use a bait and hook method of pre-marketing their projects. Directors, writers or production companies send out press releases stating a star received an "offer" to do their project, but it really means they send them a script to review. The press then contacts the agency for the standard response that the star is "reviewing" the script and/or is undecided. The response alone gives the production company the guile to "attach" a big star to the project to get financing, media buzz, or other actors to commit to it.

The internet never forgets and never corrects. SYJ was attached to Pirates 2 a long time ago because she did the first one but never agreed to be in the second. But internet stories (mediaplay and production company buzz to get investors, etc) are still out there saying she was going to do it so one could search the film and get bad, inaccurate results. It really is a disservice to the public and the actors.

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I didn't think that South Korea might moving forward to the highest Covid-19 level meaning that South Korea will temporarily not allow tourists to travel this country and the entire total lockdown across South Korea if it might happen above Level 2.5 due to rising Covid-19 cases.

Meanwhile, Chungha tested positive and her single "X" and its music video supposedly out yesterday (December 10) with her studio album Querencia planned to release next month, but the former was moving into next year while her studio album will be announcing on a later date in 2021.

Also, the two sad Covid-19 news on Korean filmworld: 41st Blue Dragon Awards moved to 2021 and great Korean film director Kim Ki-duk died of this disease in Latvia.

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Last January, I planned to take a trip to Seoul in December.
If tourism ever opens, there may be two week self-quarantines or other restrictions which would make a holiday trip into a nightmare.

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I was wondering, for Beanies for whom Korean is a foreign language but now are able to watch and understand K-dramas without subtitles, how long did it take you to reach that level of proficiency? What learning tools/aids did you find the most helpful?

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Thanks for asking this - I would love to know, too!

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I know there are others I'm forgetting to mention.

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Thanks for tagging me! I don't come on here that often anymore so sorry for the delayed response ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

I've been studying off and on for three years now, I think. I still watch with subtitles but I can understand the more basic parts of the conversations. My new years resolution is to study every day this year so hopefully I'll improve a lot by the end of the year.

To learn hangul, I used this series. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4mysljHYc

After that, I used Talk to Me in Korean's free grammar podcasts which you can find on their website and on spotify.

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Thank you so much for replying, @raonah! Will check out the video link. I'm definitely thinking of utilising TTMIK resources since so many here have recommended them, and it's another point in their favour that you've had a positive experience with them too. All the best for your new year's resolution!

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I'd say it's taken me about 5 years to get to the point where I understand most basic dialogue without subtitles. (I still don't understand any deeper philosophical dialogue or technical language.) I haven't used any learning aids, just gradually pieced the language together by following the subtitles. It does help that I speak Japanese, and many of the words are similar, due to their mutual connection with China, to the point where it sometimes sounds like a dialect of the same language. Compare French or German with English, for example. For instance "family" in Korean is "kajogi", in Japanese it is "kazoku." And the grammar is identical. I'm also somewhat familiar with Korean since my grandfather is Korean. So maybe I have an unfair advantage. :/

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That's pretty cool that you were able to pick it up from the subtitles. One of the difficulties I have is that when I'm reading subtitles, it's harder for me to pick up the spoken sounds and nuances, cos when I read, I do so with an internal voice that kinda drowns out anything else. Not sure if that makes sense but that's how it's like for me. I think also I am more of a visual learner than an aural learner.

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I read up to 800 wpm, so I can see an entire line of text at a glance. Too fast for the internal voice to follow, so it shuts down. It's a skill learned through practice.

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Wow! Can you share how you learned to do this? I am such a slow reader, I often have to go back or pause when there are multiple lines of subtitles at once (and English is my primary language!! :oP).

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@skidmoresy Ah, I think I know what you're referring to. I took a speed reading course before and the instructor referred to this as 'chunking'. I didn't keep up with it for long after the course finished though cos I felt it affected my retention rate, and sometimes I wanted to take my time, especially if I was reading a good book or if the subject matter was particularly difficult to understand. But perhaps I should start practising again.

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Just from watching I can now catch honorifics (sunbae, hobae, etc), yes, no, apologies and expressions of alarm, I can usually tell if they're speaking in banmal (informal speech), I recognize some food names and I know what a norabang is. But actual conversations where they're discussing books or medical procedures or legislation is lost on me. Subtitle readers are sometimes fooled into thinking they're more proficient than they are. If the subtitles abruptly go off you realize you're not as good at is as you thought.

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How do you differentiate between banmal and jondaemal? I honestly can't tell the difference yet. I can usually identify the honourifics by ear, but still learning to understand the context in which they should be used.

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So jondaemal will be used between co-workers, to people older than you, to purple superior to you, to strangers, and to people you aren't quite comfortable. Some people also use it towards their parents.
Banmal is used between friends, family, and often towards children.
I remember starting to figure this out because characters would add "yo" (์š”) to their end of their sentences. That's the easiest indicator of when someone's talking politely but there's another form of polite language that makes things more complicated.

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Ah, that's a helpful tip, to look out for the "yo" (์š”). Thank you for that, @frabbycrabsis, and also your explaination about jondaemal and banmal. My confusion partly stems from the fact that when I use Papago to translate some phrases, sometimes I get an option where I can choose to see a more formal translation, which to me, looks vastly different from the 'regular' translation. Since then, I had always thought that there's two different versions of Korean, kinda like Medieval English vs Contemporary English, where there's some similarities, but enough differences that it can sound like something totally different.

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European here, no previous knowledge of related languages. Still didn't get to the point of understanding real conversations, but can understand most "everyday interactions". I guess you end up picking up most of the vocabulary from dramas, but if you're a language nerd like me, you might enjoy playing with Lingodeer to get a feel of the grammar (you need a subscription, but they have special offers and after comparing with other apps, I find this one clearly better - at least for Korean). There are also free audios from Talktomeinkorean on Spotify, not sure now but I think they have the transcripts for the basic level for free on their webpage

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Ops, forgot to answer your question. 2 years of (intensive) drama watching

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@flyingcolours Thanks so much for the tips. Will definitely check out Lingodeer and Talktomeinkorean. Just started dabbling with the Duolingo app, but while I find it helpful to learn how to recognise hangul, it's light on explanations and sometimes I get through certain levels based on the process of elimination rather than because they explained it. I think it's fantastic that you managed to get so proficient at Korean in just two years!

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Non-Korean here, and also a relative K-drama newbie. In the past 4 months, Iโ€™ve taught myself to read Hangul, which is pretty useless, since I donโ€™t understand most of the words Iโ€™m reading, lol.

That said, I can now understand several short sentences and phrases without subtitles, although I sometimes turn the Korean subs on in Netflix, so I can read along and confirm my understanding of those words.

One thing that makes spoken Korean hard to follow us that some words and sounds are elided and sound quicker/shorter than as written. Also, the โ€œnโ€ and โ€œmโ€ sounds being less nasal in Korean (and therefore sometimes sounding like โ€œdโ€ and โ€œbโ€) is something I found really confusing at first, but now seems totally natural, if that makes sense.

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After two years of study, I can understand some basic conversation. But Korean is a difficult language to learn because as you said alphabet sounds tend to blend together. And Koreans speak fast. When watching Korean television including news programs, I was amazed to find that those shows often subtitle in Korean.

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@hcatfan and @welh Thanks for sharing your experience. I also have difficulty telling certain characters apart by their sound, but I think this is something that will probably work itself out the more exposure I get to listening to spoken Korean. Am currently dabbling with the DuoLingo app and it can get pretty confusing associating certain sounds with their version of romanisation of Hangul.

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What I have done recently is to listen to a Korean sentence. Write it down as I hear it (not how romanisation would). Then I would look up the Hangul for the words, write them next to my phonetics then re-listen to the sentence to find the small differences. Then I revise my phonetics to match the speaker.

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@welh That's a great idea. I'll try to do that as well.

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It's a constant learning process for me, but the first time I watched a drama entirely raw was Age of Youth 2 in 2017... so four or five years? I used Duolingo to learn the Korean alphabet, but I generally work by ear.

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@frabbycrabsis Wow, that's pretty amazing. Did things just fall into place naturally the more you learnt the language? Also, did you learn vocabulary and grammar just from watching dramas? I know some people are able to pick up foreign languages that way, but it's something which has so far escaped me >.< But then again, I probably don't watch that much K-drama for it to make that much of a difference. I had a friend who signed herself up for an 8-month Chinese culture and Mandarin language course in Beijing and she told me that this form of immersion is the best way to pick Chinese up because you're forced to interact with the language everyday and in almost every situation, so you have no choice but to improve. Before she went for the course, her understanding of Mandarin was basic at best. When she got back, I would say she was at a solid intermediate level in her spoken Mandarin.

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I can understand 25 - 30% of the dialogue and I've watching K dramas for...... twenty something years ๐Ÿคฃ

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I'm not one of those people who pick things up, especially languages, naturally. I have to actively learn and continuously practice something to make it stick ^_^"

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One thing to investigate is K-pop. Most notably lyric videos that display Hangul, romanized Hangul and English at the same time as the artist sings. IU in particular has impeccable diction. When she pronounces 'hanahana soge dallajineun' you hear every syllable being sung.

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Will definitely check out UI. I've seen some fan lyric MVs which display Hangul and romanised Hangul, and that would definitely come in handy in developing the aural ability to recognise Korean.

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Ive been learning since August. Kdrama is part of my learning - I have a notepad where I write things I dont know like expressions, slangs, etc. I can understand 20% of kdramas. I was kinda surprised that I could understand something in Zombie Detective without the subtitles. There is a lot of things that are overused as formula for dramas, so... But Variety shows is what I find it hard.

TTMIK is my favourite to learn.

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That's so cool! Is your learning self-directed or part of a structured programme e.g. language course? What do you like about TTMIK?

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I enrolled in a korean course. I felt I was stuck and needed more information than just the computer. So we have a program and a book to follow, BUT the course is just for 2 hours, once a week and we do most work at home and basically come to the teacher with the doubts we had on an exercise. TTMIK is my savior. I love because they have a fun way of teaching and everything is separate by subject. So if I have a doubt about a particle, or how to say the names of the week (for example), it is very easy to find.

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I browsed through the TTMIK website earlier after reading the recommendations here and I have to say, the books and programme look good. Your positive experience with it is another notch in its favour. Thanks for sharing!

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Not exactly sure exactly how many years but I started learning Hangul in 2009. My first subtitling work on viki was Gu Family Book which came out in 2013. I learned the basic ones pretty fast like annyeong, oppa, etc. but being able to watch dramas without subtitles took a while. I used livemocha back in the days and a bit of ttmik. I listened to a lot of kpop and watched lots of dramas and variety shows. I did language exchange with Koreans I met online and I felt that helped a lot. I always tell people to talk to themselves in Korean to practice. I feel like my thoughts are now in Korean lol.

Fighting!

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@earthna That's really inspiring! Thank you for sharing your experience. How did you initially do the subtitling for K-dramas, like did you do it based on the spoken dialogue or worked from Korean subtitles? Do you feel it helped you to pick up the language faster? Also, to me, being able to get to that level of being able to think in a foreign language is a hallmark of achieving a really solid level of comfort with the language. That's a pretty amazing achievement and I can't help but express my respect that you've done it.

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So how it works on viki is that the episode will be cut into segments. We listen to the dialogue and enter the translations. I started translating basic ones then I was able to do more subtitling as years passed.

I think it helped me a lot because I had to replay the dialogues multiple times before translating. Also, if you're watching a drama, it's nice to repeat the dialogue after you hear it.^^

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@earthna That is really, really cool. The way how you approached the subtitling for Viki sounds like it was a great way to consistently be exposed to and get practice in understanding the Korean language. And all your hard work throughout the years has definitely paid off. Thanks again for sharing your experience. I learnt a lot :)

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Beanies, hope you've had a great week and are coasting into the weekend. We're on Day 11 of the Round Up, and I have enjoyed reading all your posts and discussions and reliving the best (worst, funniest, sweetest, etc.) of the year in dramas. I've been trying to use it as a chance to really remember what I liked best about what I watched this year.

In other news, I've seen stuff about Discord floating around here and was curious so took a peek. I feel a bit like I'm crashing a party by asking this, but do we have a group there that can be joined and (if so) how does one find it? It turns out I'm more tech illiterate than I thought, and despite literally googling "how to do it," I...can't do it. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ I couldn't seem to find any drama-related communities, so I guess I'm officially older than I thought? I'm not sure when that happened. Thanks (and I hope it's okay that I asked)!

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They intermittently post an invite on the fanwall. Not sure who the best contact is so - @egads @bebeswtz ?

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Thank you! :-)

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Feel free to email me at [email protected] and I'll send you a link to join the channel @carlybisek. If that makes you uncomfortable, tag me on your fan wall and I'll give you one on a less traveled comment thread.

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Cheers, will do @egads!

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This made me laugh in empathy as I don't even know what Discord is, and have definitely had similar "When did I fall completely behind with new tech? I guess I'm a fuddy duddy now..." moments. It happened most jarringly when I was teaching a course and couldn't get the tech to work, and I suddenly felt for all the teachers that ever faced a room full of eye-rolling students...I had joined the club! :oP

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I just kind of sat there at one point and was like...wait, am I old now?! How is this happening?! Who even am I?? ๐Ÿคฃ

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Two questions: (1) is it too late to comment on the 2020 Roundup?

(2) is this site switching to Discord? Sigh.

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There is no official DB discord. I believe some Beanies who have become friendly and used to do group watches on a different and now extinct platform created a Discord group for themselves.

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Two answers: (1) it is NEVER too late to comment on the 2020 Roundup! Please join in! ๐Ÿ˜Š (2) it's not switching - I was just curious from a some passing comments...and, as the saying goes, it may have killed the cat a bit.

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Great! Where can I find the 2020 Roundup post? I tried to search for it, but weirdly, it didn't come up?

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I will post the JPEG of the list on my fan wall and tag you - I can find the actual post either.

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I just finished the J drama called Nananin no Hisho( Seven secretaries).It was a good drama with some good Japanese actresses and Shim Eun Kyung. Her role in the drama is a secretary/ nerd computer hacker so she is dorky and nonchalant about her look, which somehow make me miss her in Money Game.
The Money Game is a bit difficult drama theme where a financial collapse was set in the drama which happened to coincide with the stock market crash in March! I found that the theme is quite on spot and an intrigue but above all I love the chemistry between Yoo teo( Yoo Jin Han and Shim Eun Kyung( lee Hye Joon). Yoo Teo kicked out Ko Soo who is supposed to be a male lead with his nuanced and layered play.
It is not a romance drama but I must say that the best couple in K drama can be Lee Hye Joon and Yoo Jin Han, the most unlikely couple. One might hate Yoo Jin Han for what he does in his business but I just love his shy awkward attitude towards Lee Hye Joon. He might have many gramalous lovers in the past but I feel that Lee Hye Joon who looks rather dorky is the one who really caught his attention and love. I think he really found something precious in her cause there is probably no one like her who stands by her belief in his business. I love Lee Hye Joon being a straight talker and she is also nonchalant about her look or style. In the end she straightened him out.

Regarding Japanese drama I have been enjoying '30 saimade douteidato mahotsukaini narerurasii'( if you are a virgin at age 30 you can be a magician?). I just love how the main leads.
My daughter always complained that J drama does not have a production value cause actors tend to be meh and they spend much less on overall cost production. She is right about that in part Japanese dramas are not produced to sell to the world boradcasting stations thus their budget is much smaller. But I find some dramas are quite refreshing and give us a different views on the society we live in. This drama is about that!

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I wanted to talk a little about the Japanese dramas I'm watching right now! I haven't watched any in so long, I'm having a great time!

Cherry Magic: This is not only one of the best queer romances I've ever seen, it's generally a very great romance show. I remember thinking the premise sounded a little stupid, but the idea of virgins gaining the ability to read minds when they turn thirty is actually sound - that way, you're 100x more likely to know when someone likes you, and that certainty could give you the courage to pursue them (I would say it feel slightly like the show is one of many created to raise the birth rate in Japan, but I can't since the main couples are all men hahaha). The characters are wonderful (especially Adachi) and I'm so glad I picked it up.

Neechan no Koibito: @cloggie, thank you! If I hadn't read what you wrote about this, I wouldn't have picked it up! IT'S GREAT. I've seen Arimura Kasumi in a few things, but this is by far her greatest role, and Hayashi Kento is also incredible. This show does such a good job of making me FEEL, it's so emotionally charged. The little world it's set in makes me happy and I can't wait for the next episode to be subbed.

35-sai no Shoujo: Wow, where do I start with this. So, this was written by the writer of Overprotected Kahoko, and feels a little like that show's cynical bitter older sister. They have very similar themes, but 35-sai no Shoujo is generally much darker with them. And then the show takes a dive in episode 8, completely turning the direction of the plot. Whilst it's not bad per say, I do wish things had happened differently - at this point, the elements of the plot are all still very rich, but feel disparate from each other. The next episode comes out in a few days, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it'll end.

Neko: Cute! And tragic! But cute! This drama just asks what we mean to each other, and every episode leaves me speechless.

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"the show is one of many created to raise the birth rate in Japan, but I can't since the main couples are all men" ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
Been seeing lots of love for Cherry Magic on Tumblr. Now that I read your comment, I may give it a try because the latest kdramas I'm interested in are all pretty dark and I need some fluff to balance out

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All the Discord beans are adoring the show, that's what convinced me to give it a try, it's absolutely worth your time!

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Cherry Magic is just plain fun and a nice romance.

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Hello Beanies! Happy Friday!

Iโ€™ve been struggling with work, with holiday preparations, and with 2020 making me want to hide in the bathroom and have a good cry. So I-drama (and the show recaps here) have been like balm to my tired soul, lol. (Ok, so maybe I-drama is making me a bit melodramatic, lol).

Iโ€™m mostly catching up on older shows, and I recently finished Hyun Binโ€™s โ€œchaebol cycleโ€ with Hyde, Jekyll, Me. Itโ€™s not very good, and I guess it was widely panned at the time? But Hyun Bin was amazing in it (and hot, because, well, Iโ€™m also kind of shallow and need little excuse to watch hot people in designer suits). I was properly surprised/impressed to discover Hyun Bin has excellent chemistry with himself, lol.

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Hi @hcatfan, I hear you...kdramas and the drama community have been like balm to my tired soul, too. :o) I hope that 2021 will be better to us. <3

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Yes, fingers crossed for 2021 for all of us!

(My phone compulsively autocorrects โ€œk-dramaโ€ to โ€œI-dramaโ€, lol).

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And i thought you were referring to bollywood or indonesian dramas. But with hyun bin in the post, i guess we cannot be mistaken in this community.

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My family is originally from India, fwiw, so it could have been Bollywood, except I don't watch a lot of Bollywood. But now I've got this weird thought about Hyun Bin and Bollywood, lol.

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Have as many cries as you need to. And watch as many k-dramas as you need to. I hope work gets easier and that you have a happy holiday season ahead of you!

PS:

surprised/impressed to discover Hyun Bin has excellent chemistry with himself, lol.

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๐Ÿ˜ you are so right, HB does even have excellent chemistry with himself! Gosh, that was a terrible show, though. Hoooeeeeee ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿผโ€โ™€๏ธ
Best of luck with the holidays and work and I say, sometimes you just need a cry a day. 2020 is one of those times ๐Ÿ˜ข

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My father passed away in Taiwan a few days ago. (Not COVID-related) My sister in Indiana made a hasty arrangement to fly there - without getting emergency authorization from Taiwanese consulate for non Taiwanese citizen. I hastily gathered some paperwork that my brother in Taiwan might need for various arrangements, then hoped to give it to my sister during her 50-min layover at O'Hare Airport.

O'Hare United Airline terminal was not packed but was still steadily busy. (More people traveling with pets than I expected.) She was worried that coming out of the gate to meet me then going through security checkpoint again might cause her to miss her connection. I spoke with a gate agent about handing my sister the paperwork. He relayed my situation "upward". A supervisor came, took the paperwork, then handed it to my sister at the gate. We were very grateful they could help us.

Because my sister didn't have prior authorization nor proof of relationship to my dad, Eva Airline initially refused to allow her boarding. They did hold the flight for her so that my mom's brother in Taiwan could try finding "proof". (I believe we actually have it here too.) Luckily he found it before the time deadline.

My sister had a negative result rapid COVID test in Indiana but Taiwan made her take a PCR test before allowing entry. She was surprised how seriously they took quarantine. Heavy fines and possible criminal penalties for family members and her if she breaks quarantine. Food and other necessities are left by the door. She says that that she feels like a prisoner 4 days into quarantine. At least she can access WIFI, and the room is much bigger than a standard jail cell.

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Was looking for some video product review on Youtube when I noticed recommendation on donghua/anime based on "Scum Villain's Self-Saving System" by Mo Xiang Tong Chou (author of Mo Dao Zu Shi, source of cdrama "The Untamed"). It's nice of Tencent to make it available in the US.

I didn't read the novel. As a MDZS fan following Chinese fanfic writers/artists and super fans, the exposure to the "often ignored first-born son" is unavoidable. I'm also not a fan of Chinese 3D animation. Still, I watched all season 1 episodes as a stress reliever. Obviously a much lower budget production than MDZS donghua season 1. Voice actor for the male lead SQQ, whose work I'm familiar with from various audio dramas, did well. LBH isn't as weepy as my impression of the character. I must say that donghua's story-telling was done pretty well. Not much to complain about.

I know Heaven Official's Blessing donghua season 1 is on Bilibili. (Also didn't read the novel). Super fans' posts about lots of sad and tormenting stuff scared me off. I tried to join HOB Youtube channel paid member without luck.

(Use a VPN set to a country without regional restriction to open a new Google account then US credit card should likely work).

Turns out HOB on Bilibili has no regional restriction for now. (Took me a year and a few tries before I passed the quizzes to become a Bilibili member. ) Only the most recent episode requires paid VIP membership. Watched the first 7 eps. Noticed some structural and logical issues with the story-telling (might have been inherited from the novel itself, about which some super fans mentioned/complained). The voice actors, whose works I'm also familiar with from audio dramas, have been rather flat. Sometimes character facial expressions don't match the emotions I'm hearing. Animation quality is so-so. Its production budget seems to be lower than MDZS and higher than Scum.

Bilibili did spend reported 40,000,000 Chinese Yuan on the rights to HOB donghua and manhua, while Bilibili was (and still is) technically in the red as a tech "startup" on the US stocks exchange. Tencent and Alibaba invested in the company soon after it spent a ton of money acquiring certain rights to 4 or 5 popular Chinese BL IPs.

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I'm so sorry about your father passing. I'm glad your sister was able to get to Taiwan despite all the red tape, and I hope you have some support and comfort around you right now.

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I'm sorry for your loss.
I'm glad things worked out for your sister. It sounds like stress on top of stress.

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I'm sorry for your loss. Having all those hurdles in an already stressful situation sounds terrible. Your sister and you are managing things really well. You deserve a big hug

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I'm so sorry for your loss. What a harrowing experience for your sister having to deal with grief and bureaucracy all at once.

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Thinking of you and your family, @snickers. I hope you all feel loved and supported during this time. <3

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So sorry to hear of your loss - Iโ€™m glad your sister managed to make it. It sounds very stressful at an already hard time.

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i can understand the harsh requirements because Taiwan is an island nation. any disease can decimate such a closed community...

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Due to locking down the border very early and strict health measures, Taiwan supposedly only has had 500 or so locally transmitted COVID cases and 7 deaths since this whole thing began. Its economy is close to fully open. People must mask up when distancing is not possible. Restaurants have plexiglass dividing booths. These are pretty much it. An official commented that their policy took 14 days from 200,000+ people (mandatory quarantine and tracing) to give its 20 million or so residents relatively normal lives.

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I am so very sorry for your loss @snickers. May he rest in peace and you have my very tight hug.

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Taiwan's strict rules are the reason that they have only had 7 COVID deaths so far, compared to almost 300K in the US.

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Sorry to hear of your father's passing. And having to go through the bureaucratic rigmarole. Though, needed for population protection and health. I too went through 14 day quarantine in 4-star hotel comfort farther down under. indeed, i thought of prison, but took comfort that i'm going through it to protect others. Though there were times, if it were normal, there would have been a blow up. Lessons in self-control. I just thought of the kindness of the government (and taxpayers) to let me get through it for free. 3 meals and 2 snacks! 2x free laundry.

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Thank you for your thoughts.

My sister mentioned in an email to my dad's siblings that she's been doing some self-reflecting while drinking my dad's 30-yr old scotch whiskey.

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I'm very sorry for your loss Snickers! May he rest in peace.

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Morning all, it's finally Saturday!
Any suggestion that things might 'wind down' towards the end of the year has been shot. It's just getting crazier. I don't know about you but my 2021 is going to be nuts. I'm not sure I'm up for it.

Anyway I have something of interest to share - after a year, three polls and lots and lots of voting I finally have the results of the very big End of Decade Drama Poll. Yes, it's the Top 10 Korean dramas ever - as voted by (a lot of) you.

See the Top 10 here
https://invisibledragon.home.blog/2020/12/11/the-best-korean-dramas-of-the-decade-as-voted-by-you/

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Thank you for this!

I have almost impossible levels of love for a couple of dramas on that list, but most especially for the one at #1. That show owns my heart, just brilliant and moving and perfect.

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Yes it's a truly beautiful drama that definitely deserves it's number one slot

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Yes, very much so. I hope it won all the awards ever.

Out of curiosity, which widely loved shows didn't make the list?

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The most noticeable one was a very high profile supernatural fantasy romance that was in the final round but didn't make the top ten. It's hugely popular but somewhat polarising. Still I was quite surprised it didn't make the list in the end.

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A few of my favorites are not on the list, but I tend to like things a lot of others hate, so that wasn't a total surprise.

I'm both weird and slightly dead inside, lol.

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I tend to like things a lot of others hate

I'm both you and the opposite (hate things a lot of others love).

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Yes, that too. ;)

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Aww, you're not weird. Just different. All art is subjective after all. I mean there was one drama this year that is not only immensely popular but that people keep saying is one of the best - and I thought it was banal and dropped it. We all have our moments.

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I think I know the one, and while I enjoyed it for whatever it was, the hype around it is something I don't quite understand.

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I liked five and disliked the rest. I guess I'm half weird :)

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Haha, feel free to comment and tell me which five

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Usually I complain about lists like this but this one did a pretty good job. There are some series I'd swap out for others but nothing on the list was 'unworthy'. It does my heart good to see 'My Ajusshi' as number one. That's not my #1 K-drama but my #1 from anywhere drama!

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Thank you @leetennant, Dame Judi for all your work on your polls.
I have only been around the world of kdramas only since 2016 and it was my favorite drama and No. 5 on your list HEALER that brought me in. I was surprised that I have watched and really enjoyed 5 dramas on the list: INAR, HEALER, SIGNAL, MISAENG and FOS. That leaves 5 solid dramas to check out.

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ok with your choices. I can 'own' it. A decade's worth, wow. Ah, no, two decades as CP is in it.

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Totally endorse all of those and in that order. Well polled.

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While we're on the subject of voting, there is yet more!

Polls are still open for 2020's end of year drama awards. Vote for your best and favourite, as well as other categories such as Best Romance and Best Internet Meltdown.

There are two polls so remember to vote in both!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BRXHQM6
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BR3TWSM

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12th December 2020 is Shin Sung Rok's 18th debut anniversary!!! ๐Ÿฅณ

To many more years Shin Sung Rok! To many more dramas and even more exciting roles! Thank you for being in a drama in 2020~ thank you for returning to dramaland this year as Kim Seo Jin in Kairos~ ๐Ÿ˜Š

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I started watching the True Beauty k drama and Iโ€™m conflicted. I follow the web toon, and I know artist licence, but so far itโ€™s so different from the comic. I still like it. But I wonder how they will end it cause itโ€™s ongoing abs anyone who reads the comic knows who she ends up with. Mabey they will have a season two? I guess I will have to wait out a few weeks to see

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The TB kdrama is still being filmed, and the ending is unknown. I read a post that it will be based on viewers reaction .

The author, on one of her interviews said that she signed the contract with a clause that she has no control on the direction of the drama. She only have one condition, and she said it's a casting condition.

The webtoon looks like it's trying to make-up with Suho. It's such a mess already and just becoming redundant. Still waiting for FL character development -- like maybe finally loving herself and be proud of who she is.

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The first time I realized I was starting to understand I was watching the series 'Matrimonial Chaos'. In one scene the husband says (in translation) 'Marriage is like porridge' to which the wife responds 'Did you just swear at me?' I jumped up 'Ah! I get that joke!' The Korean word for porridge is juk, which sounds like ... (if you know what I mean). An additional meaning I recently learned juk is a homonym for the word death or murder. So the husband could also have been saying marriage is like death.

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Oops, this should have linked to the 'understanding Korean' post.

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@Mike I just saw this! What you shared about is one of the reasons why I would like to learn Korean, so that I don't miss out on the jokes and puns. Of course, the recaps and comments on Dramabeans also do a great job of drawing attention to said jokes and puns, but it would be nice to understand them during the first viewing :)

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

Iโ€™ll start with the bad news: I had a panic attack last Wednesday. I was already behind on revising after two days of formation, had some work from last week to finish in another day, and the last straw: lots of formation homework that I did not know how start or how to finish by dawn. Fortunately my parents managed to calm me down, I got it all done and the remaining days were a lot calmer. It might happen again unfortunately, because I have to keep up with the formation and work practice during the day and juggle homework, revision and sleep after hours for a couple of weeks.๐Ÿ˜”

The good news is that my government department will be closed from the 24th of December until the 4th of January, which means I can celebrate and catch up on sleep and my formation studies and hopefully also on Dramabeans recaps and (Freestyle) Round Up entries!๐Ÿฅณ It is a shame that the end of the year review deadline will have passed by then. I think I would not be so bummed about all of this if I could find the time now to write and send it. It is practically tradition by now. I am going to skip What we are Watching for a few weeks, in order to study some more instead. I can only watch one episode of Shopping King Louie every week anyway, so I prefer to give a review of the last few episodes when things are a bit calmer.

Slow and steady wins the race!โค๏ธ

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Itโ€™s great to see you here, though sorry that itโ€™s been a bit of a moment for you. Slow and steady does win the race, and props for everything youโ€™ve done will since youโ€™ve started - youโ€™re resilient and Iโ€™m sure youโ€™re doing a great job. Hang in there!

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Thank you for the encouragement!๐Ÿค—

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slow and steady indeed does it. A 'calming balm' is what you need. Try bottling lavender or ginger or both, with rosemary, and sniff. the sniffing is the relaxing part. Breath in, breath out. Yes, relax time during the holiday break. turtles win races in my books.

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Thank you for your advice! :)

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After years of being askedโ€” I AM FINALLY ON DISCORD

... Thatโ€™s all I have to say ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜

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So my mom tested covid positive and now she is in home isolation and all of us are running around trying to get work done. It's been very tiring with online classes and other things going on. Here is to hoping I can relax in two weeks.

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I hope for her speedy recovery! I hope you and the rest of your family are also okay, and please take care of yourself (I'm passing on the kind advice from other Beanies).

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Hope your mother recovers Rapidly and completely without Any ill effects!

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Hi Beanies! I haven't been here for quite a while, but I want to wish you all a happy weekend!

Remember when my flight home got cancelled? Well it's been more than two weeks that I'm all alone in our apartment and quite enjoying it. It's ironic that I have my flight coming up next week and I feel a twinge of regret about leaving the solitude behind (I know it will change once I actually get home and see my family haha).

Also the new role has been okay so far, though I can't help myself from putting in extra effort since the imposter syndrome has been eating me for quite a while (well, ever since I started) but my bosses keep telling me that it's nonsense because they wouldn't put me in such a position if they didn't believe in me. I know that should be a comforting thought, but why is it that I only feel pressure? lol. I'm just being too hard on myself, aren't I?

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Your bosses are right and theyโ€™re telling you the truth. Best of luck in banishing the imposter syndrome, itโ€™s a stinker.

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Thank you for the kind words of support! Honestly I just jumped right into the new role and no longer have the time to overthink, so there's that. ๐Ÿ˜…

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I know I should finally install an ad blocker but is there any site that doesn't open up several ads at one click. I instantly want to close dramac*ool and fastdr*ama as soon as I open them.

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i use chrome with AdBlock, AdBlock Plus and Ghostery. i can use the d----cool site without nastygrams and naked body popups.

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FYI @ayalynn123, and other Dong Ha Suspicious Partner fans.
Finally Dong Ha is back on the small screen after completing his military service.
He is part of the cast of KBS's S/S HOMEMADE LOVE STORY.
He appeared in the Dec. 10, 2020 episode of 2020 KBS DRAMA SPECIAL entitled: WHILE YOU'RE AWAY.
Both dramas are available on Viki and Kocowa.

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Thank you @marcusnyc20!
Yes, I have been watching Homemade Love story from the beginning (I do a lot of fast-forwarding, haha). He doesn't show up so much but his scenes are great!

While you're away was a little disappointment for me, since it seemed like Kim Bo-ra was focused and the story wasn't that new... Oh well, I am so happy that he is back regardless!

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