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Mr. Queen: Episodes 15-16 Open Thread

Our hero starts sharing his knowledge of the future with the hopes of changing the king’s, the country’s, and his own fate. But will it work? Will it do more harm than good? As our king and queen join forces, some dangerous lines start to be crossed, and our hero is at risk of losing his former identity forever.

 
EPISODES 15-16 WEECAP

Hooray, as was hinted last week, little Dam Hyang isn’t dead! Instead, it’s all a giant cover-up to save the girl and reunite her safely with her mother, outside of the court. Because the court, as we’ve seen, is getting more dangerous by the day.

The rescue of Dam Hyang serves to bring Cheoljong and So-yong together even more, and this week their partnership is in full swing. And thanks to this, and the progress Cheoljong made in the court last week, a lot of things are changing in the palace.

To start, the Andong Kims are all but cut off at the ankles, and seeing Cheoljong wipe out the corruption at the court was quite satisfying. The ledger might be in the wrong hands (and how it passed through those hands was finally revealed by Hwa-jin), but fear not, the information was memorized and shared thanks to So-yong’s father. That means evidence, and Cheoljong doesn’t waste his time cleaning house.

Among other important changes in the palace, Byung-in is now the Minister of War, battling head-to-head with Cheoljong. Interestingly, and despite knowing that the queen has “abandoned her clan” to support the king, he’s still completely devoted to her. He even tries to reconfirm that devotion — especially the romantic side of it — but he’s quite sharply spurned by So-yong.

And so, at this point in the story we have a Kim So-yong (or rather, Jang So-yong, as she declares herself) who has slowly but surely overturned everything about the previous So-yong. Our new So-yong makes decisions that she wants to, and that benefit her.

Old alliances don’t stand for much, but new alliances — they’re the things that matter. And that, of course, is what we see between the king and queen this week. Between So-yong not caring for her clan’s agenda, getting her revenge against the ladies in the court, and sharing some secrets of the future with Cheoljong and his crew — things are escalating quite quickly.

So-yong is a bit reckless with sharing future information (be it historical information, giving military and tactical advantage, etc.), but I think she’s realized just how dire the fight is. It’s still a bit of a game, full of strategies and side-choosing, but it’s also a serious one with serious outcomes.

Seeing Cheoljong and So-yong bond was a lot of fun, but beyond the actual bonding and late-night study sessions, I found the outcomes particularly satisfying. Cheoljong becoming a true and just ruler. So-yong becoming a major player in the court and delivering revenge (even to the likes of Kim Jwa-geun) (and OMG that tiny sword!). And in the best stroke yet: together, these two are becoming the Joseon power couple.

Although we still have our fair share of silly hijinks, side character sketches, and lots of fun scenes in the royal kitchen, this week really belonged to our power couple. Oh, and so did that bomb-drop of an ending.

We are not left wondering about So-yong’s sudden nausea for long: at the end of our episodes this week, the court physician confirms that So-yong is pregnant. Cheoljong is giddy, everyone else in the room is ecstatic, and So-yong looks like her world has just been turned inside out. Which is rather accurate.

Just when you think Mr. Queen went as far as they were going to — nope, there’s more! And So-yong being pregnant seems like a pretty irreversible move for the trajectory of this character. Last week I estimated So-yong was only 25% Bong-hwan at this point in the story, but after this huge reveal, it feels like we now have an official queen on our hands. Well, a queen with a really wacky, 21st century personality.

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there's no way to differentiate at this point and i love it. if she really is pregnant and has a baby then he's in for a treat (even typing this is fun and interesting!!!!!!) but wow like the first time huh......taht's really sad.

why is byng in so fuckin useless

anyways ty for the write up and wow ur absolutely right a power couple they frickin are!!!

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I don't know if this is the same writer, but I remember the writer being infatuated by Byung in and me just patiently waiting for her to wake up and see him as the annoying, potentially evil character he always was. I mean from day one I felt like punching him in the face. He's good-looking yes but Lord I hated him the moment I saw him. All I'm waiting for is to see our King being the doting husband on our reluctant he-queen 😈

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I think it's the actors fault. He doesn't display a wide range of emotion. His eyes always convey about 50 % of what he could in that situation. I think the role doesn't give him much to work on but he's not helping either. I had to laugh when I saw his "love" acting in front of Shin Hye-sun (aka Kim So-yong). He looks like a klutz compared to her. If they would be the main couple I wonder if they would have chemistry. I mean Shin Hye-sun could have chemisty with a rock...

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Just like you, @misky, I don't like Byung-in from the start. I am not sure, @moko1, if the actor behind him is doing the work badly, though--this is the first time I see this actor. But sure, he is so damn annoying.

And yes, Shin Hye-sun do have chemistry with a rock: remember that rock before the lake where the former So-yong committed suicide?

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You have no idea how many times I replayed the scene where So Bong kissed the wine jar. That kiss is so real and so much better than most kdrama kisses 😆

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I know, @transient.

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There was just something that made me want to punch him in the face. I guess playing such character can do that to you

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It's sad the'y turning Byung-in in the villain. He was devoted to the Queen and let her go to the Palace. He was right to be angry against the King, he tried to kill her, drugged her... But now the situation changed and the Queen was pretty clear about it.

I really don't like Prince Youngpyeong. He always doubts the Queen and has no issue to kill a little girl for a bigger cause. He knew for the ledger but he protected Hwa-Jin instead of his King.

I'm happy that the King and the Queen finally take the villains down together ! The Queen is not a weak and quiet target anymore! She's the weapon!

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Hyung also grated on me, am flabbergasted he knew Hwa-jin's treachery and kept mum on it. His "I see nothing without your permission" is so hypocritical after forcing a promise from Cheoljong about beheading the queen, annoying!
True for the queen being a weapon, a weapon from the future, woohoo!

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Another character that I don’t like nor trust from the start, Hyung is also pretty stupid anyways.

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Yup, Hyung is definitely not my fav character (and the actor couldn’t even emote which made it worse 😖). I can maybe understand his misgivings towards the Queen - after all she was the enemy. But hey to sacrifice a girl for a cause - that didn’t sit well with me. And to find out that his loyalty was towards the concubine and not the King? Hell no!

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Congratulations Soyong MaMa. Before my delightful screaming, I had first registered her shock and confusion.
The hijinks of the court this week was powerful. I enjoyed how both Byung In and Cheol Jung flexed their muscles legitimately and Cheoljungs final win( I'm sure Byung In was thinking he had won that one).
Jo Hwa Jin - She redeemed herself a bit this week and cleared the air. It helped her realise her worth in the eyes of the King.

And the Kings brother, can he be formal enough and stop thinking I'll about the Queen. Theres not difference between him and Byung In if he remains on this part. They are both coveting the Kings woman.

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At this point, Cheoljong's brother worries me more than Byung In. I don't like the way he glares at So Bong, which seems to stem from his feelings for Hwa-Jin.

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Even after helping them and now knowing she’s on their side, still making that stupid eye/look. I want to slap him every time

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This drama is the only happy pill of my life.
Our country ,Myanmar, was controlled by military regime and all the 56 millions people are currenty under stress.
We woke up with fear ,feeling hopeless.
Even UN council can't save us.
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The military officials who commit high treason are worsen than those ministers. in Mr. Queen.
I really feel like good people bringing justice to the bad can only happen in movies.
Really feeling sad and hopeless.

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Be strong, girlfriend! ☹☹.
Im sorry that we could only cheer you up and not helping much ☹.
Please keep safe and healthy.

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we, in america, are feeling the same sadness.

but hang in there, let's stay positive that democracy will WIN over oppression... we must keep fighting.

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Help us when we bring them to ICJ court.
Our democracy leader is misunderstood by foreign countries by protecting the Myanmar image.
The true perpetrators of Rohingya genocide are those military officials.

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We have started Civil Disobedience campaign from the health sector.
Some of us goes to work wearing red ribbons (which is the color of NLD) while others stay at home.
Some of the government hospitals totally shut down. We consult them at outside clinic with free consultation fees.

Many people have started to participate in Civil Disobedient campaign (CDC) .We have discussions on facebook, so those who committed treason banned us from using facebook up to Feb 7.
They are afraid of CDC because health care personnel are difficult to replace and as it becomes larger many people from other sectors are joining us to stop the illegitimate government system.

We have chosen CDC over protests
because if we go outside ,they will shoot us whether it is 1000 or 1000000.
If any incident on either side were to happen , they will claim they contain power because of instablity in the country,not coup.

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We are tight on both sides.
If we are silent they will claim as people agree with them.
If we walk on streets, they will kill us and pretend there is instablity

So we chose CDC and drum playing at 8pm.
But we are afraid that we cant even do that anymore because they threaten to replace worldwide server with army server protected with Chinese firewall.
We will have no internet connection then.
No way to communiate each other.

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As CDC becomes massive,they have tried to threaten us by firing from job ,withdrawing medical license and with imprisonment.
Many of us want to avoid imprisonment with the reason of unpaid leaves ,but there are determined ,they can imprison us with non sensical charge with walkie talkie. The prisons are not normal prison ,they are like hell camp.
We are very afraid but we continue CDC bec it is the only way.

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We are frustrated. Other countries think only a few of us resist their coup because citizens accept .
No it is not true. Everyone is resisting but cant protest on streets because they will claim it as instability created by oppsing party.
We are laughing stocks.
These terrorist military is abusing their power with China and russia back up

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I am thinking of you and hoping that everything will be alright sooner rather than later. I have also been through countrywide internet shutdowns and it is really frightening. Stay strong!

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It’s sad, reading about it on the news. Hope things get sorted out soon and peacefully! Hwaiting, fellow beanie!

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They are not soliders. They are terrorists.
They killed millions of people in 1988.
They pretended they are firm believers of Buddha in 2020 election but they killed thousands of monks beacause of their protests on roads in 2008.
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They are old sly foxes nastier than 'Scar in Lion King'
If you hate terrorists in Hotel Munbai. Ok I will say it. The terrorists in Hotel Munbai are still better than them.
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Currently they prisoned our elected president and our chief counseller DASSK because they have walkie. talkies.
How childish and how nasty.

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let me echo the sentiments of the other beanies. these times are difficult globally. but particularly now in your country Myanmar. you are correct that the military is a terrorist organization.

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Stay strong

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MMMkitty, I have been so sorry to follow what is happening in Myanmar. Thank you for letting us know how you are feeling. I hope the US will find a way to provide support for the democratically elected leaders.
Have you read @leetennant’s essay on the fan wall today about love and grief? It reminds me of your situation, I think you will like it.

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That was quite a bomb to throw on so bong I don’t know whether to laugh at the ridiculousness of the situation or cry for him for potentially experiencing his first pregnancy.

These two episodes were nonetheless enjoyable and it was so satisfying to see so bong have so much control over those who she was grovelling at the beginning of the show, but most of all im ecstatic that he finally became allies with cheongi cheongi cheoljong!

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I lub her calling him "uri Cheoljong-ie" or "Jong-ah", so deliciously informal ><

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Cheers to the US who love it when couples use informal language, so sweet and cute every time.

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Who would have thought that formalities would be dropped during this time period, love it!

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Ah! Where to start! Some funny, happy moments this week!

Queen and her revenge mission! It was too fun! And Shin Hye-sun looked amazing!
And also Queen and King being officially allies, finally!

The ramyeon scene was hilarious!! I didn’t really expect it to lead to another “hot night”, so no surprises there, but it was fun to see SB trying to deal with and understand her feelings...one thing though, why did Cheol-jong not taste the freakin ramyeon?!?! I was definitely waiting for that!! ahhh!

Cute No Touch couple talking about 21st century Korea every night and falling asleep together! I didn't know what to expect regarding the romance, in the beginning, but now I can say I’m sold, they’re so adorable!!
And adorable is also CJ being jealous of Kim Hwan! I swear his character seems so pointless, but he’s still so funny to me!! xD

And lastly, about the royal baby...well, it was not too shocking, (because people on twt talk too much about spoilers and theories lol) so I was kinda ready for it to happen.
The whole scene was very funny, but I’m not a fan of the pregnancy, tbh..it will surely be a lot of fun, but I’m also worried about how they’ll deal with it; will we get a time jump?? Are we really gonna miss 8 months of their lives?? I feel like this is a drama that might suffer from that more than others, but we’ll see!

P.S. they better not have used up all the kissing quota already on ep 9?!? That was basically just an act!! I need a real kiss at least once!! 😂😂

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Was also disappointed Cheoljong didn't get a taste of ramyeon...

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Me too!

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Me three! 🙋🏻‍♀️

I was like, “Eat that freaking ramyeon, Cheoljong-ie! It will change your life” 🤣

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She did say that once you tasted ramyeon, there's no going back

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So-bong's protecting him from a dangerous addiction ><

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her black top and red lips combo, i love it so much~ the revenge moves are so satisfying to watch especially with hwajin. that victim cosplay has been tiring me out so i'm glad that soyong called her on that. but at least we get the truth from her, so character development?

what left is to deal with byungin cause that man is grating my nerves. while he has feelings for her since forever, i think it is clear that soyong always love cheoljong. that kissed happened because she was in vulnerable state. between him and his dad, i think he is more dangerous tho. at least his dad not holding hands with the enemy?

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Now, little (?!?) rant ahead, read at your own risk. 😅

When I watched ep 15 and 16 it was before and after I had dinner, respectively, and my mood in the span of a few hours went from “I’m-so-excited-can’t-wait-to-watch-the-next-episode!!!” to “meh..”

I thoroughly enjoyed the first episode this week, but I’m not sure what happened with the second one. The first part of it was fine, then it felt rushed, and like something was off, I can’t really pinpoint it exactly, but in the end it was just meh.
It was probably a mix of things, like the weird pacing, choppy editing, too many scenes in a short amount of time, and not really well connected (probably because they rushed 3 weeks in 30 minutes 🙈); add to that Byung-in leaning more towards being a lost cause than ever before, while Hwa-jin’s confession feeling like it was too little too late...not too great (it’s kinda funny at this point, I keep going back and forth between who I think is worse, BI or HJ! xD).

The Prince is kinda getting on my nerves too, although that’s not news; I was rewatching some older episodes, and honestly he’s always insisted with CJ that SY had to be as bad as her clan, and I’m glad that CJ had been trying to defend her more and more as time passed...I still feel so bad for her; the idea that her life might have ended already with her throwing herself in the lake is really sad. :(

One more thing, the well story, the truth about who saved CJ, and SY’s book, plus HJ coming clean about the ledger, it all felt underwhelming..I think it’s because they’ve been teasing it for so long, and we’ve known the truth for some time now, that it didn’t feel as impactful as it could have been. Some earlier confrontation scenes (between CJ and SB especially) were so much more powerful somehow? These in ep 16 not as much, it’s a pity.

Looking on the bright side, all this made my excitement die down a bit, and same with my expectations for the remaining episodes, which is great in case they’ll be disappointing (less heartbreak), and even better in case they’ll be good, because I will be even happier then! ^^

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The revenge round 1, 2 and 3 to the ladies of the palace is satisfying to watch, it's indeed exhilirating. When our Mr. Queen said to JHJ that maybe she could have saved So-Yong back then by grabbing her hand, it was a moment of clarity too for me, that JHJ's has been very deep in victim cosplaying that she'll let somebody suicide in front of her eyes. Glad that JHJ saved the very little piece of her spine and go told Cheoljong the truth. By going with the pregnancy line I think our Mr. Queen will stay in Joseon for good alike the original Go Princess Go, but it's 4 eps left and there's a plenty of room for things to go downhill, guess I'm still traumatized by DD****S 😂😂😂

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There was also pregnancy there and showed the heroine being a strict Mom jajja...Must say the c-drama had way more drama with the pregnancy plot than here...

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Omg i wanna see our Queen as a Joseon mom! i bet she’d be absolutely scandalous and courtmaids will be running after both Queen n child while CJ just smile indulgently at the crazies 😂

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I am really disappointed in Byung In. He used to be better than this. I still hope he wakes up in the next episode when he realizes his clan won't ever accept Soyong back and Cheoljong is the only one who legitimately wants to help save her life.

This week we got treated with great scenes of our otp. SHS and KJH's chemistry is killer. So this is what happens when a drama has extremely talented leads and easy to love main characters.

Cheoljong's reaction to the pregnancy news sent me to places. He went full derp and I loved it lol His protective instincts gonna skyrocket and I can't wait to see it. Mr. Queen too. Our Sobong is in a great state of shock right now but no doubt will come around and protect their baby and husband. I just want all of them to survive! Go into hiding, stage their deaths and open a restaurant somewhere nice.

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Go into hiding, stage their deaths and open a restaurant somewhere nice

I like this idea, a lot!!

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Hmm but I don't think Cheoljong's sense of responsibility for his country would allow him to ditch the throne into the hands of those power crazed ministers

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I suppose you are right but he has more at stake now with a family to protect.

Oh well, a girl can dream 😁

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Bet everybody is ruing the Queen's assassination plot because all that achieved was waking up the sleeping tigress (heh)! The revenge is a hoot and seeing those faces was a treat! And the team is now official, sealed with a love shot, LOL. Yay for So-bong being a part of the King's secret clique, them sharing intel and playing poker are just so cutely chummy.

Have been wondering whether So-bong is okay with changing history by using future knowledge, and guess no hesitancy on that. Totally died when she really castrated the Han guy! But even if she did use it for her Cheoljong-ie, can the future truly be changed..? Cause So-bong's still here and Bong-hwan how..? Time travel always gives me headache...

Am really loving that bit of "normal marriage life" for our OTP, they each have fun with their trio of friends, then hubby coming home to a scold from wifey and a midnight snack offer *nudge nudge* (altho no normal couple will scold about planning to kill father-in-law plus wife). That moment of sexy awareness and the song accompanying it, omg, I cracked up so bad. Cheoljong's expression of shy hope and the sad disappointment is never not funny!

Also, that last screenshot, gotta hand it to Court Lady Choi + Royal Chef for the most original first date ever ><

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My only comment on BI is that I'm glad she told him, her disliking him had nothing to do with the King, one of my biggest pet peeves is someone assuming you will like him/her if another person isn't around. That is nonsense.

This episode was fun. The ramyeon and stories of the future. Aren't they just adorable together. His reaction to her pregnancy was really funny too.

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I have to say i was surprised at Hwa Jin’s turn but SO proud of her for owning up and finally deciding to find herself again! I hope there’s a chance for her and SY to make up cause i really believe theirs can be powerful alliance in the palace, esp against the oldies. Meanwhile, BI just continues his descent deeper into the sh!thole 😩

Please Show don’t pull a BIG on me and conveniently make Bong Hwan disappear into thin air at the end.

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Some eagle eyed Korean watcher comment that HJ drew the symbol of Donghak peasant revolution on SY book. That is why she reveled the true owner of the book. So now she can push the narrative that SY is part of Donghak rebellion and remove her from the throne, witch will naturally make her the next queen. What she is doing is high-level manipulation...

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I saw that comment and I don't particularly believe that. Hwajin seemed to realise this week that Cheoljong has more or less broken up with her and has only eyes for the queen, and whether she was the girl in the well or not that doesn't really matter to Cheoljong in the grand scheme of things. She knows that she's lost herself trying to posess him.

IMO the Donghak stuff was written in by Soyong's mother. She owned the book before Soyong did and Soyong studied from it to be closer to her/prove to her dad she was a worthy daughter. It was pretty telling when Soyong's dad said "she wanted you to grow up in a better world than you did". Soyong's mother was a Donghak sympathiser, Hwajin never looked in the book enough to realise anything was amiss, but Byeongin did after he found out the queen and king were talking about democracy.

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I agree. It really looks like HW is giving up and wanting to change for the better with starting telling the truth.

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Yep, definitely! They've positioned HW and BG as parallels and whilst HW has brought herself back from the brink because she now knows that whatever she does the king just isn't Into Her anymore, but neither does it erase what he felt for her. She realised that her loving him being her entire identity was damaging and she was losing herself/shes spent her entire life trying to be the Soyong the king met in the well.

I honestly don't think she knew anything about the Donghak stuff, not just because she's trying to move on but because I also don't think she's that smart lol. She's SO short sighted, which the QD commented on and took advantage of.

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Ooh, nice theory about the Donghak scribbles; it suddenly appeared and am confused, but your explanation throws some light to the background. Am liking a twist that makes sense!

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That's only a theory, though, isn't it??
Did we actually saw her writing anything in the book?? I don't remember..

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I can not remember if HW wrote in the book. Thought maybe I missed something. But it do not support the fact that she was contemplating her own behavior and telling CJ the truth.

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There was definitely stg in the book (don’t know who wrote it tho) the Donghak theory was in the scene before the pregnancy i think. I was kinda confused by that because i didn’t know then that Donghak was about democracy..then i saw a beanie posted it’s translation.

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Yup, for sure there was something suspicious, we just don't know who wrote it in there and when!

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I actually liked the confrontations she had with the King when she came clean about many stuff as he said that he didn't love her just because he believed she was the one who saved him when kid...Like yeah,he looked at her with kinder eyes but he fell in love with her at that present age(2 years prior story),more than sure he liked her as a woman appereance and personality wise etc and that one lie wouldn't have erased their story and it's real and less fairy tail...It's more real and less cliche than the usual plots...Even he said he was more hurt by the fact that she gave the leadger to his enemy more than the lie about the well...Her lie based on insecurity made it a bigger deal that it actually was...I actually felt sad for her as she loved a man who said he loved her like no one,made her his concubine and in a span of days/weeks fell in love with another woman...The stuff she did out of jealousy and insecurity doesn't excuse by no means her deeds but she is pitiful in my eyes.If i should be totally unbiased our king isin't really a great man in that departament.
Doubt she had any idea what the book actually was...I think Byong In might have known from a long time that the contents of the book were "scandalous" as he was a smart kid but never said anything as the book was precious to So Yong as it belonged to her Mother...I still think in the last moment So Bong will save Byeong In and he would prevent anyone from harming her...He might die trying to protect her or he will finally accept and let go and leave if Cheoljong let's him go...
My biggest fear is they will end it with the cliche hospital stare,i totally hate it for so many reasons...The only fun twist would be if that this time Cheoljong's soul gets transported into the future(his same face) and meets Bong Hwan otherwise if we get the cliche reincarnation for me it's a very bitter ending even when i clearly know korean writers think it's fate or romantic when it's not really.

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whew I am obsessed with this drama I even created an account just to dump all my thoughts LMAO. I'll probably split this into 2 because theres just... SO MUCH. I'm going to be referring to Sobong as she/they because thats where I think they are at this point in the story.

First of all because the plotlines seem to be converging into the conclusion I went back and rewatched the episodes from the beginning (because I ff-ed through anything that wasn't the leads or Hong Yeon/Court Lady Choi) and they truly have hardly ANY wasted dialogue on this show! They were playing slow burn with the politics and its been super satisfying to see it now hurtling towards its conclusion. A really nice callback I found was in ep 1/2 when the Grand Queen Dowager and Kim Jwageum are discussing the queen and hope she's a docile doe and not a horse and then in ep 15 we see Soyong's father ask "what happened to my doe?" and Court Lady Choi say "a deer? shes a wild horse!" lmfao. I also thought they were gonna go in the direction of the pregnancy as soon as Cheoljong told the Head Eunuch to tell the GQD he hasn't been making enough effort to make an heir.

The acting: this show has done a really good job of casting and I'm really happy to see my queen SHS get a male lead on her level. Cheoljong could have been incredibly insipid but KJH has made him equal parts hilarious, infuriating, and easy to root for. I'm glad he found he was ready for a lead role after CLOY again because he's a superb actor. All the actors have been doing ther jobs incredibly well, the dowagers and KJW have been chewing scenery and as annoying as I find their characters the actors playing Byeongin and Hwajin have brought a lot of depth to their characters. Yeongpyeong is also acted really well even though the actor has nothing to do aside from scowl at Sobong.

Up until this week I truly hated Hwajin but ngl I was proud of her this week. She has deep seated insecurities and issues and I like that rather than making the pursuit of love her life or trying to make the king her posession she woke up to what Sobong was saying and decided to go work on herself. I thought that scene was super refreshing in general even if it was a little underwhelming, but rather than being a huge revelation it was more development for Hwajin and Cheoljong. Cheoljong didn't love her once because she was just the girl in the well, that piqued his interest initially but he made a really sweet point that although the lie is hurtful it doesn't erase their time together. Hwajin couldn't handle that because she's based her entire life/identity around being the girl in the well and hates herself so much because she thought she had to lie to gain his love. And it also shows that even if the well thing were true, Cheoljong basically all but confirms that it wouldn't have stopped him from developing feelings for Sobong, but the lie DID help spur on his shortsightedness when it came to her and prevent them...

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...from seeing eye to eye. The well lie DIDN'T purely make Cheoljong like Hwajin (which she can't accept) but it did prevent him from not giving Soyong more of a chance, which is one of the many things that lead to her suicide, which he's obviously sad and apologetic about.

Hwajin and Byeongin have essentially tried to take the places/identities of the leads to keep/gain their love, but because their love was so possessive it was destructive and I think it was super refreshing to hear from both Cheoljong and Sobong that they've simply moved on/didn't love them in the first place. Hwajin's "you were my dream" and Byeongin's "you are my everything" is rejected because the king/queen's relationship isn't based around possession but rapport/common shared values and beliefs. Hwajin has finally realised that but Byeongin hasn't womp, which makes me sad bc in his quest to transplant Cheoljong in Sobong's life his dad is just going to fuck his shit up.

More observations: I agree that Jang Soyong, or Sobong lmfao, is more Soyong at this point. Mainly bc of a) the entire reaction to Damhyang b) calling Soyong's father their dad/only family without some kind of monologue about Bongwhan's family c) their conversation with Cheoljong about the well d) the fact that they could flawlessly write in hanja when previously they couldn't.

I know last week the recap commented on how they didn't know what point they were trying to make re: Sobong's sexuality, and part of that I think is bc the writers are focusing a lot more on gender identity (and also I don't trust them to delve into the commentary about sexuality bc I thought the web drama did it clumsily as well). There has been SO much inner monologue by Sobong about what women can't and can do, a lot of what spurred Soyong to suicide was also because as a woman, she could do shit in her position and Jwageum made her know it. Even the confrontation with Cheoljong is centred on this, he thinks his actions are acceptable because the queen can't fight back. The conversation with Man Bok in the kitchen etc, - everything was leading up to this week to Sobong playing with the concept of "what is a queen?" and deciding to go on the offensive and try to change history not just because for selfish Bongwhan related reasons but because they could change everything by doing so. The show is really playing with the idea that gender is a performance, the scenes where SHS is playing a man in a woman's body dressing up as a man were really clever and encapsulated this well.

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Finally lol, some predictions: I don't think this is going to end up in tragedy since this a comedy but it may end up bittersweet. I def think Sobong is more Soyong at this point but I don't think she'll ever lose the "Bongwhan" personality, it's just as much a part of her now just as Soyong's empathy and moral compass is a part of Bongwhan. Their relationship is an exhange in learning and Bongwhan has had their eyes opened to injustice/inequality/the struggles of women and Soyong has learned to be herself/more assertive/courageous.

If I want to make any hardline predictions I def think that the drug Cheoljong used on Damhynang will come into play. I want to say that Cheoljong and Sobong end up eithe ending the monarchy or creating a constitutional monarchy, thus preventing the further crumbling of the Joseon state that leads to the Japanese colonisation and all the shit that happens after. Bongwhan will wake up in present day Seoul and it'll still be the ROK, they just took a different route to get there. Cheoljong isn't remembered as a drunken puppet king anymore but as a reformer, and the queen is remembered as a woman ahead of her time/who paved the way for gender equality. Bongwhan will say "fuck this" to the Blue House and open an extremely successful Joseon cuisine restaurant.

Idk about the couple, but I don't think they're going to die. I do see them either stepping down and doing their own thing, or they fake their deaths and do their own thing anyway. They've already planted this with the comment that Cheoljong is way happier outside the palace and if everything goes to shit the queen could just open a gukbap restaurant, lmfao.

I would be delighted if Soyong and Bongwhan even separated are not totally themselves and a blend of each other by the end, and if they're brave and bring Cheoljong back, reincarnated for Bongwhan to meet in the present day (like in GPG) I'd love that but I can see them making Cheoljong a girl to make it less queer, smh.

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This was a lovely write up and I enjoyed your predictions.

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If they indeed change history and all including Chief Han not existing doesn't that mean that the "present" is already changed and Bong Hwan shouldn't even be now in a coma...

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ohhhhh... interesting...
Me personally though, I think the writer would stick close to recorded history. There was a scene where CJ described his nightmare to SoBong, he's an old & incompetent dying man reaching out to his past self wishing he did more. But, history said CJ died in his early 30s. And, the preview quoted CJ saying if he tries to live, everyone else dies so he's gonna confront things alone. I believe he's going to fake his death, maybe by poison because history said CJ died by illness.

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Reading the history of our couple scared me a lot and really, I dont know how the writer would handle that part(that's what gives me wet feets - the end of this drama) cause its history that can't be changed and IMO, really felt for CheolJung and So Bong.
I hope the writer writes the show as a Lachesis

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EH, idk. It's slated as a fusion sageuk, and other sageuks before have completely gone into "What if?" territory, the biggest being MDUC most recently when Prince Yeong, who is famous for being the last hope the Lees had at a successful monarch, lives on as a just king with his romance book writing crossdressing girlfriend. In Rookie Historian as well the royal family are based on real figures but the plot plays with "well what if women COULD enter the civil service and what if we didn't kill donghak sympathisers?".

I agree with your point about CJ's dream, and they very rarely waste anything in this drama (even though its meaning doesn't come to light until much later). I just don't think it's going to go fully Moon Lovers because it's a romcom/comedy and it would be such a weird tonal shift.

I def agree he's going to fake his death at some point!

CJ was reported to die of illness IRL which is plausible because he was a hard drinker, but there's also a pretty popular theory the Andong Kims did away with him so they could pave the way for a section of the royal family who agreed with them/had sympathies with Japanese expansion- which lead to Gojong, husband of the infamous Empress Min, which is why I'm still thinking they MIGHT go down the alt history route because after CJ it was pretty much the nail in the coffin for Joseon, as it was so corrupt on the inside and had sharks circling the water from the outside (Japan, the USA, Britain, China), taking advantage of the monarchy crumlbling.

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@byzantines you got a point there about it going the "what ifs" territory since this is a rom/com/fantasy. I wonder though how they are going to tie this up with Bong Hwan's timeline if they do take an alternative course... Well! I guess that's one of the interesting things about this show, we never could quite predict where it's headed hehe, I just want a happy ending for the good guys, a just ending for the bad guys, and the show closing on a high note 😁

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Hey so I've not watched this because I was scared they would handle the LBGTQ+ implications badly - it seems like such an interesting drama but I just don't want to see any homophobia...

Did the drama do a good job at being respectful towards our community? 🤔
Because I might just go binge the drama now if they did it well :)

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I saw many positive comments from the LGBT+ community, around..I'm not sure I can really judge myself, but to me it feels like they're doing a good job in dealing with the topic. It's still pretty subtle, overall, imo..
Since the drama is not done yet, we can't know how well they'll resolve the story..but I think it's a pretty safe watch till now.
Just my personal take ^^

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as a queer person, i will say i am personally really enjoying this drama and do not find it homophobic. it’s not overtly queer (most of the time) in execution or themes but it isn’t particularly offensive or insensitive either. however, since this is ongoing, i cannot say that things can’t change - for better or worse.

also, a very important point, i do not speak for other lgbt+ and queer folks. everyone is free to have their own opinions about portrayals of queerness (mostly, the lack thereof imo) in this show and i am sure there is valid criticism to be found.

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Thanks @cubely & @ladynightshade
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That sounds really promising! Maybe I should give it a try then....

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I loved SY and CJ’s nightly political lessons 🥰 a little sad it took over “ramyeon” but I think a meeting of the minds is more intimate.

Funny hijinks: Court Lady Choi and the Royal Chef in the bamboo groves (btw, chef’s long and silky hair is... 🤣🤣🤣), queen’s military training and quest for revenge, and ofc the pregnancy reveal.

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My only problem with the hair is that you could see where the wig started, but it did make me laugh, he wanted to show off his ribbon.

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Hahaha yes. I think that was intentional comedy tho. I kinda looked like he had a mullet. LOL. A Joseon mullet! Now that's a first!

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I totally adore So Bong as Lee Saeng Mang and her bikering with Director Hong,in some ways he really is like Bong Hwan...This two would make such a duo...
It would be hilarious if we'll get another Choi Jin Hyuk cameo in Joseon as one of her ancestors and So Bong going all over the looks etc. with Choljong by her side ...
Waiting also when the little naive Kim Hwan realizes who his self labeled best friend is...I also think Choljong doesn't know he is So Bong's cousin...

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I died at the introduction of Jong-cheol ><
So-bong + Director Hong is definitely in sync, and so funny that Hwan appearance forced them to gamble all the time; the band of brothers feels with So-bong giving them nicknames is just so heartwarming.

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Me too,even more when he was firstly annoyed that she relegated him as "buddy" without realizing in the moment she was a "he"...Also brilliant how So Bong inversed his name to make up his new persona jjaja
Must say that i was a bit disappointed that they didn't actually tried to ask Hwan info about Byeong In after as he saw him so many times after as he sure isin't the more bringht one...

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That snore while So Bong was piecing together how the ledger got into her chambers got me laughing so hard I had to hit pause!

Love this show so much because So Bong's character deals with the challenges head-on, no dwelling on self pity or depression, or being paralyzed by worries or unverified infos. He's angry when angry, disappointed when disappointed, but was not ruled by those emotions. And, frankly, he was like a bear poked a number of times, and now he's awake and ready to wreak havoc hahaha! How fun is So Bong on a rampage hehehe

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BI is turning out to be a huge villain.. that is sad.. I had high hopes for his character

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I am loving this drama. Finally a remake that's better than the original. I was extremely disappointed with the endings (all three of them) to Go Princess Go and just hope that this drama gives us the truly happy ending that the novel had.

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How did the novel end, if I may ask?

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The storylines in the novel are different from the k-drama (the storylines in the Chinese drama Go Princess Go are closer to the novel except for its ending). In the novel the heroine (who was a male chef in modern day the same as in the drama) transmigrates into the body of the Crown Princess (the hero at that time was the Crown Prince but later becomes the Emperor). He does try to kill her in the novel so she is never 100% trustful of the hero especially once he becomes the Emperor since he has life or death control over her. After many years of marriage (and 5 children) the hero fakes his death but once his oldest son is established as the new Emperor the hero returns to the heroine saying that he will now live the rest of his life as the heroine's husband and not as her Emperor. When she thought that the hero was dead the heroine became extremely depressed and refused to leave her bed for months. She happily reunites with the hero and informs him that they have a sixth child on the way. In the novel heroine never returns to modern day (unlike the endings of Go Princess Go) but always remains in the past with the hero.

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The novel that Mr Queen is based upon has been fully translated into English. It's called the "The Promotional Record of a Crown Princess"

Here is a link to the novel:
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/the-promotion-record-of-a-crown-princess/

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Thank you.

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i didnt watch go go princess but it has 3 endings? why? imagine having that many endings but still not up to expectations....

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Spoilers on Go Princess Go

Go Princess Go was a very low budget web drama - I think after it aired the government censored some of the scenes but I watched it while it was originally airing so what I watched was the uncensored version

And yes, the drama provided 3 different endings. The second ending was added after they received such negative feedback from the first ending and the third ending was so odd and confusing I'm not sure it even counted as an ending.

In the first ending, the hero is killed and the heroine returns to modern day back into her original male form.

In the second ending, the heroine returns to modern day in her male form and the hero is one of the doctors at the hospital where the heroine (played by the original male actor) is a patient. They stop and stare at each other in the hallway not saying anything. Not clear if the hero even recognizes the heroine in her current form.

The third ending is even weirder (and wasn't subbed so maybe it wouldn't have been as confusing if I had known what the actors were saying) - hero/heroine are filming a scene, scene ends and the film crew and actors interact, then flashes to hero/heroine kissing with the hero/heroine's clothing changing from historical to modern day clothes. Final scene is the scene design disappearing and the hero/heroine are kissing standing outside on the sidewalk in modern day. As I said, odd and confusing at best as it bore no relationship to the drama storyline itself.

I watched this drama years ago so I don't know what version of the drama and what endings are even still available to see.

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wow... it gets crazier the more I read it 😂😂

i hope mr queen wont go down this route. just gives us 1 ending and face the consequences, whether viewers will like it or hate it

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The drama (censored version) & first 2 endings are available on Youtube. 3rd ending is also there but not with the rest & super hard to find. However, I can roughly tell you what they said. When the heroine first is on the set, she frantically looks around calling hero's name. She finds him & is about to kiss him when the director yells at them. She says "Sorry, sorry" & drags hero off set. At studio door, hero asks "What did that man say?". She replies "He said get off my set & go kiss somewhere else." then the final scene. There is also another video which may have been a teaser for the aborted 2nd season. Hero & heroine are in a bookshop, he's reading a serious book & she picks up a romance novel & starts reading a love scene out loud. Hero says "Nonsense' just like he often did in the drama when he didn't get what she was saying. they argue & end up doing a cosplay sword fight.

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I haven't watched ep 16, so all I want to point out is that I love Kim Hwan for saying: "Giving up my feelings cleanly is also part of love, isn't it?"

WHY THE COUSIN DOESN'T GET THAT? I wish he was in that scene, so he would reliaze what kind of creep he is and that he needs to STOP.

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Last week's episodes made me love Kim Hwan, he's the voice of reason for Byeongin, he's hilarious, and I like that we've gotten more hints to exactly wtf his role is in all this.

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Wonder whether show still has plans for Hwan and he'll somehow save the day..? Have also been wondering what in the world this crybaby point is, but he does grow more endearing with time!

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Kim Hwan will probably be the bridge between Byung In and the king, because Byung In is more humane and relaxed around Kim Hwan. Moreover, Kim Hwan did mention to Byung In that the king could be a good guy

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Think the King and Byung In need a verbal confrontation to spill all out as they both clearly misjugudge to other or their motivations...

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I look forward to the royal baby, but also terrified of the episodes to come. Don't fuck with the no-touch family!!! It felt sooo satisfying to see The Queen put those bitches in their place, also, instead of BI take his revenge on his father, the Grand Queen Dowager & the Queen Dowager, he's making these ridiculous, short-lived alliances with the REAL ENEMIES!!

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Love this drama....forever-ever-everrrrrrrrr~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kim Jung Hyun is a great singer too...just found a clip from Youtube. Oh my...heart....

Lady Choi can dance really well! just saw the clip from SBS Running Man...

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Thank you for the information, have just watched the episode and her dancing was amazing!

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she is fab!!!!! i couldnt imagine. even the running man casts were pleasantly surprised. love her.

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I’ve been meaning to watch Mr. Queen after watching the teasers but Run On caught me off of my feet and could not find myself to watch another show. Since it’s over, I was planning to savour the episodes of Mr. Queen but I ended up watching everything including ep17, that’s still currently raw.

Love love our OTP! SHS & KJH’s chemistry is over the roof! I love every moment they’re on screen and all praise to both of them for laying these characters so well.

Never liked BI from the beginning. His reasons may have been valid before (The King did try to kill So-bong) but now it’s just borderline possessive and delusional.

That Prince lying to Cheoljong will definitely break his heart and I certainly hope that he will not betray him for the sake of Hwajin.

So Bong is pregnant and can’t wait to hear more of his (?) inner conflicts!

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