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Nevertheless: Episode 5 Open Thread

As our heroine tries to extricate herself from her complicated relationship, she takes a step back, and it turns out to be the best thing for her. But their breakup has also caused internal turmoil for our butterfly-loving hero, and it doesn’t look like he’s willing to let her go.

 
EPISODE 5 WEECAP

As predicted, the attack on Jae-un at the end of last week’s episode was from an angry oppa — Jae-un was “seeing” his little sister. The situation rightly freaks Na-bi out, as does the warning from this protective older brother that she should stop seeing Jae-un before her life is ruined. Little does everyone know that’s exactly what she was trying to do.

The fight, and the aftermath of it, actually work to Na-bi’s advantage, and she and Jae-un have an emotional exchange where Na-bi ends their relationship. The difficulty she has in defining what their relationship even is, or if it was a thing that could be ended, exemplifies the problem completely: “What are we?”

Jae-un is moody at home, hanging out with his butterflies, and leaving his hair (i.e., bangs) down the next day, since Na-bi liked the look on him. As for Na-bi, she throws herself into her artwork, ideating a new piece, and working on the figures that we’ve seen her laboring over since Episode 1.

Na-bi misses him, but tries to move on; Jae-un, however, continues to exercise his power over her. He gets to her emotions while ignoring her in the stairwell, and then the next day, switches back to his touchy-feely self, even pulling her hair back into a quick ponytail with his hands.

Hair is indeed the theme of this episode. Jae-un wears his down, and people notice. Na-bi goes back and forth between her hair down and the ponytail Jae-un prefers, and is often seen switching modes/mindsets by putting it up, or ripping it out (more on that later). Finally, we even have Bit-na changing her hair in this episode as well as a consequence of her emotions, exchanging the magenta streaks for blonde.

Bit-na is in her own world of turmoil over Kyu-hyun. She might have huffed and puffed and pushed him away, but she’s clearly hung up on him. He’s cold and ignores her, but when she’s drunk in the streets (again) he’s the first one to come to her aid, confess that he’s not sleeping because of her, and piggyback her home. These two continue to be my favorite couple in the show — well, Kyu-hyun to be exact, but I do like the way they balance each other. He’s quiet and firm and steady; she’s emphatic and emotional and wild. I hope we get more of their story in the second half of the drama.

Hair isn’t the only mechanism for showing people undergoing relationship stress, though. Jae-un even goes as far as to change his number, giving the excuse that he’s “sick of things.” However, he and Na-bi are soon pulled back together like two magnets. He volunteers as an assistant for her next project, and the two spend countless hours in the shop as he teaches her how to work with metal.

Na-bi finally warms up to him again. At first she takes what he says with a grain of salt, but his words seem to win her over. He says she was right about keeping her at a distance; he says he wants to change. They’re not sure what that means yet, but the two find ease with each other again, and for the first time I don’t feel squicky watching them.

What we have a sore lack of in this episode, though, is Do-hyuk (better known as Team Potato, as has been exploding on the interwebs this past week). After that great intro last week, I’m waiting for him to play a bigger part in this story, but he only had one scene in this week’s episode. He makes Na-bi his gook-su, compliments her work, and shows genuine interest in her artistic vision (and her food critic skills lol). He even buys her lipstick. Everyone but Na-bi can see he’s head over heels.

The final bit of trouble lurking in the distance is Seol-ah. Her true relationship to Jae-un has yet to be explained. To be honest, I’ve been taking advantage of the mystery and hoping they would turn out to be drama siblings — but the final scene of our episode pretty much destroy that hope.

Seol-ah is well aware of who and what Na-bi is to Jae-un, but she plays dumb — until she drops his butterfly lighter right at Na-bi’s feet. This prompts a pretty fierce exchange between the two (made so mostly because of the subtext), where Seol-ah says she and Jae-un used to date, “and are dating again.” Although it’s just a few sentences, she knows how hard it hits Na-bi.

Our girl Na-bi, though? She’s done being played. She may have found some comfort in her new relationship with Jae-un, but the exchange with Seol-ah seems to effectively wreck whatever was just built. She listens to Seol-ah after claiming to be only Jae-un’s friend, but as she walks away, she tells Seol-ah not to cut her hair “because Jae-un likes doing it with your hair up.” Umm!

As Na-bi turns on her heel to leave, she whips her hair out of her ponytail, which is effectively the same thing as renouncing Jae-un. At least for now.

We’re only at the halfway point of our drama, and we still have a whole heap of characters and emotions and past secrets to wade through. After finding a more “healthy” and solid starting ground for their relationship, I’m curious when and if our drama will take that darker, heavier turn in Jae-un and Na-bi’s relationship again. We’ve had buckets of foreshadowing dumped on us in every single episode, so it can’t all be for naught. In fact, I’ve got a hunch we’re only getting started.

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Na-bi is the worst. I feel Jae-un's pain. I had a 'Na-bi' back many years ago in art school, myself. She sets the parameters of the relationship, then her mood changes according to some internal monologue that she doesn't share, becomes angry if you adhere to the parameters she set and becomes more angry if you ask for something deeper. Eventually she breaks you into a thousand pieces and moves on to her next infatuation.
Na-bi backed Jae-un into a corner so the only respectful thing he could say was she had the last word on the fate of their relationship. But Na-bi took it as dismissive. Ugh, did she expect him to go caveman on her instead?

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Meanwhile I was Na Bi, with a guy who drew lines all over the place while gaslighting me and being an emotional vampire, so I am VERY MUCH into her attitude here and feeling like she’s doing a good job staying out of his vague vortex.

But I think that’s one of the best points of the show: that many of us will see a parallel to a lived relationship and react accordingly. And viscerally.

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This is why I am enthralled by this show. Every guy has met a Nabi; every girl knows or was involved with a Jae-un. There’s no bad person here. There’s lots of immaturity, poor communication. Internal monologues that don’t explain actions entirely. We are left trying to figure what everyone’s motives are. I’ve found it so engaging trying to figure out each of these motives and back stories and why they do what they do. It’s tiresome in real life, but I can deal with them in a show.

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Istg, I have zero patience for such people in my life, aka friends from Uni who refused to grow up. But I'm oddly enjoying the characters in the show, and how inconsistent they are (not because of bad-writing) but because they're still young adults trying to figure themselves out :) Feels oddly familiar and nostalgic, like somebody put a rose-tinted romantic filter on our college lives! ^^

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I confess, I am finding Na-bi to be a questionable narrator. Ironically, for all the doubts she expresses about Jae-un's intentions, she is the one who seems to have no internal? emotional? backbone. She continuously waffles back and forth based on external cues like friends gossiping, etc.

If you like him, then like him; find the good in him and stick with him.

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There IS good in him, for sure - but it might not be good for her, which is an important distinction. I’m capable of understating that a guy isn’t good for me, while also understanding that he might be good for someone else… It sucks when that person is massively attractive to you and you have fantastic sex, but you never quite lose sight of the pain down the road, and if you’re smart you get out before that becomes a legally binding commitment.

I feel the same about free-wheeling people who somehow get entangled with monogamists, by the way - you’re both good people. You’re just a terrible couple.

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Here's the thing- you can be a Perfect Couple, and you are still going to sink under all the disastrous mis-steps and mis-communications between Na-bi and Jae-un.

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Yeah, I also feel that vibe on her. Jae-eon didn't promise anything to her. Didn't lie or cover what ever he is doing. He is going with his own flow. He tried several times to kiss her and when she refused, he didn't insist. When they finally kissed (on her lead) it is very clear that she is okay with everything on the table. Too much expectation, so little expression.

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Is the drama following the webtoon? Jae-eon's wanting to change and date actually feels sincere. I feel so sorry for Do-hyuk every time he's smitten because Na-bi's going to break his heart. Even if she tries to get over Jae-eon, he will always be in her heart, and Do-hyuk would be a rebound, which is unfair to him. Like annoying hoobae Eun-han whom Na-bi was just forcing herself to like.

As someone who sleeps around, I really expected Bit-na to be cooler about their one-night stand, but she got jealous over Kyu-hyun's love life quick. He's a catch, so for his sake, I'm glad she's changed. My heart skipped twice today: when Kyu-hyun told Bit-na, "I think of you every night," and when Kyung-joon sunbae asked Min-young, "Do you want to stay at my house?"

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Webtoon (as spoilerfree as I can make it up to the point of the drama story):

After the breakup in the beginning, which felt much calmer to me, JeaEon makes NaBi take him home after all, because he has a nosebleed... There they have a heart to heart and he explains his reasons for being the way he is (more detail is given here than just 'I'm sick of myself.') and she tells him about her mother.

After that is a two months (or so) time jump, where they are just friends - with NaBi still being hung up and JeaEon (seriously) dating someone else. We never get the name of the girlfriend but the exchange at the end tells me that character is SolAh.

The girlfriend in the webtoon is absolutly unsuspecting (JaeEon got a new custom lighter made for the both of them with butterflys) and NaBi is obviously being a jealous bitch when she tells her about JaeEons 'preference'.

The change between show and webtoon, so far, is mostly that we get to see them being 'just' friends (basically everything except the breakup and the talk at the end is 'new') and SolAh being manipulative and possessive. JeaEon is not her assistant in the webtoon. The art piece is also not the same... (They were really good with recreating the ones from the webtoon so far.)

Also the hair subtext is gone and JeaEon is not pursuing her during this time.

Which can mean one of two things:
1. They actually changed the ending. (Please no!)
2. They are gonna keep the ending but are gonna make it hurt even more, while also making both appear more sympathetic? (I don't think I can handle that. But I like that they still keep me guessing.)

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The whole bit na/gyu hyun development is classic "you don't know what you have till it's gone." Bit na took advantage of the fact that gyu hyun liked her and when she was not getting that attention anymore, she got jealous and it awakened something in her lol. I'm not going to lie, I don't hate that trope hahah

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They remind me of the 'You Drive Me Crazy' couple <3

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Both dramas had the guys seeming sober and the girls completely wasted when they kissed/had sex. Can't say I'm a fan of that.

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Someone mentioned in another thread that maybe Na Bi is the villain here. This episode seemed to encourage that hypothesis. That being said the relationship was always going to end badly. It is one thing if they were just having sex, but they were not, they were playing house. They were playing house at night, but still house. So although Na Bi looks bad here, so does Ja eun. He picked her to play games with her and that backfired. Now they are in a situation where he actually likes her, but because of her insecurities she doesn't know how to handle her emotions. Now Do Hyuk need not be involved in this at, this sweet sweet man is going to have his heart crushed and I don't want that for him. That being said Na Bi is not required to like him, hopefully when she lets him down she does it gently, because that will show her character.

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My kdrama friend and I also have the same feeling about Na-bi. I told her that the way Na-bi narrates the whole thing made me think that the ending will be her looking at her masterpiece while looking back on what inspires her then jump like a butterfly to potato guy as her latest victim. :X

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The “he likes doing it with your hair up” had me whooping out loud. YEAH. That is EXACTLY the way you take on that sort of passive-aggressive mean-girling and shut it down. The selling point being that I believe that Na Bi is 100% on board with never sleeping with Jae Eun again, or having him hear that snippet and cutting off comms. She is not in it for that anymore.

Honestly, I was proud of Na Bi and the way she broke it off with Jae Eun. I’m not necessarily even saying he’s a bad guy - just that his worldview and lifestyle aren’t compatible with hers. And she called that out, never letting it boomerang on her, always making it clear that she understood the rules of their relationship and that SHE was calling time on it because it didn’t work for her anymore. No guilt trips, no gaslighting. Just straight-up “this isn’t working, so I’m ending whatever it is”.

If Jae Eun is serious about pursuing her, then what she said to his ex will have no consequence. But Na Bi is aware of what her limits are, and she’s made them clear to Jae Eun explicitly and then again to his ex. Screw both of you people - if you want in on Na Bi’s life, there are entrance requirements, and neither of you have passed them so far. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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Wow! Love, love, love that Na Bi's claws came out, both with Jae Eun and Seol-a.

Also, I have to wonder, per some clues in Ep 5, whether Jae Eun is the 'butterfly flitting from flower to flower', or if he is the 'flower'. He keeps all these butterflies close by, and a butterfly landed on his hand and he did not release it, but instead blew it back into the aviary, and finally, in the studio one of the students told Na Bi that 'if Jae Eun comes to the workshop, everyone else will attend, too'. Is Jae Eun the flower that all these butterfly students are attracted to, or am I carrying this metaphor a bit too far?

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I hollered at Nabi’s parting shot! That was a gooood one!

Like I always said Jeo Un could be a player but he has never lied to her or tried to cover his tracks. He draws the line like she says and that’s okay. I don’t understand why she is this angry though. Does she not remember she wiped another girls lipstick of his face before making out with him? Huh? *eyeroll*

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Thank you for this recap!

Is it fair to say this? I think this may have actually been my most favorite episode of the series thus far - part of it was also being able to see Nabi and Jae-eon being in scenes together without the scenes being romantically or sexually charged (although... the chemistry is still VERY much there. They chose the perfect actors for this drama, I literally feel the chemistry on the screen), and it felt really normal/comfortable to see them together.

I like the unpredictability in all of the characters and also really liked being able to learn a bit more about Jae-eon today. I am hoping Seol's role is not to just hold onto Jae-eon, but that there is more of a backstory... I am not familiar with the webtoon though so not sure.

Also, I may not have the most popular opinion, but for some reason I am not feeling invested in Bit-na's character or her story with Kyu-hyun. Maybe I need to re-watch her scenes in the drama to get more invested... I think part of it also may be I was initially so gripped (and feeling pulled/conflicted) about Nabi and Jae-eon that I just wanted to keep watching their scenes + some of the other characters. So far though, I am invested in this drama, even with some of the painful scenes that are sometimes a bit too relatable :)

Also have to mention both acting from the lead actors has been really good. I have actually not seen either Song Kang or Han So Hui in a drama before and was immediately taken in by Han So Hui's portrayal of Nabi. I think Song Kang took a bit more time for me but after re-watching parts of the drama I notice he has some great non-verbal, subtle expressions, that make a big difference in his and Nabi's scenes. And I also though the emotionally charged scenes in this episode were very well acted by both of them.

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I believe the drama will be much different from webtoon and put JaeBi as the endgame cuz we can feel in the drama Jaeon is indeed more invest in Nabi, unlike in the webtoon, he did all the change for his ex girlfriend. And what makes Jaeon (Song Kang) particularly much more loveable is that he never lie to Nabi. In fact he laid all this card on the table and it is her choice to choose (unlike her ex boyfriend who kept manipulating and lying and using her for his own goods). So ya, i believe there will be HE for this drama :)

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That parting shot. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 meow. These girls really know how to get under each other's skin, and all over a boy. I laughed. I sighed.

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I just wish Potato Boy had the same chemistry as Nabi did with Jae eon. Then it would seem that she settled with second best, which would be unfair to him. Also, did show have to make him gift Nabi with a lipstick when Jae eon gave her jewelry??

Is show making a statement that stability and boredom is better than excitement and chemistry? In this case, I would prefer that Nabi didn't end up with anyone... until she finds everything she wants in one man.

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Wouldn't it be ironic if Nabi led Potato Boy on the same way she was led on by Jae eon? :(

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She is kind of leading him on. I know she's not obligated to tell him about her love life nor would her friends with benefits come up in a conversation, and she's so naïve that she can't see that he likes her, but she keeps hanging out with him, making him think he has a chance.

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I don't think she's leading him on (this would require her to be aware that he likes her). Yes, it seems naive that she doesn't know he likes her, but it seems like she truly doesn't. Guys and girls can be just friends.

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Na-bi comes across to me as someone who is willfully ignorant, not naive and innocent. She wants Jae-eon to be her boyfriend, so she allows herself to get invested in him when he has invested nothing. If anything, he made it clear what he was looking for. For poor Potato Boy, he is clearly interested in her but she seems again happy to ignore his clear interest in her. But to me, she doesn't come across as stupid or naive, she comes across as someone not willing to see what's in front of them because she wants to live in her own fantasy. She does break it off with Jae-eon but, then is she just going to flit to another man, another "flower" as another commenter aptly put it, getting what she wants from them and then going on her way again?

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Is it me? It felt weird to have him give her lipstick. Like a prelude to a controlling boyfriend. I really hope he doesn't turn out to be that--I was really liking Do-hyuk.

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The lipstick gift was super random. God works hard, but PPL works harder. Hahahha. I think they just needed to fulfill their PPL quota so they stuck that in

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I also hope that it is just a PPL choice. I thought the dress present was already far too personal, but lipstick is sooo not acceptable.

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I think my issue with the lipstick gift was that it was so random and out of the blue (no purpose), which clearly illustrates (to us) Do Hyuk's feelings for Na Bi. You don't get a female friend a gift just because you thought of them or it reminded you of them. If I were Na Bi and there was logic in dramas (lol) then I would question the gift's meaning.

I was OK with Jae Eon's gifts because they were more justified with a purpose -- it was her birthday and then for the jewellery, he felt bad that it broke because of him.

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your not alone. I felt weird with his smile and the whole "potato guy" persona. The smile give me creeps.

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Personally, the lipstick felt super inappropriate as a gift to a girl you haven't shared your feelings with yet.

Why not a sketchbook? Or something...

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Yes, it's too personal, not to say anything about the price of that brand. Then again, he was already creepy giving her the umbrella when she was almost inside her house.

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I didn't think giving her the umbrella was creepy, but just extra and very much an overly "nice guy" move where they were really trying to sell us his feelings for her lol.

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I just wish Na-bi and Potato Boy were close friends, not long-lost childhood friends. In Episode 2 when she told Jae-eon she has a friend who doesn't date either, but he's cold to girls, I thought she was talking about Do-hyuk.

How did they even recognize each other on the bus? They were kids ten years ago. They barely know each other as adults. You're a different person at 23 than you were at 13.

They have no sexual chemistry because she treats him as just a friend. I'm Team No One. Na-bi will always compare every boyfriend to Jae-eon, which is unfair to Do-hyuk.

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I also thought Do Hyuk was going to be the friend Nabi mentioned earlier about being cold to girls. Guess we were wrong lol

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I find it actually clever directing that Potato Boy and Nabi don't have the same kind of chemistry as Jaeun and Nabi. The drama is showing us that pursuing a relationship chemistry can lead to bad decisions: i.e. entering a friends with benefits arrangements with great sex but which eventually leaves Nabi frustrated and dissatisfied.

Chemistry is a funny thing, with some people the sparks fly immediately, and with others, it comes gradually as you get to know them.

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I don't clever is the correct way to describe it. It's very much just the way second leads are typically depicted for contrast. There's nothing really new about Do Hyuk's character that hasn't been done a million times before in other dramas. I do think it is slightly creepy that he's been holding onto his crush for her for so long, though. This was also my issue with Love Alarm and the "second" lead who became first lead lol. His crush on Jojo was a bit too creepy for my liking...following her and working at the same place as her.

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I too love Na bi with claws! It's great to see her using her voice. It gives me hope that she'll have her 'come to jesus' moment where she'll learn to see how her behaviors support people using/abusing her. It's so nice seeing women not take crap from anybody.
I too was hoping Sol was his sister-- I guess I was wishing we could avoid the jealous manipulative ex-girlfriend...oh well...
I have to say though--JE knows exactly what to do make a girl swoon. He's got a bag of tricks that's as good as certified. It just makes me sad that he's using his well-practiced & proven techniques to win her heart. I guess when you got it, and you know it works, use it. Maybe even more sad if he doesn't know any other way to be without using his skills.

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Wow the PPL was extra strong this episode lol. I said this already but...God works hard, but PPL in dramas work harder. Lmaooo.

It seems we are getting glimmers of hope and Jae Eon may actually like Na Bi?? I hope we aren't reading too much into this like she is 😂. Director-nim, please answer our prayers and give us a happy ending. I know it would end up being so tropey if Na Bi is the one that changes Jae Eon, and they end up together, but I don't care. If it's with the right characters, I will welcome the tropes with open arms. 🤣🤣🤣

But please don't drag out this jealous ex-gf situation for too long. I knewww she was going to play that game. And she lied about throwing away her matching lighter.

The preview next week got me like 🤞 with Jae Eon going to find Na Bi. If he didn't like her, would he go that far (both literally and figuratively) and put in that much effort?

Sure, potato guy is cute, but...I really hope they do not switch the male lead on us a la Love Alarm. I think I have PTSD because of that drama now lol. Let Song Kang get the girl, damn it!!

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Oh, I forgot about Seol-a having a matching lighter. I thought JE had let her borrow his. But you may be so right about Seol-a lying to JE to pretend she doesn’t care that much, but in fact wants him back. Maybe Seol-a is the manipulative one who broke JE’s heart, and JE regressed emotionally afterwards. Perhaps NB is the one to put JE back in touch with his feelings?!? 🙏

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Oh NO! Totally random, but this reminds me of one of my messed-up friends (yes, I had to friendzone him to stop letting him mess with my mind and my heart).... he had his heart-broken by his high-school One-True-Love. She was a year older and went off to a different city for Uni. He thought they were doing long-distance for the year he was still in school, till one day she called him up and said this: 'I don't think I'm serious about you or even been serious about you. This is not love, and I don't think I can do this. Ps. I was two-timing you. Bye.'

They resumed their friendship/ acquaintance after a few years, but yeah, safe to say, he's never been the same sweet kid after that. Ten years later, and he still gets weird ego-trips putting women in the same spot JW has put Nabi in.
So girls, breaking up is okay. Don't mess with the guy's heart. Please, for the sake of sanity of the woman-kind.
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This is why my husband will never be without a job. That’s a mess.

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I really hope they end up together in the end. T.T

If not, I would rather Nabi not end up with either and just go to France and study like she wanted to. It would be a very bittersweet ending, though. I have a feeling this will be the case. Nabi will change JE, but they will not end up together. Sighhhhhhhh.

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I'm back from the future, after watching ep. 6. And holy shit, you called it right. Seol-A IS THE OG manipulator who broke poor JE's heart, which caused him to regress emotionally afterwards! WOAH! __/\__
Ugh, there is always this *one* woman who makes the nice dude fall of the rails, and turn him into a play-aa! -_-

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Also, I will say that it was weird how Na Bi was amicable towards Jae Eon so quickly after their "break up." She really does have it bad lol. I know part of it was because of the gift (earrings/necklace), but she lost her resolve real fast hahah. I guess no matter how she tries to fight it, she just can't stay angry at JE.

Also, when are they going to finally release Sam Kim's OST song????? I want to hear the full song!!

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Thoughts this week:
-Lost count of how many times our homeboy looks like Kim Min Jae throughout this episode. Yes, I miss him :P
-Class-rounds by profs during studio-hours gives me chills. It's oddly haunting instead of being nostalgic and sweet. Yes, I dreaded studios. Yes, my profs were more awful than this Piece of Work lady.
-Nabi's breakup speech was so cool! For the first moment, I felt she was honest to herself (usually she's only honest during her monologues). So YES, seeing her being level-headed and not being carried away by emotions... was refreshing and empowering to watch,
-SK does Sadboi faces pretty well :)
-Bit-Na is so petty, istg. But her and Kyu-Hyun are adorbs together!
-How does Nabi use 15 different kinds of Dyson attachments, but her hair looks the same, always? :O
-How does SK have a tiny face but a huge body and huge hands? :O
-Omygod, the department assigns seniors to work with juniors for their final projects? Omygod, why didn't we have this system in our college? we had to pretty much fight for and bribe the kids to work with us T_T
-Seriously, she specializes in clay sculptures, yet she chose METAL for her final project? How desperate are you woman? Get yourself a CLEAN break!
-The last line... omg! We stan a savage queen <3
-The ex-gf wasn't a snake in the webtoon. Nabi's line was uncalled for, and came off as super-bitchy there. Uh-oh, are they giving her a protagonist-halo? :O
-Wait.... are they also going with the cliched 'boy boy changes for good girl' route? Looks like it and I'll be so disappointed. Wish they pull an ultimate red-herring with this one. It'll be even sweeter if she finally gets to say F-O to Jae-Eon! <3
-I missed the indie-vibes this week. Wish they stuck to a 6-ep length TT

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As soon as that Dyson session came up I was reminded of you. The girl had an entire suitcase full of attachements.
This breakup speech was the most honest I have seen them talk so far.

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Nope, I'm not gonna shut up about the Dyson. I'm two years into the profession and still eyeing to invest into one. And I'm still salty as HECK about living the 'poor-artist's' life for the sake of creativity in art-school, and I don't think I have been scammed by a 'philosophy' as hard. Ever. So seeing a pre-final year Nabi use Dyson to style her hair the *same* day everyday, rubs me very wrong xD
also, f*ck capitalism. xD

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May the Dyson be with Chibi soon. *Prays to Dyson Gods.* Na Bi should do a giveaway. That style does not suit her anyways. Too choppy.

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"How does SK have a tiny face but a huge body and huge hands? :O"

You might not see heaven for this comment and me for laughing too hard at it... Now I can't unsee it 😭

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Plis, he's like a human-version of baymax from big hero 6 :3
-yep, i'm booking an express ticket for hell :P

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I want Na Bi and Jae Un to sit down, have some coffee ( they are Korean so most likely Americano) and then actually talk their heart out.
If Bit Na can change why can't Jae Un? Plus it seems he too gets used by others for his looks and popularity.
The only villian in this episode was Sol Ah. Did she leave him behind for an exchange programme? Did they actually started dating or was she just making it up?
Like that sculptures she made, it is upto our interpretation where things are work-in-progress or destruction. I like that Na Bi found her groove again and I hope she does not lose it again because of whatever.
Ha Do-Kwon's cameo was so fun. Lol. Man goes from polite to punch in no time.

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I had the same thought about whether Seol-a and Jae Eun are dating ‘again’. I don’t think JE has ever lied to NB, and JE told NB he was not ‘seeing’ anyone else. But ‘seeing’ someone to JE means a physical relationship, and it means something more of an emotional and physical relationship to NB. I don’t think JE is physical with Seol-a, but does spend time with her. Did Seol-a break JE’s heart and put him on the ‘physical’ only relationship train? Does Seol-a now want JE back, but he’s resistant bc hes staring to realize he’s now fallen in love with NB? Oooooo …. can’t wait for more kdrama!

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From far Seol-A seemed sorted, but something about her had put me off. Maybe she had assumed Jae-Un would come back to her once he has played around and matured up? However, this behaviour of her was not mature at all. Only if Jae-Un was a better communicator, a lot of our questions would get answered. Lack of his perspective makes the conversation seem incomplete.

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You mean an iced Americano lol.

The part where Jae Eon overhears the two girls talking about him was interesting and definitely gave us more insight about Jae Eon's character. Like you said, it seems people have used JE only for his looks and popularity (this reminds me of Cheese in the Trap). Lol at that girl trying to make herself look good by saying she broke it off with JE after a few dates. OK, girl, sure.

Seol-A definitely made up the part about her and Jae Eon dating again just to cause trouble. She is jealous that JE may actually be sincere towards NB and is annoyed that someone else was able to change him and not her. She clearly sees JE changing and is afraid that he'll stop paying attention to her. Also, she is just the classic jealous ex-gf who likes to stay friends with her ex's for her own selfish reasons (to not feel lonely, confidence booster, possessive, etc).

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True. True. And True.
You have explained my sentiments even better, especially regarding Seol-Ah.

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TBH Sol ah CLEARLY made that up just to stir nabi,,, like if they were jaeon wouldn't have forgotten about her in the metal studio lols

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Right!

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This drama is doing a great job making me constantly switch alliances. I thought at first that Na-bi was a boring, nothing character. However, she can be dangerous in her own way. She knows how to get under people's skin (that line thrown at Seol-a was CRUEL in the best possible way) and I think she's playing more with Jae-eon than she realizes. Really, suddenly you're doing your final project with metal, interesting considering which artist we knows works with metal..... However, I don't dislike her. I think she is much more interesting than I expected. Her final art piece was telling. Is she crumbling or is she in the process of becoming who she wants to be?

Jae-eon clearly has some stuff going on that he doesn't want to share with others. He's a damaged boy, blah blah blah. How about a woman's doesn't fix him and he fixes himself? I also don't hate him but dude is just super immature and needs to take a look at his own behavior instead of just sleeping with girls or dating whoever that ex is from his past.

I'm currently on team Na-bi and Jae-eon ending up alone. We're getting great side romances, so I'm good with those. More Sol and Ji-wan please!!!!

Also, the HAIR! If anyone has watched, Fleabag, there's a line where
she proclaims that "Hair is everything" and the hair dresser responds, "If you want to change your life, change your life. This is just hair." I mean, who hasn't thought about changing their hair after a big life change? Even though it was annoying, dyson was an appropriate sponsor for this episode.

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There are some encouraging signs that Jae-un is trying to fix himself. He was confronted with some home truths from various sides in this episode. From the guy who punched him, Na-bi and from the girls he overheard talking about him. He knows that people are trash talking behind his back, but this time he is starting to reflect on his behaviour. Good!

Na-bi is developing as well and I would like to see more of this reflected in her art work. I am pleased that she is starting to think more about what she wants and needs and is calling out bull for what it is, from Jae-un or Seol-a.

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Sol appears to be in a bind with Ji-wan. She's afraid that if she comes out to Ji-wan, which she desperately wants to do, Ji-wan will bolt. Ji-wan, for her part, is having difficulty processing unfamiliar emotions. Its never dawned on her that she might be gay for her friend. Are they setting this up for a tragic or happy ending?

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just here to send some appreciation to the jiwan x sol storyline. i want them to work out. jiwan cheering for sol after her presentation was the absolute cutest thing id seen all week!

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I love Sol and want her to be happy but I can't stand Ji-wan, she strikes me as immature and bratty.

It's kind of the same with Kyu-hyun and petulant Bit-na. I feel like Kyu-hyun deserves better.

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They were both ridiculous this episode. Friends? As if.
Their relationship wasn't even close to friendship but neither knew how to deal with that break up so they both decided it was better to restart the game instead of calling it a tie.
Na-Bi had no reason to be petty to SA, she might be telling truth about everything she said.
Jae-Un was really manipulative offering to assist her work and feeding her those comments about wanting to change himself.
They are really not in this for the romance, it's a simple mind game and they are starting to involve other people in it.

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I'm reminded of the series 'Melo Is My Nature', the heroine starts out by breaking up with a boyfriend he had already repeatedly broken up with over the past SEVEN YEARS. She said once they realized having a fight does not automatically mean breaking up their fights became progressively more toxic. Na-bi and Jae-un could continue this pattern of behavior for a VERY long time if they wanted to.

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I had to laugh as well when Na-bi narrated about their "friendship". People love to deceive themselves!

They were never friends to begin with because of the sexual attraction right off the bat. These kinds of relationships generally end either with them becoming a couple OR, on-off for years before finally breaking it off and never seeing each other again.

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I think NB's response to Seol-A was pretty justified. Seol-A was clearly being catty and NB recognized this. Seol-A was very purposeful in what she said to NB. The moment she saw NB, she had planned to mess with her and cause misunderstandings because she is jealous and can't stand to see other people have what she can't.

This might be wishful thinking on my part, but JE seemed sincere when he talked about wanting to change.

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Why catty? We don't know anything about her or her relationship with JU or what she knows about NB, she might be lying about something but if she isn't, and we can assume she isn't, there is no clue to say otherwise, why get mad at her and say that silly thing about the hair? I don't even get why people think that was a mean comment from NB, it was just childish and vulgar.

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I can agree that we don't know much about her and JE's relationship, but from the way the drama has depicted her so far, from her reactions, tone, to expressions, everything points to her being jealous and trouble. Sure, we can give her the benefit of a doubt, but she was very calculating the moment she saw NB -- from dropping her lighter to her pausing to say that she and JE are "dating" again. She did that on purpose for impact and to see NB's reaction.

I also don't think Seol-A needs to know anymore about NB than what she already assumes -- that JE may very well be sincere towards NB and NB is a threat to her relationship to JE.

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This drama is about people lying to themselves. The facts show one thing and they say and claim doing another which is why I trust nobody in this. Yes, we have some proof that SA is jealous of NB, which is to be expected since JU seems to enjoy making people feel like that, though he won't accept that or much of anything about his true intentions. We don't know anything beyond that, when they both asked about their relationship with JU I felt it was honest from both sides. If indeed JU is dating her, there is nothing wrong about SA telling NB and wanting to know her reaction. The guy had just kept her waiting somewhere while playing with NB, remember SA is the main character in her own story.

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I don't know that I agree about JE making SA jealous of NB on purpose. It seems pretty one-sided to me. Also, since SA has (what seems to be) a long history with JE, wouldn't she be smart enough to not be jealous since she knows his player ways? Unless she has just been deluding herself this whole time and thinks he still has feelings for her?? But it doesn't seem to be that way and SA seems to be smart enough to know that. Shrug.

Sorry, I definitely did not see honesty coming from SA when she said that she and JE are dating again. She said that on purpose to get under NB's skin and cause misunderstandings. We can agree to disagree lol

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It's not about making her jealous of anyone in particular, he doesn't commit, which makes them insecure. A long history with him would not change that, NB also knew all about his ways and always felt jealous. This seems to be his style, he's attracted to women who will accept his rules without having the same intentions of not wanting an exclusive romantic relationship. The reason NB holds so much interest is only because she plays a nice game while pretending to be like him while deceiving herself thinking she is different.

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Shots fiiiiired, Na-bi! Pew, pew!

Not much to add except that Kyu-hyun is smoking hot! Dang, I didn't see it at first due to the horrible beanie he always wore, but.... the steel exterior and gooey lovey-dovey insides plus beefcake arms? HELLOOOOO!

Also, the hair thing - so clever, so true, well said @missvictrix.

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Seol-A was being catty, so I am glad Na Bi also decided to do the same.

Lmao beefcake arms. I also enjoyed the bicep eye candy.

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His country-accent is cute too! ^^
I agree, he's a total package. The fact that he forgot to shave his head for 3 days straight cuz he was so messed up about the thing with Bit-Na <3 T_T

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Another hair situation! Oooooh! Didn't even think of this.

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The question is whether this provokes Na-bi's possessive instincts or drive a wedge (that Jae-un once again won't know why its happenning). Just 5 episodes to go and that creepy cook boy-friend-in-waiting storyline has to go somewhere soon.

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nabi clearly knew what she was getting into from the start but instead of like accepting where they're at, she keeps trying to push for more inside her head about where they really are and it just gets her hopes up and so she acts cold towards him. so YA in a way like many of you said, she's really the one who draws the lines in their relationship. but she really sucks at it too because of how much she gets in her head about them :/// also, i'm so curious as to what goes on in jaeon's head because its always been just her that's narrating the story so far.

and with potato boy,,, like she should just stop. like she's gonna drag him into her inner monologue mess and he's just gonna get HURT like potato boy is a good guy :') if you're hung up on jaeon don't even try.... you know he's literally got a chokehold on your feelings UGH

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&&& i think the reason why jaeon was so detached and only wanted flings is bc of his relationship dynamic with SA. like she's been leading him on since they were dating and she's kind of in this position where she doesn't mind that he's messing around all the while because she's confident that when the time comes, he'll still be head over heels for her in the end. from the time she found out about nabi in that scene where jaeon was looking at nabi from the convenience store to when jaeon forgets about their plans because he was with nabi like 100% signifies nabi as a threat to getting with jaeon in the end :/// also IDK what to feel about him suddenly changing his number and like claiming he wants to change bc i kind of see it but also with nabi narrating i'm sure that's just going to get twisted into her thinking he's not serious especially bc of the last scene and then im gonna get swayed aND IDK

also it was kind of out of line for both SA and nabi at the last scene, but more on nabi because them hanging out again bc of her project was them re-establishing THEIR FRIENDSHIP so yes she likes him a lot, but it's like- you guys aren't together, although you have history its not exactly your place to be jealous even if you are LOL yknow? but i love the petty clap back IM HERE FOR IT

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Actually.. if I give JaeEon the benefit of doubt, I’m thinking that JaeEon is actually the more vulnerable one in this.
How he goes around flirting and hanging out w girls, giving this false impression that he’s a jerk who hurts others and himself doesn’t care much.
But maybe he’s just setting up defences for himself to not get hurt that’s why he doesn’t want to commit. Because in this episode we see Jae Eon repeatedly getting hurt by others (3times, Nabi, his classmate, the guy), and we know the hurt gets to him.

And that’s why he keeps drawing the line, not for others actually, but for himself. So he doesn’t start putting himself in a position where he can get hurt(aka falling for someone).
Then he does all those little actions like putting his hair down, deliberately walking past Nabi and ignoring her after they ended things. Ok, maybe some might think he’s just being a jerk and toying w her, but giving the benefit of doubt to him, maybe it’s a sign of him seeking attention which may stamp from some insecurity(?)
And if JaeEon’s change is genuine here, he’s giving up the attention of other girls just to get the attention of Nabi.
And who sounds like is the one likely to get clingy? Sounds like JaeEon to me.

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I genuinely think Seol-Ah was the OG player in his life, and gave him commitment-issues which turned him into what he is today. And she's back to toy with him again.
Seol-Ah, as we have seen... is a complete snake unlike her webtoon version (where she was an oblivious sweetie!) and totally capable of being a repeat heart-breaker. What if she's the jerk in the drama, and he's a damaged soul because of her? I think the drama is going in this direction based on the evidence you provided :')

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I wish that Na-bi will not succumb to Jae-eon’s charms again. I wonder why she decide to use metal as her medium. It is Jae-eon’s forte. It is bringing them closer again. Poor Na-bi. She seems to be headed for heartbreak. I hope not, I really like her, I wish she has a lot of spunk, like Bit-na.
The secondary characters are interesting. I can’t wait for further character developments .

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I absolute dislike Na-bi's character. As a female lead, she doesn't show any kind of a 3D personality. She doesn't put effort in her work, friendships or even the relationship she's obsessed with. I hate how submissive she is around Jae-un. And it doesn't make any sense for all those people to be head over hells for her when she literally doesn't have anything to offer as a personality. I don't like Jae-un either, but at least he has different sides to his character. It would really suck for Na-bi to end up with him. I'm rooting for the noodle shop guy so much, not only because he's kind and caring and not shady like someone (The butterfly freak) But also see how Na-bi is acting like herself around him? With Jae-un she doesn't have a saying, she actually doesn't even say much around him and is always tense. But she's way more natural with the other guy. Maybe it's because she's not attracted to him, but there was that cousin scene in EP5 that made me wonder if she really has 0 attraction towards him.

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