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Nevertheless: Episode 10 Open Thread (Final)

In our final episode, our heroine must come face-to-face with failure in both art and love. She’s hit rock bottom, but will she be able to rise from the ashes, much like her final project? Is there still room for her to be happy? Does she even want to be happy?

 
EPISODE 10 WEECAP

We made it to the conclusion, folks, and Nevertheless deserves a round of applause for doing everything I was hoping it wouldn’t, and giving us a conclusion that was meant to be satisfying, but proves anything but. The finale ties up loose ends, rides its metaphors into the stratosphere, and the story ends without ever really landing its message. I guess there was none.

We pick up where we left off last week, with Na-bi and Jae-un’s charged conversation in the rain, which ends in heartbreak for both parties. Well, we knew Na-bi was heartbroken over Jae-un, and has been for some time, but it’s news to us that Jae-un not only has a heart, but that it’s equally broken over finally losing Na-bi. The two mourn, sulk, and drag themselves through life for the first quarter of the episode.

As if we didn’t know that Na-bi was falling apart, we have her trusty final project to act as a metaphor to hammer in the point. A ceiling fan randomly falls in the studio, crushing her torso sculpture into literal shards — in other words, the drama is trying to tell us that Na-bi is broken, and her relationship is shattered, as is her hope in herself.

Na-bi’s piece has always been a metaphor for her relationship with Jae-un. Whether she was struggling to understand it (at the start of the drama), unsure of whether it was falling apart or being built (middle of the drama), or whether it smashed to the ground into bits (our climax) — the drama couldn’t have been more annoyingly clear about this connection. So, it’s only right that Jae-un turns up to help her put the pieces back together, literally and figuratively.

Instead of pouting, they’re now smiling, working together, and rebuilding the thing. They’ve effectively taken a mess and made it into a masterpiece. I will give the show credit here — the final piece is gorgeous in its industrial-yet-romantic state of half decay and half freedom. Where it gets annoying, though, is that we’re meant to overlay that onto the Na-bi/Jae-un romance. And boy, do we ever.

Jae-un tells Na-bi that she looks the happiest and the prettiest when she’s working, and his words hit her. Even after he’s “disappeared” off campus, Na-bi is strangely transformed by his statement, as if she never knew she loved art before. Her love for it is invigorated, and her resolve is also strengthened. But Jae-un is out of the picture, so things are still not 100% right in Na-bi’s world.

While she’s once again waffling in her misery, she finally looks at the notebook that went from Jae-un’s possession to hers only to find a sketch he drew of her. It depicts the first moment he saw her (the first awful gallery scene in Episode 1). This is meant to make us not only believe Jae-un’s words, but also become convinced of his true-hearted intentions towards her. So effectively, the entire drama has just been erased. All we did was take a meaningless, nihilistic trip through Na-bi’s uncertainty.

The class made it through their semester and they’ve all gathered at the final exhibition, wowed by the work of Sol, Na-bi, and others. Do-hyuk shows up to praise Na-bi’s talent. Na-bi is even praised by the professor (whose opinion is the only barometer of artistic success in this story). But something still isn’t sitting right with Na-bi.

Na-bi now has everything she wanted — except the thing she didn’t want, which is actually what she really wanted if she was honest with herself. And so, she’s finally put out of her misery when she returns to the gallery in the evening and finds Jae-un staring at the masterpiece they made together (*cue more heavy-handed metaphors*).

This concluding scene between the two is one of the worst I’ve ever sat through. Jae-un is tearing up because Na-bi has accepted him and asked if he wants to date. When he counters that she hates him, she agrees. Na-bi admits that hates him and she’ll regret this decision, but she still wants him by her side. “I know it will cause me pain again, nevertheless…” is our closing line. They kiss and look happy while I reach for something to throw at the screen.

Really, Show? So then what was the point of the last ten hours? I’m tempted to write a magnum opus about the epic fail this story has been, but for the sake of sanity, will scale it back into a few thoughts.

This drama did exactly what it shouldn’t have, taking the easy route of a playboy whose heart was transformed(ish). We spent the whole drama doubting Jae-un alongside Na-bi, and hearing nothing from his character, until the two final episodes. Here, some narration is casually thrown in to show us his feelings are, indeed, genuine. Hell, he even lets his butterflies free into the night. The butterfly metaphors that drench this story are gag-worthy at this point. We get it. He set them free like he set Na-bi free, and what do you know, she came back to him for more. So that’s one reading of the plot: what not to do.

My second reading is this: what if this story is really just an anti-feminist dissertation in fictional form? After all, it essentially tells us women don’t want to be happy, and will willfully choose the exciting playboy over the stable breadwinner.

Na-bi turns down Do-hyuk once and for all saying she’s choosing Jae-un despite knowing he’s “not someone that will make me happy.” Unpopular though it might be, I can’t shake the feeling that this story can also be read as a roast of the female psyche, or if that’s too strong for you, perhaps just Na-bi’s psyche.

The best option for the drama, of course, was to follow the original webtoon’s story, which we’re now free to talk about without fear of spoilers. In the webtoon, the reader gets actual storytelling satisfaction: we learn that Jae-un was indeed playing Na-bi the whole time to get back at his ex, and as disturbing as that would have been for a conclusion, how much better would all the parts have fit together? Na-bi would learn that her instincts were correct, and we the audience get the vindication we’re sorely missing in the drama version of this story. I much prefer this to the white-washed nothingness we land on.

These three opinions/options aside, I actually believe the drama thinks it nailed its point better than it did. I think it wants us to take this away: follow your heart no matter the consequences. However, it’s nearly impossible to take this as the moral of the story, because the story has done everything to undermine its own message.

And then there’s our epilogue. It’s hard to make an ending like this one worse, but nevertheless, our drama does just that with its epilogue. We watch Na-bi and Jae-un meet up on the street. Jae-un turns down some girls that have gathered around him [like butterflies], and the two walk off, deciding where they should go out to eat. Na-bi pauses when she sees Do-hyuk in a neighboring building, but the two walk on, talking random nonsense. Jae-un says they should raise a cat. But Na-bi says he’s not allowed any more pets — not even butterflies. They chuckle. I gag.

Really, Show? While some might be able to pull a more meaningful message out of this mess of a conclusion, I am unable to do so.

Na-bi’s momentary regret seeing Do-hyuk, to me, proves my point that this drama basically elevates unhealthy relationships and romanticizes self-destruction — instead of what they were probably going for, which is Na-bi owning her decision. Either way, they’ve completely alienated me from any lingering emotional connection to this story, and no amount of “happy” endings will be able to change that.

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Is it just me or did these 10 weeks feel like 10 months

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"I will give the show credit here — the final piece is gorgeous in its industrial-yet-romantic state of half decay and half freedom."

I think the one single, fleeting moment of joy I felt was at the reveal of the final piece of art. It was just a raw, emotional reaction to a piece of art completely divorced from the drama itself, but it was there and I appreciated it.

And then for the whole rest of the episode I wanted to gag, for all the reasons you outlined. Thank you so much for sticking with this mess until the end with all of us, missvictrix! When someone like you who's been writing about the show every week in such a detailed way can't even pull something meaningful out of the end product, I'm not sure anybody can. The "epilogue" was just completely nonsensical to me as well. I had absolutely no clue what they were going for there.

Just... gag.

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I'm no art connoisseur, but I thought her (their?) sculpture was ugly. Na-bi's even incorporating butterfly wings in her art. The ceiling fan did her a favor.

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Hahaha.

You have to thank Jae-Eon for that. He masterminded the whole thing, so he can help her fix it.

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I kept waiting for it to be revealed that he came in at night and loosened the bolts on that fan!

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I think we were meant to see her soaring on angel's wings, damaged but free, but she was once again objectified. Objectified as a f***able butterfly at the beginning and once again objectified as a hollow but "repaired" broken woman at the end. Still on display. The sculptures carried the burden of meaning and left us to assume the repair of the characters. Sadly a miss.

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Aren't we all repaired broken people? Does life and relationships not break us, we repair ourselves- sometimes with parents, sometimes with partners. I think human beings and human relationships should not be categorised so simplistically. The job of stories is not to depict a message of what is health or not but to show the messiness of the human condition and in that Nevertheless does leave me satisfied. May be Na-bi will not eventually be happy with Jae-on and she also admits that she might regret it (given all we have seen of her, Jae-on will also most probably regret this ending when she wants him to guess her feelings all his life.) She wanted to nevertheless take a chance on dating him and I do not why any one should choose stability over joy or stability of a breadwinner over pure mental or physical attraction. There is no inherent moral worth in the former over the latter.

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@beaniebynight yes, we are all broken and we can repeatedly find ourselves in dysfunctional relationships, and I guess if there is a takeaway, that may be it. Problem is to determine if this is indeed the takeaway. I can't endorse someone who keeps on choosing to hurt themselves, especially if they are a broken bird/butterfly. I'm only aiding and abetting them if I do that.

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Lol.. me too.. i honestly didn't know this show was about true fate..

i thought it was about him manipulating every situation

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Oh, and one more thing: Can I just say how hilarious it was when Jae-eon said "I've never seen you more happy than when you're working on your art"? Because I couldn't remember a single time Na-bi looked happy while working on her art. And if we're going with the obvious metaphor of "her art" being her relationship with Jae-eon, she spent much more of her time with him looking miserable, or like she smelled something bad, than looking happy.

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gag is definitely the word, and that's so true! she never smiled genuinely unless she was around Do-hyuk, which opens a whole other can of worms in the illogic of this drama

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don't think she was happy with anyone, including Do hyuk..

she faked it, and it was easier to fake with him (like it is with college friends).. they are immaterial..

probably aunt is the only one she cares about

BUT highly likely she inherits mom's genes..
she likes the thrill of a relationship .. with an exclusive "open r/shp" clause applicable only for her and not her partner

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That's true lol. Na-bi never looked happy, working on her art and otherwise.

And I said this on the wall, but I will say it here too: I really hate that they tied Na-bi's art to her relationship with Jae-eon so she didn't even have an accomplishment of her own.

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Even Na-bi didn't know what he was talking about. It took someone (Sol?) commenting that perhaps she only realized in retrospect that she had been happy that 'triggered' her, both artistically an romantically.

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LOL That thought crossed my mind too. The only time she looked happy was with potato boy.

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Like a life sentence.

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Thank you, @missvictrix. I am guessing that you are very glad to be putting this show behind you.

I came into this drama without set expectations- so I am not as disappointed as you and frankly, if I had read the description of the originating webtoon, I wouldn’t have come anywhere near it.

In thecend, I found Nevertheless to be an engrossing watch. They did a fair job of capturing the challenges and difficulties in trying to understand one another beyond the freighted weight of bias.

Also, love the OST!

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The OST was so good. The KIMMUSEUM and Sam Kim songs are my fav.

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Agreed on the strength of the OST, it gave the series a real boost through the tough times for me. I also liked how they ran the intro with a different song for some episodes. Not sure I can ever listen to the Sam Kim song fully without tearing up a bit.

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Yes, I liked that they switched the songs for the intro too. The KIMMUSEUM song gives me the ultimate feels when that instrumental starts playing in the beginning. Also loved that they incorporated the drama's title (both in English and Korean) into the lyrics. So good. Would love it if the singer posted a video of him singing it live!

I read an interview with Sam Kim recently that asked him about how he came up with the song. I totally thought he wrote the song specifically for the drama, which I think usually the case, but it turns out he wrote the song about 3 years ago at a song camp. Also, they asked him who he thought Nabi should end up with and his answer was hilarious -- basically he said neither because Jae Eon is a walking red flag and potato boy is nice, but too nice and he needs to calm down a bit. Hahahha. Also that Nabi needs to go to the mountains or something to mediate and calm down herself too lol

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Thank you for the recap!

Hmmm... it's interesting. I do agree the show felt like it was dragging towards the latter half, and there are many flaws that occurred along the way, but for some reason, I think how simultaneously relatable AND frustrating it was kept me watching it. I actually think either the webtoon ending (thank you for sharing that here) or the ending we had here would have been fine - I wish we could have had more of an evolution of Jae Eon's character, because I do think in some ways, we saw Nabi in so many different emotions and situations, and more from both of them could have made things more understanding. I thought the ending was fine because I stopped expecting for us to see much more change (I did brace myself for the possibility that Nabi and Jae Eon would not end up together, though). Also, I think the ending is something that could also very much happen in real life.

Kudos to both the main actors - I honestly think if it wasn't for them, I probably would not have stayed watching this drama, but the way they emoted, acted, expressed, had so much chemistry in each scene, these were the prime reasons for me to keep watching this show. (and also, as I mentioned, how relatable so much of it was) Overall this show will have a lasting impact on me for some time and I am grateful for it! I wish we had more scenes in the college because I also enjoyed those moments (not all of them) but overall, I really appreciated the directing in this show and the cinematography of it.

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Also... just want to say I definitely don't think being in a harmful relationship/ negative stereotypes associated with women-men relationships should be reinforced. It's more the relatability of of Nabi's situation that I gravitated to (in a painful way... remembering both the happy and the challenging memories) that kept me watching. So to say I 'enjoyed' this show is more that I wanted to keep watching. And the chemistry and the acting. But didn't agree with or think many of the messages (atleast with Nabi and Jae Eon) were healthy.

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I also think the drama lived up to how it was marketed as -- a hyper real drama. I felt as if I really was on this journey with Nabi and felt her frustrations, insecurities, despair, etc. and it was relatable in the sense that it showed how complicated feelings and emotions can be.

I agree that this drama would have faired better if we had been given more insight to Jae Eon's thoughts. The last few episodes were just a little too slow and they gave potato boy too much air time...when they should have used it to give us more background or insight into Jae Eon. It would have made the ending more believable and satisfying.

I also braced myself for the possibility of Nabi and Jae Eon not ending up together. In fact, I was about 75% sure until I saw the accidental spoiler photo from the soundtrack product page.

The actors were also what kept me watching. I think they really did great and a lot of chemistry.

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There we have it, everyone. We saw the truck of doom finally hit the victim, but in this case, she actually wants to get hit. And we're not shown the aftermath. That's going to be down the road, assuming Jae-eon really didn't change.

And the dialogue doesn't make sense. "I hate you". "Jae eon will never make me happy." "This isn't love." "Of course I will regret this. But I still want to do it." "Let's go out." "Stay by my side." THINK WITH YOUR HEAD, NABI GIRL!!!

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LOL.

Someone who oscillates between "I hate you" and "Stay by my side" in the space of one breath is definitely in a good place to start a relationship with cutesy romantic music playing in the background as she kisses the person who she says will never make her happy.

Great character arc there, drama. She really showed a lot of growth.

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That’s life! Woman are like! They always pick the bad boys after saying they won’t!
I’ve seen this movie in real life!

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And TB just proved missvictrix' final point...

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Women are not like that, people in general are.

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This dialogue really was confusing. I wonder if they took it straight from the webtoon and tried to use it for a different context and that is why? SHRUG.

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In episode 9, they mock each other to admit what they both want with each other, but it turned out differently. In this scene, they're teasing each other using the same words from that outburst. More like an inside joke between them.

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After rewatching that scene, I did feel as if Nabi was being sarcastic/teasing about the hating you thing.

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she's on her mother's trajectory

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Meh, this was disappointing.

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So I finished Nevertheless and ended up overall dissatisfied. I’ve boiled it down to three things in particular that irked me.

1. Endgame. I’m timidly setting foot on the battlefield here! However, I found the last 10 minutes of the drama jarring. Nabi continues to hold the position that this relationship will cause her pain again and won’t last – and yet she and Jae-eon are skipping off into the sunset hand-in-hand talking about pasta. What are we to make of that??? If Nabi genuinely believes this is a Uncertain Thing, then surely it makes more sense to end the drama back in the realm of the relationship in the first three episodes (with the addition that now Nabi is choosing to accept the fact that it will not go deeper). But to consider it a temporary, painful thing and then still go off as if you’re with Do-hyeok: that has departed from the realm of “could-make-sense” to me.

2. Character building. In the end, I remain utterly mystified as to why Nabi was the woman to change Jae-eon’s mind. We saw that he had been significantly moved by her in some way – but what way? For me, Nabi had nothing compelling about her that might cause Jae-eon to choose to leave behind his former ways and commit to her. Nabi didn’t exhibit spectacular talent in her chosen field that might have drawn him in. She didn’t exhibit unswerving loyalty (like Sol), nor a flawed-but firecracker-energy (like Bit-na), nor deep niceness when she was receiving blows over and over. So what made him so drawn to her??? For me, Nabi was *boring*, a mouse-like character who just scuttled round the edges of her friends’ lives. What in that would cause the eternal playboy to reform?

3. Acting. This is not just about episode 10 but something I’ve struggled with right the way through. I have no issues with Song Kang and Han So-hee as actors – they’ve already proven their acting chops. However, the way the director was asking them to act just made no sense to me. If I understand correctly, Jae-eon is a character with a magnetism that makes him irresistible – we needed to see that. He needed to enter our screens and crackle. We needed to feel, with Nabi, that we couldn’t back away but were compelled to draw closer. Alas, after the first couple of episodes, Jae-eon became meek and too quick to pull away when Nabi flinched. He was domesticated far too quickly. Secondly, Nabi’s reactions to Jae-eon never made sense to me. She always flinched when he entered her personal space – which suggested she frightened of him (rather than frightened by his sexual magnetism, which is what I think the director was aiming for). For me, the reaction they were aiming for was that every time he got too close, she was fighting her own desire to jump him. A stoic middle-distance gaze, possibly with twitch, might have communicated that more effectively than flinching away. For me, her flinch communicated a problem with the person, rather than the attraction, which kind of...

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...undermined the premise of the whole thing and added to my bewilderment as to what Jae-eon saw in her.

Many thanks, @missvictrix, for the recaps (and your final rant, which is glorious!) and for all the Beanies’ comments – a drama is always richer when we benefit from multiple perspectives!

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Gosh, yes, the flinching has bothered me too since E1

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There's a fine line between looking nervous because you like someone (and are interested in them but shy about it) vs. looking nervous because someone makes you actively uncomfortable/afraid. The drama definitely veered towards the latter for some inexplicable reason.

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You nail the flinching. It did not convey desire in any way shape of form. It puzzled me all the way through.

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I would add to your point 3 that Na Bi of the drama also didn't match the one in the webtoon and that ultimately made Na Bi's character boring. In the webtoon, she seemed to be more aloof, distant but still nice, in the drama she is ... mousy.

I can't figure out whether it was director's or Han So Hee's choice.

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yeah, your point 2 is something I was struggling to understand also. Why change for Na-bi? His player behavior is so practiced and cultivated at the beginning, it’s a lifestyle. His change came about far too quickly and without a clear reason.

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I think it initially goes back to his infatuation with butterflies (Nabi) and also perhaps he saw something relatable in her when he first saw her at the art museum -- where he just about fell in love with her at first sight. That is the only thing I can think of...

When people fall in love at first sight, there's not really a reason...so...and I will say that I've seen some other dramas that have been even more nonsensical in why two people like each other lol

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I don’t think he did change in the end as the final scene with the 2 girls asking for his number showed- he seems to hesitate then said ive got plans- rather than own- ive got a girlfriend. I could see where both childhood traumas and upbringing impacted their later choices and patterns.

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he didnt change. in the epilogue he doesnt say he has a girlfriend to the girls asking his number lol

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"continues to hold the position that this relationship will cause her pain again and won’t last – and yet she and Jae-eon are skipping off into the sunset hand-in-hand talking about pasta. What are we to make of that???"

Even if you both love each other intensely or not, there will come a time that one will cause the other so much pain that can break a relationship or not. What are we to make of that scenario?, Just like what Jae-eon and Na-bi did, You skip off into the sunset hand in hand talking about pasta and enjoying what life has to offer. Nothing in life is certain. :)

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1 have they really dated have they really tried to see if its really uncertain?.. She knows its uncertain but she wants to see where it goes, it's not as if she is marrying him, if one year from now they break up so be it at least she will have no what if's à broke heart yes, anger that she knew it would end in tears yes but not regret for not dating someone she clearly had feelings for and was attracted to...

3 I agree

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the acting just didn't make sense with the writing. the writing wanted us to feel an emotion but the acting didn't translate that after the first couple of episodes. even that montage of them ion nabi's homes for days gave us that feeling of being so into each other bodies and everything. it was more like a serious relationship, boyfriend and girlfriend. idk if they have an acting director or if its the pd's fault but it was the main reason I couldnt enjoy this drama - it was like reading a book with the writing and watching a different story with the acting. the acting made it look like it was a regular romance with some troubles in the way. the writing wanted it to be a hot and complicated relationship about two damaged characters that couldn't resist the warning signs.

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*For me, Nabi was *boring*, a mouse-like character who just scuttled round the edges of her friends’ lives. What in that would cause the eternal playboy to reform?* I couldn't agree more.

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good thing is potato boy knew it was high time to cut his losses..

he left her :D

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He comes and goes as he pleases. Nice one. :D

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I guess the reason why Jaeon was drawn to Nabi is becuz she flat out rejected him while it seemed they were head over heels in that FWB thingy. And then right after that she was scouted by another guy. So its kinda a man thing to get back what he thought belonged to him. Smth psychological like that. Anyway I think this drama is much more believable than most of the romantic Kdrama genre where the ML out of now where falls in love deeply n willing to risk his life for FL.

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I think the main reason why everyone (incl. me) is so mad at the ending is because the show could have easily done better- the directing and main leads were gorgeous, the writing in the beginning was actually good and the core material was something worth holding into. The ending is so cliched that had it less production value, we would have dismissed the show as an "okay" drama. Nevertheless could have easily been better but for whatever reasons it decided not to.

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I liked the ending. The only feasible alternatives would have either been 'Pretty Noona' or 'Misty' where (either) they meet again after an eight year separation, or where one of the two chooses to destroy himself (one way or the other) for love. boring potato boy endgame would have been appalling.

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I could have done without the random epilogue. They should have just ended it at the gallery. Or just taken out the random conversation at the end of the epilogue lol.

I am glad they did not go the potato boy route because I would have been super pissed. Drama Nabi just did not have those types of feelings for him and he knew it, but he still would not give up. That doesn't quite rub me the right way.

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I'm so glad too that they don't go there because rebound relationship is worst. Both of you will be miserable the entire relationship.

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Isn't Jae-un Na-bi's rebound relationship though? She literally met him at the bar while moping over her horrid ex.

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@emilytkn I have to agree with you on that but in Na-bi's eyes, that's not the case. The potato guy falls into that category.

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Like you, I was disappointed about Na-bi's choices but I also weirdly understand. In the end, even if the potato guy was the better choice, she can't change her feelings/chemistry with the player. Plus, it would have been unfair towards the potato guy if she did end up with him? I would have preferred if she just stayed single though because either choice was bad. The Player will not change and the potato guy, sorry, but I thought he was so clingy. I kinda felt emotional blackmail there, like the 'I'm better for you/I like you more' vibe. However, Na-bi should have thought - 'What makes me happy? What do I want to do? Is either of these guys good for me? 60% of the time, am I happy with this person?' And she would have stayed single then. No use torturing yourself with someone that makes you insecure/regret your choices (player) or with someone you are not attracted to at all (potato guy). What's the point? At first, I liked the mystery of figuring out the player's feelings and the way it was shot, but at some point, it just went downhill for me and I totally agree with your opinion, what a disappointing ending. I think I would like a mature drama like this again, without this type of ending/love triangle storyline.

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We got an 'Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind' finale. If you don't recall that film, it was a fable of a man recovering memories of his forgotten love but realizing it had been a horrible toxic relationship. But in the end they both to choose to repeat it anyway because the relationship had been genuine.

I was quite happy with the finale. Na-bi finally admitted to herself that, yes, its perfectly okay for a girl to enjoy _ing a hot guy, after all. She's only 21(?). Were any of the paired-up college characters really good long term mates? For his part, Jae-un's original personality was entirely deconstructed. His 'campus playboy' facade was shown to be 'campus creepo' by his peers. His insistence on personal detachment came back to bit him hard when he wasn't able to form attachments when he wanted to. Nab-bi met Jae-un in the middle. He relinquished his 'playboy' affectations while she embraced the fun of having a pretty bed partner to play with, long term consequences be damned.

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I like your interpretation of this. I'm wondering what you think about the epilogue then? When they are shown to be in a cutesy relationship holding hands and talking about where to eat and whether to get a pet. It seemed like the drama pushed it further than meeting in the middle. I would have preferred it if they ended in a greater state of uncertainty.

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The conversation in the epilogue definitely felt out of place and I could have done without that. It was so random

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I think it was all for the joke about Jae-un dreaming about new pets - cats! They must have liked the joke.

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The utility of the epilogue was to show they were no longer an anxious bundle of nerves when around each other. No more longing stares and sidelong glances. just acting normal. What they were doing and saying was beside the point.

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Yes, and the pet joke actually showed Na-bi being more assertive, when she told him' no more pets for you'.

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This. I was trying to see if anyone else liked the ending except me, lol. I think the drama diverted away from the webtoon and kind of established a new ending.
I think, people when they connect, really, even if it is toxic, the true emotions bring them back to each other. Like the way Nabi cried at the end of episode 9, after truly breaking up with PJE, that showed how she couldn't let go of him.
It would have been wrong of her to end up with the friend character cause she doesn't reciprocate his feelings. With PJE it's different.. All these times she did want to go out with him, except he was the one evading her. While it took him to long time to accept her, and I wish we heard more monologues from him or his version of the story, I liked the drama for the realistic portrayal of relationships. It is way better than the meet cute, non realistic portrayal of love in KDramas (although I love those too).
The heartbreaks, the pretenses, the shallowness, the cheating, etc. etc. all those do happen in real life. Also , I would say, the art production , the set and even the chemistry between the friends made this a good watch overall.
I think I made my own interpretation of the story and everyone can make so based on their own life dramas lol.

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It ought to have been obvious since Episode 6 when we started getting Jae-eon's internal monologues that the drama would change the endgame because we were never privy to his thoughts in the webtoon. Obviously, the drama would redeem the playboy by falling for the girl (at first sight) and changing his playboy ways. They even foreshadowed the ending with the female Jae-eon, Bit-na who changed for love.

After Na-bi's aunt and professor told her, "Dating isn't about picking the nicest person. It's about meeting someone special to you." "Do what you want to do. Like who you want to like." she was never going to end up with Do-hyuk, which was for his sake. Did Jae-eon know the naked sculpture was a sculpture of Na-bi and the artist was her ex-boyfriend? Did Potato Boy recognize it when he went to the art exhibit?

It really felt like their friends didn't know Sol and Ji-wan were dating or else Se-hun would've asked them, "Which one liked the other first?" like Kyu-hyun and Bit-na, and he was still simping over Sol at the art exhibit.

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Honestly, up until the end of episode 9, I was (kind of) confident that Nabi and Jae Eon would be end game, but when Nabi told him to get lost and not appear in front of her again, along with Jae Eon's inner monologue saying he lost her completely...I was then convinced that we were in for heartbreak and a single Nabi. All the metaphors and love advice from the characters in this drama really confused me since there was a lot of contradicting advice lol.

It seems that Jae Eon did realized that the sculpture was of her since her ex called out her name. He probably went to look at the sculpture after she left and realized. Also, random, but there is a deleted scene that was shared on the JTBC YouTube channel (country blocked for outside of Korea for some reason...) that shows Jae Eon looking at Nabi as she leaves the gallery, and at the same time when Do Hyeok sees her. Seems like they cut that scene out of the dram for whatever reason.

Yeah, at first I thought Sol and Ji Wan went public, but I'm not sure. It seemed like Bitna knew though? Maybe like everyone said, Se-Hun is just clueless about everything lol

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I was also reminded of the film Eternal Sunshine. I think the main reason this finale made many people mad is because they wanted or expected a happy or a more closed ending. Some thought this would mean they would go separate ways, some that she might come to like Potato Boy. This ending felt expected. It wasn't a cheerful rosy romcom ending, NB and JU feel a powerful attraction and played a power game, they both lost some things and gained others. They feel their story together hasn't ended yet, it was a natural choice.

I'm not saying it was a good drama because honestly this thing should have been told in 6 episodes, and it pretty much was, the second half was draggy, had a ton of fillers and only made people confused about where the drama was going but it's kind of surprising how much people still don't want messy characters to exist in dramaland, for them Na-Bi wasn't allowed to be a player in the game, she was only a victim of this playboy, and she had no right to choose someone she felt was exciting over someone she felt no romantic feelings.

I did not imagine that Na-Bi being so unreliable as a narrator would make people so confused. People did not get sarcasm when she said she hated him? They also don't understand when she says JU will never make her happy what that word means for her do they? She still associates happy with a conventional relationship, something she feels is boring, a person who will be that nice boyfriend she doesn't want at this moment. Let the girl get what she wants! She took 10 eps and a thousand monologues to even get there.

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When I watched the first time, I did not pick up on her sarcasm...I think I was just too focused on them reuniting and not what they were saying lol. But when I did a rewatch of the last episode, I definitely felt as if she was being sarcastic/teasing when she said she hated him.

The last few episodes definitely were too slow and they should have moved it along more and given JE more scenes to share his thoughts with the audience. This would have made the ending more satisfying and believable.

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You're not alone, I guess people expected her to say she honestly hated him by the end so when she said it, even though meaning a very different thing, they took it literally. How many times do we say we hate something or someone when the actual meaning is we dislike something about it but completely love it? I'm not even saying she loves him but the drama took 10 eps showing her being happy only when she was at peace with the relationship with him, that's how much she cares about this thing, whatever it is for her.

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Right. It was more like a "I hate you for making me like you...that I can't get over you...that you appeared in front of me again, making me unable to deny how I feel about you." I hate that I like you, basically.

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Exactly. For ten eps she's been struggling with her feelings and doubting his motivations, with good reason of course, they were both unsure of each other and busy with their games. After all those doubts and waiting for HIS moves, she's finally ready to take the lead and right after saying she "hates" him she tells him to stay by her side.

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Right. She finally realized he was being sincere, which was what she was struggling with this whole time. So, with that, she finally decided to create her own "answer" and take that step to give it a try with him. Love is pain, but she has strong enough feelings for him that she is willing to give it a shot, despite knowing that there will be struggles along the way, just maybe a bit more struggles that your average relationship. Haha. But, they have been through the grunt of it I feel (and I think Nabi feels the same), so she is OK with her decision to give their relationship a try. Her doubts about his feelings for her have been just about put to rest, so she's confident in taking his hand and walking the distance. I said this below already to another user, but after rewatching, I really loved how they showed this literally with her reaching out her hand to him first.

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The moment Na-bi asked Jae-eon why he was there, I know that the next words coming out of her lips is going to be satisfying to hear. Walls will crumble in front of them, tear/s will fall, a teasing smile will show somewhere and a bold move to reach out.

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When she said "I feel like I can live now that I'm looking at you" and grabbed his arm...such a great scene. For once, she was taking the initiative and reaching out to him (literally), when it was usually him who would be initiating the physical contact. SHE chose him.

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AKA she created her own answer instead of finding one. This is a callback to her conversation with Sol and how Sol said "maybe your issue is you're trying to find an answer" implying that she needs to make her own choices/answer.

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At 10 eps, this drama was way too long. Even 6 eps would have been plenty. I stuck with it because I was confident that Na-bi would grow up and dump Jae-un after her thousand internal monologues.

Writing it down like this, I start to wonder: Am I Na-bi and badly written K-dramas are Jae-un? Though I tell myself they can't make me happy, I remain hopeful and stick around till the end anyway.

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Here is the thing, he does make her happy. She never told herself that, did she? She told DH, whom she believes thinks the road to romantic bliss must go through a calm relationship with a guy like him, which has always been her idea as well. Remember when she told us how important it was for DH to have a good concept of her. How she was the one who asked JU for secrecy? She does like him but she is embarrassed by that.

During the first eps I also got the idea this would be about NB learning to find out what she wants in a partner, this did happen, but NB is so unreliable as narrator and says so many things while meaning something else that people forgot to acknowledge any character growth or change in their relationship. Also the need to fit her into a nice woman role is too strong with the public. If the audience for this drama was mostly male and NB was a guy, they would be a lot less harsh on her, guys are taught to have experiences while women are expected to be on a quest for Prince Charming.

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lol this made me chuckle. Your analogy is A++. Yes. We are all Nabi and dramas are Jae-Eon. Hahahha

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And you are right. Nabi was unreliable as a narrator. I think that was deliberate so we could all experience what she was experiencing...I've said this a few times already, but I really felt like I was truly on this journey with her, navigating and trying to figure Jae Eon and his true feelings out. Hence all the frustrations, confusion, insecurities, etc. Was it not a pleasant experience? Yes. But that is part of life and I like that they did not sugar coat things, which made it feel more relatable. This goes back to your point of people not liking messy and imperfect characters. I think we are all just too used to the typical k-drama characters that usually follow a certain formula, which, I think that Jae Eon did follow some of that formula.

You can still be likeable and be imperfect.

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Yes! I'm just glad the recapped is on the same page as me here. I feel victorious. Bwahahah!

That ending was disastrous from. It just didn't make sense, specially coming from that ep9 ending. And then they gave us so many clichéd tricks in the book in that hour. Disgusting.

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The dramabeans recaps and comments kept me sane while watching Nevertheless. At least I know I'm not the only one who's fuming!

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Na-bi reconciles with her (off screen mother) in realizing that being a bit 'man-crazy' means living a genuine life. Harkening back to what the aunt said about the mother, it takes a degree of bravery for the mother to pursue her hot affair even though she knows from experience the outcomes have never been good.Though delivered in highly diluted K-drama form, the story was from the start advocating for living an erotic life.

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I wish that was the case, coz I would have applaud them for it. But no, it wasn't.

I was happy in the beginning that Na-bi went for it, that she took him in. She had sex with him so many times in different parts of her room. That was glorious. But each time she keep questioning herself. She kept doubting about it. And the end of ep9 seemed to indicate that she was done with it. Only to suddenly become pathetic again on ep10

I wish it was about erotic life. But that ending was not erotic at all.

I wish they executed it better. It was so damn bad, it was never about her at the end, but it was about him and his redeeming factor.

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ditto, this show lost all its eroticism after episode 4. If anything, it's a masterclass in how not to be "friends with benefits".

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Thank you missvictrix for patiently riding through this miserable train wreck with us. I had hoped until the last sad minutes of the end that Nabi will choose self-respect over self destruction. I should have heeded the signs - there is no moral to this story. Now I want to shout out to all the girls out there WARNING: DO NOT DO THIS TO YOURSELF.

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What a disappointing ending. They went the traditional route, which I expected, but it didn’t feel right in the context of the greater story.

In the final exhibition scene with Na-bi and Jae-un, Na-bi’s lines made their relationship sound like an addiction: ‘I hate you, you play with people, but I feel better now that I see you, so let’s be together.’ This is like not wanting to keep going through withdrawals so you keep getting high even though it might be hurting you. It doesn’t seem like love to me (which would be ok except that end scene with them holding hands and going to eat seems to want them to be in love).

Also, I can’t (or don’t want to) believe that Jae-un changed so much so quickly. He was such a magnificent player in the beginning. How does one give up all those perfectly practiced manners of behaving?

And what happens now with their work? Is she (or they) going to Paris? Did he just drop out of the program at the end of the semester? Working together was what they did best, and if the show was determined to go this route with them ending up together, I wish we could have seen them building something.

Overall I am a big fan of this show. I love the two main characters, their brokenness, and the realistic way they interact with each other through most of the series. But, because of that reality, I found much of it painful to watch, and I was kind of hoping for a painful ending too. One that would end the ‘slice of life’—like a chapter in time—that both had moved on from later.

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“So effectively, the entire drama has just been erased. All we did was take a meaningless, nihilistic trip through Na-bi’s uncertainty.” —yes, this. Awesome recap this week @missvictrix ! And I think you’re right that the show doesn’t understand how much it screwed up its own message with the ending, and the even worse epilogue.

I will keep pretending this show ended at episode 9.

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Actually, I thought that line was nonsense. Is she saying ALL college affairs are 'nihilistic' because they most often don't end with the boy putting a ring on it?

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You're missing her point. It's not about getting hitched at the end, but rather growing from experience. The show is nihilistic because it started off as a cautionary tale about players.

Then it betrayed itself and went with the done to death ,"reformed player" ending, when the healthy, correct ending should have been "trust your instincts, don't let anyone gaslight you, believe that you are worthy of a man that cherishes you and treats you right".

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I never understood why Jae-un falling at the first sight was romantic because it was the most humiliating and hurtful moment for Nabi. He never said why : did he like to see a sculpture of her naked and in a humilating position? The fact she was the only one wearing white?
So he saw her in a very painful moment and fell in love, decided to seduce her so why the other girls? Why he never told her that he didn't date his ex? This story doesn't make any sense...

I was disapointed that we didn't get Nabi making a sculpture alone and explaining what she was doing.

I don't know but HSH's acting made me feeling unconfortable. Except when she was with Do-Hyuk, she never really watched people directly, couldn't express a clear opinion, she always looked unconfortable even when she was supposing being happy with Jae-un.

I think the choice of the main actors was not good. Song-Kang never made feel he was a player, that he was so attractive that she could choose him over her hapiness. They chose pretty over charisma, bad choice.

For the other couples, it was the same story but with different characters. The TA couple was cute.

The only right thing in this drama was Bit-Na's password !

Thank You for the reviews, @missvictrix !

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Yes, to both your points about HSH and SK. Which links back to our confusion when Jae-eon says she looks happiest when working... Why *did* director/HSH choose to play her that way?

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Falling at first sight is such an unnecessary K-drama trope. It would have been perfectly reasonable for him merely to be a player who got snared in his own net. Its as unnecessary as the childhood connection with potato boy. but its a kdrama, so what can you do.

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When they revealed the fell in love at first sight plot device, I was like wait what? I could have also done without that, but I guess they needed it in order for Nabi to really believe in Jae Eon's feelings for her. I felt like the scene where she realizes fell short with its impact. They should have done it differently so that there was more impact. Not sure how...but yeah.

I hateeeeeeeeeee the childhood connection in kdramas. It's a way for them to cheat and give depth to a relationship. ONCE in a while it works with the drama, but usually it is unnecessary.

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You've nailed it. I think casting is a problem here.

The funny thing is, while we're supposed to believe JAE-un and Na-bi have off the charts chemistry, Han So-hee has better chemistry with Do-Hyuk's actor, rather than Song Kang.

As for Song Kang, he's pretty but if the show was going for a "pick the guy your heart tells you to even though you know he won't make you happy" ending, they need another actor. Someone who's completely charismatic and engrossing.

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100% agree with everything you said. when jaeun started the "I feel in love when I saw you there" thing I was like helll no, my dude lol I have said it in a previous recap, but song kang just doesnt have the charisma for this type of character. he's obviously really handsome but in a flower boy way imo. like eunwoo for example lol I never bought the sexual attraction he should be exuding to everyone, but I could still go with it int he first couples because the rest was compensating it, but as the show went one... boy doesnt have the range, sorry lol for HSH, part of me believe it was more like the driecting directions she was given than her not delivering. but the way she always looked SCARED of him when he was close to her bothered me thoroughout the drama, especially because I expected her to show more desire and attitude at least when they´re alone together, idk.;. everything was too kdrama vanilla at the end, which is what disppointed me the most.

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lmao I don't know why but your "hell no my dude" part of your comment made me LOL

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that moment is nabi at her worst in the whole drama and it's still crazy to me the writers decided that it was THE moment for him to fall in love. I was like please dont go there, drama hahahaha

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Yes! Bit-Na's password was the highlight of the episode (series?) for me. I'm glad they let us see Nam Kyu-Hyun's face for this one.

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Yes! I am glad they did not edit their scenes out or shaft them. Don't think they had a choice though since most of their scenes were either with the main leads or essential to the plot. They were honestly cute, and I was rooting for them.

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Nabi means butterfly - he loves butterflies and Nabi - that's that connection.

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There you have it. It can be as simple as that, honestly.

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Boy do I have a lot of thoughts...first off, the ending. Definitely mixed feelings and although the ending was happy, it didn't feel as satisfying. Maybe perhaps of the uncertainty that still lingers, which Nabi also acknowledges when she and Jae Eon reunite. Am I happy that they were end game? Yes, I will admit that. Am I aware that their relationship was not healthy and has issues? Yes. Do I also wish that the drama showed them communicating and talking about their problems, yes as well. Like I said before, this drama really threw me in a loop several times with all their contradicting metaphors and love advice from various characters in the drama. lol.

The goodbye scene between Nabi and Jae Eon was so heartbreaking. Song Kang and Sohee really did a great job in that scene. Those pained expressions really did me in and I am not going to lie, I teared. Song Kang really surprised me in that scene because I will be the first to admit that he is not the greatest actor, but he has definitely improved quite a bit.

I found it interesting that Sol has been team Jae Eon since the beginning. I liked that she called him and told him about what happened to Nabi's sculpture. Whereas Nabi was Ji Wan's counselor, Sol was Nabi's.

I do have to laugh at how heavy handed they were with the metaphors in the last few scenes...from the professor telling her to do what she wants and like who she wants, to her friends going on about how you shouldn't waste time and it's OK for one person to like the other more in a relationship. Again, it's counselor Sol who says this lol and makes Nabi realize.

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The drama should have really given Jae Eon some more screen time to share more insight on his character and inner thoughts. This would have helped a lot, especially in the last few episodes where they were trying to sell us potato boy. There were just too many potatoes in those last few episodes. In the end, Jae Eon's development fell short for me because of that.

Also, I wish they would have spread out scenes of Nabi and Jae Eon's "relationship" in the beginning to maybe two episodes instead of just one (episode 4) so that the drama felt more balanced. BUT perhaps this was deliberate to show the reality of how quick they jumped into their "relationship" and how once things cooled off and got complicated, things eventually came to an almost standstill (eps 7-9) because they dove head first without thinking. I think in that aspect, they did a good job staying true to what they marketed this drama as -- a hyper real drama. Things get too hot too fast and then cool down...like a honeymoon phase in a marriage/new relationship. Or even the exhilarating "chase" phase of new relationships.

Oh, and I'm glad that they did not shaft the Bitna/Gyuhyun story line. I was afraid that they would because of actor who plays Gyuhyun's controversy. They were actually a cute couple, and I was rooting for them. Glad it seemed like they didn't cut much out and there was no more weird editing where we only saw like a corner of his head while he was talking.

Overall, I don't regret watching the drama. I felt that I really was on this journey with Nabi and her worries, frustrations, insecurities, etc were relatable. That epilogue scene though was SO random lol. Even more random was their conversation. They should have maybe just ended it after the gallery scene. Or maybe did a parallel scene of Nabi walking up to Jae Eon (while he is waiting for her) and asking him if he was with someone. I would have also liked if they had a scene where her friends find out that they're dating.

Anyways, great job to all the actors and can't wait to see them in other dramas!

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There were just too many potatoes in those last few episodes.---LOL

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One last thing! I really loved how Nabi reached out her hand to Jae Eon after she told him she felt better after seeing him. I feel like this is the first time she's done so and I thought it was such a great representation of her choosing him on her own accord. She initiated the physical contact when it was usually him who did. SHE choose him. Just thought that was so powerful and a beautiful scene.

And can I just say that this director really loved her callbacks to previous scenes? There were so many parallels scenes and dialogues. I found it very interesting as it was obviously deliberate since there were many instances where it happened. For instance, the bit about her saying her seeing him at the gallery was "unrealistic"...she said this when she first met him at the bar. And her sarcasm/tone someone mentioned above when she said "I hate you" and "of course I'll regret this." After rewatching, I picked up on this as I wasn't really paying attention to what they were actually saying and was just happy that they reunited (sorry), but she seemed to just say it as a teasing dig at him for what he put her through before. So, fake serious to make him feel bad.

Does anyone know if we are getting a director's cut blu-ray?

OK. I am done. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. :) It's been fun discussing with everyone and reading about everyone's different opinions!

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I feel cheated and disgusted by the ending. I want my 10 hours back.

I was so certain the story would end with Na-bi alone or with Do-Hyuk and was shocked when the show decided to vindicate Jae-un in the very final episode. The narrative just doesn't make sense. They spent hours establishing that Jae-un is a player and then give him a happily ever after??

After watching this episode I was so puzzled so I went to read the webtoon and realised that the drama changed the ending. I wonder how the webtoon writer feels? I would be fuming if someone adapted my work and perverted the message

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Y'know they fucked up bad, when they completely miss the point of a SML and SFL who are reduced to episode-fillers. First, Seol-Ah, the sweet ex-gf of JE. She's supposed to be naive and innocent, and the fact that Nabi went out to actively one-up her in the webtoon (the ponytail comment) was to show how JE and his many 'strings' brought out the worst in Nabi, that she'd go out to actively sabotage and hurt people who had nothing to do with her. Secondly, Do-Hyeok... The epilogue scene of the webtoon shows Nabi being jealous and insecure of the female attention Do-Hyeok gets as a youtube celebrity. It's meant to mirror JE's dialogue on how butterflies, no matter how much they try, continue to fly their pre-destined paths since the very first day. For this scene to play out and show us Nabi hasn't really overcome her trauma, she needs to end up with Do-Hyeok. Another pair of second leads reduced to screen-fillers with zero purpose towards story or character-growth. Meh. What a vanilla adaptation! K-drama teams never have the guts to stick to a webtoon, no matter how short it is. -_- Is this their way of 'subverting expectations?' Luckily, the soundtrack and cinematography was good enough to make me stick to the end. The only reason I'm okay with how it went down, is that I love Song Kang and Han So Hee on the screen together, but I hardly care for their characters. Thank heavens this didn't drag to 16 episodes.

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It’s exhilarating to watch how things fall apart and fall back in like a gloves that fits perfectly well to their hands. The chance they both take even if…is one of the most beautiful thing in this finale.

This exact scene (When Na-bi holds Jae-eon's arm) reminds me of my husband. When I asked him “why are you asking me to marry you?” without hesitation, he told me that “I want the same family as yours”. I was taken aback because I was expecting “I love you” but the honesty & vulnerability made me jump in. It's been 16 years, but it seems like only yesterday. Sometimes, diving headfirst and seeing what happens is the way to go. What's there to fear anyway?.

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Well, for a so-called trainwreck by fellow beanies, I'm surprised many of us, sticking with the show til the end and even bother to write long comments and analysis.
Don't throw stones at me please, because I just did that, too.
Scratching my head, banging my forehead, eyes on the ceiling, but still sticking to very latest second.
I guess that's a true love for kdrama in some sense. I'm in for the goods, the bads and everything between.
Overall, I don't hate the drama. I even can relate in some aspects.
Nabi knows she's in for troubles, asking Jaeun to date her, but decides to follow her heart.
Jaeun, a player that he is, falls for Nabi at first sight and decided to do something serious about it, last minutes.
In real life, I actually know some people like that.
I think, in my humble opinion, the biggest hole is the plot and the telling. So much to dig, to feature and assembly with the material but the writer spent 10 episodes for, a trainwreck 😬
About the ending, I'm glad Nabi stays with Jaeun. It's like a second best alternative for Nabi decides to choose herself.
I would be mad as hell if she's to choose potato boy. Not because he doesn't deserve Nabi, but he wasn't THERE from the first moment. He never means anything but a friend to Nabi. Thank goodness, he finally comes to his senses.

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Wow the recapper seem really neutral and is trying to get the story out without brin biased...

To me this was perfect people keep complaining but this two are still to ate to figure out the don't match and break up... What they were doing this past 3-4 months of knowing each other was push and pull... They have to date to have no regrets and to realise its not meant to be...

Sometimes people break up not because the love/like is not there, but because a relationship is alot more than love/like this two are about to discover this life lesson...

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if it would've ended like this, then the drama should at least prepare us for it from the 6th episode or so. the ending kinda shows that at the end of the day, love wins, no matter how toxic it is - which is unacceptable in so many levels, and I'm very concerned because a lot of people are actually rooting for this ending and find it meaningful. this only shows that many of our viewers might not be really evaluative or when it comes to red flags and unhealthy relationships. really worried with the message that this drama is trying to tell for generations to come. it truly romanticizes toxic relationships... tbh it would've benefitted from at least 2-3 episodes more. Jae-eon's character development deserves more highlight. even until the end, when Jae-eon is approached by women, he still doesn't stand up for Nabi... he calmly says that "he has plans", while Nabi is walking to him from afar - if Nabi weren't there, what would he do? at least situations like this deserve more explanation.

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Each person will interpret things according to their own state of consciousness and their own unique way of viewing the world. We really can’t expect people to see or understand the way we do. 🙂

I see potato guy as creepy and my kdrama friends were asking me why. I have no explanation to that that will make them understand why given they are team potato 🥔 and I am okay with that. ☺️ Dont worry about others. Your interpretation is very much valid as theres. ☺️

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I am not as unhappy about the ending as many others, because in the end the two people who like each other got together. That matters. Why these two like each other is none of my concern or business.

The only ending I would have frowned upon would have been Na-bi/Dohyuk as a couple, there was never any spark between them. Na-bi is somebody who chooses running and hiding when a conflict comes up. She would have just used him to protect her from her insecurities. In that regard Do-hyuk deserves better. I am pleased that he was allowed to bow out gracefully.

For a Na-bi and Jae-un ending things had to change between them and I think this has happened sufficiently. First, Jae-un is finally showing some respect towards Na-bi's feelings. He was always very good at reading emotions, but only used his skill to manipulate in his own interest with no regard towards the feelings of the girls he played with. It is different now. By helping her to recover the artwork, he puts Na-bi's needs first, but does not use it as an opportunity to impose on her physically and leaves as requested by her. That is not the Jae-un from before, he allows her to have control over the relationship.

That is new for Na-bi, too. She has also changed, is much more confident in herself, even her art teacher is giving her praise, and she is ready to come out of her mousehole, not so much afraid anymore to tackle life's challenges (that she could get hurt in future). That is how I read the 'I still hate you' dialogue. It is a warning to Jae-un that she knows his bad sides and will not put up with any shady behaviour from him.

Would I have been happy with an ending where all go separate ways? Yes. I think that outcome would have been the most realistic one. Too much damage has happened.

The symbolism and metaphors in this drama were never subtle. I am truly sick and tired of the butterfly theme, it was a relief to see them finally released. I can accept the artwork metaphors, because art is a way of displaying emotions in a medium other than words. I really liked the final artwork (Sol's, too), the wings are beautiful.

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Looking at the comments, maybe I'm old, old-fashioned, or whatever, but I'm glad we got a happily ever after! So much hate, sad, relationship-destruction going on today, it's kind of expected that people won't stay together after going through difficulties. Especially young folk.. you just go through relationships like riding a bus: get off one, get on another..without really connecting with THE HEART of the other person. That's what happened in the Na-Jae relationship. They connected, and they connected in such a way it threw them both off the rails.. they were both messed up!!! Never in ep. 1-8 had we seen Jae be such a protector, standing up for Nabi, never had we seen him in humble submission to her like on the Ferris wheel, never had we seen his heart break over her as the rain conversation, but Especially when he said he would leave her alone after her piece was completed. This guy really went through some radical changes after he spoke with his mom, and he fought those changes all the way until his love for Nabi finally broke him.. I'm an older American woman, and I was rooting for Nabi and Jae! The things they went through are natural occurrences in any relationship where both parties are handsome and outgoing! If women weren't attracted to my very handsome husband I'd think something was wrong, but it gave him, and Jae, to continually cement their love and devotion to ONE person.. difficulties will come, nevertheless, love will overcome them if given the chance. So glad for this happily ever after

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i really loved this drama, for me, it's really got to be one of the best out there. even it's epilogue, how nabi saw dohyuk and had that moment of uncertainty.

im glad nabi got tgt with jaeeon in the end, because whats the point of living forever with the thoughts of 'what ifs'? i think both of them holding on to their own assumptions and fears is what made this so complicated.

in that moment of hesitation nabi had when she saw dohyuk again... how she still has that lingering feeling of not wanting to disappoint do hyuk was just really about her as a really flawed person till the end even when she enters a rs. but honestly, how many of us really go into a relationship as perfect people? though if we meet the right one, they change us to be btr.

i think the greatest takeaway for me, from this drama, is that thru jaeeon i suddenly see how sometimes society judges people so hard it doesnt give others a chance to change. and its heart breaking for me.

personally, i feel this drama has been pretty unconventional and its definitely not everyone's cup of tea. but im glad i managed to get something out of this.

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to clarify,im not rooting for toxic rs. certainly things would be different if jaeeon stayed toxic to the very end. i just dont think their rs was toxic towards the end :)

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I agree about the assumptions and fears point that you made. Nabi let everyone's assumptions and the rumors get in the way of seeing Jae Eon's sincerity towards after in the later half (the art gallery confession), but he was also sometimes expressing them in the incorrect manner (rain scene). The rumors and assumptions really took a toll on her and blinded her when it mattered the most. Of course, she was completely within reason to doubt his sincerity, but we cannot deny the fact that it made her blind to instances that were undeniably sincere no matter how you look at it, despite him being assumed to be a "player." I don't think he can truly be labeled as a player. More like a Casanova/player wannabe at best.

Unconventional is the perfect word to describe this drama.

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Kudos to missvictrix for a hard earned Bean.

I dropped this show after episode 1. I came back to read the finale recap to confirm my original misgivings. It seems it was worse than I imagined.

For those who wonder about why the series was different from the source material, it happens all the time in Hollywood. Producers think they can "improve" the story with their own beliefs and ideas. Rarely, does it work.

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Too bad for you, you missed one of the best series of 2021.

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Even worse for you, you were dumb enough to watch one of the garbage shows of 2021.

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I thought I was the only one feeling iffy about the ending because everyone else on the internet seem to tag this as a happy ending but I just wanted to laugh. And don’t get me started on Nabi’s monologue which was even more rage inducing. What was the point of all that character development and self awareness if she was going to chuck it out the window.

I’m sorry to Jae eon fans, but they boy showed zero emotional depth so I can’t even excuse his behaviour to that of being reformed. A player is a player. You just can’t change that through fated meetings.

Moreover because of the ending, the message of the show becomes even more alarming. Not that I can’t differentiate between fiction and reality, but seriously trying to sugar coat all of his manipulation and romanticise an unhealthy relationship says a lot. Even If her heart didn’t lie with do hyuk that’s fine, but choosing to date someone like Jae eon is what’s unnerving however good looking he is.

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Yes, I was really hoping she would end up alone and love herself, but that apparently would have made a terrible ending. The drama wasn't my favorite in the first place, but the ending was truly trash.

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Didn't the Netflix series 'Mad For Each Other' end in a similar way? The couple agreeing they're incompatible, damaged and volatile but, nevertheless, they're going to keep seeing each other anyway. viewers were quite happy with that ending for that pair. That's a preferable ending to 'My Dangerous Wife' where the wife, we assume, murdered her husband in the final scene.

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Yes, but the couple from MFEO was quite perfect for each other, they were very likable and brought out the best in each other, the issues they had were the same they would still have in any relationship, so why not stay together? They did seem to really like each other.

The thing with Nevertheless is that leads are not likable and whatever they had wasn't even exactly love. The kdrama audience doesn't know how to understand a woman choosing some guy who may or may not be a nice person. Something that may or may not be love. Some guy that may or may not be reliable. They forget the power play dynamics and the change in the main characters and make it out to be about some girl trapped in a bad romance.

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I don't find them unlikeable, quite the opposite. A nice change to the usual K-drama Cinderellas and evil villains. Actually I like most of the characters in the drama, which is unusual. The one person I liked the least was Ji-wan with her child like naivety and tendency to put her foot right in, but even she was not that bad either.

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Its funny how a charming guy who enjoys the company of women in a K-drama is immediately labeled as 'toxic' while an actual toxic chauvinist male lead is considered to merely be a 'Tsundere' destined to be redeemed by love. The charmer can't be redeemed by love too?

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I would not say JU enjoyed the company of women, I think he did but he mostly enjoyed the conquest and the mind games, until he found NB, who was also willing to play for her own reasons, and that's fine. But I do get what you mean, why call him toxic when NB was free to do anything she wanted? He shouldn't have tried to deceive DH but every tsundere ML does far worse than that and still get a free pass. But while they promise true love and rarely show any interest for other women JU comes with a long list of women and no certainties about his feelings.

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Maybe the problem is that the leads are not oppressed by unjust circumstances or evil schemes, but fully in charge of their own happiness - and mess up at first all by themselves.

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lol right? I've seen so many tsundere male leads who are truly toxic. Verbally abusive, cold personality, manipulatively jealous, not personable, etc. and then suddenly it's "HE IS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD AND HAS CHILDHOOD TRAUMA. HE MET ME AND CHANGED FOR ME AND IS ONLY NICE TO ME. ETC ETC."

Compared to those characters, Jae Eon is a puppy player at best. I wouldn't even call him a player, honestly.

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I agree but if you read the comments that's the main idea. People were annoyed at the leads for not fulfilling expectations and matching stereotypes.

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In other words, they hate themselves? LOL. I get that when people watch k-dramas, they expect otherworldly, fantasy-like characters who hardly exist in the real world, because that is fun and the point of dramas. I don't think it is fair, though, to hate on something that is unconventional. I've honestly seen way worse dramas, characters, relationships, etc.

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Yes, the unconventional questions the moral standards, the rules for society, not all people want to doubt them so easily.

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That's why execution and a good script is so important. In MFEO, you do see the couple growing as individuals, through their therapy sessions, through interacting with each other, and through apologising for hurting each other's feelings.

In Nevertheless, all of Jae-un's supposed "growth" happened off-screen (or in the writer's imagination). The audience is introduced to him as a player, who has a dubious relationship with an ex, and kisses random girls at college parties (while pursuing Na-bi). Then in the last episode he has a 180degree personality change and is redeemed.

No wonder the audience can't connect.

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The same feeling I have for the potato guy. He appears suddenly and immediately pursue Na-bi as if there's a metered taxi waiting for him. He lied about a conversation that never happens just to protect his bruise ego after Na-bi rejected him. He presented himself as the better option. Forgetting that better option is not what Na-bi needs but space to process her thoughts and feelings.

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Yes, I found it problematic, too that we heard so little of his voice. But the change did not happen suddenly in the last episode, he has been on the back foot since the workshop. Since then he tried various ways (kneeling, seducing, confessing, shouting) to get rid of the competition and winning Na-bi back, with no success, because his methods were wrong. This he only fully realised in the rain bust up. Then there was only 1 episode left.

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It was a different drama, not only MFEO was the best drama of the year so far but the story was about the encounter and growth of the main characters.

Nevertheless was about NB's questions about herself and others. She learns a few things but she "lies" so much to herself and others until the very last ep, that she made most of the audience very confused which in turn made the show itself seem much worse than it was.
Jae-Un was kind of a puzzle, as he should be, but the drama did have many moments in the second half that existed only to show he had stronger romantic feelings for NB, which were a surprise for him. I would not say the audience was introduced to him as a player. That was his "reputation", my idea of the classical player means a guy that deceives people and JU seemed to have a lot of pride being honest with women about his lack of interest in any official boyfriend status. I do suspect that he went after women that would agree with that disregarding her own preferences, which would make him manipulative but still not a player. Anyway this was only a theory, there was never any proof of that though JU was manipulative a few times like when he pretended to be together with NB when DH was watching from a distance, probably as payback for the time DH lied to him about what NB had said.
I would not say he was redeemed since he wasn't a sinner in the first place. It's a matter of choice, they spent 10 eps playing a game and after some heartbreak felt it was possible to meet halfway .

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I didn't know anything about the webtoon, so I had no preconceived notion of how the story was expected to progress. Therefore I really enjoyed it as a love versus lust story. I doubt if their relationship based mainly on their mutual physical attraction will continue, but I did enjoy how the soft their relationship was filmed- the touches, the lighting was gorgeous. It was private and lovely.

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The director did a really job with the intimate scenes and directing in general. I think the fact that the director was a female had a lot to do with it. The only scene I had issues with was the opening bar scene in ep 9 where we only saw their backs. It just felt weird and made us feel too disconnected, which I am sure was mostly the point, but I wish they hadn't filmed the WHOLE scene that way. Should have threw in one other camera angle.

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is something wrong with me if i say that i liked this?

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Not at all, we all like different things, you are not wrong for disagreeing with the rest of us, even if you are wrong😘😜🤣😅.

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