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Big Mouth: Episodes 15-16 (Final)

Our tale has ended, but that doesn’t mean it was satisfactorily resolved. If you like loose threads, disposable characters, and wild rides that lead nowhere, man are you gonna love this one.

 
EPISODES 15-16 WEECAP

Big Mouth Episodes 15-16

Well, I survived, which is more than I can say for half the characters in this show. While there is something to be said for subverting expectations, it doesn’t really work when you throw your whole setup out the window. If you all recall, we were fed a line about ordinary citizens taking down big bad elites. We get a lawyer who can’t fight crime within the law, so he goes outside the law to do it. Fair enough. But then he becomes the rich and powerful leader of a criminal gang to take down rich and powerful leaders who commit crimes. Irony aside, what happened to our underdog story?

I’m not even sure how to write this weecap because it turns out that most of the information we were given had nothing to do with how things wrapped up. Rather than go through all the details just to shove them to the side at the end, I’d prefer to focus on Mi-ho. This character finally got the epic moment she deserved — the one I was waiting for — where her intelligence shined through and she was set up to save the day as both a teammate and a heroine in her own right. And then, they killed her off so that Chang-ho could be the hero. The only thing I can say is ick.

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We ended last week with Chang-ho deciding to run in the next mayoral race and, separately, preparing for a stand-off with the mayor. These two things come together when Mayor Choi decides to run for re-election. Chang-ho states that the point of running for mayor is to destroy Mayor Choi with law and justice, rather than do anything shady. Just keep this information in mind as we parse the rest of this.

The team, which now even includes Ji-hoon, throws all kinds of things at the mayor to try to take him down legally. They tell the rest of NR Forum about his identity switch as a kid, but the members now side with the mayor since he took over all the chairman’s shares and is the most powerful man in town (Joo-hee owns the other half of everything). They expose that the mayor gave special treatment to NR Forum members while in office, but he denies it and it gains no traction. They even try to find the chairman’s only kin — a “serial killer” son in the U.S. — to dispute the will, but this comes to nothing.

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The only point of Chairman Kang having a long lost serial killer son is so that we can learn that the death row inmate that’s been helping Mi-ho is not at all a serial killer. He’s just a kid who took the rap in exchange for getting his mother a needed surgery. His mother didn’t survive, and now, sick with cancer, he dies as well. He and the other model inmates became sick when they were sent on work release and repeatedly exposed to radiation — which is how Mi-ho also gets late-stage lymphoma.

When there was a collapse at the worksite one day, Mi-ho ran in to rescue her framed serial killer friend, and wound up with cancer too far advanced to treat. She decides to tell no one. Chang-ho is busy preparing to become mayor and riding around in SUVs with an entourage, while Mi-ho takes the bus home alone after her doctor’s appointment. For me, this sums up their relationship.

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The team’s last hope to take down Mayor Choi legally comes with the televised mayoral debate, where Chang-ho and the current mayor will try to expose each other’s misdeeds. Leading up to this, Mi-ho goes to see Joo-hee and says that everything about the hospital, the secret lab, and the sick prisoners will be revealed and the corrupt individuals are about to get their just desserts. Joo-hee asks if Mi-ho can handle the despair that comes with exposing the truth and having nothing change. Mi-ho is an optimist, but Joo-hee is correct — this is how things will end up. Sort of.

Before we arrive at this disappointing ending, there is an amazing sequence of events involving Mi-ho leading the Big Mouse gang like a boss (and me thinking for a few minutes that the show was about to come through in the final hour). As Chang-ho prepares for the on-air debate, Mi-ho has her moment, going behind Chang-ho’s back for once, gathering the guys and taking a caravan to a fish farm related to NK Chemicals. She does this purposefully during the live debate so that the mayor can’t be notified of what’s happening because he’ll be on-air.

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After a battle at the fish farm, Mi-ho gets a video of the owner admitting that the farm is a front to get rid of waste water produced by NK Chemicals. The water has toxic chemicals and radiation in it, which runs through drain pipes (like the ones that exploded over Mi-ho at the worksite) and is dumped into the ocean. With the evidence, Mi-ho and Jerry leave and head toward the TV station to break up the debate, but the VIPs show up and try to stop them.

Mi-ho alerts Soon-tae of what she and the gang have been up to this afternoon and sends him the video. At the same time, the VIPs call the police, where they have friends on the force, and tell them to put up a road block to stop Mi-ho and Jerry. Understanding the situation, Soon-tae tells Warden Park to call on the Big Mouse army who have infiltrated the police. As the VIPs pass by thinking that Mi-ho and Jerry are being arrested, we learn they are getting a police escort straight to the debate broadcast.

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When they reach the debate, Mi-ho is allowed to enter during the portion where citizens ask questions to the candidates. She says she is there as a victim of the NK Chemicals radiation leak and tells everyone on live TV that she’s diagnosed with terminal cancer. It’s the first time Chang-ho, her father, or anyone else hears about this. She then plays the video she recorded at the fish farm, hoping to incriminate the mayor.

This is by far the most satisfying series of events in the entire run because it uses the ingenuity of the team and what we know about each of these parts to bring about the outcomes. It’s the first time I felt myself rooting for anybody in this drama and it’s because it’s the first time it actually followed through with its setups. It’s fun to watch this criminal organization, with their hands in everything, outwit the even bigger criminals. And it’s even more fun to watch Mi-ho, Soon-tae, and Jerry pull it off.

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And then, the show takes all this awesomeness and throws it off a balcony to its screaming death. First, nothing comes of any of this. Joo-hee was right. The mayor blames everything on the chairman, gets out of an investigation, and wins re-election. But second, by having the story go this way, it stops Mi-ho from being the one who takes down the mayor (and leaves it to Chang-ho).

An alternate awesome possibility gets waved (one I had pleaded for last week) to have Joo-hee direct the final blow at her husband. This almost happens when Joo-hee sends Mi-ho evidence of the mayor’s crimes and says she’ll testify against him in court. Joo-hee then goes missing and all charges against the mayor are dropped. We see that Joo-hee has been detained in the same mental institution that Chang-ho was in.

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The story ends with Chang-ho as the single-handed hero. Mi-ho dies quietly at the hospital and gives Chang-ho permission to be Big Mouse forever — so long as he’s a “good Big Mouse.” Essentially, he becomes a vigilante, out to punish people who hurt others. So, since the legal way didn’t work — and all the team’s research and digging into the mayor’s backstory was entirely meaningless — Chang-ho decides to just kill him.

The mayor swims every day and Chang-ho fills the pool with the same waste water from NK Chemicals that killed Mi-ho. The mayor starts vomiting blood and we are left to assume he will now die of cancer. On one hand, you could call it poetic justice. If it weren’t for Mi-ho, Chang-ho wouldn’t even have known about the waste water in order to kill the mayor this way. On the other hand, you could call it the definition of “fridging” — the show only allowed Mi-ho’s actions to go far enough to help Chang-ho’s story progress, and then got rid of her.

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In these final two episodes, both Mi-ho and Joo-hee do very cool things that are exciting and surprising for the story in the right way (rather than the “WTH I don’t get it” way that the show prefers). But instead of letting their actions play out to their conclusions, the writers decided to boot both of them out of the way and say, “let the men handle it.”

I had a hard time watching this drama. Partially because it was a mess story-wise, partially due to the violence, but mostly because of its treatment of female characters. The women were disposable from start to finish. Remember Hye-jin? The abused wife who escaped only to be murdered by her husband later? Not only was the thread never picked up again, it did nothing to advance the plot. We watched a women get beaten and killed while her husband gets away with it, just… for fun. I got into this for Lee Jong-seok but realized early on that even he couldn’t save it for me. Next time, I’ll be more cautious before I commit (something Joo-hee might be thinking right now too).

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Oh. My. Gosh 🤣🤣🤣

I frakking love these writers. I don't actually, it's not a proper, technical or wholesome, correct or right love but let me get this out.
So there are like… black listed writers I hate and who's works I would rather see burn with the fire of a thousand suns. And then there’s THESE guys, who honestly I feel the kind of pride you feel for like … when something in your fridge ends up growing 100 different kinds of mould. Terrible, awful, horrible, kinda gross, but WOW isn’t fungi just so FASCINATING? (I’m apologise, this was the best metaphor I could come up with on the spot). Like, I should properly blacklist the Vagabond crew but instead I feel this endearment, this morbid, immoral attachment to them, for them being the way they are. (especially when I made the RIGHT call this time and capped out at the half way mark *evil giggle*)
Incredible, honestly.
Of all shows that I think Sic's Zombie Law* is most applicable to, this is it.
And Gaus Electronics better be frakking AMAZING for you KDY, is all I can say.

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"because it turns out that most of the information we were given had nothing to do with how things wrapped up."

Ofc it didn't. That's why @leetennant could relay watch this for me because nothing that happened in the first half was necessary or important.

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* Sic's Zombie Law is a narrative law that says anything that can't get WORSE by having zombies in it and/or would get BETTER for having zombies in it, should have zombies in it. Making sense is not necessary at that point.

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That metaphor🤣🤣🤣

I agree with you. I also feel a huge sense of pride in their works. Once they find things fascinating, they create a show and want us to think that it's really that fascinating.
I wonder what LT's opinion about the drama

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Unfortunately, when the time came on the weekend to wrap this one up, LT realised that LT... didn't care. It remains unwatched. My Relay Microbean remains unclaimed.

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Oh this pointless thing that exists for no reason but, still, it exists.

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The best thing about the ending was that the writers forgot about their own McGuffin and had to insert something about it in the voiceover at the end. Literally the thing they used to drive the entire plot for 80% of their show and they just forgot about it and then panicked and had to add in a coda to deal with it.

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*cry laughing*

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I'm giving thumbs up only for that "Zombie Law" 😂😂😂. I want to read about other laws in Melonia. Pls attach the link to those.

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They will have all the dead characters as zombies in Big Mouse season 2, ofcourse!

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At least they make sure there won't be season 2. Good.

"The women were disposable from start to finish", is the one thing i'm quite upset about. With what and how production team treated these characters just put me off. Hyejin is the most pitiful character.

Somehow I didn't expect Miho to get sick and die despite protesting about how she tried to save everyone earlier without having protection. I was expecting Changho to die instead. Then i thought it over and, i think, sensible(?) characters in genre like this mostly die in kdramaland.

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ZOMG you mean Miho actually dies?
Haha I change my mind. Just give me a few hours to get over this annoying "work deadline" situation and I'll wade in.

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Man, this show was so disappointing. I was really hoping for more from LJS's comeback drama. Is it too much to ask for a fantasy rom com next?
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The writers just added new details when needed and skimmed over them like "it's fine, it makes sense", and so many of them led to nothing??? How did Soon-tae join the BM squad and become #2? Who killed No Park's daughter? Where is the justice for said daughter and Hyejin? Why bring up the killer son if he wasn't going to do anything?

The writers didn't care about the characters, just the twists they could throw at us. It sucks. (honestly, GoT vibes...)

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Exactly! Tbh, I think they added so many little details, but there was no way they could take care of them all, in a one-season drama with 16 episodes. I mean, they could, but then it would have been a bit... I don't know, but I don't think it would have turned out well. My suggestion is, they made it a 2 season show, the Big mouse's death could be the ending of season one and then, we could take care of everyone and every story and back story, one by one in the second season, but Koreans aren't really into multiple seasons kind of drama, so that's what we got.

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They had sufficient time to tackle all the details, but the problem is they never intended for a proper plot. I watched the writers last outing and it had the same absurdity but that drama sold solely because of Lee Seung Gi, Shin Sung Rok and Suzy.

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I haven't watched that other drama, so it can be their style or not, I just think it would have been better to follow so many names and stories in a 2 season drama than 16 or 18 episodes drama

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I was tracking this because I’m a LJS fan, but wary due to the writers of Vagabond (which I heard a lot about the open ending) + on Disney plus. Happy I skipped. It’ll probably get watched like Doctor Stranger: in the background when I have things to do but am happy to look at LJS intermittently.

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I actually hesitated watching this final 2 eps cuz imma be honest, I got bored. I gave in (BIG mistake) and decided to just end it

I guess this was what annoyed me the most. It was like they gave us so many plotlines and then just completely forgot about it. Really what was the point of mentioning the chairman's son and then absolutely nothing happens? What, did they just give up on finding him? What if Miho didn't come through with the fish farm evidence? Did they think they could bank on Miho's evidence afterwards? They could've still sought after the son for a backup that Doha clearly has a million of. But no. They were running out of episodes to actually make use of it.

If i could describe my reaction when I saw this using one meme, it would be that one disappointed Indian man with his hands on his hips meme.
The part of me who was following the entire storyline waiting for all the evidence they gathered to actually amount to something was so disappointed.
The other part of me who remembered the genre of the show, which was the main theme for the first half, would make more sense for this ending cuz from the start, everyone played dirty and Big Mouse wasn't a nice guy, he would've done anything to get what he wanted.
If we were given lesser narratives and idk SCRAPPED the entire elections storyline and just stuck to the violence/scum/darkness of it all then that ending would've made more sense and not have left a bitter taste in my mouth.

FOR REAL.
I really wasn't expecting Miho to die. That was surprising and lowkey sad but when I started this show I had a feeling they would kill one of them off due to the genre of this show but was it really necessary? Her character arc was rushed, despite her big reveal, it didnt do much to the plot at all. The final 2 eps just consisted of her sitting and staring off like dang I can do that too.
Hyejin, oh Hyejin. A brave soul lost in the winds. No mention of her, when her murderer got screen time it was just disgusting and painful to watch.
The mayor actually putting Juhee in the mental hospital came as a huge shock to me but I'm so glad she made it out alive.

I started this show cuz it was LJS and the story looked promising. If only it was written better, it (and everyone in the show) could've lived up to their true potential.

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This is why I seldom watch kdramas of this genre all the way to the end. "Writer collapse." Stitching everything together with ridiculous melodramatic twists and random deaths and it all just kind of ends.

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When I saw the teaser for this drama I was asking people if it actually had a female lead, as it seemed mostly the lead character and a couple of other guys ego-tripping though the plot. Turns out I was right. She was only there to show the guys off.

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At least end is not in "WTH I don't get it way"
Lmao

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After the episodes ended, I once again felt like I should've written down my thoughts somewhere because I'd definitely forget what happened and sure enough, I've forgotten things haha
And that's because, for me at least, simultaneously so much and so little happens.

I guess my questions are how exactly does the toxic water work? The prisoners got sick over months yet Miho got weeks and the mayor got minutes?
Also were the patients in the hospital, whose families signed NDAs, prisoners? Were the pills given helping or harming them? Were those just 2 different messed up situations? Were they using them as guinea pigs with the pills and also exposing them to toxic water?
Why were the faux psycho's siblings so defensive when they knew he did nothing wrong and just took the fall for money? And even if the brother didn't know, the sister knew he didn't do it!

And so there's just no backlash to Chang Ho just continuing to be Big Mouse when his whole thing was "just until I get the mayor and the rest of those guys"?

Hye Jin hurts my heart but at the same time, it felt real. There are countless abused women who just end up missing and it just sucks. It sucked even more because it felt so pointless. The abusive husband didn't become more *anything*. He wasn't menacing, he wasn't more pathetic, he wasn't more hardened, he wasn't more focused. And it's so gross and infuriating the more I think about it. Not sure I can ever see that actor again without wanting his characters to be punched in the face.

I don't think the NF guys got a satisfying ending at all. I think it said they got 10 years and we see them getting beaten up. Fine, sure, they're low on the totom pole now and yes, in my head I know being beaten up is a bad thing and yet it doesn't seem like enough. They killed and were complicit in so many deaths. They're disloyal, pompous jerks who aren't the least bit repentent and it just wasn't cathartic for me.

If Vagabond had an "unending", Big Mouth had a definite ending and I guess that's something?

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About Miho, it could be that she wasn't wearing protective gear when she got exposed to the pipes. The prisoners at least were wearing them everytime they went down there. Choi Doha tho, idk about him lol

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I was thinking that too; that because the prisoners wore protective wear, their symptoms were delayed vs Miho who was showered in it and the mayor who was submerged in it.

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He was wearing even less clothes than Mi-ho? If he'd been plunging in his private pool in the nude he might not have had the time to resurface for his chat with CH before he dwindled away in a bloody mess.

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Has there ever been a drama like this where the ultimate stakes were so low?

Why did we swap out some Grandfather-esque Chaebol and illegal medical experiments for a Mayoral election race?

Oh no *bites fingernails, girds loins, hangs on for dear life*, who but WHO will be Mayor of this small Korean city?

The cliffhanger for episode 15 is literally a Mayoral debate. Edge. of. my. seat. TUNE IN TOMORROW FOR THIS DEBATE BETWEEN MAYORAL CANDIDATES.

Meanwhile, Miho for some reason is the only character still in the actual drama and I wish someone had warned me about this because it makes the much-anticipated death of one of Yoona's insufferable characters a little less satisfying what with her being the only Big Mouse character still in the drama Big Mouse*.

Also I wanted explosive haemorrhaging.

*Apart from Jerry. Don't mention the war.

In the end, this show committed the worst crime that something like this can do. It stopped being crazy and instead embraced boring.

I ff'd so much of the last two episodes, I'm not sure I can claim even my half bean. Although if I don't, then does that mean @sicarius also doesn't get hers?

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Let's talk dilution. Did Mayor Choi die of homeopathic radiation?

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Speed watching counts. We got our micro bean! Don't you dare take that from me!

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You may flaunt your 1/2 bean with pride

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Laughed so hard bout your mayoral debate I just might die

What DID end up happening to Jerry? I bet he's as disappointed in Big mouse as we are, lol!

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For me it is very good story...It maybe a sad ending story but it only shows how these couple love each other....since the beginning...they support and care for one another..Another lesson learned is being trick by a dirty citizens who are above the law, most of the time the powerless people always a victim and when the time came they're given the opportunity to attacked the villain so why not...because they want to stop their evil works..The third rate lawyer became the talented because of the circumstances he had faced since he met those scumbags...he became strong and quick witted...

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I am with you. Miho was strong and supportive til the end. their
relationship and trust in each other was really good and i liked the complexity of the conflict between the prison mates.

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what is with 2022 kdramas and their endings?

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I'm not sure how to feel about the drama, but I think I'm happy with it. I liked the ending. Yes, I thought killing Miho like that was unnecessary and, though I could see your point about the female characters, I think that was because the drama had so many characters to deal with, lots of them got a suspenseful ending, like the nurse in the hospital and chairman son, I mean, why talk about him so much, if you are not going to do anything bought him, or the fact that someone else went to prison in his place, one would expect that the drama is going to avenge the one who wrongfully dies, but no, nothing and the list goes on. Still, I am happy with how things ended, the message was loud and clear, let the law deal with you, cause if not we can be much more dangerous than you can ever be, and if decide to do it ourselves, it's going to be clean cut. I liked that, that was a Gothom-like kind of justice, they got batman and friends, and we got Big Mouse!

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The writing got short circuit final 2 episodes, Miho was suspecting n investigating NK Chemical tyat belongs to NK Forum n these companies are owned by the chairman, fun by the 3 clowns n jihoon. Makes no sense to seek chairman help to be mayor just to take down mayor. Makes no sense that jihoon who is Ceo of nk chemical does not know about where the radiation water went to. I can see why changho is a 3rd rate lawyer, a lawyer will not when pressure, if found true he together with the scammer purposely lose a case, to step down as candidate. A true good lawyer will turn it around, what is it is found not true, will mayor doha step down as candidate (changho must know whether he did or not n fight for truth). Was it clever writing to let people see why changho is a 3rd rate lawyer this way or was it the write weak writing. I think it is the latter. The debate is bound to fail if not for miho reveal of the fish farm. Even then, i know changho will not win to be mayor,he lost that debate on stepping down, it cast doubt on himself.
Mayor doha, at the debate, when changho pointed out that his own grandfather opposed to nk chemical, he knew the chairman killed his grandad becos of it, he felt angry about it but his revenge is to take all of chairman's wealth cos he thinks that shoukd belong to his grandfather. Wish the grandfather will rise up his grave n tell him, he got it wrong, it is not wealth he wants but discontine nk chemical to save lives. He is an idiot coward.
The saddest is the guy who took the fall for chairman's son crime n his mother, both died. His brother n sister now lives in condo presumbly using the money for surgery. No wonder warden park did not kill that guy who is already sick.
The ending was expected, miho die but she is so consistent as a good wife, always protecting her husband, telling him to be leader of big mouse, a good leader that takes down scum.
Hyejin, she escape n she should not have gone back to Korea. Why kill her off n let the murderer got away with just beating n jail time.
Joohee, when he husband confess to her that he kill dr seo, she protected him by destroying the lab where it the lab saving lives or destroying life - was it smart to protect him?
The acting n directing is super but the writing fail to answers dr seo paper fully, who murder big mouse leader daughter (i presume chairman cos she was investigating nk chemical).
Do i want s2, NO, overall it is good drama except for the few plot holes.

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To play devil's advocate because I've seen this mentioned alot: regarding the introduction of the serial killer grandson that amounted to nothing, I think he was included/mentioned to show that Chang Ho had tried every *legal* recourse to take down the mayor and dismantle his power and when ALL that failed, the only thing left was to kill him.

Also it shows, yet again, how destructive and toxic the chairman is/was that he had an innocent guy take the fall for a serial killer.

I think this was the thought process behind this specific plot point.

Honestly, it still just leads to more questions but I think that's what they were going for.

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the introduction of the serial killer grandson that amounted to nothing, I think he was included/mentioned to show that Chang Ho had tried every *legal* recourse to take down the mayor

Haha no. It was to give closure to the pyscho killer, but it is weird because they had other important plot lines that need a closure, but they decided to focus on something trivial.

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Vagabond > Big Mouth
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I really enjoyed the drama until the identity of Big Mouse was revealed, which was a bit of an anti-climax. Without this mystery it became a common thriller with more and more obvious plot holes, dragging towards a rushed finale. Miho's illness and death were also so unrealistic and rushed that it did not have the emotional impact it could have had, although I can understand that Chang-ho could only rise to being the new big leader without her.
The best part for me was the demise of the Mayor brought about through the water in his own swimming pool - nice twist.

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@dramaddictally This recap was an absolute joy to read because of all the sarcasm I could read between the lines 😂😂😂 Agree with every single point.

I concluded that this drama was about the trajectory of Chango Ho's character from Big Mouth to Big Mouse without the detailing of the journey because nothing matters in this drama, except BM.

I'm happy that it gave us a closure, so I can put this behind me and move on.

@sicarius Do you know what is the difference between created by and written by? Wikipedia and AsianWiki attribute the story creation to the writers of "Vagabond", but writing to another person named "Kim Ha Ram", whereas MDL credits the work solely to Vagabond writers. Is creation an overview and writing is about detailing? If this is the case, poor writer had to make sense of jumbled points😂😂😂

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I went and looked into this.

Asian Wiki and Han Cinema also list a Kim Ha Ram as the writer, as does Dramabeans in the original news releases. But I can't find any information on her otherwise. MDL and Imdb list the Vagabond team, and Wikipedia and the Production website (KR) lists both.
Creator could mean anything from producer to director to writer to creator of original source material depending.

Either- I've been wrong all show and this has nothing to do with the Vagabond team and there's some serious mistakes on certain credits listings.

Or there's some kind of reason for the strange credits that we don't know about.
Maybe the Vagabond team original penned the idea but then gave it to another or assistant writer to finish, or they were head writers and Ha Ram an assistant writer, or they ended up working on it despite original writing news, or they pump out scripts and give them to the studio and the studio gives them to on the ground writers or?????
I've no idea.

Honestly, either way, this show has the Vagabond writers written ALL over it to me, but I don't know how to solve this mystery without someone who can read Korean to do some more sleuthing for me by reading the Naver articles and the official MBC page for it that Wikipedia cites :/
Any takers? Lol

(https://web.archive.org/web/20220106161314/https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/057/0001604344
https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/018/0005236028
https://program.imbc.com/BIGMOUTH)

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Thank you! I tried to be so even-handed throughout most of the episodes, but at the end all of my qualms just came pouring out 😅
I read your review on the Beanie Reviews post and I thought your analogy about navigation was perfect. Exactly.

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"Chang-ho is busy preparing to become mayor and riding around in SUVs with an entourage, while Mi-ho takes the bus home alone after her doctor’s appointment. For me, this sums up their relationship."

Why even bother making them husband and wife? (except as a mechanism to get her into the prison). She could just as easily have been his sister, cousin, friend or neighbour that happened to be a nurse. Apart from CH wheedling to get her to go out with him, plus a short fumble under the bedclothes buttoned securely into matching pyjamas, there was absolutely no indication they felt more for each other than any brother/sister relationship. I've never seen such a se.xless marriage, even when CH wasn't in jail.

No wonder he didn't care about her having to catch a bus. Why invest any concern for someone who exists only to work unstintingly on your behalf and bows out at the end so you can go on to bigger and better things unencumbered? It was an appalling end and not even a believable one. They got rid of the only person in the show capable of thinking (until she ran into the mine of course - but we could argue she only did that because the script writers needed a way to get rid of her).

I get that time in the BM universe moves at a gallop, but Mi-ho was diagnosed, treated and expired in record time, all without ever looking ill or losing a single hair. We did not even get a sense of time passing nor have the time to feel any kind of anticipation or dread. If you're going to kill a main character, make it count. Wring every last tearful blub from the audience, but this was treated with no more importance than anything else.

Well I love LJS and can look at him for hours, but quite frankly, I'd have been better off just looking at him wearing nice suits in photoshoots and not bothering with this show. I don't think I have the energy to pick it all apart, but less breakneck speed, less unlikely twists and turns and MORE skill in using the remaining elements would have made all the difference.

Mi-ho and the Mayor were the only characters with any kind of depth, mainly because they were the two that actually had conversations with other characters, but they were both tossed aside at the end.

I'll finish by saying my phone wants to change Mi-ho to "Mix-up", and it does make a good point. This was a mixed-up sleight of hand posing as a drama and while it wasn't truly terrible, some truly terrible plot and character decisions were inexplicably made. I'd far rather have seen CH and MH become corrupt gangster and moll than this ending. He may look good riding around in SUVs with his entourage, but where are the brains in this organisation?

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I could start on these writers' Women Problem [tender also Vagabond] but I think people are tired of this from me at this point. Miho's entire existence was to support the male lead on his journey and then die quietly and selflessly. And, honestly, I'd rant but can't be bothered.

I also have issues with Big Mouse going from being this genius con artist and thief to being a two-bit thug in charge of a gang of thugs. Which is why, I still maintain that Jerry is secretly Big Mouse and the whole gang and ostensible leader is merely cover for his Big Mouse activities. It's the only thing that makes sense.

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I think we are supposed to accept he is not a thug and they are not two bit thugs. After all, Mi-ho directed us to think he would be a "good BM" after her death. So she was good for ongoing PR too before she took her last breath. I am reminded of the lyrics to 'Won't Get Fooled Again' by The Who -

Meet the new boss
The same as the old boss ...

It's been great exchanging ideas with everyone. Perhaps we'll meet again on another thread. Adios.

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Fully support the "Jerry id real Bog Mouse" but I'd like to think he just looks beweildered at the secret organization like "what are you doing in my name"

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Yes, to everything in this comment.

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Took me forever to be able to watch this 😂. The plotline had a number of issues towards the end as is sadly common in k-dramas, but overall I thought it was pretty well done. The fact is that k-dramas aren't usually very "balanced" when it comes to plotlines for multiple leads, they're always about one lead more than the other. Sometimes the female lead, sometimes the male lead, that's just the way it is. I guess if you really wanted to see one of more than the other and they weren't the one in focus that's annoying, but for me the balance felt fine. I thought Miho dying was sad but it was no disrespect to her character, she went out strong. As someone who has lost people to cancer caused by toxic water contamination and involved in the slow moving and probably never to be fruitful litigation, this spoke to me. The frustration and pointlessness and realization that you can't fight the system resonates. Yes, Miho shouldn't have died, but that was kind of the point. I think you're *supposed* to be left feeling upset about it. And then the rest is mostly wish fulfilment. It doesn't happen in real life and probably shouldn't happen, but at least in fantasy the powerful do have to face consequences of some kind.

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