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Forecasting Love and Weather: Episodes 15-16 (Final)

The weather is getting colder, the season is turning, and it’s time to check in on each of our couples one last time and bid them farewell.

 
EPISODES 15-16 WEECAP

In what feels like a week of dramaland finales, it’s also time to close the door on Forecasting. While the storylines themselves concluded nicely and gave us what we hoped for, I can’t say I’m left with any strong emotional response.

At my most unkind I would say this drama had next to no charm and merely told some love stories set to a metaphor-heavy weather backdrop. At my kindest, I would say it left us the message that no matter the obstacles we face in our relationships, there’s always a way through, as long as both parties are willing to do the work and put their heart into it. And now, onto the action!

Despite it blowing up in her face last time, Ha-kyung still feels like it’s her duty to help Shi-woo mend his relationship with his father — especially now that he’s hospitalized and needs a biopsy. He’s still all kinds of trouble, and the cops even show up at the hospital to arrest him for his latest scam, but for the first time there’s a glimmer of humanity in the man.

As much as I don’t really like using what turns out to be his cancer diagnosis to change his heart, that’s exactly what happens. And eventually, Shi-woo finds enough room in his heart to take his father back, and they mend their relationship before it’s too late.

Back at the office, our team has its usual bouts of trouble, like another director freaking out (literally) when they overturn his forecast, a new crop of trainees, Soo-jin deciding to stay with the team, and some knowledge dropping from General Director Ko, who gives us our final metaphor of the drama. He’s not only the forecaster with the highest accuracy record, but he later confides to Ha-kyung that he’s also the forecaster with the lowest record.

What does this mean? We have to be willing to take risks and go out on a limb – in love, and in weather forecasting. It’s this theme that carries us into our final arc of the show, which is Ha-kyung and Shi-woo reuniting.

I’m not sure whether it’s the slowly evolving hairdo or the forearm muscles, but this is the first time in the drama that Shi-woo had some appeal for me — no longer the headstrong puppy we met in Episode 1, he’s now more mature and has grown a lot through his relationship with Ha-kyung.

After coming clean to the office about their breakup and dancing around each other some more, they both come to the same conclusion as the drama comes to a close. It’s the first snow of the season — and Shi-woo and Ha-kyung not only took a chance on the forecast, but on love. They meet up accidentally at the observatory at the same time, and it’s all first snow magic and reignited love.

As for our second lead couple, they also get their footing back after a rocky period. But first, we’re treated to Ki-joon secretly looking up baby stuff at work and melting, and then maybe my favorite scene of the drama, where he and Yoo-jin hear their baby’s heartbeat for the first time and everything changes for them.

They might not be perfect — and Ki-joon might still have growing up to do — but Yoo-jin and the baby will surely be the making of him. Their relationship might have started on a lot of misconceptions, but it’s nice to see them settle into a more realistic and mature relationship as the story ends.

For Dong-han, well, it’s a little more frustrating. Despite putting in effort and trying to be a husband and a father, his stupid job demands too much from him. During the scene when they call him back to the office to deal with the director who’s getting violent, I was literally yelling, “Nooo go to Bomi’s birthday dinner! Someone else can deal with it!” Dong-han goes back (and it of course has repercussions on his family), but this scene was really created so that Shi-woo could protect Ha-kyung — and that accidental punch-out was definitely worth the chuckle.

Dong-han doesn’t get anywhere in his relationship until his wife finally reaches the point where she can be honest with him. She says she doesn’t want to hear him apologize – she wants to hear him thank her for waiting for him so many years. He does the thing, and they hug, and we’re left to believe they will stay married. But dude, this woman and her resentment. Why is everything Dong-han’s fault? Every other couple had a reciprocity going on, except this one.

Our final happy endings belong to Myung-joo and her husband (who is now taking responsibility as the man of the house) and to our Penguin Couple. They’re caught by Tae-kyung’s mother, who questions the couple… which leads to a hugely TMI conversation between them. I’m left wondering why this couple was played only for comedy, since there was a lot of depth to dig out of their relationship if they wanted to, but alas. In the end, the Penguin Couple got their happy ending, too, and Seok-ho became the publisher of Tae-kyung’s sub-par children’s book.

I can’t say I’m terribly moved by the ending of the drama and its storylines, but then again I wasn’t emotionally engaged by the story very much from the start. Still, things came full circle for each couple in meaningful ways, and I’m grateful for the positive note it ended on.

 
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Ratings for the final two eps of Forecasting Love and Weather:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forecasting_Love_and_Weather
Ep15 - 5.7% or 5.6% (per Wikipedia show page)
Ep16 - 7.3%

Highest-rated episode: 7.8% -- February 20, 2022 - Ep4 (Visibility)

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The best part of the final episode was our Penguin couple being caught by her mom. Everything wrapped up nicely and we enjoyed the show- but this will not go down as my favorite drama starring Park Min-young.

Both I’LL FIND YOU ON A BEAUTIFUL DAY and WHAT'S WRONG WITH SECRETARY KIM? were much better.

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It ended…alright. Nothing really surprised me after a certain point in the show and that’s fine if things are done really well. I wouldn’t say that’s the case here, but I did watch the whole thing so it must have done SOME things correctly.

I was surprised because a few moments in the finale did actually tug at me a little. When our ML is talking to his father over the phone I choked up a little. I don’t like that it took him having cancer to not be a total monster. And it seemed super last minute. Still, whether it was the acting or the timing, or what, it still got me, so kudos there. Same for our nearly divorced senior forecaster. Again, there was nothing there that should have worked as well as it did, but hit the right notes I guess?

All of that being said, I doubt I’ll be watching more of this writer’s stuff in the future. They’re a fan of these last minute shifts that I’m sure happen but when so many of them happen back to back…it’s rough. Our cheating couple actually did have a little character development over the course of the show, but that the last major part of it was because of a baby…ugh. Not sure why writer thinks a baby is enough to solve all the major issues this couple has, but that was the bow they tied to solve this one. PMY was the big draw for me here, but I’m hoping she picks a better show next time.

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This drama is over and I'm happy with it!

I didn't like any couple except the penguin, they were cute.

Ha-Kyoung was one of the worse written FL. During the whole drama, she was unprofessionnal. She was saved by other characters, she couldn't take a good decision, she mixed her private life so often with her professionnal one... She really should have taken the offer to go to Switzerland, being a better meteoroligst and starting from scratch for her love life.

Shi-Woo's character undergoes a styling transformation for the last episodes, that was good for make him looked more mature, but the fact he was completely broke during the whole drama made a little bit less credible. I hate when they redeem a character how they did with the father. Ha-Kyung was asking him if he called his father (who hit him with his fatherly love after he was in a big explosion) in the hospital because the weather is cold... How could she be so insensitive (or stupid)? I hate the fact they used a cancer to make him forgive his father, he didn't have a house/flat to live during a whole year because of him... I don't understand why they said he was genius because at the end, it didn't play a role except in the first episode. Forecaster Lee wasn't a genius but was great in his job...

I didn't like Yoo-Jin. She lives her life in her head. She didn't feel welcome in her family, so wanted to create her own family. But they showed she was the one who didn't accept her step-father, she married just because he proposed, she wants confort, she wants a career... I don't think a baby was the good way to make them becoming more mature.

Ki-joon was a big jerk and the fact they continued to have discussions was really weird for me. I have nothing against exes who become friends after a rupture. But he cheated on her just before their wdding, scammed her and tried to get the money he didn't own, still asked for help because he couldn't write an interesting article alone... I wasn't swooned by him telling how he felt in love with Yoo-Jin... guy who were dating!

Forecaster Lee and his wife... The issue was they both chose this life and they made it like it was his decision alone. He wasn't perfect and should have tried more persistently but at least, he never used their daughter in a conflict that concerned the adults.

With this kind of story, I always compared this drama with She Would Never Know because of the ressemblances (office romance, noona romance, colleagues, difficulties with parents, etc.), everything was better in She Would Never Know for me but overall the love story. In FLAW, they spent their time to discuss about their relationship without having one...

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I would pick She would never know a hundred times over this without hesitation

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You are making all the points I wanted addressed, Kurama! Basically, not very many characters or couples were likable, which makes for a dull watch and a lot of fast forwarding. I can't believe I stayed with it.

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You echo my sentiment point by point.I don't know why I stick to the drama till the very end,but I guess my love for pmy make me endure it.I don't like the extra sugary ending of everyone,unrealistic and just doesn't make sense.I hate that siwoo's dad had redemption arc,I mean writernim.Its okay to ditch your parents if they are that bad,you know.I also find it weird that ha kyung can confide in ki joon about her relationship.She did not only caught him just having a meal or exchange flirty text messages with yoojin,she freaking caught them doing it!in their marital house!Being civil to each other is good enough.No other exes will be that friendly after the breakup that bitter.

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Very good post-mortem.

One thing I might add is that in pre-production someone in authority at JTBC should have said to the writer: “Nope, you get 12 episodes not 16 and delete the entire arc about Shi-woo’s father”.

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-I rolled my eyes so hard at the cancer redemption arc for Si-woo's dad.
-I wanted to fling a shoe at Forecaster Um when he went back to the KMA instead of his daughter's birthday dinner. I did think in that moment that he's better off signing those divorce papers since his family is clearly not his priority.
-It was weird to see Ha-kyung's mum suddenly "tamed" after that one conversation. It seemed out of character.
-I never thought I would be cheering for Ki-jun... He had a nice character development

Overall it was an ok drama. I wasn't optimistic about it before it aired and it didn't really surprise me in that sense

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This drama made me ponder about some of the decisions made by k-drama writers on the plot thread that they're willing to die for. This is not the first time that I am scratching my head why the writers focusing on sudden growth of characters that we care nothing about (in this case Si Woo's father). The last minute lobotomy of Si Woo's dad did not sit well for me and it boggles my mind why the writer decided to spend so much precious screen time on this though this is not the first time kdrama tried so hard to redeem horrible characters just for the filial piety sentiment. I also dont get the much screen time and an almost total rehabilitation of the cheating couple. What is the writer trying to convey? It's okay to cheat as long as you repent? The friendship between the Hakyung and SiWoo with their respective exes were among the most bizare relationship development that I have witnessed in Kdrama. Especially after how horrible the break up was for Ha-Kyung and Kijoon was. I wish there will be a day that someone interview kdrama writers to ask why did they decide to focus on a plot that nobody cares about.

Despite all the glaring holes and some frustrating episodes, I have to admit that overall I do like this drama and what it's trying to convey (though the execution left a whole lot to be desired). It has been a soothing and low commitment watch for me which is what I really need in my life right now. At its best, I like the focus on the ordinary and mundane and the ups and down of the relationship. I enjoyed the chemistry of the cast especially the surprising bromance between SiWoo and DongHan.

This is not the first time that kdrama has failed its landing, so I am not too bitter about this drama's ending. I only regret the unrealized potential as it meandered to its finale. Better luck next time for Park Min Young and Song Kang. Their chemistry what kept me going and I will definitely check their next drama whenever that may be.

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Thank you, @missvictrix, for the weecap! Yes, I loved our couple. And the way they got back together is quite so neatly pat - even Shi-woo's father became nicer and better?! But I like the penguin couple and I like how Ki-joon and Ha-kyung became good friends after their long talk.

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Thanks @missvictrix for your fast and funny recaps. I agree with your conclusion that this show wasn't terrible but it wasn't good either. Leech dad + cancer is one redemption arc too far.
Being set in a science office was interesting but ultimately just a vocabulary lesson because of the unprofessional interactions between colleagues.
Actually, I hope the trend of real-world occupations in Kdramas continues minus the middle-school behavior. Is that an oxymoron - a no-drama Kdrama?
The ending was oatmeal, bland and unremarkable.

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Your last sentence - exactly. I finished it and went, "meh" and moved on to my next task. What a waste of PMY's talent.

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The writer forced all characters to have a happy ending, whether it is believable or desirable did not matter. The best scene was the ending with Mum and Dad meeting, voice overs of what hey were thinking of each other and Ha-kyung and Si-woo bailing out.

I am fine with the main couple together again, but the selfish couple rescuing their relationship through a baby? I wish the writer had not gone there.

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Penguin couple were my favorite. Main leads were my least favorite. We got almost naked Shi-woo in first or second episode and then nada for the rest of the show.

Is it my imagination or did Dong-han get really hunky about halfway through the show? In the first episodes, he's a bit beer bellied and double chinned. But about half way through he started looking like he'd been working out.

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Also, I hated the personality transplant on Shi-woo's dad. That man should have been in jail.

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My mistake was deciding to binge the last 4 episodes of this to avoid cliffhangers and enjoy the story more. Like @missvictrix I was already failing to feel any emotional attachment with these characters so watching these episodes together just became a series of annoyances.

The pat resolution to all the break-ups and divorce conversations was also a disappointment - a baby is not a solution people! The show just never delved into actual relationship issues in any meaningful way.

And I still can't get over watching a man assault his female colleague and then the whole thing is resolved because... the forecast is correct (╯‵□′)╯︵┻━┻. At the very least he should be hauled up to HR for serious disciplinary action. All this show makes me feel is relieved that I don't work in such a workplace.

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SAME. The number of workplace violations... I lost count, after awhile. This show could be a case study for HR groups everywhere.
And the writing...so pedestrian, with pat solutions to difficult issues so everything can be tied up with a bow. I felt so sorry for PMY and Kim Mi Kyung, both great actresses and both trying to spin straw into gold when it came to their parts. Actually, the writer was lucky that the cast was so amazing - they made up for a lot of the weaknesses in the writing.

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I liked the drama, but the ending seemed to give an anti-marriage message, which believe is unwise.

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My fav part was Yoon Park's arc. I think his character growth was done very well.

I wasn't happy with the whole 'dad' thing. It made no sense to me. A person like that would have demanded his son to treat him and pay for his medical expenses and leeched off him until his last breath. There was nothing there that showed me why his dad suddenly put his son's well being before his. It came out of nowhere.

Same with the mother. everyone did a flip since it was Ep 16.

Overall, I quite enjoyed the earlier episodes. It was an easy watch. I liked watching the portrayal of working men vs women. Frustrating as it was the contrast was done well. Also liked seeing Ha Kyung grow into a leadership role over time. She was thrust into this position and she made mistakes, but eventually learnt to be a good leader.

Well, I earned my bean!

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Mmmm well it's a nice drama. I feel that pmy great acting (always doesn't match ml acting. He needs more work. For me, most satisfying thing was her saying i love you. It's probably Ha kyung most improvement in relationships

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"I'm not sure whether it's the slowly evolving hairdo or the forearm muscles," @missvictrix, you never fail to crack me up!!
My attitude towards this drama has always been "meh", but I 'm still glad it gave us a nice ending.
I too loved the heartbeat scene, and later when Ki-joon was saying the baby's heartbeat was the baby talking to them for the first time, "I'm here. I'm alive." And how he responded back. That was so beautiful. Glad Ki-joon is finally going to man-up and grow up.
I think Dong-han's biggest problem is that he's clueless and doesn't know how to read a room. I'm glad his wife was finally honest with him and that it appears they were going to make a go of it. Even though I've had my issues with her, he's lucky she gave him a second chance.
Yes, our Penguin Couple had a cringy TMI conversation in front of Tae-kyung's mother, but I couldn't help but think, "that's what you get mom, for always being such a busy body!" That'll teach her!

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Many beanies already wrote what I would want to say, with very good arguments, but I will add more wood to this fire.

This drama has made me feel nothing for Park Min young, and do FF to poor Kim Mi-kyung.
And I have always loved her to death.
Honestly... I didn't like the couples, except so-so the penguin couple... I didn't like the values of the characters, or lack of... I didn't like the gossips at work, I hated Si woo's dad, and couldn't believe his turn-around...

What's wrong with cutting ties with a bad father? Park Sung hoon's character did it in the show: "into the ring"... the bad father came ep. 16 asking for forgiveness, and he was not half of so bad Si woon's dad was here, and Gong myung said he was not able to forgive yet... What's wrong with that?? If you're a victim of your own dad, you don't have the right to take your time to heal, and cut ties??

I have a horrible mother and she died being horrible. I don't regret I took distance with her, I just never missed her once.
That: "be a good father before you die, so I have a good memory of you", to me, felt so empty and even unreal for the character. It might have satisfied only the writer, who didnt know what to do with his characters.

Poor Park Min young, she deserved better. She and Kim Mi-kyung worked in way better dramas in the past.

Come on, girls, you can do and choose better next time!

Fighting!!!! 👍👌👊

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I know, especially when you remember they worked together on Healer...

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Exactly! Also, in Her Private Life, Kim Mi-kyung also played her mother, but it was such a refreshing relationship. Here, it was suffocating, frustrating and silly. It is like the writer only had a characteristic to give to the character of the mother: she is obsessed with her daughter's getting married. Sooo boring. Such unidimentional characters are typical of a silly chinese rom com...
I am dissappointed, but with the writer. I know these girls are amazing.

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The show was overall enjoyable and easy to watch. There are a lot of moments that make me smile and feel warm and fuzzy and it's got a great ensemble and cast chemistry among leads and supporting cast members. PMY and SK delivered great performances and had a decent amount of chemistry despite early misgivings. And I have more respect for forescasters now.

I did think this should have been a 12 episode drama. The last 4 episodes were rife with miscommunications (episodes 13-14 were particularly egregious). The whole thing with Si-woo's dad-- i'm happy that Si-woo finally has a dad, but his redemption arc was ridiculous.

The drama also tried to redeem the cheaters too much (like Yoojin and Kijoon did the deed in Hakyung's apartment instead of getting a hotel like the slightly more decent cheaters out there). Seemed like the writer forgot all about it. And having a baby rescue their marriage? Yikes. The right ending would be to have them divorce amicably and start fresh with other single people or be happy being single.

Weirdly, I did like how Ha-kyung became friends with her cheating ex even though I found it unrealistic. She's a more forgiving person than I.

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This ended up being a perfectly serviceable drama, but I wish the writer hadn't felt compelled to keep everyone together. Dong-han and his wife needed to officially end their marriage as it had symbolically ended years ago (and again, I completely buy the wife's resentment, think it's fair, and wish these two had just acknowledged that somewhere along the line they fell out of love). I also hate, hate, hate the idea that Ki-joon and Yoo-jin can fix their problems with a baby. The show never showed me why they were together--beyond physical attraction and their shared insecurities-- in the first place! Now they'll be parents and everything's great?

I liked the leads together, and thought it was refreshing that this drama centered on the staying together rather than how they got together portion of the story. But after their initial night together, it was like all the passion drained from their relationship (I'm still shocked they never once had a conversation or even a heated glance suggesting it was a struggle to suspend their physical relationship for months while Dong-han was living with them). Therefore, it was hard to remember why they should stay together. I'm ok with the fact that they did, as I think the show told us enough that they loved each other, but they never really had my heart as a couple.

The weather metaphors were enjoyable for a while and then got tired and cliched, and in the end, I felt like the writing unintentionally left us with a pretty bleak view of the reality of marriage even after telling us every married character should remain with their spouse.

And finally, I'm really annoyed at the redemption arc for Shi-woo's dad! This bugs me the most. People that narcissistic and greedy never change. Never. Even when faced with terminal illness, they don't become radically different people capable of love and growth. I appreciated that for so long, the writing resisted suggesting that these two characters could ever have more than they did; if Dad had been capable of being a loving father, he would have been one. He just wasn't capable of it! Terminal illness doesn't change that.

I did enjoy penguin couple, though.

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I personally think that part of the conflict when they were living together was this. He wanted more hot dates and she wanted to throw water on it since they were dating in secret. I have seen Korean dramas being super shy about talking about physical aspects of relationship. They show kiss and other scenes but characters never show or talk about it. Don’t know why. Also I felt that the time given to the cheater couple was such a huge waste of time. Imagine what a cute drama this would have been if they had reunited in ep 14 itself and they together worked with his dads illness (redeeming parents is a big feature of East Asian and south Asian culture and since I am south Asian myself I do get the cultural context). But why justify cheating. Imagine how hilarious it would have been since the day JHK announces to everyone in the office that Lee Shi woo and she have broken up, that very night they get back together. Imagine how cute and funny those scenes would have been when they were trying to date publicly and embarrassingly telling people that actually they are officially together. But no what we got was scenes upon scenes upon scenes of the cheater couple. I literally felt like flinging my iPad into the wall with so much importance given to the cheaters In this drama.

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Thank you @missvictrix for steering this ship thru the stormy waters of "Forecasting". I did enjoy Song Kang's arm muscles throughout, but disappointed that the initial chemistry with PMY just seemed to melt away over the next 14 episodes. So now can someone enlighten me about the last scene, where Shi-woo and Ha-kyung are headed to a meeting with his dad and her mom at a restaurant, and then decide to skip out? What was that, a pre-wedding meeting? Or just a meet'n'greet? While I found his dad to be despicable, I was relieved that everyone got their candy-coated happy ending.

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It isn't easy to weave weather moods into real life moods and for that this drama deserves praise for how it weaves both characterizations together.

And now to the characters. Truthfully, the story about our main lead didn't interest me again both in the penultimate and finale running. So I can't really say I'm happy for them cause it felt rather contrived. But, definitely happy for the other members of Chief Team One.

Senior Forecaster Um is really dumb when it comes to family weather, and he has to learn the ropes on this one. However, it was so so heartwarming seeing this family seat around a table with surrounded by an air of togetherness.

Innocent guys are cutiepies, and so so pure. Can the drama gods give me more Assistant Director Shin-esque characters. Hwaiting Penguin Couple.

While Shi-woo's father's redemption arc was full 720°, I love his interaction with his son this concluding episode. Finally Shi-woo is in a good place. I like this Shi-woo.

And finally, the show gives us the competent Director Jin we were introduced to in the premiere. Less talks, just more action.

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The side characters (except for Seokho) are very toxic. Only the main couple is worth watching.

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Ha Kyung seemed more like a mentor to Si Woo in the scene at the observatory before their reconciliation. They should have ended the note on her being a good advisor to him and him helping her loosen up a bit because the ending scene with both their parents thinking " He is immature" and "She appears cold-hearted" were actually about Ha Kyung and Si Woo.

@missvictrix Unlike you, the scene where Hae Ryung pointed out her husband's aloofness did not appear to be one-sided. She picked up the courage to have an honest discussion when her husband bailed out halfway. She admitted to pushing for a divorce as a lost resort to beat some sense into him. What is the yse of being faithful when you can't even make time for the other person? He should learn to balance work and life and his was an interesting arc, but too bad the writer did not get into it deeper.

I started liking the secondary couple because they had one of the best character developments amongst all. Overall I would give this show 6/10 because of the efforts they put in to show the hardwork of forecasters.

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😂😂 lol! I just called Senior Forecaster Um's
wife by a name which I had unintentionally been remembering as her character name in the drama.

It is Lee Hyang-Rae*

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I just finished this drama and my gosh was it boring.

I can't believe PMY picked such a bland project. In all honesty I had a severe bias against this drama because of the pairing, but I at least hoped the story and side characters would be interesting. Some episodes were memorable but the second half was an absolute snooze fest. Especially the whole break up dilemma.

I never really understood the high ratings for this drama but I'm glad its over.

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Yeah... the ratings... My Liberation Notes is so good but the ratings are low 😭

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It’s up against tough competition so that could be a contributing factor but nonetheless it deserves better

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"They might not be perfect — and Ki-joon might still have growing up to do — but Yoo-jin and the baby will surely be the making of him. Their relationship might have started on a lot of misconceptions, but it’s nice to see them settle into a more realistic and mature relationship as the story ends."

Pure hogwash. This was such an infuriating arc. They both betrayed their long term partners horrifically. She never actually admitted to cheating or properly apologized (nor did she seem particularly guilty). He did, but also betrayed his partner physicall/emotionally/financially and stalked her, was violent and meddling with her new lover, generally had a toxic and fragile male ego (couldn't deal with his wife living with another man before? When they horrifically betrayed their partner?).

There is nothing even remotely mature and realistic about this. They did jack to attempt to redeem themselves (her in particular). Not that anything they could ever do would be enough. The show, meanwhile, is giving this relationship an imprimatur and basically declaring it "directionally correct". Probably counting on people not remembering the first two episodes (or a lot that followed, given his outrageous behavior). I find the notion that I should see what they did and did not do, and now root for them for a "I am sorry" (same goes for his abusive father) repulsive (as the people supporting this). Quite simply, narratively speaking, they don't deserve happiness, and it's insulting to see the main characters having trusting them with profound conversations, when they had just abused their trust so horribly. I would have been more than happy if they had actually reflected on what they gave up and understood their actions (and show seemed to go in that direction, realistically showing that horrifically destroying your partner -in her case to be with the first person that wanted to marry you-, does not lead to a happy outcome). The main characters are doing an injustice to all the people that treated them well, and to themselves, by treating their betrayers so well. It's unrealistic, insulting of the viewers' intelligence, wrecks suspension of disbelief.

The main point is that there is no accountability. This is not mature or realistic, it's the equivalent of an emotionally dependent child's preachy view of reality. A reality where adults with agency don't have to answer for their own actions. It's simply revolting that they would show us what they did in the first chapters, and later, and then expect us to root for this couple (from https://www.thereviewgeek.com/forecasting-loveandweather-s1review/: "The other problem here comes from the second couple of the show. After seeing Ki-Jun and Yu-Jin embrace their affair, this series has an utterly bizarre moral compass, deciding this is a couple we should root for. Not only that, but Ha-Kyung’s disdain for her ex starts to wane and they even end up becoming chummy later on down the line. I...

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down the line. I know this is a bit of a spoiler but it’s important to note because a lot of people are likely to go into this and not understand how Ha-Kyung could forgive him.". Exactly. Narratively it does not make any sense for them to have a happy ending -what kind of sick, revolting individual would be so idiotic as to swallow the writer's drivel and actually turn on a dime with an "I am sorry"? Same for the abusive father that dispossessed the ML... utter hogwash, none of these things deserve to be forgiven, nobody is perfect, but there are thresholds, and this show does not have any concept of boundaries or minimum expected behavior... and the victim blaming/self gaslighting/moral equivocation (moving the conversation from the horrific betrayal to general relationship problems, that are wholly besides the point, like talking about one's dress in the context of cat calling) only reinforce the idea that there is no accountability... in all this, the question of why they would choose such an unrealistic and disturbing characterization remains... only to disgust the audience? And the fact that they are disgusted fortifies my belief in humanity-.

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"his stupid job demands too much from him"

That's not really true, tough. There were a few times where he could have been there for his family and was not, and it was not essential for his work. Though, this is something I am fifty/fifty about, while the abusive father and traitorous couple's happy endings are revolting (as the people supporting them, which, thankfully for my trust in humanity, seem like they could be counted in one hand, 99% of people in forums understanding this bad writing for what it is).

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"and Ki-joon might still have growing up to do"

Disturbing how he gets most of this, certainly not unexpected given his toxic male ego, but let's not forget that she did every scummy thing he did in the course of their affair, she is just never taken to task for it, and I think never apologized (not that it does any good, and I prefer brash honesty -not that she admitted to anything- to putting up a fake facade of decency and caring, and then horrifically betray his partner physically, emotionally and financially, stalk her, etc. like the second ML did).

Repulsive that the show would forego them realizing they messed up and realize what they lost, instead choosing to validate and lend its imprimatur to their relationship. To quote https://www.thereviewgeek.com/forecasting-loveandweather-s1review/

The other problem here comes from the second couple of the show. "After seeing Ki-Jun and Yu-Jin embrace their affair, this series has an utterly bizarre moral compass, deciding this is a couple we should root for."

On realism:

"Not only that, but Ha-Kyung’s disdain for her ex starts to wane and they even end up becoming chummy later on down the line. I know this is a bit of a spoiler but it’s important to note because a lot of people are likely to go into this and not understand how Ha-Kyung could forgive him."

And https://www.thereviewgeek.com/forecasting-loveandweather-s1e12review/

"I dunno about you guys but as someone who has actually been in Ha-Kyung’s position, walking in on their partner having sex with someone else, there’s no way I’d be eating lunch with them. The whole thing reeks of awkward writing... The other issue stems from how chummy Ha-Kyung and Ki-Jun are now. He had an affair on her and shattered her heart and while I understand they could act as civil acquaintances at work, I can’t see them sitting down and eating lunch together, acting like they’re friends again. Maybe it’s just me but the whole angle the writers are going for here doesn’t quite work."

I would actually not agree with the "being civil" part. After trying to take the house, and stalking her, he does not deserve ever that much.

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A rather revolting ending for the second male lead and second female lead. They miscalculated. They should have had them break things off (as they had every chance to do: they were going to break it off with their partners anyway) without the cheating part. Giving the revolting manner the relationship started (and if one is not suffering from amnesia, it's impossible to forget the first episodes), it's simply farcical that they would expect us to root for them because of an "I am sorry" (which I believe involved only the second male lead -not that his entirely unimpressive persona is in any way rehabilitated in my eyes because of this: too little, too late-). I don't know which utterly demented nincompoop ever would. Actually, the fact that the viewing public has to have their intelligence insulted by seeing the protagonists get along with their cheating exes -which they caught in the act, and tried to mess with their finances and stalk them, in one case-, is kind of part of the problem.

I must say that while the male cheater is more vulgar and obviously unsuitable, it's pretty well balanced by the female cheater's lack of guilt or even acknowledgment of her actions (even when facing the woman whose life and emotional world she shattered). Disgusting, the both of them. Them getting together with their exes would have probably been the only worst outcome (then again, given how their self respect has been erased, particularly the female lead's starting from ep. 12/13, it would hardly make a difference). They did much worse than in Backstreet Rookie, for example. The exes getting a happy ending after doubling down on their relationship borne out of the cheating and casual disregard for their long term partners' hurt/humiliation, not showing them a shred of respect, is just insulting from a narrative point of view. By that point, the abusive father getting a happy ending as well finds the viewer numb.

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I will just point out how useless it is to make a token attempt at social commentary with the pregnant career woman bit, when you give a happy ending to mr "I had sex in our house and bed in front of my partner of ten years with a woman in a long term relationship of her own, but I cannot accept the latter had lived with her boyfriend because it would hurt my male ego", and even have the strong female lead (incredible showing in the first chapters) essentially gaslight herself, victim blame herself, morally equivocate and drive the conversation to broader relationship unsuitability, which was not the point.

The solution to cat calling is not to tell the victim to dress more conservatively. Whether The dress is appropriate is wholly besides the point. Enter FL and the man-child with bruised male ego that betrayed her physically/emotionally/financially, stalked her, pretended she continued to help him with his own job while gaslighting her, etc. (same for ML and his gf or father... they are not the problem, those abusing or betraying them are). Not being perfect != you don't deserve to be loved. Unhappy != horrific betrayal/abuse != parting amicably. Her (and the ML, for that matter) being cordial and close, confiding in people that betrayed them so horrifically, shows a complete lack of self respect. And it's sad to see particularly a female character behave as if her ex's antics (the horrific betrayal and humiliation he heaped upon her, the physical/emotional/financial betrayal, where he tried messing with her money and taking the house from her, his stalking and jealousy and violent temper, and assumption that she help with his job while he gaslighted her -essentially, the complaint was that she worked -and did part of his job and paid for most of their expenses, might I add-, and therefore could not be always available... but then again, we see how much he thinks of his wife's work when it messes with his fragile male ego). Bye bye strong female lead, in other words. The spineless coward with no self respect that is left in her place is really not the same woman as in the beginning of the series.

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Exibit one:

"""At lunch, Ki-Jun sits with Ha-Kyung and excitedly shows off the heartbeat for his baby. She’s happy for him as Ki-Jun urges her not to let Si-Woo go, pointing out while he was a horrible boyfriend, Ki-Jun doesn’t want to be a bad friend as well."""

This is hogwash. She saw them having sex in their own home and bed. Maybe he was conceived as she watched? Not sure which universe she would be congratulating him on having a kid with the mistress he had sex with in front of her, breaking her heart and causing her such tremendous issues that she jeopardized her own relationship a few episodes back. But it is surely not a universe inhabited by humans.

As for him being a "bad friend" in addition to a "bad boyfriend", I don't think they are mutually exclusive, and frankly I believe he is a bad friend for the same reasons he is a bad boyfriend. He broke her trust, didn't show her a shred of respect, hurt and humiliated her, betrayed her physically, emotionally and financially, stalked her, behaved like a violent, jealous p***k. Pretty much makes for a terrible friend, as well. And she should not have him in her life at all, and wouldn't, if she had any self respect. I still choose to believe that the strong woman in the first episodes wouldn't. This travesty of a relationship is simply appalling.

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"""At lunch, Ki-Jun sits with Ha-Kyung and excitedly shows off the heartbeat for his baby. She’s happy for him as Ki-Jun urges her not to let Si-Woo go, pointing out while he was a horrible boyfriend, Ki-Jun doesn’t want to be a bad friend as well."""

Not sure what's more unacceptable from the point of view of the female lead's self respect her. Her having this scumbag still in her life, occupying space. Her thinking so little of herself that she believes he *deserves* to be in her life. Him daring to mention the kid before the partner he had sex in front of.

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The general message here was: no accountability. Not for the abusive father. Not for the adulterous couple (the ex gf never apologized for anything, afaik). That didn't even really need to be adulterous in the first place (they were planning to split up anyway, so why cheat when it was going to be over soon?).

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Let's be clear: how realistic would it be for her to swoon over the child her betrayer had with the woman he had sex with in front of her, in their own home and bed? Maybe she was present at conception. In what universe is this toxic, sick relationship, or her having the guy still in her life, "realistic"? Not one inhabited by humans, that's for sure. What about her trauma? Or, for that matter, her self respect as a strong, independent woman, or her sense of self worth? She should have told him clearly that he is a terrible friend for the exact same reason he is a terrible boyfriend.

More generally, the broken moral compass that should make us root for the adulterous couple doubling down on their relationship built on a field littered with betrayals, and on the broken emotional world of their former partners, is creepy as hell (and I still can't decide if I am more irked by the female cheater that never apologized or addressed her actions or even seemed to be guilty, or by the male lead that did all that, and betrayed his partner of ten years, and almost-wife, physically, emotionally and financially, stalked her, etc., and still pretends like he is deserves to act as a decent person and show care, instead of feeling too ashamed to face her and say a word to the woman... between the chummy chummy hypocritical and unselfaware a****t and the brutal but honest uncaring truth, maybe I prefer the latter -barely less disgusting, does not own up to her actions but neither pretends to be better than what she is, or care about someone she had no hesitation hurting and humiliating, as evidenced by telling him she regrets living with him and she understands that for her husband it would be too humiliating a fact, while having cheated on her former lover, the man she is speaking to-).

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The show had a good premises, but was crippled by bad writing/characterization, which we can narrow down to a lack of accountability. On one hand, the show had an utterly broken moral compass that wanted to push us to root for a toxic second couple that doubled down on their adultery, and an abusive father that treated his son as an ATM, giving them a happy ending. On the other side, the protagonists unrealistically self flagellate and become chummy with those that horrifically betrayed them, having conversations about very personal issues with people that abused their trust (particularly the initially strong female lead later on abandons all self respect). I found the idea repulsive (as anyone endorsing it). I appreciate the fact that looking at the forums 99.999% of people find this equally unrealistic and intellectually insulting, it restores my faith in humanity. In terms of redeeming the irredeemable, the issue with the father should be self evident, so let's look at the others.

The thing about the cheating is that it was entirely pointless (even more of an issue since they were planning to have us root for the cheaters later on). They were both ready to split up with their long term partners anyway, they could have literally just waited a bit and parted honestly. The guy had cancelled the wedding. Him having sex with his mistress in the house and bed he shared with his partner of 10 years was wholly unnecessary, as was his mistress cheating with him right before going to split up with her boyfriend. It just seem needlessly cruel and lacking the barest shred of respect for their partners.

The ex bf betrayed the FL physically, emotionally and financially (appliances and house). He also gaslighted her, after she helped him with his job and paid for most of their stuff, he had the gall to complain about basically her having a career, with obligations she didn't have any choice but to attend to, and for which she notified in advance and apologized... we know that he would sing a different tune if the roles were reversed, but then again we are speaking of someone that wanted his wife to give up her career because he was jealous to see her work in a place where she could meet her former boyfriend. He was a stalking, violent, drunk, possessive, self entitled creep. Up until almost the end he was whining due to his fragile male ego getting hurt by his wife having lived with another guy and the situation with their exes. He even dared to make compare with his ex this with what she felt when she walked in on him having sex with his lover in their house, on their bed. Plus the other faults during their relationship (the mess he did with the insurance, the way he was unsupportive of her profession, and pressured/resented her about obligations with her career that were outside her control... it was not her fault, she deserved better, a supporting partner).

The ex gf was at least as bad, in her own way. She didn't regret, feel guilty or...

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The ex gf was at least as bad, in her own way. She didn't regret, feel guilty or apologize to her ex bf for cheating on him, actually she never even acknowledged it, and was never taken to task for it (contrary to her husband). She mistreated her ex bf, telling him that she regretted living with him and she accepted her husband's sexist position that "no man could tolerate his wife having lived with another man" (I think he managed to change her mind on this, telling her that it's nothing to be ashamed of and he told his own gf -showing that he was not a judgmental scumbag like her husband-), while she had sex with her lover in front of his gf of 10 years right before splitting up with her bf. Again, in all this she admits that her ex was a good guy -kind and handsome-, and that her only issue with him was his stance on marriage, that he was always honest about. The worst moment was probably when she self righteously talked to the woman that saw her have sex with her boyfriend of 10 years in her own bed, telling her that she didn't break up with her boyfriend because of his dad. Well, considering you were willing to cheat on him with someone that was about to marry his gf of 10 years, and didn't feel any guilt, remorse, or need to apologize either to her ex bf or to her husband's ex gf, I don't think it's unfair to set the bar pretty low when it came to assessing her character.

Neither her nor her husband ever actually regretted, felt guilty or apologized for sleeping with someone in a long term relationship, hurting and humiliating people that they didn't know and had no beef with (then again, they didn't hesitate to hurt their significant others, so what about strangers).

The ML and FL were also problematic. They started out okay, in particular I appreciated the strong, confident female lead standing her ground on the issue of the house and not accepting moving to Switzerland and compromising her career for the sense of entitlement of someone that had horrifically betrayed her. I also found understandable that she was emotionally scarred and devastated by the experience her ex put her through, and this led to trust issues in her next relationship. A bit surprising that the ML didn't suffer from similar issues, since he too was cheated on and betrayed. What I didn't find acceptable was both protagonists, but the FL in particular, starting them to act chummy with the very people that hurt them, for no good reason.

It is simply not believable or realistic that, for example, the ML would calmly talk in a bar about his current gf with the man that cuckolded him, or that the FL would give someone that betrayed her physically, emotionally, financially, stalked her, behaved in a possessive and self entitled manner, and all the other horrible things he did, advice on his relationship. Or calmly talk about her current relationship with the woman she caught sleeping with her husband. Or congratulate him on his son, which she might...

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Or congratulate him on his son, which she might have witnessed the conception of, having walked in on him having sex with his lover on their own bed. Again, she was scarred so badly that it affected her next relationship, but by the end (ep 12/23) she was self flagellating, praising him, making this about the relationship as a whole and general incompatibility, rather than about what it really was, which was basically whether she felt she deserved the emotional abuse he put her through. This is like a battered housewife thinking about what she did to displease her wife beating drunk of a husband (and a wife beating drunk with a sob story is still a wife beating drunk).

Again, it's perfectly useless to have the token "pregnant career woman" social criticism attempt, and then have the second FL initially "understand" her husband's ridiculous stance on her previous cohabitation (even hiding it from him, knowing he would react like a sexist, insecure brat, despite them having both cheated on their long term partner and not having any leg to stand on). On having the FL self flagellate about having a career (and helping her ex with his job and paying for most of their stuff, might I add) and therefore not being always available (she was most of the time, and when she had tasks she couldn't delay she notified in advance and apologized... again, it wouldn't have been a problem for him in reverse, as we see with his behavior when he misses his mother's birthday, and the way he casually suggests his wife stop working because having her around her ex bf hurt his fragile male ego).

In general, them having these deeply personal conversation with people that betrayed their trust, or being chummy with them, helping them wit their relationship, etc. after their horrific betrayal showed a complete lack of self respect, which was disappointed in particular for the FL which was initially portrayed as strong. The same could be said for his father. Sorry, but "sorry" doesn't cut it: too little and too late (not that they all said or ever felt sorry, see the ex gf that never ever addressed her betrayal).

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I found ludicrous that he would mention being a bad boyfriend, but a good friend. He was a trash friend for the exact same reasons he was a trash boyfriend: he betrayed her trust and then, after breaking up, tried to mess with her financially, and behaved like a self absorbed, possessive, drunk, violent nuisance. And a stalker to boot.

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I would have much preferred for him to be brutally honest, instead of daring to try to act chummy and put up a facade of respectability... how he can face the shame of happily talking to her about his kid, when she might as well have had front row seat when they conceived him, what with her walking in when he was having sex with his mistress in their own house and in their own bed.

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The female lead starts off as a strong female character, and then undercuts herself and shows she has no standards or self respect. Her ex's whole problem boiled down to her having a career. So she had to attend to some unavoidable tasks for work when they were working on the house or had to meet his classmates. She warned in advance when she knew, and apologized. This would have *clearly* not been a problem for him if the roles were reversed (see above paragraphs). Despite that, they become chummy, praises him (his current wife disagrees with him being a good husband and father, and for objectively good reasons) and self flagellate (really, being a perfectionist earned her the trauma he inflicted on her? As if he didn't have his defects -see above-, plus the cheating, which kind of overshadows everything: this is like saying that Hannibal Lecter is a good person, except for his tendency to eat your liver, or that a wife beating drunk started out good and fixed the sink... yes, but the physical abuse is kinda of the dominant factor her (emotional in her case): a wife beating drunk with a sob story is still a wife beating drunk. In general, I didn't like how emotionally traumatic events that had life altering (wrecking) consequences on their lives are suddenly brushed aside and minimized as minor inconveniences, when they had concrete impacts on their successive relationships. Her walking in on her husband having sex with his mistress, his father's life long abuse... "I am sorry" and it becomes water under the bridge? No, it's not realistic, it insults the viewer's intelligence. Furthermore, getting past trauma does not mean lying to yourself about the life altering impact and severity of the emotional wound you suffered. Nor does it does it mean trusting or wanting back in your life the people that victimized you (why would they want them in their lives in the first place?). This is poor writing that did not respect or treat seriously their trauma.

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I find the idea of ML sitting down with the man who cuckolded him and calmly having a conversation ludicrous. Same with FL and her ex'es wife.

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Note that the cheating couple never apologized to their lover's partners, despite essentially needlessly hurting them and humiliating them when they didn't know them and they had never done anything to them. For that matter, contrary to FL's ex, ML's ex never apologized, regretted or even acknowledged her actions (FL's ex was the opposite, mentioning his adultery constantly, when really thinking about the fact that he was the kind of guy that would have sex with his mistress in front of his gf of 10 years, in their own house and marriage bed, isn't really flattering or a nice thought to have, even for his wife -since he was the kind of person willing to do that... not boding well for the future, not exactly making him seem more trustworthy or particularly committed... not that she had any leg to stand on to complain, given how she had sex with her lover right before breaking up with her boyfriend, a pointless humiliation and lack of honesty and respect that was really unnecessary, given how she had long decided to break up with him: she could have postponed it and had a respectful separation, but then again the same could be said of her lover who had also already cancelled the wedding, thus making his claim that he humiliated his gf for her doubly crazy: he had already cancelled the wedding, he could have waited and parted with her respectfully, this was pointlessly cruel and lacking any shred of respect-).

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I will add that they both chose cheaters to betray their partners with. In particular, the ex gf said she liked him because he was the first/only one that asked her to marry him. Someone in a ten years relationship that was willing to cheat on his long term girlfriend in their own bed. This is simply ridiculous. Couldn't she have broken up and chosen someone unattached who was also interested in marriage? I don't pretend a convoluted explanation, but I found "you were the first/only guy that asked me to marry him" to be really ridiculous.

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The only couple I could fully support was the Penguin pair. I liked the ML and FL, particularly in the beginning, and I don’t really have as much of an issue with them as a couple, since I basically think that the marriage issue is something that could be dealt with down the line: they both want a stable, long term relationship. Maybe he will change idea regarding the marriage, maybe she will… I don’t see it as such a huge issue, particularly nowadays. It does not mean you cannot have a family, for example. I am confident that if they feel it’s an issue in the future they will break up with honesty, as they did in this show.

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I *really* would have been happier without *some* of those happy endings. I felt that the cheating couples' relationship should have derailed, as if seemed to. It would have been much more realistic (she chose the first/only guy willing to marry her, who turned out to be an egotistical, possessive scumbag that had to be helped by his ex gf in his job, couldn't deal with her having had a boyfriend she lived with, or generally with their exes' situation -despite having literally no leg to stand on and complain, given he was the one that deliberately cheated with someone in a long term relationship, and slept with her on his and his girlfriend's bed)

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A bit iffy regarding the old guy, mr Um... I feel the same way as with the stuntman guy in Once Again, meaning sympathetic on some level, but really irritated with what I see as essentially him messing up his own situation in unreasonable ways. The way he was the one mediating the situation in past chapters, was really unnecessary (plus the reveal of personal information), and I felt that this was not work related (if it was really unavoidable it would have been another story... for example, I am very supportive of FL's work obligations and felt that her ex bf was not nearly as supportive as he should have been, and put pressure on her).

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I didn't really like the idea of the Penguin couple breaking up, and didn't think it made sense for them to. I was very supportive of them (basically my favorite couple, I really wished they had more screen time, and the breakup took time away from them, though ultimately they did end up together).

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I mean, is it really a happy ending if it does not make me happy? Bad pun. But seriously, I could have done without some the adulterous couple being given essentially the imprimatur, despite their cheating being unnecessary and cruel, their reasons to be together particularly ludicrous (not being picky, but even in the context of a romcom, her choosing the first guy that would marry her despite him being in a 10 years relationship and about to marry someone else, rather than, I don't know, breaking up with her boyfriend and finding someone unattached -possibly not the kind of person that would betray his girlfriend of 10 years in their own house and in their own bed, in other words someone that could quality as a barely decent human being-). Also, don't get me started with the mess with his dad... never approved of FL trying to excuse his behavior, like ML even less for buying his hogwash, and generally the only thing I liked less was them being chummy with the traitors that emotionally scarred them -trusting someone with intimate and personal life details, when they had just utterly betrayed your unconditional trust-, or, for that matter, having a meeting at the bar and cordial conversations with those that cuckolded them about their current relationship with the other partner the adulterers sc***ed over. Absolutely none of this made sense, and was utterly disappointing given the confident, no bs attitude they had in the beginning, particularly the strong female lead. Not putting up with anyone's bs, setting down boundaries and expecting people to respect them, knowing what they are worth and pretending nothing less from those around them.

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It was completely disgusting to see them get a happy ending. It would have been realistic had the actually broken up. They cheated on their long term partners, which was completely pointless, as they wanted to leave them anyway. They didn't apologize to their lover's partners, an din the case of the ex gf not even regretted/apologized/acknowledged her cheating. Their victims become chummy with them (and they pretend to care, even after ex bf tried to mess with his gf of 10 years' finances). They have long conversations with the people that betrayed them.

The cheating boyfriend's jealousy and drunken behavior and violent reaction is completely ridiculous and unrealistic. He had sex before his gf in their home and marriage bed. Then he acts as if she owed it to him to go to Switzerland and give him half the house. Then he tries to scam her with the appliances. He dares to compare his jealousy towards his gf living with her bf before her marriage to the pain he inflicted on his ex gf. While his wife accepts the fact that he shames her for living with her boyfriend, and tells the guy that it's normal for a man to feel that way, and that she regrets having lived with him. While she had sex with her lover in his home right before dumping him.

On one hand, we have someone that shames his wife for having lived with her boyfriend, wants her to drop her career because he doesn't want her around her ex, and until the last episodes still cannot put up with the exes situation. He also continuously points out how he betrayed his gf as if he didn't realize how much of a unreliable scumbag it made him look like. On the other hand, we have someone that liked the guy simply because he was the first to want to marry her. Completely disreganding that he was the kind of person that would cheat on his girlfriend of 10 years in their own home and bed. Unbelievable that she would do that, rather than break things off with her boyfriend and look for someone unattached that wanted to live with her. Also, no evolution: she never acknowledges her betrayal or apologizes. In his case, it would have been better he did not, because contrary to what he said he was a horrible boyfriend *and* a horrible friend, for the same reasons (betraying physically, emotionally, financially, stalking and being a drunken, violent, possessive, self entitled nuisance).

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You cannot understand why they would like each other, and the idea of them reproducing sends shivers down my spine. Their pointlessly hurt and humiliated their long term partners, she never felt any regret over it, he followed it up with further scummy behavior. A "sorry" does not cut it, too little and too late. Them having a happy ending is as ludicrous as the abusive father getting his. Two people that emotionally hurt and betrayed their long term partners, got together in a few months and whose relationship was based on him being the frist guy that wanted to marry her, and him being a jealous scumbag that did not support his former gf in her career (because she needed to spend time on required tasks, some times, and notified him about it and apologized... we know that he would not have had issues if the roles were reversed, and we know how little he cares of his partner's carer, given the way he wanted to ship his ex to Switzerland and to have his wife quit her job because of his fragile male ego).

In a realistic context, they would not be together. They would have separated, they would not have kept the baby, he would not be discussing it with a woman he traumatized by basically giving her front row seats at the adulterous conception. When they married they didn't know each other, and at a personal level, they were people that were willing to break their long term partner's trust, and started off by lying to each other.

Actually, as far as the two cheaters are concerned, in a realistic context she would have broken things off and went looking for someone unattached that was interested in marriage. And he would have been dumped by his gf when she realized she deserved better than the unsupportive, incapable scumbag of a dead weight (that couldn't cope or support her career, despite her paying most of their stuff, and even had to be helped in his job)

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