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Drama Hangout: River Where the Moon Rises

This is one drama I thought might be on a break for a little while. After all, having your lead actor replaced and re-filming more than half the episodes is no small feat. River Where the Moon Rises managed to accomplish what seemed impossible; they’ve managed to bring in a new lead and continue with their broadcast as scheduled.

The cast and crew pulled off something incredible despite being in the middle of a difficult (and probably stressful) situation. That said, we’ve made the decision to stop the weecaps for River Where the Moon Rises. This wasn’t an easy call and we hope that the Drama Hangout will lessen the sting a bit.

Think of this open thread as your very own Ghost Valley community where you can talk all about our Goguryeo residents.

Spoilers may be rife, so Beanie beware.

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it was so sudden, the replacement, that it was a bit of a shock to the senses in ep 7... but they only included a few scenes, so maybe we'll be able to adjust/adapt slowly.

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EPISODE 7 AND 8

The good:
Mo Young is a Silla Spy and we spent almost an entire half episode on her and her backstory and I, who is completely not at all Silla Bias, nope, couldn’t be happier. Especially since she is my favourite character. I love her. Her motivations are entirely selfish and she will gladly use anyone in any way to get what she wants, and she’s on nobody’s side except her own and her country’s, and the reveal, although some of us guessed it, just makes me ship my crack ship THAT MUCH MORE because now, now it’s a forbidden romance with the enemy.

The bad:
Sometimes I wish I could live video react to stuff because I swear if you all could see my face at the end of episode 8…
Can I … can I rant? That’s not really a question; I’m gonna rant.

1. Why am I still watching this show? Oh right, for my sinking crack ship…
2. Red Herring but, whenever I see a drone or helicopter shot of people riding horses my mind immediately goes to Flight to the Ford from LOTR and how many film techniques in that changed the face of film forever.
3. This show has a … kind of shit… soundtrack… or else I just don’t know what it’s trying to achieve. Why would you have distorted guitar and synth over plain talking set up to an action piece? That feels so wrong. It doesn’t fit. The music doesn’t even set the scene or the tone, it’s just there and it’s super rock and hype… and jarring. (the scene in question is the cut after the horses to the girls in Sqwirrel Pass)
4. You know I was actually into the fact that the Silla Lord got his bluff called that he wouldn’t slit the girl’s throat cos she was too valuable, and then just frakking did it anyway… and then I proceeded to not at all understand why they gave up and ran away… the girls outnumbered them I guess? But like if you’re gonna loose them why not just… kill them. Weird ass confrontation that didn’t really make any kind of statement, or make much sense, yet again -___-
5. We’re really spending that much screen time on a TERTIARY ROMANTIC PAIRING nobody, and I repeat, nobody cares about huh… we’re really doing that.
Great… I wasn’t grimacing. At all. During either scene.
6. The assassins in this show are so incompetent, as a fellow assassin, it’s honestly embarrassing.
7. It’s hard to judge anything re. Dal right now because it’s clear they had to cut a bunch of crap and filmed the bare minimum to make their edits work but there was so much information missing because of it… why is he helping the Incompetent Goturk Twins find … what exactly? An unknown location? Where the other “assassins” are? Why is that important? Why are the assassins setting up fortune telling shop? To lure our the king to kill him?? Seriously these assassins suck so much at their job, I do not know why they’re still here in the show, and/or relevant. Why was Dal in the Herb Store when Go Geon arrive to hold a sword to his lover’s Mo Young’s neck?

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8. I need help because I was so much more into Mo young looking defiantly at Geon and telling him to slit her throat and cut out her tongue, that I was into any other part of this episode. Help me. Please.
9. Is it second lead syndrome if you ship the second LEADS plural together in a doomed romance?
10. Insert some rant about how this is just a corporate corruption drama in sageuk form YAWN but this time with slavery
11. GAH GEON LOVING PYEONGGANG (romantically) IS SO BORING.
12. Maybe, in some other story, I wouldn’t be against arranged marriage tropes, if handled well. So… Why does it feel like they’re having to force their own plot every episode.
Wait- can someone remind me of what the long term plot actually IS? *eyeroll*
13. Show proceeds to commit character assassination in a record run time at episode 8/20 with their second most interesting character, because of, wait for it, jealousy.
14. *pinches bridge of nose*
15. Not only is Geon loving the princess just a really boring take, not only is it utterly unnecessary for not only this plot line to actually happen, if it must happen at all, but also just in general, it is now the basis for the show to completely straight up murder his character writing. *slow claps*.
I am not happy.
”If there is someone I strongly desire, I must have her, even if that means I must use force”
Like DUDE.
First of all, why should I care one measly iota about your love for Pyeonggang? Because, like every other emotional conflict in this show it has pretty much no set up.
Secondly, you go from being on her side, and wanting to show her your loyalty and trustworthiness, to wanting to force yourself onto her and side with your father in the space of ONE conversation, and WHY??? Because she rejected you because she’s in love with the Fool.
I do not believe this is in character at all; it cheapens Geon as a character, it’s petty, unnecessary and completely uninteresting as both as a character development device and as a conflict and as is in my nature, I would like to throw something now, please.

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You have my total support for 8, 9, 13, 14 and 15.
In fact I agree with 9 at 200%.

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I came to write exactly this. Lol. I was finding it hard care about the episode because Geon has FAR more chemistry with 2FL than FL. Why waste air time? SIGH, I may be done next week if I find myself not caring anymore.

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And somehow, he still has more chemistry with the FL than Dal...

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Amen. This is just so...unnecessary. And boring. And headache inducing because of the eye-rolling....

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I feel like we should be doing a group watch on Discord/Kosmi of this because I WOULD PAY to see your scrunched up face and hear you rant.

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LOL maybe I should charge for that then... lmao
I could totally do a live VC watch of it though...

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Ally, we are actually rewatching on Fridays, at about 18:30 GMT, if you want to join.

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F--fridays... so not Fridays so... Gyahhhh 730 in the morning on Saturday ... hmmm at least it's not 520 am... maybe maybe I could do that...

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Rewatching? But why? Once wasn't enough pain ? :p

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We watch both episodes so maybe you can join for the second one.
And @kurama we actually don’t really watch but comment on how the drama should be and how hot herbalist abs hot general should use a wall, table or even the floor to make things clear between them.

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@eazal After the general becoming stupid, how high are the chances that the herborist will try to kill Ga Jin either by jealousy either to try to protect Geon?

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@kurama very little, and I foresee most of them will die one way or another, but not before hot and hot realise they’re in luuuuuuuuuuuuuv 😂😊😎

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Oooh, that’s actually perfect for me this week.

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I don't actually know if I can do this week- mainly because really, I do not care to rewatch at all- but maybe I will join next week to make it more bearable. I will see.

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I wish I could like your comment ×10000. I don't know why I am still watching this drama to be honest. So much potential going down the drain with every episode.

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I'm terribly embarrassed for most of the assassins, except many of them aren't really choosing the life so you get what you pay for?

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I think this show was doomed long before the horribly done switcheroo (and will this kind of splicing in the new guy continue?).

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I mean if we want to be cynics about it, it was doomed before it began, but we all started it anyway cos we're punks for 3kingdoms like that I guess.

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8 - you are such a *die hard* romantic!

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Always and forever... *finger hearts* Romantic with a capital R.

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But what's boring for YOU is not boring for EVERYONE ELSE so stop making it sound like anyone but you cares about the things that YOU care about! Don't deliver them like they're fact when they are NOT!

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Except that apparently other people DO care about the things I care about... lol

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I am done. I've last this long for Goguryeo, Kim So-hyun and Lee Ji-hoon.
I'm going to erase this version of Gyeru tribe in my memory.

In the future I'd love to see Kim So-hyun with some of her fellow child actors for a sageuk.
Yeo Jin-goo, the younger Lee Min-ho aka Kim Tae-ri, Noh Young-hak, Lee Hyun-woo, Park Gun-tae, Kwak Dong-yeon, Park Ji-bin, Chae Sang-woo, Choi Woo-shik, Kim Min-jae, Yoo Seung-ho and Lee David. That's all I can remember.

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We’ll mis you! I wish the same though.

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I'm barely hanging on.

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I should drop this Kiara, I really REALLY SHOULD- everything is telling me to drop it... and yet I'm probably gonna watch next weeks episodes on 2x speed with liberal ffwding...
(Your dream cast is FIRE THOUGH)

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This is not my Goguryeo 😭.

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You haven't ranted enough about the music.
Awful and untimely is not enough.
Please, elaborate, because I need someone else to articulate how terrible both the OST and the BGM are.
In my country we would say that it was chosen by the brother in law of someone powerful (literal translation here).
Right now, if I drop the drama it will because of the terrible music.

Second, but not less important. I hate when people are not professional, and the assassins in this drama are too amateur to even be an organization. I'm utterly disappointed by all of them.

Third, the "I will cut your throat" (again) is a clearly sign of I want to get off, but he still stubbornly thinks he loves the Princess. Booo.

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I'm right there with you on the music @eazal It's some of the worst I've heard. There is no connection with the drama. It's like someone decided to use their weird and distasteful playlist instead of having a real composer in charge.

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Disclaimer: Sic is definitely not at all a Silla Spy and is completely and totally trustworthy in anything and everything she has to say.
Totally. Completely. Yeahp. ;)

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Correct. Sic is technically a Silla assassin.

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See? Not a Silla Spy... :P

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Seeing Na In Woo shoehorned in was such an akward viewing experience. They clearly got him dressed up, stuck him in front of a green screen and had him do all his lines at one single angle with the direction: "Now make a confused face. Now smile.". Everytime they actually showed On Dal in the scene with another character, it was clearly still Ji Soo. Like, good on them for working so hard, but I wouldn't have minded if they had just used Ji Soo's footage for two (or even four) more episodes, while catching up. The way they did it, it took me out of the drama. I constantly went: "Oh look, there is Ji Soo's back, and there is the back of his head, and there he there he is standing barely out of frame." Hope it gets better.

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it was distracting, to say the least... i hope we forget after a couple episodes...

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Unless this is the plan for the next episodes too?

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If it is, I truly may not last. I'm willing to look the other way for this week due to The Situation, but if they've reshot the entire show like that...no, thank you. I already had one foot out the door before the drama got blown out from underneath us.

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@waterbottle The "shoehorned" work with this drama reminds me of a few years back when Ji Soo had become very ill and had to be hospitalized and operated on to remove parts of his leg bone that had died. He was filming a drama then and they had to "shoehorn" back and forth between Ji Soo and a "double" because Ji Soo was leaving the hospital every day to film and then going back to the hospital at night. But he couldn't walk unaided and shots of him were ones where he was sitting down or in bed. The body double were the shots from the back and walking. It is opposite of what needs done with this drama as here his face needs hidden. I forget the name of the drama, maybe "Fantastic"??

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Also, now that On Dal is in the story so little with a lesser known actor portraying him, I started shipping Pyonggang with Go Geon hard. Really hoping he will redeem himself from his slip in episode 6 and grow into a proper love interest. Lee Ji Hoon is certainly up to th task and he is know the more well known and (maybe also) capable of the two male leads. Come on show, make it happen!

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Since those (few???) of us who stick around are apparently going to be treated to a few weeks of scenes with footage just filmed with the new guy hastily spliced into footage filmed weeks before...

... If your lifelong ambition has been to play "Spot the Continuity Error", now's your chance to rack up a huge score.

I won't be playing because I'll be too busy trying to figure out what term we should use in the digital era instead of "footage".

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I've been enjoying the continuity error so far. It may be the reason I watch and not play Candy Crush unless GoYongCouple is on screen.

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Still "footage". It's kind of like how many things still use a floppy disk as the save icon, a hook phone as a phone or call icon, and a literal manila folder file as a documents file icon.
There are terms which have their origins in old technology that we still use for the modern versions of that technology because that's just how language works.
I would give you more examples except I am completely blanking on any and all right now gahhhhhhhhhh I just know they exist lol

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We still “hang up” the phone when we disconnect a call with someone, but my kids don’t understand that idiom at all.

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Thank you for one of the examples that I was completely blanking on.

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I have another one that is going to be obsolete in the near future. We “step on the gas!” to accelerate a car, but with electric cars becoming more popular, and gas/petrol going by the wayside, it won’t make much sense.

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But will it still be used for some time despite that? Oh yeah.

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I find Na In Woo's scenes very distracting at the moment. You can tell that the scenes still contain Jisoo but then they plug in his face/frontal whenever they view his face and he just got this frown/confused look in the few scenes he did appear. It's weird right now. I hope the editing will be better later. I mean, they are doing an awesome job at such short notice.

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I thought the exact same thing at certain moments

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These sets of episodes were just awful, terrible, no good, and very bad. I’m just nodding agreeing with everyone here. I thought Sisyphus would be my ride or die show, but it may be this one. (I’m actually enjoying the former right now.) Here’s hoping things get
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It's over a third of the way through. It's not getting better.

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Well, I’m giving the first 8 episodes a pass, grading on a curve for the rest.

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i watched episode 7 and I am done. I really wanted to give the drama another chance but i just can't get my head around the new ML. I didn't like him in Mr queen at all, and he doesn't carry the presence or goofiness that is needed for the character. He just looks sullen all the time which is what put me off in his character in his other drama. Kim So-Hyun is doing great like always, but she is not enough to carry the full drama.

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Honestly, the change of actor is only a detail in this mess.

I don't really care about the characters. I'm frustrated by myself, I think I should love Ga Jin, she's a badass princess who sneaks out to make justice the night... But I can't help myself to find her unsympathetic... She always looks angry or sulking and doesn't seem to think a lot before acting. At the point, a story about her mum would have been more interesting.

For Ondal, it's kinda hard to judge. Every scene with him was close-ups on his face not to show that he doen't share the same space with the others characters. I pity the actor who had to try to act with almost no lines...

The music is so bad. I miss the old classical sageuk songs. I still listen Warrior Baek Dong So, even if I didn't like the lead character :p

The fights are disapointing too. They made of close-ups, so it hurts my eyes and it's the actors making cool moves without a real choreography.

The last sageuk I liked was My Country. The fight scenes were really cool.

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I don't feel anything towards GaJin, and it's not a problem about the actress, but with the writing. Her whole speech about the one who does bad things needs to be punished is so funny considering she's was assassin until a couple of weeks ago, and that her friends are assassins and all that stuff... by her moral and standards all of them should be punished.

The editing was bad and I just hope Na In Wa can adapt to the character and get into it soon. I hate to say it, but JiSoo was doing a great job as Ondal.

I won't say anything more about the horrible music, just in case it gets worse.

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(I also laughed at Pyeonggang's supposed moral superiority lol)
This is what I was talking about when I said this thing has to force it's own plot and I don't know what the overall plot even IS:
What is Pyeonggang's goal? Why is it her goal? Both right now immediately and in the future? Revenge for her Mother? To be Taewang like she always said? But again I have to ask what was the POINT of the assassin subplot/backstory if it has no effect whatsoever on her as a character, except to be the reason why she can fight? She doesn't have to have been an assassin to fight- she could've found the Monk-That-Is-Not-Her-Father just fine and lived in seclusion with him training till he decided it was now time for her to claim her rightful place as princess (or is that too... TWDR meets LOTR lol). She didn't have to lose her memory- and if it has no emotional consequences what was event he point?
Didn't she come back to be princess in order to save Dal's life? Primarily?
She seems to just move through the plot because the plot demands it not because it has any weight or reasoning behind it (ohoho who does that remind me of, Arthdal?)-- correct me if I'm wrong but do they even know Lady Hae is sometimes but not always in cahoots with Gochuga? Or are they just targeting her cos "Silla maybe, drugging king maybe"?
The bad guys just want bad guy stuff: id est to be in control and have power (and money maybe?), which like fine, but it might be the most boring shallow rendition of that.
(Which is partly why Mo Young is INTERESTING because her motives aren't just power and control and she's willing to change "sides" to whatever suits her best. Sure, even she isn't written that well but she's a shittone of a lot more compelling than everyone else.)

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They made her loose her memories so that she is not held accountable for her crimes and can be the perfect Princess. Now, why an assassin, I don't know... It sounded cool?

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Or they could just not have her commit the crimes in the first place...

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If she wanted to avenge her mother, why is she so fond (apparently) of her father. She knows it was her father who ordered her death and she knows he suspected she was not his daughter... so... why all the “you are the king and should behave like a king” stuff, when he’s been drunk and drugged for the last 8 years (and now not a trace of any abstinence syndrome, wow). Actors are definitely doing an amazing job with the very little they are given.

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what's a clear and coherent motivation Eazal, I dinnae ken.

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My country was the last sageuk I liked as well. I really liked it.

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I cried like a baby at the end 😭

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Nothing beat our stabby OTP ❤️.

I've learned to accept this bittersweet ending as some kind of beautiful because it makes the most sense when it comes to true brotherhood and friendship.
They've always saved each other no matter which sides they are fighting for.

I cried a bucket of tears before the gate closed.

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I really liked this end. After all what happened, it was too late to live a happy life. They made a choice and they assumed it until the end.

It was beautiful and the scene with the door closing...

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And the music was good too!!! https://youtu.be/ZEBiM2DvIvg
Funny how we’re using this recap to reminisce about actual good sageuks.

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That one in on my playlist too @ally-le.
I have a collection from previous sageuks. "CHUNO" was the most rebellious of them all with rap music but it worked so well.
Every time I listen to it makes me want to watch the whole show again.

MC Sniper ❤️.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjU-cwWEsMs&ab_channel=OSTDrama

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@kiara Faith had MC Sniper too! It's funny how some songs left their mark on me more than the actual drama :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C2Hvdrnpso&ab_channel=dramafever1983

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Look at what you've started CHUNO lol.
That is on my playlist too and Mask Dance from "ARANG."
Lee Junki beating up the baddies with his magic fan was so fun to watch because he did all his stunts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJz_aFnDL-Q&ab_channel=Yozohhh10%28Season2%29

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Our Stabby OTP. 😭

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I haven't seen My Country but the OST is awesome and I love it lmao

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@sicarius You'd get a kick out of the stabbiness and the regenerative healing abilities (and maybe the abs) displayed by our Stabby OTP.

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@ndlessjoie
As someone suggested on another thread, perhaps there should be special acting awards for the most expressive Abs.

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NOKDU FLOWER was on a league of it's own. I pledged my loyalty to writer Jung and PD Shin so I'm looking forward to "Joseon Excorcist."

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Let me know what it's like. I think I might be too squeamish for this one.

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@ndlessjoie mugyuljoie is preciousss

We can just watch it with lights on or during the day 😂.
I'm not a big fan of supernatural/sci-fi sageuks at all but when it's done right like "JOSEON X-FILES" then it's worth it.

I have a good feeling about this 🤞🏽.

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@sicarius My Country also had my “man with the fan” Jang Hyuk as Bang Won. He does sageuk so well too!

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Also, abs.

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I think big abs makes a man look like a walking crab 🦀.

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But moderation is always a good idea.

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I forgot to say something about the music—@eazal. One of the main reasons I got into sageuks was because of the music. First sageuk I ever saw was Jackpot/ Royal gambler. There was lots wrong with it—the female lead was so stiff, they killed her off early to the villain who never died, and the story was forced—but I loved the music (https://youtu.be/phunpHRVocg). I love the sweeping orchestral arrangements, the really poignant emotional moments made more so with a solo vocalist singing her heart out behind it. Not here though. I’m fine with my music being a bit predictable, it’s what drew me to this genre.

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That writer drove me nuts but I’m still listening to the ost from his two frustrating sageuks, WARRIOR BAEK DONG SOO and JACKPOT.

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I wonder if he had any say on who composes his OSTs? Because he hit the “jackpot” with both of them. 😂

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I think that had the same music  people working on both dramas.
MrX usually has the detailed info on drama production but sadly he is not around any more.

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Warrior Baek Dong Soo had better and interesting villains than heroes, Choi Min-soo 😍

I'm still listening Warrior's OST. It really suited this drama, the epic part.

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Choi Min-soo makes any drama interesting ❤️.
"Goyeo" is one of my favorite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpAfa0XaGzw&ab_channel=123Koizora123
Look at our sageuk babies ❤️.
Yeo Jin-goo, Park Gun-tae and Yoo Seung-ho was totally beautiful in this show. Best mane of glory!

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I haven’t watched so many sageuks but I never felt music was so out of place as in this one.
For instance, I loved the music in Six Flying Dragons and how epic the rock music was during some fights. Or in Moon Lovers (I’ve never finished this one) the music never felt out of place.
But here, it’s just painful.

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I never finished moon lovers either, but its soundtrack is on my playlist! That’s how good the music is.

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Same @eazal

I think this era would have benefit from a more traditional and original soundtrack like SFD.
"Muiija" was like Goryeo's unofficial national anthem and the way it was sang and later combined with the orchestra version was like the final harrah for the end of an era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmasA7N2BAc&ab_channel=SBSDrama

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All this talk about the terrible soundtrack made me go write a new one for the drama. Here is is if anyone is interested! If you're still watiching this, maybe you can imagine something similar instead of what is actually there!

1. On-dal and the princess
2. General Go Geun's theme
3. The Silla Spy
4. Stereotypical evil

https://youtu.be/BfwfhiX7dEw

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5. A Tender Moment

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Well, I tried. I really did, but this is where I stop with this one. I share the same sentiments with many of the Beanies here. Initially it did seem to have all the elements for a successful sageuk. It's a shame how things turned out.

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It must have been really bad for Korfan to drop it. 🤔

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It's pretty bad.

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I've decided to give up too. I'll trade it for LMK and Nana's new adventure. Sorry @sicarius and @wishfultoki but it just didn't hold my attention.

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Don't apologise. I'm only hanging on because I'm channeling my 2019 levels of masochism.

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Ah, yes. 2019. The Year That Broke Us.

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I've never been the same since.

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No problem preciouss. You can watch FULL HOUSE TAKE 2.

I will catch up with Sic's fanwall posts when I get back, so beware a flood of notifications.

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Full House 2 sounds like a good summer watch.

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This week's episode showed how Ga-jin is completely out of her depth in the palace. I'm suprised that she hasn't tried to find people loyal to her in the palace or starting spying on the enemies. Wasn't she trained to stalk her victims and assess the situation.
Surely her next move should be to get rid of the current queen who plotted against her mother? Doesn't she remember that? Geon, I'm surprised he is a general because he has been outwitted every single time.
I feel bad for the king though, he is powerless to protect his children.

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She needs the little girl in palace to tell her what’s going on 🙄

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Only explanation I can come up with the palace has some kind of power that reduces Ga-jin's IQ. Even when she was little she heard evil general and queen plotting something and failed to inform her mother. Palace is her own kryptonite.

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What's the matter with Kim S0-Hyun? She has TERRIBLE taste in men!

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Quite random so bare with me but i just can't take seriously some scenes as soon as i hear the main evil guy's name "Gochuga" as i right away think of hot peppers for some reason LOL

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Don't know about others but i really like In Woo as On Dal,of course it gives a different vibe that Jisoo's(that was more foolish and arrogant) but that it's unavoidable,each actor has it's own charisma...Even so i like him and find him really manly and yet endering...Also i think he is suited for when he will become a General...He looks like a big teddy bear when he is with Ga Jin,they are so awkward,i just can't!!!I also think In Woo has chemistry with So Hyun even more considering they work for like days,i think it will get even better with time as they become even more familiar and comfortable...

I take is that the King took the chance that Ga Jin gave him in that moment and did the best in his own way to protect his daugther even if the method was disowning her in front of the Council.Even if they didn't have a formal wedding in my eyes somehow they became married even more if it started with a lie we all know in the end they both like each other and saw it as real...I felt sad for Won as he was left all alone surronded by all this wolves...
Quite curious to see what Ga Jin plan will be and were will she be gathering her own army as the Suno Tribe sure isin't enough and don't even know if the few men there truly want war...

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I totally agree with you about NIW.
I was so worried about it, given how bad it felt all the editing in last week’s episodes, but they do have a nice chemistry and the cabin scenes were really cute, and suited both characters.

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I was enjoying this show...but....*sigh* disappointed that I have to drop it. I was neutral about Na In Woo. And I hung on as I understand the difficulty of shoehorning his scenes in ep 7 & 8.

But after watching ep 9, sorry, nope...I just find his facial expressions super awkward like he is just trying way too hard? It’s rather painful to watch. Or perhaps he just doesn’t attract me LOL

And unfortunately the storyline is not enticing enough for me to overlook this and continue.

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Episode 9
Absolutely WILD that somehow your recast and your reshoots of one of the dryest OTP scripts ever, at 1.5x speed, has more on screen presence and chemistry than your original cast did or 6 whole episodes...
To be fair, it's not like they had to jump very high to get over their own low bar. And it's not like the script suddenly got better.
And and... I also did watch it at 1.5x speed. Which makes some things so much more bearable it is truly shocking it has taken me this long to utilize said feature. (In my defense, I, being an Evil Queen of Silla, only watch illegally, and I believe this is not a feature such sites have always had previously.)
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Today's biggest faux pas however, was that Mo Young treating Go Geon's wounds and Morning Flirting didn't take up the majority of the episode. As it should've.
Like, if you're going to feed into my fantasies at least, as a courtesy, give me more than 5 minutes tops.

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They gave you more than 5 minutes with episode 10, I think. At least a lot more scenes together. More imaginative fodder, I would think.

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Now that we've seen two full episodes with NIW not just shoe-horned in, I have to say that I've taken to him as On Dal and haven't had an adjustment problem to the new actor. @miky88 made a great comment about his "fool" energy vs Jisoo's, and I really see that: Jisoo came across a bit more like a jester at times, whereas NIW feels more like a amiable, slow-to-anger small-town guy who wouldn't hurt a fly. And actually, I think it's easier to believe that there's a champion general under all that slow-fuse congeniality.

I'm also very impressed by the chemistry between him and KSH - I can't imagine what a stressful, uncertain and trying time this has been for the whole cast, but particularly for an OTP. It's a very impressive thing NIW has done, stepping in like this to save the show from cancellation, and equally impressive what the cast has done rallying together. Honestly, this will probably be one of the more forgettable dramas of the year for me, but I'm happy for the cast and crew that they were able to salvage something decent from it.

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Glad to hear that he is making Ondal his own. I didn't care for the other so it sounds like this mess turns out to be a blessing.

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I totally agree. I already said I was liking Jisoo, but I found the OTP quite meh (no better word, sorry), but now that NIW has taken on On Dal and made it his, I find the OTP much more believable (I don't know if this expression makes sense, I'm literally translating from Spanish). They don't share the amazing chemistry uri GoYongWall couple has, but you can see how good they are together (the way they relate to each other sort of reminds me of CSW and PSH in Sisyphus).

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That's a good comparison - their chemistry is more similar to that of CSW and PSH in Sisyphus. It's not really heart-in-the-eyes or passionate, but it's solidly compatible and companionable - more of a glowing warmth vs the hot sparks of our beloved GoYongWall couple (may they be given more than 2.5 seconds together an episode going forward, please!).

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...amiable, slow-to-anger small-town guy who wouldn't hurt a fly. And actually, I think it's easier to believe that there's a champion general under all that slow-fuse congeniality.

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All of this! I love how you’ve described him. His build is also more “general-like.” He looks like a huge teddy bear who could turn into a grizzly if provoked enough.

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Yes, exactly!

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I'm totally aware the drama is about General OnDal and the Princess and that they are the OTP, but... can we change it an focus on what's important here: Go Geon and Mo Yong? Can we? Please? Because we all know it's going to be a tragedy at the end so I need to have more of them before my heart breaks into a million pieces.

She saved hi, he saved her. They know they can't trust the other, but... Gosh! I need more!!!!!

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Episode 11 - The Good Stuff

Pyeonggang seems to follow a concrete plan. That's always reassuring when it comes to a drama's direction.
Also, Na In Woo is surpassing my expectations. He not only fills the Ji Soo shaped hole in the production, but seems to have his own take on the role. I have completely warmed up to him, more than that, I find myself rooting for him. You go, Na In Dal!

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Episode 11 - The Bad

I didn't care one bit about the fallout (and for the matter the entire relationship) between new and improved On Dal and the deranged lady, who blinded herself to emotionally blackmail him into living the good country-bumpkin life. Also, when Pyeonggang called her mother, my mouth fell open. That woman has done nothing but wail and nag and push Dal to send Pyeonggang away and now Im supposed to buy some familial bond between the two?

Also, I've read it before in the comments somewhere and I agree that the little village girl is extremely annoying. She's just a) written like a caricature of an actual child and b) exckusively given setup dialogue for another character to react to or jump in with their own line. There's nothing human to her, she is just a lazy, talking writer's crutch.

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Episode 11 - The ???

The king telling Pyeonggang that her mother had "bad luck with her husband"
Like "Get it, Pyeonggang, because it was me and I ordered her killed, lol. Good luck with your man, though."

So. Awkward.

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EP 12 - Mo Yong's tears.... She showed that brief moment of vulnerability.

I must be a masochist for enjoying the slow burn torture between her and Geon. They had a good amount of scenes.

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You are not alone. They are the reason I watch... and that preview!

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I think the Princess is the weakest character. The writer couldn't choose between the badass assassin who manipules people around her to gain what she wants and the nice Princess who fell in love with Ondal. So now, we got a blank character instead. The directing is not so good as well. I don't like her fights, it looks fake, it's filmed either
very close or too fast. I don't think Kim So Hyun was ready for this role. She did great with the change of actor, they have a good chemistry. But she lacks some gravitas or presence for me.

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Princess is such a bad written character. Probably the worse of them all. The directing isn’t better, imo, even if actors are going an amazing job with the very little they are given (Big Bad, King and Queen are doing a very good job to make their characters believable).
Nonetheless I find On Dal and Princess nice together (nice as in puppies), and both PSH and NIW have a wonderful chemistry (like in puppies) together. But I really don’t care about what’s happening to them, because their story is so bad written...
What do I care? Go Geon and Mo Yong. Their story doesn’t make sense either and their character motivations are a mystery to me, but when their together... OMG! Temperature rises!

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Episode 12 - Give me all those Go Geon and Mo Yong scenes together.

LJH is that kind of actor that takes the best from any character. He proved that when he made his JaeHyeok human in Dinner Mate considering how awful the character was, and he’s doing it with General Go. Geon is not a well written character (well, as if there was any good written character in this drama...) and his motivations are totally unclear, but LJH plays it a way you can feel his concern, his love, his doubts, his suffering (this man knows how to suffer), there’s no single emotion on him that is not real.

So, Drama Gods, do as I’ve been asking ever since Dinner Mate ended: give him a damn leading role!

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Go Geon is a weathercock, he always changes his mind... But a charismatic and hot one xD

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That bloody ep 13 preview is gonna make me keep going for ANOTHER WEEK. The audacity.

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If anyone is still watching this, there is a discord watch today (and the last 2 weeks-😆) of the last 2 episodes. We pretty much just snark and I play my BGM over the parts of the soundtrack that are especially hideous. Trying to support the show; it is getting better. 1830 GMT https://app.kosmi.io/room/909bwr

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Yeah... good riddance. I held on for way too long and never liked you in the first place, so... bye!!!!!

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