Kim Sun-ho releases official apology, will step down from 1N2D and upcoming movie
by stroopwafel
Kim Sun-ho has announced that he will be withdrawing from the variety show 1 Night 2 Days (1N2D) as well as his upcoming film, Date at 2 p.m. This announcement comes on the heels of a maelstrom that started on October 17, following an anonymous post from a woman who claimed to have been in a relationship with a popular actor whose last name began with a K.
The poster, referred to in the media by the pseudonym Ms. A, never named Kim Sun-ho in the original post, but when it went viral there were enough details for K-netizens to put a name to “Actor K.”
Ms. A wrote that she began dating Actor K at the start of last year and they were together until four months ago. When she became pregnant, Actor K persuaded her to get an abortion under the pretext that he would soon marry her. Though she wanted to carry the baby to term, Actor K convinced her proceed with the abortion as news he’d fathered a child would result in him having to pay out financial damages in the range of 900 million won (~$800,000, and it’s not clear if he was referring to being liable to his agency or to his advertisers). Though she had the abortion, afterwards, instead of being apologetic towards her, Actor K erased all traces of himself from the relationship and he dumped her.
The anonymous nature of the post had some outlets dismissing the allegations, but there were early signs that something bigger was brewing. It was unusual to see so much time go by with no response from Kim’s agency and some companies quietly removed all ads featuring Kim Sun-ho.
Though an official statement is now out, there’s still the question of what will happen with Kim Sun-ho’s many future projects. Interestingly, there’s been no mention of a hiatus or reflection period yet, but it looks like for the time being, Kim Sun-ho won’t have much choice when it comes to working. He has been dropped from all of his dozen or so advertisement campaigns, which included La Roche-Posay and Domino’s Pizza, and it’s hard to see any directors or broadcasters taking a chance and casting him.
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
I sincerely apologize for the delay in releasing an official statement. A few days ago, articles with my name were published and I experienced a fear I’d never felt before and it’s only now that I’m able to write a statement.
Our relationship had a positive beginning. Through the course of those events, I hurt her with my careless and inconsiderate behavior. I wanted to first meet her in person and apologize to her directly, but I have been unable to do so and I am waiting for the opportunity to meet her.
First and foremost, I would like to apologize sincerely to her through this statement.
To everyone who cheered me on and believed in me to the very end, I’m sorry for disappointing you. It was only through your constant support that the actor Kim Sun-ho was able to succeed, but I let myself forget that.
I apologize to the many people who I worked with on projects who have been impacted negatively because of my inadequacies.
I apologize to everyone whom I’ve hurt.
I know that I won’t be able to reach everyone with my rambling words, but nonetheless I hope to impart my sincerity.
I’m truly sorry.
– Kim Sun-ho
Via Hankuk Kyungje, Maeil Kyungje, Sports Kyunghang
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1 halofan68
October 20, 2021 at 7:05 PM
Simply gross. I wish I could unwatch Hometown and Start-Up to erase the yuck feeling.
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Mike
October 20, 2021 at 8:29 PM
Imagine, actors having a PRIVATE LIFE!
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knewbie
October 21, 2021 at 12:36 AM
Imagine, viewers having personal preferences about whom and what to watch!
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shichybot
October 21, 2021 at 3:52 AM
Actors do have private lives, as the plot of ROY says according to twitter stans. I don't know how similar this is to that, but I haven't seen the drama, so can anyone tell me if this is true? 😅
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halofan68
October 21, 2021 at 9:42 AM
Kim Sun-ho, a public figure, conducted his "private life" reprehensibly, to the harm of others, but did not commit any actions which violate the law, so the only just consequence he can face (outside of his own conscience) is negative public opinion. My time and money are finite resources, and are therefore valuable to me. I care about how they are expended and if my viewership of his projects benefited him even to only an infinitesimal degree, I regret it.
I get the argument that people should stay out of other people's bedrooms. But we are not talking about adultery or an odd sexual quirk. He affirmatively harmed another person in a horribly callous manner. Given the choice between making a personal decision of whom to support with my entertainment dollars based upon an actor's personal conduct or joining others who would simply ignore his awful behavior and potentially enable KSH to greater fame and popularity, and thereby give him greater access to other women who he may treat in similar fashion, the choice seems pretty clear to me.
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Anonymous
October 21, 2021 at 1:48 PM
I do not dispute your right to spend your entertainment dollars any way you wish and to make those decisions for any reason you wish. I guess I'm just uncomfortable with this portrayal of KSH as some kind of monster, based of course on the information I have. Maybe he is, I don't know. But from what I have heard, he offered his lover - a 37 year old woman by the way whom everybody seems quick to relieve of agency - an ultimatum and/or a deal. "Terminate the pregnancy or we are through." What if he had said, "If you terminate this pregnancy than we are through."? Also an ultimatum, just a different one. Don't people have the right to draw lines in their relationships? Either way she still has a choice. She just doesn't like her choices. She's calling it coercive - from my perspective - because she can't have her cake and eat it too. What about the "If you terminate this pregnancy then we can get married."? Well, all that means is that she was willing to make that deal. I'm not defending anybody's behavior in this whole scenario. It's truly a cluster$#&%. But I guess I don't see how he "affirmatively harmed another person in a horribly callous manner."
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halofan68
October 21, 2021 at 3:07 PM
I hesitate to respond because back and forths of topics such as this often lead to interminable exchanges where people talk at each other but...
(1) no one here, including me, has called KSH anything close to a monster -- I characterized his conduct as reprehensible, which I believe to be a fairly accurate adjective for the actions described in @stroopwafel's post. Your use of "monster" is indicative of seeing KSH as the ultimate victim here.
(2) AGENCY -- the only agency that matters to me in this context is that when men elect to have unprotected sex that results in pregnancy, we have to accept we lose "agency" as to the decision on whether that pregnancy is carried to term. We can choose to be supportive and continue the relationship regardless of the decision or, if the woman chooses to have the child contrary to our hopes, we can discontinue the relationship and just support/love the child. That is it for any available "reasonable" responses. I don't care if you call it persuasion, coercion or extortion, encouraging our partners to terminate pregnancies (against their wishes) based solely upon our self-interested concerns is simply beyond the pale.
(3) "horribly callous" -- let's recap based upon the original post: Ms. A wanted to have the child but KSH opposed and advocated for abortion, rather than owning up to "I do not want to me a father, so count me out" (strike one); rather than being honest, he fraudulently told her that time and consequences were not right, given they will eventually marry (and presumably start a family later), when his subsequent actions indicate he had no intention of continuing the relationship once he got Ms. A to terminate the pregnancy (strike two); he then ghosted her (strike three). KSH has not even attempted to deny the factual particulars above which, to me, says a great deal. I don't know how you consider this conduct as anything but horribly callous.
Anonymous
October 21, 2021 at 3:22 PM
To hoalofan68: Thank you for your response. I didn't see it that way. You are right.
Lwx
October 21, 2021 at 9:55 PM
The problem with this kind of situation is that the blame goes mostly to a man. Having unprotected sex is the responsibility of both, not just one participant.
If the situation is the opposite people won't blame the woman for getting an abortion, even if the man (father of the child) was opposed to the abortion.
For me, the woman getting an abortion means that she cares more about marriage than the child and this removes any sympathy I had for her. As that makes IMO the unborn child a tool. In that situation, I would rather marry the woman that didn´t go with abortion than the one that did.
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thimble
October 22, 2021 at 2:20 PM
Such righteous indignation! I've come to the conclusion that people like KSH who behave badly in relationships should pay some sort of fine and be done with it, but not be banned because if they all were, we would lose half the writers, artists, talented performers and politicians of this world. It's just not worth it. And anyway, it never seems to end this kind of behavior.
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2 Jezz
October 20, 2021 at 7:07 PM
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3 Jezz
October 20, 2021 at 7:09 PM
I have two questions:
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Beverly
October 20, 2021 at 7:19 PM
He is in his mid 30s so should be long done with his enlistment.
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HANI
October 20, 2021 at 7:28 PM
not sure about retirement. there are some noises at the start of this scandal that his contract with salt actually expired in sept. both didnt say anything about his future plan but I know he already dropped for 2 movies so he is basically on hiatus already.
as for military service, he done that years ago between 2007-2009 iirc
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akikisetsu
October 20, 2021 at 7:57 PM
Well with this controversy and the likely penalties from Cfs, I don't think Salt or any agency are in a rush to sign a management contract with him.
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akikisetsu
October 20, 2021 at 7:29 PM
Based on watching him on 1N2D, my answer to your questions:
1. Prior to dramas, he was solely working on theatre/musicals. So, he will most likely comeback through that medium first and then maybe dramas/movies at a later time.
Based on comments, he might not have a choice as the entertainment biz seems to be his only way in making a living. He just recently hit big with all the CFs, and now with all the penalties, and he is a HE and still seems to have fans calling him "oppa", so he will come back for sure.
2. Unfortunately for him, he cannot runaway to the military. I think he has completed his, as he is already in his mid-30s.
Seriously with him!!!!! I always hear them mentioning on 1N2D that they can't cause trouble as they need to stay long with the show, but he had to mess it up. It also doesn't help that him and his company were marketing him as this pristine, kind and an ultimate gentleman, hence the bigger the fallout.
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amruta1009
October 20, 2021 at 7:36 PM
The way that 'good boy' image did more harm... I have to laugh.
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akikisetsu
October 20, 2021 at 7:48 PM
Good-boy image especially crafted in variety shows, the stickier it gets. LSG is an example of this good-boy image cemented through 1N2D as well. Hence, LSG in conversation with Lee Soojin is well-aware that he needs to careful and calculating especially at the peak of interest. Variety shows especially well-loved ones are the easiest way to get any actors name out there and they get to reap the benefit as general public recognition, visibility, CFs. So, it is just fair that they deal with the consequences of the manufactured image.
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am1993
October 21, 2021 at 8:47 AM
Now I'm worried that Lee Seunggi also has a sordid past/present hidden behind that Best-Best-Boy persona he has. I'm sure he has some skeletons in his closet (who doesn't?) but let's hope they are very very small.
emsel
October 21, 2021 at 12:27 AM
There are articles/comments that I have read in other sites that says he used to like wearing accessories, but his company/PR objected to his preferance as they liked him better as a "polished" person. Also he tends to gravitate towards non traditional girls, but his agency coached him to say he likes "traditional and non glamourous girls".
I don't understand how any of his preferences were bad in and of itself, but if K-ent is giving someone a complete makeover to make them more attractive to fans, then the core issue isn't with the artist/company solely because this is the culture that is approved and being followed to appease fans and make profit.
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soulsearch12
October 24, 2021 at 11:20 PM
Also he tends to gravitate towards non traditional girls, but his agency coached him to say he likes "traditional and non glamourous girls".
Hi! What do you mean by this? Or this your thought since this scandal broke? And what does non traditional girls mean? Someone like a Jessi? He did say he would always date "bad" girls whatever that means.
Giving a makeover to an actor isn't a new thing. However, too much image change can seep through, and it can make an actor very tressed having to put up an image that isn't theirs but their agencies.
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RainbowLynn
October 21, 2021 at 2:21 AM
And also his motto that he mentioned several times during interview is "to be the person that people would always like to work with". So I believed he fully understands that whatever bad things he do in his personal life could resurface eventually.
And in 2D1N, he kinda felt bad if he had to choose to betray or not. He's also sometimes one of the moral compass of the group, captured holding babies and even came with a name for his future kid in an interview.
So to think that he's likely the least on the group to me that would do something like this, makes it so disheartening. I'm aware most celebrities put certain personas in front of reality camera, like maybe for him he's sometimes clueless, blank, childlike and lacking focus most of the time. But a person can't fabricate 90% of his personality for variety only. That'd be exhausting.
But if ALL the details in the ex gf's accusations are indeed true, he's not only a genius in acting, calculating and also genius master manipulator lol.
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Juliet
October 21, 2021 at 5:49 AM
I can’t believe he could do all this. I woke up one morning and this happens…it’s hard when you idolize him…Yes, he’s a great actor…I liked him and I really like his personality…he seems very humble…but…he seems to be genius manipulator too…ohhh that’s really scary…it’s like watching a real k-drama…a psycho…wow!
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lackingfive
October 20, 2021 at 8:42 PM
he's 36 years old in korean age...he already went military long time ago xD
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pohonphee
October 21, 2021 at 6:55 AM
Where is military when you need it? :D
It is not fair to strip one person from his livelihood, he still can work as an actor in theater, if he lays low a little bit he still can make come back by rebranding him self or something. His bad personality definitely will hinder his career, but he should work what he got. He can say goodbye to CF or brand spoke person, because he ruins his image himself.
I think the two of them is like feathers folk together, some women can forgo bad personality over sweet talk and handsome face, but some women can't. It is a life choice. I see many couples like this, they are in toxic relationship, with one of the personality is prone to be abusive but they go on getting married anyway. Just dont come back and tell me "Have I told you so?"
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egads aka Dame Maggie
October 21, 2021 at 7:10 AM
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pohonphee
October 21, 2021 at 7:29 AM
it is life choice whoever you want to have relationship with, I dont say it because I dont want to help them if something come along the way because they dont mind what other people say. It is like some like pretty boy, some like 'bad boy', some like men with money, anything else besides the point. Personal preference. I dont judge other people preference, maybe she is happy with it or was happy.
I dont try to defend him, this happen in real life, I will not recommend any woman to marry or have relationship with someone like him but if she does what do I have to say about it? She is an adult. Every choice has consequences.
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4 sartorius
October 20, 2021 at 7:26 PM
Image is everything in Korea and he fucked up bad. But he's a man so im sure in a couple of years, he will begin his return. SMH. This is why I don't believe anything that k-entertainers put out, cause at the end of the day it is all a carefully crafted image and the cracks will show sooner or later. It's sad that Korea has such high standards for k-entertainers cause at the end of the day, they are just as human as we "normal people" are.
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lynnB
October 20, 2021 at 8:25 PM
You are right, he will be absolutely fine. All the people calling for Seo Yea-ji's head are suddenly unwilling to judge an actor's private life. Fortunately for him this happened at a time where he has a solid fan base. They will buoy his career. A fan base willing to petition to have your role in a drama changed to lead, all while attacking your co-stars because you are the second lead, is nothing to play with. I've already seen many comments blaming his ex-girlfriend. No matter what the patriarchy will always triumph as it is ultimately held up by women.
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za
October 21, 2021 at 7:07 AM
I think only time can tell whether he can really make a comeback. Having to depend on just his fan base might not be enough. He will need backing of a PD, writer, Co stars to support him too. His agency has not been very helpful thus far. He had clout back when he had that "good boy" image. Now that he has been exposed, it might be a different situation.
But more importantly, how is his mental state? Shouldn't people be more worried about that?
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lynnB
October 21, 2021 at 5:09 PM
I am making the assumption of his comeback based on previous male actor scandals. I am currently watching a kdrama where one of the prominent male actors was convicted of prostitution of a minor. He is still back on my screen. He was not as beloved as this actor. He may have to take a break. But public sentiment is the strongest factor in a comeback. If the public (in this case it includes international fans) wants you (and the #protectkimseonho is indicative of this), then that is enough to get a PD, Writer and Network to work with you. At the end of the day this is a business. The bottom line is whether you can get ROI on an actor. Viewers decide whether an actor is profitable. Male korean actors who were less marketable were able to overcome rape charges so abusive coercion is nothing.
As for his mental health, I don't have a parasocial relationship with him so its not on my list of worries. His fans seem to be providing a lot of support in that regard. The hashtag has been trending on twitter, with lots of encouraging comments (including hope that his name is "cleared"), and comments attacking his ex for ruining his career. His Netizens are a powerful group. His career was stalling until he got their support for his role in StartUp. Many of them see him as someone to be protected and they are putting their collective weight behind that.
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alasecond
October 21, 2021 at 10:15 AM
they don't earn like normal people..
if you cash big on image, then you get punished big as well..
high risk high return
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5 Jezz
October 20, 2021 at 7:33 PM
Whoops... @stroopwafel forgot to add two more upcoming film Kim Sun-ho projects that will either confirm/remove it or not: Dog Days and Sad Tropics
As for upcoming film Sad Tropics, Go Ara was reportedly in talks for confirming a female lead when this movie's former(?)/original male lead actor Kim Sun-ho issued an apology. That's possible coincidental. I hope to find the best male lead actor that replaced Kim Sun-ho.
Also, this article forgot about the details on Miss A about death threats to Kim Sun-ho and of course, a status on Kim Sun-ho's mental health that broke his own tears during 2D1N last November 2020.
So here's an excerpt from the rare featured article that found on Hello Kpop about his status on mental health aside from his own beautiful drawing: https://www.hellokpop.com/featured/did-you-know-that-kim-seon-ho-is-deemed-idol-in-koreas-theater-world-has-a-drama-kissing-scene-with-over-11-million-views/
On Kim Sun-ho's rising popularity fame before the recent scandal, he achieved on K-dramas Start-Up and recently-concluded Hometown Cha-Cha-Cha.
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akikisetsu
October 20, 2021 at 7:51 PM
Personally, the most shocking was the part on badmouthing the staff, production, casts, writer and PD of his shows, not sure if this is for both drama and variety.
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Jh65
October 20, 2021 at 11:16 PM
In a way, badmouthing people he worked with is more detrimental to his professional life than the abortion. Which director or writer would want to cast him? And the arrogance of him to think all female leads fell for him. Yuck. I am wondering what Suzy, Nam Joo Hyuk, Shin Min Ah, Moon are thinking right now. "Was it me he trashed??"
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Vincy
October 21, 2021 at 2:03 AM
But who hasn't badmouthed a colleague? I'm not condoning his behaviour re abortion, but seriously, if you haven't done badmouthed a colleague after a long day of work, you're a bloody saint and I commend you.
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knewbie
October 21, 2021 at 2:17 AM
I've certainly badmouthed some of my colleagues. But if I start getting a reputation for doing so, and especially if the people I've badmouthed are well-regarded, I'm sure my career will suffer too. And that seems pretty fair to me.
mmmmm
October 21, 2021 at 6:11 AM
I actually think it isn't supposed to come out of the mouth of a person who once was "in love" with him. This accusation, which I think most people in the world does on a daily basis for various reasons, will probably turn people away from him in the industry. It is the accusation that kills a person alive. You can't deny it, yet it makes you a disgusting person all of a sudden. It leaves no room to fight back. For me, this allegation is very cruel when being exposed in the society that highly values respect and its hierarchical structure.
akikisetsu
October 21, 2021 at 10:25 AM
Believe me, I have. But then again Kim Sun-Ho took the praising up a notch, he has been consistently hyping up the 1N2D staff and production. It is not an interview, where you really have less option but to wax praises. I had issues with Micromanagers and company culture, hence just like us he can have opinions on production, PD and writers. But then again him judging his costars looks and visuals, just reflects badl.
Anonymous
October 21, 2021 at 1:57 PM
I agree with mmmmm. It looks like she was determined to make it almost impossible for him to ever recover from this.
soulsearch12
October 21, 2021 at 11:29 PM
Makes me think of a Western Celeb: Paul Bettany (Jarvis/Vision in Marvel films). This guy flat out denied a TV show b/c the FL was not that attractive to work with (Lizzy Caplan was the FL in question). And in the Johnny Depp texts leaks, he gleefully said he would help with growing Amber Heard/other disturbing sh!t. Yet his career is totally fine. I feel because this is Korea where badmouthing veterans/people you worked with is looked heavily down upon, doesn't help his case. Look, I'm sure many celebs have talked crap about their co-stars/looks/etc in private. But given how hurt she was to see him profit/grow even bigger w/ a fake image only made her angrier. Thus, she included those tidbits to further put the nail in the coffin.
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amruta1009
October 22, 2021 at 1:02 PM
Good then he got what he deserved. I am sorry @mmmmm but I don't think he deserves any kind of consideration from her. I am more worried about her mental health. Why is everyone even bringing that up. If it was about someone loosing their reputation solely based on badmouthing people then that would be different. I just think this distracts from the wrong done by him.
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Jezz
October 20, 2021 at 7:53 PM
There's another article (from January 2021) that I found:
https://www.soompi.com/article/1449217wpp/moon-ga-young-reportedly-starring-in-new-fantasy-romance-drama
Kim Sun-ho possibly star with Moon Ga-young in yet-to-be upcoming TvN drama (possibly in 2022 or 2023?) Link so Kim Sun-ho should be replace by another actor.
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vv
October 21, 2021 at 12:27 AM
KSH had rejected this drama to do HTCCC, though there was no official confirmation of that. But it is the same role that was offered to Lee JunKi later and which he declined as well. Currently it has been offered to Yeo JinGoo.
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6 Chubbysocks
October 20, 2021 at 7:48 PM
I hate men like that, they date, they have sex, but when it comes to responsibility they run, it is especially sad that he made her abort the child for the sake of his career and then left her, poor woman, he probably already was planning to leave her when asking her to get rid of the baby not to be tied to her.
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latebloomer
October 21, 2021 at 10:10 AM
It's hard to see how any man could be forcing any woman in a modern country to have an abortion. This woman had to make her own decision, and she could have kept the child against his wishes. No matter how much he carried on about his contracts and penalties and the future he might have with her, she could have put the child first. She may have been treated badly, but she's not entirely a victim. She made her own decisions.
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Lixie
October 21, 2021 at 11:07 AM
Sure, Korea is such an easy place to be a single mom, she must have forgotten that.
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Chubbysocks
October 21, 2021 at 11:50 AM
Yes, he didn't force her, but he manupulated her to make an abortion, saying he loves her and wants to marry her, but later, as soon as she aborted the child, he left her. It was her decision, but she made it as she loved him and trusted his words. At least that's how I see it, of course, she was stupid to believe him in the first place, what man that loves you would ask you to abort the child?
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Anonymous
October 21, 2021 at 2:02 PM
Such a poor sweet (37 year old) summer child. Let's not forget that she was willing to make that deal.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
October 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM
It's not a deal, it's not transactional.
She got pregnant and said "let's have this baby." He said, "if we have it now it'll affect my career so let's have an abortion then get married and have children then." And though she wasn't happy about it she agreed to it thinking they were planning a life together. Then he ghosted her. He manipulated her, abused her and then tossed her aside like trash.
Look, I have real issues with celebrity culture. These people are just human beings who can entertain us. The idea that we know them or that they're someone to look up to or that they're supposed to behave like paragons of virtue is nonsense. We don't know them. They literally pretend to be something they're not for a living. So I have little time for the average 'scandal' and the way that disappointed fandom equates being rude to somebody on set with bullying with infidelity with abuse with drug use with actual rape as though they're equal levels of scandal with similar responses.
But it changes nothing about this person being a shit human being. He is a shit human being.
I take more issues with him being allowed to build up a nonsense public image that people bought into than with the revelation that he's actually a bit shit. But it changes nothing about him being shit.
7 shichybot
October 20, 2021 at 7:49 PM
I actually have a theory about what happened because the timing is uncanny. It's right after Homcha when some people haven't even watched/processed it yet!
So I think ex-gf got triggered when watching Du-shik in a wedding scene...holidng a baby (although not his)... and enjoying domestic bliss. She probably flew into a rage thinking that could have been her life, you know? So she got drunk and anonymously posted on the forum all that had happened, vomiting every sordid detail that Seon Ho did. And I think this is true because based on the apology she posted after his statement, she didn't even THINK of the way this would bomb his career!
It's show mimicking life or vise versa. And since it's come to that, I suggest Seonho should move to a rural seaside town where nobody knows him or doesn't care about his past... and just start doing odd jobs.
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chibi8535
October 20, 2021 at 11:33 PM
Sounds like an excellent idea for a script! *nervous laughter*
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emsel
October 21, 2021 at 12:31 AM
+1
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RainbowLynn
October 21, 2021 at 2:25 AM
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How many Oppas ❤️ are too many 🤔
October 21, 2021 at 12:09 PM
this is going to be the best way if happens.. Hong Banjang to Kim Banjang.
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Anonymous
October 21, 2021 at 2:04 PM
I think you are a very kind person to think this way! I hope you are right!
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8 Bob
October 20, 2021 at 8:32 PM
Its horrifying how ex girlfriends can assassinate the careers of their ex-s on a whim.
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Kimberly
October 20, 2021 at 11:04 PM
She absolutely has the right to share publicly what terrible things he has done to her. It was courageous of her to reveal the abusive and manipulative side of him. More abused women should come forward like her. If he had treated her with respect and dignity, she would have not came forward and displayed his dirty laundry. He made his bed and deserves what falls upon him. Good riddance.
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amruta1009
October 21, 2021 at 4:16 AM
Exactly than you Kimberly. I am disgusted people using the excuse to absolve him and shift blame on her instead
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Anonymous
October 21, 2021 at 2:18 PM
I 100% agree with you that all people should be able to publicly state their truth. I also believe however that it is important to respect the privacy of things that were told to you in confidence. Whether he talks about his coworkers at home or not, that causes no harm to her, and is disrespectful of her to reveal. And from the things I've read (and I grant you I do not know the whole story), I've heard a lot about ultimatums and empty promises. You may think of those things as abusive and manipulative. I don't know if I agree.
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shichybot
October 21, 2021 at 1:24 AM
I wonder how many men went and apologized to their ex-girlfriends after this s*** hit the fan. 🤭
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miss h
October 21, 2021 at 9:24 AM
I have a feeling there are plenty of other celebs with similar scandals who are nervous but seeing what has happened to this woman, a new movement is probably unlikely.
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Rose
October 21, 2021 at 6:03 AM
It serves him right! Public personalities should think many times before doing this crap. They should be horrified with what the public could do. I’m a fan! I can’t believe I was manipulated believing that he’s a good person. Look at those eyes of his. Can you believe he could pressure a woman to get an abortion?
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hyades
October 21, 2021 at 10:41 AM
Any woman truly "love" her baby would never ever get abortion. I'm a mother too. Once I know I'm pregnant at first time I felt like I can fight the world to keep my baby safe. So her story for being forced to get abortion I cannot believe it at all.
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Rose
October 22, 2021 at 6:59 AM
But did your partner/ husband “pressure”( not forced but coerced) you to have an abortion?Did you have the support of your family and friends when you carried your baby? Are you Korean? Are you a single mother? Just curious. I am of mother too and could never imagine doing harm to my unborn babies. But I have a very supportive husband and from the time we knew we are expecting, it was celebrated. And I have his support and love the whole 9 months until now. If I put myself in her shoes, I think I will feel shit. Will I still choose the baby, of course I will. But I also think this kind of men are “trash” and that I should not spend my money for entertainment on people like him. It’s a waste!
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hyades
October 22, 2021 at 7:30 AM
If my husband asked me to do this, I will leave him immediately. He knows me well. I will not kill pure soul for his sake. I'm conservative Asian woman too but not Korean.
She is 37 year old and successful worker woman. If she want she could support her baby even without him. I’m sure her friends will be by her side. Did she leave him after what he asked? No but she happily did it and stayed with him for 9 months like nothing happened. She preferred ‘his fake promised of marriage according to her claim “ over pure soul. She is not in small age so she could know judge men very well! I found no excuse for her at all for killing her unborn baby. he/she was 7 weeks age so the soul already in his/her tiny body. This is unforgivable.
Lixie
October 21, 2021 at 11:11 AM
It's brave for women to speak up about the abuse from powerful men even knowing that so many will still choose to blame them for daring to tell their story.
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hyades
October 22, 2021 at 7:44 AM
She is not a brave woman. She is greedy woman who thought about her sake only and happily killed her unborn baby and when things didn't go well as she planed, she got a revenge. This is the worst type of woman. If he abused her she will not stay with him for 9 months, crying that he didn't visit her everyday.
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Anonymous
October 21, 2021 at 2:07 PM
Let's not forget that guys do it too. There are entire websites devoted to revenge porn.
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9 bomibeans
October 20, 2021 at 8:39 PM
I'd never abort a fetus, even if the guy promised me billions and stars. Bu I would likely get an abortion if I were in my twenties. The baby-daddy would factor like 1% into my decision, honestly. This sounds like a common-place tale of a naïve woman and a jerk. In Korea, this translates into direct financial repercussions, and there's something that doesn't sit right with me at all about this. I wouldn't discount a woman's agency in this whole mess so quickly, she has indeed undergone a (now) legal medical procedure. Whether she was under extreme duress is up to speculations and online vitriol. He's a good actor and a good entertainer, even if he's a jerk.
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10 Ethics
October 20, 2021 at 8:42 PM
Feel sorry for both of them. Miss A now posted an apology without stating name that she has gotten the person apology n there were misunderstanding on her earlier post that cause instant impact on his career n hurt many people as well. She did not want to upload photos n kako talk stating legal issue. She is right cos it will be naming the person n the other party has the right to sue. Not everything done legally has the right or good outcome as seen some who won did not make a good come back. The worse is putting it out in a media like this. Her 1st post was very detailed ranging from bedroom to his work n fans. It is so well crafted it is to make people distrust him n him losing everything n getting death treats - it is an obsession for him n she is mature lady of 37 years old experience in relationship n media, it makes me wonder, if seon ho had during their relationship saw this n feel uncomfortable. Like he asked her to delete their photos together n kako talk but she instead hide it n he discovers them. It is still 1 sided, Seon Ho explaining anything will look like an excuse n blaming miss A. In a relationship, there are 2 sides of perception. Not siding who but my opinion is drawn from miss a post n seon ho apology for being careless n inconsiderate n to those who like him. I saw seon ho crying a few times in 2d1n last year, i think he has things that make him sad. And recent episode he kept apologising to the horse like sending it away (as din also felt the same), it feels like he is bearing out his pain. Both are to be blame for this mess.
This is afterall a private matter. It will be very hard for seon ho to even get any job or work or go out n likewise for miss a as her action backfire on her. Read some online says her co worker post picture of her drink alcohol (not sure if it is during pregnacy).
Hope both can get healing n move on to be better person n happier.
I had fun watching 2d1n becos of Seon Ho. I will miss him for sure. If he can come back as he is still an excellent actor who is very committed to his craft, i will still watch his show.
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PT
October 26, 2021 at 5:20 AM
I agree. If there has been any 'manipulation' at all, it most definitely is on her part with the original post that she made. If there was any real credibility to her claims, she would have hauled KSH into court and hashed it out there. As for her aborting her 'precious baby' - absolutely DO NOT BELIEVE her. She was not a frightened, insecure, poor 19 year old with no support system. She is even older than Kim Seon Ho, with not only a viable (well, it used to be, anyway) career - she comes from a wealthy family. There are simply too many factors for me to believe that she was manipulated into agreeing to abort the pregnancy if she really, TRULY wanted that child. If anything, she might now be regretting her decision since they are no longer together. Maybe she even realizes now that she aborted the pregnancy to please him, and not because she was really OK with it in the first place. Who knows?!?! The deed has been done now, and SHE will have to live with it, just like he will too. I, too, hope that KSH can make a comeback. Most definitely, I will continue to wish the best for him, and I will continue to watch content that he is a part of.
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11 panshel
October 20, 2021 at 8:54 PM
Knetz are praising the ex-girlfriend for being considerate in waiting until the drama was over to not damage the cast and crew, but in fact, her timing is genius -- expose him when he's at his most popular. The finale's ratings hit 12.665%. He would be receiving love calls for CFs and interviews to celebrate his success. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
He's only apologizing because he got caught. He didn't deny any of the accusations. The baby would've suffered if s/he were brought into this world. His hoobae who pretended to be the baby's father is a saint (watch he turn out to be trash too).
To his fans who think he deserves a second chance, why should the industry promote actors who are (possibly) problematic when there are plenty more where he came from who are unproblematic? These scandals ought to be a wake-up call to every actor that just like how you can become famous overnight, you can lose your fame overnight.
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Gigi
October 20, 2021 at 10:55 PM
He does not deserve a shred of success. You are right there are plenty of hard working , more talented actors who are decent human beings who are deserving of success but have yet to catch a break. It's time to remove trashy people like Kim Seon Ho.
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hyun_beanie
October 21, 2021 at 1:58 AM
And who is going to go around and give these certificates of goodness to people? You and I? What about people like us, should we also be thrown out of our jobs if we misbehave with people in our personal lives, which we all do? Is moral decency (as determined by society) something only celebs have to have? Who will judge us and snatch our success? People just employ these stunts to feel morally superior about themselves.
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amruta1009
October 21, 2021 at 4:20 AM
Again yes all of us makes mistakes. But stop projecting. Whose we? Most of us wouldn't gaslight and manipulate. So yes absolutely morally superior.
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amruta1009
October 21, 2021 at 4:21 AM
Maybe you would idk exposing yourselves lol
knewbie
October 21, 2021 at 4:41 AM
If what they do outside the workplace is deemed to have a negative impact on their work or organisation, ordinary people do get disciplined or fired too. This is all the more true of public figures like politicians and actors, for whom image is a crucial part of their work, yet inextricably linked to their private lives.
Another tricky thing for public figures is that, whereas ordinary people are judged by their employers (and maybe clients etc), celebs are judged by a far more wide-ranging and volatile group of people, including those who vote for them, consume their work, etc. I don't think any actor, especially a Korean one, would be unaware of that.
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hyun_beanie
October 21, 2021 at 5:24 AM
Undoubtedly, actors get judged but the question is should they be judged for their private lives? Politicians should because they govern us. If a politician is stealing money from his brother, we ought to know that because he may steal money from the country. Actors should not be held to the same standard. Their job is to act and entertain. Judging is also something that may be acceptable but firing from jobs is the next level of public punishment. If he has committed a crime, sure the ex girlfriend is entitled to seek justice from the criminal justice system (same for a civil wrong- please go ahead and file for legal damages). This is absolutely ridiculous wherein we expect actors (whose job is to essentially pretend to be another character) to shoulder public morality. If an individual looks up to actors as role models in life, i think the problem is with the individual, not the actor. He is an actor not some moral philosopher or ethicist.
za
October 21, 2021 at 6:33 AM
I think for international viewers outside of Korea, personal standards will be very different. Koreans standards have some similarities to those in Asian countries, I think. As someone who lives in Asia, we used to have almost the same standards in our entertainment industry (in some ways I think we still do) so it's easier for me to understand and relate to. I don't see it as being morally superior to call out someone who walks out of line. Though I am sure not everyone in my country will agree. I'm just saying that this is how things are done. In other work industries, like banks and airlines, for example, it was an understood qualification for job applicants and employees not to have child out of wedlock. And it could be ground for termination. Some find it restrictive. There are other line of work that are not as strict.
knewbie
October 21, 2021 at 8:52 AM
@hyun_beanie With regard to showbiz celebrity, it's not so much about morality as it is about likeability. If consumers of entertainment have the right to ignore or reject an actor for subjective and sometimes trivial reasons (to do with his acting style, voice, looks, etc), then surely they are also entitled to do so because of some instance of bad behaviour on his part. And if sufficiently large numbers of people find reasons to dislike him (a process that is greatly facilitated by the internet), then it would be completely within the rights of the industry and other businesses to deem him a liability and drop him.
hyun_beanie
October 21, 2021 at 11:15 AM
I do not think the fact that companies are within their right to do so is questionable. It might even be a contractual clause that they will terminate it, if the actor is caught in a scandal. However, companies also may fire pregnant women who become a financial liability or an employee with disability. They may have a contractual right to do so and such action may definitely be financially viable for them but that does not mean it is the right thing to do or cannot be questioned morally.
knewbie
October 21, 2021 at 11:34 PM
@hyun_beanie Unfortunately, the world is so completely in the grip of capitalism that people are forced to sign questionable contracts or accede to very poor working conditions just to earn a living. But I really don't think I have the right to compare such people, or the pregnant woman or disabled person that you mention, to Kim Seon-ho and other performers. Not being an arsehole seems a lot easier than not being disabled or pregnant, and the remuneration and rewards for a celeb are disproportionately huge. Now if KSH had been dropped for having a girlfriend or gaining weight or something like that, I'd have defended him to the death.
PT
October 26, 2021 at 4:18 AM
@hyun_beanie - I absolutely agree. Actors should be judged on their ability to entertain and that is it. If they do something wrong, then take them to court. If what they have done is not chargeable by law, then we are in the territory of what is and is not moral. Sure - their actions might be offensive to some. OK - then don't watch them or support them. But making the person have to give up their livelihood based on whether or not they are 'liked' by others - that is just crazy. Further agree that people who look to celebrities as their representative moral compass have a problem. At the end of the day, we are ALL just people. We all have good parts and not so good parts. I am very certain that nearly anybody who has lived on this Earth for a while has at least ONE thing that if publicly known would be an embarrassment for them. This situation should never have become public to begin with. I look forward to this furor dying down, and KSH being able to once more work in the entertainment industry. If I were in the Korean entertainment industry, I would be almost terrified of having a significant other. No one is perfect, and all it takes in South Korea, apparently, is one nasty leak to the press and it is game over. FWIW, KSH handled this situation about as well as it can be. He apologised to the woman and to the public. He did NOT go into detail. Nor should he have. Not only would additional details probably further damage himself, it would most likely reveal further negatives about the woman who firebombed him. But some of the public are behaving like they are "owed" further details, and/or like this one-sided post from the FORMER girlfriend is the 100%, absolute, GOSPEL truth of EVERYTHING that happened. My Heavens, it is like a someone saying that they stole something a while back, and the store clerk was in on it and then the store clerk just AUTOMATICALLY being dismissed based solely on what the thief said, without checking anything. Ridiculous.
knewbie
October 26, 2021 at 5:14 AM
@peachtrotter "Sure - their actions might be offensive to some. OK - then don't watch them or support them"
Therein lies the problem of showbiz: anything that leads to less support for the performer is going to reduce their commercial value. Even if it's true that KSH had persuaded his girlfriend to have an abortion, those who disapprove of it might not necessarily think that he should be dropped from various projects. It's the media companies that are afraid that the fuss will affect viewership and box office.
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12 Wise
October 20, 2021 at 10:18 PM
Something off to me about his apology letter. There is lack of spesific mention in what he did wrong despite lots of accusations by his ex. This part to me seems like he is acknowledging nothing, or at least, no guilt experienced as much as he should if the accusations is true as it said. But at the same time, there is no self defense in his letter. As if he is admitting for everything that is being thrown at him. This part seems like guilt talking. He makes no excuse for what he has done. The apology either insincere, just for the sake of formality, or from the heart. What do you think?
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Babe
October 20, 2021 at 10:49 PM
To me, he would have not apologized to her had she not came out publicly. He is sorry he got caught kind of apology letter. Because she did not take any calls from him since the revelation, he had no choice but to write a generic apology letter in an attempt to coax or calm her down. Remember he sounds like a master of manipulation from the ex's testimony.
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Anonymous
October 21, 2021 at 2:28 PM
I am not a lawyer. But if I were a lawyer, I would counsel him to write a letter expressing remorse and regret for causing distress, admit nothing, and then lay low. I'm not sure it means anything at all. Big bucks are now involved in all of this so I'm guessing it has been taken out of their hands. You notice that her second post, talking about accepting his apology, also referred to her lawyer. Everything that happens from here on out is about PR and liability.
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PT
October 26, 2021 at 4:59 AM
The public will never know. Nor do we have any right to expect anything. This situation should never have been leaked to the public to begin with. In my opinion, had he NOT said anything at ALL, that also would have been fine. The woman stated that what she wanted was an apology. OK. He gave her one. If his apology was "crappy", then so was the way she went about 'asking' for it. Far more than being saddened, disappointed or dismayed by his allegedly requesting that she abort the pregnancy (yes, allegedly, because NONE of us have the full story on who said what, when, how), I am completely REVOLTED by her airing their dirty laundry in public in this manner. In fact, now I am aware that her personal details have been leaked in South Korea, and she is considering legal action against some over zealous twits who have threatened her. I definitely do NOT approve of threatening anyone's safety, even a gutless, vengeful person like her. But I also cannot say that I am overly upset about it, either. Time for all us Netizens to move on so that both she and KSH can get on with their lives.
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13 hyun_beanie
October 20, 2021 at 10:24 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous. You can dig dirt in anyone's life if you look hard enough. As if we have all been saints all our lives. This requirement of moral perfection in private lives is absolutely unreal. It gives everybody the chance to feel morally superior. It looks like the K- media plans these hit jobs once they notice someone's career surge.Very well timed. The girlfriend also did not have issues when KSH was playing second leads and felt the need to go public only when his career was soaring. Happened in Seo Ye Ji's case also wherein just when she was rising, they hit her with some extremely private revelations.
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knewbie
October 21, 2021 at 4:46 AM
I assume the girlfriend was still his girlfriend when he was playing second leads...?
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soulsearch12
October 22, 2021 at 1:50 AM
Yes. She said in the post, that she was with him in early 2020. They were on/off towards the tail end of their relationship, which ended a few months ago. She dated him when he was shooting Start Up, and up until he was beginning to film Hometown Cha Cha Cha.
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Kurama
October 22, 2021 at 2:05 AM
He acted main roles before Start-Up with You Drive Me Crazy (2018), Waikiki 2 (2019) and Catch the Ghost (2019).
Start-Up was almost a regression but the writer was famous.
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14 Babe
October 20, 2021 at 10:39 PM
I am imagining his past co-stars, co-workers, and directors & writers are by now wondering whether they were the ones badmouthed by KHS behind their back. Who was the ugly second leading lady? Or which senior that wasn't all that great? Or which drama he called to have a "stupid" title? Or which director is lunatic? He has made enemies in the industry, thanks to his ex's revelations. No fellow actor would want to act with him in the future, fearing they would be badmouthed. He really reaps what he had sown. Even without the abortion coercion allegation, he is doomed for having bad personality.
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Anonymous
October 21, 2021 at 2:30 PM
That's only true if they think she has more credibility than he does.
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15 chibi8535
October 20, 2021 at 11:27 PM
This is the SECOND time it has happened over the last 3 months, and yes, I'm talking about the 8/13 incident from China. Saying goodbyes to talented individuals you like, is hard. While I had zero allegiance or moral obligations to side with the hate-narrative back then, (because I am not a Chinese), this one puts me in a tough spot because I am a woman, and I know who I should morally side with, and it's certainly not KSH. Still, hurts real bad.
On a related tangent, this puts me in a seriously bad head-space. As an 'involved' party, I wonder just how many of the well-loved public figures (including non-entertainment celebs) are secretly a sad excuse of a human-being. The more objective & rational 'fan' side of me wonders who's going to be on the chopping-block next, and just how many wonderful pieces of work will the public be deprived of, in the future, due to being 'cancelled' by the public.
Is KSH the big-bad villain? I shall refrain from commenting on that, as once again, there is no way for me to know. What little we do know, is the manufactured persona and lies they feed us. [Yes, I'm disillusioned & a tad jaded. Yes, it comes in phases.] But since his worth as a human does not diminish his talent, I will say this- He's a GOOD actor, and I will be sad not to witness the range I know this man is capable of.
That said, I'm going back to being a casual-consumer of Asian entertainment. I am a fragile snowflake, and my heart cannot handle this.
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aida
October 21, 2021 at 2:21 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with the last paragraph. I swear whenever I get more invested in a celebrity, they turn out to be a shitty person 😔
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soulsearch12
October 22, 2021 at 1:53 AM
Oh god, now I'm extremely cautious of any celeb esp. those who front a kind/pure image even more now.
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How many Oppas ❤️ are too many 🤔
October 21, 2021 at 12:20 PM
I feel you and 100% agree to each n every single word.you mentioned.
You won't believe this one year took 2 of my favs so far (Ji Soo n him) and now I literally so scared to check news daily just nervous "who's next on chopping board" (and that's my truth.. am not making it).
I last decade I hv had soo many favs in kdrama entertainment and seeing it crumble like this cause we get to meet bad humans behind those brilliant actors is just heartbreaking.
And I am really scared to even imagine what if al other great actors actress have such dark past.. and things turn out similar way.. how long Kdrama world will survive... (I still hope n pray we don't meet such bad humans again in future).
And being Fragile Snowflake.. let me allow to be one right beside you.. cause I am still not sure how long will it take for me to become normal again.
thanks for this post and summing it up so well.
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soulsearch12
October 21, 2021 at 11:08 PM
Well said btw! You wrote out all the emotions one would have, if they found out one of their favs was a total farce. I think all of the fans of KSH prior to this, were all rooting for this guy to succeed knowing his childhood trauma, his poor background, his theatre roots, & etc. But it really does feel like a gut punch. He really could've aced in Chungmuro, won a slew of Best New Actor prizes and shown us image reversals in those 3 films. The "What ifs" about how his career would've been had he not been an awful person to his ex. He knew this would destroy his career, as this happened 4 months ago!! Just mind boggling, did he not think his ex would've not spoken out?!
I feel like knowing that agencies do block/pay off scandals (big ones obviously not dating ones b/c that's not a scandal like come on) to protect their stars. Of course, dating/breaking up poorly (as in toxic relationship) is their private business. But when thus talents bank off a 180 diff image, that's when it gets murky. Celebs/public figures all have an image they want to present, some are more mysterious, and some are more transparent about it. I do feel, in Korea, stars have to pro take in variety shows/SNS/etc to keep up their image/fanbase which only makes matters worse. I feel lots of actors had personal issues/need attention which is why they chose this path. Even Jo In Sung said he was arrogant in his 20s, so people do change/grow a hot head. But of course, SNS/magnitude of stars have changed since his time. I will say this, if you do hear rumors (that add up/several rumors that are similar) about a certain celeb, well let's just say, when there's smoke, there's fire. In that way, before it get confirmed or evidence leaks, it does better prepare me for what's next. Of course, Korea's defamation lawsuits are very strong, so anons can't allude to or state which celeb they knew growing up was an a-hole/etc. Like for Western celebs :3. Imagine the K version of Deuxmoi, oh boy that surely would be something.
His ex did say the guy she fell for was good in the beginning, but then fame/money/unwarranted attention/more expectations placed on him changed him for the worse. People who want their favs to blow up, I get it, but realize that type of massive fame could change them for bad. I feel for Asian entertainment, its trickier/more shrouded in secrets. But yeah, I feel like there's some skeletons hiding well for a while. They just have $$/NDA's/luck/timing to thank their lucky stars that those are zipped/locked. For a KSH, there's probably several of them sweating rn/trying to pay off/do anything to keep it locked in. Sighs...
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PT
October 26, 2021 at 5:40 AM
Hmmm... well, to each his own. I refrain from putting celebrities on a pedestal. They are just human beings, just like us regular, non-famous people. They just (usually) have a lot more talent in some areas than we do.
Regarding the 'lies' that are pushed to the public - well, any vendor is going to accentuate the positives on whatever good or service they are pushing. So if I am really, TRULY concerned about how wholesome my steak is, then I will personally investigate, inspect and research EVERYTHING about the steer that it was butchered from. Otherwise, I will take some things at face value and leave it at that.
It would help - perhaps - to get more facts on a situation before making a judgement. As you pointed out, none of us public viewers know precisely what happened. Most likely, unless KSH also makes point-by-point commentary on the situation, we never will know the whole truth. At this point we only know what she has stated, and that KSH issued a generic 'I'm sorry' in response. For myself, I think what he has stated is sufficient. This issue should never have been made public to begin with. Anything he says further will only be additional mud slinging.
I find it sad that a single allegation made by someone in an anonymous post could cause others to actually change their perceptions of the targeted person.
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16 vv
October 21, 2021 at 1:16 AM
I think the reason why k-celebs get so scrutinized more than celebs from other countries is because most k-celebs tendency to do variety shows,live shows, etc and not just talk shows like celebs from most countries. They show an unscripted version of themselves which people misunderstand to be their real image. In this case, KSH got the image of a humble, hardworking person who could possibly not do any bad, which I think caused even more damage in this case because people have realised that it is not true. He was the golden boy, literally everyday so many articles kept trending about him because people loved that image.
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aida
October 21, 2021 at 2:18 AM
Exactly. Once the image he's created for himself is broken, I can't imagine how anyone would view his interactions with his co-stars as genuine or good-natured. If I went and watched 2d1n now, I'd probably be wondering whether he's putting up an act the entire time.
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mmmmm
October 21, 2021 at 6:27 AM
And that thing happened to me when I watched ep95 which its subbed version was available in my region yesterday. Worse, I even began questioning all other cast members' persona whether theirs were real or not. My conclusion was that everything was scripted; still, I wanted to "believe" in what the show showed me because I couldn't be invested and have fun with it otherwise. *smh*
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Jingbee
October 21, 2021 at 6:54 AM
There was a line in The Producers, that the character of IU was told that you can't do variety well if it is 100%s false. Yes, I think there are some images that they needed to project but to me, the best funny scenes in 2d1n were the games and challenges anyway, as i dont think the expressions can be faked. As to the rest, I for one dont really believe that they do not eat when losing challenges, but they do have some images that they have been given in the show. But I do not see that as uniquely just 2d1n, saw that in running man, sixth sense and the other shows too.
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soulsearch12
October 22, 2021 at 2:24 AM
Its really sad the more I think about it. When I was a huge fan of his, every encounter, testimony, anecdote that was publicly available all pointed to positive good stories. There was a tweet around 100DMP where he changed out of his hanbok, and into his regular clothes so it would be better to take a pic. I do believe that somewhere in the midst of him gaining more leads/co-leads, and working more in the industry that his focus shifted. He wanted to be like Song Kang Ho, but variety called unexpectedly.
Due to his behavior, any positive testimony is being re-examined and looked at in a different light now. I think he was naive, spacey, at times but I do believe he did love 2D1N as his cushion. What morphed is b/c of fame/fortune/unwarranted attention/agency/team kissing his ass, he started to believe in his own hype, and that he was "God like." It created an inferiority complex, & he started to treat the people who knew him before this change like trash (this is from his ex).
Side question, I never seen an actor who debuted later on screen move up to 2nd ML/ML status and blow up so fast ever. A KSH type of actor was an anomaly, something that rarely happens, as in someone who debuted in their 30s, in their 2nd drama gets 2nd ML status, and ML status. I wonder how much he's feeling like he screwed things up, b/c my goodness, even if he does come back (b/c men/I bet there are people BTS who might help him come back) it'll never be to the height he was before.
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Yn00na
October 21, 2021 at 7:45 AM
Yap agree. K-reality shows give the image of being unscripted and authentic. It makes it easier to think that the personalities we see in that show being a true (or at least close enough) representation of them in real life. I never at once think the Kardashian or any of the house wifes to be what they potray on tv. But i would be absolutely devastated if Yoo Jae Sook or Lee Seung Gi turns out to be morally compromised.
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zzthorn
October 21, 2021 at 7:28 PM
Lee Seung Gi has a team of lawyers who take a zero tolerance policy in netziens making false accusations against him or posting media posts intended to harm his credibility and reputation. They are standing there basically saying, "Don't even try it because we will not stand still and take it."
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PT
October 26, 2021 at 7:48 AM
After observing this, I think Lee Seung Gi is a VERY wise man. This toxic cancel culture in South Korea where a celebrity's career can be destroyed over ANONYMOUS, UNCONFIRMED allegations is CRAZY. So, if that is what it takes, then - Yes. Make it known that ALL legal guns are set to fire at will, so to speak. Sad it is like that. But so be it.
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soulsearch12
October 22, 2021 at 12:10 AM
This is one of the best sentence that sums up the relationship between celeb and persona in Korea! Thank you for putting into words, which I always thought but couldn't articulate well! "I think the reason why k-celebs get so scrutinized more than celebs from other countries is because most k-celebs tendency to do variety shows,live shows, etc and not just talk shows like celebs from most countries. They show an unscripted version of themselves which people misunderstand to be their real image."
100%. That was why I was weary when KSH said he was going to be on 2D1N till forever, I was like "You sure, bro?" Really, seeing talents show up on an appearance every so often for an interview is fine (promo). But a main stay or prolonged guest, helps. I always thought the stars who rarely did much promo/variety was smart, b/c it creates this mysterious image for them w/o much knowledge of their public personas. I will also add CFs play a lot to it too. They've these clauses where if you date/cut your hair/dress a certain way, you have to pay penalty fees or get cut. CFs do show the popularity of the stars, but knowing how much is too much is a good thing. Of course, money wise, its a good deal. Honestly, Korea's para-social relationship, higher expectations for them to showcase these so called public persona, and more secrecy on their talents really undermines them. I always thought that in these variety appearances/interviews, it was so shallow b/c all they would ask is "Whose your ideal type?", "Whose your celeb crush," "Do you think your attractive (like no sh!t lol)?" and not on their process or a chance for them to get down and loose either. I wish these stars could let loose, like Graham Norton does. Plus, interviews w/ them are 30 minutes to 1 hr long, like why are they so LONG?! Do we really need to give them that much time, no offense? I notice Chungmuro talents rarely or don't give any interviews (now I see why), its usually the drama talents who have to put up a facade more b/c dramas depend on popularity/CFs/coverage.
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dramalover4ever
October 22, 2021 at 2:41 AM
Great call for Graham Norton. I recently watched the episode when he had BTS on.
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17 Scottie
October 21, 2021 at 3:29 AM
If somebody is going to the court of public opinion with such issues, I feel manipulated and used. That is something I do not like and I rather stay out of it.
What it does highlight very much is the pressure these celebrities are under to maintain a perfect image. I am sure it is in the contracts with advertisers and the agencies. The money question as well. It was shown a little on the drama Imitation that it is the agencies and managers creating a K-pop star who get the money and the 'stars' seem to have to pay off debt for years. It would be a brave producer and director who would make a drama about this, but why would they, they are part of the system.
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Duktor
October 22, 2021 at 1:28 PM
You get a glimpse, albeit tiny, in The King of Dramas. I wasn't naïve before it, but it certainly helped me watch KEnt with completely different eyes.
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18 Kafiyah Bello
October 21, 2021 at 4:39 AM
Unfortunately for him, the accusations against him are more akin to Ji Soo than Kim Min Gwi, who was railroaded for everyday relationship issues. The accusations against KSH are horrifying and creepy. He also doesn't deny them, but that could come later I guess. Be better folks, be better.
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19 jino
October 21, 2021 at 5:29 AM
Yesterday, it was disheartening to read his apology, never thought that he could be such trash by manipulating the ex gf to do the abortion. However, today, after reading the additional statement of the ex, I would say she is manipulative too.
"I think there were some parts that were a misunderstanding." is not what I expect her to say after witnessing how that 'misunderstanding' resulted in such damage. She should have predicted the consequence of her post, therefore, saying "I feel bad seeing him collapse in an instant due to what I wrote, part of which was very strong" is extremely deceitful. No, she can't say that as a person who had worked in the broadcasting industry for 10 years.
And, to release the post in the final episode of the drama is pretty calculative too. This is revenge at the nuclear level. By adding the bad-mouthing part, she knew what she was doing. She is not an innocent person as the image she tries to deliver in her latest statement.
Neither of them is a saint.
Also, with whom do we usually badmouth about other people? I'll do that with people close to me, my family, my bestfriend, or my boyfriend. And to think that this can be used as a weapon when we are in a conflict is just disheartening too.
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jino
October 21, 2021 at 5:32 AM
https://www.soompi.com/article/1494553wpp/kim-seon-hos-ex-announces-legal-action-against-death-threats-and-invasions-of-privacy-posts-addition-to-her-statement
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Orientedstar
October 21, 2021 at 6:33 AM
Yes I strongly agree about the badmouthing part. You share these things with your partner. Its almost akin to a punishment/revenge by sharing these things outside. I'm not commenting on the abortion part. That's pretty horrible. And I'm not even a fan of kim sunho. I actually did'nt like him in start up. Just started warming upto him in hccc.
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mmmmm
October 21, 2021 at 7:33 AM
You are absolutely right on the badmouthing part. In a society such as SK, I will be shocked if anyone still wants to work with him. And can anyone deny that allegation? I don't think so. It's really a cruel thing to say about another person because there is no way to fight back and can make such person immediately unlikeable. I guess she really hates him that's all I can say.
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Miky
October 21, 2021 at 12:40 PM
She knew very well what will happen after she uploads that statement so her saying after she didn't is lying at it's best so her coming off as naive doesn't work even more considering her age and profession...
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20 Kurama
October 21, 2021 at 5:46 AM
I don't agree with people publishing their private life like this.
They'r both adult, around the same age, in the televisual world.
Either she sues him for something, either she adresses their issues in a private way. But she let the public be a part of that, asking to take side when we will never know what really happened between them.
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Mandy
October 21, 2021 at 7:44 AM
But we do know the bare facts. She said it and he admitted it. So I’m not sure “we will never know what really happened” is accurate. What we know is enough to condemn him for many. And he hasn’t denied those. If they weren’t accurately stated, he would’ve said something because who doesn’t try to salvage their career?
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Kurama
October 21, 2021 at 7:55 AM
He didn't admit. He apologized for hurting her... So it says nothing. Sometimes, one party prefers not making things public like Ahn Jae-Hyeon when Ku Hye-Sun was very open about what happened according to her (honestly it was awful and I was hoping people would have learnt from that...)
They dated, she got pregnant and had an abortion, they broke up. The why, how, etc. we will never know.
Maybe she's right and he's a jerk, maybe she's angry and wanted revenge, maybe it's between the 2.
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Mandy
October 21, 2021 at 9:36 AM
Maybe it’s no longer between the two when someone is a celebrity. Or maybe it’s no longer between the two when one - irrelevant on their age or celeb status - doesn’t want it to remain between the two.
The fact here, is that it’s her choice to go through social media. What you or I think of what she should have done is irrelevant. There are countless of regular people who air their dirty laundry on social media. I see it daily on Facebook. On Twitter. Or Reddit. Should they not do it? Maybe. But there is an outlet.
Maybe celebs shouldn’t do things that make them susceptible to such posts. If he wasn’t a jerk, this wouldn’t have caused his downfall and he could’ve sued. He didn’t. So some might stick to “we don’t really know” but we can say that about every situation in the world 🤷🏻♀️
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thimble
October 22, 2021 at 2:25 PM
Thank you Kurama for your adult and cool-headed opinion.
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21 mmmmm
October 21, 2021 at 6:24 AM
What happens in a relationship is a very private issue. Now that I've become older, I've learnt not to speculate anything or make any kind of judgement. It's not because I shouldn't do so, but it is simply because I can't. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, and it is simply impossible to think about what they should have done instead of what they did.
What I have learnt from all of this is that to like a public persona more than their acting abilities/ their talents has its consequences. In this case, I believed that he was a good boy based on everything I saw on the media. That was why I felt shocked and saddened by this turn of event. I won't go to blame him for everything that he did because everyone has the parts/past that they don't want to show it to the world, but the good boy image is shattered and destroyed. I think I'll be fine without having to see him in the media for some time.
Some of the allegations don't sound right to me because such allegations are what normal human beings do, but some hit me quite hard. What made me feel terribly bad is the promise of marriage upon aborting a child. What the promise was also a false promise, I don't think I can support him any further.
Bye EX-BB.
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yongsital 🐧 ❄️
October 21, 2021 at 7:30 AM
At this point, it is what it is M and I think the best thing to do is put this behind us. I'll stop reading any more articles or news about it because there's no point in dwelling on it anymore. We can still enjoy our kdramas though so distract yourself with that. 💛
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mmmmm
October 21, 2021 at 7:36 AM
Yes, you're right yongsital. It is what it is.
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amruta1009
October 21, 2021 at 12:46 PM
Um I am not sure what he did is a small enough transgression to think that way. He obviously manipulated her and it's not that he denied it.
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22 Mandy
October 21, 2021 at 7:35 AM
I’m no longer surprised by celebs turning out to be rotten apples. But somehow, it almost always baffles me how the fans fight for them anyway - like their lives depend upon their “good boy” being actually good. It’s completely ridiculous. When someone obviously has done something disgusting and when they’ve literally admitted to it - where is the room for arguments?! IMO, he deserves to be kicked out of his projects. But even if others think he’s not, what exactly is fuelling anyone to start hashtags saying #protectKSH or some such BS?
It never fails to make me laugh and think of 🤡
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za
October 21, 2021 at 8:34 AM
His fans may be doing him more harm than good at this point with the way they're behaving. I remember reading about something they did that got out of hand from Start Up war with the ML. Those behavior will scare the heck out of any PD, writer and co star. Who'd want to get caught up with that kind of mess?
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23 welh
October 21, 2021 at 7:56 AM
I was going to post this in tomorrow's OT, but here is more appropriate discussion page.
You can never fully trust what a celebrity is really like. The latest crash-and-burn example is actor Kim Seon-ho, who just recently jumped to his first lead roles, only to be taken down by his alleged bad behavior.
It may not be the only quick pandemic romance that goes sour. In 2020 when people were locked down, isolated, feeling lonely, stressed out about health, depressed and out of normal work, some people sought out the company of one other person to fill a huge void. The support was probably both emotional and financial. Two people in their mid 30s connected during the height of the pandemic, then change with an unwanted pregnancy to accusations of gaslighting, manipulation and fraud to induce an abortion. Then he broke up with her while trying to erase evidence of their relationship just as his career started to boom.
His agency back loaded his soon to be ending contract with 10 CFS, 3 movie deals and another television series. Now, KSH faces millions in CF termination morality clause penalties and voided entertainment contracts. The agency was slow to react but rumors started to spread that the ex was “problematic.” The real problem is that she was a credible, known person in the television industry. Sponsors dropped him as fast as I have ever seen. But in true parasocial fandom, his followers began to attack his ex-girlfriend with malicious comments and death threats. He never denied the horrible allegations and she never retracted any of her allegations.
One can see the betrayal to a woman who supported the actor just before he hit it big to be dumped by him once he got rich and famous. And some could see the revenge motivation to make private matters public. But when the industry puts its stars on perfect pedestals of purity, morality and honor, the ramifications for failure is severe and extreme. Fans may want their fantasy couples have real relationships, but reality has more ramifications than a drama script.
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24 hacja
October 21, 2021 at 9:50 AM
This is a very sad story, that at best reveals an unprincipled actor, panicked that his career would be derailed by a child out of marriage, and a vengeful lover, probably as angry over being dumped as being urged to have an abortion.
But in order to soften the harsh reality, this does need to be turned into a K-Drama Romance. The series opens with Actor K and Ms. A playing as very young children. She says "we will marry and have 2 children" he smiles and agrees. Actor K and his family move away while he's young. Flash forward 20 years. Actor K's career is on the rise, aided by his college friend, Agent L. Ms. A is working as a waitress, but with fashion design aspirations. Her friend is the restaurant manager, Manager B. Actor K comes to the restaurant with Agent L. The connection between Ms. A and Actor K is immediate, probably a result of the dimly remembered childhood scene. But this attraction between Actor K and Ms.A dismays Agent L, who wants what is best for his friend and thinks Ms. A is gold-digging. Actor K and Ms. A begin a secretive affair, which results in the ill-fated night of passion and pregnancy. Upon learning of her condition, Ms. A goes to see Actor K, but he is away filming, and she is intercepted by Agent L. She confesses her pregnancy and he tells her that what is best for Actor K is that she have an abortion and never sees him again. When Agent L tells actor K what he did, several months later, he desperately tries to contact Ms. A, but is thwarted by Manager B, who blames Actor K for destroying her friends happiness. This episode ends with an awkward public apology from Actor K, which he issues while sobbing in his room. Meanwhile, Ms. A is sobbing separately in her room only a few miles away. The first phase of the show culminates when Manager B and Ms. A are watching actor K's new hit drama, and he says that he wants 2 kids. This triggers something in Ms. A, and she starts sobbing again. Manager B, enraged for her friend, urges Ms. A to write on social media. The furor destroys Actor K's career, and the threats to Ms. A force her flee to America.
5 years later, actor K has taken an assumed name and cut off all ties even to his friend and is working far from the big city lights in a provincial plant nursery. He has become skilled at nursing seedlings into beautiful flowers and trees. Meanwhile, Ms. A has had her big career break in Los Angeles, where she's become a world renowned fashion designer to the Hollywood stars. Manager B is now the CEO of a successful restaurant chain; Agent L heads a large talent agency. These two meet at one of Manager B's restaurants, and the chemistry is immediate. They begin to date.
Ms. A comes back to Korea to outfit stars for the latest K-Drama, which will be a huge hit, but she needs flowers for her model shoot. She goes to former actor K's nursery and is shocked to meet him there. She begins angry recriminations, but is mollified when he...
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alasecond
October 21, 2021 at 4:52 PM
well this is very close to that film with jang ki young and chae soo bin and krystal :)
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25 hyades
October 21, 2021 at 10:23 AM
The internet world is really scary. When I looked to this scandal, I saw thousands of comments judging KSH just from one post. People lives are too complex. We do not know about their lives. You cannot judge who is good or evil in relationship from single post. What if he posted first that his ex-gf said that didn't want his child! in this case people will believe him and will attack her instead.
Adult private life cannot be exposed in this way. Every couples have their problems but "decent" man/woman will not use the internet to attack his partner or his/her ex. If I have problem with my husband I will not go to his work and make a trouble to expose him in front of his co-workers. His ex-gf wanted to get revenge and destroy him and she amazingly did this in less than 24 hours! does she won? never, because revenge got her as well and people reveal more about her life and this will affect both her personal and work life.
I saw many of my closed friends broke up, or got divorce or have big fight with their ex's but they never mentioned anything about their ex's private lives in front of me, why? because We ARE ADULT.
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Ethics
October 21, 2021 at 8:01 PM
I agree with your view. Come to think of it, they could have discuss about the baby n conclude that during pandemic, he is not certain of his finance, as she said in her post, he proposes after abortion, they can live together for 2 years then get married. The difference is this living together for 2 years. Why agree to this as she is a 37 years old not 20. My reasoning could be that they want to see if they can live together before committing to a marriage. In this case, they are not sure. If he so scare of people finding out about them like what she said, living together is not better than dating. A girl of her age will straight away know this is not a marriage committment n why she still stay with him if he is such a jerk boyfriend. And she mention kim yong dun case, she could have done the same. Why not n why now n even more so the words she uses is extremely negative about him n painted herself blameless which gives me the doubt.
From what i understand from people who had abortion, it affected the person n probably she has become more demanding as she had posted that he is seeing her once a week, not understanding that he himself was surprise of the positive response to his start up role n was busy with cf, drama n preparing for his stage play n doing internet fan meeting. It felt that the prenancy was not plan n he is caught by it to say careless words, his carelessness can be seen in 2d1n. And it is likely that the worse came out of them that he decided to breakoff.
Many people who worked with him says he is a nice guy, a good person. I believe so as he has been like this for since 10 plus years, people can smell a fake especially they are also actors n pd. Seon Ho has his cute side not street smart guy n with good intention but i do see he is not perfect.
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hyades
October 21, 2021 at 9:12 PM
I agree and this is another point; she is 37 year-old. I was really surprised when I read her age. She is almost 40 and behaved like 21 and used the internet to say bad things about her ex’s.
Also, as woman, all we think about settling down in our mid of 30’s, not try dating and living together. She is crying over why he did not married her not over her child. To me as a mother, this is disgusting especially she the one agreed to kill the baby. So why does she using the baby that she killed!!!
She said for example he’s badmouthing others. OK, he is your boyfriend after all. It is normally he would speak without any fear in front of you and say his opinion about some people who met. We all do this after get back from work when we meet strange people or our boss asked us to work extra hours. Her words his showing me how childish she are. She simply couldn’t move forwards after the breaking up but people taking her words as fact which is really scary.
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Ethics
October 22, 2021 at 1:02 AM
Exactly, we all talk about others it's be cos of frustration n we say to people we trust. She had posted 2nd time accepting Seon Ho apology n say there were misunderstanding in her 1st post n she did not know her 1st post will destroy Seon Ho to such extent n feel bad. She is 37 years old n well verse in jounalism does not know that. She has now taken down her post. She is hurt but choose to destroy him n in turn hurt herself further n hurt all the good memories they had. Hope there be healing for them n learn lesson from this. Seon Ho is an excellent actor n i will watch his show if he can come back.
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Ethics
October 22, 2021 at 6:58 AM
What i meant was both share the responsibility of conception n abortion. Not that both agree to abort is right, both are wrong n she has made it that he is to be blame.
Now that she got her apology she wanted but is it really her aim. My feel is her ultimate aim is using the public to finish him off.
hyades
October 22, 2021 at 7:10 AM
Exactly, it seems his huge success got her nerve and she wanted to destroy him. unfortunately, she made it but she didn't think that also will destroy her especially she is working in the same industry. No one will trust her anymore because work always based on relation and trust.
PT
October 26, 2021 at 3:19 AM
I agree. She is not some young teenager or mentally challenged. She is a grown woman. Her aim was to destroy his career, and it looks like she may well have done just that. She chose to have an abortion in order to keep the man. That "deal" did not work out, so now she acted out in revenge. This should NEVER have become public knowledge; this is something PRIVATE between the two of them. She showed who and what she really is as a person when she chose to make their situation public. Her underhanded move disgusts me MORE than whether or not KSH asked her to abort the pregnancy. The public will never know what actually happened and what the original motivations were in their relationship. Nor SHOULD we! It was THEIR PRIVATE business, and it should have remained that way. This makes me BOILING angry: KSH has slaved away for more than 10 years, and now that he FINALLY was catching a break and making significant advances in his career, this ONE, VINDICTIVE, GUTLESS person leaks a poison pen note on the Internet and all but wipes out all the man's efforts. SHE should be the one to crawl under a rock and STAY there, not him. Whatever sympathy I might have had for her being rejected and agreeing to an abortion to satisfy his request (IF, indeed, that was ACTUALLY the situation - again, WHO KNOWS?!?) - all those feelings and the benefit of the doubt are washed out by her incredibly cruel act. I hope KSH can overcome this ultimately. No one should have their livelihood taken away because of a vengeful FORMER lover.
Beverly
October 22, 2021 at 4:21 AM
And do you blame him as much or more for choosing $800,000 dollars instead of the baby? Or chose fame over the child? Or that it was his idea?
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hyades
October 22, 2021 at 5:21 AM
For killing his own baby, he is mistaken and a trashy person. There is no doubt on this. We are not defend him here. Nothing is more important than baby life (at least in my point of view). However, she just used the baby for her sake after breaking up. She stayed with him around 9 months after this incident like she didn't care for what she did with him. She made a big mess in many people lives with her post and now she simply said I accepted his apology and we had misunderstanding. Both of you wrong, you cannot say I killed a baby in agreement with him and now we are clear!
But again why does she discuss her private matter in the internet. She is not a victim. She is bad as much as he.
26 kakakash
October 21, 2021 at 10:47 AM
I can see that most commenters are intent content researchers, seers, and experts on individuals’ personal lives to not only judge them by their personal activities, but to know in detail all facts of events which transpired in individuals’ lives from public statements and tabloid news. You go internet, you shining. You my insperashun.
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