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Nevertheless: Episode 3 Open Thread

As our heroine tries desperately to decide whether our swoony sculptor sees her as a mere plaything, or an actual girl he cares about, she does what every good introvert does under dire circumstances: pull back. Then, when a new suitor sweeps in, she takes advantage of the opportunity, and tries her best to protect her heart from further damage.

 
EPISODE 3 WEECAP

This drama is like a car accident. I don’t want to see it, but I can’t look away. Maybe that’s a good metaphor for the relationship between Na-bi and Jae-un too, though — she knows better, and she tries to wriggle out of his grasp, but in the end, there’s something that’s too strong and she can’t pull herself away from him. Come what may.

I said it last week, but I’ll say it again — there’s something unsettling and uncomfortable about this drama, and it’s not just because it’s rife with relationship hurts and confusion. There’s something deeper in the world of the story, and the way it’s told, that just leaves me feeling very on-edge. From the background music, to the cinematography, to the essence of the story, it all comes together to create this drama’s unique tone.

After their first kiss, Na-bi pulls away from Jae-un — first from the kiss and then from the relationship. She’s unsure of herself and what just happened between them. Jae-un doesn’t contact her for days, and in the meantime, the cute little hoobae KIM EUN-HAN (Lee Jung-ha) pops up. He’s the sweet, innocent puppy that’s crushing on his noona. He admires her work, is respectful yet clear that he’s interested in her, and the two start texting, hanging out on campus, and soon are on a date.

This drama is cruel, though, and in so many ways. First, that Jae-un sees them together and it starts up his pursual of Na-bi again. Second, that it illustrates Na-bi knows quite clearly the difference between the “safe” Eun-han, and the “dangerous” Jae-un. Third, that it all comes crashing down at her feet.

Eun-han might grab Na-bi in an innocent bear hug, but he knows what’s up. “You know that he only hurts other people,” he says. “Don’t let someone who was never sincere towards you hurt you.” Eun-han’s advice is well-taken, and seems right on the money. Na-bi knows he’s right, but there’s also this part of her that can’t let go of Jae-un. She does all the things she should — like pull away from the constant shoulder touching, and delete his number, but it doesn’t stop the sparks whenever they’re together. In her own words, when she’s around him, she can’t look away.

But the cruelty I mentioned here is that just as Na-bi has determined to keep things going with Eun-han, she attends the school festival only to see another girl hanging on his arm. Oof. It’s as if the message of this drama so far is that love is pain, and that everyone (whether purposefully or inadvertently) tramples on the heart of our delicate, butterfly-esque heroine.

Indeed, the butterfly metaphors continue this week — we see a brief sequence of Jae-un at home working, with a terrace of plants and butterflies, but the darker side of this metaphor is during the appearance of YOON SEOL-AH (Lee Yeol-eum).

Who is this beret-wearing female? We don’t really know yet, but Jae-un is quite open with her, and says that she is his fate. She seems to know all about him — revealed to us by their butterfly dialogue. When Jae-un answers her question and says he does still keep butterflies, he adds that he’s thinking of letting them go. Seol-ah thinks he’s matured, but then she posits that Na-bi is his “new” butterfly. And I’m as worried as ever, thinking about Na-bi as this delicate being about to get destroyed, both spiritually and emotionally.

While Na-bi continues floundering her art and love life, and is sick with a drama fever, we do get a lot of side character stories this week as well.

YOON SOL (Lee Ho-jung), who I love, is utterly clueless that the guy she’s trying to reimburse just wants to get to know her, and is using every excuse to do so. It puts her at odds with the other girl in their friend group, SEO JI-WAN (Yoo Seo-ah), who’s excitedly going on blind dates, yet incredibly hung up on (and jealous of) Sol.

Then there’s the resident crazy girl, Bit-na, whom I like less and less — I can see her pushing Na-bi a bit too far — but maybe that’s my own visceral reaction to wild-hearted extroverts that don’t understand a thing about what it’s like to be introverted.

However, once Bit-na’s storyline with omni-present pal NAM KYU-HYUN (Kim Min-gwi) crossed the line of friendship into romance, I was a little more pleased. Sure, they’re sitting on the street in the middle of the night making out, but it’s been clear for a while that Kyu-hyun cares for her (and he rocks that beanie lol), so I’m all for this pairing.

Getting back to Na-bi and Jae-un and their endless dance around each other — he manages to win Na-bi back over by the end of the episode. His palpable concern for her health (calling 119 to break into her apartment and rescue her), and staying with her all night and nursing her fever, is enough to bring Na-bi back.

She thinks her question is answered: he does care for her as more than a plaything, and they have something that he never had with any other woman. (Uhhh…) They sleep together for real this time, and it feels like a consummation of their relationship — but this show can’t trick me. I know Na-bi’s in for a world of hurt, and that’s the car wreck I can’t look away from.

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I am (still) watching Nevertheless on Netflix. There are things I really like; one episode per week is so doable, an excellent OST with a very different ear appeal, and floundering characters in different stages of growth. I really see a lot of similarities to Cheese In The Trap (and not just due to the college setting) more that it shares an ambiguity of motive and direction for our protagonists.

Is the past prologue? It will be interesting to see how they handle this in the drama, ......and whether it strays from the webtoon a la CIIT!?

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Definitely agree with you about similar Cheese in the Trap vibes! That's one of the first things I thought of after episode 2 and I think it's part of what is keeping me watching it! Hoping all the great parts of Cheese in the Trap vibes continue with this drama and not the parts that made it so sad haha

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I thought of Cheese in the Trap too. For me I think that both have a good sense of place, in that I do feel like I'm following students around their school with both.
Love the OST.

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I thought that Sol and Ji-Wan's relationship was interesting but after this episode, I didn't like Ji-Wan's reaction. She seems more obsessed than having genuine feelings for Sol. Sol really cares about Ji-Wan but Ji-Wan is pretty selfish.

For the main couple, I don't really care... The actors don't convinced me in their role and the fact the writer tried twice to fool the viewers in only 3 episodes...

Why when a character has fever in any asian dramas, it looks like he/she is dying?

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I kind of feel like Ji-wan doesn't really understand her feelings for Sol... and she's never had to deal with the prospect of "competing" for Sol. So I think her reaction kind of makes sense - she doesn't know what to make of it and so lashes out as an impulse.

I do agree though that her selfishness is part of that.

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I also think she doesn't realize her feelings for 'Sol'. Is the show going where I think it is going?

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I hope so? Otherwise, I'm not sure their "friendship" makes much sense.

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Ep 2 when she tells Sol how pretty her eyes, nose, and lips are I thought "Haha wow that sounds gay, too bad it's probably not" and then in ep 3 I nearly screamed "OH MY GOD IT'S GOTTA BE GAY!!!! THERE'S NO OTHER EXPLANATION!!!!!!!"

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I don't think Ji-wan realizes yet that Sol is (or both of them are) gay. Sol definitely knows. Ji-wan is struggling with as-yet undefined feelings.

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I don't think Sol knows. She seems pretty clueless about relationships. She didn't understand Ji-Wan's reaction.

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Maybe Ji-Wan is unaware of her true feelings and they can come across as possessive instead of caring. We really don't know much about their feelings yet.

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Yes, but it's the same for Sol and she doesn't act like a kid. She cares about Ji-Wan,even if she should have told her about studying abroad.

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Sol doesn't seem unaware, it appears JW talks a lot about guys so she chose not to say anything and maybe mess the friendship for nothing, but yes, Sol is overall a more mature character.

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I agree with you on this , Sol was very bothered by the talk about Ji Wan blind date and possible marriage in EP1 that she hit her head on that guy's chest .

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I'm buckled in right there with you, @missvictrix.

I think I also smell the whiff of a time jump somewhere in the back-half of the show... anyone else?

This show is suuuuuper interesting in how it's put together. And I totally feel that sense of ambiguous foreboding that's looming everywhere. I think Eun-han's random girlfriend reveal was the warning shot against our bow as viewers - nobody is safe... not even the cutesy hoobaes.

Na-bi should probably runrunrunrun for her life.... but, yknow, a few rounds of nookie couldn't hurt to get the adrenaline pumping. ;);););)

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I wish I knew Korean grammar better, because I legit sometimes feel like Nabi's monologues are a narration from her future-self, plus she speaks with a lot of nostalgia and pathos.
The cinematography can get quite un-settling at times. They also insert creepy 'serial-killer' music at times, and I wonder *why* they chose it? xD

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The cinematography is kind of voyeuristic, for sure. Echoes how the characters each have a creepy, stalkery eye on each other.

It would make sense for her to be narrating from a future self. Also, given we're only 3 eps in and the romance is heating up, going downhill is the only the direction it could go... and that's a loooooong downhill slope for a 10 ep show.

Granted, I don't know anything about the source material, so maybe jokes on us?

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I agree about the future self. It's almost like we are getting a glimpse of her diary of everything that happened in the past.

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Be prepared to get second lead syndrom. We got a short shot off him while NB friend watched that food video in this episode. He is NB childhood friend that have a crush on her and production company stated he is totally opposite to JE as he is friendly, innocent and straightforward.

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Doesn't SLS hit when they do the second ML dirty? Like not let him get the girl, and then gets screwed over (plot-wise) by the writers? If we go by the webtoon-canon, he doesn't fit either of those cliched criteria, so I don't think we'll have SLS for him. Unless you mean we'll have SLS for Jae-Eon.... maybe not since he was pathetic in the manga. But my heart will forever bleed for Song Kang, lol xD

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To me SLS is about when you do not like the lead with the lead girl and prefer SML based on his personality and how he tread the lead girl. Even though the lead girl only have eyes for the lead man. Not just how it ends. I can be wrong in how I understood it though.

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Okay, so plot-importance wise, Song Kang is the ML, and the other sweet guy is the SL. SK is not getting the girl again :/ But, I'm happy because Nabi deserves better :D

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We got Do-hyuk in person this episode when Ji-wan and Sol ate at the noodle shop. Na-bi watched the food video in this episode all smiles, but we didn't see his face.

I already have second leads syndrome with Do-hyuk and Joo-hyuk.

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What about SLS for Kyu-Hyun? :P Ain't Bit-Na ending up with him. Watch him land in the friendzone after she's had her share of fun xD

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Second lead syndrome for Se-hun, anyone? You could see his poor heart crack when Sol and Joo-hyuk played the couple balloon game.

Bit-na is the female Jae-eon -- they ought to hook up with each other.

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The fact that Bit-Na recognizes Jae-Won belongs to her lane, yet leads on the beanie-dude with the drunk mid-road make-out session makes me think she's as bad as JW. Why do they have to string along the monogamously pure ones?! T_T

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Is Se-hun really a second lead when Sol is obviously in love with Ji-wan?

If Sol/Ji-wan end up being end-game, or at least sincere with their feelings for each other, I'm giving this show a 10/10 I've been yelling at kdramas to give me the lesbians for years now and it's finally been happening!!!!

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I wouldn't be surprised if Show reveals they hooked up in the past, which is how Bit-na knows Jae-eon never dates.

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@mindy Mine had lesbians. Ji-wan is clearly first lead, Joo-hyuk second, and Se-hun third?

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@panshel I know!! I've been very vocal about Mine. That's why I said it's been happening! :)

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I've decided I like this drama, but I'm not sure I care for some of the characters. I too dislike Bit Na, she isn't nice, drinks too much and worse isn't a good friend to anyone. I think she is going to mess with poor Kyu Hyun's heart. That drunk make-up on the street is gonna come back to haunt them. As for Sol whom I love dearly, I hope she and Ji Wan figure this out. I think Ji Wan is confused and hurt, so I won't comment on her little jealous outburst too much. As for our MLs, it looks like Na Bi succumbed, sigh, inevitable. Based on the preview the fallout looks lusty and terrible.

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I also like the drama but probably wouldn’t want to spend any time with the characters, ironically. But I’m completely hooked on how familiar some of this is, the slippery slope of trying to hedge against attraction. I am really hoping that Na Bi’s relative awareness of how many red flags there are mean that she’ll be able to pull up in time when things get really gaslighty.

With this sort of relationship you have to be very, very honest with yourself and maintain perspective. When it’s started to hurt more than it satisfies, don’t look back.

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I think the directors are doing a mind-blowing job if they can sell you into not just watching but being invested in -not one- but TWO very problematic leads. A self-sabotaging heroine who just can't convince her heart to stay out of trouble, despite getting her heart broken recently. And a morally-grey ML, with enough layers to make him 3-dimensional, yet a mystery to us because they deprive us of his PoV time and again. Does he genuinely like her? Or is it all part of a grand-scheme. Ep 3. is the closest we come to JE's PoV (in his moments of solitude, or in company other than Nabi's)... Thus, despite being a snooze for most of the duration, I'm glad the writers fed us little JE nuggets. He isn't an out-and-out manipulator, and that keeps his character interesting, and his motives shrouded in an air of ambiguity. Glad they don't make him an outright 1-dimensional villain, which is lazy storytelling. But I'm with @missvictrix on this: I keep waiting for the narrative to take a sudden turn and reveal JE is a serial-killer xD JE confuses me more than he confuses our heroine, and I have firmly planted my feet in both the camps: he's either a jerk pretending to be sweet or a misunderstood sweetheart with genuine commitment issues.

For someone who has been in these shoes, I'm having a little TOO sadistic and voyeuristic fun at watching this girl, who thinks she has seen the worst already and doesn't realize how badly she's going to be burned by the end of it. :P

The wlw seems like it's headed towards a melt-down eventually. but might be our only endgame. The 'hime-cut' E-girl and the beanie-guy went down the predictable route too, but I don't see her changing her ways for the dude, just like JE won't change in the end, for Nabi.

Once again, the episode was brilliantly directed, shot and edited. The indie-esque OSTs are the absolute bomb. Every week I come in and admire how much the frames look like the modern Korean-take on an ukiyo-e painting. [especially the opening credits, oof!]
The story is predictable, because it hits a little TOO real, but I like how it's not cookie-cutter generic. I'm also super happy they keep pushing the envelope with the 'psychological' tag on this one! :D Like they say.... you 'never really know'. ;D

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I don't understand all the hate for Jae-un. Its as though college girls want to date casually but want to *make believe* the relationships are serious. Jae-un's problem is he not cooperating in the fantasy. I suspect professor X (the ex-porfessor boyfriend) is slated to play the villain role pretty soon, not Jae-un.

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Unless I get JE's PoV, I won't get sold on his sweet gestures, fully, ever. For all you know, he could really be getting some sick fun/ kick out of playing with these girls. The cinematography and sound mixing also doesn't help you get convinced his intentions are always pure, honest and sincere. That's the beauty of an open-narrative, I guess? JE's entire character is open for interpretation atm. We don't hate him, but we're right to be weary of such men.

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Being around too many smokers seems to have given NaBi cough. No, turns out it common cold or *Gasp* Coro... . I expected NaBi to be a good citizen and thought she would put on a mask and get herself tested. But no, she instead goes ahead coughing around the college campus, college fest and then next day sleeps with a boy too. I think the drama wanted to show us thats how the virus spread.
NaBi says at the begining - "I hope its Love, not childish jealousy." Love? Really? I thought love was more than that?
This episode did enough to confuse me into thinking Jae Un might be a good guy. With helping her plus the professors warm reaction towards him. But I don't know. It was episode THREE.
The pace of the story against its tone is feeling slow. Despite it having secondary stories too. I feel as if things have moved forward and yet as if nothing has changed.
The Art pieces are stunning - that Love sculpture - but I want more art.

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Also, did anyone notice the UFO music playing when NaBi was remembering her date with her ex. I LOLed out. Is the drama gonna turn Sci-fi?

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I predict he will cheat on her in a blatant betrayal and say, "Look. I think this was a mistake. I'm not a one-girl guy. I'm sorry. I never meant to hurt YAAAAAAAAAAA"

"Oh, crap."

Nabi pockets the scissors and walks away.

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Scissors in a pocket is a must. You may never know when you may need them to kill someone. Lol.

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Just HOW much of 'school-days' have you been watching recently? xD But a full-blown tsundere transformation is not something I'll be mad at xD

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I think Jae-un is the artist she breaks up with in the beginning, and they don't show his entire face.

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I like your take. The romance was a 'trojan horse' to drawn viewers in, then it turns into a COVID-19 drama. :-)

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Lol. The sense of doom that we keep getting is this. Na Bi is patient zero.

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They sleep together. Wow. She just recovered from high fever. When I recover from high fever, I feel tired, drained, dead. My mouth is dry like the Sahara Desert. I drag myself to the shower because I sweated a lot when my fever broke. All the things that Nabi obviously doesn't feel, or need (that shower I'm whining about) because she's IN LOVE. And she can kiss him just fine even though she was coughing like crazy the day before. It kept me up all night, worrying about her passing him the flu bug through bodily contact.

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Her studio-apartment magically opens up into an additional bathroom, where she took her shower and cleaned-up, while Jae-Won took his shower in the bathroom that normally exists 24/7 in her apartment. Drama-magic, y'know :P

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A toothbrush appears out of the air and magically brushes her teeth all sparkly and fragrant so that our hero won't have to hold his breath while leaning in to kiss those parched, fever-cracked lips.

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reality who needs it when we have this? and i like it actually. i never had a swoon y boyfriend or a true love

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One must commend dedication of Jae Un on this. This man still accomplishes his mission despite these huge hurdles.

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Literally all I thought was morning breath and dry lips. But obviously that didn't bother him. To be fair he didn't have a toothbrush either, so maybe they both had morning breath

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He probably swiped her teeth very briskly with that towel he sponged her with. Our guy is dedicated like that.

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Jae-eon called an ambulance, brought her medicine, carried her to bed, read her a vook, and nursed her fever while she slept. My friend said what happened the next morning was just her way of saying 'thank you'. LOL! XD

Plus, he just got out of the shower! He was irresisitible! She was staring at him while he dried his hair.

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I was pleased to see Na-bi trying to taking control of her life at the start of the episode and brushing Jae-un aside. Unfortunately Eun-han was not the right guy to help her getting over her attraction. I was not impressed by his explanation that his old flame has turned up and has priority over Na-bi. Shallow and clumsy even for a hoobae.

Jae -un is not clumsy. Are women an open book to him? I found him the creepiest in this episode. He knows that he needs to gain Na-bi's trust and plays the caring card - with great success, naturally.
What scared me most is his statement of thinking to let the butterflies go free. I am not sure what he means by that. What about Seol-Ha, how does she fit in?

I am clinging to the hope that Na-bi will escape to study abroad and will make fantastic sculptures based on love, as her professor advised.

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Interestingly, I found him the least creepy in this episode because he atleast *acts* like the regular jealous guy. The lime-soda moment wouldn't have happened if his every move is calculated. He still thinks of her in moments of solitude, and that doesn't look staged or benefit him in any way. :)

I also found him the most humanized in his interaction with Seol-Ha, because of his comment on 'letting the butterflies go'. Almost as if he wants to convince himself that he can let go of his philandering past. Seol-Ha just happens to know him better, lol. Also, she's in on the euphemisms and innuendos around 'butterflies'..... :/
I watched that scene the second time, and you're right, it's very creepy with the angles and the creepy music.
Oh no, you've convinced me back into thinking JE might be a serial-killer...T_T

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Agree, I am sure that he does like her.
When he took care of her, I thought at first that he is deep down a really nice guy, but on second thought everything looks carefully calculated. Every time Na-bi tells him to leave, he comes up with a totally disarming reason first to enter the apartment and then to stay there.
Yes - totally a serial killer.

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I had joked earlier that this show was 'Do You Like Barahms' for extroverts. Maybe in the end Na-bi will realize she's always going to be a mediocre sculptor.

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In this case the let the butterflies go was literal, it could also have been figurative but only time will tell. He has butterflies that he raises(idk if that is right word) and he goes around showing girls the videos he takes of them.

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I forgot about the real butterflies, but I doubt that is what he was talking about. That remark is so cryptic, because we really do not know much about Jae-un's thoughts.

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I too was glad to see Na Bi reclaiming herself. Then the ending happened. Lol. But ever since the Lipstic kiss I have devided I at no point will try to sympathise with her regarding her relationship with Jae Un.

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I do feel sorry for Na-bi, because she will have her heart broken, but I am sure she will be ok after a while. She is not so innocent and actually does not trust him completely. In all honesty, would a night with Jae-un not be sooo much better than with an oaf like Eun-ha?

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Lol. I want to call Eun Ha 'Puppy Boy'.
She will be okay and I had no problem with any of this arrangement until she started contemplating love. If she can protect herself from a heartbreak, why not save herself fron heartbreak? But then I guess every human is different. No matter how hard we try, we will end up making mistakes.

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I know I shouldn't, but I ship Sol and Joo-hyuk so much. How sweet is he buying lunch just so he could see her again? I know Sol likes Ji-wan, but I don't think Ji-wan likes her back. She's just jealous Sol has other friends. During spin the bottle when Ji-wan leaned in for the kiss, she was leading Sol on.

I admire Bit-na's YOLO lifestyle, but she's leading Kyu-hyun on. She's so touchy-feely with him, putting her feet up on his lap and leaning on his shoulder, when he's in the friend zone. Kyu-hyun clearly likes Bit-na who's just going to treat this as a one-night stand.

Yet I agreed with our ultimate leader-on when Na-bi got upset at him for never contacting her when she didn't contact him neither. Na-bi keeps overthinking and assuming things from Yoon-ji to Seol-ah. From an outsider's perspective, girls throw themselves at Jae-eon, but he doesn't flirt back. We know Jae-eon's a playboy, but his calling 119 made me swoon. Eun-han was annoying as hell; I can't believe that boy had the audacity to cheat.

Chae Jong-hyeop, please be good because Na-bi doesn't need any more jerks in her life. Thanks a bunch for the weecap, @missvictrix!

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Nabi is a bundle of contradictions and a bunch of double-standards herself. She wants him, but won't verbalize it, ever. He's not a mind-reader sweetie. And whenever he makes a move, she plays on, but then pushes him aside with a soft rejection. I'm glad JE calls her out on the rooftop, she needed a reality-check. She could have swallowed her pride and messaged him like an adult.
Deep down, she wants to be pursued (like both JE and EH were doing)... but she also wants the fiery sexual-attraction, hence she would always go with JE. Not like EH ever stood a chance, even if he wasn't stringing her along as Plan B to his high-school crush.

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Thank you for this recap! I too keep watching this show even though there is a part of me that questions myself for watching it. I actually liked most of the side parts in this episode just so we have a better context of the setting in the drama...

I am also glad we got more of Jae-eon in solo scenes - even if they were a bit mysterious. I think Nabi's narrations can be so relatable and understandable given all the emotions she's going through.

When I watch this drama I find quite a lot of it to be very real-life, especially the emotional/psychological components to it, and then also parts of it (with Jae-eon) that don't always seem to be... I think that's why I want to keep watching because I honestly have no idea where this story will go. So we will see!

Also, the chemistry between them.... is just so natural. If that wasn't there I don't think I would continue watching to be honest.

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I don't quite know whether I like the changes made in the story compared with the webtoon this episode.

In the webtoon NaBi wasn't sick and her phone didn't die. She told JaeEon he could come over and then went out and ignored his calls. He then proceeds to call 911. They go out drinking and he takes her drunk ass home. She begs him to not make her the weird girl because he started flirting with her first. They spend the night cuddling. And then the next morning went like the show - except she did the sensible thing and asked him if he had any diseases. Girl kept her head on in that situation. (Sadly that last part was missing - it didn't quite fit the mood of the scene either, but would have been way more realistic.)

That changes the dynamic/motivations between them quite a bit. In the show they are much more sympathetic and likeable. Which is in a way a swoony change, but...

I like that in the webtoon they are both a**holes here. She for leading him on (for a change) and then ignoring him and him for being quite a bit more calculated when calling 911.

Ahh... my brain hurts. Which version do I prefer?

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Wow, this..... this changes everything.
I guess I'll take it as the writers wanted to redeem their characters a bit? You know, instead of 'you're trash and you had it coming!'... to 'man, I wish it didn't have to end this way for you.'
The outcomes are the same, but everything that goes behind it is different. Wonder how graphic the showdown will be :D

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This webtoon version is far more interesting. Please keep posting any differences from the original on the recaps.

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Its interesting how the actress Han So-he can, for brief moments, look VERY young, like a schoolgirl, before returning to TV series heroine mode. This plays in well with the series. You oscillate between 'Oh, she looks sexy' and 'Oh, she looks like a student' which mirrors the anxiety of the drama.
I'll wager nobody posting to the episode 2 board had predicted Nabi would find a 'nice guy' potential boyfriend who would immediately make Jae-un look good in comparison! The way the prospect of kissing 'nice guy' provoked a derisory laugh from her. Oof.

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I think one reason I don't get as upset with Nabi is that I believe Korean dating culture is a bit more conservative than in the west? I could be wrong, but I've heard that often to be in a physical relationship it's been agreed that the relationship is serious, possibly with marriage in mind. So I can see why she seems to think that because she is physically attracted to Jae-un then they must be already falling for each other. It can seem like she is sometimes trying to convince herself that her own feelings are more than just attraction.

I am not sure I want Bit na to fall for her friend. I like that she is unapologetic about the fact that she just wants to have fun right now.

I need Sol to come out ok at the end of this. It is interesting how no one seems to be picking up on her feelings for Ji Wan. I do think that Ji wan has feelings for Sol too, but maybe has never recognized them and just focused on the more traditional blind dates for a prospective groom.

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It's not the first rodeo for any of the mentioned girls. Nabi had been with an older guy, so she got turned out real good... Seol-a was Jae's ex. She would've taken him back but he was really into Nabi by now... and Bit-na was a ho.. (sorry)

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drama where did you get your story from because it feels like you read part of my blog or is it just this real
I kno this exact type of guy. you can never tell and yet you want to believe

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I hope to god that Bit-na and that guy only went as far as kissing that night. Do NOT have them have a "one night stand" knowing damn well that she was wasted while he was sober, and then build a love storyline out of that. I can't take those anymore.

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But Bit-na is used to casual sex as she loudly told Kyu-hyun and Na-bi in class who tried to get her to quiet down. I think they will definitely end up in bed together, but rather than her being taken advantage of, I think Kyu-hyun will want a serious relationship because he likes her, while Bit-na will blow it off as a one-night stand.

Besides, both of them were drinking at the after-party. He was just not as wasted as she was.

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I get what you mean but that is not what I was talking about. I was talking about the moment they started making out. She clearly isn't totally herself, she's almost incoherent, meanwhille he's not. He was standing outside having a smoke, and had the lucidity to tell her to get it together. These are two people with different levels of awareness. Even if they both drank, one is past coherent decision making and the other is not. I really have trouble seing how she could have consented to having sex if she was this wasted. I actually like the guy, he is one of the most likeable caracters so far, but this is just a turn-off.
Unless they find a way to establish that she sobered up before the sex, or that he too got wasted, I can't get behind this mess. If not, then to me she would have been taken advantage of THAT night.
Also, casual sex doesn't have to be drunk. As long as she is making the informed choice to sleep with these guys, it wouldn't change the circomstances of this particular "Hookup".
So yes, drunken one night stands are a mess and I wish writers would realise the nuances they hold before carelessly depicting them.

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well, her dreams came true.
That is something.

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It started the same way too, Jae-Won turning up at her doorstep, unannounced! :)

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Google Translate says the Korean title 알고있지만 is translated as "I Know" but someone mentioned the word can't be translated easily into English. Apparently, its a formal term for use in presentations and the like, its meant to imply you are deeply familiar with the material. 알 at the front of the word can be taken to mean 'I REALLY know this subject.'
The results of my brief internet puttering leads me to believe the original translation can be (very) loosely interpreted "C'mon girls, we all know about this kind'a stuff, don't we."

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The translation is more like: "I know, but nevertheless..."

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It’s kind of “I know, but still…” And if I were stretching beyond that it would sort of be “it’s obvious, but still there’s something…”

Which I think is pretty apt. Yeah, I know this isn’t going to end well. But there’s something in there that I want, so I’m going to do it anyway, somewhat resigned to inevitable fate the whole time.

Really good name for this show, actually.

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It's like "I know, but/although I know/even though I know." So very in line with how Nabi is acting. She knows Jae Eon is trouble, but...

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I think that Jae-eon is seducing Nabi for her place. Her apartment is pretty, adorable, and spacious! In contrast, have you all seen his place? It's composed of a couch, a drawing table, and the walls are gray concrete! He also has a greenhouse where he keeps his butterflies?

Jae-eon is practical and it's all about the real estate. XD

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Ridiculous. The boy is rich. Hes always buying drinks or food for the group.. He drives a Mazaratti.. and his place is really cool with those plants and trees that attract butterflies..

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When you encounter this individual IRL with all the red flags, pulling away is easier said than done. The force is too strong when your near each other. I was able to resist him for two years. Avoid him at all cost. I thought I won over the enigmatic force between us but I was wrong. A typical day with a common friend lead me to meet him again. A confusing conversation with him that end up with a kiss and a relationship that lasted for one season and a broken heart that was not mine.

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I agree. The drama suggests that there is romance and heartbreak. Na-bi falls hard (just like with her ex). I can't blame her, Jae-eon is dreamy and a smooth talker. He sounds sincere when he is with her but that seems to be his personality.
He told Sol-ah, his old friend and maybe a former lover that she is his fate. That seems to be a tip-off.
I love romance and a feel-good drama. The scenario that I would lke is for Jae-eon and Na-bi to stay together. Given Jae-on's track record, it may not be possible.
I can't wait to see the end of the drama.

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I read the first 2 episodes here and checked out this ep. All I can say is, I don't blame na-bi. Not at all. Having experienced something similar, it truly is hard to understand a habit player. I was sav by my friend, and his lack of concern towards me. But this guy, is concerned about her. He totally has her on his mind, and is very open about it too. Off course, she will fall for him... Am sad coz moving on is difficult.

But they truly have unbelievable chemistry. The tension is so real. You want to do it but you also don't want to get into it. It is amazing

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Why must every kdrama heroine be perfect? The standards are unrealistic, oppressive and boring, it's ok for the jerk male leads to do all kinds of nonsense because deep down they have a heart of gold, some past trauma, and will eventually fall in love with heroine. The FL on the other hand must always be this role model of niceness, it's fine if she's a bit klutzy and naive but that's it. Please don't be a real young woman that probably needs to fall for one or two manipulative man to learn some lesson about the world and yourself.

This episode was a bit of a filler but I did appreciate the main idea of having that maknae be unreliable, even if it the execution was heavy handed, it was a nice way to make Na-bi realize that if she was going to be a fool, she might as well do it with who she really wants.

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After this episode, I stand by my original thought that I don't have much sympathy for either leads. Na-bi knows what she is getting into and Jae-Un knows he is playing with her. Honestly, I feel like they are okay with all of this, but are gun shy because of their past. Are they jut super sensitive over things that happened in the past? I say this as someone who hasn't been burn a whole lot in my previous relationships.

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Right now this seems like the topic of most discussions I had with other girls in college. Is he serious? What does he want? Is the goal only to have sex with me?
He could turn out to be a master manipulator, but he just seems to me to be someone who views sex as a great thing to do with someone you like and are attracted to. He isn't saying "I love you" to her, he isn't telling her he wants a relationship. He has said, on more than one occasion, I believe, do we have to define it? Can't we be friends?
If she wants to know what he wants, how he feels, whether he wants a dating relationship with her, she needs to speak up, ask, and set her own boundaries.
He is not to blame for her confusion. And she has done some "come here, come here, come here, getta away, getta away, getta away" herself, we just don't hear his POV so we aren't registering how confusing her behavior probably is to him.
I hope neither of them are villains and both of them experience this as a good learning experience. Not very K-dramaish but closer to my own experiences. And still dramatic.

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I really like them like from the very first until now their chemistry is good enough to all the viewers wish we had a season 2 plsss

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It's almost too obvious that some of these comment contributors have never been in a sexy, head-over-heels relationship before! Where the loving was so good nothing else mattered! I feel for them. Look, when young people are falling in love that's all they do is look and stare at each other! No words necessary! Their hearts are speaking! But that early morning love scene in Ep. 3 reminded me of my younger days! It was sensual, tastefully done, not rushed, they BOTH wanted it to happen... even Nabi had to admit "it was so good.." she couldn't even blame it on being drunk, so she went into it with both eyes wide open! I wish y'all would stop making Jae the villain and Nabi the victim here! If she didn't want it, she could've ended it right after that 1st time, but she loved being with that big, sexy, handsome Montana! They spent so much time together they both fell head-over-heels, so stop making it seem like he was using her, because don't forget, she's the one that wanted to keep their relationship secret... why was that?? Why didn't she tell Do just how deep they were into each other? ija....

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