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Extraordinary Attorney Woo: Episodes 11-12

Extraordinary Attorney Woo: Episodes 11-12

It’s the beginning of an office romance for our whale couple and for some other characters, it’s the start of an unholy alliance. This week also comes with a dilemma for our heroine, because what choice is an attorney to make between “protecting” people or sticking with the dictates of her job?

 
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Extraordinary Attorney Woo: Episodes 11-12

This week, we get a case of three friends who pool money to buy lottery tickets on the condition that if one of them wins, they will split the winnings evenly. By a stroke of luck, one of them comes first place in the lottery, but he refuses to abide by their gentleman’s agreement to split the winnings. This is where our Hanbada lawyers come in, as the other two sue the winner for their share.

It’s a tricky case because the money they used to buy the tickets was gotten from gambling which is illegal. But it’s hard to turn them down when the lead plaintiff says he’s desperately in need of the money so he can pay back his lovely wife for being their family’s support system over the years. They seem like a very loving couple who need the money to better the life of their family, and Hanbada takes the case.

Extraordinary Attorney Woo: Episodes 11-12

In the absence of evidence to prove there was an agreement to split the winnings, they need a witness who overheard the conversation. Unfortunately, the witness is reluctant to testify in court, and in their desperation, the plaintiffs attempt to buy his testimony. Of course, Young-woo puts her foot down at all their illegal scheming, but the plaintiffs are not deterred and eventually get another witness.

The new witness is the coffee girl at the gambling house and the opposing lawyer claims that her testimony is due to her affair with the lead plaintiff. They deny the affair, but Young-woo sees a finger heart exchange between them. After winning the case, the lead plaintiff comes to thank Young-woo and asks if lottery winnings are shared with a spouse in the event of a divorce. Young-woo says no, but with the heart exchange in court, she can’t help but be suspicious that he is indeed having an affair and plans to divorce his wife, leaving her with nothing.

Young-woo gets conflicted between sticking to attorney-client privilege, or warning the wife about her husband’s plan. Myeong-seok warns her not to interfere, but thanks to Su-yeon’s advice, Young-woo visits the wife’s shop, and in hypothetical terms, alerts her of her husband’s plan. Hanbada can’t take her case because they already represented her husband in a related case, and Myeong-seok refers her to another lawyer. Jun-ho and Young-woo go to drop her off, and the husband sees them together. He gets into his car and menacingly drives towards them, but a truck of doom appears and crushes his car in the middle of the road. With his death, the wife inherits his share of the lottery win and his life insurance. And though it feels a bit makjang, I guess all is well that ends well.

Young-woo gets a sensory overload on witnessing the accident, and thankfully, Jun-ho is there to hug her in support. Later on, Young-woo thanks Jun-ho for hugging her and tries to explain the rationale behind it, but she doesn’t have to, because he already knows that for autistic people, anxiety can be relieved by putting pressure on the body during a sensory overload. It’s so amazing how Jun-ho is always one step ahead in learning about Young-woo’s needs, and I love that as he does that, he also teaches Young-woo how to put his own needs on par with hers.

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Theirs is one of the most adorable office romances ever, and it’s really cute how Young-woo is totally into Jun-ho, and how well he responds to her Young-woo-like show of affection. That holding of hands through her office glass is one of the smoothest and most heart-fluttering moves I have ever seen, and Young-woo saying that Jun-ho keeps popping in her mind when he’s not even a whale is just squee!!!

It’s unfortunate that Su-yeon’s love life isn’t going so well, but our spring sunshine deserves better than that gigolo guy she met at the club. I’m hopeful that she’ll meet a decent guy soon enough because she’s a great person. Unlike Min-woo, who sinks to a new low each week, having joined forces with CEO Tae to plot Young-woo’s exit from Hanbada in exchange for a position at Taesan. It doesn’t help that Young-woo’s dad is also beginning to consider CEO Tae’s offer to move abroad with Young-woo. Sigh. But now that he has seen Young-woo locking lips with Jun-ho, maybe he’ll reconsider his plans.

Extraordinary Attorney Woo: Episodes 11-12

Our next case involves a company undergoing an M&A, and the restructuring results in downsizing the staff. According to their downsizing policy, married couples in the company are eligible for voluntary resignation, and if one of them doesn’t resign, the husband will be subjected to unpaid leave. But it’s a covertly sexist policy because while the men appear to be the ones on the chopping block, the society is patriarchal and the wives are most likely to step down for their husbands.

When two female staffers sue the company for creating the policy with the intent to fire the female employees, Hanbada comes in to represent the company. They learn that the opposing lawyer is a famous women and human rights lawyer, although she doesn’t have a high winning rate. But she’s pretty much dedicated to her cause and unfazed by anyone including the judge (whom, as we’ve seen in the North Korean defector’s case, is very particular about family ancestry). As it turns out, he and the opposing lawyer are from the same ancestry, although according to the family tree, she’s like an aunt to him. Lol.

In Operation Get Young-woo Out Of Hanbada, Min-woo, under the guise of concern for the female employees, informs Young-woo that Hanbada helped the company to create the discriminatory downsizing policy. He also gives her some supporting documents in the hopes that she passes them on to the opposing lawyer, thereby breaching confidentiality. An already conflicted Young-woo asks Myeong-seok about the policy, and he replies that a lawyer’s job is not to decide between right and wrong, but to defend their client.

Min-woo gets a shocker when he learns about Young-woo and Jun-ho’s relationship, but it’s still not enough to stop his evil plans. Instead, he slips Young-woo’s business card into the policy documents and sends them to the opposing lawyer. He has really crossed all the lines at this point!

At the next hearing, the opposing lawyer submits evidence on the policy – but to Min-woo’s disappointment and my relief, it’s not the document Min-woo sent. In the end, the judge rules in favor of the company because, well, while some policies are just terrible, they are also legally valid. Tsk. It’s not a very happy win for Young-woo who has spent the case being conflicted about contributing to the legalization of firing of female employees thanks to an unjust policy. However, it’s also not a sad loss for the opposing lawyer and her clients, who are happy they went through the lawsuit regardless of its outcome.

Extraordinary Attorney Woo: Episodes 11-12

The opposing lawyer invites Young-woo and Su-yeon to an after-trial party, where she returns the policy documents to a shocked Young-woo. And when Young-woo denies sending them, the opposing lawyer tells her to watch her back at work. Any other lawyer might have used that information regardless of whether the sender would get into trouble at work or not, and I think it was really professional that this lawyer didn’t. Young-woo was right to have described her as a Yangtze River dolphin – a species (now extinct) that adapted to living in the river rather than the sea. The opposing lawyer is a type of lawyer that can’t be found in Hanbada, and just like Young-woo, we hope she doesn’t go extinct.

Apart from dealing with backstabbing colleagues, Young-woo also has a relationship problem to deal with. After her dad spotted their kiss, he asked if she was dating Jun-ho. But apparently, Jun-ho is the only one in the relationship because Young-woo still thinks they’re in the talking stage. Heh. Jun-ho is hurt by her assumption, and as he vents to her, he releases all his frustration about all the dates they’ve been on. So far, the dates have been favorable to Young-woo but not to him, and the only reason he went along with it is because he thought they were dating!

Whether it be her private life or her professional life, there’s a lot of learning for Young-woo to do. She has to make some compromises in her relationship with Jun-ho. And as a lawyer, she needs to find a balance that works for her between trying to do the right thing, and being a professional. I’d say Myeong-seok will be a good sunbae to help her through in this regard, but he also has a lot on his plate – spending the entire case on edge thanks to the release of a client he once defended, who went on to attack his co-attorney on the case. Thank goodness the guy is back in custody. Phew!

With only two weeks left, it is my earnest desire that the drama doesn’t slow down its pace or divert to cliché-land, especially now that PPLs are beginning to make an appearance, and Myeong-seok is coughing up blood (never a good sign in dramaland). Please, let my assumptions be wrong, and let us end as strongly as we started.

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With only two weeks left in the drama I'm a little worried about how they'll tie up all the threads they've introduced (and seem to keep introducing). There's Min-woo trying to sabotage Young-woo so he can get a job at Taesan, his possible relationship with Su-yeon (if the preview is to be believed), Young-woo's thoughts about what it means to be an attorney (which, although it seems to have been tied up by the end of Ep. 12, I could see being brought up again), Myeong-seok coughing up blood (kind of random with everything going on but still ominous), Young-woo's father considering moving to Boston + him finding out about Jun-ho, Young-woo and Jun-ho's relationship (esp. with the new "conflict" they've brought up in the previews), Hanbada CEO still being shady / her wanting to beat Young-woo's mom, Young-woo's birth secret likely being revealed to the public (probably the catalyst for her move to Boston), on top of whatever cases they have going on for the week + something I might've missed + some other new thing in next week's episodes.

I've been loving this drama so far - it's easily become one of my top 5 favorite dramas of all time - but I can see them rushing the ending so that they can fit everything in :(

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I personally think this drama storyline is way more simple and straight forward than we, viewers, imagine lol I think the boston move will never be a real possibility. just a plot device to show her mom perspective about youngwoo and talk and give us scenes where they talk about the importance/ups of having a counselor to help her understand her feelings/emotions, ect. I honestly don't think its suppodely to be taken so seriously (if I'm totally wrong I will be so disappointed LOL).

the preview...... I think it will be solved in the same episode. she will be sad, junho will explain his feelings and everybody will move on.

as you said, I think the conflict about what it means to be a lawyer was already solved in this episode, in a way. I think the whole thing was YW to understand the lesson of context/tone when applying the laws and that the ethic dilemma is something common for other att. I think she will end the drama still working at hanbada, with this team that she clearly likes a lot - I mean... not minwoo.

minwoo is my only ??? I have no idea where this is going. before he went to TSM, I thought he would tell the birth secret to that reporter. I STILL think the drama will try to redeem him in a way, probably with the jeju trip, maybe he will help junho with his parents? but I think this week they took him too far. I don't care about this guy anymore, I wish he could go away.

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I agree that the Boston threat is probably a non-threat.
Young-woo finding an almost-boyfriend ...I get the feeling that dad will like Junho once he sees how good Junho is to Young-woo...will be another reason to stay.

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not just because of junho, but her whole life too. she found a job that might be challenging, but it's something she wants to do. even when she found out that she could be a nepotism case and was not happy about it, she still stayed there. she also have friends there. YW deciding to go to another country no would be so out of character and I think the writer is better than this tbh

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I have my doubs about YW's so called nepotism. In my my country it is more like being scouted.

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I hope she does go to Boston. She needs to get those coping skills stronger. She keeps getting intimated by people in court. It could be one of those time jump things where she comes back to Korea a year later with long hair and walks perfectly while looking folks in the eye. She would have become so strong that no one would think that Jun Ho would have to take care of her. I'm just saying that Boston wouldn't be so bad. Maybe autistic mom just wanted to help her baby.

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She doesn’t speak English, as far as I know. I have absolutely no idea why uprooting an autistic woman from her learned environment, predictable social reactions and routine would be helpful. Not to mention that American law and SK law are very, very different.

As for developing “coping skills” - she’s a high-functioning autistic person. It’s not a quirk that she avoids looking people in the eyes or has an unusual gait and mannerisms, it’s part of her condition. She won’t become neurotypical due to a year abroad, she won’t become neurotypical in any scenario. This is her normal, and she’s worked hard to adjust her normal to society’s expectations and we’re seeing the result right now: it’s limited in scope, no because of effort or desire but because of reality.

And that’s why moving to an entirely different culture seems bizarre. She’d have to relearn almost everything; the suggestion to move to Boston is to get her out of view and sequester her. The therapist suggestion at least had some indication of kind intention; the move to Boston is just nuts.

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Her getting a last minute "cure" would be the worst ending possible and very unrealistic. She has autism, not some quirks that need or can be fixed. It's who she is. If those things you mentioned were magically resolved it would send the wrong message and be quite harming to the autistic community in Korea. The drama has been raising awareness in a country that still has a lot of stigma against disabilities and to give in the end the message that she needs to appear "normal" in order for her to be accepted and have love would be quite damaging. I don't think the drama is going there. What makes the show special is the care with which they have approached the subject, that Jun Ho loves her as she is, her friends and coworkers already accept her too, even Min Woos problem with her is not because of the autism but because he sees her as competition. She doesn't need to present neurotypical in order to have a good life. Of course there are things she could learn better, like how to cope in stressful situations, work on her EQ etc and for that she could have a therapist but I'm sure they have doctors in Korea too.

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I hope they find a way to benefit counseling of autism professionals without going to Boston. I really hope the "break up" or "stay away" arc doesn't happen here

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Expecting an autistic person to be magically "cured" to ne neurotypical is the worst fallacy and myth about autism. Their "issues" are who they are, if the show ends up doing this, then this show becomes the worst drama about autism by far as it will once again mislead the general public about autism.

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“ this drama storyline is way more simple and straight forward than we, viewers, imagine” - my thought exactly.

EAW doesn’t set out to be earth shattering but rather a piece on the personal and professional growth of Young-woo which has been such a joy to me as a viewer. I love how each case prompts her to reflect and improve, which is wonderful to watch. Likewise her relationship with Junho is progressing organically with deep thoughts on both sides.

The spicing up from the birth secret and Min-woo in my view are not that necessary - let’s hope those plot lines do not get overblown in the last four episodes.

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100%. I think the birth storyline could be used to speak about motherhood if it wanted to (but the drama didn't really got there), but it's also not related to her condition so I think the drama would still be the same - and as good - without any of it. minwoo character could still represent the obstacles that youngwoo will have to learn to deal with in a highly competitive workplace, but it didn't need to be so personal.

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I too now think that it wont go the usual kdrama way with contrieved conflicts. I actually don't think the conflict that's hinted in the preview is what it seems. I think that line will be about the two people we see in one of the shots and not about Young Woo and Jun Ho. Of course like she did with previous cases Young Woo will probably relate that to her own relationship but I do think they wont linger on it too much. So far drama has surprised us by not having the usual catty secondary characters (minus Min Woo). Jun Ho is a really nice guy, it's not a strech to think his parents might be too.

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Even with Minwoo, his claws are like kitten claws. His machinations will just be foiled until he can wake-up.

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Touching hands through the window pane was really extremely cute (and I must say, I find Kang Tae-oh's forearms and hands damn sexy).

I'm curious whether Young-woo will decide to move to the other firm. She'll probably be able to identify better with her clients there, but she'll also have to learn to relax and enjoy life outside of work (she seemed a bit irritated that they weren't working on the next cases right away).

I don't know if Min-woo will get his act together. In the meantime, he has spun so many intrigues and tried so many things to get rid of Young-woo that a small miracle has to happen for me to forgive him.

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Seriously, the hands through the pane was something else! The way he kept flexing his fingers as he was talking as if he could feel her touch...

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I am that type of girl who chooses hands and arms over abs any day. When Kang Tae Oh's rolled up sleeve with his watch and bracelet on his wrist get a close up, I have to collect myself. It's maddeningly sexy.

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omg tell me about it - I go gaga over men, rolled up sleeves and watches!!

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YES!! 😍😍😍

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it's funny how many times junho and youngwoo have said how much they like each other by now lol they will face relationship bumps, but what I learned to also expect from these two is that they will be honest with each other so it was really good that junho told her that he was doing all those things because he likes her and nothing else. it might sound a bit harsh, but it's the truth and I think it's good that he communicated that to her and they can find a common ground. also loved how her dad was kinda chill about seeing her kissing a random guy in front of their house. he was just concerned as any other zealous father would be with his kid's first love. nothing more, nothing less. for a minute I thought he would make a big deal out of it, but he learned his lesson to treat her as an adult.

suyeon calling minwoo annoying at every episode is my thing. I love her and I hope we can get some suyeon + geurami in jeju.

I feel bad for myungseok attorney. idk if I 100% agree with junho that he found his answers. I think he's still walking the fine line between being really good at his job and doing what his CEO expects from him and also being conflicted about it. it's still a battle for him, even if he doesn't show. he was so stressed with his fear and overwork that he lashed out at youngwoo and it looked like he was telling all those things to himself too. and this is what makes him a good leader. can't wait to see him in jeju. ep 12 we have a clear parallel between myungseok and the other attorney. he won the case but he can barely eat and is sick because of work, living in fear, while she lost but she is happy with her clients and seems to have a healthy life. I love a good parallel in tv writing and EWA does it so well. I don't think he's terminally sick or anything. for me that was meant to show how he was overworking himself and super stressed. and that he will have his vacation/relax with the next case.

no but youngwoo looks absolutely stunning in white clothes.

last but not least: who needs enemies with a mom like that?!

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oh another thing: youngwoo now knows that minwoo tried to bring her down. I wonder if she will mention that to anyone in the team (even if not intentionally) or just learn the lesson and be more aware of him. imagine if junho knows what he did. I mean.... what minwoo did was terrible in itself but he even went through with it AFTER knowing that yw and jh, his freaking flatmate, are together. that's cold.

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I mentioned in the last 2 eps that Junho might be key to Minwoo’s redemption but after this ep I take that back. That boy has crossed so many lines and this latest one feels like he has gone dark and its bye bye redemption. If he was to have a saving grace it better not be Spring Sunshine pls.

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same! I really thought that junho would tell minwoo that he was dating youngwoo and that would make MW realize how ridiculous he was being. I still think the drama in some way but what I'm more curious now is how youngwoo will react to the latest thing bcs that was way worse than """just""" not sending her case material. will she confront him? will she talk to their boss? will she just learn and be aware? will junho find out what happen?

I know junho and minwoo have always been framed as just flammates that ocasionally talk about some personal things. but I was surprised that junho didn't tell him anything considering they all work at the same place. minwoo is so biased against youngwoo that he can't see the obvious so I thought we would get a scene with junho letting him know whats going on. or he would get the two of them kissing in front of their apartment lol

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Especially since the plan was to get her fired or have her quit. He decides to get her disbarred!

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I don't know how to put this eloquently but I agree they did a good job with showing the contrast between Attorney Jung and Attorney Ryu's approaches to being a lawyer both in court and in the aftermath of their cases. Both of them are seemingly good people,but one is throwing parties and making friends with the clients while the other is literally running scared for his life. Yet like with a lot of other things in this show the answer to the question of which of the two is right is not so simple. Attorney Ryu and her idealized approach sounds better but it's also true that a lawyer can't always like their client or even believe they are in the right, but still have to defend. Maybe Woo Young Woo can become a lawyer that meets those two idiologies in the middle.

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I also felt that the drama didn’t make a clear case of one attorney is better than the other. It showed different aspects of being an attorney. Junho patiently explaining how many attorneys go through this conflict and they have to decide for themselves was great. He also made a good point about the volume of public defender cases a big firm like Hanbada handles just because they have resources from handling corporate cases. I think the show is showing YoungWoo and us that there are different aspects to everything and each person has to find their fit and it’s okay to have doubts or find a path that does not meet the definition of success as defined by others. I think each set of cases is setup as a foil for the growth needed in YoungWoo.

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That was such a good parallel. He subsists on fast-food (and I suspect the blood is probably an ulcer from stress+caffeine+hamburgers) while the other attorney is growing her own vegetable garden. can't wait to see Vacation Myung-Seokie.

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all his scenes in the dark, all by himself meanwhile att ryu having a healthy and sunny rooftop lunch with her people who clearly adore her.

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I spent episode 11 foreseeing things 😩
I had barely finished saying that the dude better not break su-yeon's heart... Sigh
And then I started asking myself, when a truck of doom would knock Min-woo off because I really can't stand seeing him for even 5 minutes but I guess it missed its target this time. Fingers crossed for the next week's episodes.
Protect WYW and Jun-ho at all cost! The writers better not mess with this! We don't need any unnecessary break up or noble idiocy PLEASEEEEE
"I'll be your personal hug chair" I melted.
WYW's dad better continue to be the good dad he has been so far 🙄.
Jun-ho is just perfection and such a master at communicating 😍. He better spell things out clearly to WYW to avoid surprises such "We are not dating"😂 I felt bad for him.

Seo Hye-won needs to play a likeable character.

It looks like WYW has finally learned how to breathe during kisses? 🤭

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I think Attorney Jung is gonna be fine. The lack of proper diet and sleep was consistent throughout the entire episode. That along with the stress of believing that he can be attacked is a lot on the body. He just needs a break or proper vacation.

There is no excuse for Min woo and if this show tries to make him and Sunshine a option, I will write it off for good. Sunshine has not shown on iota of interest in him and does not speak to him or about him in any way that would suggest otherwise. I really think ( or hope) the show is gonna go with her and Hairy Boss trying another date again.

And let me get back to Min woo. He really is dumb as hell. Does he think he really got a job waiting for him at another firm. He really don't know nothing about CEO Tae and CEO Han. They will destroy him and then do it again because he had the audacity to be on their mind after doing it the first time.

And I am glad the show is having Jun ho speak up on these matters and not letting this fester to the point when things can get worse. The one thing you can say for Young woo is once you tell her something, she will take the time to process and decide what to do next.

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Minwoo leaves a lot of trace behind his scheme, and I am pretty sure he will meet his demise soon, @larelle79.

And, looking forward to Myeongseok outing to Jeju next week!!

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Minwoo is really dumb for many reasons. 1) Threatening with a secret revealed to him by a reporter which literally means the secret most likely is going to be out in the open soon. When that happens and supposed he manages to get himself into Taesan, what has he to anchor his place then? In fact it will be score settling time from Tae Su-mi. 2) He really went all out and underhanded in trying to oust YW because he received "by all means" instructions from CEO Tae. But the two are after all mother and daughter. Would Tae Su-mi really let him off after what's he has done? Even stupider is putting YW's name card in the envelope. Who in the right mind would do that if they are snitching on their employer? It just says "this is a set-up'. 3) Minwoo obviously does not have what it takes to survive in a competitive work place. Some people thrive very well because they take such an environment as a challenge and it really makes them perform better. MW clearly can't. He gets jealous of stronger colleagues and I see no upskilling from him after all his complaints. In the cases we have seen him work on he has not put forward any ideas for arguing their defense. It always came from Youngwoo or Su -yeon. So after he successfully lands himself in the even more competitive Taesan, how will he handle his mediocrity? No more preferential treatment of a "handicap" to use as excuse. Actually now I am looking forward to him in Taesan and crushed by his own doing.

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every word.
I think minwoo really thought he had everything he needed to work in such a place but he's constantly reminded that he doesn't. and he can't cope with that. he's not the smartest (YW and their boss are the """geniuses"""), he's not the one with strongest connections (SY's father is a judge, for example), he doesn't even have the best social skills like junho has. he's mediocre in a highly competitive team. the best thing for him would go somewhere else where maybe he would be able to keep up. myungseok is way more patient than I would ever be having him on my team. boy is really a ticking bomb

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Totally agree. Minwoo dont deserve Sunshine. I will set up a one man protest if I have to. Sunshine deserves someone better after that gigolo incident.

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He deserves a break, that last scene was so sad.

Sunshine deserves so much better. They can't end up together.

Min Woo... He's so damn worried about his future that he's destroying his present (and annoying me in the process).

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"The one thing you can say for Young woo is once you tell her something, she will take the time to process and decide what to do next."

--- And I think that's probably one of the things Jun Ho first noticed about her.

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@larelle, Exactly! The show had better not show Minwoo and Spring Sunshine together or else it would be pushing the narrative that romance can change anything. It would be unfortunate for young people to go into relationships with a**holes because they believe love would change their partners. That kind of relationship would be extremely toxic in real life.

EAW has done a great job so far. It had better not mess it up with the toxic romance.

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I'm actually hoping that Dong Geu Ra Mi ends up with
Attorney Jung. She could really lighten his life. Spring Sunshine... I hope there is a last minute wonderful candidate. Maybe Jun Ho has a bro...?

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Gue Ra Mi deserved better than a dude that is trying to get her best friend not only for fired, but make sure she never has a career in law.

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Where’s my personal Junho hug chair for my anxiety, fRAQ.

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If you can't find one, you can buy it here, @sicarius.

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Good internet shop sleuthing! But can you find one with the "personal Junho" part included?

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Yap. Waiting for the link for "personal Junho" chair. Junho is not an optional feature...

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I have a feeling that Jun Ho's mom is autistic.

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I'm happy Junho expressed his frustrations about the dates. When YW made that list I thought "huh? These are all things she wants to do, with or without a BF?" I'm sure they'll clear the air in the next episode but that scene was my favourite.

I kept hoping Minwoo was just a bit lost but would bounce back but now he's clearly got a vendetta against YW and spring sunshine deserve better than him. Don't go there Drama! I beg of you!

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Firstly, our OTP continues to be a bucket of cuteness! The director and writer (and actors) are getting it so right when it could easily slip into cheesiness. I loved the way Junho asked to be her hugging chair and then caught himself thinking about what he was saying, falling into giggles - it's that self-aware moment that stops cheese and makes it so endearing.

Myeongseok, noooooooo! They cannot, *cannot* give a sad ending to my favourite boss! I'm pretty sure they won't, but it kind of broke my heart that he had to go through all that alone - where's his hugging chair? KKY is just killing it - his forgetting article 308 and flapping at Youngwoo to fill in his gap was such a good moment to show how he trusts her and values her.

Seriously, Youngwoo's mum needs a truck of doom! Is she removing her daughter just to save her face? Grrrrrr. But I wonder about Minwoo - a couple of times he looked as if there might be the tiniest glimmer of conscience there - are they going to try and give him a redemption arc? Needs to be serious consequences first - don't just whitewash his (and mum's) wrongdoing, show!

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Everyone seems to forget CEO Han knows..........

That might come into play as well.

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True. Han knows. But she didn't know about the case with Tae Su Mi. That's why I think she's not so bad. She didn't make that case happen. No one knew TSM would be anywhere near that case. And did you notice how she held the elevator door for WYW while she was doing her countdown? She could have just given her the job because she was sympathetic to her dad... And for protection from mom.

I actually think that we might find that mom is trying to protect her baby whale. Sometimes you keep your enemies closer. Anyway, Min Woo is swimming with sharks and will not even see them coming when they take him out. People in positions that high have skills that you can't even foresee.

I love how Jun Ho and WYW wear the same type of shoes.

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About Myeongseok's illness, I guess it won't be that serious. The Drama has in fact sent us some hints that he does have a stomach problem due to his irregular dining schedule (like, during his argument with Youngwoo, he was taking in some medicine). If the screenwriter simply want to address lawyers' terrible workload, I don't mind Myeongseok coughing up some blood.

About that Truck of Doom, I guess I would first consider if it is appropriate or not (Vincenzo has 3, and I don't have complaint about it as well, because they are using it right). After checking some information I know that the case is real up to that car crash (except in the real case, the accident happened 6 months after, not right before the couple starts the divorce process, not even the trial of separating their wealth). Furthermore, the accident doesn't only kill an essential character, but also shows how Junho cares about Youngwoo. In fact, it is the most touching moment in that episode when Junho tries to hug Youngwoo to calm her down. Therefore I have no complaint about it.

The main theme this week is surely about the moral struggle of lawyers when they are representing shady clients. You probably find reasonable arguments on both sides. But for me, the more important lesson for Youngwoo is the meaning of winning a case. No doubt she is competitive, and obsessed in winning (just like her mom, mind you). But what if winning is not such an honorable cause? Attorney Ryu Jaesook* doesn't win many cases in her life, but her life is way more meaningful. So I guess it is time for Youngwoo to re-think about winning and losing, and reconsider her purpose of life accordingly.

*Just a funny trivial: we probably recognized the actress behind the attorney, Lee Bong-ryun in several wonderful drama, playing her characters wonderfully (Hometown Cha-cha-cha, Sweet Home), and I recently know she marry in 2019, and her husband is another wonderful actor, playing the serial killer in Beyond Evil ... Oh my god, how much I miss them both!!

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Re: Lee Bong Ryun's real-life husband, actor Lee Gyu-Hoe
He was also in the recently concluded drama Link: Eat, Love, Kill... another Yeo Jin Goo drama!

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You'd think that the "truck of doom" (lol, love the name) is a contrived drama trope but if you ever go to Korea you'll realize very soon people drive HORRIBLY and in all honesty, buses and trucks will not stop for you or slow down, they really do appear out of nowhere and drive crazy. I'm not even joking. The possibility of getting hit by one if you're not careful is actually a lot higher than you'd think.

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Whether or not EAW gets to show the backstory behind Min-woo's tirades, I hope he gets no redemption. He could have completed in peace, but he didn't.
I hope the writers keep up with his character. No sudden episode 16 euphoria and redemption.

Nothing has to happen to Myeong-seok. That blood cough had better be something trivial.

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This was the first week where the drama disappointed me. I dislike the direction they are going with Min-woo and Tae Su-mi. The scene where Young-woo revealed she was Tae Su-mi's daughter was one of my favorites, and I was hoping they would have Tae Su-mi torn between keeping her secret and wanting to get to know Young-woo. Instead, they chose her wanting to banish Young-woo to Boston and working with Min-woo to make it happen. Sigh. Min-woo was always a little weasel, a somewhat relatable one, but this is too much. No redemption arc for Min-woo, please.

Jun-ho and Young-woo are very cute, and I like how they communicate. I like how Young-woo is always learning, about relationships and what it means to be a lawyer.

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Lee Jun Ho airing out his frustrations *chef's kiss. There's nothing better than communication. I trust though that Young woo will take the necessary corrections and fix her attitude towards her relationship.

Now to the case, the first guy was a total trashbag and I am not THAT angry about the truck of doom . Seriously though, after all the support, he really wanted to leave his wife with nothing. I also noticed something else in episode eleven. Both Suyeon and the wife were only well taken care of by their partners when the men had money to gain. They treated them well because they wanted to be supported financially. I can't imagine that it wasn't intentional.

To case number 2, Aside from Young woo's moral dilemma, I had to note that the drama is trying to tell us that the law is not perfect at protecting those that it's supposed to protect. In a just world, the company should have lost the case. They chose that course of action to disfavour the women intentionally. But it was technically LEGAL. A recurring theme in this drama is the imperfection of the law and of course lawyers.

As for Myungseok's "illness", it better just be stress because I don't have the energy to cry.

On a meaner note, I am starting a petition for Kwon Min woo to get hit by the next truck of doom.

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I thought Myung-seok spitting out blood was the equivalent of the stress-induced bloody nose. He just ran up all those stairs believing he was being followed by someone who wanted to kill him.

I'm hoping the experience with Atty. Ryu will turn out to have been meaningful for him, too. That speech about defending the client's interest, not making the world a better place -- I think we've seen that deep down he's not that cynical. I'd like to see him open his own office and take Young-woo, Sunshine, and Jun-ho with him.

Dad may be thinking about Boston, but Young-woo has no reason to go anywhere. I hope the last 2 weeks will spend some time helping Dad build a better life for himself. Could he be an assistant to Atty. Ryu? Could she be the friend he needs?

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oh god, dad and atty ryu working together would such a nice touch to the drama.

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You are in my brainscape. I want everyone out of corporate law and on that rooftop garden. Dad can make gimbap and do research. Thinking Tae-CEO deserves a snake like Min-woo. Let the karma rain down.
Meanwhile, I got so angry over that plan to fire/devalue hardworking women employees. Gosh, having advocated for shorter ep dramas - I'm now thinking I want to see everyone through to 20!!

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I can totally see Attorney Jung taking YwY, sunshine and Junho and starting his own firm. All of them seem to come from relatively comfortable backgrounds that working for Hanbada seems to be more of a prestige thing than financial need. I’m not sure about MinWoo.
But I can also see this drama not going the idealized way and letting them work in Hanbada and finding their own balance.

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I guess Myeongseok's blood-coughing is more about his comparison with Atty. Ryu then another makjang plot, @lindag. The comparison is Atty Ryu loses but she still can celebrate, and Myeongseok won but always fear, he can't even eat properly and work till midnight. I guess that's why he is planning the next "working trip like an outing next episode.

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It's possible we might get a bit more background on some of our other characters like Min Woo and Jun Ho at some point based on some details they have thrown around ( Jun Ho seemingly not having been to the army, the Nanuri thing, Min Woo and his insecurity) but even if we don't I don't see it as a bad thing, at least where Jun Ho is concerned. With other shows I wouldn't be too pleased with having a character that's not all that fleshed outside of being a lovely love interest but here I'm happy it there's not more to him than meets the eye. He doesn't need a complex background or some explanation for why he likes her, he can be just a regular handsome dude who happened to fall in love . Same for the kisses and their relationship progress, while possibly not entirely realistic for a lot of people with autism I feel it does at least stay true to Young Woo the character and I'm glad the drama went there and she's portrayed as desirable and that they were allowed to just be cute for awhile without jumping straight into the problems they will face as a couple. I think they will explore that too, we already see that Young Woo despite liking him a lot is not at all attuned to his needs or wants and it will be something she has to learn. Given that there are only 4 episodes left I trust they have enough material to fill them with and that they don't have to pull any last minute separation/time skip/Boston trip or makjang mom story line. Feel a bit more confident now that I saw the Min Woo trap didn't go as I expected.

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Jun ho didn't deny he was in the military, he just didn't contribute the info because it excluded Young woo in the meeting.

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True, your reading of that scene might be the right one. It does make sense given what we know of Jun Ho's character, that he didn't reply simply because of the macho posturing.

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Since this is a Netflix drama and it’s reaching into the top 10 at least once or twice a week, Could we be looking forward to a season two? that would be pure bliss for me

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It just aired on Netflix but not a dramas like Squid Game, @lostinthedream, Netflix just bought the right of Extraordinary Attorney Woo to air outside Korea. If it is really a Netflix exclusive, Netflix will give consult service to the production team, even lend their own studio to them (exactly what Squid Game has done).

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Seo Hye-won is showing up in all the dramas! Business proposal, Alchemy of Souls, and now this - all with completely different characters and vibes!

The ladies of Mir Life were the winners this week. And I noticed some men in the protest group too. YAY for male allies!! Much like last week with Mr.Fart and the dark side of the academies, I wonder if some companies are now anxious because they have similar discrimination policies. The ladies lost the trial, but I'm sure there was a lot of bad press about the company.

I loved the introduction of Mr.Salt, Ms. Pepper, and Attorney Soy Sauce! Su-yeon giving Attorney Soy Sauce a sympathetic pat on the cap was cute.

I also loved how Junho was honest about how he felt about the dates and I think that sort of honesty works with Young-woo who gives serious consideration to what the other person is saying because she is self-aware enough about herself. I really want the dad to meet him and find that he's not just some dude randomly kissing girls.

A truck of doom doing something good for once! It stopped and it looks like the driver even got out to check on the dead guy, which is rare.

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I love the introduction of Mr Salt, Ms Pepper and Attorney Soy Sauce too! And how Young-woo replayed it while at the gimbab place, with Jun-ho playing along with it. Su-yeon giving Attorney Soy Sauce a sympathetic pat on the cap was heartwarming indeed.

Seo Hye-won looks sexy in the lottery episode! She's a scene stealer! I love the actress playing Attorney Ryu too. I must try to remember their names!

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Lee Bong-ryun was perfectly cast for the warm, loud, and righteous Attorney Ryu. She's so good!

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Thanks for bringing up male allies! We need to see so many more of them in drama and on media in general, we know there are many there IRL but need loads more to get where we need to be!

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in the eyes of the truck driver, the man was a sports car of doom.

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Yap agree... This one is the sports car of Doom. It's not the truck fault that the sport car made a sudden illegal U-turn.

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Spoiler alert
Favorite moments in the last two episodes: Spring sunshines arm blocking attorney woo during the race to catch the taxi - I love her instinctive protectiveness, and Jun ho’s willingness to do anything for her even though it involves a car full of all the rest of the coworkers, Attorney Jung readjusting his face so as not to be “angry”. Lol. And Yes, I loved the truck of doom, I actually started giggling out loud 😬 although I know it was supposed to be sad and it scared attorney woo and the wife was really sad, initially, but I really can’t think of a more satisfying end to that story.
Attorney Woo telling Jun-ho that he pops up in her mind like whales…..❤️
I love talented and favorite secondary character actors showing up in dramas, I see you Attorney Ryu! (for a while I was playing 1° of separation from my favorite drama but I stopped counting after around 10 because it’s just too easy) but what was once a slight quibble is now one of my favorite things about k dramas.

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After all, it's a real case as well, up to that car crash.

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@Life: A different perspective: Driving recklessly isn’t an admirable trait though and was out of place in the show no matter what was the flimsy excuse. Even in a fictional context, no boss would likely and justifiably tolerate that kind of irresponsible action. I don’t have any tolerance for that kind of stupidity which can not only result in one’s own death but many others. I found it really jarring that Junho would do that.

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Never thought I'd be satisfied seeing a Truck of Doom appearance - as ridiculously deus ex machina as that was, the guy was a piece of trash. Also these white truck drivers in kdrama are wild, the driver literally had 0 emotion/didn't react when he ploughed into the car 😂

Also ep 12 was one of my favourites - all the women helping women and women supporting women vibes and scenes was just such a lovely sight for sore eyes and I'm glad they ended it the way they did. A happy ending in court would've been nice but it's not the reality in most societies, the fight for gender equality and to remove gender discrimination has been a long one and unfortunately still has far to go so I'm glad there was no sugarcoating that fact. But it was nice seeing those women not be too crestfallen at the result, and the statement about how this was a historic 'loss' for the women's movement and the rooftop garden party scene had me tearing up especially. I sincerely hope Youngwoo follows her inner compass and finds her an environment where she can be the lawyer she wants to be!

Nothing to say about Junho x Youngwoo that hasn't already been said already but here's my contribution: love ❤️ 😍 🥰 💥 ✨ 💖 🌈 ☀️ 😘 💕 🐳 🐬 💗. Junho going into Fast & Furious mode to follow Youngwoo's hunch when everyone else was dismissing it was especially heart fluttering!!

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I love a man who can drive! Sigh! Junho is all kinds of hot 😍

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Cosigned.

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I definitely had a moment right after the ToD when I was like, "wait, am I *glad* that a truck of doom just happened? What is going on?" I don't know if "glad" is the right word, but I'm certainly not sorry. A piece of trash made an illegal turn and dangerously pulled out into the middle of the road in his mid-life-crisis car so that he could continue to harass his loving and supportive wife. Yeah, not a lot to redeem him. I feel worse for the truck driver, tbh.

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I felt exactly the same way!!! And also good pick up about his reckless driving also endangering others, really adds to his piece of trash-ness.

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So, kissing aside, I had to come up with a differential diagnosis for Myeong-seuk and it’s broad. From a bleeding ulcer, esophageal varices, epistaxis, to TB or lung cancer. I’m thinking it’s just an ulcer. He’s been working all bright, eating greasy, acidic foods, and likely a ton of coffee and caffeine. I don’t see him being an alcoholic, and we never saw a nose bleed, And the rest would be even more makjang than than the TOD! Which I never saw coming, BTW. You’d think this was my first kdrama. 😂

And I knew that the dating ideas would backfire on Woo Young. I had wished that some of their “getting to know each other phase” would allow us to actually get to know Mr. Perfect over there. Yeah, I’m looking at you, Jun-jo. It looks like we’ll have to wait another week though. Because boys are always perfect at the beginning. But oh my gursh the rolling boil of this one! Emotionally, he’s all in. She has to memorize facial features to even understand emotions. She has an emotional IQ similar to mine—-just above a rock. I hope the story touches on this more.

And I posted this show on my FB page when it stated airing. And I got a couple bites. I posted again today about it when I found out Kang Tae Oh was a Vietnamese heartthrob before becoming popular in Korea, in a show I actually started watching a few years ago because I think Kim Min Jae was in it too. Their voices were dubbed in Vietnamese. Anyway, I never finished it, being the serial dropper I started to be, but he was hugely popular over there. And the show was a hit (Tuổi Thanh Xuân —Forever Young 2). I think I have to find it and start it again. All that to say that everyone that took my recommendation actually loves it and told me today on that new post. (I’m sure everyone was just glad I stopped posting about covid. 😂) It’s a gateway drama for sure. I wonder if we’ll have more people here on DB because of it.

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Oh ally, you are just the cutest 🥰 It would be nice to welcome more new beanies.

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The tight hug was lovely. It’s funny, because there was some skepticism about the kiss last week, given that a lot of autistic people prefer pressure to the lightness of a kiss like that, but man the character came through when he wrapped his arms around WYW. He’s done his research - no idea when, but he did it, and he acted on it.

When someone is in sensory overload it’s hard to be precise or say things that are complex thoughts, whether that’s an autistic person seeing an accident or a mom who can’t find her child in a mall - it’s HARD to string together enough words to say “I need to be hugged tightly” or “I last saw my son near the water slide”. Because all their brain is screaming is “I’m terrified and losing control”. So for Jun Ho to be proactive and supply INFORMED support was just beautiful - all WYW had to say was “more”, a very simple concept to get past sensory overload.

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I still like Boston for her. Sorry. Our girl's brave enough. And like mama said... The focus on autism in the USA would give her some amazing therapies, support, and community.

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Learning one language is hard enough for an autistic person, learning a new one is like starting from scratch, she will be a toddler once again. Sorry, tjat is impossible, even by kdrama standards.

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Uh.... Learning English is part of Korean education. There was this thing called the Korean war...? There are American bases there. Where do you think the chaebols came from? She is no stranger to English.

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I took French throughout school. When I visit France, my conversational skills are rudimentary. When I go to Quebec, their accent throws me and my accent throws them. Boston isn’t exactly known for being accent-free…

And even if WYW lived in a Korean enclave where she only spoke Korean, cultural and environmental differences are immense. Anyone who’s lived in another country knows that even if you speak the same language, there are cultural patterns that locals take for granted and newcomers are TOTALLY bewildered by.

If you understand that a central part of grounding an autistic person is to support their routine, moving them to another country just seems utterly wild. Lack of ability to adapt is part of autism. And again, she doesn’t need aggressive, specialist intervention: she’s high functioning. There’s nothing available in Boston that’s not available in Korea.

I’m guess I’m not understanding what you find so compelling about WYW moving to the US.

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I am not referring to Korean education or the prevalence of bilingualism in Korea, at all. I am only referring to the reality that one of the hallmarks of autism is deficit in communication. It is hard enough for them to understand complex communication using one language, learning it again using another language is a lifetime's worth of therapy and practice again.

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I gotta play the devil's advocate and admit that even though English is very much a part of Korean education, Koreans suck at English. They can't speak it and communicating in English is not one of their strengths. It's not like in Europe, it's pretty bad. So in reality, Attorney Woo most likely cannot live and work in the US, it would be a nightmare for her. It's a nightmare for average Koreans who go there as adults, lol, nevermind people with special needs.

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It’s got nothing to do with bravery, though. It’s like sending someone with a hearing impairment to Sweden and expecting them to recover a full range of hearing. It’s wishful thinking, not a realistic expectation.

I’m from Boston. One of the girls I grew up with is autistic, her parents and the state have invested a LOT in therapies and she has frequently lived in communities geared towards autism support. She is able to hold a job, she got married and had a child, there was every incentive for her to be as “normal” as possible… But she’s still autistic and there’s a limited range of achievable things. She isn’t married anymore and custody of her son is spread across family members because of how her autism impacted her ability to parent. She frequently regresses behaviorally. She literally never sits down to eat and hasn’t her entire life. You would know within minutes of meeting her that she’s “different”.

All of which is to say: there’s nothing to be sorry about, but Boston’s not going to do much for WYW. She is already VERY functional within her world. This is a girl who fixated on a certain predictable kimbap recipe, and the suggestion is that she transplant to a completely alien culture and language? No amount of therapy and community can make up for that.

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Well...I don't agree. She, herself said it would be great to have someone to help her. Watching her get ridiculed in court, yelled at by opposing parties and what not are scenes I skip because it hurts to see someone so ill equipped and no one working to give her the skills to deal with all that heavy stuff that will constantly come at her as an attorney. But in the end... It's a KDrama not Norma Ray. We can agree to disagree.

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She is already high functioning and is already a brilliant atty, quirks and all. This is what the show is trying to say imo, what the world needs to do is understand and accept her for who she is, an autistic person, and she comes with this package ( no eye contact, sensory issues, etc). This is fundamentally what every neurodiverse individual experiences everyday in real life : people mistakenly thinking that for them to be considered "functioning well or skilled ", that they needed to be "normal" and that these quirks should go away. Do note that for her to have arrived at this level, she must have gone through years of therapy, practice, social scripting and support, esp from his father. There is still a huge gap in how the world perceives autistic people, and tbh, the well -meaning ones who think autistic people are not yet fully functioning individuals unless they act normal, are the ones who tend to hurt more.

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The downside of uprooting someone who does not cope well with changes into a completely new environment, language, and culture will likely outweigh whatever potential therapies that USA might offer.

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In that case is it illogical for 5yo young woo to have spoken her first words when she was under sensory overload due to the landlord scolding her father?

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It could be, but the WYW we know is someone who only goes through spikes of sensory overload - she’s managed day to day stuff quite well through adaptations like the headphones and snipping tags out of clothing, so her baseline for overload is higher.

I’ve not known many young children with autism, but I’d imagine they’re shut down to some extent. That the coping mechanism early on might be tuning out the outside world completely. I also don’t think she spoke up in defense of her father in that moment as much as she recognized a legal scenario and recited the memorized paragraph. Same result, but different motivation: if she was defending her father she would be reacting to the personal attack and noise. But if she’s shut down and only selectively hearing the CONTENT of what the landlord is saying, it appeals directly to her current obsession and that’s enough to get a somewhat automated response.

But again, the kids I knew were older. So someone else could have more insight.

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Sensory overload/ meltdowns which had happened in both cases - triggers a fight/flight or freeze auto- response since they needed to cope with this overload. So I agree that her reciting the book she read was her coping mechanism, it was her "flight" auto-response - her brain doing something that distracted from that jarring input, and words she heard triggered which sections to recite. I would reckon, it is the same for everyone, young to adult with sensory processing disorder.

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@Unit, thanks for the recap! I'm always looking forward to it!

There are so many lovely, replayable scenes, many of which have already been mentioned by other Beanies. I'd like to add these:
- YW sharing her concern (on kissing!) to CEO Han... lol
- YW's inflexibility... her "andwaemida" reminds me of Na PD
- YW wanting more of the dad jokes from Geurami & Hairy Chef
- YW's 1,666.66666666
- YW and JH prepping their hair before the video call (JH did more! Awww...)
- Dad's conversation on the kissing without dating ( "I didn't think you had it in you"! )
- Attorney Ryu and the judge on the lineage (honestly I don't get what they're saying on the generation thing, I'll have to Google on this)
- Attorney Ryu flipping her name, haha
- Attorney Ryu returning the document to YW
- The arcade scene... YW's focused look (her eyes!) at the Find The Difference game

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I found interesting that for the 2 cases, they were defending bad guys. For Young-Woo, it's not a detail, it's not easy for her to do it. It questions her will to stay at Hanbada.

I can't hate Minwoo because he's not really efficient as a villain. I was sure he will go to Taesan. It's sad it's the mother who wants her daughter to quit. She's disapointing, when the CEO of Hanbada is funny. The elevator scene was so funny.

The couple is really cute. It's nice to see them learn to be together.

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Lawyers not only have specific obligations to their clients but in most common law legal systems, their obligation to the administration of justice is their predominant obligation. The duality of law as a profession which has mostly clear ethical obligations but also operates within commercial imperatives is rife with tensions which conservative views of lawyering have tried to resolve in favour of the amoral agency viewpoint. This has been catastrophic and I use this term advisedly because many powerful corporate lawyers find loopholes for their clients to act illegally by couching their advice as “this is just our legal advice and we are not encouraging illegality”. This is cooption by a client. I assume civil law countries such as SK have largely similar ethical obligations even if the terminology differs. The example of Hanbada giving that legal advice to their client - the company- fits this mould. This is a perennial issue the world over and implicates the conduct of both TNCs and smaller corporations as well as wealthy individuals who use their superior bargaining powers to receive legal advice which is overwhelmingly contrary to the public interest but benefits them as clients.

And, I really loved how naturalistic Lee Bongryun’s acting was as the human rights lawyer. She really was wonderful and in so many ways reminded me of the wonderful human rights lawyers - and many were women - who I have worked with previously. They were empathetic, courageous, smart as all get-out, worked tirelessly for their clients at times with no fees and had basic, shabby offices. They were/are remarkable people. And, oh, they went to a lot of protests!
I hope Youngwoo decides to become such a lawyer whether or not she joins Attorney Ryu’s practice.

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I really liked the latest episode mainly because I thought it was an excellent study in contrasts which some of my fellow beanies have pointed out.

The ending scene really brought it home, I feel - that messy little office brimming with passion and idealism and the rooftop of lightness, joy and good cheer; versus Attorney Jung’s large and posh office, cast in the shadows, filled with fear and suspicion.

Min-Woo’s small-mindedness trumped by Attorney Ryu’s big-heartedness - I thought it was really well-written.

Speaking of Min-Woo, I wonder if I’m in the minority that still holds out hope for him to be an interesting/likeable character?
I suppose most of that stems of reading more closely into the scenes - there must be some reasonable he and Jun-Ho are room mates; I did feel that he was portrayed to have some moments of hesitation - the Hackberry tree scene, and even when he was photocopying the documents.

Somehow I don’t think he’s a bad guy to the core. He feels like a guy who has a chip on his shoulder, and someone who’s clawed his way and fought for his position in a competitive environment.

There are scenes where he seems to be likeable, almost, like when he was gathering up signatures from the elderly, coming up with silly nicknames with the kids etc.

I work in a competitive environment and have seen a number of characters like him. Hard workers, but with no special advantages like family/wealth, and lacking the ‘X’ factor/likability to make one more outstanding/attractive. Some people persist in their hard work and are eventually recognised, some are resigned to their lot in life, and others become bitter and turn into Min-Woo with underhanded tricks. Maybe that’s why he’s still pretty relatable.

I still hold out hope that he’ll be redeemed, especially with that teaser hinting to something developing with Su-yeon. I thought there might be a scenario where he eventually comes clean, but isn’t given a ‘penalty’, because that’s not how their team works.

As to Attorney Jung, I’m pretty sure he has something more serious than a gastric ulcer (although to be honest, if a gastric ulcer has you spitting up blood you should head to the emergency department immediately). The drama has been good at foreshadowing, and with all the scenes with him looking tired/sleeping in his chair, I’d guessed earlier on that he was probably sick (when he coughed up blood I shrieked “I knew it!”). I do hope it’s something he can recover from after a short break though.

I do agree that I’m not sure how everything can be tied up within the last few episodes though…hopefully it all works out and we get a happy ending.

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Thanks for your perspective on Min Woo, you have made him more redeemable for me. 😊

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I think I’m also in the minority of wanting a redemption arc for MinWoo. I disagree it has to come from getting together with SuYeon. I want him have his own moment of self-reflection and course correction.

A part of me wants to not write off MinWoo because this show is about compassion and empathy for people who are different and have different challenges. If YoungWoo’s mental challenges are treated with empathy i want the series to show that we can treat people with moral challenges like MinWoo also with consideration too.

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ah yes, I hope his redemption arc comes from himself and not from Su-yeon too!

I meant that since the show is teasing at something developing between them, I hope our sunshine ‘Kayak Deed’ protector ends up with a good Min-Woo for her sake :)

hear hear to your point on the show being a compassion and empathy!

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I want Minwoo to be redeemed but not in a relationship with Suyeon. I wrote this somewhere and I'll paste it here.

The show had better not show Minwoo and Spring Sunshine together or else it would be pushing the narrative that romance can change anything. It would be unfortunate for young people to go into relationships with a**holes because they believe love would change their partners. That kind of relationship would be extremely toxic in real life.

EAW has done a great job so far. It had better not mess it up with the toxic romance. It could redeem Minwoo though but if it doesn't, WYW should be shown on the path to dealing more efficiently with people like him because in real life, not many like Minwoo will change and she would have to deal with that.

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@zephyr: I admire your optimism but I have seen the damage that people like Minwoo inflict on their co-workers and issues of importance/interest so have no more patience or understanding for them.

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I was looking forward to a redemption arc for Min Woo as well up until he went through with sending the documents. What he did would not have just gotten her fired, it would have gotten her disbarred. She would have been unable to practice law. He knew that and still went ahead with it. The last straw was the look of triumph on his face when the other lawyer was taking out the evidence. And the look of crushing disappointment when it turned out to be something else. He did something morally and legally wrong and would have ruined her career all so that he could get ahead. Not that he is in anyway struggling in his career right now. Just out of the sheer greed of wanting more. Nope. I think this drama did a good job of giving its characters complexity. That's what we are seeing with Min Woo's character. He's not all "evil" which would have made him a caricature. But I no longer hold out hope nor want a redemption character arc for him.

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I don't think it would have made her disbarred. It wouldn't have been in the interest of Hanbada to make it big. It happens in real life, like in the trial of Alex Jones, his lawyer sent by mistake his phone's texts to the lawyer of the parents who are suing him. (It was pretty satisfying to see his face when the lawyer asked him about his lies)

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While Hanbada may have waited to quietly deal with the issue, that would have been impossible as soon as she's fired. As for the Alex Jones case, yes his face while being confronted on the witness stand was very satisfying to see. But there is a difference between evidence being "accidentally" given during discovery in a law suit (especially in this case where the courts had repeatedly requested that he turn over the documents and he'd ignored them each time) and what Min Woo did.

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I was not expecting YWs mum to turn out like she did. And in cahoots with Min Woo no less. Min Woo is an idiot, he's being so obvious, it's clear he will be rumbled soon. I actually think he didn't believe SY when she said JH and YW were dating. As the drama continues, I'm finding him less and less redeemable.
I think MS has an ulcer brought on by stress and poor diet. I will not accept anything else show!
Hilariously, I did not expect the Truck of Doom. I think it's because this drama doesn't normally go with these things. Still, as convenient as it was, I can't say I was sad for that characters demise. As mentioned by other beanies, perhaps we can pool funds and divvy one up for Min Woo...
I love the relationship, how they communicate, how even more necessary it is in this relationship.
Finally, my husband rolls his eyes at my kdrama addiction, but he's being sucked into this show so there's hope for him yet! 🤣

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I didn't notice PPLs. Where was it please?

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The very noticeable one was that K brand wrinkle balm thing that Suyeon used before meeting the guy who was waiting outside her office, in episode 11.

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Honestly I did not notice that at all. Well, failed advertising for me. Lol.

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The look of love-struck amazement on YW's face as she held JH's hand through the glass really got to me 🥺
Imho Jun-ho should've spoken up about his frustration with their dates a bit sooner. His rant seemed like the result of him bottling up his feelings for a while, and I think he should learn to be upfront with YW as soon as something bothers him. It's clear to us that he did all those things because he likes her, but as we've seen time and time again, YW thinks differently and some things need to be pointed out to her for her to understand. I hope they'll quickly get pass this little bump in the road and strengthen their relationship 🙏

I really enjoyed ep 12 and, as a woman, I was emotionally invested in the Mir Life ladies' case from the beginning. Women are so often pitted against each other (in kdramas and in real life) that I couldn't help but tear up when the two women came up to their colleague who testified against them and were nice and understanding towards her. I also loved loved loved Attorney Ryu and everything she stands for. I like to that that, if I were a lawyer, I'd also be fighting for the marginalized and those less fortunate. I can also see that YW struggles with defending the "bad guys" - corporations, shitty husbands, and those who want to exploit others. I hope she and atty Ryu ride off into the sunset together. Or at least that Myung-seok opens his own practice and they go off fighting for dolphins' rights together.

Think about it, atty Jung. A dolphin wouldn't come back to stab you after defending it *wink wink* 😁

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*I like to THINK that...
mamma mia 🙄

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Ep 12 showed Case No: 12, but there were only 11 cases. Either I missed a case or the editing team made a mistake. Anyway, I like how the cases are not white and black, but provoke our thoughts. I also am impressed with how the drama uses these cases as a growth lesson for Woo Young instead of simply having them for the sake of preaching to society. In fact, the series was very entertaining that these 12 episodes flew by quickly and after reading some of the comments, I realized there are only 4 more episodes :(

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Episodes 7 and 8 are about the same case. So, just 11.

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You're right. At present, we've had only 11 cases. But I think it's a fun/deliberate choice from the editing team to name the episodes as "case #" instead of the usual "episode #" because it's a legal drama.

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"That holding of hands through her office glass is one of the smoothest and most heart-fluttering moves I have ever seen, and Young-woo saying that Jun-ho keeps popping in her mind when he’s not even a whale is just squee!!!"

THIS.

It WAS smooth and it was A MOVE! 😉
And both Kang Tae Oh & Park Eun Bin played it so well that each and everyone of us squealed and our hearts melted. 😁

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Ok ima little worried about the YW J- H relationship- he's a red blooded typical guy who enjoys socializing with friends- YW doesn't--- he is a healthy male affection wise and she can't handle holding hands- how is the sex going to work? ? Is it just dramaland and not to worry? Also, how horrible that her mom is so callous as to plot to have her fired?? I didn't see that coming!

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I think Tae Su-mi is acting as she is in reaction to the provocation from CEO Han in the cut scene at the restaurant where the two ladies had a face off and CEO Han literally put out a threat using Young Woo. That must have triggered the defense from Tae be it her talk with Young Woo's Dad or her making use of Min Woo. Be it for herself or Young Woo, she cannot allow YW to remain in Hanbada to be used by CEO Han. She does not have the perspective of dad who has seen YW's struggle to get a job and tbh she is all ready to put YW in Taesan, so what dad is willing to resort to for YW or be a lawyer is not a necessity for her. Her course of action is thus v logical. I do have problems with the part of "whether resign willingly or dismissed by Hanbada". The latter is unacceptable from a mother! The damage to YW's career if Minwoo had succeeded...imagine! And the dent to YW's self esteem... Esp to an autistic child. What are you thinking, Tae?!

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"The daughter-in-law goes out to work while the son idles at home. Does any father/mother-in-law like to see these? In this critical time you should take up the role as a good wife."

We all know all cases in Extraordinary Attorney Woo are real (Even the car crash in Episode 11, although in reality it may not look as dramatic). In Episode 12, the show is in fact based on a landmark case in 1999, when the assiciated bank with National Agricultural Cooperative Federation tried to re-structure due to the aftermath of IMF Crisis (Yes, that crisis portrayed in another hit drama 25, 21). The show not only follows the case to the final verdict, the human resource manager even said the above line, which also featured in the episode.

This show may probably be a very good educational material for South Korean law ...

Source (in Chinese. I am trying to find an English one)

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One thing I should add: the episode also shows as the court in progress, more and more people getting notice, and more and more reporters are present. The show is in fact showing another way of "winning the case". In the end when Attorney Ryu reciting the poem, she is in fact telling people the fight for human right does not rely on only one case, but a great war in progress, and they may have just, as a piece of burnt coal became ash, to became road for the next people to step on.

Atty. Ryu telling Youngwoo that unlike judges and prosecutors who are just government officials, the lawyers are "士/사" (The Hanja for "Lawyers" is in fact "辯護士", literally means "scholar to debate"), who are Confucius scholars, and they have moral judgement. This is another part that touches me a lot

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Same here..first time I heard lawyers as such. Maybe because in Chinese the term "律师” does not point to the origin of the word. I think it may not have the same deep meaning in Chinese culture though Confucianism is also revered?

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@znzn84, in Chinese, "律" stands with "法律" (Law, so "律師/律师" can be literally translated as " teacher/master of law"), but in Korean and Japanese, "辯護" (or in Japanese Kanji, "弁護"; The show's Japanese title: ウ・ヨンウ弁護士は天才肌) are more "defense by reasoning" ... I can't say which title is deeper, but they do show a different aspect about the job of Lawyers.

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Ah. Thank you for the insight on the translation. Netflix version (at least where I watch it) says judges and prosecutors are for the law while lawyers are for the people (or something close to that effect). I never had it presented that way and I thought it's a beautiful interpretation. What you put in here is also beautiful and I like it a lot.

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Something cuter than our whale couple protesting for the liberation of the dolphins????? 😍🐋🐳🐟🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬

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everyday I wake up and pray that min-woo gets hit by a truck

I felt like I was YW this week, going through all her internal conflict (the way I screamed when the scum made the finger heart) with the "right and wrong" feeling too.
The car incident scene had me reeling and I couldnt focus on the rest of the ep. PEB's acting was phenomenal with the way she portrayed how YW was feeling my GOD its not easy at all to be able to pull that off.
I also love the way JH communicates how hes feeling honestly towards YW, thats a key factor in relationships.

Despite all that, I felt as though they were dragging out this week's eps and I hope they can resolve it well by the end

(if they kill off MS we riot lads)

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As a lawyer, and formerly a labor and employment lawyer for a long time, I’ve always been fascinated by Korean labor law. Particularly with the working conditions of those who become idols and actors/actresses and the sheer amount of drinking and work retreats with coworkers! That what happened to the women in ep 12 is so sad to me esp because it apparently is based on a true story. Such a policy would def be unlawful here in the US. That is, even if a policy is not intended to discriminate, if it has the effect of discriminating against a certain group, it is unlawful. That case that inspired the episode though is pretty old and I wonder if the law has changed. I know that Korea had to amend or enact some changes in their labor law to be able to enter into a trade agreement with the US so I’m sure there has been some changes to Korean law.

Kudos to the show as well for highlighting the different kind of motivations for becoming a lawyer. Here in the US, it’s a bit frowned upon or it’s not a good idea to be so friendly with a client, even when working on these probono, human rights, etc. kind of cases. That kind of work is so draining and is not sustainable if you are so emotionally invested for every case. Of course that can’t be helped. I did a pro Bono domestic violence case once and my God, the amount of personal non-legal involvement I put in to make sure my client would be ok was huge. Having my mom watch her kids so she could attend trial, reaching out to potential employers to vouch for her, etc. I lost 5 lbs in the month I represented her over a few days of trials bc I don’t eat when I’m stressed or under pressure. A lot of dv attorneys burn our really fast. But ironically, I don’t think I could have done a good job (we won and got everything we asked for) had I not cared so much.

And the show is right that it is often the big law firms that does a lot of pro Bono work. Think Amal Clooney. It takes a lot of resources to provide the best representation and the big law firms are able to do so notwithstanding the awful clients they can represent.

For what it’s worth, I’m a gov’t attorney and had no desire to be in private practice after clerking for law firms as a law student. I’m motivated by the public interest goal of my work but I certainly understand the points made about how an attorneys role is to be their clients best advocate. Where ppl draw law the line is def a super personal choice.

Finally, I’m ok with seeing mw redeems by sunshine if that is where the series is going. Maybe it’s cliche for a romance to be the character changer for MW. But it’s not unrealistic assuming a romance is a form of relationship. Often times, becoming a better person doesn’t come from self-reflecting but from meaningful interactions with ppl whether it be through romance or a random encounter. It’s toxic of course to be with someone because you’re hoping to change them. But there’s nothing toxic about starting a relationship with...

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…someone who is the catalyst for you wanting to become a better person.

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Episode 13 Sucks;

Looks like they have abandoned the characters' "character", etc. and and now are going all out for romance!

So disappointed in the writer/director; what was once an outstanding dram is now just another fluffy romance!

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