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Open Thread #720

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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What kdramas disappointed you and why?

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Black Knight: the Man Who Guards Me. Though it does not invoke the same level of rage I felt for Pretty Noona, I remember staring at the screen, jaw in my lap, in utter disbelief by how sideways it went in subverting it's own premise. I won't say more than that because I don't want to spoil anything, but for some reason I still cannot get over how betrayed I felt by that drama. 🤣

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Pretty Noona was amazing!!! Until it wasn’t. I stopped at episode 10 when it started going sideways.

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My feelings on pretty noona (who disappointed me) are pretty well documented. It doesnt matter how many times I watch it I just dont understand. My latest questions (and I feel like this was answerwd but it also just made me angrier): in the beginning jt seemed like this was going to be a fairly even story. Both ml and fl had prominent storylines outside of the romance with friends and work. Even the running time seem fairly evenly split and then it abruptly goes from a shared love story to Jinas story. Someome said that they thought that happened because somehow the character resonated with a lot of women in sk. Ok. But if thats true and thats why the drama is so dang lopsided in character growth (or extreme lack thereof) then what was supposed to happen before junhee was sidelined and became a prop for jina to react to instead of a character? Were they still planning the breakup and the time jump before they switched focus? Would it have felt more even? Would the getting back together have felt more earned than strolling down the pier since we would have seen both sides?
I still get so angry! If that drama would have started as it meant to go on, a woman whos life is upended as falling in love with her bestfriends you ger brother forces her to grow up amd face some ugly realities in her home and work life then I wouldnt be so disappointed. It kept trying to sell ktself as a romance when after ep 8 it just wasnt

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*nods* I'm in agreement, but since we're on this show I want to state for the record that the biggest crime that show committed for me was the absolute overuse of the Stand By Your Man song. I used to love that song, and now hearing the opening notes makes me twitch. 😑

I mean, a song I adored that I now hate hearing more than Almost Paradise? That's a pretty sad accomplishment.

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@lilyleftthevalley this is how determined I was to make it make sense: one of my many, many rewatches I watched listening intently to Stand by Your Man. When they used it, the verses they used. Is there a clue in the song to make it make sense? Did they spend all of their OST money on this song and now they cant afford anything else and THATS why its used every 3 minutes. Did the guy mean to play it once, fell asleep with the song on repeat (its his favorite, reminds him of his mother who he wasnt seen in such a long time) but there wasnt time to redo it so he sent it to whoever who thought there was a deeper meaning but was too embarrassed to ask when he couldnt figure it so he just sent it to get played.
Have I spent possibly an entire lifetime trying to make it sensez
Have I possibly over thought it to the point that words dont make sense anymore?
All of this to say theu took a perfectly good song and made the worlds ears bleed and develop a twitch because of it. I hope someone kicked everyone involved in the daggone knee.

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@lilyleftthevalley also the unviersal panning of Almost Paradise is hilarious and an unoffical drama newbie right of passage at this point. When something ridiculous happens who doesnt burst into some Almost Paradise every now and again. (Is that just me) Stand by Your Man hasnt become almost cute in its overuse. Its just stabby. So. In short (ha, as if I could) this ost is a crime against humanity. I agree with you completely.

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@isthatacorner, I honestly played the justification game as well in my mind at the time, wondering how much $$ they spent on the rights, and conversely wondering if it had been recently released for public use so why not use the heck out of it? 🤣

I agree Almost Paradise did get the rep it has for similar overuse, but yes...it's definitely more earworm annoying than stabby sort of reaction for me. 🥴

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Ditto on Black Knight.

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SITR had an ambiguous ending which did not help, but after reading articles on why SYJ played the role as she did, I do understand her character and bad choices more. From that perspective, it holds up better than the first watch.

Black Knight was strange from the beginning. The FL character could have been a mannequin.

But nothing recently compares to the train wreck of OH MY LANDLORD. The first two episodes set the stage for an easy, light rom-com of two different people sharing the same house. The chemistry and humor was there. Then, the show went off the rails again, again and again.

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For SITR, I personally liked it until the end. It wasn't a drama where their love make every issue fading away. It was pretty real, love alone won't make you change but it can help.

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I didn’t have an issue with the life story not being a fairytale. I just actually ended up disliking every single person (and truly every single one) in the drama. Except for her best friend and the colleague who ended up opening a cafe on Jejudo. Which is also a testament to the quality of their acting! But I just thought they were all terrible people or constantly making terrible choices and I couldn’t manage it.

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@carlybisek I didn't think the FL and the ML were terrible person. They did make wrong choices but with their own life. They tried and failed like normal people.
As a Westerner, I hated the mother but I know that this pressure in a family exists in Korea, it was frustrating to watch for sure.

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Some might like or dislike SITR but these slice of life dramas usually will have these type of reactions due to cultural differences. SYJ really nailed this role though...as always :)

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I think Something in the Rain/Pretty Noona was highly underrated. Go ahead and throw things at me, but it's the drama I keep coming back to after watching a ton of great ones this year. Every time I see SITR I'm more impressed with Son Ye Jin's portrayal of a woman caught between traditional and modern expectations for women. I came from that same place and had those same problems. No offense, but I think Son Ye Jin got it exactly right.

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Son Ye-jin was amazing, and she nailed the character - I completely agree.

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If this is the one I think it is, then yes! It annoyed me no end. A vengeful woman who didn’t get her lover? some hundreds of years ago sells a coat to a young lass, the black knight is cursed with immortality while the women he love die of old age, Baddies should get their just rewards - always. Skipped bits here and there.

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It is indeed this, in a beautiful nutshell that highlights the mind-breaking absurdity of the drama. Thank you.

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Arthdal Chronicles - how could so many talented people create something this bad? Did no one look at the production design concept and scream "Stop!"?

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Omo! What a train wreck🤦🏼‍♀️

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still far better than 99% of kdrama garbage as well as other mainstream western fantasy shows.

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Will be forever wondering if Magic Horse is still waiting for Carrot Boy to wise up.

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Magic Horse was smart enough to get the hell out of there when things got bad.

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Exactly.

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*sips a cocktail* Look, I will forever root for Carrot Boy, but wait for him? He lost that privlege in episode 7.

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I am still sad there no season 2, just for that.

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I'm not...

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There will be no AC 2 for me. However I don’t think I will ever forget Song Joong-ki’s portrayal of twins Eunseom and Saya. He was terrific.

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Sisyphus— tried to be too grand, got all the dystopian elements wrong in my opinion. Love CSW though.
Temperature of Love— the crazy cougar mom character.
I haven’t seen the last 2 episodes of Monthly Magazine Home yet, but thinking it’s probably going to as well with some of the things I’ve read. 😅

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Hwayugi— ending, story went sideways. I wanted more ghost and supernatural and humor; the love story was tepid in my opinion too.

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My biggest complaint about Hwayugi is the TERRIBLE TERRIBLE cgi dragon.

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Ditto on Sisyphus - the drama that taught me what "hate watching" is all about.

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Feel so much better I dropped that one at episode 8

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Pretty Noona and I ended up disliking SYJ and the male lead because of the characters they portrayed.

Alhambra, I hated the ending. The show could have been super great.

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I still rewatch episodes. Spain is so beautiful and HB is so beautiful. I remember vividly how furious we all were at that ending, though 🤦🏼‍♀️

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That ending shouldn't have happened bbstl. Just thinking about it makes me legit furious.

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I agree ! The Spain scenes were just beautiful, and Hyun Bin was at his best. The ending is extra disappointing because the build up was so good until the last few episodes.

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Ditto all this!

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Alhambra had so much potential. Especially after what happened in ep 3. But sadly that's exactly where the story stopped too, the writer had nothing to tell after that.

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The “glitch” in the system still haunts me to this day.

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Emma is haunting you? Do you need a tear bucket?

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@magichorse

No, thank you. Hi Magic Horse.
*waves*

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Most recently for me probably DO DO. There was a lot to like but the spectacular crash landing of an ending left a sour taste.

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Also it came to me (I had wiped it out of my mind already): DARK HOLE. 12 episodes. A total mess. I hung in there for LJH (1984). LJH you owe me one.

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Seeing everyone was burnt by the ending of Do Do made me so glad I stopped it at ep13.

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The ending felt like a big fish slap across the face. Just thinking about it now, I feel my blood pressure going up. Wow, that was one insulting ending.

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I can not imagine how the creative team decided that was the right ending.

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Do Do. You had to remind me. Arrrgh.

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DDSSLLS is definitely a show that started well but crashed horribly. In the end, however, it would by hard to beat FOREST for sheer contrived stupidity: The entertainment value lay entirely in pointing out all the things wrong with it- it was the drama equivalent of Finding Waldo.

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I am still fuming mad after watching Monthly Magazine Home’s finale last night. Wtf was that?!! When I saw the preview for ep16, I was like, they wouldn’t right? But then they did, they actually did it. I am still in disbelief…smh

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I am too quite disappointed in the ending of MMH - I ff-d through much of episode 15 and then 16 was just...
something else.
But I guess I got a bean if nothing else.

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I think I’ve officially decided not to watch the end of MMH which is a shame because I really was enjoying it.

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I told my friend the same thing. Watch til ep 15 and skip the last 2 mins of it. The end.

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Same. Going to take @tsutsuloo’s advice and stop at 36 min of ep 16 if I do finish it.

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Its been a long time since a drama has enraged me but Monthly Magazine Home has. Not only did they pull the year's WORST 'noble idiocy' trope, but they made a character who is objectively evil the male lead. A ruthless big city house flipper who throws women onto the street to resell their building at an inflated price? The perfect male lead! (shakes fists in rage)

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The gold standard for disappointment is 'Melting Me Softly'. Park Chan Wook's return, Yoon Se-ah, Won Jin-ah, a director who had won a best drama award just the year before. And it was TERRIBLE. The cast came to look like they were being held hostage. The script seemed like it was being written by an intern while the writer was off drunk somewhere. Disappointment with a capital 'D'.

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If Park Chan-wook had really had anything to do with Melting Me Softly, I imagine it would have been called It's Cryonics But That's Not Okay.

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I cannot stop laughing at this...😆

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I run away the moment it seems annoying. I have no loyalty like that. So I actually cannot remember any drama. But I am just so happy that I have watched none of the dramas you guys are mentioning. Lol.

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You are wise!

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Unfortunately, a lot of dramas lately have been great up til episode 13, then BAM! They blindside you.

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'till Ep 13' sounds so serious. So much engagement gone to vain.

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High Kick Through the Roof. There was only 125 episodes, not 126.

Scarlet Heart Ryeo - it was the best of dramas, it was the worst of dramas.

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Omg High Kick 2 yes! I read somewhere (dunno if it’s hearsay) that the PD and Shin Se Kyung were responsible for ep 126 coz the writer have another ending in mind. I am petty so I avoided Shin Se Kyung like a plague after that. But then Run On came so…

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It was so inappropriate- if they were shooting a kdrama version of The Sopranos or some artsy flick, ok, but High Kick was a family sitcom!

Hmmmm. I wonder what a kdrama remake of the Sopranos would look like?

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I have love/hate rewatched SHR, and I will likely do so again for exactly the best/worst as you say.

And the whole slightly different episodes release nightmare per country--AISH! It's the only show in my "watched" list where I have an extra bookmark to a dropbox file for that helps remind me which eps are different so my brain doesn't do the whole--"wait, wasn't there a scene here where"...😣

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Most of them, actually.

It's easier to list shows that did NOT disappoint -- recently:
Racket Boys
Law School
Youth of May
Vincenzo
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Also, listing those does not make me cringe and shudder as much as when people mention shows like Arsedal.

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Also avoids dredging up erased memories…

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"Most of them, actually."
So I did some... probably, poor, science.

Of all the dramas I have ever started, I calculated that 86% of them, with a margin of +/- 7%, were disappointing in some way.
This is disappointment as a broad term however, and covers all kinds and ways of disappointments, from shows I like or love, but still find something disappointing, to low expectations were met disappointing, to no expectations were met negatively disappointing, to expectations sabotaged at any point in the show and catapulted into the sun, to general bad, poor, week, or mildly unsatisfactory writing, both with and without emotional attachment, to "okay but like that one thing is still disappointing if I think about it enough ye ken?"... so just bear that in mind.
Every kind, of disappointment.

The remaining constitutes of
No Data: 3%
Can’t Be Actually be Disappointing, because I got exactly what I expected even if it wasn't objectively "good" (or was it): 2% (don't ask me to explain this category)

And finally, just 2% were not disappointing in any way at all.
Again with a margin of +/- 7%. (minus Sic? Minus? Oh wait guys actually there are -5% not disappointing shows flkjdhflahjdla)
This 7% are shows that either, just I don't know, or don't remember enough to categorise them, or shows that probably had minor disappointments, but are they are enough to count? And how am I counting this in the first place? And what constitutes a minor disappointment big enough to make it into the Disappointment category? Because then the 2% might be 1% or it might be actually be 12% (or -5% apparently)? Why did I put some in that 7% unknown and some not?
What is disappointment? How do we rate it? When and how does something stop becoming a disappointment?
And maybe this science is actually just bad and needs more work...

Wow this definitely didn't make me sound like an utter kill joy at all... O_o
I promise... I like things... sometimes... oh help. I feel like I need to write a positive essay to redeem myself...

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I bow to the Queen Über Nerd!

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People strive for perfection, but Life is Imperfect. Dramas are the same.

I think “disappointment” can arrive at three points: prior to show (anticipation expectation), during the show (delivery expectation) and the ending (satisfaction rating).

For example in two shows mentioned above, SITR/Noona had high anticipation expectation due to SYJ casting as lead and famous director at the helm. The early episodes exploded with chemistry and story which lead to even higher delivery expectations. But the the character choices and the ambiguous ending divided viewers dramatically pro and con. The latter invokes the dreaded “did the show stick the landing?” critical review for some viewers.

Then there was SYJ’s other project, CLOY. It has zero anticipatory expectations due to the bizarre premise and plot. During the early episodes, any logic viewing was put aside for full suspension of belief. Ironically, the ending to CLOY was also ambiguous but the vast majority of viewers did not care - - - they got what they wanted in their lock down fantasy romance show. A year and a half after it ended, it is still talked about and loved by fans (beyond the shippers continuing the storyline pushing the fantasy through to the leads’ real life dating story which a different topic).

You had two shows with the same female lead: One with high early expectations to mixed results at the end, and another with no expectations that had positive results and great fan appreciation.

Then you can have shows that come out of left field: no hype, no expectations but explode in a joyful discovery of pure entertainment. For example, Pegasus Market came out of no where to be one of the best, craziest comedies of all time. Or Hot Stove League, which premise was not juicy, regular drama fare, but delivered an excellent story and ensemble cast acting. Thoroughly enjoyable from start to finish.

It is how a person’s expectations start and how they change during viewing a show that sets up the final conclusion whether it was sufficiently entertaining or disappointing.

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There are a lot of dramas that start with a great pitch and end in flames...

It's why I wanted people to rate the drama here at the end because the end often is disapointing.

My biggest deceptions are :
- 49 Days, the FL deserved better !
- God's Gift - 14 Days

There are some dramas with a big productions that were pretty disapointing like Vagabond, Arthdal Chronicles, TKEM, Sisyphus, etc.

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I tell myself Vagabond was intended to have a season 2. If it had a resolution I would love everything about it 😄

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I really liked the first episode of Vagabond but then I dropped it.

The number of season is really an issue. I watched Arthdal Chronicles until the end because I thought I would have an end!

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I’ve been contemplating trying Arthdal Chronicles but this is putting me off.

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@beffels If you want to watch Arthdal I'd wait until season 2 actually exists - otherwise you'll want to throw your screen when you get to the end of the existing episodes.

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The girl who could see smells. To see the villain, played by the ever wonderful Nam Goong-min, going from genius to Houdini in lack of logic. I was so disappointed I struggled to finish the drama.

I have been so fortunate as to not have seen the dramas mentioned by the other beanies here.

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NGM played one of the greatest villainous roles for me in Remember the Son’s War,. Have you seen that? Wonderful performance from him from the beginning to the end.

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No, I haven't. Putting it on my watch list ASAP. Thanks!

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That really was a performance to remember!

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I'd say IOTNBO and I know it's an unpopular opinion. But given all the hype I was expecting it to be amazing and man did it fall short. For starters I couldn't stand the FL and the way she together with the ML, plus they both really need therapy. I finished though mainly for Sang tae who was phenomenal.

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Abyss - I was really looking forward to it, having just watched two good Park Bo Young dramas in a row and then it was just…not good. I didn’t make it to the end.

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Do You Like Brahms - started out with such promise but snide first loves who weren’t interested but now can’t let go always make me rage!

Voice - not enough mystery for me. I preferred Special Affairs Team Ten

Vampire Detective - anyone remember this? Where did yellow eyes come from?! So weird.

Also with everyone on Arthdal. I powered on to the end expecting some kind of resolution, but no. He’s only just got out of that flipping cave he spend the whole series walking to.
And Alhambra. Crying is no substitute for kicking ass.

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Also W: Two Worlds was awesome for the first 6 episodes. I don’t think anyone understood it after that lol

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Yeah, that show had such an interesting premise before it collapsed spectacularly.

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I still love W: Two Worlds, and I've rewatched it more times than I can remember at this point. I totally understand the frustration some had with it, but my brain just embraced the hell out of it, and will not even wince much at the awkward "this could have been better scripted somehow" bits towards the end.

I think the strongest moments it holds for me manage to tie me over in those later awkward bits. There are not many shows where I am literally cheering plot or character developments because they just hit that exact right note even when the moments aren't happy ones.

I also wonder if the entire "who's actually the author at this point" aspect makes so much sense to me because how many Kdramas have we all written stuff like "Did the writer just give up/get replaced/pull out the KTrope deck/etc?" 🤔

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One last thought on this: I know two things that really resonated for me in this show are the threads of "kill your darlings" (common struggle for writers), and the notion of letting your characters you've created do what they need to do/grow on their own sometimes instead of what you'd much rather they be doing.

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I think I got super confused by the last 2 episodes… where he could jump in and out of the mangaverse because he was both a main character and a human now. And I can’t remember how he managed to survive. Wasn’t it random lucky magic?

Omg which reminds me of Queen Inhyun’s Man. That was great until the lucky phone call in the last episode!

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@lilyleftthevalley I also really liked the concept of W, which is why the later episodes were so frustrating. I also recognize that what the writer was trying to do is really difficult - deconstruct the cliches, tropes and narrative structures that underpin most shows while still trying to create a compelling show. That's why when amnesia, people magically coming back to life, easy solutions to hard problems (hey, I'll just draw a new ending), starting popping up it was so frustrating. I'm honestly not sure it's possible to succeed at what she was trying to do, but the first 6 episodes suggested it might have been possible.

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@jance To your query, yes, he gets the just-in-the-nick-of-time rescue at the end so he can survive and happy couple ending.🙄 But honestly by that point there's so much suspension of disbelief going on, it would have been much more surprising had they not. (I don't know why, but bits like the whole erasing doors and windows at the house thing was more cringe worthy to me--though I thought it brilliant for the single door removal earlier. I mean, if you're going to go all out "anything is possible", just redraw yourselves IN ANOTHER HOUSE SOMEWHERE ELSE.)

Yeah, I kinda cringed at Queen Inhyun’s Man's ending as well--but more because they built up so hard for it--I mean, the phone which they never explain WHY it's in the cell suddenly works again?!?! Yes, yes, the person imprisoning him has mad respect for him--but...still...every other criminal gets stripped down to whites and everything taken away in those times if it gets so bad your in a cell. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit when he finds her and they kiss, I was just swooned right away from my disappointment. 😂

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Ack--bad grammar slipped by me! ..."if it gets so bad you're in a cell."

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@jance Oh, and with QIM, I would also be remiss to not mention the whole meet-cute teasing about the letter--oooo, just melted my heart. 🥰 That show needs another rewatch too after the gardening season ends here. They were so darn adorable.

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While I was super disappointed back when it first was aired, I felt W really improved on re-watch. I also had a significantly lower watching tempo the second time around which allowed for some greater patience, I think.

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W—TWO WORLDS APART a was one of my early kdramas. I came into kdrama land in 2016. I really enjoyed it but like a lot of people got lost.
It was my introduction to actor Lee Si-eon. Every time I see him now I usually belt out a “NOONA!!!!”

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I'm always happy when I see him in a drama too!

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At the moment, Encounter, but I should have known. It's a struggle to finish. I'm at episode 15 when he's smiling at her across the books and she's looking at him and saying to herself, "Today's the day I break up with him." (Or something like that) And all because she is a spineless noble idiot.

There's a great big dividing line between my early viewing experiences and my more recent ones. Every single one I saw at the beginning was a thing of wonder that I did not have the will to pan.

As an academic, I've spent my life as a critic. It was nice not to wear that hat. I just went in uncritically for the sheer pleasure of it. I adored Pretty Noona, especially the leads. I was amazed at the mother's reaction. I tolerated the ending. I love the VR in Alambra. IMO that was the only possible ending if he wasn't going to go to jail. I'm still waiting for the next season of Arthdal. LOL. But That's Love made me want to tear my hair out.

Nowadays, I'm getting more critical, especially about the roles for women. A good one: The Spies I Loved. A bad one: Sisyphus. Which brings me back to Encounter and makes me want to criticise the FL. The role is terrible, the acting is on life support. Good thing I've just started The Road to erase the memories.

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Forest is one that stands out as a horrid disappointment that I still managed to soldier through to the end thanks to beanies. This has come up many times before, so I'll just say both character and plot dysfunction made it a mess--and leave it at that here.

To be clear, I'm not joking--the only thing that got me to the end were the great recap beanie discussions that devolved into a few of us writing alternate scenes for the drama in those threads.

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I was going to mention Forest as well! I agree the only reasons worth watching this cringefest were the weecaps by @missvictrix and the hundreds of associated incredulously hilarious beanie comments about flaming hands and fingernail clams. No one and nothing in this drama made sense. Does it count when the drama starts disappointing you from episode 1? I tuned in for Jo BoA and really wanted to like this, but had to drop it halfway, when I no longer gave two figs about what happened to anyone, or the forest. This is the only drama I've seen with Park Hae Jin, and I had heard the boy can act, although this drama seems to suggest otherwise.

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Don't remind me! LOL

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If you’re on the Jo Boa trail, then Take of the Nine Tailed was a flop for me…

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I had a hard time with that one because I was fairly hopeful, and now that you mention it...my brain is asking, "Did we finish that?" (Which is never a good sign if I can't recall the end of a show.)

I know they did a mini spin off with the brother which I still haven't watched because I haven't found it subbed yet and just don't have the brain capacity right now to watch it unsubbed: Tale of the Nine Tailed: An Unfinished Story

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I'm rather picky when it comes to watching Kdramas so I think the ones that had me in utter disbelief recently goes to Alice and Sisyphus. I watched it expecting a decent story (read decent as I'm not expecting anything spectacular) but what a huge let down these are. I know it's bad when I lost interest half way through the show. It's such a waste to have good actors but lousy stories for a show.....

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Omg.. why did you bring up Alice? 🥺 I forgot that it did even exist!

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hahaha sorry but it I have to let it out :P

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I had skipped Alice, and reading these bits--glad I did. 😏

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Lily is super wise. 🙃

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Hee...there's something I rarely hear! 😁

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The sooner Alice is erased from our collective unconscious the better

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Can’t agree more. Am a bit glad to learn that I already forgot about it at one point.

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*snorts*... someone else should answer this for me.

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Something something The Crowned Clown something something. Arthdal probably.

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Oh come on you can think of more than that... surely ;)

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Sic hates Vincenzo.

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Little Boy - 4315k - for 19th is so near - this week it was fast.

Watching cricket and getting annoyed by clouds and rain stopping play again and again. happy to see crowds and that enjoying cricket.

5 straight months no outing outside. So its about time to see a few foreign faces. Late, delayed but still in eyes.

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Last 3 weeks - not so good financially - from strong position to raising white flag - this hurts more than having miscuing analysis.

Space - another week another never discoveries and new milestones. the only place where humanity shines. The only thing for which i can give all of my wealth.

Weather - heated summer with fires adding more. popcorn time.

Food - fruits that never tried, tasted before and are imported from other regions.

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Space. Yes.

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Yes. Yes. Yes.

I'm mostly on /r/space or can try few twitter bots for specific.

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I learned a new phrase this week: "spiritual opium."

The Chinese government through its state news agencies said its young people are addicted to online games and called for a crackdown on the tech industry.

China can be brutal to its rich, star class when they evade taxes, commit crimes or because too successful because that does not play well with old communist principles. The technology boom in China created a sudden new class of millionaires who want more freedom to make more money in the capitalism way.

Internet addiction is a global problem, but it is not just limited to on-line games. But China claims that the multi-billion dollar industry cannot be allowed to develop in a way that will destroy the next generation. Since 2017, the government regulators have pushed time limits on minors play time on on-line game platforms but kids get around these rules very easily.

What seems worse to many is that in the US, individuals have turned their game play compulsion into full time Twitch or YouTube channels that stream their Fortnight or other games on the net (apparently to a wide enough audience to make enough money not to get a real job).

This scores a point that we have been discussing for quite a while: entertainment consumption is rapidly changing either by the type of content and its distribution channels.

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Chinese government and negligent parents choose not to acknowledge causes of the so-called "internet addictions".

Netizens have listed several "addictive" items (Hong Kong music, Taiwanese dramas, wuxia novels, hand-held video games, video game systems, computers, anime, manga, web novels..., blamed for making children not want to study their butts off or getting bad grades.

Even as Chinese government is pushing schools to boost PE classes, so the boys don't grow up to be like effeminate idols (as if vast majority of the boys have the looks), parents also have called sports like basketball addictive.

Pretty much anything that kids spend time enjoying without spending much money can become spiritual opium to parents who don't want to spend much time and energy on their kids.

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The Chinese government made a huge mistake when it instituted the One Child policy forty-two years ago, only to discover that a one child policy equals a four grandparent policy- which is why the country now has a massively out of whack demographic structure. Their workforce has actually been shrinking for the past several years. While they have been altering that policy for the past eight years- and will probably completely abandon any limits this fall- the damage appears to be permanent.

The resulting panic over this situation is causing all sorts of overreactions as both parents and government now feel a need to squeeze maximum productivity out of the youngsters. Pity to young people of China.

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Many parents fear that the recent education "reforms" are intended to decrease upward mobility of the less affluent via more education to increase less-educated cheap laborers such as factory, janitors and home care workers.

Factory workers tend to be in greater danger of being left behind by ever changing technology.

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This makes a sort of superficial sense based upon traditional Chinese culture- Which is where that thinking comes from. But traditional Chinese culture always assumed and encouraged having a lot of children in big families.

But what happens when young people become a scarce resource? That is the actual challenge facing China today and for decades to come. It is a situation without precedent in Chinese history.

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It’s interesting that in affluent countries (from what I can see) many families have just naturally headed towards only having one child anyway, with no overt state intervention - partly because women are having babies later in life and it gets more difficult, partly from expense, other available choices etc - in my country, the fertility rate is something like 1.7 babies per woman (so below replacement rate).

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Large families are useful in agrarian culture. Children are put to work early. Much less so in modern urban life with laws prohibiting child labor. Helping around the family business is fine but should not interfere with school work.

Back in the 1990's, I read something about Japanese women not having babies as "revenge" for treatment by their patriarchal society. China, with its huge male-female population discrepancy, seems to be heading that way too. Society overall and government haven't done much, and probably won't do much, to make women, especially the younger generations, feel they are valued more than incubators and servants

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Hi beanies!

I’ve been no so subtlety recruiting new singers for our Beanie singing group! We do all of it online through the Smule app. It’s super fun! And you don’t even have to hold a tune in a bucket to join us!

On the life front, my world is all Covid all the time, so kdramas and singing have been my outlets. My son is leaving for school today (math and science boarding high school) and 75 % of the student population is COVID19 vaccinated, and he just got his meningitis vaccine as well, so I’ve done as much as I can to protect him. Daughter is sad her best friend is leaving. But she still has math genius.

I’ve been watching Nevertheless and Monthly Magazine Home, HP2 I’m super behind on—the episodes just aren’t as tightly written this season. I have several I’m wanting to binge, but not enough time.

Conversation:
Daughter: it’s not fair that none of my other fiends have to deal with stomach reflux and food allergies—oh, except for [math genius].
Me: 😂 You can’t forget math genius. His allergies are worse than yours. (Really, this kid is miserable in the spring when all the pollens are out. And he’s on a soccer field all the time, because he’s a soccer phenom too. And too bad I’m not in his insurance plan.)
Daughter: Yeah, I guess I shouldn’t complain. But he doesn’t have acid reflux or lactose intolerance!
Me: Thinking—What a pair you two would make! I’d make a fortune just treating all your future progeny! 🤣

Moral of the story: there’s always someone worse off than you.
2nd moral: of course I wouldn’t charge them.
3rd moral: may the odds always be in your favor, Beanies! Have a great weekend!

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Sounds like a motto for great parenting, "Prep like mad, then let them go"!

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LOL at treating them and the grandkids...

But also
"And you don’t even have to hold a tune in a bucket to join us!"

If you heard me "sing" you would decide to get more selective. Trust me.

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Honestly, we only care if you try and love singing and enjoy yourself! Right @waadmay?

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Yes but does that mean I'm that bad ???!
I thought i was okay 🤣

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😂, you’re the one that says you don’t dare listen to yourself!

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I meant the last song I did with you , I thought my voice was awful in that one 🤣

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My ‘singing’ is also in this category. I improved from absolutely abysmal to only completely terrible after singing my children to sleep for years 😅

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I bet your children love you for that.

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My friend always used to tell his son not to sing because he was so tuneless - he was, but I always thought it was terrible to stop him - so I try to make sure I don’t do it myself.

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I agree! My hubby is tone deaf, but I still love singing with him!

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Hello! Does anyone know some real life game(s) that is similiar to the ones shown in Love 020 or You are my glory. The app permissions some games required were a little uncomfortable for me - Can manipulate or delete data from SD card. I came across Black Desert plus but my mobile does not support it.

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The game 'Honor of Kings', featured in You are my glory is a real game. I read Gu Man took some time publishing her novel because of discussions with the owner of the game. According to wikipedia, it's really popular.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_of_Kings

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