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Drama Hangout: Bossam: Steal the Fate pt. 2

Bossam: Steal the Fate is just past its halfway point and we’ve heard your requests. It’s time to unveil…a new Drama Hangout!

A lot has happened since BA-WOO (Jung Il-woo) first carried out his bossam of Princess SOO-KYUNG (Yuri). From Soo-kyung’s in-laws faking her death rather than admit a kidnapping took place, to Prince GWANGHAE (Kim Tae-woo) trying to use his daughter’s fake death to score a political win, a lot has happened. (And I haven’t even touched on what we’ve learned about Ba-woo’s family and past.)

It’s been a whirlwind, with the story developing as quickly as Soo-kyung’s illustration career. Make yourself at home as you discuss all the latest kidnappings, alliances, and confessions. We hope you enjoy this new Drama Hangout as much as the first one.

Spoilers may be rife, so Beanie beware.

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Still really enjoying this one. The romance is a little on the slow side, but considering how they got here, it’s understandable. Definitely didn’t see the drawing erotica subplot coming.
They’re all growing on me more and more...except the palace politics players. But even that subplot isn’t dampening my mood as it usually does.

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I like the development of their relationship. Nothing is rushed, so I think it feels more believable.

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Agree!

The pace was just right from the very beginning. Ba-woo ya had to overcome his revenge demons first.
Now he is able to separate her from her father who was part of his family's destruction.

It broke my heart when she realized the truth and called herself the sinner.

(You know Confucian...I'm sick o you and your so called ideals). *prepares to be exiled for that comment*

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I just started this drama, just finished episode 2. But I know I will continue. I like the plot and I want to know where it's going to for Ba-woo and the Princess.

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My new crack drama. The subtitle never comes fast enough. It just delivers. Jung Ilwoo is so hot as ba woo, yuri is so regal as princess soo kyung. Court Lady Jo and and ba woo's best friend is so funny. How they utilities all the things that can only be done in sageuk drama is great. The palace politis subplot is not too much, and keep it related to our otp. The romance seems just flowing naturally. Just how staring at the moon together or how hand holding can be so romantic? Only in saguek.
Love it just like the classic sageuk drama that I remember. ♥️♥️♥️

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you summed all my sentiments so well in just one comment....❤️❤️❤️

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Someone mentioned it in the other thread I think....but that "thank you" scene was another great addition. It's the simple things in life.

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They don’t necessarily need grand Romantic gestures though they have had those as well and romantic declarations to understand each other. Just sitting with her made him calmer and rested;)

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Being an english speaker myself, I’m definitely in the camp of “Subs never fast enough.”

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i know i know... i never felt the angst of waiting for the subs this bad ever before.. hope we get it sooner in future.

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From Princess Hawkeye To Joseons own budding Danielle Steele and upcoming Now Go Ninja, Go Ninja, Go! Lady Style. What a heroine!

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“ Joseons own budding Danielle Steele ”

Who could have foreseen such a thing? Our Princess is certainly adapting to the shadows rather well!

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The princess is truly living her life. Being wrongly bossam-ed might be the best thing that ever happened to her.

I love how the regal heroine had fun scamming the rich to help the poor (and said she finally can help now because she's no longer a princess), found a new talent as a romance novelist & illustrator... And she even got the learn erotica! That scene with Nanny Jo was hilarious lol.

I was worried that the romance will be some sort of Stockholm Syndrome situation. But it's obvious that the bossam liberated the princess and she finds a better life as a commoner. It's understandable that she would be grateful to Bawoo.

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Im in the middle of ep. 7 so i dont know about the danielle steele plot yet; but i agree that this story is waaaay too close to romanticing stolckholm syndrome, until they let princess walk herself into the palace (and coming out on her own)

... and then mr. Bestfriend falls for Jo Sanggung. 🤪🙈🙉.

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thank you sooo very much....

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Thanks so much for this new space! Is Bossam beanies are extremely grateful!

I echo all the sentiments in this thread. Bossam is fun because it's a perfect balance of plot lines, comedy, romance, and relationships, etc. I adore slow burn romances and the final scene in episode 10 was beautiful. The handholding❤. Can't wait to see what's next!

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Yay, Bossam Beanies have a new home! Thank you @stroopwafel. 😊

For those who are new, this is where we discussed Episodes 1-8: https://www.dramabeans.com/2021/05/drama-hangout-bossam-steal-the-fate/ There are squeecaps (mini recaps) and invaluable historical notes. You just have to scroll through 496 comments to find them. Have fun!

And here's the link to Episode 9 squeecap and fanwall discussion: https://www.dramabeans.com/members/wishfultoki/activity/1234130/

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Episode 9 ending can be summed up "Can Ba-Woo ever catch a break?"

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Where is @ndlessjoie I miss her.

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Too much going on, which will sadly continue for at least a few more months.

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Fighting Muggy!

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*hugs*

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Yay!!!

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Most grateful for a place to share my love for Bossam with other Beanies. Kudos to @wishfultoki and @kiara for keeping the fires burning with squeecaps and historical insights.
In addition to our OTP's exchanging thank yous, gazing at the moon and desperate hand holding, I enjoyed the the long face read during BaWu's arrest. It did not go unnoticed by mopey bro-in-law and every time she cried out "Ba Wu-aaa" as he was being hauled away it looked like a knife in his heart. Will he redeem himself or will he join the dark side? Just one of the many subplots that have me riveted.

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Ba wu ya by uri Princess was shocking for Ba Wu but it was a bigger for dhurunnim.. his face was clearly showing his unhappiness, disappointment and heartbreak that he has no place in her heart now....
i am very apprehensive abt him remaining good till the end... but hoping he redeems himself eventually by helping Uri Lovebirds flee or save them from his Dad...

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That scene—I thought my heart was broken every time she cried out. Then came the last scene. 😭😭😭

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I think that the "Ba Wu-yah!" scene will achieve a classic status, if it has not already...

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damn i agree... its was normal scene till BW was being dragged but the moment that very first "Ba Wu - ya" came.. i had GOOSEBUMPS.. then second "Ba Wu ya" and literally i got tingling feeling on my arms just seeing BWs shocked face and his turning back and here i had tears in my eyes without even knowing why i am crying... this one scene had such big impact that i dint even expect.
His smile thru those struggling hands while he was still looking at her... gosh i wanted him to throw thise people aside, rush back to her and just hug her.... i was soooo desperate at that moment.
its indeed going to be a classic kind of love confession... no confession in words but how just by calling someone can be turned into one.... CLASSIC for sure.

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Mopey BIL is suuuuuuch a drag.

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Not only is he a drag, he is a loose cannon.

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Agreed. His role in this was surprising. Not only did he lack the courage to elope with the princess, but it's clear from his recent attitude that he has zero respect for her autonomy as a woman - everything is all "I know what's best for you." I actually loved it that she basically told him, "Yeah, you had your chance to be my love, but you rejected my desperate pleas for us to flee so that we could be together, and I wouldn't have to be forever stuck in a loveless marriage with your brother. But now, what you're offering me is too little, too late. I've moved on emotionally, and am in love with a REAL man, who - as Court Lady Jo says, "His butt is massive and his chest is firm. He is very solid!"

Now Dae-Yeob has betrayed her, and is trying to force her to live the life HE thinks she should have, plus his attitude is totally "If I can't have you, then nobody will have you." What a dickhead. I'm ready for him to die already.

BTW, is anyone besides me convinced that Dae-Yeob isn't really Lee Yi-Cheom's son, but is actually the son of Yi-Cheom's sister, Haeindang Lee? Maybe she got pregnant by someone that she couldn't marry for various reasons? I'm not sure why, but the vibe I get from her when she is fretting about him, and with him, is definitely a maternal one, not just an aunt. Could his real father be Prince Gwanghae? Who maybe has no idea, because Dae-Yeob was always passed off as Yi-Cheom's son? Wouldn't that be ironic - if Soo-Kyung ended up being his half-sister? Could explain why Yi-Cheom made sure that Dae-Yeob didn't marry the princess by telling the king that big whopper about him being impotent. Plus, he probably preferred that the princess marry his own son, rather than his actual nephew.

Just speculation, but based on the attitudes of Yi-Cheom, his prune-faced wife, and Haeindang Lee towards Dae-Yeob, I am highly suspicious that he is really Yi-Cheom's son.

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You know, I've had the same suspicions since the flashback scenes when they were kids. They had an instant rapport and mutual respect. Perfect trope-ish resolution to the love triangle, to be sure, but it's better than him being killed (maybe?). He's just a naive dufus but you're right - he's steeped in the patriarchy and can only see his own judgement. Even when SK says she's happy, he doesn't want to hear it. Love this show!

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😮 ooooooh! I totally think that DY is Auntie’s son but had not thought through the paternal options - wow, I like it!

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Dae-yeop is an interesting character. He is the type that needs the viewers' patience and understanding. He is predictable but unpredictable (whatever that means 🤷). 

I like the fact that he doesn't share the same political views as his father. He thinks that the king's new land law is fair for the common people and it should be enforced. The upper and middle class land owners should pay the most tax.
His father on the other hand believes that it's the enemy of all powerful people so he is  trying to oust the king.
 

 Dae-yeop is spot on with his mannerism as a young privileged entitlement  yangban,  He is true to his patriarchal upbringing as the superior one in the relationship. A woman should listen and obey her man. That's why he is uncompromising.
The way he showed his disapproval (with fingers pointing at Ba-woo) at the sleeping arrangement in Ba-woo's home was hilarious to watch. Say what? "There should be separation between the sexes. How can someone like you sleep with her in the same room? That can never happen." That was also masked with jealousy I must add.

As for eloping with the princess, he was caught off guard that she would even want to go through with it. That would have been the scandal of the 15th century. Marriage was a family affair for the benefit of two families. Eloping would be viewed as a disgraceful act towards their parents and if they get caught they would be punished severely. 
I like the actor and he is doing a great job at playing his character as the wild card in this political game.   

   

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Have you watched him in Twelve Nights?

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I forgot that he was in AGE of YOUTH.
I haven't seen "Twelve Nights" but I will check it out.
Thank you!

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I think based on your comment and others', it's highly likely that DY is the king's son with VP Lee's sister. I don't know much about history, but the way I felt from watching the show was that VP Lee is always taking very good care of DY. I don't think that only by being his sister's son, he would have shown so much care and being lenient with him much more than how he treats his own sons. That made me feel like this explanation is plausible. If this is really what happened in the story, it will also resolve the tie between DY and the princess, as there won't be any way they can end up as a couple because they are half-siblings. DY will have to eventually give up the princess.

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And another thing I just remembered is that DY always consider the public interest before his own. I think VP Lee saw this, so he said something like 'an orange seed, only with good environment, can grow and become an orange tree. An orange tree, however, will always be an orange tree regardless of where it is planted' in some earlier episode. The king is also of this view; so perhaps they are really the father and the son.

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We are all distorting history at this point so anything is possible :).
I feel the same about Dae-yeop being more than his sister's son (if he is indeed hers). Both VP Lee and aunt don't treat the older brother the same way as they do with Dae-yeop.

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And I for one honestly enjoyed each twist of that knife to BIL as she bawled BaWoooyaaaaa!👍🏼

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oh yes.. you observed that too... it indeed added the more power to the scene.

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Thank you for the new space! Hopefully, it’ll load faster! Also, omg, episode 9-10 are the best! My heart is in pieces in a good way after 10, I’ll talk more after the squeecap!

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I'm getting there! Hang on!

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EPISODE 10 - "Unyong-jon: A Love Affair at the Royal Palace"

I found it on Amazon.😂

Synopsis: "The story is about a girl who is chosen to receive a literary education in the Korean palace. She among the other 9 girls excel at poetry and live truly blessed lives compared to the average life of someone of their birth and sex. The main heartbreak of all the girls, but more so for Unyoung is that she will never be allowed to marry or have a romantic relationship.

One day a poet prodigy comes to the palace to meet with the prince, who is the girl's patron. He writes such sublime poetry that Unyong falls in love with him, and writes to him, at which point he falls in love with her.

The book is about their love affair, and the hardships they must endure due to Confucian society.
https://www.amazon.com/Unyong-Jon-Affair-Palace-Research-Monograph/dp/1557290938

The ending is tragic, hence the need for a handkerchief: https://www.bartleby.com/essay/Unyoung-Jon-FJM54D9XYBV

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What a find!!!

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That's super cool! I didn't realize it was an actual book. I'm a fan of princess-penned romances as a plot addition, especially since historically hangul became a way for women to carve out their own literary culture since men considered the script beneath them. Also enjoying evil eunuch Wei Zhongxian making an appearance in the narrative - I did a good bit of research on him and the disaster that was the Tianqi Emperor's rule when I was teaching Peach Blossom Fan - there are good reasons the Ming Dynasty collapsed with folks like them in charge.

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@wonhwa I didn't know it's an actual story either. I did a bit more research... It's actually a 17th century classic. It's the second story in the Hwamongjip, a collection of stories set in the aftermath of the Imjin War, written in the 4th year of Injo's reign. Furthermore, the author is unknown! Turning our princess into the author is a great twist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwamongjip

The themes remind me of PEONY PAVILION. They are contemporary right?

I'm looking for an edition with English translation but so far have only found it in Korean: http://www.hyeonamsa.com/eng/book_detail.php?idx=2139&cate=&&ckattempt=3

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Same here. I never thought it was an actual story since Soo-kyung's drawings were of her and Ba-woo.

It must have been written by a gisaeng. They knew how to read and write. Some were daughters of fallen nobles who became government slaves.

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Gisaeng culture is fascinating. It's always intrigued me how so many deeply patriarchal cultures that generally forbid women to obtain an education carve out an exception for courtesans. It's so obvious that cultured, educated men simultaneously want to spend time with (and sleep with) highly cultured, educated women, but are also deathly afraid of them, so they create social structures that confine such women to the lowest rungs of society (it's very similar to the restrictions/taboos so many cultures place on actors).

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Yes I totally agree. They are fascinating! They live and breathe their culture more than any class. They were loyal to their king and country more than the likes of Court Lady Kim Gae-si and these so-called ministers.

Most remained anonymous when it comes to their work (poetry and novels) for fear of being traced back to them. Writing was their way of expressing their true feelings and opinions since they had no voice.

A sageuk is incomplete without a gibang and I liked our hero's give and take relationship with the gisaengs.

Have you seen "HWANG JINI?" It's a beautiful drama about one of Joseon's famous gisaeng.

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@kiara yes, I have seen Hwang Jini and I loved how it used dance, music and poetry (not to mention the gorgeous costumes and accessories), as well as the way it presented women as major creators in so many of these art forms.

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It does sound similar to Peony Pavilion, and yes, that's definitely from the same time period. I taught Peony Pavilion last fall, and while I was initially worried my students would struggle with it, it was actually a blast. The whole theme of women taking control of their sexuality in a culture that didn't provide much room for that was something everyone immediately "got" (and obviously something totally relevant to this show). Speaking of Peony Pavilion, the way it became a pop culture phenomenon in its time, especially among female critics and teenage girls is as fascinating as the play itself - I fell down the rabbit hole of researching the so-called Three Wives Edition, and you could create an entire drama just about that work and how it came to be.

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Gosh I want you all to write just that. How fun would a sageuk from the POV of entertainers be? I'm thinking of the first few eps of Crowned Clown when it was all about the performance troupe. Add in the observations of gisaeng and it would be cracktastic. Oh but the dear boys might be offended. Sigh

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@jossie4cheryl Joseon-era performance troupes were really interesting (and quite bawdy/NSFW). For awhile there were state-sponsored troupes in Hanyang who existed primarily to mock/shame corrupt government officials, and then when the royal performance office was closed due to funding issues, many performers began touring or created regional troupes. There are several masked drama traditions that are still practiced today, as well as traveling Namsadang troupes similar to the one that Ba Wu tried to sell the princess to. Popular skits featured corrupt monks, a yangban-eating monster and a naked anatomically correct puppet rigged to literally pee on the nobility.

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The writer of Bossam must have been familiar with these novels. What a clever way to introduce us to actual Korean literature from the time period! I am very impressed with the way the historical details are incorporated in the drama.

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@kiara @wonwha I'm still obsessed with this story. Here's a nice summary: thttps://library.ltikorea.or.kr/originalworks/102154

I don't think Soo-kyung's drawings were originally intended for the book - she was just doing her best to portray "erotic" love. Being on horseback with Ba-woo or being carried by Ba-woo was the closest she could get to that. I wonder if she realized that or it was a subconscious thing?

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@wishfultoki The summary is really interesting and helpful - I found this excerpt from the English translation and accompanying background info and now I want to pick up a copy: https://ieas.directfrompublisher.com/sites/ieas.directfrompublisher.com/files/previews/KRM33%20Unyong%20jon_excerpt.pdf. I do hope at some point, the princess will acquire some more "specific" info about romantic relationships,, since marrying a dead guy definitely doesn't help much in that department.

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@wonhwa
Thank you! The footnotes and introduction seem really useful. I'm so glad I ordered it... I was on Amazon today and spent a mini fortune on history and literature books. Sageuks have ruined me. 😂
(I also got myself a translation of Peach Blossom Fan - hopefully it's a good one).

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@snowflower,

This is what I've been looking for from writers when it comes to sageuks.
 I am completely  overwhelmed by the wealth of information these writers are incorporating in the drama.
I can't keep up. I'd still be reading up on it even after the drama is over. It's "Fascinating" to me.

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@wishfultoki and @wonhwa,

Thank you for sharing! I read a little bit and nodded my head along with it. I can't wait to read the rest of it.
This cleared up my confusion earlier. Viki's subs say "West palace" but here it says "west of" and Prince Anpyeong was living at Susong Palace.
I thought it didn't make any sense because only the crown prince would reside inside the West palace with the king and queen etc.

I've been ranting about Confucianism throughout this whole drama (scroll up lol).
Our 2 male leads may appear unlikable to us at times but they are written from the lens of a Confucian society.
I appreciate honest writings and that's part of the reason why Dae-yeop's character can be understood.

Anyway, thank you again! I'm not done with this @wishfultoki. I'm as obsessed with it as you are.

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@wishfultoki Yay Peach Blossom Fan! I believe the only English translation is the Birch/Acton one, and it's a little stilted in places but generally fine. Virtually all the characters are real, historical figures although the show obviously takes some license with things. As a theatre person, I love that one of the main villains is a playwright (who was truly a terrible person in real life, although a noted writer) and that theatrical performance plays a major role in the story. I did mean to ask you which kun operas/arias you had studied/learned.

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@wonhwa Yes, I got the Acton translation. 😄 It arrives on Wednesday (with my Tale of Unyeong and Baekje annals of the Samguk Sagi - @pakalanapikake where are you? You'd be proud of me)

My only knowledge of kunqu is from an online course I did on Coursera. The lectures were good but I was left hungry for more. They went into some depth about the performance of the PEONY PAVILION and THE JADE HAIRPIN mainly. Both remind me a lot of the story in Bossam.

@kiara Yes, it was also helpful to know that Grand Prince Anpyeong was only 13 at the time and chose court ladies to accompany him when he moved to his private palace.

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@wishfultoki Your Amazon purchasing spree sounds lovely and I will have to check out Coursera. I haven't read The Jade Hairpin (not sure there's an English translation) but Peony Pavilion is great (and really, really weird - one of my students called it Ming-dynasty Twilight and she wasn't wrong).

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@wishfultoki,

You are on a roll👍🏽 . Hail to the Baekje princess!
I'll just be salty over there at the Goguryeo corner 😢.

If @pakalanapikake was here we'd be talking "King and the Clown" in the very 1st episode.
It would've been great if they did more than just the tightrobe walking performance. You know, roast the king or the Northerners.

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@kiara In the East Asian Theatre class that I teach, we read "Yi", the play King and the Clown was based on, and I show clips from the film. The satirical skits are my personal favorite as well, although the tightrope walking, acrobatics and sieve-spinning are cool too!

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@wonhwa,

I love musicals and while I'm watching K-dramas I also keep track of the stage shows in Korea.
I'm a fan of Oh Man-seok who played the main character in "YI."

"King and the Clown" was my very first film sageuk. I learned about the life of a performer and why they would cast a pretty boy like Lee Junki as part of the group.
They were so poor they couldn't afford to get married and the biri of the group was sort of beautiful and feminine.
Roasting the notorious Yeonsan was my favorite.

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@kiara as a fellow musical theatre lover, one of my life goals is to go to Seoul some day and watch a ton of musicals. I think it's awesome just how dynamic the musical theatre scene is there. Maybe post-covid . . .

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@wonhwa,

Same here. I have a list of shows I want to watch live.
Most of my favorite actors have musical background.

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@kiara - yeah, I just want to see Jo Seung Woo as the lead in a musical before I die.

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This is so good! Thanks for sharing, Tiki! 💚💚💚

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The moment the camera pans to MIL's face lapping up the novel I giggled hard 🤣 And then, of course Older Brother had to walk in and take it away from her, because men in that family just hate women having a life of their own, even if it's only inside their heads (*triple eyeroll)

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Episode 10 Squeecap is on my fanwall so I don't break DB with the long post. https://www.dramabeans.com/members/wishfultoki/activity/1234641/

This episode can be summarised in one word: Perfection ❤

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Hi~ I'm just here to say you guys are killing me with these comments. This show is definitely at the very top of my binge list now ;)

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Don't binge it. Join the fun!

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@missvictrix I was reminded a lot of your essay on going to the sea while watching Episodes 9-10 this week. (Beanies, it's a great read: https://www.dramabeans.com/2019/05/the-emotion-of-the-ocean/). Come and squee with us! We geek out over the history and swoon over the slow-burning romance.
@ally-le might riot if she doesn't get a kiss next week but I have faith in the Episode 12 formula. 😂

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I better get my watermill date. Don't tease me show.

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i am next to ally in that riot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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"The Story of Wun Yeong"

(The publicity scenes)

Is Chun-bae and Lady Jo telling 2 different stories?

I did not watch "GRAND PRINCE" so what is the connection between Grand Prince Anpyeong's daughter and this scholar Kim?

I was so excited I thought this was a nod to PRINCESS' MAN with scholar Kim and Grand Prince Suyang's daughter.

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We were noting the similarities between The Princess' Man and Bossam just a couple of days ago!

Ba Wu's handwriting in Hangul is so elegant...

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@kiara I wish I could read the story to be completely certain, but I think they were telling different parts of the same story, the Tale of Unyeong. Chun-bae was focusing on the forbidden affair between the court lady and scholar Kim, and Lady Jo was reading a sad farewell bit. It ends tragically, which is why the bookseller also bawled his eyes out.

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Thank you @wishfultoki!

I told you I'm brain dead after eps 10 lol.

Awww such a sad story.

I was kind of confused between the West palace and the characters.
It sounds like  Unyeong was a court lady at the West palace but a grown Grand Prince  Anpyeong wouldn't be living there right?
Court ladies belong to the king so that king  would be Sejong?

Oh wait this was fiction....nm.

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The facial expressions of VP Lee's wife when she was reading the book...priceless! The actress did such a good job!

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I did like the humorous tension when princess decided to support the outlaw family with erotic art (which she had no experience). The idea of using one's talents to work hard to scrabble money to survive is so foreign to the palace nobility.

Young Master is nothing more than a walking land mine. His actions in arresting Ba Woo to "break up" his relationship with "his" love will only destroy everyone, including himself. I wish he would just go away so we could have more outlaw family moments.

Just as a "live" princess was a "get out of jail" free card, the treason letter and smuggling seems to be a more powerful gambit. However, Ba Woo has to decide which man he hates least, VP Lee or the King, to get what he wants (his family release and freedom). No matter what he will do, it probably will not end well.

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I love our little outlaw family!

If I understand correctly, the reason for Ba-woo's arrest was to save the princess because the bookstore owner knew Soo-kyung was the author. Ba-woo went willingly because he gets it. If he doesn't, Soo-kyung will be arrested. 
When he was thrown in jail the store owner was surprised. He said "why are you here? Don't tell me that your wife...." then Ba-woo shuts him up.

Dae-yeop already knew she was the author of the book. That's why he arrested both of them before his brother found out the truth.
He may look like he is the bad guy here but at least Soo-kyung is safe.

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exactly.. he did all that just to save Her from the getting into prison and more than that from coming into spotlight that she is still alive.
so he isnt bad actually deep down his heart.. its just the situation is not permitting him to be tha knight in shining armour for her cause she has clearly cut him out of his life. So he has no other way but to keep her away from everyone's eye's by hook or crook.. and this is what he could come up.
And i liked his plan just that its even more painful for us to (and him too) to see Princess crying for Ba Wu... so indirectly he ended up hurting her too.

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I'm definitely on team Ba-woo but I hope they'll all be on the same side at some point and be awkward together lol.

Dae-yeop isn't over Soo-kyung yet so he is going to be annoying for a while.

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@kiara yes same here. Ba Wu and Princess have more than enough enemies already so I really dont want another one hurting them.
and true.. DY is still not able to come to terms how she can choose BW over him but i hope DY and BW patch things up to conclude they both want princess to be happy n sound with the person of her choice. And their Bromace can make thing little light (we hv seen glimpse of it already.. )

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@kdramaswimmer,

Is it possible that the arrest was planned by Ba-woo and Dae-yeop since they both want to protect Soo-kyung?

This wasn’t the first time they’ve worked together to protect her.

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I think DY's motivation was always to take out Ba Woo. If he is gone, then the princess will have to seek safety from him.

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@welh,

Of course. He was probably more than happy to throw him in jail and hope he stays there.

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@Welh

Even if he succeeded in getting Ba Wu out of the way and even if she did have to turn to him Cha Dol and her are inseparable. Only one of the many things DY doesn’t realize and has not thought through I’m sure

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On the other hand, I’m giving Dae-yeop the benefit of the doubt. His first priority is keeping Soo-kyung safe. He doesn’t care about anyone else. If he wanted to get rid of Ba-woo, he would have done it already.

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Thank you @stroopwafel.

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Sokyung's drawings -"everybody's dressed!" 🤣 The cast must be having so much fun doing these scenes, he!
Also loved the detail - "there's only one without clothes on"... It's Bawoo chopping wood! Sokyung, girl, you are all of us 🤣

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Really? I must have missed that part! Girl is thirsty...it’s funny we have all of that coming from her side though. It’s usually the opposite. He loves and adores her to distraction of but is very chivalric on his end so far. Nothing wrong With that all of course Just an observation.

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It went by kind of fast, but the three drawings I noticed were: two people on horseback (Episode 6 - their Great Escape after the scam failed), a man carrying a woman (Episode 4 - when Ba-woo carries her out of the river after she jumped off the clip), and him chopping wood half-naked (a callback to the Episode 1 kerfuffle where she saw his abs). Yes, she took a good look at him back then!

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That's the reason why I was confused about the novel. I thought she was writing their love story based on her drawings.

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Woot! Rating up up and away.

Episode 11:

7.957% which is basically 8% 👍.

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I have never watched unsubtitled episodes of any drama until now...

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I watched without subs several times.

I screamed when the mother said that Ba-woo was a child prodigy....Yes we guessed it lol.

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If he is a flute prodigy, he is probably a prodigy in other areas, like master strategic planning, hahaha!

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Mama Kim seems to be a proud lady. I'm more nervous than relieved for our couple's future with her as the matriarch.

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Looks like he is showing good sword-fighting and sharp-shooting abilities. Can't say the same about archery though...
And yes, Mama Kim is a force to be reckoned with. Her last name is probably not Kim, but I like the sound of Mama Kim better than, say, Mama Jeong or Mama Hwang.

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You are correct. She would be Lady Jeong :).

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Me either! Hubby is quite puzzled, "You understand Korean now?" Happily watching Hwang Jini while waiting for the Bossam subtitles.

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Ah, the Crane dance...

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I’m watching 12 without subs just to see if @wishfultoki is right about the kissing. 😆

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I'm feeling the pressure now 😂

I still haven't watched Episodes 11-12 but will jump into this discussion tomorrow. I'm so glad the ratings are going up!

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I haven't seen Episode 12 yet but I'll savor it later.
I'm gone for the day but I'll finish up our historical references for eps 11 tomorrow.

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@wishfultoki, what is the Episode 12 kiss rule?

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@kiara, one of the challenges for writers of historical fiction is to present the background information without lecturing the readers/viewers. So far, this drama writer has done an excellent job! I appreciate learning new things through dramas, and watching Bossam has inspired me to read more about the time period. I am grateful for the recommendations for other Gwanghae dramas, so I will definitely be looking those up.

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@snowflower,

I feel like I'm in heaven while watching this drama. Even after all these years I'm still learning a lot of new things about Korea's history and culture.
There is so much to talk about but English is my 3rd language and I don't speak Korean either so it's a challenge to try and explain things coherently.

I'm excited that we are all learning together. It's so fun to share our thoughts, frustrations, research, talents etc.

I really appreciate your comments  and you always ask the right questions!
Keep sharing that talent of yours. I can't wait to hear your BOSSAM inspired composition.

 There are 3 Joseon kings that I love.
King Sejong (Yi Do), King Jeongjo (Yi San) and Prince Gwanghae (Yi Hon).

I made a history file for Gwanghae but I'm not done. I think it'll be fun if we talk about the real Gwanghae at the end of the show.

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These are my favorite kings too!
I did some research on the historical background of CHUNO and shared it with the fans participating in the group watch at The Fangirl's Verdict.
I like how Gwanghae's accomplishments (land tax reform, wise foreign policy, etc.) are mentioned in the dialogue of BOSSAM, but not in an overtly expository way.

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Ohhh I just bookmarked it for my next CHUNO re-watch.

Same here and Kim Tae-woo is doing a great job portraying Gwanghae as the vulnerable, lonely, frustrated...king. 
He is also a father of an unstable, newly recovered nation torn apart by war and a daughter that he both loves. Soo-kyung is always going to be in danger of being abandoned first. Life of a Joseon princess is no fairytale.

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If English is your 3rd language, I want Korean to be my 2nd.

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The Crowned Clown has Gwanghae in it but they do him dirty, like super dirty, and it's my most hated drama so I can't recc it and also sleep at night lmao.

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I'm a British history nerd, and historical dramas have been important gateways into the past for me. Historical fiction is also a great way to dip your toes into history.

I'm such a history nerd, the K-dramas I have the most interest in are saiguks. *laughs*

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Thank you for another hangout thread! The other one took so much time to load, so I'm sure that all Bossam Beanies here are very grateful. :D

I'm not a sageuk fan, so while I was enjoying watching these episodes, I'm more intrigued reading Beans' squeecaps, posts and comments. It's truly a bliss reading all these historical details that the show incorporated into the story. This is very educational.

Apart from being in awe of how regal the princess is (kudos to the actress!), I'm fascinated by the court politics. I can't predict anything, and everyone is just so unpredictable; however, they all share one same thing: They are selfish. They can betray anyone and everyone just for their gains. The king is probably the one who shocked me the most; Not only he could use his own daughter's life for destroying an enemy, he could also easily cut tie with someone who worked for him just because the person failed once and he just didn't want to save and use him anymore. The king is such an interesting character here.

I feel like it must have been very difficult having to live in that era: If you were not 'clever' enough, you wouldn't survive all the politics; and if you were born a commoner, you would be struggling trying to make ends meet. *smh*

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Episode 10: What an excellent tension-filled episode!
Question of the day: What happened to the letter? Did Chun Bae lose it or does Dae Yeop have it?
Big reveal of the day: Dae Yeop is not Injo.

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Oops! Episode 11, not 10!

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Now we can breathe but then the question remains. Who the heck is Dae-yeop? Is he just a fictional character or VP Lee's pawn?
Since he is planning on ousting the king, he must have a replacement in mind.

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Prince Neungyang (future King Injo) was mentioned a couple of times, so he is a separate character, different than Dae Yeop. But you are right, we still don't know DY's true identity or who is the replacement candidate VP Lee has in mind.

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Yes, it's clear that he is not Injo.
Prince Imhae's son Yi Tae-ung would be a good candidate.

Maybe they'll give us a clue next week.

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This was my first guess but Imhae's wife didn't match Lady Haeindang so I deleted my comment.

Prince Imhae was killed by VP Lee in 1609., one year after Gwanghae ascended the throne. Imhae was the oldest son of the late king. He was incompetent but still a threat based on the succession order.

If his sister had a son with him, it would explain why he would adopt their child and why his sister is living in the Lee family estate as a widow.

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I don't know about you, but I went LOL that the first time we hear about Injo it's because he read a naughty romance novel. 😂

More seriously, the pen is mightier than the sword. The book is shaking up the political scene.

Re. Dae-yeop: My birth secret theory is looking weaker now... if he's not Injo and marries Lord Nae Am's daughter, he is not going to make it. Aigoo Young Master!

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That was one hell of an introduction 😆. The future of Joseon is as good as dog poop.

If Dae-yeop is Imhae’s boy he will definitely make it.

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It strikes me that all these noble lords and ladies would use their real names when checking out a racy novel from the bookstore!

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Another beanie mentioned that DY could be the son of the king. That would explain why VP Lee was opposed to DY's marriage to princess Soo Kyung. We will see. It looks like the writer has a good command of the story and the pacing, so we will get a satisfying answer. But I am now worried about Young Master and hope he does not meet a grisly death in Episode 19 (or 20).

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Anything is possible!

Ba-woo was much easier to figure out.
I hope the writers are on our side and save our poor young master.

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There's a disclaimer at the beginning of every show that the show is based on historical incidents, but the characters are fictional [barring the ones who are known to be historical]. DY could totally be his 'aunt's son and maybe the King is his father, but he's 100% fictional.

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Chun Bae still has the letter. Doesn’t he? Or the Princess? She said that they could use the letter as a bargaining chip.

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Finished Episode 11 and it has a lot of political maneuvering, which is a big reason why I'm not a sageuk fan, but darned if this drama isn't keeping me interested. Every faction has a plan and then there are alliances between subsets, and they are all interfering with each other's plans and the result is surprisingly entertaining.

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The look on VP Lee's face at the end of episode 11 did me good. I also loved the way they set that up back in the throne room when the king realised ... (not saying until the squeecap). How the interests of power suddenly saw new opportunities open before them. This is what I love about sageuk - the alliances. You had to be on your toes if you were close to the king. I think madam is in the process of making her biggest mistake ever. Ba-wu is going to come into his own, methinks.

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12 minutes into episode 12 - it's so exciting

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Did you get to the end???

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I stopped at 14 mins because the subs haven't been done yet and I want to relish it.

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Oh noooo. Got to the end with only 74% subbed. If not for the preview, I'd be beside myself. 😭😭😭 Oh the rollercoaster.

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I got to 74% too and was like "Noooo! What was the next line??? I need to know!!!!"

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Ratings Episode 12: 7.073%.

Not bad but it dropped by almost 1%.

I think the final episodes will be their highest when MINE is out of the way.

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BOSSAM: Historical Reference Episode 11 Part 1.
CAO CAO - "I'd rather betray others, than have others betray me."
(Eng subs @viki.com)

VP Lee to Dae-yeop.
"Read it"

Dae-yeop
Yeong A Bu In. Mu In Bu A.

VP Lee
"What does it mean?"

Dae-yeop
Cao Cao, Emperor Wu of Wei said "I'd rather do wrong to others than allow them to do wrong to me."

VP Lee
"That is my will and the reason why I prepared to depose the king."

Cáo Cāo (155 – March 15, 220) was a Chinese military leader, a regional warlord and the penultimate chancellor of the Eastern Han Dynasty, who rose to great power during its final years in Ancient China. As one of the central figures of the Three Kingdoms period, he laid the foundations for what was to become the Kingdom of Wei (also known as Cáo Wèi) and was posthumously titled Emperor Wu of Wei.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cao_Cao

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BOSSAM: Episode 11 Historical Reference Part 2.
Korean Proverbs.
(Subs @viki.com)

Nanny Jo to Chun-bae
"Can't you steal that kind of thing? (the original ledger)

Chun-bae
"How do we know where it is? And with what skills do I steal that? If I had that kind of skill I would pull Ba-woo out."

Nanny Jo
"They say even if you are desperate enough to use dog crap as medicine, you'll find none. They were talking about you."

Proverb: "Even dog poop can't be found if you need it for medicine."
This saying means that you won’t be able to find even a
plentiful-but-worthless thing if it is ever actually needed.

https://github.com/jamis/korean-proverbs/blob/master/%E3%84%B1/%EA%B0%9C.yml

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Wow, I did not expect Ba Woo's mother and sister to be so utterly annoying. They barely escaped slavery (with little sis calling herself a commoner in order to justify tugging into the riceball Dae Yeop gave her), the next moment they want to marry Ba Woo to another woman bc the existing one and his son are not good enough. (Was not the little sister going to get married to a commoner herself?)

Can't wait to see their stupid faces when the truth comes out.

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Yes, I am waiting for the moment when their jaws drop when they find out Soo Kyung's true identity. I will be very upset if they mistreat poor Cha Dol because of his commoner mother.

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I don’t feel the family ties between them like I do with our little outlaw family who aren’t even blood related.

Dae-yeop should consider becoming a Buddhist monk. I don’t know who to ship him with 😆.

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I'm trading him for my Stabby OTP™️.

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@kiara, Wikipedia informed me that the biological son of Prince Imhae did become a Buddhist monk and lived a long life. The Prince also had 2 adoptive sons.
Kim Dae Seok's dongsaeng seems a little on the petty side, but I hope she displays some hidden depths and charms our Young Master. He deserves happiness too!

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@snowflower
That's an interesting find. Wikipedia also says VP Lee Yicheom sent an assassin to kill Prince Imhae so they have a connection.... I don't see Dae-yeop becoming a monk though. 😆

I do not ship the sister or anyone with him for now. Rather than a love line, I'd much prefer it if he becomes friends with Ba-woo.

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