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Open Thread #692

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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I recently read an article published late last year. CLOY was the most popular drama in 2020. It attained huge staying power and media coverage throughout the year, especially in international markets. But the writer concluded HB and SYJ mainly were rewarded for their popularity and not acting achievement. The main CLOY awards won were by popular fan votes and not for the content, script or acting of the show.

The writer opined that CLOY became a phenomenon solely based on beautiful fashion, a trapped romantic motif and the good looks of the leads.Viewers dismissed the unbelievable premise, huge plot holes, and simple characterizations for pure escapism.

The shows general themes seem to hit home during pandemic lock down. The writer thought (and infers their peers agree) that the actors had a muted opportunity to show their best acting skills and their chemistry was less than viewers amped it up to be because viewers needed in troubled times to have a simple fairy tale.

Popularity is the state or condition of being liked, admired or supported by many people. Professional achievement is being acknowledged by your peers for doing something successfully with great skill and talent. I can see the difference between the two concepts. I can also see how the two concepts can be perceived as the same thing. There is a subjective baseline. There may be a highly popular actor who does not have very much talent. There may be a highly talented actor who does not have much popularity. Popularity is a double edged sword.

"It was around 8 or 9 years ago," Gong Hyo Jin said in an article, she thought she would not be able to become an actress for a long time. "That's when I realized something," she continued. "I really love this job but I'm very afraid of the loneliness that I will feel when the public starts leaving me so I start getting ready to let go of everything.” The fear of losing popularity can have an adverse career effect and be a drain on your personal life.

Popularity and public support are important to actors. It gives them an opportunity to continue to work. But it gives them a great deal of pressure in a vacuum of self-doubt. Does the public like me for my acting performances or superficial things like my appearance, my lifestyle or public persona?

Another commentator remarked that it was odd HB and SYJ continue to promote CLOY almost a year after the series ended. Their personal popularity grew immensely. It was because they broke the fourth wall to make their characters fairy tale romance that viewers fell for . . . real. The massive SNS fan attention has blurred CLOY and reality into a surreal continuation of the show.

A star may be standing on a mountain top of popularity. But fads fade; public support changes. Over time, old shows lose their luster. Personal life choices can intervene. Popularity can crash in an avalanche of disappointment.

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Yes, all of this.

Given that popularity and success in the entertainment are so fleeting and ephemeral, I'm sure popular actors feel the need to make hay while the sun is still shining.

There's a lot (and I mean genuinely A LOT) of money to be made by stars like HB and SYJ blurring the lines between reel and real, and I can't really fault them for wanting to cash out while they still can.

I read an interview with someone (it might have been Kim Sun-A?) who noted that rom-com is still the most popular drama genre, but she's not likely to be cast in them anymore because audiences don't want to see older women falling in love. So, even massively popular stars like SYJ (who is almost 40) have to know the writing is on the wall, so why not make as much bank now?

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Yes, taking fame to the bank. It is presumed SYJ had a record income year. One estimate had SYJ making between $16-26 million (US) in 2020 based on CLOY, 12+ CFs and fan meeting.

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If an actor has a contract that promises them a percentage of the box office gross (which often happens in movies) the actors would have a stake in keeping interest in it alive for as long as possible. I don't know how that would translate to TV fare but Netflix worldwide streaming is changing the rules.

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My understanding of Netflix deals is that when it licenses shows, it only pays the production company a fee, not the actors. When it is an original Netflix show, it is a co-producer and pays the actors from the budget (which can be 1.5 to 2 times more than average Korean show budgets/salaries).

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Little Boy - 2115k 1st week February and

2175k 19 Feb - This is what you call a rally.

Cricket - Tomorrow - Awesome 4th Test and after a long while a test match in Pak.

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10k for the day loss. offf. And i didn't even blink an eye.
But it was pretty fun day. Tomorrow gonna rest and watch a few tv dramas. I might be able to catch Serendipity of John Cusack.
As mentioned in 2018 n 2019 - I don't watch or read the the same content again. There is abundance of information in this world and so short of a life so you can't keep on going back to same thing again and again and yet i've watched serendipity more than 15 times - never from start. This movie just broadcast almost every week on this or that tv movie channel.

I could easily watch it online but then there won't be any fun in this whole action and scenario.
I can easily check the schedule of tv channels and switch on the tv at the right time but again where is the fun in all this.

I consider destiny, fate , luck the cookies for delusional minds but i don't also consider serendipity one of their comrade so here i'm not only playing but also making the both sides collide. Its fun and i'm curious and then curiosity keeps me hungry and active. No wealth of human world can do so.

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Hello Beanies! Happy Friday! I hope you're all well.

I'm sure that many of us experience the same palpable sense of relief this week with respect to governance in the United States. I look forward to politics being so bland and boring that I don't have to pay attention if I don't want to, lol.

On the k-drama front, I just finished Goblin. I think the show is about as good a show can be given the fantasy premise, and the acting from both male leads is superb, even if Lee Dong Wook sort of steals the show. It also asks some profound philosophical questions about life and death, and chooses not to answer them. That's some excellent writing. Still, I was really uncomfortable with the female lead being so young. I don't know that it was critically necessary for her to be a high school student unless we're so cynical that we can't believe a woman in her late 20s would still be innocent enough to believe certain things. That's really the only thing that keeps me from endorsing Goblin completely.

I'm also watching Coffee Prince, and so far, I'm enjoying it for what it is and I openly admit I would probably pay to just hear Lee Sun-kyun read the phone book, lol). But it hasn't hit me right in the feels the way My Name Is Kim Sam Soon did, even though CP seems to have a bit of MNIKSS in its DNA.

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In the end, for me Goblin came down to the bromance between Goblin and Reaper and the story of Sunny and Reaper. I never got into the goblin bride arc.

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The bromance is terrific, and mostly the reason I stuck with the show through the end. Gong Yoo and Lee Dong Wook have fabulous bromantic chemistry that I hope has bled over into their real lives, because they seem like they'd be awesome BFFs, lol.

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For me, nothing has ever hit as hard as Sam Soon 😢 but Coffee Prince did come very close 👍🏼😁

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Right? Sam Soon forever, lol.

I did like CP fine, and it does a few things better than MNIKSS. But it just didn't hit me as hard. Someday I might even be able to understand/explain why MNIKSS had this effect on me, lol.

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I know, I still wonder and it’s been 15 years! My bday gift from a friend that year was a copy of “Momo” and I remember crying and crying when I opened it 😭 ❤️❤️❤️MNIKSS❤️❤️❤️

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Aaaw.

I have not read "Momo" myself, but (a) I hear it's a phenomenal modern fantasy novel; and (b) including "Momo" in the drama was such a great move by the writers, since time is such a big theme on the show. It's another example of MNIKSS's greatness, really.

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Coffee Prince really was that drama which set a bar for all the dramas to come. I loved it to the core

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Confetti everywhere from me for the new governance in US. Absolutely agree, let's not have makjang drama when it comes to running a country.

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Just here to support Gong Yoo and all his projects! Enjoy Coffee Prince—it’s lightning in a bottle. I did love Goblin. Because it was a fantasy, I was fine with her being a high schooler, but many were not. Her headspace was much more mature than her age, I believe. I’ve only written a couple essays on both these shows here. 😂

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Haha that last sentence really made me laugh hard! And remember the old days that were so fun 😕

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It was only a couple years ago!

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The last 4 years didn’t feel like 40 for you? 🤣

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No, it did. That’s why I’m so surprised!

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I liked Coffee Prince a lot, and I have nothing but good things to say about Gong Yoo in either CP or Goblin. Why/how is he so arresting and awesome?! (I will not shame myself by admitting I may have tried to watch obscure things in his filmography, lol).

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After over a year of being totally into cdramas and watching rarely any kdramas I've suddenly been in the mood for kdramas. Been watching tons lately!

Mr Queen 9.5/10 Not watched ep 12 yet but I'm watching this with my mom and we are both loving it. SHS has been my favorite actress for awhile and she is absolutely killing it in this role. The humor is so on point and I'm even interested in the political machinations.

Sweet Home 9.5/10 Absolutely loved this. Lee Si Young was so hot in this. Love all the different and unique characters.

Mystic Pop-Up Bar 9.5/10 Loved this trio. I have always loved found family type stories and this one was lovely. I've never really liked
Hwang Jung Eum (I call her screecher) but I think she fit this role perfectly. And Yook Sungjae's character is the most adorable puppy 😚

Hospital Playlist 9/10 I quite liked this one. I didn't love it like a lot did but I really don't like slice of life dramas, so the fact I liked it as much as I did really says something. All the actors were phenomenal. My favorite character is Lee Ik Jun but my 2nd favorite were the older friends of Rosa and Jong Su. I loved the interactions between all 5 friends. Not really into any of the romances though.

Please Don't Date Him 7.5/10 This was a quirky and breezy watch. The ML was a total sweetheart and I quite liked the FL. There were plot holes and the last episode went kinda wtf. But overall it was a cute and easy watch.

Extracurricular 8/10 This was a very well done drama but I didn't like any of the characters. This was totally intentional as you aren't really supposed to like them but I have a hard time enjoying dramas if I don't like atleast 1 of the main characters. It's the characters which tend to make me love dramas.

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Crash Landing On You 8.5/10 Only 4 episodes into this but so far it's fun and entertaining. All the actors are doing a great job. I really love the North Korean soldier ducklings and Se Ri's interactions with them. Jung Hyuk is a big ol' softy and quite liking his character. Also, I find it hilarious the drama still managed to make the ML a chaebol despite him being a North Korean Soldier, and to have an actual ToD corps 🤣

Run On 9/10 Not watched ep 11-12 for this week but I am loving this drama and the whole vibe it's going for. The writing is so relaxed and I love the dialogue between all the characters. Ki Seon Gyeom is such a unique and weird character and I'm loving him. All I ask for is better kisses please. PLEASE. 🙏

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Happy Friday, Beanies!

Mom was excited last week because she finally managed to convince dad into watching Crash Landing On You. Yesterday she was complaining that he can't watch just one episode so they've been staying up pretty late and end up missing their alarms the next day 🤣

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Ahhhh hahahaa that is too awesome, I love it! 🤣. It’s always so nice when the people who have been rolling their eyes at your “weird Korean whatever” habit fall into the rabbit hole!

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Oh dear me, they even woke up early to continue watching. I think left on his own, my dad would've gone on a two-day binge hahaha.

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I love this so much!! :o)

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Your parents are cool! ☺️ It's so sweet that a couple watches dramas together.

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Sometimes they act like giddy teenagers in their first relationship going on dates and watching movies. Lol. It raised my standards more than any drama ever could 😂

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My mom has been borrowing my VIKI account fir a couple years now and it’s fun to see what she and my dad are watching. They binge watch too. Right now, it’s 30 but 17. I just let her watch whatever she wants. She came over today and I asked her if she liked it. She likes Yang Sejong more than anything!

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Dad is the worst. We had to hide the remote control to stop him from watching ep. 16 of CLOY because it's so so late and they have to deal the Monday rush hour the next day. He was pouting and a bit teary because of the ep. 15 ending 😂

Mom likes the likes of Park Seo-joon, Song Joong-ki, and now Hyun Bin. It sounds cheesy but if asked who she likes best or thinks is the most handsome, she's gonna say that it's my dad haha.

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Your parents are 100% goals. ❤

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

Last weekend was very emotional because of my grandmother’s funeral and all the grieving I had yet to do. I felt slightly better this week after closing that chapter, and was even able to study every evening after working hours. The illusion was nice while it lasted, because right now I am panicking about the fact that I have so little study time left and still too much to cover. Every day somebody new in my environment gets covid or another health scare. I hope a cup of tea will calm me down, I’d rather not touch the calming pills yet.

I better get that well-deserved break with a great K-drama in February!😤

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hang in there!

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Thank you for the support!❤️

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Turtie, fighting! 🐢 you will make it!

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Thank you!❤️

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Fingers crossed for you. You're going to be great. :)

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I hope you are right, thank you for your faith!❤️

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Fighting!

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Thank you!❤️

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I'm so sorry about all the illness close to you.

Just keep working on the studying and you'll get there. All you can do is try your best.

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Mugy is a strong supporter of those in need of it. KSH appreciated this. 🥰❤️🤣 *Me two*

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'All you can do is try your best' -TRUTH, it just feels like the studying, the only thing I can somewhat control, is not making any progress either. Thank you for your support!❤️

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Thanks for the update on how you are doing @turtuallysarcastic. Please be patient with yourself. Grieving can be intense and hit you completely unawares - but it's normal.
But with people around you getting sick - aughh!!

sometimes you need to stop, and take a deep breath.... then go back to everything. Anyway - we beanies are always here for you!

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I second the need to stop and take a deep breath every so often. Life can be overwhelming and all we have to try to do is to relax. It's difficult, isn't it?

We are here for one another. I, too, need support from lovely Beanies here and I'm glad I asked for it 🥰. Have a great day turtie! 🐢

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@stpauligurl and @mmmmm Thank you for your support! The family dynamics are/were messy, and so is the grieving process as a result. Sleep would be a nice break and make things a lot easier to deal with, but despite my efforts not much progress there either.

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@turtuallysarcastic - sometimes I have to just stop and tell myself that all I have is here NOW and that's it. Then I take a deep breath and tell myself to just get through this minute. Thats all you have to do.
Family dynamics make it harder for sure. But right now you are the most important person in your life. Period.

Grieving in the middle of a pandemic and just starting a new job makes it so much harder, but you will survive - one minute at a time and eventually one hour at a time...
Sometime you will look back on this time as a memory. And they will be good and bad but they will be just that- memories.

Hang in there and don't be afraid to take your calming pill. You deserve it okay?

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I would give you a big hug if I could right now❤️ Fortunately I am aware that it will pass and become a memory, but the suffering needs to take place right now first. One day at a time multiplied by fourteen and it should be over!🙏

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Hi Turtie, I struggle with sleeping myself, and it was especially hard in the depths of grief. In case this is helpful, I find that I can fall asleep whilst listening to something that I find soothing, because then I don't have to listen to what's going on in my own head. For some people, that's white noise, or music. For me, I have a couple of meditation teachers I love, and I listen to their talks or guided meditations (for free) on the Insight Timer app. I have listened to one particular talk countless times, so my mind doesn't feel like it has to pay attention per se, but it drifts along with the voice, catches bits and pieces of the talk and finds it soothing. If you'd like any recommendations, let me know. <3 Sending lots of love your way.

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Thank you! It has been raining at night very often these days, which is very soothing for me.🙂

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@turtuallysarcastic My prayers are with you and your family. I know that everything will work out.

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Thank you!❤️

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I watched Bling Empire and idk how I feel about. There were moments I enjoyed but mostly cringed at. I know it's just a tv show and all that but ugh ... it was sad.

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I can not watch these type of reality tv shows. Maybe I'm just becoming an old ahjumma now. But I'm worried for the younger generations that being fed these kind of warped 'reality' and how that may skewed their own perception of their self worth.

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It was tone-deaf and especially at a time where there is so much racism against asian-americans I'm not sure this was the right time for this lol can you believe this was the first American all-Asian format show? Lol

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As a young person, let me tell you that even we are sick of "reality" shows like these. I'm 19 and the moment I saw the trailer for Bling Empire, I cringed a ton.

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Breathing great sighs of relief this week. Hoping for a little snow over the weekend or early next week.

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Just curious what passes as “little” snow for you? At my current location, an inch or two would be called a major disaster.

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Wow. An inch or two or snow is the perfect amount, enough to cover the ground and make everything pretty while not being a nuisance and being a breeze for the snow plows to take care of. You don't even need to shovel!

Okay, well, if you are a kid who likes building snow forts and snow people, you probably want more.

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I love any amount as long as the power stays on.

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If we're lucky, an inch.

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There's snow in our forecast tomorrow, maybe 3 inches. I'm looking forward to it, esp. since that amount isn't likely to be a dealbreaker with respect to my weekend plans.

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*prepares to build a snowman*

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Unfortunately, the forecast is for a tiny amount if any at all.

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*prepares to build a very small snowman* ⛄️

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The thought of snow makes me nervous!

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I love it as long as my power remains on.

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I'm glad that Korean entertainment news isn't belonged to the ongoing major entertainment scandal from still pandemic-era China.

Zheng Shuang surrogating scandals are likely to automatically end/disappear/never return her career anymore and will be indefinitely banned/no more from entire Chinese entertainment (including media) and business world soon after Prada dropped her as the shortest Prada active reign, her dramas indefinitely unaired and threw into bins, Chinese entertainment putted her into bad/worst personality and even revoked all awards and titles (including Top 10 awards) for her entire career. After that, I knew that Zheng Shuang will be forever into rarely obscurity and she will never existed anymore soon once she will cut off.

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I did not know the actress or her work. But when I read the story, I knew that her career was over because Asian countries are hyper-sensitive to honor and reputation, especially with public figures. China does have a history of erasing people from history.

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Reading about this whole debacle made my heart stop. I just hope that the children will be loved and cared for, and be able to grow up where they can reside legally. Further down the priority list, I hope this opens up conversations about surrogacy and adoption, and the safeguards that can/should be put in place to ensure that those must vulnerable are protected.

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The Zheng Shuang scandal was such a mess. My heart goes out to those children and I worry about their future. Also as far as I have read, Zheng Shuang's parents are also trash.

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Looking at February Kdrama line-up:
1. Penthouse 2 (SBS)
2. River When The Moon Rises (KBS)
3. Dear M (KBS)
4. Hello! It's Me! (KBS)
5. Love Scene Number (MBC)
6. Times (OCN)
7. LUCA (tvN)
8. Mouse (tVN)
9. Vincenzo (tVN)
10. Sisyphus (jTBC)
11. Monster (jTBC)

That's a lot! 😆 Which ones are you most curious about?

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Not exactly looking forward to, but steeling myself for River Where the Moon Rises. I know it's going to hurt.

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River When The Moon Rises for a good sageuk and Vincenzo because the plot seems far-fetched but it makes me curious and I like the main actors.

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I was so excited about Dear M, and then Kim Sae-ron left the cast 😫

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Times.
Lee Joo-young is a very underappreciated actress.

I am beginning to seek out dramas more based on the lead actor(s) than the story premise.

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Halfway through The Penthouse. Characters are mostly caricatures and they make stupid decisions, but I can't help but sit through each episode. Anyone else watching?

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Watched. Waiting for season 2 in another month or so...

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This is one of the most over-the-top dramas I've ever seen it's almost dark comedy. I expect S2 would be really extra.

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If you haven’t watched it, Graceful Family is also another over the top drama.

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Greetings from the capital of #PlagueIsland!

Things have been pretty rough these last few weeks and my decision to finally watch My Ajusshi was probably a mistake. It's great but not really suited to my mood. I can't deal with more misery for the moment. It's too painful (even though I'm sure the pay-off, when it comes, will be worth it). I need something happy & joyful

Dramaland, can you please make something like that? I'm in the mood for relentless optimism. Alternatively, beanies, if there's something happy that I should watch, let me know. An uplifting drama about nice people doing good things with a lot of smiling would do me nicely.

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I would recommend Do Do Sol Sol La La Sol, but only if you can stop at the end of ep.12 or 13 as I did in my case. I heard that it went downhill after that.

I was able to stop at the end of ep.13 and to me, the drama is still something I regard as my happy pill.

Or perhaps, Coffee Prince?

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I didn't get on all that well with DDSSLLS - I dropped it when the drama dropped the high-schooler bombshell.

A Coffee Prince rewatch does sound like a good idea however. I like the My Ajusshi tie-in 😉

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That song the ajusshi man wrote for his on-and-off girlfriend was very sweet. Brings back all the feels.

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I wonder if we're living on the same Plague Island? Because I feel very similarly...

This is not a K-Drama, but there's a wee Canadian sitcom called Kim's Convenience that's available on Netflix where I am. It's centred around a Korean-Canadian family, and it's light, funny, and allows you to shut your mind off. I love it dearly, and as a cultural mutt/immigrant/expat myself, found that it had some gorgeous, relatable and insightful moments too. :o)

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That's a good suggestion, I haven't seen that yet.

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I hope you enjoy it, and that it provides some pleasant distraction! :o)

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If that else fails, I'll just give in and watch Bridgerton like the rest of the country

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Yes. Kim's Convenience is so awesome, and as an immigrant who spent the formative years in Canada, it really spoke to me on so many levels.

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One non-drama reality show that is very upbeat is the ten episode COFFEE FRIENDS (2019). It really is a show about friends getting together to do good. Everyone connected with it was a joy. As a teaser you can see how sweetly eccentric Yong Se-jong is lol.

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Cloggie! It’s been ages! I’m watching mostly fluffy all the time right now. Run On has been great! The new Unrequited love with HYT, To my star (BL), and The Rebel Princess with Zhang Ziyi (not fluffy but still a great distraction). I like the latter because there’s a new episode every day and I don’t have to wait for it. And I agree with a Coffee Prince rewatch.

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And yes, Bridgerton deserves your attention as well.

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Ally! You're so right, I need mindless fluff. If I rewatch something I know well, then I know when the Angst episodes are coming and skip them XD

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Welcome2Life seems to have slipped under most people's radar. It's engrossing, has a great female lead, and yes, a happy ending. It's also thought-provoking. Available on Viki.
If you want light, fun, happy then maybe something that's not a drama? Lee Seun-gi and Jasper Liu's travel variety show, Twogether, is a blast. Both of them are so likeable. It's available on Netflix.
Zombie Detective was also a lot of fun, available on Viki.

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I’d second Twogether! And also Master of the House. Some really sweet stories there.

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I'll check out Welcome2Life. You're right, this one wasn't even on my radar!

I liked Twogether too. They're a great double act

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Hi everyone - I am at the end of my first month watching K-dramas (I watched my very first one during the Christmas holidays) and being at the end of the seventh show in a row here I am lurking on this website, reading recaps, posting comments, looking up Korean words online. SIGH. What has happened???

At the moment I am fairly obsessed with Run On and know I will be sad when it ends next week.

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I've come out of lurking to welcome you, cortadochica, to the wonderful world of K-dramas. Glad you are here. There are tons of oldies but goodies to watch in addition to all the new ones. Just ask here on Dramabeans for some recommendation when you need something.

Also, mydramalist dot com is a good place to do research on all different types of Asian dramas and movies. It is also a good place to connect with like-minded drama addicts.

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Thank you! The sheer number of dramas out there is overwhelming. I’ll research what are some of the old ones to not miss. Do you have a favourite?

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Welcome to the community, cortadochica!😊 I can relate - I have been completely sucked into the K-drama vortex myself, and am still in the honeymoon phase! It is wonderful (and I’m not going to complain if it continues for a while!).

I love MJP’s recs, and wanted to recommend thefangirlverdict blog as well (I hope that’s ok to do!). She writes excellent reviews, and I use her full listing of shows and her ratings to help me decide what to watch. There are ratings on Dramabeans, too - they are located in the RECAPS section (at the top of the page, you should see ratings as one option out of three). Someone told me about it when I first joined DB, and I found it so helpful!🤓

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I love the recaps here. I watch the show then read the recap as it helps me see somethings I missed, particularly when the person recapping explains a nuance related to the Korean language. I am totally in the honeymoon phase. Every time I finish a series I think I won't be able to watch a new one because what can beat THAT? and then I watch something else and it's OMG all over again. I was head over heels in love with the main leads of It's Okay to not be Okay and now I am obsessing with Run On lol

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