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[Hot Take] Twenty Five Twenty One finale (spoiler alert!)

Hold onto your couch cushions! This thread is a hot take on a heat-of-the-moment issue in dramaland. It will be full of spoilers, differing opinions, and a roller coaster of emotions. Enter with caution. Oh and please be nice — we’re all friends here.
 

Hot Take: I would have rather dealt with the tragic death of Yi-jin than the ending we got: a present-day Hee-do we can’t recognize, a breakup that neither of them truly wanted, and a vague and dissatisfying ending message.

 
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I just forced myself to watch that last episode...

I totally agree! I would have rather watched a tragic death over this

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I really hated the last two episodes the most.

I was disappointed with the way Yi-jin handled things during his 9/11 appointment. Yes, he was dealing with a lot of stuff but there was a better way to handle things. How did he not tell her he was applying for that overseas correspondent position? Did he not know she would find out about it? Ughh, such a mess

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Ok, I was being dramatic because I really loved this show 😩. I wouldn't be OK with Yi-jin's death

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The thing is people who are saying the drama took a realistic route are not making sense for the simple reason that Yi Jin and Hee Do had a very well developed friendship even before it transformed into love. They’ve endured worse but couldn’t manage a long distance relationship with their personalities makes no sense. The drama forced the break to make it seem that first love not ending up together = reality. But that is not how first love relationships that fail are built. If anything Yu Rim and Ji Wung’s relationship should have failed because that kind of first love relationship reaching fruition was very unrealistic. There was no logic to the break up.

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"The drama forced the break to make it seem that first love not ending up together = reality."

This is how I felt while watching that episode. The whole break-up and its reasons felt rushed.
I think that it would have made much more sense if the whole circumstances surrounding the break-up had been fleshed out a bit more.

They basically spent 14 episodes building this amazing friendship/relationship only to tear it down in half an hour

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Disagree. The drama’s main focus is on treasuring youth, passion, and first love, hence her daughter’s storyline in the present day which initially serves as a contrast to that of Heedo’s. I don’t think the leads wanted to break up either, but I admire Heedo for choosing what was best for her in the long run. Her trajectory with Baek Yijin was going to be the same as that with her mom in terms of the absence and all the disappointments (which started before the LDR), so you can’t blame her for not wanting to live like that for the rest of her life. The finale was sad because naturally we’re all rooting for true love to win against all odds, but I think the couple had closure with their final remarks and the diary entries, so I’m not too peeved about the way things turned out.

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Hell yes. They clearly *wanted* to be together, but it wasn't best for either of them, and letting their closure be them erasing the regret they had for hurting each other during the breakup left me with a crying-induced headache lol.

They meant SO MUCH MORE to each other than simply romantic partners, and it kind of feels bad to see them boiled down to those two roles by so many shippers.

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I loved it. Even if I would have been utterly happy to have our couple together at the end, the drama didn’t lied once to us. In first episode Min Chae says something like “oh, mum’s first boyfriend” and that was true.

It was so real. I loved it because it was real. Life is like that. People love each other with all their will and then they break up and it leaves a whole that time can never totally fill, most of the times because we all think about what would have been.

But I loved it, I smiled through all the final episode, sometimes with happiness, as when Ji Woong proposed Yu Rim, sometimes half squeeing as when Seung Wang meets again Yi Hyun, and sometimes in real sadness as when Yi Jin and Hee Do realise they have to break up no matter how much they love each other.

I loved that the drama went for real feelings and real love and real breakup. You can’t eat love, that’s something I always say. No matter how much you love someone. You just can’t live only on love.

Thanks drama. You will be forever in my heart.

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Well they should have been had the breakup. The being away from each other started way before the 9/11 assignment. The ending was a waste of time.

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AGREE! When they rang in the year 2001 in episode 15, I knew they were going to use the events of 9/11 as the beginning of the end. Before the finale was available this morning, I saw the outrage on Twitter, so I didn’t bother to watch. Such a disappointment to an otherwise great show.

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Somehow that ending would have been less painful.

Opinions from here on are disorganised and very fresh from finishing the ep so this could change after I have calmed down in probably a few days? weeks? months? or probably years....

I know I know that we have been warned that they are not the end game. Heck, they've been telling us from day one. I just cannot reconcile as of the moment, how can soulmates and one of the most well-written couple in dramaland have the saddest ending? Why can't we get the usual handholding-kissing-walking-towards-the-sunset-ending????? The love in their eyes in that 2009 scene was heartbreaking. Their love was one of the purest I've seen in Kdramaland and to have the end like this...felt disappointing to say the least.

2521 is like my first love. I shall remember the good times and I shall forget the bitter taste of how it ended.

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Pure is the word. Their love really was something else.

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I have rewatched the OTP scenes in the last ep...

I'm sad. That was the most realistic and saddest break up ever. It felt like they broke up with me TT__TT

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That is how I felt too 😭

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Breakups take time to heal...and that'll be me for the rest of 2022 TT__TT

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Yes, I have been so heavy hearted and grieving since yesterday and this is it. I feel like I got MY heartbroken, like I was broken up with.

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They broke up with us. TT__TT

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and no, I want Baek Yi-jin to be alive xD He went through a lot and dying without reuniting with fam and maybe meeting the love of his life would be too cruel.

I now know which drama ending to watch if I want to cry real hard.

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Haha so true. I usually don't cry in dramas, but was proper weeping through the last episode....

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"how can soulmates and one of the most well-written couple in dramaland have the saddest ending?"
YES!! There are so many other dramas where I could live with the OTP breaking up. This one, though! They were literally made for one another but his stupid career got in the way. *Wipes away tears*

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IKR! *hugs*

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But... but...

His career wasn't just a career, and his work trajectory was so moving for his character. He was one of the few or only people who got in without a college degree, and he turned that into being the youngest anchor on the network. Such a moving journey. A big reason I loved their 'reunion' interview was seeing how far they had come.... from a girl fighting to find a coach and a young man whose dreams were utterly squashed, into a gold-medalist and anchor meeting each other after reaching their dreams (and knowing that it was each other who helped them get there) was so so so beautiful to me.

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Which they could have done together as well...if they fought for it more. I do understand the writer's intention. It just feels a little sad that it ended this way.

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The way I saw it, Hee-do clearly didn't want to be in that relationship any more, and the idea that she should've pushed past that feeling and stayed in a long distance relationship for years just because of what they had together during the good times isn't what I consider a happy ending tbh.

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Btw, if my comment comes across as confrontational, that's unintentional. I was just adding on. I don't think your perspective is invalid, just different from my own lol

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@zestileigh I totally get that as well. But I wanted to tell the writer that time skip exist and that they could have met again in the future...not necessarily ending up together but I would probably accept that as an ending as well.

And no worries about that, it doesn't really sound confrontational xD

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In that case I wish we’d had more of an emphasis on his work and how it was important to him, rather than it being a plot device which was totally wrecking his mental health. I didn’t necessarily need them to be together, but I wanted an uplifting ending where we saw more of the positive influence of their relationship - like the interview scene…

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I know it's unrealistic to always want happy endings 😑

Anyway, my take home message is don't date a journalist

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Disagree. Like, really really really disagree.

I found it refreshing to see a realistic take on a relationship that burned out due to circumstances that were neither unnecessarily tragic nor unrealistic misunderstandings. To be perfectly honest, I found the romance between the leads the least compelling storyline of the drama. I mean, I didn't hate it. Not at all. But rather it was the intertwining relationships between the friends and how they changed over the years.

This was a nicely done drama, that ended in a way that felt real. Endings aren't always tragic or dramatic, and while they can still make us sad, life goes on.

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Well said.

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Can't agree more.

I understand many people wanted a happy ending or to know who Hee-do got married with. But that would have taken the focus out of what the drama has always been — youth, young love, friendships.

Like you, the friendships appealed to me more. I like the leads' romance but I had a feeling from the start that they were bound to break up. It's their first love after all, and there are few people who end up marrying their first love.

The ending felt so much closer to reality than it would have been had the writer forced Yi-jin and Hee-do to end up together.

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Yes, the drama would not have the poignancy that it did if they ended up together. What set this drama apart from the cookie-cutter relationships aplenty in dramaland was how it portrayed a supportive relationship that broke down naturally. The traits that we love in Yi-jin (his sensitivity to the pain/suffering of others, his protectiveness of Hee-do, the calling he feels for his job) contributed to the breakdown. Time and again, he wasn't able to confide in Hee-do (choosing instead to take all the pain himself). We see this when Yu-rim went to Russia. When 911 happened, it was something bigger than himself or his relationship with Hee-do. He loved her, yes. But when it was time to choose, he would always choose to participate in the unfolding events, rather than Hee-do. Ironically, the relationship might not have broken down if he had stayed in sports. But his experiences in New York put him on a totally different life trajectory. It's not an uncommon story - childhood pals drifting apart etc. Life just happens.

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I didn't hate the ending at all. There was so much more to the drama than the leads' relationship and while I would have loved a happy ending I am happy with everything else the drama gave me. Sometimes love survives trials, sometimes it doesn't and that's ok.

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Disagree. This drama was primarily an ode to youth and they were telling that to us in the face since the very beginning. It's us who kept their hopes high for a kdramaesque happy ending. Though, I was rather annoyed that the writer kept tricking us in the last episode with them meeting again and again.

However, I'm satisfied with what they showed beacuse as much as we'd like a fairytale, this is the reality. Friends become distant ( as everyone mentions how they only meet at funerals), first loves may not last forever. But I'm glad they showed us that first loves can last too, in the case of Yurim and Ji Woong, though we know that their timeline was rather similar than Heedo and YiJin's.

I also think it was wise of the writer to introduce the present timeline's scenes no matter how much flak the older actress got. This way the writer has been preparing us for their eventual breakup all along. It would have been devastating to see all that unfold in merely one and a half episode. And believe it or not Yi Jin dying would have been clearly worse. That said, maybe it would've been better for us to see how even the friends fell apart so we could understand the underlying melancholy in older Hee Do. Other than that, I guess she was similar to her past self, talkative and all.

Baek Yi Jin finally fulfilled his dream, to bring his family together and it took him 11 years, so I was just happy for them. Yes, a part of me really wanted them to end together nonetheless but it was evident that can't happen. They both had their own struggles and the circumstances just didn't permit them to be part of each other's lives. But yeah, that interview in 2009 felt like Heedo was emotionally cheating on her spouse because she clearly liked someone else. Though maybe, support is the word. They moved on from longing for eachother and only hold support for one another.

I will remember this pair fondly that didn't become an OTP because they held much more than love for eachother and we've been a part of their journey. Kudos to the writer, will look forward to her other projects.

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I found it interesting that they never showed Hee do's husband. I suppose that would have made the internet blow up haha

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From a storytelling point of view, it made more sense not to show him. Keeps viewers hoping that Yi-jin and Hee-do can somehow end up together, which heightens the emotional investment.

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I think it was a good choice. He wasn't important to the story they were telling. In my mind, I imagine her husband was a fellow fencer since she would have spent most of her time at the training center.

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@wapzy Thanks for saying what’s in my heart. I have no problem with the ending because we were given hints from the very beginning that they won’t end up with each other. However, I was secretly hoping that the writer would surprise us with a twist.

I’m heartbroken, I was affected but it was beautiful. No, killing Ye Jin would make me very angry.

I saw Hee Do and Ye Jin’s relationship more as a deep loving friendship more than a passionate one. Ye Jin was somewhat a hesitant boyfriend who truly cared, compared to Ji Woong who was more upfront and knew what he wanted from the very beginning. He even flew to Russia despite not having a lot of money.

My take? Loved it though it was painful.

I have a feeling there will be a season 2 where Hee Do and Ye Jin will meet again and get back to each other’s arms. My theory is the present day Hee Do lost her spunk and lacked joy either because she got widowed or divorced.

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That is how I see the present Heedo. There is a sadness around her... and maybe that's one of the reason I am also sad about the ending. (I somehow hope that they did not changed actress.) If i could've sensed that she was truly happy, then I would be ok.. but i feel like she is not and that broke my heart.

I just realized also that I wasn't crying because they broke up. I cried so much because that beautiful friendship did not flourish further... and it hurt so much I feel like I am also in a middle of a breakup or I lost a bestfriend.

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Totally agree with your thoughts @tizzy. We can be satisfied with the ending while the same time heartbroken for the couple and their journey. Plus Mai you're right, there is some melancholy around older Hee Do but Tizzy she's clearly not widowed because in one episode Hee Do mentioned it to Min Chae how her dad can't be back right now because he has to quarantine. I personally don't even think she's divorced. I feel the melancholy around older Hee do is only because she is a character used to portray nostalgia of bygone days, nothing more. This was also indicated in their 2009 scene where they no longer meet often and as you said Mai, that actually hurt me more than the breakup, becoming strangers to people who were part of your youth.

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Also btw for people who dig the realistic approach of the show, I totally recommend watching Yumi's cells. It's another slice of life romance done tastefully and 25 21 is the only other similar show I can think of that has managed to keep all angles of love in consideration.

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No way that I would be okay with Yi jin's death. I loved the ending even though it broke my heart. Hee do took the right call at the right time of the relationship. One thing that would maybe have eased us after the breakup was showing how they coped and came out of the breakup. Maybe then it would have reduced this feeling as if I have experienced my first break up

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True that. They needed another 5 minutes in 2001 before going for a time jump in 2009 so that we can understand how they moved on for better. Hee do is more mature than several characters. She knows what's right for her and doesn't back off. Also it would've been much more devastating if BYJ died after all his struggles and not even having his family together.

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Yeah, we needed more scenes of them recovering - and Yi jin actually enjoying his job!

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I don't hate it. I just don't think the journalist reason was enough it was more than his job and the fact that we couldn't see them overcome that part of their love is sad. The only part that leaves a bitter taste is with all the future elements we have seen since episode 1 we didn't really find out anything about their current day lives. Not just heedo (future husband) & yejin but the others as well. I could be just another helplessly romantic but i find it sad that someone's first love is such a big part of their lives even when they have moved on.

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I ugly cried a lot, but at the end of the day I didn't hate it. I thought it would be better to get this happy ending, no matter how many mental shortcuts and unbelievable coincedences we'd get (so in a good ol' k-drama fashion), but to see them so in pain, and so broken over this made me realize that this was just not their time. They got hit with life, it was too much to handle and they had to make a choice. Their love, as strong as it undoubtedly was, was simply not enough. And now I' crying all over again. But still, I don't hate it. This drama is just bittersweet incarnate, with the sweetest kind of sweet, and the bitter that balances it all perfectly.

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This drama made me think of my mom cousin first love story. They meet as teens growing strong bond, but circumstances made them drift apart. Years later both married to different people also having kids, he thought of her one night and started searching for her on facebook. He did find her and they start chatting... At that time she was divorced as it had been a bad marriage. Long story short they reconnected and now married.
The way they present present day DH made me think how she still have lingering feelings, and if they meet again they maybe could have worked out like the cousin did.

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I agree - I want to imagine them together like the classic parent couple in Hosplay.

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I understand that they didn't ended up together. Maybe it's just me.. but somehow I feel like they became strangers, and that's one thing I don't like. I mean somehow they do belong in one circle of friends.

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Hee-do's mom mentions having seen him recently. There's no reason to believe they are strangers, they just exist differently to each other now.

Heck, I just grabbed dinner with high school friends and my first boyfriend was there too. He exists to me as two different people, the person in the past and the person in the present. There is no overlap.

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Nothing could make me want Baek Yi jIn dead. In all honesty, I liked the ending. Not everyone ends up with their first love. Circumstances pulled them apart though I do blame Baek Yi jin just a little bit for it. What annoys me is the lack of information and detailing in the future. Is Baek Yi jin still alive? Does he still live around there? What about the rest of the group? What happened to them? Is Na heedo still married? Divorced? Did she ever love him? I would have been better off without the future timeline.

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Also, am I the only one who noticed the last minute reference to search: www? Cheeky cheeky writer but I'd rather have all the above questions answered.

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Can someone explain the www?

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The website Baek Yi Jin is trying to logon is iBarro, the fictional website from Search WWW. The writer wrote both shows.

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I could be misremembering, but isn't there a quick present-day scene where Hee-do's mom mentions to Hee-do that she recently ran into Yi-jin? So I think it was established that he's still alive.

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That's the scene that made everyone think he might be dead. The way she phrased it, it could also mean that she visited his grave.

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There is an end credit scene (present day) on Netflix with Baek Yi jin. He’s still alive. But you need to watch it and you’ll understand.

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Was it the best ending I’ve ever seen? No. I’m okay with them not going with the standard tragic death for our ML and there were some great moments. Hee Do and Yu Rim’s bits were great, and the actual conversations between our leads were heartbreaking.

I did find the tail end of the episode a little lackluster. Felt like they were just throwing great moments at the wall through a slideshow to garner emotion instead of writing it in properly like they’d done for the entirety of the show.

Thankfully an okay ending (for me) doesn’t ruin an amazing show. To be fair they’d have had to REALLY dumpster that ending to get me to turn my back on it…like DDSSLLS level bad. I’d have preferred them to nail the landing but…endings are hard.

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That was an awful ending. Not because they didn't end up together...because of EVERYTHING else.

My personal story: boy meets girl at 22 and 19. Boy and girl start as friends, and then date. Boy graduates college, moves thousands of miles away. Boy gets busy, girl misses him, they break up at 23 and 20 -- and they break up with a sad conversation that left many things unsaid. So they keep talking and visiting one another because they can't let go. Girl enters medical school. Girl dates someone else and boy says this is finally the end of them and they finally stop talking for the first time in 2 years. Girl realizes Guy #2 is the wrong one for her, breaks up with him, and immediately calls boy, who is still thousands of miles away. He quits his job, moves to be a little closer to her (without taking a hit in his career---which a journalist can do, too, by the way...), and they continue a painful long distance while he is busy at a new job, and she is busy in medical school. They argue a lot. They miss each other constantly. They almost break up many times. They take late night trains and buses just to be with one another. And finally, after lots of discussion and tears and smiles, they end up in the same place 5 years later. And are now happily married.

So "realistic" doesn't need to mean breaking up. But even if it does, a "realistic" ending needs to do that particular relationship justice. This entire relationship was built on communication, trust, support. And the break-up was a unilateral disaster with no second-thoughts, no conversation between the two, little self-reflection, and no attempts to fix anything that went wrong in the relationship. Life is rarely so neat and tidy, and people constantly waver over break-ups.

Things this ending got wrong: no character development (despite spending the entire show telling us that the ML and FL are mature beyond their years, the ML decides to take a job overseas without talking to his partner, and the FL decides she can't be alone and just ends the relationship), no communication between the leads (this was a break-up decided fully by one party, which no matter how "right" it was for the people at the time, is not how two individuals who have been in a deep and loving relationship for years behave. They also don't break up over a single fight....), terrible pacing (this was actually the worst-paced show I've seen in my life - 14 episodes to describe the build-up to a relationship that falls apart in half an episode), too many extraneous plot points (what was the point of the daughter, the future mother who had NO resemblance to her earlier self), and deep injustice done to the main characters (what happened to the ML in the future?).

I'm all for nostalgia and the "joy of a first love" but this writer, in the guise of trying to keep things "real", did a huge disservice to her characters and to the first 3/4 of a show she wrote beautifully.

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Fair point. I was disappointed that there was so much build up to disaster. :(

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I agree so much with this.

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Yes to all of this!! Could not have said it better!

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Thank you! Couldn't have said it better.

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Completely on point. The ending/aftermath of the breakup in the last 2 episodes was ironically "unrealistic" considering the main characters' core personalities and the evolution of their "deep, one-of-a-kind" relationship in the first 14 episodes. A disappointing conclusion in the name of realism (for all the wrong reasons) for an otherwise well-written drama.

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I'm on the fence about this one. On one hand, I have no problem with how the main plot played out - even though I find it difficult to believe that Yu-rim and Ji-woong made it while Hee-do and Yi-jin, I equally find the way the latter couple broke up to be really believable and very much to capture that rosy bittersweet the drama has had since the start.
That said, the whole theme of everything blowing away like pillars of sand has triggered the little existential niggle inside me that keeps me awake at night, so I can't say I liked the ending either. It's a wonder I got through it, when I still can't touch the last episode of Reply 1988 because I know how it ends and genuinely don't think I can swallow it.

Beautiful show, but not exactly the thing you wanna be watching when you're struggling to grapple with the inevitability of deterioration and death😂

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In that case, definitely do NOT watch 39.

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Oh, I've already been warned 😂

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I am one of those who do not want Heedo and Yi Jin to end up together. All those crazy theories baffled me, tbh.

It is pretty evident that the writer wants a first love story which cannot continue in the adulthood. But, HeeDo and YiJin were more than just first loves, so whichever plot that separates them will seem weak. But, that's life, isn't it? You cannot take anything for granted.

The tunnel scene in episode 16 (the real fight, not the imaginary one) was the highlight of ep 16. They both regret saying those things, but I do think it had to happen.

2521, from what i see, is the most buzzworthy drama of all time. That alone is the writer's success.

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Rainbow was the perfect word to describe their relationship for me, not love. I didn't want them to cross that boundary because I genuinely felt that they didn't develop Bark Yi Jin 'romantic' feelings for Her Do enough. So when he rejects her after the 2000 kiss by saying it's a 'Dont hurt yourself' kinda love, I believed him. Then they went on to make them into a couple and I was like aaaaaight.
Anyways, the breakup happened on very solid reasons, however, given how monumental and significant to themselves the writers showed their rainbow relationship to be, they shouldn't have treated it like a normal first loves breakup. These characters understood how much they needed each other and they understood the reasons for their breakup. So it would've been more realistic if they tried to show them giving a go at their relationship again and trying so hard and then failing. Not a toxic on and off situation but a genuine effort on both ends and then life happens stuff.
On a side note, there really was no need for the present day timeline.

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This finale was bittersweet, I wanted more time with the squad and seeing their dynamic in the present day in 2021. I am very relieved that Yi-jin didn't die and that Hee-do's mother doesn't have dementia, I saw a few other wild theories going around.
For me, I think by ep 4 it was confirmed that Hee-do and Yi-jin would not be endgame or together in 2021. I thought this drama would be celebrating first love, the dreams of the youth, the times when we thought we could have it all. And it did that, I enjoyed seeing Yu-rim and Hee-do's friendship grow, Seungwon and Jeong Woong, the friendship between Yi-jin and his sunbae. The bond between Yi-jin and Hee do and how they spurred each other on to keep trying to do their best.
I think this is why the no contact in the present day feels a little off, after everything they have experienced together, I would have thought they would at least be friends and in each others lives.

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I have been mad since I saw that ending and I am still trying to understand it,did I legit waste 16 hrs of my life,rave about this drama to get that???
Like can the writer make that ending make sense??

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Disagree. 1000x. BYJ death will then be too cliche and a cop-out by the writer. If she went this route then she will be a coward, imo, for not sticking to the story she wanted to tell. Also if they magically ended up together per the internet theories. I am one of those who consider this as not just a story about the OTP, but a coming of age of all 5 characters. They found love, friendship, passion, and most of all they found out who they wanted to be. BYJ who was the most lost, ended up finding what his true calling was and that is why he stayed in NY. I think the show wanted to tell us that with the scenes on how he was affected emotionally by his own news stories. In the end, they all found their passion and pursued them mightily and experienced the best days of their lives. It was a happy ending. Min Chae, pretty much told us the what the writer wanted to say, when she said she is restarting ballet again and why.

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Hot Take: This show went downhill since Episode 11.

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I completely agree with your hit take. It was as if I was present for a truly hateful ending for the leads. Hee-do just merrily goes on with her husband, not blinking twice about her truly first love (not crush). Her cold hearted, unsupportive mom ( who literally had about one day of human warmth with her daughter) is all of a sudden a sweet grandma type baking cookies ( I’m taking dramatic license here in the kitchen.) Yi-Jin just seems to shrug his shoulders ( yes, after a boatload of tears) and moves on to be this robotic anchor, eerily similar to Hee-do’s mom) and pines for decades about his “first love.” Sucky ending. Yes, not all endings need to be happy, happy, but everyone seems way too cavalier about their deepest relationships. Only Ji-woong & Yu-rim have relationship fortitude throughout this series. Therein lies the failure of the writer to honor the depth of the main leads love for each other, which because of the stellar acting of leads created much depth and pathos between the two that as an audience member it is hard to just dismiss them as young love that just dies an inevitable death. Yi-Jin dying covering a foreign war assignment would have made more sense than this abrupt change of character for Hee-do that seems awkward and forced. Definitely not a series I would rewatch, which I love to do. Sigh.

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It's not what I wanted but it matched the story. The problem with this stab-of-realism ending is that you really ought not to spend 12 (generously) to 14.5 episodes out of 16 total giving us the fluffy feel-goods. Subvert expectations, reimagine away, but if you do it in a hurry right at the end it just comes across as lazy speed-angst (see Pretty Noona for details).

My other hot take is that the director got a solid WWW reference in there in the final denouement, with ML trying to log into Barro Search, the site he hadn't logged into in so long.

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It looks like I saved my self from heartbreak and disappointment when I stopped watching this drama in the middle of episode 2. The moment I realized that the daughter doesn't have same last name as the ML, I thought the romance wouldn't end well. Okay, maybe 25-21 wasn't just about the romance, but for me romance is the aspect I care the most in dramas and I want it to end with clear happy ending.

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Somewhat agree. I don't mind that they broke up and didn't end up together. Sometimes first loves are just that -- the first. They are so lucky to have experienced a first love such as theirs.

However, the present day storyline wasn't needed; it didn't bring any value to the drama. That's why the end is so unsatisfying. The whole found diary and 'faux time travel to say what you wish you had said' ending was dumb and felt out of step with the rest of the story.

Also, do we really need another finale where we don't get to see the male lead's face at the end? No, no we don't.

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I think you've summed it up beautifully! What did the modern day storyline actually add? I can only think of one thing, that Hee-do continued with woodwork after making the chair for her Dad. That's it.
Okay, wait, that's not entirely true. Thematically, it makes sense to have it. It just doesn't do anything at all for the characters and that's frustrating.

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Well, I certainly wouldn't have preferred to watch Yi-jin die!

But although I found the ending perfectly in-tune with the spirit and themes of the show, it was not particularly enjoyable or touching for me personally.

Like others have said, I don't think the writer was ever ambiguous regarding Yi-jin and Hee-Do's romantic fate. I know there were theories floating around that maybe there would be a twist, but once the show established that Hee-Do's daughter didn't recognize the ex-boyfriend in the photos, I knew there wouldn't be any other explanation than the obvious one: that these two had a beautiful love when they were young, but were now adults with perfectly fine lives that didn't include each other.

As a lover of romantic dramas who is fully versed in and at peace with the reality of first loves rarely leading to forever loves, I feel no shame in admitting that I like my fictional couples to end up together unless I'm shown a very good reason why they shouldn't. I also don't feel that a piece of fiction has to reflect real life (which is often random, complicated, trying, and beautiful in unexpected way) to be worthy of critical praise or respect. In short, I didn't feel that this ending made 25/21 any better--it was already an excellent drama--and I would have preferred either a) that we were never given a present-day timeline at all or b) we were, and Hee-Do and Yi-jin were together in it.

I still think 25/21 was a wonderful show with amazing performances, cinematography, and dialogue. I don't regret watching it and I'm not bitter or angry. But still . . . yeah, I wish it had ended differently.

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From our first meeting with HD until her retirement, HD showed amazing growth and depth. YT blew it. One of the most beautiful declarations from HD to him was her pledge to be part of his life, through despair, through had times and in times of joy. If he had shared with her, this venting could have perhaps spared him some of the anguish he experienced. He bottled it all inside, robbing her of the chance to help. There is a life lesson I learned decades ago from 'The Little Prince'. As the fox told him, "You are responsible for what you tame". He had a responsibility towards HD and he refused to honor it. Sadly, they both paid.

On a brighter note, the match in Madrid and the ending with the unabashed love between HD and YR was one of the best scenes I've ever watched. That made the series worthwhile.

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I totally agree. This ending didn’t make sense when both of them were so much in love and we saw from the whet go how heedo was such a mature and strong character. So even though she had that abandonment history with her mother, this still didn’t make sense because she is the one who always fought and supported everybody around her being the pillar.

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I agree. Also, her mother really abandoned her - not saying sorry or explaining why she said what she did about the medal. Her mother betrayed her friend without talking to her first. BYJ was different. He had to work, but he was there for her when he was there. BYJ talked to Ko-Yurim first before breaking the story. I thought they were having a really good discussion at first when he was explaining that he was depressed in NYC and traumatized by 9/11, and she would have understood that, just like she understood why Ko-Yurim didn't reply to her messages in Russia.

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My read - when I saw the YR's inbox, all the messages were from HD, none from JW. To be honest, I was surprised when they reunited. She really was saddened by the lack of email from JW and that made her feel really isolated.

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That's actually how I first interpreted that YR inbox . I thought that YR and JW had broken up because it looked like all the messages were from HD and none from JW. And so I first thought she got sad from that. And then stopped replying to HD because she couldn't be honest. But even there, I wanted YR to write that and to communicate that. So HD understanding YR's lack of communication made me think she could understand BYJ. (And I just don't think he would have applied for a position in NY without first discussing it with her. I don't think that's at all realistic in the relationship that they had.)

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I am at work now, but I just feelso down. Like really down and disappointed. I mean hey, each one of us are dealing with out individual heartaches, pains and failures in our real world. We would have wanted to escape from all these and watch a happy ending for 25-21. But no, we were slapped with an open and vague ending. Jt just breaks my heart.

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I didn’t fully dislike the ending. I can accept from a story perspective that Hee-do + Yi-jin’s relationship didn’t work out. Sometimes people can love each other with their entire beings, but circumstances just don’t allow them to be together. Twenty Five Twenty One was the ultimate love letter to youth and nostalgia, and from that angle, our leads not ending up together does kind of make sense. Love is hard but unfortunately, not all-encompassing enough to overcome the bitter realities of life.

That said, it does make me sad that practically everyone else got their happy endings and our leads didn’t - romantically speaking. You’re telling me Yu-rim + Ji-woong and even freaking Seung-wan + Yi-hyun managed to stay together (something I’m genuinely happy about!!), but not Yi-jin + Hee-do? That hurts. Why did the writer have to this dedicated to breaking my heart, goddamit. Also, I wish the actual ending wasn’t as open-ended as it was. Was it really that hard to get even a small glimpse of Yi-jin in the future timeline? What is it with concurrent-timeline dramas deliberately refusing to show their male leads in the future timeline? Ultimately, I don’t think we really needed the present-day storyline. It felt removed and dissonant from the rest of the show.

Overall, my feelings are mixed, but man it sure hurt like hell.

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As y’all can see, my thoughts and feelings are all over the place except that I’m sad.

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i totally agree with you! i wish we got more from the future timeline and actual closure rather than an open ending. i finished this drama wanting more, it wasn't enough. i felt like we ended the drama the same way we started it without any insight as to how yijin is doing in the future, i would've loved to see older yijin, i think i wouldve been able to get over the fact that they didn't end up together if we got to see a bit more of how the other characters are doing in the future.

and yeah i mentioned how the drama was probably trying to be realistic with yijin and heedo's relationship, but then i realised it doesn't really make sense how yurim and jiwoong and everyone else were able to get their happy ending but heedo and yijin :(

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I definitely wish they had not included the present-day storyline. The present day Hee-do we can't recognize just made the whole thing so much more depressing. And with a husband who is away for the pandemic and doesn't know his daughter quit ballet.

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I loved the characters and the cinematography. The actors were fabulous. The fencing proposal scene was awesome. No, I would not want Yi Jin to have died. But I was very disappointed in the ending.

For me, I watch Kdramas as an escape from work stressors and the awful news stories we hear daily. So, I want an HEA for the OTP. Current Hee Do did not seem like a very happy person. And we never saw current Yi Jin. I loved these two as a couple! His honesty, wearing his heart on his sleeve, and her boundless joy that was even greater when they were together. The way they looked at one another!! But we never saw either one of them having a truly happy ending! Did Hee Do love her husband the way she did Yi Jin? She didn't seem to miss him. Did they divorce (she was not wearing a ring in the present time)? Did Yi Jin ever marry, or feel fulfilled in his life wedded to his career? Did he continue to miss Hee Do and wish he'd made different choices? Did she? They obviously still had strong feelings for each other in 2009.

I felt let down by the ending. All that happiness leading up to an ambiguous present. So, I imagine a part 2, where she is divorced and they meet again and find that their love is still there... And they've matured and are no longer traveling separately all over the world...voila happy ending.

This is the first time I've watched a drama before it ended. I always Google happy or sad ending? - just that, not what happens - and then decide what mood I'm in before starting to watch. This will be the last time.

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Did you see the after credit scene?

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Yes. BYJ is still working. He enters his pw recovery "first love" as NHD. Not his current love, not his forever love, just his past. I took it to mean that he had loved her years ago. Nothing more. Did you have another interpretation?

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AMEN!!!

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Disagree. As long as he's alive I can still somehow convince myself that they'll end up together. But that was a really sucky ending and for what? For Heedo to experience a real break up? Might as well rename this as 'Fencing Sisters' since the series celebrates yurim's and heedo's friendship instead of fooling us with the yijin and heedo's rainbow.

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So then should I continue to watch this or not? 🙍‍♀️ I'm sure regardless the ending I don't want to see Yi-jin die! How can you want your beloved character die for the sake of story unless his life is too painful to live on? 🤦‍♀️
I have enough realities to hit me so what K drama is for?

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i don't really know how i feel about the finale... on one hand i really do get what the writer was trying to do and the message of the drama overall, i mean it was no secret that yijin and heedo didn't end up together. i think a part of the problem i had with the finale was that i still had hope somehow that they would find a way back together especially with all the theories floating around as the show was on going.

another reason i'm so upset about the finale is that kdrama couples always have a way of getting back together no matter how many years pass in the time jump. and a relationship like heedo and yijin was so well developed and strong and they were so right for each other, and i know it's a case of the right person and wrong time but i'm upset that they never found their way back to each other. i get that the drama was trying to be realistic but i kind of wish now they went the typical kdrama route with a reunion/happy ending.

i also wish we had more time with yijin and heedo as a couple, their relationship was so fleeting and that makes me so devastated. i don't hate the finale, this drama was truly one of the best i've watched but i have a hard time getting over sad/bittersweet endings

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Agree! Also, they showed that Yurim and Jiwoong did long distance, and Yijin’s bro waited ten years for Seungwan. But Heedo and Yijin just fell apart in months? I guess it happened too quickly, and didn’t feel convincing enough, even though they told us what to expect.

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How did Yurim and Ji Woong survive the long distance relationship which was far worse and they didn’t have half the bond Heedo and Yijin had? I mean theirs was puppy love which blossomed into a mature love because of their hardships. How did the mature couple go the opposite way and the naive couple weather the hardships? I don’t get it.

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Ji Woong put Yurim and her career first. His mental health was also better. That was the difference. Both Yejin and Heedo had careers that didn’t allow their relationship to blossom. He didn’t make time for Heedo. Yejin was also depressed with PTSD and needed therapy. His mindset was not in the place to make a relationship work, he needed to work on himself first as well.

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No Ji Woong putting Yurim first was unrealistic and would have taken a huge toll on his mental health in the long run. Not to mention he ended up running his own business in the fashion line which is a high pressure job. Just because the drama didn't spend an entire episode highlighting the complexity of their hardships doesn't mean they didn't have it as bad or worse as out main leads. I don't even think Ji Woong ever learnt how to see things from Yurim's POV and don't forget he never found out about her diving. Their relationship had worse hardships but Yijin and Heedo could read each other like an open book. It makes no sense.

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I'd agree with you, but I have a husband that kind of did what JiWoong did, JiWoong supported Yurim from the beginning, idolized her, in fact. There's something totally swoony about that. We never see her emailing or texting JiWoong, but I'm sure that she did when she was in Russia and couldn't email Heedo anymore. We know he would go around the world to see her and he did--neither of the first leads had it in them to do that for the other person. Just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen or couldn't have happened again and again. But I think what you have said has gotten me thinking, so I'm probably going to rewrite the ending of this show for the DB theme of the month. Until then...

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I really see it as a disconnect between what the characters were written to be, and what they actually became.

Baek Yi-jin was written to be a passing boy in her life. He was written to portray the idea that everything passes in life, even young love. I totally understand the desire to write a character like that, especially in a narrative on a strong and dedicated young woman and athlete like Hee-do. But once Baek Yi-jin came alive in the hands of Nam Joo-hyuk, he ended up playing a character that stood taller than the “passing love” that was written, and the Baek Yi-jin that he created was let down by the role that was written for him.

It almost felt like they broke up at the end of the day because they were forced to break up because the script said so. But their chemistry had not worn out. Kim Tae-ri and Nam Joo-hyuk gave life to their characters that outshone the role that was predetermined for them. So, even though they were doomed from the start, watching Na Hee-do and Baek Yi-jin shine together in the hands of those actors was truly an honor.

100% props to the writers for the BUZZ this drama created. And for keeping us all guessing. And for making me stare at a wall after 16 trying to cope with it all. Well frickin done and a total win for the kdrama world. This is real cinema ppl!!!

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You know, I too feel the same that maybe baek yi jin's character wasnt written that strong on the paper. But the way Nam Joo Hyuk portrayed the character, he brought that character to life and made us root for him and maybe that is why it feels like his character deserved more and he and HeeDo definitely deserved each other.

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Oh so interesting, I love what you have said here 👍🏼 It gives me a lot to think about b

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Disagree, the ending wasn't a fairy tale perfect, but still a decent one. Some people just don't end up together. Hee - do already went through several disappointments with her mother being in the news business.

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I agree with you. I think Hee Do’s scars from her mom being a journalist made it difficult for their relationship to survive.

Also, we knew from the start that Ye Jin’s goal is to bring is family back. That job opportunity in the US fast tracked his career advancement and brought his family together.

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AGREE. A realistic ending wasn't the problem if it was done WELL. This was clearly haphazard. They could've shown the character growth or actual thoughts or conversations of them driving apart and how Hee Do came to her conclusion. It was all so ABRUPT and very unlike their characters. You see Hee growing up until then and then bam. Same with BYJ. He shows his growth and them suddenly just becomes dark (which is understable amd yet, that trajectory is so LOST they just show him depressed and drinking and smoking, nit actually see his struggle with the love vs. Job vs. His vicarious trauma). Also it's so unrealistic because literally ANYBODY else could have gone to the US. And even if they wanted to show this "realistic" arc it could have been done so much better like their arc going from friends to lovers you can SEE the struggle the back and forth the final decision making thr angst. Here you see nothing but the final outcome. AnywY overall terrible ending soured the whole drama

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yes, it's not the fact that they didn't end up together but how it happened. their fallout was packed into just 2 episodes whereas the growth of their friendship to a romantic relationship spanned so many episodes that it sucked how it ended, it felt rushed, the characters felt OOC at times, and there just wasn't enough closure to the end of their relationship

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I have to disagree. While this show never really made me fall in love with it, it’s one of the most solid and beautifully directed dramas I’ve seen in a while. The writer had a story to tell and it was clear from the beginning: a bittersweet tribute to different kinds of relationships we have that shaped us and brought us to the present.

I don’t think the main leads' conflict came out of nowhere and I think it’s unfair to say they didn’t try to make it work (the littlest things count, like buying a movie ticket for the next screening because she knew he’d be late, etc). There was simply enough will and not enough way. Heedo and Yijin knew and loved each other deep enough to accept that their lives had parallel trajectories, and for a relationship to work they would have to sacrifice far too much of themselves. It will lead to resentment and a messier, unbearable split and I wonder if even their primary affection for each other would survive it.

Anyway the show was so much more. I bawled over my bowl of grapes at the girls’ hug in Madrid. I just wish we saw more of Heedo and Yurim in the present day.

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AGREE

A more realistic ending would have been:

BYJ reads the diary. He goes to say bye to her and in that scene with the suitcase before they leave they reverse the hasty "break-up" now that he understands her and she realizes what he means to her with some time apart. They try to make things work and actually discuss their issues. Everything about their character development in the show thus far tells us that they would make it work. But even if they didn't, it would be a more realistic way to end this. A relationship of 4 years just doesn't end with a single conversation, even if it's starting to die a slow death before then.

The only way such an abrupt ending is remotely realistic given how deep and long their relationship is an actual death.

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I prefer the ending we got to Yi-Jin dying, but I strongly disliked it. It was disappointing to me because it was rushed and abrupt. I wouldn't have minded an open ending or a past break up and present day reunion, but what we got was an unsatisfying and frustrating end in the name of "realism." I might have been okay with Hee-do and Yi-Jin breaking up for good if Hee-do eventually got over him, but it seemed like she never did, even after getting married and having Min-chae with someone else. There were too many unanswered questions (Who the heck did she end up marrying? Who is Min-chae's father? What are present-day Yi-jin, Seung-wan, Ji-woong, and Yu-rim up to?) and wasted time spent on scenes in the present, which were almost entirely irrelevant and uninteresting. The present-day storyline could've been cut entirely. This drama started with a bang, was great throughout, and ended with a whimper...oh well.

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Why would I watch this sweet love story if it is going to break my heart in the end? No wonder Business Proposal is way better than 2521.

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Honestly I stopped watching Business Proposal because it's way too cute. Although I planned on watching it again after finishing 2521. But I don't know now. I'm still sad about the ending of 2521 It will take time for me to watch another drama again

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