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Open Thread #776

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Hi beanies, I hope y'all are doing great.

I watched Waikiki with a friend by call. She didn't make a sound the whole episode so I thought she was hating it. When it finished she said it was fun and that we should watch episode 2 tonight.
Now that I think about it I think I've never seen/heard my friend laughing out loud. She's a friend from college so it's been five years since I met her. Maybe she just smiled for the entire episode? Maybe she doesn't make facial expressions while watching something? Now I'm curious.
Oh, and I felt so embarrassed because I was laughing like crazy while she was so quiet. I remember that for a sec I thought she was gone and until she said "that's so wrong" when Soo Ah broke up with Dong Man. 😂

Have a nice day/night beanies! 💚

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You must have felt like a fish out of water watching with your very highly comported friend 😅. I can imagine. Laugh out loud in peace please :)

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Totally. It was weird, and I'm pretty sure there was a moment where she lowed her volume. 😂

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Maybe she put it on mute as she might sound terrible when she laughs I definitely do make the weirdest sounds🤣

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I want to watch something funny with you after reading this. (If you come to the country of Van Gogh, ping me in advance, or if I am visiting the country of Bard of Avon, I will ping you)

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😂

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I was listening the show from the call. I could even hear when her mom talked to her but I couldn't hear her laughing.

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Wow, that’s proper composed. I needed that in class when the teachers turned around unexpectedly and caught me laughing. I still get myself in trouble with my sense of humour and my uncontained responses. My brother knows what makes me laugh so he will see something and just like Poong counts in the reactions to acupuncture he does that with me and it never fails. He is so out of order, he doesn’t give me a heads up just watches me catch up and become completely hysterical. I love that I have a sense of humour, I just wish I had your friends ability to reign it in at times!

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I talked to her. She told me she was laughing, I just didn't hear her.
We watched episode 2, I finally heard her laugh. 😂

I think it's cool you can just laugh all you want. It was pretty good uncomfortable when I used to watch dramas at 3am in my mom's room because I couldn't laugh out loud. My face started to hurt so bad. 😂

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Love that you finally got to hear the laughing, so glad you brought this up so we could all share our tales about laughing in public.

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OMG, I will be super aware and uncomfortable. (I laughed till I wheezed while watching that show)

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Yes :( I've never had this problem before so it was uncomfortable and I stared to hold back. Let's see what she says when I ask her😂

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That must have been awkward. 😂 I'm very big on reactions when I watch a movie or a drama, and that's why I prefer to watch alone most of the time.
But there's the occasional knock at my door that my laughter/voice has transcended the realms of my room. 😀

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My roommates know to ignore me when I'm watching dramas so they tell their guests to leave me alone whenever I burst out in laughter or I break out into a monologue or several monologues at times.

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My reactions are big too but most people I know also has big reactions or just don't care about mine (except for my bestie, she's always telling me to calm down -even tho she laughs after seeing me act all dumb).

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my daughter came upstairs to see what the heck i was guffawing at - i literally had tears in my eyes.... loved Waikiki !!!

well, at least your friend liked it! it only gets sillier!!!!

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This show is just pure comedy. I love it too! I've watched it like 4 times already.

Yeah, I'm glad she liked it. I was scared LOL

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Astory, the Korean production company behind “Extraordinary Attorney Woo” said it rejected Netflix’s offer to produce the series since Astory wanted to keep all the intellectual property rights. So it licensed the show domestically and internationally. Astory produced the “Kingdom” series but retained no IP which the company CEO regrets. "IP helps a studio earn sustainable money and keep growing. Without IP, the company has to depend on outsourced deals," he said.
In the case of "Woo," Astory holds the exclusive right to copy, distribute and adapt the original story. The web comic version of the drama is now available on Naver Webtoon, while a stage musical adaptation is in production. "All these businesses will help us stay afloat and produce better quality shows."

It is about control and profiting from content creation. Similarly, top actors are moving into direction-production to maximize their pay and to control the project. Lee Hung-Jae’s latest movie, Hunt, is a prime example of him co-writing, directing, and starring in a film. A movie actor gets paid upfront, a director-producer can be backend profit sharing.

The entertainment industry is changing rapidly as all parties are trying to leverage themselves into better positions. Netflix is like a grocery store that needs to re-stock its inventory (shows) on a regular basis since licensing usually lasts only a year. If it owns it own shows, they control distribution for a long time. Even small production companies now value the long term approach of owning their stories instead of getting paid more upfront to just produce the project for hire.

Astory is thinking about a second season of EAW, but its own success could backfire as PEB has become a leading TV star in high demand. But since it owns the story and characters, it can re-cast and sell to a bigger network of platform to get a higher ROI.

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The issue with the second season is the cast heard about it on the media... PEB is the main actress and they didn't even talk to her about it. They put a lot of pressure on her shoulders.

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Did you mean Lee Jung Jae?

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Yes, Lee Jung-Jae.

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They may be able to recast a supporting actor or two, but PEB? No way would that work IMO.

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i love your intelligent brain you share with us. i love the things i learn just from reading your posts and going oh that's why it is that way. thank you!

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@welh

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This time of year makes me feel nostalgic for Hometown Chachacha… Lala-lalalalala-lala Romantic Sunday, anyone?
I’d watch it again, but I don’t think I could take the OTT aegyo…
I love how seasons remind me of dramas and the laughs / thrills!

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I just finished HomeCha and loved it to pieces! Those nosy neighbors grew on me, and I cried so much in the last two eps. This is actually the first time that I think about the fact that we need to be part of a community in order to be truly happy. I share this same sentiment with Twinnie @carlybisek.

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Wouldn't say this if you watch Boar Hunting ;)

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I have an opinion that, to me, HomeCha seems to represent summer, whereas When the Weather is Fine winter. Now I’m looking forward to having some shows that can represent spring and autumn that share the same relaxing vibe as the two mentioned.

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Do you want a cup of coffee seems like Spring to me. I am watching twelve nights and I am only part way through but it feels like it could represent Spring too.

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Thanks for the suggestions!

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Not so good week - heh - much accurate

Liquid diet for autumn - let's see.

Lovely Clouds - Nice cool night air - pretty normal weather except lack of rain. dry weather - much needed for reforms.

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no rain - drought or
fast rain - cloud burst style - floods - flash floods

Never seen both -

Years back - huge flood - one of the biggest -
starting of this autumn - huge flood - same as before - but more media attention maybe. adding more media liked words.

what reforms, what policy changes, what disaster management ?

any!!? any? ever thought about it?

You get what you deserve - Your actions make for your future.

XI - CCP - drought - Well, ccp has money to make artificial rain.
XI really is in his own made troubles which he shouldn't be.
In 2018 i said Hong Kong is done for -
In 2022 - i say - small fry is also done for - This is XI's ticket to get back into game.
Doses - with least efficacy forced lockdowns over and over 0 common man is already cornered - that's why you could see voices against ccp few months back. nationalist fervour is good to fool others, not to fool yourself.
Same with whole banking system - which is way more over leveraged in real estate - and its in news since 2010 - Stock market which no one has trust in - investment schemes where scams are abundant.

As long as you keep people happy, as long as money is in their hands - they not care much about other things at all. But financial pinch strikes way more hard than anything else.

That's why inflation is biggest danger to any leader or government.

Inflation - makes things happen - the real fun indicator.

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Does anyone else think we should have a trigger warning for dramas only available on Disney 😐 That way we can see that as the first line and then choose not to read the rest to avoid hopes being raised then crashing when we know a great sounding drama is never going to be available to us.

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Agreed. Been pulling my hair whenever I see certains drama only available in Disney+ 😓. And yet, you do have those in your subscription but it still not watchable just bcoz you are in different region 😭🤦🏻‍♀️.

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I use a VPN but yes it’s very frustrating when you’ve subscribed to a service but still get geo blocked.

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I signed up without my VPN so now I can’t use it unless I set up a whole new account. I don't know if there is enough on there to warrant the hassle of paying out another subscription.

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Really? I created an account before I started using a VPN, and I can use it. I just sign out, turn on the VPN and sign back in.

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You can sign up separately and still use the VPN. I got my VPN after I had my Disney+ account. I have to make sure my vpn is on and set to the geo location I want before opening the Disney app though.

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@missh i know I tried that strategy didnt work with Disney. With Viki they detected the VPN and sis dit goes against their terms and warned I needed to cease or risk losing access!

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Surfshark is what I use and haven’t had a problem yet.

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I find their kdramas hard to watch even though I have access to them as they only seem to have English close caption subtitles in my region and it’s really distracting to have (gentle music plays) (sucks teeth) every second line.
(Don’t get me wrong, it’s great they have CC subtitles but it’s really annoying not to have the option of regular subs).

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I was thinking that a resourceful young Beanie or Minion (not me!) could follow up with Disney and find out WHY they don’t stream kdrama in the US. Possibly contact the writer who covers kdrama news for Variety or another Hollywood industry publication (or even the Wall Street Journal) and find out what they know, or even plant the seed for a story about it with them. It would be a great service to Beaniedom!

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Right? I would be way more likely to be understanding if there was some reasoning available, even if it was pretty thin. I've tried to search around for an interview or something before, but I haven't ever found anything.

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Me, too. I found zip!

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Yes, since contacting disney (I'll capitalize it if they earn my respect) is just shouting into the void.

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Good thinking, I’ll do that too! Of course it autocorrects 🤨 but we can fix that.

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I admire y'all who only watch dramas legally. People always complain about Disney+, but Netflix geo-blocks dramas too.

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I know. Do they do this for dramas that they have access to as they are airing, or just for ones that they acquire rights to after the fact? I don't think I've known of any dramas that they geo-blocked (for the US anyway) as they were airing, but I could easily be wrong. I haven't been at this all that long.

To me Netflix is a little different too because they have a ton of kdramas available, which is why I haven't delved into other services as much. But Disney+ doesn't really seem to have anything except Snowdrop. At least not when I checked last.

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Yeah, Netflix has different licensing agreements in different places, but they do release most kdramas worldwide, even if it's after they finish airing. I thought Disney+ was going to go that route too since they released Snowdrop after it finished airing but nope. Maybe it didn't get enough viewers in the U.S. and other places but most had probably watched it illegally. I don't know how they can look at the success Netflix has had with kdramas and not think about releasing their kdramas everywhere.

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I haven't watched Snowdrop because I read about how it was sort of controversial, and then I read about how it wasn't all that amazing, so it seemed like my time was better spent elsewhere. But of course people have all kinds of reasons for watching or not watching. I hope they aren't basing their release decisions on how many people watched this one drama. What a flawed logic that would be.

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it's a money pit. you signed and paid up to watch the shows and you get a geo-block. not fair consumer practice. Then you get a VPN, only to be told it is illegal. One wants to stay above board, why are they making it difficult?

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The reason is that U.S. people think Disney channel should only have children's shows. This is because on regular cable channels, there is a Disney channel which has always been for kids. (It's a competitor to Nickelodeon.)

So parents think Disney+ is a streaming service for kids and they get upset if there are mature shows on that channel. There have been recent news articles about Disney+ having movies like "Deadpool" and Marvel movies.

Since K-dramas are almost always for mature audiences, I think that's why Disney+ geo-blocks them.

I wish Disney+ would just stay out of the K-drama business if they're not going to show them in the U.S.

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💯 % agree!
They have audacity to show it in SK but not in the US. Which is so bias 🥲

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Thank you, that’s so interesting to think about as a business model. Only in the US (and Canada?) must they remain kid-friendly … which includes massive violence like in Marvel. Huh. Hating them even more right now 🤔
I wonder if their kdramas do have a lot of mature content? More than most kdramas, which seriously is not much!
I wish they would have stayed out, too.

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No, that theory doesn't hold up. Disney+ has already started adding mature content this year, and introduced product features that lets parents / account admins control what content their children and other family members can access.

I think the geoblocking probably has to do with a combo of the following:

1) Regional licensing deals

2) Content strategy: Kdramas do not hold sufficient appeal to Disney+'s subscriber base. Yes, kdrama lovers like to say that kdramas have widespread popularity, but that's a self-selecting group. Citing kdrama popularity on Netflix doesn't work because Netflix's user base is different from Disney+'s, and the two platforms are in different maturity stages.

Disney+ is in growth stage right now, so they are going to be prioritizing content that optimizes for incremental subscriber growth. I would bet money that if you look at Disney+'s user segmentation, (potential) kdrama viewers are a small slice of the pie and not the biggest opportunity segment.

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I believe this topic might be redundant and someone already invested so much in tracking the numbers.
But, what is the highest record for drama recap ever reach in DB site?
In my time here, the highest I ever encountered was written by our pioneer @girlfriday: W-Two Worlds (episode 7) with 930 comments on it.

Wondering if there is anything else that surpass this one 🤔. Happy long weekend, Beanies ❤️

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I think it was Healer’s last episode. It’s currently at 11,000+ comments

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😵🤯...that is superb!

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you wouldn't believe the beanies. I nearly even had a black shirt that had the line 'eternally yours...' printed at the back. Had the graphics but couldn't find a retail printer in my 'hood and beyond. Of course, I had a director's cut dvd.

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Oh my love, I’m all yours. And there will never be another one, i am eternally yours (or something similar to this) 🎵

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My heart's a flameeeeeeeeeeeeee and it's burning in your nameeee~

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Even through the sands of time
My love will always grow
And I’ll never let

*dance*

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And I won’t let go*

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That’s really funny, 930 puts all the current dramas like Extraordinary and Alchemy in the shade until you hear Healer’s figures. I think it shows the traffic on the site in that era as I assume that was signed up members and the guest visitors.

I also wonder how many were critiquing the quality of the story, acting and writing and how many were just happy to share ideas with others who were loving or hating the show and trying to work out the finer details of the plot.

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Yes...judging from my Beanie level, I don't think that I am qualified enough to write down that I critiquing every single show that I watched.
Only engaged when I feel interested in reading more theories.
It has been a while since I read a good recap writing (many of them left and they have change the format quite a lots after several years).
Mostly, I tend to read in ease and not critically thinking or paying much attention in finer details. But, I do that whenever I encounter some fun theories and hidden plots that might be possible/ missed while I watched the drama.

Having said that, I'm also improving my English vocabs here and still in awe when Beanies here are so eloquent in writing their comments ❤️.

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We have some amazingly talented writers within the community who express my thoughts and add so much more.

I am impressed that so many people, from around the globe who rely on subtitles to watch Korean dramas then comment on them in a language that is not their mother tongue. Hopefully, there will come a time when online communities provide a space for K drama fans to read and write about Korean dramas in their native languages.

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The Beanie level just reflects activity on the site and for most the length of time they have been here not necessarily how deep the reflection. We are all touched by different things even though we watch the same drama. Some prefer to keep their thoughts to themselves or take time to process, by which time, it’s too late to comment as the conversation has moved on.

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Healer is untouchable, but The Liar and His Lover Episode 16 has 2,833 comments.

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Ooohhh, never watch that drama. Wow, what a record!

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That’s because the liar ninjas use that recap for other things! What things, you ask? @sicarius can elaborate.

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Healer finale! 11269 currently lol

Healer recaps blew up after Episode 8 and all had consistently over 1000.
Next overall would be the Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo recaps- every second one of these had over 1000 starting at about episode 7.
The City Hunter recaps also got over a thousand at the end.
But the only other ones that got higher than 2k other than Healer I think were the TLAHL finale as mentioned ^, and the Just Between Lovers thread- but JBL wasn't recapped, so fans picked a news thread and camped there all show haha.

I used to have this in a doc somewhere but I can't find it >.<
I've always meant to make a proper list of them all, overall most commented vs single threads etc.

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Moon Lovers was always surprising. It seemed like a genuinely horrible drama

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I was always a bit indignantly surprised, at the time, how it was so WILDLY popular and talked about SO MUCH on practically every kdrama forum in existence at the time of airing- because I also think and thought it was a terrible drama haha.
But I do get it in a lot of ways. Popular cast, even if not all at the same level of talent, popular story, the Chinese version is famous, promised big and epic, didn't deliver but you know :P, etc etc.
Probably got both a lot of comments in adoration of it and also in tearing it to shreds haha.

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I loved it and remember it fondly 🧀🧀🧀

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Tbh I think popular but flawed is more likely to generate comments than popular but good. After a while you get tired of “everyone was excellent once again”

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@beffels and often there's nothing better for sparking a massive discussion thread, than dissenting opinions over something 🤭

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I never understood the success of this drama. I liked the beginning but it's all... Except the main 2 Princes, the Princes were pretty bad 😅

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I wish it would become available on viki for a good rewatch

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My father wants to have a potluck bd party on his upcoming birthday, so I’m planning to make lasagna (I only made it once in my life and this time I’ll only use pork as there are some who don’t eat beef) and caramel custard pudding because he doesn’t want a cake.

So now I’m trying to perfect my custard. 😅

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I found it is hard to mess up lasagna. I have made it before replacing the noodles with thin layers of sliced potato.

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I might be the first one who does that! 😅

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Btw, I hope you register soon. Your comments are insightful and fun to read, and I’d love them to be in black. ;)

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I make a killer veggie lasagna - even my meat for every meal brother in law went for seconds. The water bath method is critically important for custard (for flan at least). Buona Fortuna!

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The killer veggie lasagna sounds yum already. But I’m afraid I’ll have to go with meat this time ‘cause everyone here will go “booo” if there is no meat in the lasagna. But I’m really interested in your veggie lasagna recipe. :) May I ask for it sometime?

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The secret is using no-boil lasagna noodles because they absorb all the veggie juices much better than the cooked version. The best recipe is Martha Rose Shulman's in the New York Times. If this link doesn't work, you could try to search for it. Haven't made it since we decided to go "no-dairy" so maybe I'll do some experimenting as winter approaches!
https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/12474-lasagna-with-spinach-and-roasted-zucchini

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Has anyone watched "Anna" starring Suzy? It's on Amazon Prime in the U.S. - both versions: Coupang Play's (6 episodes) and Director's Cut (8 episodes)

I thought it was great.

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I think @katakwasabi liked it, too.

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I saw the 6 ep version and thought the story was not bad until I read in twitter that Coupang did the director dirty by editing away many scenes, which if included would have made the story a whole lot better because those scenes were to depict Anna's repressed emotions and the reason behind her actions.

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

2022 has been a year of trying anything but the airing K-dramas. Okay, I have two beans, but still. I group watched classic K-dramas I never would have gotten around to watch otherwise. I broke my promise and started a second makjang against my better judgement.😄 I watched Japanese animes, got introduced to Thai remakes and finally returned to the nostalgic British shows that were collecting dust on my never-ending to watch list. Today I outdid myself yet again. Since there already is little time to watch, let alone watch everything, I did not want to waste my time on rewatches. This evening I pressed play for the second time…for the first time. The secret formula? Memory loss.🤣

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Makjangs are fun, watch them with no shame. If we think of them as some kind of comedy they're perfect 😂

I feel you, everytime I rewatch something I'm like "I'm wasting time, I should be watching something new, I'm so behind with dramas", and then I hit the play button.

You made me want to rewatch The IT Crowd, again.

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"You made me want to rewatch The IT Crowd, again." Is that a compliment or a reproach?😅

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Maybe both? 😂 I love the show but I've watched it like 26389473 times, so maybe I should try something new. Hehe.

Btw, I did. I rewatched it. LOL

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I agree with @enriquequierecagar if it brings you joy why not rewatch as often as you need to. Life is short so why not do something guaranteed to bring joy. I am doing a lot of live watching but I it’s mainly for the shared experience for the conversation if I could do a watch party on oldies like The best hit I would be all over it. They are comedy gold or pure rom com & so much better than having to watch out for the Truck of doom or being on random stalker alert.

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September should hopefully be another live watching month. There are a lot of interesting premises in my opinion. This rewatch might might it easier to press play! :)

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May I say, I am trying to decide. Our trip to Italy with visits to son and sister before and after has grown to a big thing. We haven't traveled outside our tiny town in a year; only a trip to meet our future daughter-in-law and help our son move across country. Just a little thing. eh? This trip has grown to 27 days away.
Happy for them, happy to be at sea level, happy to see my beloved sister.
So..., do I start all the September shows and pick them up later? OR do I trust in life's unfolding and take a pretty obviously mandated Kdrama break? Any Beanies on the Ligurian coast of Italy??

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Sounds to me like you have plenty of lovely real life events to be focused on but it may be a time issues anyway.

It might be better to wait and binge watch the first four episodes of each show on your return. It is much easier to make an informed decision on which to continue and which to drop when you are a few episodes in. If you watch the first two and they are great and then go away and come back excited to see what happened only to discover it went down hill you will probably feel more disappointed than if you deal with it in one go after an epic trip.

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I so rely on Beanie wisdom. Mille grazie!

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So, I watch a few youtube channels that recap movies or ranks topics, etc and I was just thinking how sometimes I wish there were something like that for these kdrama. I mean I get that these comment sections kinda do that but just to imagine if there were a Pitch Meeting video about Boys over Flowers or Cafe Minamdang (I chuckled as I thought of Cafe Minamdang because I'm quite sure the things I seen in the comment section especially from @sicarius would be said in a Pitch Meeting video haha especially about the younger characters' casting and/or age gap)

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First of all, how did YOU KNOW! I have actually done a couple of Pitch Meeting styled shitposts before for certain dramas LMAO
Second of all, I've actually though about starting one of said channels for kdramas, but like... don't like the format or YT enough for that, nor do I have the time or energy. (Dylan is in Trouble should get into kdramas instead, to save *me* the trouble.)

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I would definitely watch that show if you ever get the energy inclination 👍

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