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Lovestruck in the City: Episodes 8-9 Open Thread

Just when I was getting tired of our characters’ lollygagging, the show finally decided to pick up. One side of the main couple has reached his breaking point, while the other side isn’t too far off. And with all the pent-up emotions between them, their collision promises to be a messy one.

 
EPISODES 8-9 WEECAP

Why did I think the last episode’s cliffhanger was real? No, of course it wasn’t real. Jae-won goes for his blackbox, thinking he’s finally about to reveal his long-lost lover’s face, but Kyung-joon recently removed the memory card. The universe is trying to make Jae-won go insane, isn’t it?

Jae-won and Eun-oh have an indirect argument through their interviews, him saying he needs closure and her saying she already ended things cleanly. Um, except, you kind of didn’t, Eun-oh. Ending things over the phone, and leaving him with a pile of lies, is anything but a clean break-up.

With everyone thinking Jae-won is going crazy, Jae-won starts to believe it himself. He even goes to a hospital wanting to get his mental state evaluated. There, he runs into a doctor who’s an old friend, and he asks for advice (lying that it’s Kyung-joon who’s dealing with the hallucinations).

Jae-won reveals (to us) that the one other time he saw Sun-ah was in a dream — she was standing outside the bar he was in. But Eun-oh says in her interview that it wasn’t a dream, and that they really did meet that day last winter. Seeing him pass out drunk, she joined him at his table, noting the ring on his finger. She touched his ring, inadvertently waking him up. Naturally, seeing her, he assumed that he missed her so much that he was seeing her in his dreams.

The teary-eyed Eun-oh used this opportunity to talk to him freely, saying that their wedding was just a joke and that he should forget her. But he started to cry and answered that it wasn’t a joke to him. He continued that he was slowly dying on the inside, making her break into sobs. Augh, this scene… I hate that the hero has to be drunk, but it’s such an open and vulnerable confrontation. And it’s only now that I’m reminded of why I love Ji Chang-wook and Kim Ji-won so much.

Later, Eun-oh figures it’s about time she returns Jae-won’s cameras. But once outside the police station, she chickens out and wanders over to her and Jae-won’s planned meeting spot at the Cheonggyecheon stream.

AHH, AND JAE-WON’S THERE. He sees her and chases after her, and THANK THE DRAMA LORDS, he catches her. However, officer Minho witnesses the scene as well, and he arrests Eun-oh for stealing the cameras.

We finally have the couple together, but then the drama flashes back to three days ago. Director-nim asked his subjects about running into their exes, and we learn that Sun-young and Geon saw each other recently. They got drunk and yelled at each other, and — ugh, come on, Show, just take us back to present day!

Once we’re back to the present, the couple is at the police station. Jae-won tries to insist that he didn’t actually want to press charges against Sun-ah, but the police remind him that he reported her multiple times. Eun-oh, wanting to keep her identity hidden, lies that Jae-won gave her the cameras and asks to be let go.

Even so, the police can’t send her off without leaving a record; they need to see her identification. To Eun-oh’s horror, Jae-won grabs her ID first and is completely stunned to see a different name. It dawns on him that she’d been lying to him, and he yells at her while she can only stand there.

It’s not until Jae-won storms out that Eun-oh snaps out of it and follows him. He leaves in his car, ignoring the sight of her running after him. He only stops when she nearly runs into a motorcycle, to check if she’s okay. And this is when everything blows up, when he unleashes all of his emotions on her.

Eun-oh can’t explain herself, so Jae-won ends up breaking his cameras and throwing his wedding ring into the stream. They part just like that, Eun-oh left by the river crying and narrating that she merely wanted to keep the “dazzling Sun-ah” in his memories. At home, Jae-won recalls these memories — only now, they seem fake.

Into the night, Eun-oh is searching the stream for Jae-won’s ring and is ecstatic when she finally finds it. Around her neck, we see that she’s wearing her own ring on a necklace. Much later, Jae-won shows up to look for his ring and is frustrated when he can’t find it.

Jae-won’s always been contradicting himself, but it’s nice to see that Eun-oh has been doing the same. She seemed so small and scared when she got caught, and though I felt bad for her, she had comin’. Over the course of a year, she’s only been hurting Jae-won and herself. Running away from something broken when she should’ve been fixing it.

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I really hope these two won’t end up together, although it’s obvious they will.

The bar scene was so heartbreaking (JCW was so good here) and it was even more heartbreaking knowing it took place months ago and even so EunOh didn’t do anything to help JaeWon. He was so right to tell her: everything was real for me. She’s been really a bad and selfish person, only thinking about herself and not about the mess she left behind protecting herself thinking she ended up things clearly. Well, it should be her the one consulting a psychiatrist. Because the minute she is caught in a lie it’s she the one who runs for JaeWon and wants to talk to him... hey, if you had been so clear about that break up, why do you need to talk to him? I don’t think drama will ever get me to understand her even when the Big Revelation comes to light.

I liked two things about these two episodes: the fact that JaeWon realised he needed help to understand what he was going through (although the drama instead of going there in a serious way decided other thing), and the fact that his relation with alcohol is treated as something negative. The man is becoming an alcoholic, and that’s why his cousin took away all the alcohol from his house and office. I think this is the first time that I see this subtle treatment of consuming alcohol as something bad.

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This feels like it's definitely headed back into typical K-drama territory. They have plenty of episodes left to patch everything up (except the shattered cameras).

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Well said, I only have one thing to add. If(not if when) they do end up back together I hope they do it in a way that is actually healing for Jae Won because she really did him dirty in that bar scene. She went from mildly selfish to cruel there.

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Oh i posted my comment before reading yours but i totally agree with the alcohol issue. So great to see a drama finally saying hey you're drinking too much dude!

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Agree all round! It’s going a pretty hard sell that she had a reason for everything she’s done.

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I was happy they talked about him recognizing he needed help to move on -the possible hallucinations of SA-and KJ talking about his alcohol problem but then it all transformed in a comedy skit with KJ dismissing his feelings as 'him being crazy' and telling his gf infront of JW and then the doctor friend getting drunk in broad light... making JW babysit him and not giving him confidence to actually go back to that hospital... Hope they treat EO's likely mythomania more seriously

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Thank you, @sailorjumun, for the recap! So Eun-oh still loves Jae-won. I'm still trying to understand her actions, specially when she went back to find his ring in the pond. And Sun-young is really a toxic person to be with, poor Gon!

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Jae-won is kinda a fool for me because how the way he fell in love like this but he doesn't deserve all this pain.

For me, there is no reason/justification/excuse for what Eun-oh did to him. She lies everytime just for her own confort. She knows what she did was wrong but she never assumed her acts. Even in front of the Police, she couldn't be honest.

I'm already pissed of by the fact that Jae-won will forgive her...

Soo-Young's obsession about Kang Geon's best friends are boring... It's her own insecurity the issue not them...

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I really hate when a man/woman is obsessed by the friends of his/her couple, whether they are the same gender or other. Jealousy is only, as you point out, insecurity. All these toxic people should visit a doctor.

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The gifts too... A gift is a gift. You can't take them back except like familial ring etc.

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I liked her at first but then they revealed her breakup habits (the beating and taking back gifts) and the insecurity and nahh she ain’t cool anymore.

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The actress is great though.

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She was so great being cute in Be Melodramatic to convince the actor to use PPL in a shooting xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxFGcRCRiSQ

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Oh yeah i still like the actress. She was great in Be Melo. The scene @kurama posted was what made me check out the drama 😁

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I love Be Melo.

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I just happened to see that episode (currently halting the drama until it goes somewhere with the main lead story). felt the same too, it was uncalled for and childish. she's not cool, she is just spoiled.

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After all that yelling and even throwing those cameras to the ground (gasp! Those Leicas!), I finally thought Jae-won would have finally come to his senses, but no... he came back and looked for the ring (and looked like his character in Healer 🤭). Whyy on earth???

EunOh lied without blinking an eye when she said he gave those cameras to her. I don't know why writer truly wrote her as a terrible woman and Sun-young too. I love how Rin-i lectured her ex-boyfriend who ghosted her.

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Score one for Rin-i. But I think the scene was also there to remind us of the damage that Eun-oh did with her ghosting of Jae-won.

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I felt so bad for the cameras... THEY DID NOTHING WRONG.

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I recently took up photography as a hobby when that bag hit the ground, it was the sound of my heart shattering along with those cameras that I heard.

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Episode 9 left me wondering if all Seoul residents keep a pair of fishing waders in their closet.

Will we ever know why Eun-oh left Seoul and became Sun-ah?

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At this point, I don’t care, really.

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I do. I need something to keep this from being a waste of time.

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small revelation in eps10.
justifiable but at the same time feels like a lazy writing.

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I don’t think this turns up to be a Dazzling revelation or something like that.

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Me neither. Especially with KJW’s expressions, I don’t have the feeling that something deep and subtle is lurking underneath.

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Agree with your point. Judging by the character graph so far, it's hard to believe there will be a logical and deep reasoning behind her actions. Although a tiny part of me is hoping for a reasonable explanation for all the mess she created.

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I don’t know but now i really wanna play in that river. It’s my favorite one in Seoul though I don’t know any others apart from Hangang 🤣

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There's a similar river crossing in Matrimonial Chaos and I want to walk across both of them.

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Yes, the first time I saw it I thought it was the same one, but then I realised it’s not exactly the same place (the stairs to the steps were higher in MC).

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Maybe it’s just different spots since Cheonggyecheon is really long and runs across the city.

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We will only see that if the writer thinks it is critical to creating sympathy for her.

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It is for me.

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Eun Oh comes across as a compulsive liar to me. She needs a psychiatrist. The only explanation I'd accept is that she ran away from psychiatry ward.

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is the title of the drama lovestruck in the city or toxic couple in the city? lol.

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I wonder what KJW was thinking when she selected this character. We as viewers are shown more than what Jae Won know, but still I don't have answers for the questions he asked Eun ho. Esp why she agreed for all things if she was planning to disappear? And Why did she have to appear again when he is drunk?? No matter how whiny and pathetic he might be, it's too cruel a thing to do. She saw how, her out of the blue breakup affected him and how traumatized he was yet all she has to say was sorry. And according to the episode this happened a while ago and still she doesn't find it necessary to explain?And it's even more bad that he thinks it was his dream. What big reason did she have, to go this extent to dump him? And the part where the police handcuffed her ?? Call me evil but it felt so satisfying.
And again the confrontation scenes in the station. It was a bit frustrating to watch him defending her when she clearly doesn't deserve it. And finally when she said "you gave them to me then why are you calling me a thief" I face palmed myself. But I was happy to see that atleast know he knows she is not who he thought. I mean I know I wont be able to handle one more miss. It He still doesn't know the fact that she is friends with his cousin and gf. How is he gonna handle that revelation??

It baffles me that even during and after the confrontation all she did was stand there crying listening to his angry words. Now her secret is out and still she thinks she shouldn't explain. Or am I expecting too much when I think that may be she might have some other reason apart from what we already know? And Will it be reasonable enough to take all the dislike I have for the character?? I guess not.

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From the history of me watching kdramas, the only reason I could come up with is that Eun-oh is terminally ill (like Charlie Theron’s character in Sweet November) and she doesn’t want Jaewon to know. But still, I felt irritated with how she acts, the way she doesn’t speak when she is supposed to, with those eyes wide open, full of anxiety. It is frustrating to watch.

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That’s the only possible terrible trope that would work here.

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She said she hated herself... I don't think she's ill.

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@ Kurama: yes I remember that. And I don’t think she is ill either. It’s just that her reason so far doesn’t make sense. I would understand if she was a teenager. But she is much older than that, and much less naive than that.

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I get that there are people like Eun-oh who hate themselves so much that they don’t want others to find out who they are. But then I’ll need some context, because I think people like that are usually from family or past relationships where they weren’t loved, or for some reason they didn’t feel that they were loved, where they were constantly belittled and ignored. That’s when they really need someone to love them for who they are so that they can learn to love themselves again.

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It's implied the catalyst behind all this is her career and being too timid.

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Tbh, if she was terminally ill all I would think is "karma is a witch" and still hate her for selfish and dumb.

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So he cant handle it but all her friends can? They dont talk about it or treat her different and there hasnt been any scenes where she has displayed signs of being under the weather. Also even if that was the case she could have told him after the 1 night stand and given him the choice. She wouldnt have risked much emotionally as she was playing it so coldly anyway.
Still it could be right because one thing we have all learned is that Kdramas dont make sense and its usually because the writing is crap or they think their illogical twists are masquerading as good writing.

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Maybe she doesn’t mind her friends knowing all about her but there are certain sides of her she doesn’t want her boyfriend to know? Still, it is very silly and shallow. I am not sure if it’s because of the writing or because the writer purposely created a female lead like that. I would be surprised if it is the latter.

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This! I mean what could have she have done, or what could she have been before that was sooo bad when she still had friends to come back to? And Geon just said she seemed different when she came back from vacation. No really drastic change so the woman is just plain terrible.

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Shallowly, there are people IRL who don’t want to be too intimate with someone else, like a boyfriend or a husband, they just want to show their dazzling sides, which may pop up in certain situations like a vacation on the beach with newly met friends, and then they like the idea that they are loved. They don’t want the whole them to be exposed to the other one. Like someone said earlier, true love needs courage. What Eun-oh did was reckless, not courageous. Maybe she just doesn’t want Jae-won to know and think that apart from that dazzling side at the beach, she doesn’t have much more to offer? Seriously, Eun-oh needs to learn her selfworth and face things like an adult. Otherwise, she looks to me like someone who chooses to stay in their own shell, wandering at times to catch men and then retreats to the shell, fantasizing about being in a relationship.

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Although the chances of this trope is very low, this would have been logical !!!

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If I understood right earlier episodes she said she didn’t meet him when she found out that he was cousins with Rin I’s bf. She didn’t want her fake identity to be busted so she decided to break up.

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"And the part where the police handcuffed her? Call me evil but it felt so satisfying."
SAME.

Uhm, I think this episode we saw the actual reason behind the break up. And even if it's not, I don't think I care.
Nothing justifies what she did and is doing to Jae Won.

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Gosh i was getting tired of Jae Won too n was so happy when he firmly decided to move on. Of course Seon A had to appear at that exact moment to burst my bubble. I think this was the first time I didn’t want the leads to reunite in a kdrama 😅
anyway apart fr all the lovelines I’m really pleased the drama acknowledged JW drinking as a problem and showed his cousin taking steps to address the issue. As a non-drinker i’m always blown away by the incessant drinking portrayed in kdramas but i don’t know if it’s actually normal to drink that much? It can’t be healthy to end up dead drunk and blacking out what you do so often.

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I’m Spanish and I think we have a bar every two doorsteps in my country, and social drinking is common, and when I meet my friends I usually drink one or two or three beers. In the summer i have my meals with wine or beer. My point is: I’m pretty used to drink and people drinking around me.
Having said that: it always amazes me how carelessly drinking is portrayed in dramas, and how it is normal to be forced to drink, specially with coworkers. Dramas just reflect society and what dramas tell me is that society doesn’t think drinking is a problem. No wonder we had almost a liver transplant patient on Hospital Playlist every episode 🤦🏼‍♀️

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I'm a non-drinker too, but I find very normal the 'incessant drinking portrayed in kdramas', since in my country is pretty much the same (or worse: kids drink too).

The only thing that I always find surprising is leaving a drunk person alone in the streets at night. They always do that in dramas and it really bothers me.

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That's not just a drama thing. I lived in Korea for 6 years and came across many a passed out salary on a bench or on the sidewalk. People just ignore them and only call the police if they are being disruptive or dangerous. If the police run across them they will just wake them up and try to get them to go home.

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Can confirm this is true, I've seen it too.

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"The only thing that I always find surprising is leaving a drunk person alone in the streets at night. They always do that in dramas and it really bothers me."

Exactly, and some writers are so bad they actually is a good romantic thing, but you have to run off and look for a suit to put on and then viewers find it precious! HA

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Yup you should have to be worried who knows that someone else might recognise the person's name and decide to follow them all the way home. But then said someone just have to say I want her it's unfair and then viewers find it precious when that someone follows them on purpose later a second time to a restaurant to confess their feelings while uh mixing noodles. 🤣
No seriously all dramas should doing that in general. No reason for following someone without their knowledge is okay irl.

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Just something that really bothers me too 😉

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Continue to be baffled as to why I'm watching this drama, although I'm grateful for the re-cap so we can share our reactions. Agree that it is a good thing (a first?) to acknowledge that the male lead needs help with his drinking and depression. Too bad his therapist has an even worse case of both, so ML won't get the help he desperately needs.
The drama is a well-produced package, with lovely beach scenes, adequate dialogue and some interesting fourth-wall breaking moments. However, speaking honestly to the camera is no replacement for real communication between characters.
Sadly, when we pull back from the production values, we can see that all the male characters are written as good guys, loyal, trustworthy and true. All the female characters are written as some form of crazy: liars, thieves or violent screamers. Even Rin-yi, the most "sane" woman, breaks up a couple because she wants to exact revenge on an ex-boyfriend. One of the golden rules of story telling/writing is to have at least one character the audience cares about and frankly, dear writer nim, I don't give a damn about anyone.

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I cannot root for any couple except the long term one in this drama. Eun Oh and Jae Won do not need to be together in my opinion. We are more than halfway through this drama and if we had spent less time on flashbacks and more on pushing the story forward I don't think I would feel that way, but here we are. I am tired of the flashbacks that are supposed to convince us that their love was so strong to justify all this mess that is happening in the present day.

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I agree with you about what has become too many flashbacks. I think that the idea is to convince us that this love was so destined to be that it will happen no matter what. But it does not make sense.

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So Eun-oh kept the ring- and now has retrieved his. Sigh.

It was so satisfying seeing him scream at her and then leave. When he came back to look for his ring I was distraught. I know that he tried to protect her at the police station- I could accept that as lingering feelings. But really it is time to be done. But the idea seems to be that what he once felt for Eun-oh was so powerful that he cannot let it go- so he is being set up for a happy ending whether he should want it or not (I say not).

The symbolism of the rings is undeniable. Originally- when he bought them- Jae-won had both rings. Now Eun-oh has both rings in her care: It is really up to her.

Remember that Eun-oh 'became' Sun-ah because she did not like herself- a self that lived in fear. As Sun-ah she was fearless- trying new things and being carefree. She thought she was living courageously but she was not. Because courage is not the absence of fear- that is just recklessness which leads to disaster (which it did in our story- she is unhappy and Jae-won is a pathetic mess). Courage is doing what needs to be done even though you are afraid to do it..

Real love requires courage- this may be the whole point to this drama. IF Eun-oh really still wants to be with Jae-won- and that is the meaning of her wearing that ring around her neck- then she must face her fear and go do something about it. She must finally truly live courageously and take steps to rebuild the bridge of trust so that they can once again wear those rings for real.

I am waiting for the writer to make the final chapters convincing and natural. It will be a tough sell.

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This drama is way more nuanced than it's given credit for and the writer(s) is trying to be divisive or at least provocative. The major drawback here is the 30-minute format and the odd airing times. Dividing the episodes this way does the show no favors and prevents a natural flow from occurring. As of now, I have no desire to re-watch this drama but I think it will be a much better watch after completion because several things will make sense. The audience will be able to focus on the subtleties.

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I agree that the way this show has been sliced up- there is no other way to say it- has been a disservice to everyone.

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I actually think the 30-minute format is an asset because it keeps things tight (imagine all the potential for makjang and filler with a 1-hour runtime).

The odd airing times though? Definitely annoying and a drawback.

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My thoughts are that the rest of the episode would be fleshed out with stories from the other characters.

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I agree, but the thing is, what is Eun Oh so afraid about? And why does it seem like her friends are clueless about what happened to her? If she really is this damaged character she seemed to be, her friends would have alluded to it by now, right?

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They already have, sorta - Geon referred to Eun-oh running away for some months and coming back 'different'. It's just that this drama tends to wait a while before handing out pertinent info (like 6 eps before we even find out Eun-oh, Rin-yi and Geon have been bffs since childhood and EO and Geon live together).

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Something had happened to her- but as of these episodes it has not been revealed yet. No spoilers so I say no more.

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At first I thought it was just a drama with shitty scripts (JCW can't catch a break, can he?). Then it turns out, not a great but okay drama. Couple reunion trope will be the end of me. Ha ha
Still don't understand her. Say what you've got to say girl! You must find & fix the bug first like Dosan said. Sometimes I dont understand reasons behind why couple can't be together in dramas. But I guess it is needed for the plot to move or whatever.

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Eunho said: "Just in front of him, I wanted to remain as the dazziling girl Yoon Seon Ah. But Jae Won now found out that I'm not such a dazzling person".
And I totally get that she was trying to save a part of herself, and I would respect that if it made sense (and didn't destroyed another persons life in the process).
She knows she wasn't going to be able to protect the name 'Yoon Seon Ah' forever. They have almost the same freaking social circle, that was going to blow up sooner or later.

Besides, that bar scene... (*applause to JCW for being such a great actor*, I almost cry with him). I mean what kind of selfish napunnyeong you have to be to see "the guy you love" (allegedly) in his lowest (BECAUSE OF YOU) and do nothing to help him?
She knew he wasn't going to move on until she did something. She was always there when her friends talked about how sad he was. And she was there in that bar to see it with her own eyes... but she did nothing. No answers, no explanations, no apologies, no alarms, no surprises, nothing.

God, I kinda hate the guy and I wanted to help him! So why, just for once, couldn't she love him a little more than herself and help him get out of the void?

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I don’t think Eun-oh actually loves either herself or Jae-won. She just likes the idea of love. Besides, she is neither smart nor sensitive about others’ feelings, because she is like a snail knowing nothing more than its own shell. No matter how hard it is for her to come out of that shell, she has to do it herself before someone else’s love can help her.

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Yeah, she said that she didn't like herself. But I believe that she really loved that part of her that she calls 'Yoon Seon Ah', and that's why she feels that she has to protect that name and the memories she made with him.
About Jae won... maybe she loved that he loved her, Idk. But my point is that, at least for respect, she could've let 'Yoon Seon Ah' go and help that guy in the bar.

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The writer makes her not liking herself as a huge deal yet what? All her friends know her as her.
How can you hate yourself and be embarrased of yourself and have all your friends know who you really are but some random guy on a beach cant find out?????
None of the rational makes sense and because its a Kdrama we know it will never make since because its all just manufactured BS.

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We barely know her name and new job. So we have no reasons to feel simpathy for her or understand the whole "I hate myself so you have to understand why I'm a freaking selfish witch".

Villians in other shows have a better background, personality and character development than this girl (than this whole drama, actually).

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Keep in mind this drama doesn't hand out major info right away, it doles it out piecemeal eg the three childhood bffs knowing each other for that long didn't get disclosed till several weeks in.

Her friends know her as "her", but her Yoon Seon-ah personality was a different side of her that she perhaps never felt confident being (screwed up, I know, but makes sense). I actually get her thought process way better than the average kdrama "hardworking and never complains" Candy types - there has to be something wrong there, and in this case there is!

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So I started watching this show as a JCW hate watch ‘cause I was jealous of all the “Healer” stans (like pal @shichybot🤭) gushing over JCW. Even though his gross hair partition makes him look like Nick Carter from the Backstreet Boys (https://twitter.com/ltung23/status/1350108104051093504?s=20). #hate

But somehow, I kinda like this show for the dumbest reasons ever haha:

1) The question “Why Did Eunoh Do It?” is making LitC feel like a Sherlock Holmes adaptation for me.🤣 Yes, it’s annoying show still hasn’t revealed why yet and may never, but searching for clues and theories has been oddly fun. Some current working theories:

-Eunoh, homicidal beach serial killer who was gonna kill Jaewon for money and his camper but fell … for his hot bod and hair partition? This was was mentioned in previous weecaps.
-Eunoh, like Jisoo in “A Piece of Your Mind,” finds out how Jaewon’s mom died and wants to tell him but can’t and has to RUN EUNOH RUN AWAY?
-Eunoh, secretly in love with Geon, was caught in near kiss with him by Sunyoung, felt guilty and used Jaewon as a rebound/fling? This is the boring kdrama theory, but the way Eunoh chased Geon around their apartment over a MISSED CALL was a bit sketch.
-Eunoh, a horrible, horrible woman … in massive debt ‘cause she stole money from her prior marketing firm and now has to start her own? The cameras are a way for her to pay off her debt and the fixed costs for O3 Marketing.
-And my favorite new related one: Eunoh, a woman in debt contacts her documentary friend to make a docu of her life love life for money, but this seventh new friend actually brings the OTP back together? The docu director is definitely a friend of all 6; this will be the biggest reveal of the show. ‘Cause why the heck would all 6 of these people be so open to a stranger? And that weird Jaewon bridge scene from Ep9. Dr. Watson, what does this all mean?!? (hahaha.)

It’s sad (and awesome) how show is so poorly and vaguely written that all of the above could actually make sense haha. I call this show “LitC, Mystery Theater” now.

2) The real reason why I watched this show is cause director Park Shinwoo is amazing. When DB gave him Best Directing for PBIO this year, I weeped😭 (and liked how DB politically pleased all kdrama fanbases but I digress haha). In PBIO, while most viewers complained how Nurse Park literally survived, stans marveled at how Nurse Park was an ALLEGORY to mental trauma that the main cast suffered with. The way Nurse Park seemingly resurrected was not important, but visually showing the trio conquer their demon was.

So what if director-nim is just obsessed with allegories and is doing the same here in LitC? But instead, LitC is the Animal Farm for modern dating (hahaha, yes, I’m aware I’m a psycho, but it’s okay)? Here are some of my crackpot LitC allegories:

-Expensive cameras -> Jaewon’s heart. I start with this one ‘cause it’s obvious as Eunoh stole it, secretly cherished it (bish!), and then Jaewon...

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... violently BROKE his own heart in Ep9.
-2 months at the beach -> honeymoon period for ALL real-world couples, when they have a blast while not even truly knowing each other. The way the Yanyang beach scenes are shot feel like a dream.
-Eunoh’s fake identity -> how real-world couples are typically fake with each other in the first few months of dating to impress each other OR online dating app profiles filled with lies.
-Seoul -> the scary reality that ALL real-world couples face when they have to reveal to each other their weaknesses and insecurities and have to incorporate their loved ones into their relationship. This causes many couples to break-up like in the show or …
-Eunoh’s crappy voicemail -> GHOSTING practiced by modern online daters. If you bashed Eunoh’s cold call on DB, you probably just dated yourself as 30+ and never been ghosted (myself included haha) and should talk to some people 20+ that are ghosted once/month it seems. It’s a scary digital world out there.
-Jaewon’s desire to marry quickly -> Korean blind dating scene in which marriages often occur after a few measly dates as if they are something on the todo list for busy professionals.
-Jaewon being imprisoned/handcuffed -> modern daters who are trapped into thinking that love and marriage are the answers to their problems OR trapped in their resentment for being ghosted.
-The colorful beach restaurant and the matchmaking game played there -> colorful dating apps on our smartphones and their dumb filters meant to “find the one.”

I could actually go on, but they get more psycho haha. To sum, I can’t believe I like this crackpot show aaahhh helppp!!!

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I kind of like it but I don't like Eun-oh at all yet. Let's go with this allegory since it means I haven't wasted my time.

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Hahaha! Healer was the last drama of JCW's I gushed over and I've moved on after seeing JCW's ID (filmography of the terrible dramas of his that followed).

The reasons I'm still watching are: 1) I feel like those people standing on the sidelines of an accident--it's terrible but you can't look away. lol, and 2) because of my kdrama bestie who's so invested in it. I'm here for the ride with you, like Kyung-joon is there for Jae-won. I wish I could hide the liquor for myself too ;)

For all that you've mentioned about ONLINE dating, there's not much happening of that on the show, although I see Eun Oh already got herself a phone. Seriously, none of them must be following each other on SNS, otherwise JCW would have already found her much sooner.

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Please show me how to move on from JCW 😭. I just can’t. I watched Healer first, then tried K2 because of the mixed comments, some really like it, some hate it. I fell into the latter category. But I watched it anyway because of JCW and Song Yoona, fast fordwarding a lot of scenes. After that I watched Suspicious partner, and did not like it the first time. But I watched it again (of course because of JCW) and it is now in my top 10 most fav dramas 😄 I did appreciate NJH much more the second time. My attempts for Melting and Backstreet failed, not unexpectedly. But I caught glimpses of JCW in Melting 😅. I usually don’t watch sageuk but I watched Empress Ki anyway, then dramathoned Smile Dong Hae. Now I am here, feeling so miserable because of Lovestruck. Honestly for some reason I didn’t have my hopes high in the first place. But still, it’s hard to accept that JCW again has another not so great drama after the other two that-must-not-be-named ☹️.

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like i said above, if we *try* to look at the show as a parody/allegory/comedy, it's actually solid! and the weaker side of the writing is on the female side, not on the male/JCW side. in my humble opinion, i actually find JCW to be HILARIOUS, his back-and-forth between rage and puppy dog forgiveness for eunoh. so chin up @claire2009!

but his hair partition ... i'm sorry. so, so sorry. i feel your pain.

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right on my love. the greatest plothole for this allegedly "modern" drama is that jaewon never accidentally caught seona/eunoh on his cousin's insta?!?! what the?!?! perhaps kyungjoon only has a rare furniture/bunny ear insta?

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Thanks for several big laughs. Liking the serial killer trope although the shaman add-on was an interesting spice. You've opened my eyes to enjoying weak dramas: just throw everything into a bowl and make a drama salad! Hmmm...., Eunho is a double agent with amnesia who had to get out of Dodge because there was a price on her head. BUT, she can't remember why. This could be a fun new DB game.

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hahaha, it's amazing how we're on ep11 and your "double agent" joke theory still can apply! she went to busan to kill her "ex-bf" who is actually her next target, but got amnesia through a nasty fall during the fight. after the government locked her away in yanyang and she fell in love with jaewon, she slowly starts to regain her memories and is forced by the government to "ghost" jaewon to protect him. but in a kdrama ironic twist, the "target" is actually jaewon's client! now agent 03 must kill again ..... WHAT A SHOW!!! haha.

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Next level, as only you can do. Oops, I forgot to watch Lovesick yesterday. Let's see if your plot holds up :)!

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🤣 at the theories. My personal theory - she’s been cursed by a shaman and must break up with him and never tell him why or BE DOOMED.

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Or she could be a spy working for NoKor hahaha. She's just waiting to be activated anytime now so she can't have any romantic relationships. That's why changing identities is so easy for her! :) Wait, I think this is a plot of a KimSooHyun movie. lol.

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What movie is it? I want to watch 😅😁

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I think the title is Secretly, Greatly :) I didn't watch because movie has mixed reviews but if you're watching only for KSH and nothing else, you might find it enjoyable.

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@ shichybot: Thanks!! I haven’t watched Secretly Greatly but heard that KSH dressed as his character in Secretly Greatly when appearing as cameo in Crashlanding On You.

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north korea ... hmmm ... *thinks way too deeply about this*. above, i say that she is a south korean spy who has amnesia during her fight with her "ex-bf" in busan (who is actually the north korean spy). but if eunoh is a north korean spy, this would make the "no smartphone" thing make sense as north koreans use landlines (hahaha). i'll ponder and get back to you on this! ;)

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hahaha, eunoh's not "a horrible, horrible woman," but a "cursed, cursed woman." the curse is: the next person she loves ... WILL DIE FROM A TRUCK OF DOOM. that's why she keeps running away from jaewon randomly, to protect him.

it's ep11 and your theory applies!!! WHAT. A. SHOW.

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The thing I don’t like about Eun-oh is that she is not owning up her mistake. A cryptic phone call and telling everyone to think her as a bad woman does not absolve her from her lies and cruelty.
When you tell someone to blame everything on you or think yourself as bad person, it means anything but that. It means that you don’t want to find solution to issue and just want to get out of situation or run away.

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Agreed! I find her shallow and bland. I feel bad for her but cannot like her.

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I don't think self-loathing to that extent makes for a "shallow" character, as for "bland", well..... everyone in these threads seems to have very strong opinions on her. That's not really a hallmark of characters who are actually dull/bland. Just saying.

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I didn’t say I find her shallow because she hates herself/her life. I find the way she deals with things shallow. That’s what makes a character unlikable to me.

And for the “bland”, I meant her indifference towards Jae-won’s broken heart.

If she didn’t want to commit, she should have let Jae-won know in the first place. They could still have had fun together.

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A moment of repentance is due on my part. I was one of the harsher critics of Jae-Won initially. I do think most of my criticism is valid and still stands; however, I think more grace is necessary now. Everyone has "something" that gets under their skin and they can't let go. Sometimes, we manage those things well, other times we don't.

For Jae-Won, it was his fantasy woman. He wants answers and feels he needs closure. Now, his "something" has become a near obsession. That feeling has been exacerbated by an individual who lingers around the fringes of his world. She knowingly hangs out with his close cousin and associates. She frequents the same places he does. He feels like he's going crazy because of all these near encounters.

That said, we don't know much about the state of Jae-Won's life prior to the vacation. We can surmise, like Eun-Oh, he was in a very low point. He was looking for answers, enough so that he took a month off work to be alone. Both of these people were broken and unfulfilled.

Finally, we all read or watch dramas about the couple that separated through tragedy and one party returns to same spot for decades waiting for their true love to return. We've ooh'd and aah'd over those stories and romanticized what a love like that would be like. I'd argue it's why we watch dramas to some extent. Lovestruck is showing us what that degree of devotion looks like. It's not pretty and probably a bit pathetic. But you don't get to that point without some ugliness along the way.

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You make some very valid points.

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"She knowingly hangs out with his close cousin and associates."

I mean, Rin-yi and Geon are Eon-oh's childhood best friends, and Kyung-joon is Rin-yi's longtime boyfriend who is also her friend. If anything, I think it would make her an even worse person if she froze out her friends of more than two decades over a guy!

She ghosted him, that's reason enough to be super hung up on him because he has no answers and no way to get any about something that meant a lot to him (and also to her, even if she remains in self-denial about it and her self-loathing is so strong that she'd rather destroy their relationship deliberately than risk him seeing the 'real' her).

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sorry that should read 'super hung up on HER'.

Anyway my point still stands - she'd be a bad friend if she ditched her friends for being connected to Jae-won, or stopped hanging out with Rin-yi and Kyung-joon because of it. That's just not a reasonable expectation, yes, she's wronged him in many ways but this isn't one of them. In an ideal world she'd come clean to them but this clearly isn't it.

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Please let me clarify. I totally agree with you she definitely shouldn't end her friendships over some fling. What I meant is that she had the ability and access to contact Jae Won and she refused to do so. Eun Oh is well aware of Jae Won's proximity to her friend circle and still she didn't attempt to reach out instead she preferred keeping tabs on him through shared connections.

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Why is it so hard for the show to give us a hint about what evil sin she had committed that going through a year of hell with her and him was better than him finding out?
The writer could have had us guessing at things that wouldnt be right but at least we would have something to try and guess what she might be doing.
Without it she just seems a crazy woman and as close to his cousin its almost impossible to believe he wouldnt have all of them by now as they do quite a bit of stuff together whereas the ML just sits alone and drinks for a year?? Why wouldnt his cousin get him up and out with his friends to help get him thinking about something else but the FL all this time??

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I mean, some hints were dropped that whatever made her run away to Yangyang in the first place was pretty bad, her friends noticed she disappeared and came back "different", and I think we'll get an answer to that soon enough, it's not the loose end it looks like.

Also as for the social circle thing - it's easy to see why they haven't met. Eun-oh and Kyung-joon are friends through Rin-yi, yeah he's close to her but how many of us bring our siblings/close cousins into our personal friend circle even irl? I know I don't. Plus Kyung-joon and the three school friends are a bit younger than Jae-won, it makes sense they wouldn't really know each other or that KJ wouldn't consider Jae-won a viable addition to their circle.

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Kyung Joon invited Jae Won over to the apartment the night Jae Won first spotted Eun Oh. It's why Jae Won was in the neighborhood so we know the cousins hang out in similar friend circles.

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One would think that Hallyuwood's done with misogynistic screenplays. Aesthetics/production value aside, this series is nothing, but just another excuse to depict women as conniving, deceptive, damaged, abusive and damaging and no other episodes have drummed it home than episode 9. There's no other way to save this except to reveal that Eun Oh is a sociopath with a disassociative identity disorder because how else can her actions and behaviour be explained right up to the point where she throws the man she allegedly loves under the bus by waiving her Miranda rights only to lie to the cops about the cameras being a gift. Without a second thought.
One can't justify her actions without realizing that one might need professional help.
The other thing that viewers should process is that Jae Won's victimhood cannot solely be attributed to Eun Oh's actions as the screenwriters want us to think. The man is textbook serial monogamist right down to his codependency, which really is the root of his alcoholism. He's such a waste of taxpayers' money amd should be arrested along side Eun Oh for being a public nuisance (six drunken police reports!) and obstruction of justice when he wanted to retract his charges and suddenly lied about him giving her the camera just to save her arse.
Don't get me started on Sun Young's physically and emotionally abusive nature.
At this juncture, I'm only mildly curious about how the screenwriters will dig their way out of these sexist/antagonistic characterizations and give these couples their cliched happily ever afters. The only happy ending I can rationally see is one that involves all of them moving on separately and seeking help.

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Totally agree with your evaluation of the misogynistic characterizations in this drama-mess. Is it an attempt, by the screenwriters, to give the audience a window into how brutal dating and love can be in these times? No s**t, Sherlock.

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I mean, it's true something is very wrong there but I don't think 'sociopath' is the right answer. Whatever has been wrong was clearly wrong before she even met Jae-won, but I don't think an excess of self-loathing requires psychiatric intervention.

I also don't think the misogyny about this drama is in its female characters, I think it's more in the metacommentary.

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I think I've been in the minority of viewers since I don't actually "hate" any of the characters. I think this drama really displays how flawed people can be, especially in their decisions regarding relationships. Obviously, it is dramatized for the sake of entertainment, but it does show how truly messed up and awful people can be.
Like I get that many people hate Eun-oh and find her actions horrible, I do agree , but I do also on some level empathize with the impulse to choose the easier, non-confrontational way to end things. Of course, it is completely selfish to continue lying for her own comfort, but I do get how someone could give into the selfish choice and tell themselves it's for best for everyone involved, even if that is clearly not the case.
This definitely isn't a show where the characters are likable and the relationships are wish-fulfillment. I think it is more "realistic" in the sense that it is depicting that people can be this selfish and crazy when it comes to relationships (even into their 30s).

I do hope that Eun-oh can be redeemed though and I do think that it has to be something that her friends may not even know about, hence her reluctance to tell Jae-won the truth (especially after she found out how intertwined he is in her friend group). The most logical (I am using "logical" loosely here) way for her going to such great lengths to deceive everyone would be that it would raise questions about why she became Sun-a in the first place.
One can only hope the the writing will pull through for us!

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Sure, it is a slice-of-life drama where we can see how very real the characters are. But I think viewers get upset because even a slice-of-life drama should somehow be inspirational, by showing characters’ development. Otherwise, it’s the news, it’s not dramas.

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That is true. I suppose I am used to the more cynical takes on things since I usually watch U.K. television which tends to go with the more somber (and sometimes depressing) route.

I just think the this drama does have its merits in addition to its shortcomings (for now, anyway)

I guess we're all in for the ride together! :)

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One thing I really do appreciate about the drama is its portrayal of a young couple in love - yes, it's flawed but I like how physically comfortable and affectionate Jae-won and Eun-oh (as YSA) were around each other in Yangyang. Kudos to Ji Chang-wook and Kim Ji-won, they really have great chemistry.

(also he's really, really funny in his first police station scenes, well, the ones without Eun-oh anyway. Minho had me giggling with the scolding about him being a "regular")

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You aren't alone in that - I really do think this drama has some major merits, not least being the half-hour format leaving less room for the usual kind of kdrama filler (I appreciate the tight focus on the three couples) and its willingness to have its main characters, especially the female lead, be very flawed and NOT your usual Candy or 'I wish I could be her' type. It's very well directed and acted.

I think what Eun-oh did was bad, but I can also see how she ended up doing it, if that makes sense? I don't think a deception on this scale happens without some link to why she disappeared from her friends' lives for three whole months and took on a fake name - it clearly has a link to why she found being "Lee Eun-oh" so unbearable that she invented a whole new name and personality for herself in a strange place, before Jae-won even came along.

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Wow, I've been watching this drama without the recap for the last few weeks and I think my opinion is diametrically opposite to everyone here - I think what Eun-oh did was wrong, but doesn't make her beyond redemption. Whatever had her running away to Yangyang with a fake name wasn't about Jae-won to begin with, and she's been dealing with that fallout ever since. Also it clearly wasn't for sh-ts and giggles, because that girl has been suffering over it no matter how much she lies to herself and says she's ok (and not rational either, given her behaviour this ep). I actually might not like this character if she was played by any other actress, but Kim Ji-won really makes Eun-oh, what with the mixture of self-deceit and a brave face on things.

As for her continuing to hang around Kyung-joon and be part of a social circle that overlaps with Jae-won's....Rin-yi is her childhood friend, it's not as if she could ditch her or order her to ditch her bf over him being Jae-won's cousin! If anything that would actually make her a bad person. And also her friends are all she really has at this point, even if Sun-young is insecure over Geon having female friends (speaking of which, I still find her a hoot- I don't need drama characters to be people I would want to be friends with irl, just interesting to watch, and they all are).

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I agree with the person who said the show has many merits but also many shortcomings. There is lot of flack for Eun-ho's character and rightly so but she is not the only one. You can hate her character and the makers have given us enough reason for it. But all the characters are a bit grey and have their flaws? I mean my heart goes out to Jae-won but not sure if anyone here agrees that his character is the most confusing. I can't put a finger on it and say what it is but his character can be petty, clingy and jumps to conclusions easily. In the scene where Rin-i gushes coke on the ex in the office, not once did PJW try to help her even in all the chaos in anyway. She is his cousin's long time girlfriend. It didn't make sense to me. She was losing it and all he did was whine while moping. This is just one example and I found many such instances where I had difficulty understanding the character.

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Ive been thinking this almost from the start - the moment when we get revealed EO knows so much about JW's whereabouts and deliberately kept him in the dark all this time- but this episode made me think even more they shouldnt be together and if they do, I feel I'll end up feeling JW ca do so much better and is a saint... When she kept saying she didnt have anything to remember him, I had a hunch she had the ring as a necklace but I was like 'no way! she wouldnt be doing that to herself and JW'... guess I was wrong... her motives are getting more and more confusing to me. All shes done goes beyond the 'I want to save face with my friends' premise. Like 3 episodes before, seeing JW's loving romantic side, I was thinking if she apologized, came clean about what motivated her to create a persona, JW would have forgiven her when they were back in Seoul but now I just hope he stands for himself and won't let her walk over him.

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