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The King’s Affection: Episodes 11-12 Open Thread

We’ve reached a turning point in our story, the stakes and emotions at an all-time high. It gets harder for our prince to hold herself back, and she makes one decision that changes everything. Her life starts to crumble around her, but her royal tutor remains as her one constant, determined to keep the pieces together.


EPISODES 11-12 WEECAP

I didn’t think I’d enjoy this week’s episodes, knowing our ill-fated couple would be apart for the majority of the time. But boy, was I wrong — I absolutely loved what we got this week, and not just with the romance.

Our prince and her (now former) royal tutor do spend some time apart, her stuck in her prison of a palace and him starting a new clinic in the countryside. They miss each other terribly, while Hyun, bless his soul, plays messenger and lets both know that the other is doing okay.

I like that our couple actually tries to move on with their lives and that they really only allow themselves to feel their pain in small doses. Dam-yi spends time in their secret love nest, and Ji-woon imagines her by his side, telling her how much he wants to hold her and be with her.

As if heartache wasn’t enough, Dam-yi has other things to deal with. Before Ji-woon left the palace, Prince Changwoon caught him talking with So-eun and informed the royal court. The queen dowager found it unacceptable for a princess candidate to harbor feelings for someone else and demanded to have her taken out of the running.

However, Prince Changwoon doesn’t want the punishment to end there. He uses this situation as an excuse to punish So-eun’s maid, who’d gotten on his nerves before. He ends up killing the poor maid, for no good reason. Dam-yi’s held herself back when it came to her uncle, but this time, she doesn’t want to. She’s done with him.

Dam-yi gets the necessary evidence to sentence Prince Changwoon, his punishment being to kneel before the maid’s grave and beg for forgiveness. It’s either that or death, so he has no choice but to do so.

Everyone is appalled that Dam-yi messed with the class system and had a royal family member grovel for a lowly servant. But that’s just the beginning. Soon after, Prince Changwoon is found dead, having committed suicide from the shame. It’s Hyun’s older brother Prince Wonsan that finds the body, and he’s a little too happy about it.

To Hyun’s horror, his brother gathers the scholars to protest for Dam-yi’s dismissal from the palace. Ignoring Hyun’s pleas to stop, Prince Wonsan says that the royal title was theirs to begin with. Ugh, seriously? We have enough terrible people in the palace, and now we have to worry about you too?

The one good thing that comes out of this is how Dam-yi’s inner circle reacts. Eunuch Hong and Court Lady Kim, of course, support her. Ji-woon hears about what’s happened and makes his way back to Hanyang. And Hyun, scared for Dam-yi’s life, feels that it’s time to come clean.

Hyun gifts Dam-yi a beautiful pair of women’s shoes, revealing that he’s known her secret all this time. He urges her to run away, and she’s, of course, speechless. She sits in her room that night, until she gives in to temptation, lets down her hair and tries on the shoes. She has a quiet moment to herself, as a woman… when she hears someone at the door. Her father. He saw her.

Oh, he didn’t just see her. He knows. The king tells Dam-yi that he’s actually known her secret for years! (And I pause to exclaim WHAT. WHAAAAT.) It turns out that on the night her mother died, he overheard her mother calling her “my daughter.” I didn’t see this coming, but it totally makes sense, looking back on the king’s behavior around Dam-yi.

The scenes between Dam-yi and her father have always been tense, but this scene really takes the cake. Park Eun-bin and Lee Pil-mo are so good here, it’s spine-tingling. I can practically hear Dam-yi’s heart cracking as she asks her father if, given the chance to go back, he would make the same decision and abandon her. Near tears, he doesn’t answer and orders her to live her own life — she’s no longer the crown prince.

At this point, I’m like Where is Ji-woon?? I want him to come and hug her, and thankfully, our hero doesn’t disappoint. Ji-woon finds Dam-yi in their garden, more love in his eyes than ever, and tells her that he’s going to stay and protect her, no matter what she says. With that, he leans in and kisses her, and she kisses him back. (This time, I pause to make sounds only a dog could hear.)

Dam-yi is still hesitant to let herself be happy with Ji-woon, telling him to go on without her. But the next day, when Dam-yi officially leaves the palace, she catches Ji-woon following her like the loyal puppy he is. I love her little smile as she says to herself, “He never listens.”

Unbeknownst to Dam-yi, her grandfather and Inspector Jung plot to bring her back to the palace. The king, however, has already enlisted Hyun and Commander Yoon to guide her out safely. Dam-yi is taken to a secret location, where she’s given a gift box containing a lovely hanbok and a goodbye letter from her father.

Wearing her new hanbok, Dam-yi sneaks off onto the next boat out of Hanyang. Inspector Jung and his men almost get to her, but Ji-woon gets to her first and, true to his word, protects her. And he’s sweetly flustered seeing her in her disguise.

Dam-yi starts to tell Ji-woon that she has to confess something (OMG), but Inspector Jung finds them again. The couple run away, but one of the guards manages to strike Dam-yi’s arm with an arrow. Dam-yi grows weak, and Ji-woon carries her the rest of the way to safety.

Tucked away in the woods, Ji-woon sets Dam-yi down and fusses over her wound. But Dam-yi is adamant on finishing what she was trying to say earlier. To his confusion, she removes the top of her hanbok, revealing her cut arm… and her chest. She looks up at him, eyes full of fear, and says, “This is my secret.”

The reason why this romance makes me swoon so much is because Ji-woon fell in love with her 1) not knowing she is actually a woman and 2) not knowing she is his first love. It’s like, no matter what, he was bound to fall hard. But, like @missvictrix, I was getting anxious for him to know. And now that he does, it’s about to get real.

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I think the situation would resolve if the evil grampa realized that his prince is dead, by his own order. Right now he thinks he can kill the king or the young prince and his 'grandson' will naturally inherit the throne.

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Since it seems Hwi is Evil Grandpa’s only route to power, I would not be surprised if he found out and STILL forced Hwi back to the palace to play Puppet King, but with more restrictions than ever before. Basically imprison her and run the country as a regent.

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I think he would too

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Not really,he is the type if found out would eliminate whatever weakness would be to him so she would be dead if he knows...He would indeed try to find another person to put on the tron that would be best for his intrest...

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I don't think he can find another person to put on the throne. His only connection is the twins because he is an outsider. He is related to the royals only by marriage.

King -> 1st inline Dam Yi -> 2nd is the rabbit (Prince Jehyeon) -> 3rd is the tiger, Prince Wonsan, -> 4th is the hawk, Prince Jaeun aka Lee Hyun.
Dam Yi is the only one he is counting on. That's why he is desperate to find her.

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He might do a compromise just to keep his influence or position for that,like a give and take ...Rabbit never had a chance no matter what they think...

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It's possible, but he will have to eliminate a lot of people.
I feel for the Rabbit because he is so innocent.

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I like how you kept the Tutor Choi Man-Dal's descriptions 😂

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It works, that’s how I remember their names and the succession order. 😆

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While my heart swells at the fact that no matter what, Ji-Un was meant to fall for Dam-yi, irrespective of her age (little court maid/ young adult) or gender (woman/ man); my hearts breaks on behalf of Dam-yi, because for all she knows, Ji-Un's in love with her 'twin-brother', the dead Crown-Prince she has been impersonating. Wow, another reason to feel like a fake, I guess?

Ji-Un, our woke, unbothered KING is going to roll with it in the next episode I believe, without blinking an eyelid. I think his biggest emotional outbreak will be once he realizes what a Joseon woman had to go through, for the sake of royalty, patriarchy & family secrets. And he will likely LOSE it, when he discovers the 'fake CP' is NONE OTHER THAN Yeon-Seon, his childhood sweetheart. T_T

Absolutely LOVED the scene b/w Dam-yi and King, who seemed his most (Asian, gruff) Dad-like in all 12 episodes! Oof, I think I may have teared up at the flashbacks of the King seeing his lil girl fighting men twice her size, bloodied and bruised, pretending to be a boy! </3
Would it have killed him to lie to her that he wouldn't have made the same decision, had he been given a choice? -_-"

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I don't think she needs to feel fake about Ji-Woon's love. He never fell in love with the young Crown Prince but her. Then, he met her and only her. It's not her position as Crown Prince that made him fall in love with her, but her personality. She's the Crown Prince, she's only hidding her genre, but in every other aspects, she's the CP.

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We know that as viewers, but does she? I could see that as potential source of future angst. Maybe I should go write some FF! xD

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Nah,it won't happen

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The king did acknowledged that he regretted his decision. But not f2f. In all pandemic style he did so via the letter.

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I dont think jiwoon is in love with her dead twin brother. Crown prince is just a title and hwi is just a name. He loves her as a person as a human. He fell in love with her kindness, her gesture. And she surely knows that he loves her and i dont think that will cause any fakeness or betrayal because just her father for jiwoon she is the crown prince of joseon no matter what.

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Yeah, I mean, we know that, and I hope Dam-yi knows that too, deep down. I wish she discovers soon enough, just how COOL Ji-Un is, as a person! :')
I love when the other-half of the OTP needs to dive-in and assuage some self-doubts, reassuring their partners. And no, it's adorable either way around, irrespective of which gender does the re-assuring! :'D

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Jiwoon is a scholar and more importantly a die hard romantic. I am sure he will find the right words to reassure her of his love.

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"Feel like a fake"? No, I don't think so.

The end of Episode 12 is the moment she embrace her own gender identity (more on my own comment, in #6), and asking him to join her. Now The King's Affection is more then a poppy love story; it is a masterpiece about the question of human dignity.

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I like how the story is consistent.

The grandfather said in early episodes, that he helped the father to be King. So the anger of the cousin is not surprising, he just hid it very well.

The grandfather needs his grandson on the throne to be strong, he just the father of ther late Queen.

So Hwi is stuck between her father who wants to give her his freedom and her grandfather who wants to use her.

Hwi evolved so much since the beginning. She became cold to protect her secret. But Ji-Woon made her realize she couldn't become a good and strong Crown Prince and King, if she doesn't care about people. So, she changed and became more active in her role. Her love for Ji-Woon made her realize she could become someone else outside the Palace for the first time. So she hid her feelings for him.

But Hyun and her father talked about leaving and living her own life far from the Palace. Ji-Woon came back too and he just wants to be with her as a man, woman, Crown Prince or commoner, it has no importance for him. She could be free, finally. But her grandfather won't let this happen :(

The episode had so many wonderful scenes, Hwi with her father or reading his letter, Hwi opening herself her dress and not Ji-Woon discovering the truth when she's unconscious, the kiss scene (youhouhou finally!). Each scene is beautifully filmed.

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The scene with her brother is poignant too. 'You're the only (living) brother I have now.' T_T

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Yeah, I was happy she acknowledged she was mean with him when he did nothing, he was just an instrument like her.

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+1000 on everything you said! haha

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Loved these
1. Him tying the "flowers" on the branches and her collecting them and tying them around her wrist.
2. The King's beautiful gift to her (I was upset that it was so quickly slashed and blood stained).
3. The look in his eyes when he sees her dressed as a woman, but his restraint from commenting
4. The look in his eyes when she unties her top

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i felt the same as you about #2. i was like she just got her first dress in 10 years and u=it ruined! lol

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I SWOONED so hard @1, how did he get so romantic. He's extra handsome and hot wearing the blue headband with the sword on his back. And extra bad ass when he fought w father. I thought it's funny when his dad is like, do you even know what's going on!? And he's like no , I don't care but I know they want to protect the CP haha.

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When she loosened her top, I really like that he looks at her chest just long enough to register what’s going on there, and then right back up at her face.

There was a “transfixed by boobs” possibility there and just like every other time the show has hit one of those scenes, they went classy. Because the important part isn’t the breasts, it’s what Hwi is telling him with this disclosure. So he is looking in exactly the right place for answers.

The scene on the boat was adorable too. First time ever that Hwi’s fully been treated as a woman in her own society? Lots of things suck about being a Joseon woman, but right there she got to experience one of the good bits. And he played it to the hilt, which was adorable.

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He played those moments so well.

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I absolutely loved this week’s episodes. The conversation between the king and Dam yi was lovely. How he tried to protect her in his own discrete ways was something we never saw coming. Also the secret reveal was great!

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This week's episodes were really well done and reminded me of the compelling start to this drama with the child actors. The scenes involving the king were surprising and really well done.

One thing I don't understand is how the grandfather's soldiers arrived at the destination right after Damyi and JW. They weren't on the boat, so...? Whatever. Also thinking bright blue really stands out when hiding in the woods.... OK, whatever. Hoping JW's father does not see this reveal from afar or discover them in this state.

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I enjoyed the child actors too but with one qualification. The child actor playing the younger Jiwoon has a nasal voice and pronounces things very differently to the adult one. I just couldn’t suspend my disbelief that they were depicting the same person.

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"You are the Crown Prince of Joseon, and my only precious daughter."

What the King didn't answer right before his daughter, he answer it in his parting letter to her. He feels shame of his decision all these years ago, he really hopes to turn back the time, and he is making every effort to protect her. The show (along with Jiwoon) setting the bar higher and higher, when Damyi is reading the letter, I've actually forgotten how touching when Jiwoon returns to the palace, hugs and kisses Damyi, and tells her he won't leave no matter what she says (So I'm guessing what "sounds" you are making "only a dog could hear", you don't need to tell me, @sailorjumun, though).

I can guarantee though, that there are more then Hyun and King the father knows Crown Prince is actually a woman all along. Think of her grandfather thinking deep while he is looking at a rouge box, and Ji-woon father having a flashback of him killing "Damyi" all those years ago, wondering if he had killed the wrong person (He did). Both of them have a fundamental difference with Damyi and Jiwoon is they don't value human lives, and they concern only their own (politically, especially) future. This is why Grandfather argue (even before Damyi) that the old cast system must be upheld, and those "low lives" feeling and their right to live are not something you should care about, which is the exactly opposite to Damyi's ideology, which is behind her act of forcing Prince Changwoon her uncle to apologize to Soeun's made, even doing it posthumously. (1 of 2)

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"Lee Hwi" used to be your brother's name, now it morphs into being your name as well."

This is the show's most critical turning point, which raise it from a simple poppy love story into a masterpiece about human dignity*. This question also ties up every aspect of Damyi life: her love of Jiwoon, her being a Crown Prince, and her living her live freely ("I have never lived my own live all these years," she says to her father in the last they are face-to-face).

She will never be free until she fully embraces her true gender identity. Three times in this week's episodes, she is in fear when she knows someone (unwillingly with Hyun and the King, and voluntarily to Jiwoon) know she is actually a woman.

By taking off her top showing Jiwoon her true gender (yet he doesn't know she is his first love yet), she finally sets herself free, and sets foot into a new yet dangerous world. Jiwoon, on the other hand, promised her that he will be with her no matter what she says. Now it is his turn to embrace her real self, to complete her transformation from a cold Crown Prince to be his Lyeonseon (anyone remember this is the name he'd given to her all these years ago?), and together they are changing the world (Damyi being King with Jiwoon on her side will probably the next step the show is going, I guess?). (2 of 2)

*I watched such masterpiece once, when Eugene asks Aeshin after her revolution does slaves and butchers like him have a right to live in Episode 9 in Mr. Sunshine. R.I.P. this Kim Eunseok is long gone.

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Oh, Park Eun-bin, now THAT was acting par excellence, while still looking pretty. I was losing interest a bit for 2 weeks now but glad ep 11- 12 came about. All deeply moving scenes, from Hyun's confession, reunion with Ji-woon, and especially the scenes with the King and her brother. I am also glad that Hyun seems to have accepted that he has no chances and will just continue to protect and help the CP and his friend. Now the next mystery is where is the bodyguard?

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I am pretty sure we are going to see the bodyguard save the day. It is clear that he is the son of the man who was slain 10 years ago, the man the actual crown prince was going to see, leading to his death.

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Hyun continues to score points with me. I'm glad his romantic feelings for Dam-Yi are kept in check. He understands that a relationship with his female cousin is taboo, but his heart can't stop beating for her. I like how he resisted hugging her during the rain scene, but his face shows how he felt.

Gifting Dam-Yi with shoes makes the most sense in this drama. His intention was for her to run away, leave the palace, and from him.

"Behind the Myth: Gift-Giving Myths"
https://gwangjunewsgic.com/arts-culture/korean-myths/behind-the-myth-gift-giving-myths/

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I am with you on this. Thank you for posting the link. I had assumed the red shoes had a significance but beyond it being a heartfelt gift, hadn’t contemplated the possible poignant myth behind it.

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I knew her dad knew. I fond it fascinating that no one asks what happened to the original Prince. The King tried to protect her in the only way he knew,, but it would have been better if he had told her earlier. She lived such a lonely existence. As for JW finding out she is a woman, I assume he will take it in stride, he has been imagining the prince as a woman for sometime now, so this is a non-issue. My question is where is her cousin and servants?

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Yes, it was apparent from the beginning and why he kept his distance, but I was hoping that he knew from a father's intuition and not because he overhead it from his wife. Nevertheless, he did what he thought was best to protect both his children.
I don't think we give him enough credit for balancing his court. Lord Sangheon is ambitious enough to protect Dam Yi and would have easily devoured his little Rabbit (Prince Jehyeon), so he shifted his support to Lord Sangheon.

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Ooops, I meant he shifted his support to Lord Changchun.

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"My question is where is her cousin and servants?"
More likely to the place the King prepared for her after her escape...

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Probably, but where is that, the man tasked with guarding her didn't tell her a place to go, he just said get on the boat. At least they could have met her. She hasn't been far from the palace in decades. It makes no sense to just let her wander.

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But if she accompagnied by the same persons, her disguise would be useless.

I don't think the King thought that her grandfather will be after her like that and so soon.

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That is true and that happens when everyone has a different plan LOL
In this case they think Lord Sangheon is trying to kill her off when it's the opposite...

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Good point, but in this case they would have met her after the boat ride. Presumably, if your theory is right about the King, there is no reason they shouldn't have been there. Who would notice them except the grandfather's men. So my question still stands, where are they?

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I get the King not letting on he knew. He’s the most-watched person in the palace and if only he knows, then he just has to keep an iron grip on his own reactions and emotions. The instant someone else knows he knows, and there’s a possibility of communication - and that is INCREDIBLY dangerous for everyone.

Other than deposing her (which he eventually did, and then only when he thought she could stand on her own two feet and resist her grandfather better), his options were limited. The last ten years would’ve been torment for him, but he probably accepted it as justice for permitting the murder of his daughter.

If it weren’t for evil grandpa, a lot could be very different. A lot of people spend a lot of time and energy evading him.

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I disagree, he could have let her know discreetly after her mother died or while they were visiting her at her sick bed. He could have whispered it to her at any time. He wouldn't have had to tell anyone but her. That is part of protection, letting her at least know she was safe with him.

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He was a coward who never knew how to protect or love his children and can't say i feel that guilty knowing he lived a great part of his life with his guilt and pain...
In a way it was also poignant what he said,he married too early and didn't know what was a family nor how to protect it as he wasn't mature enough for this responsability(emotionally included) so the ones who truly end up suffering were his wife and twins...

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But that's just it - she WASN'T safe with him, and he couldn't protect her at all. Letting her know he was aware of her secret would open up an avenue of unwarranted hope. There are plenty of situations when a child might think it's an emergency, but an adult is aware of a much broader pattern and can't act. You don't tell kids secrets they can't tell for a reason, it's a huge amount of pressure with no escape valve.

None of this is fair, of course. If we're only thinking of Hwi's emotional well-being, of course you'd want her father to tell her that she's safe with her dad. But... she's not. He can't intervene for her in most cases. It was horrible to have to hide from him, but I'd argue it's a more awful thing, to know your parent is aware of your pain but can't help you and is just as powerless himself.

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I understand your point and even agree to a certain extent. However I still disagree. Ha. Knowing her father knew about her and acknowledged her is safety, even fully knowing much like her mother he could do nothing to protect her. Abridging loneliness is a form of safety. Knowing that her father acknowledged her secretly lessens the burden of that loneliness.

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This weeks episodes packed an emotional punch! @loveblossom, you and I called it last week when we speculated that the King knew the prince is a woman. For me, it wasn’t just because the King was not pushing the wedding, but the way he treated the Prince. Even when he was upset with her, (to me) he wasn’t as hard on her as he might have been on a son. Also, sons argue back, daughters cry.
As a daddy’s girl myself, my heart mourned that Prince never experienced the wonderful bond of a father-daughter relationship. You could see in her eyes she wanted so much for her father to love and acknowledge her.
As for Ji-woon, he has an unprejudiced heart. He loves the Prince for who she is inside, not just her outer shell. I love how he fights and protects those he loves without any thought to his own welfare. Unlike all those around him, he has no agenda. He has to know he’s not the best swordsman, but that doesn’t stop him from trying to protect his people.

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"I like that our couple actually tries to move on with their lives and that they really only allow themselves to feel their pain in small doses" -> IT HURTED SO GOOD

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I wager something bad is going to happen in the palace either to her father or her brother, which will force her to return voluntarily to take back her crown. I'm sensing an impending coup >.>

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I agree. It looked like the evil grandpa spiked the King’s tea.

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He did that's why he put Ji Woon father in charge of the Crown Prince,to bring him back after the King died and make him King before everyone makes their moves.

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There are 8 more episodes, so most definitely. She can't be free yet.
This 3 way, battle between Prince Wonsan, Lord Sangheon, and Lord Changchun will be interesting.

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Just the title suggests she is going to be the King. "The King's Affection" -- I don't think it's referring to her father.

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LOVE LOVE episodes 11 and 12. I do have one question -- where was KIM GA-ON???? :-D

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I don't see a heterosexual male falling physically in love with another male and acting on it. Closest friendship, best buds, but physical love, most hetero men it's a big NO. Of course, if he's not heterosexual...but then, there'd be other concerns for the future. I'm not sure why readers here often get giddy about homosexual relationships, it is not the healthiest lifestyle, to put it diplomatically.

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Sometimes I'm wrong when predicting plot developments, but I think it will eventually be revealed that he also knows she's a woman. He kissed her. Men's lips and the their kisses do not feel the same as a woman's.

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Lips are lips regardless of gender. Individual's lips feel different from one another, but someone's gender identity cannot be revealed by how their lips feel.

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He didn't knew that's the whole idea of this drama LOL...
If by any chance pop taht out it would be a major degrade of his character and whole plot in my opinion...

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I have a feeling when Ji jun Jung saw her at the Courtesan place he asked her weren't you at the hunting ground and said something referring to her sex being a woman? So he sensed something about her before. That's why he allowed his emotions to get to him.

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In this world there is a third choice. It is called bisexual, meaning that a person can be attracted to someone from either sex. Homosexual relationships are no more or less healthy than other relationships, so I don't know what you are on about.

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Agree with @athena , who are we (you) to judge what's considered a healthy relationship. Love is love. We get giddy and excited because one human being is acting out of love for another regardless of his status or gender.

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He is bisexual/pansexual. And i actually liked their take on the gender-bender and how they didnt turn it into a heteronormative one
which usually many kdramas do. And from the many reviews i have read they are actually liking the way writer has written it.

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I don't even think there are labels to apply here, since they all imply a generalized preference. He just really, really romantically likes this one person repeatedly and unintentionally.

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Had to clear it to islander north that bisexual people do exist?? Yes there are no labels to apply here and that is just because the writers happened to make the cp and his first love the same person. But we cannot deny the fact that he loves the cp assuming that they are a man. So i guess it is not wrong if people want to call him a bi/pan when he himself have accepted his feelings for the CP who according to him is a man.

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The fact that I come to dramabeans and have to read this type of comment.

Your attitude and discrimination isn’t the healthiest mindset, to put it diplomatically.

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Okay, time to be less diplomatic.

Maybe you should think about the fact that there are gay viewers watching dramas, bro. Maybe that’s why we want to see “homosexual relationships”.

And yeah, I wanna see gay characters in dramaland. I really do. I’m not talking about this drama specifically, but it IS doing a better job than most gender benders at actually addressing the themes of identity (and sexuality) inherent in the setup. I don’t expect it to really go all the way with it, but at the very least it does not actively offend or disappoint me.

The good news is that there is way more representation in dramaland in this year than any other, and I honestly relish the thought of people like you complaining about it. Because you aren’t gonna change anything. Inclusivity is coming and homophobes aren’t going to be able to stop it. Things are changing across the world when it comes to LGBTQ+ acceptance and even in a historically predominantly homophobic country like South Korea public perceptions are changing, and quite rapidly. And I’m so, so happy about it.

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I completely agree. Bigots don’t condemn warmongering, the erosion of women’s reproductive rights, the criminalisation of children, the impoverishment of families through punitive measures, increasing income equality, the destruction of our planet and a myriad of other ills but it is crucial to their poisoned view of the world that they disempower all who do not bow to their version of a vicious god.

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When I love a drama so much, I do read quite a lot of interviews and news reports about it, as well about the actors and actresses, so many I actually I forget where it is from. In one of those interviews, Park Eun-bin states she approaches Damyi as a gender neutral character. So I guess what Damyi's sexual orientation is not the issue here. The issue is, however, whether she can freely live the life she want, in her true gender. "I have never lived my own live all these years," she told her father King Hyejong before she leave the palace. She is not free even when she reveal her real physical gender to Jiwoon in the end of Episode 12: although she is wearing hanbok, she still lowers her voice as if she is still playing the male Crown Prince, and you can see her fear in her eye, as if Jiwoon cannot accept the truth.

It is interesting, however, is [maybe] Jiwoon's sexual orientation. Although unbeknownst to himself, he basically falls in love with the same person twice: as a girl when he was 14 years old, and as a man when it is right now. I think this is why @sailorjumun feels swooned for this story. He loves her (romantically) because of her character, because it is the right person, not because of her gender, or he wants to have sex with her (I am looking at you, Youngeun in Now We Are Breaking Up).

From the beginning I am not a diplomatic person, so I seriously condemn someone like @kcarlsen who say something like homosexual relationships "is not the healthiest lifestyle". You are like those scholars protesting against her being Crown Prince, or maybe even like Lord Sangheon, who think those having different lifestyles, social status, or even gender doesn't worth to live. You may not go that far to execute them, but surely you have the same wavelength with him. You basically don't understand the spirit and the meaning of this very drama.

Discrimination has many levels and varieties, and I hope we (@snehalj, @mindy, @sychotic1 and @flyingcolours, as notable mention) can see a world where discrimination is eliminated, so all the Damyis and Jiwoons in our society can live at least a bit easier, and not in fear even simply telling their true gender to their most loved ones.

Afterall, It is not 15th century* Jeseon, it is 2021 now.

*According to some notes, the character Hyejong, Damyi's father is based on Yejong of Joseon (1468-69), thus the date. It is especially meaningful to set the story in this age (despite being a Fantasy Sageuk), an ultra-conservative era where gender and sexual relations are being restricted in such an extreme way.

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Just an afterthought: in the comic this K-drama based on, the story goes even one step further: as this video states, even Ji-woon disguised himself as a girl when he first met Dam-yi in his 14 years old. However, the ending is pretty bad (when I say "bad" it doesn't mean "tragic", which it is, but really bad in terms of writing).

Since the TV drama goes a different way on many settings and plots, I guess we can guarantee they are preparing an alternative ending?

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"Homosexual relationships are not the healthiest lifestyle". Did I actually just read this sentence in 2021? I'm too dumbfounded by this toxic hetero normative comment to even make a coherent response but relationships being healthy or unhealthy has everything to do with the personality of the individuals involved and 0% to do with sexuality or gender.

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Yes to this.

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Why exactly is being gay an unhealthy lifestyle? (just being sarcastic, please, do not answer back, I already have to deal with too much crap irl and don't feel inclined to explain basic human stuff)

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Did I really just read "it's not the healthiest lifestyle, to it diplomatically," about homosexuality in the year 2021 on DB? Seriously?

I can not let this go uncommented on not just because this is a misconception that has been used to discriminate and persecute those who are not cis-heterosexuals, but also because as an ally to my gay friends, an aunt to gay and transgender young adults and teens, and a mother to an incredible gay daughter I'm beyond sad and disappointed to see that statement in this space.

What is "unhealthy" is being told who you are is an abomination. What is unhealthy is having to hide who you love. What is unhealthy is the aggressions big and small, psychological and physical, of people who continue to say things like you just did.

Bisexual people exist. Men do kiss other men. Stigmatizing that doesn't make it go away, all it does is cause pain and confusion to those still figuring out their own sexuality.

To the LGBTQ+ beanies: I'm sorry you experienced this here today.

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How is it “not the healthiest lifestyle”? I don’t get what you mean here.

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homosexuality is not a lifestyle what even are you on about

homosexuality and bisexuality exist and people have every right to be happy representation in media is finally happening, even if in smaller, less explicit crumbs in a drama like this

a person falling in love with another person without caring about their gender? i love to see it

also, there's nothing diplomatic about your post - this is 2021, please educate yourself and leave your bigotry at the door

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If this is the kind of homophobic nonsense you spout when you are being diplomatic, I hope I'm never forced to read your undiplomatic thoughts.

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Your views are retrograde and contrary to human rights which are universal and indivisible. You might have a loved one who will no doubt suffer from your bigotry. Take some time to reflect on how unfair and unkind you come across.

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I cannot believe I am reading a comment like this on DB. Islander north's comment should just be removed honestly. It is hurtful and discriminating. The only good thing that it does is that it reveals that Islander north is homophobic.

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I have been a Beanie only for a few months but I remember a similar comment from this person when I first joined and the post was condemned by a number of eloquent commenters. To be so obsessively hateful, one must be indoctrinated against reason, compassion and scientific evidence.

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Wow.
You know, I should probably just ignore this piece of nonsense but instead I'm going to go through it piece by piece.

I don't see a heterosexual male falling physically in love with another male and acting on it.

Very true. So while it's not in any way important, he's clearly not heterosexual. Pretty obvious really on account of him falling in love with someone whom he believes is male and not caring about him being male. I'd say, given the limited evidence and the way that Sageuks ignore sexuality generally, that he is pansexual. He doesn't have a general sexual preference one way or the other but is attracted instead to individual people regardless of their sex or gender.

Closest friendship, best buds, but physical love, most hetero men it's a big NO

Well, duh.

Of course, if he's not heterosexual...but then, there'd be other concerns for the future.

I completely agree. Being queer in a hyper patriarchal culture is extremely difficult. Having to hide who you are and how you feel at all times, living your life in constant fear of exposure, discriminate and possible violence. This is why it's better for societies to be accepting, open and honest about who people are and let them love who they love without judgement or consequence.

I'm not sure why readers here often get giddy about homosexual relationships,

Because being brave enough to pursue honestly your love for someone in the framework of social opprobrium is dead romantic. About 90% of Korean romances explore this dynamic for this exact reason. Alternatively if you are queer then seeing yourself represented finally is liberating and exciting. The assumption the "readers here" are by definition straight and cis is a weird and telling assumption. Maybe "readers here" are also queer and get giddy about seeing a love story they can possibly relate to. I mean, personally, I want to see this story where the Crown Prince is a homosexual man who falls in love with his tutor. That would be even better.

it is not the healthiest lifestyle, to put it diplomatically.

What... and I say this with no diplomacy whatsoever... the actual fuck is a 'gay lifestyle'? Why or why not would it be 'healthy'? The only 'gay lifestyle' is one forced upon people who lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersex and more by a society that wouldn't accept them or let them be themselves. Having to hide who you are, pretend to be something they're not or be treated as something weird, abnormal or a freak - yeah, weirdly, that wasn't healthy for anybody involved, just like widespread sexual repression isn't healthy either. The only 'gay lifestyle' is a structure of repression and oppression and it's better for everybody that it dies a rapid death and is gone forever.

I really wish you'd reflect on the way that you frame and talk...

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about these issues because when you say things like this you hurt people deeply. And they don't deserve that when they just came her to talk about a fun TV show they're watching.

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There were two particular scenes that touched me this week. One being the scene where the court lady smiled and appreciated Dwi on her stand regarding the girl and how he mother would have been so proud of her. Second was the conversation between the Dwi and the king followed by that letter. The acting was so good. PEB and Bae Soo bin has done a wonderful job. I have my heart for commander Yoon also who stayed loyal all these years by protecting the secret and also Dwi at the right time . Will we get a glimpse of what made him this loyal ?? The whole Uncle sequence was infuriating. It was hard to see people turning against someone who stood up for the right side. When the scholars gave their petition to dethrone the crown just because he made the uncle ask forgiveness to the girl he killed l, I went like " What the hell!!."
And I expected Ji woon to connect the dots when he saw Hwi in a women's attire looking exactly like the court maid he met.
On last note I always get confused between the two grandpas.

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The King is acted by Lee Pil-Mo, Bae Soo-Bin acts Ji-Woon's father.

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Oops... Just noticed I typed the names wrong. Thanks for the correction 👍👍

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These 2 episodes were the best so far. Dam-yi daring to transform back into a girl was so beautifully done, first in the scene when she tried out the red shoes and then when she revealed herself to Ji-woon.

I also noted that Joseon soldiers are terribly unfit or have lead in their boots. It seems to be a piece of cake to run away from them, even if the people they are chasing are injured and clinging onto each other. They are blind, too, not noticing the couple hiding behind....a few twigs wearing brightly coloured clothes.

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Haha. This is very funny. I thought the same. They were so close to her when she fell down but then still chasing after a whole. I guess there has to be a certain level of "put aside tour logic" when watching any shows. I don't see how it's different than everyone in Seoul running into each other at the same coffee shop /shopping mall/ clothing store.

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In the beginning, I was pretty indifferent to this show. Kinda just went along with it. I'm surprised how much I fell for it now. So much so that I posted screencaps on the Beanie wall again. XD EP 12 in particular was awesome.

The reveal that the King knew the truth was late in the show, but his scenes with his daughter still left a strong impact. Both were so emotional. I'm glad the King was more active in trying to protect her even if it was a last minute plan. I'm glad he wrote that letter to her and revealed more of his thoughts that he could not tell her in person.

Ji Woon's and Dam Yi's first big kiss was wonderful. Everything from being at their private, special place to their expressions leading up to the kiss. I loved that he kissed her before he knew she was a woman. And omg, he doesn't even know she's his first love! His character has remained consistent and his personality is refreshing. I'm also glad that she wanted to tell him the truth soon now that their relationship has evolved and before they go any further. Park Eun Bin has been very convincing in this gender bender role. She's amazing.

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I beg to differ. The passion was not expressed in ignorance. He already knew her secret(from the dice episode) but out of respect waited for her revelation. Still, couldn’t resist the mutual affection or passion, hence planted the kiss. In fact, the last scene was not a shock but looked delighted at her revelation or pleasant treatment.

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Sorry, but no, he didnt know her gender until she revealed it herself in the last episode. He was in disbelief in the last scene not delighted or pleasant. And moreover he wouldnt have offered to help to undress her in the last scene if he knew she was a woman in the first place.

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Idem,he never knew this till she confessed herself...This is the whole point and there of the drama...Also,like she said in the early episodes,I bet he never crossed his mind truly to think the Crown Prince is a woman...Yeah, he said he resembles the maid he saw or that he is more feminine but he isin't the only one who pretty much called the Prince a pretty boy etc...

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meh I wanted the king to hug her.
I hope they will meet again or at least see each other.

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This week episodes truly leveled up the story and the stakes...
Must say that i'm truly happy they kept the Uncle bowing to the servent grave scene from the original manhwa story as it was so poignant and sad and showed how women were treated even more those of low birth and how Confucian played out,looking throu the lenses of our days it was truly infuriating on so many fronts..The same goes with our Prince dialogue in her chamber with her people about not regreting her actions...
As i've read the manhwa i pretty much know what is to happen and in essence the drama follows more or less the same route...
Feel sad thinking the immense guilt that Hwi/Dam Yi will feel when she will know The King has died...
Another heartbreaking scene for me was her conversation with her Father and when she told him she never has lived her own life...
I know Lord Sanghoon is a villain but damn he is a terrific one,no wonder he is were he is and still makes everyone tremble...
The last scene was amazing,mostly because of the details,when Dam Yi told Ji Woon she will undress herself it was like it was her choice for once to reveal or not something representing her life.
About Ji Woon and Dam Yi i guess this would be what we think are soulmates,he fell for her no matter what,being a man or a woman....

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Also forgot to add the way Ji Woon kept proposing in ep 12 to be with him,to take care of her as a "sacrifice" now that she will be a commoner...The guy truly wants to live with Hwi no matter what LOL...

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I loved how Lee Hwi said, "I'm glad you haven't changed when she told him at their favorite place.

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park eun bin breaks my heart in the most beautiful of ways every week

and while i'm enjoying the deliciously dramatic romance, i'm really eating up the scenes where damyi's true colours show. not her gender, but her personality. she's learned to keep a low profile and pretend she doesn't feel a thing her entire life in order to live and protect the people close to her, but she has strong convictions and she can't help but try and do what she believes is the right thing to do. she's not just a tragic victim or a love interest, she's a strong person with her own beliefs.

damyi deserves the WORLD and i really hope we will get to see her claim a life for herself.

i love damyi and specifically park eun bin's portrayal of her so much my heart overflows with feelings every week and i don't know how to deal with it

is it monday yet? time is a SCAM

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The ending when she slowly undo her clothing, her hand was shaking, and it felt like such a intimate and vulnerable moment for her. AMAZING acting from PEB. Even though Ji woon has declared his love/loyalty to her twice and has proposed, she's still scared that he would not accept her.
That proposal scene earlier though, swoon again, take me with you, I will "star gaze and listen to the rain with you" all day Jiwoon-ah. I love his character so much, he's probably pro-transgender and cross dressing too, very progressive for this era, love it!

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This week's episodes were amazing!
Can't wait for next week!

I am suspicious of the uncle's "suicide"...
I am in 2 minds about it, either (1) he faked his death which I believe is in line with the manhwa (someone who has read the manhwa, correct me if I am wrong) or (2) Prince Wonsan killed his uncle and faked the whole last will part in a bid to get Lee Hwi dethroned so that it would be easier for him to take over as Crown Prince (after all, tigers eat rabbits...)
Prince Jehyeon would be so much easier to get rid off than Lee Hwi and is it just me or is Prince Jehyeon's grandpa, Lord Changcheon not that smart... If the "suicide" was all Prince Wonsan's plot to get to the throne, then Lord Changcheon is being played and he doesn't even realize...

Just my thoughts

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Just that the uncle doesn't look like the type who would actually kill himself because of dignity
he is too much of a coward that would beg for his life in any circumstances and a big bully

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No,in the manhwa The Uncle didn't die but i bet here it's all Prince Wonsan doing,note included as he was way too in sync with the whole thing even being there when his uncle was found...

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I agree. That "suicide" was v convenient and not fitting his character.

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Hyun and the king unintentionally know Hwi's gender but it is Ji Woon whom Hwi chooses to reveal her secret. And for me, this speaks volumes as she trusts him enough to tell him the thing she's kept for years (considering the high stake she'll have if people know), That's an act of love right there.
And Ji Woon being smooth in inserting himself in Hwi's future. Lol! Good move, man!

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The whole gender reveal scene was so beautifully and amazingly acted out by Park Eun Bin (Rowoon's reactions were so good as well)

You can really feel the fear, anxiety, trepidation and vulnerability going through Hwi's mind just based on Park Eun Bin's eyes and small gestures.

All these emotions are magnified 3 fold for Hwi:
1) She is revealing her deepest secret to another person willingly (something her mum told her to take to her grave)
2) She is worried about how Ji-Un will react; does he love her as Hwi or her as a person? will he be angry she lied to him? will he still accept her?
3) at the core, she is still a woman who is literally revealing a very intimate side of herself to a man, especially given the era and social settings of the time

It was brilliantly played by Park Eun Bin! Loved the scene so much

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She looked so tiny and vulnerable in this beautiful nature. But strong by the fact she chose to reveal her secret for the first time of her life.

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OMG. That ending was so hot. It's been a long week for the next episode.

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How can Ji-Woon have so much love in his eyes!! 😭 My heart breaks each time he does those teary love+hurt filled eyes.. The guy can emote so well.. ❤

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I love how the episodes this week focused more about the danger of Dam-ii situation and her reltionships with her father and the class system as a whole. She is shaping up to be a fine ruler that we always knew she would be-hopefully she can survive long enough to do so.

My fav scences involved mostly Dam-ii and secondary characters- with the king, with Yoon, that heartfelt talk from Ms Kim (I love herrr) and finally the converstation with her younger brother. The words "after all, you are my only brother..." felt so melancholy, like her griefing the bond with the twin brother she never had.

Everybody's happy the uncles gone but I'm sad cause he's fun to hate. But then again, now we have prince Wanson which is much more subtle and dangerous and I suspect will be put against Hyun at some point.

I don't care who the Crown Prince will end up with. I'm shipping Ga-On and telling us wtf is going on. So-Kang's son or King's son? and what are his motives regardless? I think we finally got answer to the tally on his sword-it probably belonged to Tutor Kang (hence why the king recognized it). Ga-On said it's a "keepsake from his father" and I wonder if the show is the kind of clever to use this as a throwback to "I see him as a father" of the young prince. This mystery got me sooo hooked. hahah.

Kudos for Enouch Hong for not dying out of a panic attack, as per always.

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Rowoon was impressive in this 12th episode. When he found her a pretended to be her husband, I was swooning. And then that look of nervousness he gave her afterwards—perfection! Agh! I have no idea how they’re going to run away together, but I want it now!!!

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Sorry for the random post but wanted to share this. Yesterday,
I learnt two cool Korean slang words: 심쿵 (simkung) abbreviated from 심장이 쿵쿵 (Simjangi Kungkung).
심장 (Sim-Jang) means heart and 쿵쿵 (Kung-Kung) is the beat of the heart. It literally means a heart skipping a beat but is most commonly used for heartthrob.
ps - The romanised spelling is only an approximation. I have learnt in my Korean class that an ‘s’ followed by an ‘i’ has the ‘shi’ sound and the ‘j’ sound is nowhere near accurate!

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OMG!!!! Commander Yooon!! I'm so inlove with him! hahaha!

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He is such a stoic and heroic figure, right?

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