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Strangers Again: Episodes 9-10

In our penultimate week, we watch as our couple navigates their maybe-we-are-a-couple-again waters, which — as expected — stirs up old issues. Have they addressed any of the things that came between them to begin with before jumping back into this relationship?

 
EPISODES 9-10 WEECAP

Where has my cheeky and deep-reaching drama from a few weeks ago gone? I started out really enjoying this exploration of a divorced couple forced to work together again and close out all the baggage they left unaddressed. But as the weeks progressed, the thread of this story was lost. While I can’t pinpoint exactly when it happened, all I know is that this week’s penultimate episodes left me disappointed, and is rendering the whole drama flat.

Last week, we ended with Eun-bum agreeing to see Ha-ra again, and this week we see them immediately jump headfirst into their relationship. Except we kind of don’t? While we see them hanging out and acting like the long-time couple they are, I’m actually left feeling like the drama is skipping over all its interesting questions and moments.

After such a cruel betrayal, why was it so easy for Ha-ra to go back to Eun-bum? Why did Eun-bum go back to her to begin with, after everything he did to get a clean break? Why is none of this dug into at all? I fully expected the drama to show us their slow burn realization that they were still attracted to each other despite it all, with subtle fluttery moments mixed with the gravity of important moments of emotional honesty.

Instead, we got a comedic string of sudden confessions from Ha-ra last week, and this week, we watch the couple ricochet back into their old relationship. It doesn’t feel like a thing has changed between them. On one hand, yay Ha-ra for forgiveness? But also… what about this huge lie of a divorce, and all the issues that tore them apart to begin with? Instead of understanding anything our characters are feeling for each other, we just have Ha-ra go right back to bulldozing her way through their relationship — and wasn’t that kinda the problem to begin with?

The only explanation I can think of here is that the drama wants to show how easy it is to re-enter a relationship without dealing with the original issues — which is fine, and also accurate — but if this was the argument to begin with, this should have been where the meat of the story was. As it stands now, I’m not sure where the meat of our story actually lies anymore.

In what I suppose is Act III of this story, we turn to the question of children and the role they play in marriage (after rolling through infidelity and family/in-laws in our earlier acts). To start, Bi-chwi finally (thankfully) realizes she’s pregnant, and goes through a completely predictable arc with Shi-wook. Denial, eventual discovery, intention to get an abortion, abortion mission aborted, an unwanted marriage proposal, and then an acceptance of said marriage proposal. The drama wants us to believe in this couple, because Bi-chwi gets to have her career and be an adored wife, and Shi-wook gets to be a stay-at-home dad and adore his wife and child. That’s all fine on paper, but I never got the sense that these two truly loved each other. And does Bi-chwi even like him?

Another complicated pregnancy story rears its head with Ha-ra’s case this week — her young cousin is divorcing the wife he loves over the fact that she doesn’t want a child and got an abortion against his knowledge. This whole case/relationship was brimming with so many uncomfortable red flags on both sides; I also wish the drama didn’t feel the need to pull the Child Question into every single plot arc this week. It was already a major heart issue for Ha-ra, and I didn’t require any more convincing.

But that’s what all these supporting pregnancy/childbearing stories are meant to do: push Ha-ra to express her deep desire for a child. Now, this is actually excellent as a growth arc for this character, and as the deep-seated issue that disrupted her marriage… but has she not learned or matured or grown at all? Rather than understand Eun-bum’s position, and how this broke down their marriage in the first place, she proceeds to bully him.

Teaming up with his mother — who we learn is a bit of a cruel woman — Ha-ra is convinced that if she can leverage Eun-bum’s greed, he’ll agree to have a baby. In other words, have his mother give him an expensive building he’s always wanted if he’ll agree to father a child. This is not only insulting to Eun-bum (or any human), but it’s also just off-putting and disrespectful in about every way.

Needless to say, it’s hard to get behind a divorced couple that’s seeing each other again, but still can’t understand their root issues (Ha-ra’s bulldozer mentality, Eun-bum’s unwillingness to be honest). I don’t understand why the drama wants to show us zero growth in these characters when it could have been slowly showing us the maturation of their relationship from the get go. At least then we’d have something to go on. We’d understand why they want to be together again, instead of it just feeling like it’s happening by default.

As we near the end of our episodes this week, though, we finally get somewhere. Eun-bum shares with Ha-ra the truth of his childhood, from the way his mother treated him to the guilt he feels over the accidental death of his young sister. This trauma makes sense for the Eun-bum we have come to know, but why wasn’t the drama interested in showing us his healing process as a part of his own willful growth? Why is it just a byproduct of Ha-ra and his family’s bullying?

And so, I’m left feeling the same way with almost every arc we’ve got going on right now: why does our drama seem to skip over everything that’s interesting in favor of a boring default mode? I was longing to see some of the emotional honesty we got in our first handful of episodes, and see that uncovered and unpacked as our leads debated rekindling their romance. Instead, the drama just made them jump back into their previous MO without much thought (or sense). As a consequence, the drama has given itself the unwieldy task of attempting to do in its final week what it could have unfolded over the course the twelve episodes. Sigh.

 
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All along I was understanding of both the leads, despite their flaws and actions of the past. But these two episodes made me very frustrated, especially with Hara. I feel like nothing had changed and she continues to be the same. I am now on team ‘don’t get back together’.
I feel like the core issues of their failed marriage continues to exist. The core of the issue is that she does not respect Eun Bom. She continues to bulldoze until she has her way.

1. Eun Bom left the marriage because he was tired and frustrated. He was cleaning up behind her, had no say in matters etc etc. probably suffocated. And nothing has changed. He still cleans up after her. He did that at office with orange peels. And at home, her house did look messy and he had to clear her dining table and do the dishes. Hara hasn’t learnt a thing (which is ok if that’s how she wants to live). She was dizzy and elated that he cleaned up for her. Really? One might argue that he does it because it makes him happy to do things for her. I agree. But eventually when it adds up he is going to feel the same way. Tired and frustrated. They will be back in square one all over again. When you live alone you can live however you want. But when you bring another person in your life changes have to be made. I don’t see her making any changes for his sake.
2. Kids - There is no right or wrong answer here. But both of them have not had a proper conversation as to why they strongly feel about it. Hara wants a kid. I get it. But having a child is two peoples responsibility. You can’t just have a kid and see what comes next. If I were Eun Bom I would have asked her if she can take responsibility for a child. For cooking, feeding, nurturing, cleaning etc. Is she capable of coparenting with him? I hated that she got into the relationship again hoping to convince him to have a child, hook or crook. The whole thing with his mother, was such an unforgivable act to me. Goes back to her not respecting his decisions or even wanting to know why he strongly feels this way. I can totally see the marriage HELL Eun Bom talks about. Once the kid is in picture he can’t even leave.

I see both Hara and her friend very similar. They both are unyielding and have a my way or highway attitude. If my friend told me she strategized with her ex’s mother I would have called out the shitty behavior. I have never seen these two give any criticisms or advice or opposing point of view.

Sorry about the rant. Just a frustrated beanie 😅

I am pretty sure that last scene is probably a fake out. But even without it, I don’t think these two should get together. Not without a conversation that is respectful and sincere. But if neither of them have changed since Ep 1 I doubt anything will change ever.

I want to drop but the bean is right around the corner. Arghhh.

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That last conversation was ridiculous as all he had to do was stand there wait for her to come off the phone and ask what she was talking about. She would have said straight away as she has nothing to hide and the potential misunderstanding would be clarified as she was clearly talking about something else.

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It might not have mattered. I think it probably brought back memories of his original issues to the forefront.. Why he left her so cruelly by divorcing with a lie.
I was surprised he was accepting of her joining hands with his mother. That should have been a red flag. May be he was too upset with his mother he failed to see what she did wrong. Hearing this phone conversation made him realize how she has treated him all along. He was someone she would always manipulate to have her way.

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It was absurd writing for him to just accept her scheming and blame his mother.

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That last conversation better not be a fakeout. It better be real and provide needed finale conflict - to be or not to be, even though I now so dearly want them not to be.

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Oh, Blue, I can't agree with you more. I've always been on the "never get back together" team, but this week's episodes reinforced my feeling. Nothing has changed in their relationship, nothing. And the fact that HaRa thought that making his mum give him a building will make her change his mind was awful, selfish and absolutely wrong. I can't even understand how EunBeom didn't get mad at her (he's too shocked). If they get back together, they will be unhappy ever after, and I think that is the ending we will get.

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I agree that this week's episodes were flat and disappointing overall. I continue to love the lead actors together, and want for the last two episodes to somehow miraculously fix all the characterization and storytelling decisions happening right now. But I'm not feeling confident this will happen. I certainly am not feeling how I thought I would after ep. 10. That is, I can't root for these two people to end up together because they don't want the same things. It's as simple as that.

Ha Ra was so frustrating this week! I cannot defend her actions at all. She's the one who declared herself to Eun-bum and wanted to get back together; he did not pursue her or make overt or tacit promises that anything has changed. So he bears no responsibility for the fact that he still doesn't want children. Instead of thinking this through before getting back together, Ha Ra decided that she wants Eun-bum AND she wants a child and that because they still love each other she's entitled to both. I truly do not understand how she cannot see or acknowledge how wrong that thinking and attitude is.

I know it's hard, but Ha Ra has to make a choice: stay with Eun-bum and not have a child or find another man to love so she can have a child. Of course, she also needed to make this choice *before* declaring her love to Eun-bum and pushing for a reconciliation.

I also agree with what you said about the secondary storyline. Although I did get the sense that these two had deeper feelings for each other than they acknowledged, and that the relationship could have gone further if one or both of them had been less stubborn, the fact remains that it *didn't* go further. They broke up and it's over and that's that. Maybe they would or could have reconciled down the road, but there was nothing in the present relationship that explains the way they're acting now. I mean, I think it's consistent with Si Woo's character that he wants this child and thinks it's his responsibility to marry and take care of Bi-chwi. But from what I know of Bi-chwi I think the most she would have done is calmly inform Si Woo that she's not ready to be a mother and ultimately, that's her decision to make. Or maybe I could see her decide she does want the baby after all, but the most I'd see her agreeing to is for Si Woo to help support and raise the child, but not as her husband. Everything we've learned about her character up to this point suggests she's not interested in or suited for marriage, even if she has feelings for a specific man.

I liked this drama so much at the start, and still love the premise I *thought* was at the heart of it. But it's a big mess right now.

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Ha Ra has to make a choice: stay with Eun-bum and not have a child or find another man to love so she can have a child.

See, that's her issue. She never found another man she could love and doesn't feel confident she can. So she thinks it's best to convince Eun-bum to love her and give her the kid. Like, his wishes don't matter at all??!!
You are absolutely right - She was the one who reached out to get him back. If she wanted to get back to him, she should have accepted his wishes. Or given him reasons how she has changed and how they can make this work again. Nothing has changed! Right now, I just feel like she is a spoilt entitled kid.

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I think the secondary couple had too little time spent on their relationship exploration that it feels like they wouldn't have hone further without the baby conception, but I understood the point of their story as being "love tirumphs all". Si Wook just wants to go with the flow and not overthink of their compatibility issue that he is even willing to bend his traditional mindset to be a stay-at-home dad. On the other hand, Bi Chwi is willing to birth the baby after hearing out his plans and believing that she and the baby will be taken care by Si Wook. If that is not love, then IDK what is because they are both willing to adjust for each other which I think is a foundational stone in any relationship.

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I know SK is a country in which it's really rare to have a child by an unmarried couple, but I would have understood much better Bi Chwi if she had told Si Wook: we'll do this together, but right now I'm not ready to get married. This child is ours, but I'm not sure I'm seeing an "us" in the near future and this is a lot to process. This would have fitted her much more, and knowing Si Wook, he would have understood.

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I really thought the drama was exploring various relationships and wasn’t pigeonholing relationships to be standard marriage+kids. Now I don’t know what this show is about anymore.

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@missvictrix thank you for the weecap. These really were weird episodes. The contrast in the cases for a start. There was a funny arc with the waste of space ‘marriage graduate’ co owner of the firm trying to prove himself to his wife. She, however, has moved on so much she gets over her relationships and continues to treat them with such warmth that he was confused into thinking maybe he could win her back. The court room scene were he went for the patriotic approach was priceless.

I am glad we finally heard about the little sister but that whole using a building to get a child when Hara was berating her cousin for using underhand means to get a child was just another example of Hara’s ‘all about me and my needs’ show.

I don't like the second couple at all but his self care box for her post abortion care was so thoughtful, especially because he prioritised her right to choose over his upset that she made that choice.

I will miss this show when it ends next week.

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He really was sweet isn't he? I loved that he reached out, was understanding of what she is going through, yet adorably tried a conventional marriage & responsibility approach, yet at the end still respected her decision. Honestly, I don't think she deserves him.

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She really doesn’t seem to appreciate what he has done and is willing to do for her and this has remained consistent from the start of their relationship. Does she even know who he is or is it his similarity in looks to her last boyfriend that means she is in love with the idea of who he is. I have never seen her be nice to him.

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I do not agree that she doesn't appreciate him because why else would she feel hurt and sad over their breakup and be conflicted about the baby? A constant affirmation of feelings is not necessary to prove that a person is deserving of another's love.

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I did not see ANY affirmation of her feelings. I only saw sexual attraction and dismissal in her interactions with him. We saw and heard him doing affirmation. I agree we saw her upset. Maybe I missed the implicit things she did whilst his were always explicit.

On reflection I realise the only main female character consistently portrayed with positive elements is the CEO. All other female characters we only see their strengths when they are doing their work or showing up in a crisis as a friend; outside of that they are shown gossiping or behaving in self centred ways in their interactions with others.

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I didn’t either. If they didn’t have a single conversation that wasn’t a disagreement it’s hard to see their common ground. The show should have spend more time on what they did outside in the hotel. Even a small conversation would have been nice to see. Or something. Anything.

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using a building to get a child ... just another example of Hara’s ‘all about me and my needs’ show.

That was the moment Ha-ra - and this drama - lost me. That was reprehensible, unforgivable, horrible. I didn't even finish the episode.

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Does the ML still like to play soccer? Inquiring minds want to know.

As for the dog custody case -- is it really best to keep the dog in a country where people EAT DOG MEAT?

I'm sticking around for Kang So-ra, the Bean, and chances to poke fun at the story, but the story itself 👎👎👎

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Hara is really an awful character. Eum-Bum has just started to have a new relationship with his mother. She knows that the situation is not ideal. But she had no issue to team up with his mother and how well does she know him to think that a building will change his opinion? He lied to get a divorce when she started to talk about baby. But a building is the magical solution? It's so insulting for him. She doesn't care about him.

Eun-Bum needs closure for the past. He's still depressed. He's just living day after day. A love relationship with Hara is the last thing he needs...

The second couple is still cliché after cliché... and still not convincing at all.

The case of her cousin was terrible. Stealthing is serious. I found Hara too casual with it.

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The cousin case was a shock after shock. First the fact that she had an abortion, but then we found out he had reverted a vasectomy??? In my country that would count as sexual abuse!!!

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I think they said the stealthing wasn't in the law yet, it was why he was lucky...

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I'm with Ha-ra on this one. It seems to me like he is not listening to her talk about how happy she will be to be a mother and how happy she will be with him and how the two are separate things. Eun-beom saying "are they not enough for each other to be happy" is basically saying the two scenarios are one. But then, they are clearly two cases of happiness that both matter to Ha-ra on the same level.

And there's a statement he made, "he doesn't want to make a tie he cannot sever". Wow! Really!! That was another no-no for me. I hear his trauma and I understand it. But to form that conclusion...all I can hear is "It won't be a difficult process if ever we have to go our separate ways. Since there's nothing except our love linking us together, we won't suffer too much". And believe me, this puts his decision to not have a kid with Ha-ra prior to their initial divorce in a new light.
I now have two perspectives - what will happen if he has a kid with a strong-willed Ha-ra and it scares me too, and now the conclusion he made while processing his everything about younger sister's death.

If they're not getting back together after this and I seriously want them not to if Eun-beom isn't going to reassess his conclusion by putting Ha-ra instead of his mother into the variable. I'm very much okay with Ha-ra wrapping things on her own end if Eun-beom is going to remain the way he is.

I really felt scolded with the implied financial manipulation of his mother especially when I was definitely on the ship. I'm sorry Eun-beom for being in agreement with the plan scenes earlier.

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I am with you. Although, I do think that Ha Ra discreetly joining hands with Eun Bom's mom and enticing him with a materialistic was awful, I am also of the opinion that she doesn't deserve so much criticism. Eun Bom never explicitly said that baby planning was one of his issues for divorcing. In fact, he himself clearly never understood that it was the core issue that lead him to run away and being "tired of marriage" was just an excuse for him to put an end to that plan. The show should have brought up the trauma story earlier and given us a beautiful conversation either not all people are meant to be parents or that some can do good parenting despite their childhood trauma because they have been through the pain of not having supportive parents.

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It happens more than we think that one in couple doesn't want to have children, and then that couple breaks up and that same person meets another one and that person is ok with having children. The reason is not "I don't want to have children" but "I don't want to have a child with you". This may be or may be not what happens to EunBeom, but I can understand why he doesn't want to have a child with HaRa, specially when we see none of them have grown, and HaRa will be as suffocating as she was when they were married. And don't get me wrong, I really like HaRa, I totally understand the way she is (I also may be a little pusher myself), but sometimes just love is not enough to keep a relationship going.

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I clearly understand it if he doesn't want to have a child with Ha-ra, believe me I do not want to as well. The thought alone scares me and I very much do want to see the reality of it.

But he really has to explain what he means by "create a tie he cannot sever". Is it that he is scared of not being able to love his child enough? Or that he would be tied down in a marriage if ever he wants out because of the new variable (the child they share), when the first variable (their love) is not enough to cover the multitudes of irreconcilable differences.

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"Creating a tie he cannot sever" part is bugging me. It can be seen in so many ways, but from my POV I took it that his bond with the baby can't be broken even if there is a mere possibility of him running away from Ha Ra once again. It clearly says that he cares 0% for Ha Ra and wouldn't mind ditching her and hurting her feelings, if his peace is compromised. His probability of staying in the marriage for the kid is greater than being with Ha Ra which is a sign of not valuing the partner.

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And that...is the greatest red flag for me here.

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I took that line to be about his own relationship with his mother. I thought he meant that his relationship with his mother is one that brought him pain, but he couldn't ever really let go of it because she is his mom. So then he is worried about not being a great parent and having this tie with his child be a painful one to both parent and child. To me that line sounded like, "what if I become just like my mom" which I think a lot of people fear when they are deciding whether to become parents.

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One thing I like about this show is that when they are done with a character, they are really done with them. Love interest for the ML? Never saw her again. SML boyfriend of the FL? Broken up with decisively and does not reappear. Maybe other people feel like this isn’t tying up loose ends, but I like that it keeps the focus of the show on the leads where it belongs, and not on the romantic extras.

Once again, Ha-ra does her best to make my sympathy for her evaporate. I thought Eun-beom took it so well, and so graciously, when he found out that she had suggested the horrific manipulation attempted by his mother. Still, I really enjoyed the conversation that followed, and I’m glad that it cleared the air a bit between them.

I can’t decide how I feel about the fact that the primary conflict in their relationship now is whether Eun-beom is willing to have a child, or whether Ha-ra can give up on the idea. On the one hand, it’s not the issue that caused Eun-beom to be miserable in their relationship in the first place - that award goes to Ha-ra steamrolling him at every opportunity (a trait she still displays, btw). On the other, it might be the only issue that they have where it’s hard to imagine a compromise. So I really appreciated them showing Ha-ra as she comes to realize Eun-beom’s perspective and that it’s not just him being selfish. (Although, not wanting kids because your life is great without them is also a totally valid reason not to want them.)

SUPER interested to see how the dynamic between Si-wook and Bi-chwi evolves. When Eun-beom said that he didn’t know if Si-wook was being progressive or conservative I laughed so hard! I liked that he didn’t belabor the point and switched into being supportive of her choice after she rejected his proposal. The box he sent her was so sweet.

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The nonchalance with which Ha-Ra teamed up with Mother-In-Law to manipulate Eun-Beom, tells me she has done this before before without batting an eyelid.
However, the fact that Eun-Beom brings up the financial trauma brought onto him by his Mum, a fact that he clearly hasn't had the need/ desperation/ willingness to tell Ha-Ra before in their X years of marriage... tells me he has considered to share more with her. Ditto, with him confiding about his sister's accident.
Clearly, a guy who's shut out his wife all these years, is beginning to speak up, and share. [All to fall on Ha-Ra's seemingly un-listening ears, if we go by the last scene of ep 10]. She is obnoxiously still the same, but it would be unfair to claim nothing's changed about him! :)

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I agree, I think he's doing a better job of letting her in than it seems like he did before.

Part of me wonders if the reason Ha-ra can't imagine that Eun-beom actually might have good reasons for not wanting a child is that she is unable to articulate her own reasons for wanting one. He's asked her why she wants a baby, and the best she could come up with was that they were cute, and it would be so cool to have a small version of the two of them running around. In the face of all of the difficulties of parenting, that doesn't strike me as a great reason, and certainly not one that acknowledges the fundamental changes to your life that becoming a parent entails.

I honestly don't trust the scene at the end of ep 10. The show has been cagey before and things turned out to be quite different in reality, so I wouldn't be surprised if that one-sided conversation he overheard was actually much more innocuous than he assumed. We'll have to see. Regardless it doesn't sound great from his end.

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Irrespective of the matter, I don’t think ‘I will somehow convince him’ is a right approach to anything. It should have been ‘I will discuss with him, talk to him etc’. I think that’s the problem. So I don’t care even if it was trivial conversation because the core of the problem is her always trying to have her way by convincing him.

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I have never wanted Ha-ra and Eun-bum to get back together, and after these last couple of episodes, I feel even stronger about it. Eun-bum said something interesting when talking about his mother. He said, “She needs to have everything in her hands and control.” To me, that explains why he he’s with Ha-ra; she’s just like his mother. A bully and a control freak.
As for the Bi-chwi and Shi-wook, good luck to them! They’re going to need it.
Was this drama billed as a rom-com? It’s so heavy, and honestly, about the only characters I have no problem with are CEO Hong and Shi-wook.

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That's a brilliant Freudian analysis on Eun-Beom!!!

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I’m not an expert in this field, but based on life long observation, I’ve noticed people tend to gravitate to what’s familiar, even when it’s to their detriment.

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Once upon a time, the weecapper of The Law Cafe said something like "now that the leads are together, the tension is predictably gone" and I said something like "because I didn't see any real difference between dating vs non dating dynamic (they argued, there was overprotectiveness,etc) , there was nothing lost for me". Watching episode 9 of this week's episodes made me think I kinda understood what the weecapper was talking about then. Even though technically their characters' haven't changed, once Eun Beom & Hara got together, I instantly felt less interested. Maybe it's because I didn't want them to get back together in the first place but regardless, it just felt different to me so it took me some time to fully watch the episode but I'm glad I did because once again an important topic was broached.
Before I get into the topic, I think them getting back together and having to face this topic head on was needed because it just proves that they shouldn't be a couple if their end goals are fundamentally different. Obviously couples can have differences but if one person wants kids and the other doesn't, that's a big deal.

Oh boy, I don't even know where to start (though I never do haha). I guess one of the main things that come to mind is selfishness. There was ALOT of selfishness in these episodes and I wasn't always a fan but sometimes I thought it was used well.

Let me try to explain using Bi Chwi as an example. There was definitely some selfishness in the way she dealt with her pregnancy. She wasn't even going to tell him and then when he figured it out, she wasn't even going to tell him about doing the procedure. I get it to an extent but he was actively willing to be a support to her and she completely dismissed his feelings and intentions because she was only thinking and considering herself. Again, I get it (to an extent) especially since she's the type to do things on her own without having to include other people in her decisions and in the end, this is her life and body. Then I guess it's assumed that she gave Si Wak an either/or choice? She would do the procedure or he would become a stay at home parent so she could continue her career. Since he seemed fine with it, I guess it's not an issue but objectively, that could've been an issue. Why not both parent take off some time from work and then eventually get a nanny? Though I'm sure it was just simpler for him to be a stay at home dad. Next, she still seems to want her space and independence, not particularly compromising. I could be wrong; the only things shown is the look on her face when she entered the apartment and her closing a door in his face after not reciprocating a heart thing. I get where Bi Chwi is coming from but I still think she displayed some selfish behaviors.

The case of episode 9 between the married couple was... frustrating to say the least because how dare he?! And yes, I put that on him because she told him from...

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The case of episode 9 between the married couple was... frustrating to say the least because how dare he?! And yes, I put that on him because she told him from the beginning that she didn't want kids and he agreed because selfishlessly he wanted to keep being with her. Sure, it can be said maybe he thought he would be okay with never having kids and he couldn't have known that beforehand but he lied about a vasectomy with the hopes of possibly impregnanting her for his own selfish reasons. He was envious of his peers having kids. Rather than just having that conversation, he tried forcing the situation.

Hara and Eun Beom's mother also trying to force and manipulate him into having kids when he said he doesn't want to have them also upset me. I'm not a fan of "it has to be a traumatic backstory for me to not want marriage or kids" idea. He's already said numerous times that neither thing was for him nor do they appeal to him and what happens? He's called selfish.
Hara trying to "convince" him just made her unlikable to me (not that I've liked much from the beginning) but it's like why is she holding on to him when they obviously aren't meant to be together in that way?

I get that it would be painful to acknowlege that but this kinda reminds me of why Eun Beom chose the cheating lie as a means of divorcing; she doesn't give up on what she wants even when it's counter to what he wants. Even them reuniting was mostly driven by Hara's needs.

What is even the point of the male CEO?! Well, I guess they needed a way to get Eun Beom into the firm but aside from that, what is his point? I think this week was the most we see of him and it's him dealing with his wife's boyfriend(s). And using patriotism for a dog's custody. For whose benefit did they just not divorce? In theory, I get having separate lives (as I've mentioned before, I saw that a Korean couple lived in different places and even in the place they had together, it's split into his & hers) but I didn't think that would mean her talking to him about her boyfriends (or even necessarily having boyfriends).

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I like Si-wook and Bi-chwi together, I like Ha-ra and Bi-chwi together. I like Bi-chwi. But it's very hard to like Bi-chwi when it comes to Si-wook.

Put aside the stupid game Ha-ra's cousin pulled, Si-wook freaking told you it would have been nice if the couple went through the abortion together, it would have probably hurt less. I know it is way different from whatever happened in the ep 9 case, but that's the exact thing she needed in her case. And she still shut him out and went on for the procedure without telling Si-wook what's up, especially after I saw how she reacted following his clarifying his point of view on the abortion. It's selfish. And to ask him to quit working? Super selfish. All is see is another ominous Ha-ra and Eun-beom waiting to be unveiled. I know Eun-beom will survive, I know I have to give Si-wook some credit but I don't think he would. It'll be suffocating cause I do not think Bi-chwi knows when and in what situation to stop thinking as me and reason as we, as us.

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I stopped watching around Ep. 3 w/the idea I might pick it up again as we got toward the end. After binging last night to Ep. 10, I share everyone's frustration.

I like both characters. Neither is cruel nor narcissistic nor mentally ill. They are loyal to friends, passionate advocates for their clients, So, I have been rooting for them to work their way back together.

With only 2 episodes to go, i have this very sinking feeling that (1) she's already pregnant from her one night stand with SML and (2) Eun Bom got a vasectomy at some point because he has been committed to being childless - that's why he doesn't seem worried about her getting pregnant. If I'm right, should he tell her? No -- they are just now exploring the new relationship and until they talk marriage and kids seriously, she doesn't need to know that.

I plan to finish watching the show - after I read Ep. 11/12 Weecap and know where and how often to FF.

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Oh Ha-ra seems to have jumped into this relationship again in a very emotional way without much consideration of what went wrong before and what the relationship should be from now on. I am pleased that she realised how important having a child is to her, but making that deal with her mother-in-law was pretty low.

I am not so happy with Eun Bom either. If not having children was so very important to him, he really should have told Ha-ra a long time ago - before their marriage. I also don't like that his reason is a trauma. If he overcame this trauma, would he then want children? He allows this trauma to rule over his life instead of trying to defeat it, just as he chose divorcing Ha-ra instead of challenging her behaviour. It is time he stopped running away.

At least the important things are coming out into the open now. I have not lost hope for them.

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Yes! Yes! Yes! to your second paragraph.
The issue with the child part speaks to me like he has his bags packed ready to run the moment any challenge that is within or beyond him arises.

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I beg to differ. Not everyone is clear about wanting kids or not when young. I assume these two got married young. People change. Life experiences make people think differently and wanting to live differently.
So we don’t know if he never wanted a child, or never thought about it or it’s something he came to realise as he lived with Hara.
As Jerry says, if having a child means (to him) he can’t cut off ties then he absolutely must not.

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In fact, Eun Beom said in early episodes that he hadn't had any specific thoughts about having a child, but it was when he met his noona (maybe cousin? we know he doesn't have any other siblings) and he saw how exhausted she was, he realised he could take care of a child for a couple of hours but not for a lifetime. And I totally understand this, because we all think at some point of our lives that getting married and having children is the "normal" thing because that's what everybody does and has been doing since forever, so you just don't give it a thought. And then things happen and you just realise the "normal" life is not for you, because there is nothing as a "normal" life. The life you decide to live is just your life.

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The issues in this drama are not addressed. Eun Beom does not communicate, he just sighs and takes it. Ha Ra is selfish and just sees what she wants to see. They obviously love each other, but their lack of communication and understanding is detrimental. They need to be better. SMH, I don't want them together at all.

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For real, and this is after more than ten years together........How did they even last that long?

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By not communicating. As long as they do not address whatever is bugging the house, they're fine.

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Until someone explodes and lies to get a divorce.

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I have so many questions. Why is Bi chi marrying Si wook? Why? She doesn't like him enough to do this. They could just co-parent if she's really keeping the baby.
Has Hara learnt nothing? Did she even listen when Eun beom told her why he divorced? Did she even bother thinking about it? Nothing has changed since the last time they were together so what are they even doing? And then teaming up with his mom to manipulate him into having a baby..........I was literally screaming at my screen. What the hell?! The shocking part is Eun beom wasn't even mad at her, it would have been a deal breaker for me.
Let's not even talk about the stealthing for this week's episodes, I really wanted to smack that man, his ex-wife should have gotten that 200 million won. Why is everyone trying to force people into having babies? Or is that the point the writer is trying to make.?

Regardless, if none of these issues are solved in next week's episodes, we can add both of these couples to our happily never after list because neither of them will last another year.

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@missvictrix, this was a really good weecap, sadly for some not-good episodes. I've joined the beanies who don't want Ha-ra and Eun-bum to wind up together. I can't imagine that they could demonstrate the amount of growth necessary in 2 episodes. I understand Eun-bum better now, but I dislike Ha-ra's selfish bulldozing even more. All the comments have expressed our disappointment well!

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After reading the weecap and all your comments, I feel relieved to know I'm not the only one frustrated and disappointed! Thank you all! : )

To me, Si woo is not credible at all or seriously lacking characterisation: how can a conservative man turn into a stay-at-home dad wanting to do all the house work?? LOL

I'm also tired of this cliché of undecisive women going for an abortion and finally changing their mind, when in reality so many women are so determined that they'd rather risk dying in unsafe abortions than giving birth.

Also, why can't we know about the phone call between Bi chwi and Si woo when she inexplicably agrees to marry him and keep the baby?? I hate it when writers don't bother ginving us an explanation and leave us trying to make sense of their mess.

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His values still hold good. He believes in marriage and family. That doesn’t mean he can’t be progressive about what roles and man or woman should play in a marriage. I think he has more traditional values?
I think the show tried to hint earlier on that he was mostly being misunderstood by Bi Chwi and quickly judged.
P.s I forgot what happened in earlier episodes 😅 but I vaguely remember her cutting him off when there is an argument. I could be wrong.

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"I'm also tired of this cliché of undecisive women going for an abortion and finally changing their mind, when in reality so many women are so determined that they'd rather risk dying in unsafe abortions than giving birth."

Same. I wonder why they even bring up abortion. It's almost a given that they'll keep it on TV.

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I wish they would treat the abortion subject in a more objective way. Bi Chwi is not ready nor willing to be a mum, and no echo can change magically the way she thinks and acts. I do get Si Won, and the fact that he wants to do what is correct respecting her wishes. Such a supportive partner is much more than she deserves.
I remember after their first night together, she was almost harassing him in the office much to his annoyance, I found it very offensive. Yes, they had sex, but she treated him like a toy. There is no way writer would have made it the other way round.

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I don't know if they're using Si-wook's character to say conservatism is archaic, its time has ended and it should now become an old school of thought.

I believe that we do not have to loose who we are in the process of refining our core values. In the refining process we get to know the ones that should stay unchanged, the ones should be remodeled, the ones that should be removed and the ones to be added in - all these under careful scrutiny and not just because we want to move on with the times.

So far Si-wook has proven to be able to see things from a conservative and modern point point of view and come to a conclusion in the somewhere along the line. But the latest stunt Bi-chwi pulled and him agreeing without question makes me question if he remembers who he is? Or is it that the writers have forgotten what he is, what he stands for? I thought he would question outrageous order request. Question why Bi-chwi would ask him to do such a thing. Question what makes her think she can just throw such a thing on him, especially with a tone of finality, saying he has no choice but to concur. Question question question every single thing. Alas! We do not see him do it nor do we see the end of that conversation.
If I was Si-wook, I'd throw it back at her and tell her to resign, hell be damned. I'm not the problem, you are. Whatever decision you make, I'm not moving from here.

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Did I misunderstand something? I thought he offered this to her, not that she demanded it. I'm going to go back to watch that scene!

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Yes, I did misunderstand! There is a scene where Si-wook is discussing the situation with Eun-Bom, and the translation says he will give up being a lawyer if Bi-chwi asks it of him. When Eun-bom asks him about it, he explains that his mother was a homemaker. Is this character dynamism? I'm not sure. It seems like Si-wook is OK with being like his mom instead of like his dad as a form of preserving tradition? But I think this is all attributable to that one case they had with the guy who didn't want his wife to take a job in another city, even though she earned more money and did all the chores in the house. Si-wook seemed disgusted by that.

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Just like fellow beanies said it very well, the show is going downhill.

When it comes to reunited lovers' stories, I am completely sold but what I want is more depth into the characters not two people getting together on a whim.

I would have been okay with it if Ha-ra and Eun-bum sat together, discussed their past issues, made amends and then decided to get back together. But what we get is a pushy selmodh heroine and a somewhat weak male lead who still doesn't speak up for himself.

Since fellow beanies put it much better, I have nothing more to say but I hate the storytelling decisions of rushing some arcs that need more insight like the secondary couple ,one moment Bi-chwi wants an abortion and the other calling Si-woon asking him to quit the office.

I even misunderstood it as her not wanting to see him again not that she wants him to do the chores. I wanted this arc to take proper time to get resolved but it is an issue with everything in the drama, everything is rushed without the proper depth.

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Unless the show's message is that when you rush into a relationship without proper thinking isn't the right thing to do, it is just another failure of a drama

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I am also in Team Disappointment. Nothing to add since the episodes' failings are well documented already. Just a shame the drama keeps wasting the potential of such appealing actors/couple through poor character and plot development.
What I wanted in these two episodes was more than the 10 seconds of giddy happiness we got before the drama plunged them into conflict again. I wanted them to discuss their conflicts and hurts, then learn, compromise and take steps toward resolutions. And we got, oof, this mess.
I (maybe?) have one pinkie left on the Ha-Ra/Eun-Bum train. I expect it to be twisted off by more crappy writing in the closing episodes. It really does make sense for them to become strangers again.

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‘ I (maybe?) have one pinkie left on the Ha-Ra/Eun-Bum train. I expect it to be twisted off by more crappy writing in the closing episodes.’ 👈 this made me see you and the writer re enacting the two scenes of the leads hanging on a cliff face and their very different reactions to each other. I agree with your prediction that the writer is more likely to go with the Hara response, I am interested to see how they will pull this off the ending. This is the only show I am currently watching live and I have to wait for the second episode to drop before watching because I can not be dealing with the cliff hanger endings two days in a row.

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Oh gosh. I hadn't even thought of that. Perhaps it was in my subconscious. :)
I hear you about the torture of cliffhangers (looking in the rear view mirror at you, TIoL.) On the other hand, there'll only be one cliffhanger next week as we're heading into the final episodes.

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I think it is a big blunder that this show chose to have a comedy about marriage graduation and patriotism, when it could have focused solely on thought provoking issues such as wanting or not wanting a baby and the lengths people would go for to keep their end of the goal intact. Despite the poor execution, I am still interested in the message the drama would be driving home even if the main couple make it through all or not.

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Silly me, I honestly thought the show was saving up the seemingly useless CEO for some big, enlightening reveal and instead there was this timewasting dipshittery.

It would have been so much more interesting to use that time to explore deception - both self-deception and deceiving others. Is it ever OK to be less than honest with your spouse? When does a white lie or omission to save feelings turn into a betrayal? Is total honesty (like the CEO's wife's) really always good? Etc.

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I'm undecided at this point if show is just kind of going 'real' - many things happen at once in life, and you don't always have the chance to sort them out before the next thing comes along and hits you - or if it's just bad writing.
I can understand many of the weird things our protagonists do. Or maybe I should say I *could* understand their actions if they would be explained to us in more details. That is the main problem that I have with Show - that so many so big issues are just left there without being explored. Like the implosion of Hara's family and what that must do to her. She's just being her normal self right now, when I'd expect someone being shaken for more than one week by such a thing. And I do suspect that this really is bad writing and not Show trying to show us something.
And in the beginning I liked the conflict about yes or no to baby, I loved the questions they asked in that one situation - can we be happy without a child? Can we be happy with a child? That is a real life big issue question that every couple should be able to answer! I agree with other beanies that not wanting to have children doesn't necessarily involve trauma. You might just not want to, end of.
I didn't like like the lenghts Hara was willing to go to get her baby, but at least she saw after it went down that she shouldn't have teamed up with Mom. I can even imagine that Mom manipulated her into this. But, again, instead of a dog trial they could and should have dug deeper into this.

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My thought about the show as a whole was that maybe the idea was to show what happened when they go into the secound round with their eyes open and everything laid out - her now broken family, his childhood trauma. Both are things that had been going on for a very long time beneath everyday life. Hara couldn't have known about her father's other family, but it was there all the time and informed her father's actions in a way. But it doesn't seem that it goes into that direction, instead there seem to be misunderstandings being blown out of proportions (that could be easily solved by just asking). Or maybe that cliffhanger is a red herring, too.
But I wanted to point out one change in Hara's behaviour! At least one thing she has learned: there was one group meeting at work in the kitchen (I don't remember exactly what it was about), and she volunteered to clean up when everybody had to leave! It struck me as important that this would occur to her, but we'll see if that's true.
And yes, I left out all the other stories on purpose, this was already too long as it is...🙄

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Ok I scrolled past the entire weecap (will come back and read + edit my comment once I'm done with ep 10) and all of the comments haha. Few thoughts here after watching 9 eps:

1) Show is still a solid watch for me and I like how marriage/relationships are portrayed as shades of grey and how honesty (to urself and ultimately to ur partner) n communication are pushed as the 2 more important qualities in a healthy relationship. But I love how realistic and "flawed" they made the whole process feel.

2) What is happening between EB and HR is the exact reason why I feel that exes should never get back together unless you have totally ironed out/addressed/communicated abt the root cause of the breakup in the first place. Neither of them is being honest about the elephant in the room here - communication abt a child. I'm getting tired of HR, she's incredibly selfish and just insists on her pov. I've met women like that before, and not only are they super domineering in their romances, they suck as friends/human beings as well. KSR makes her feel very relatable and grounded still, but I honestly dislike these types of people. EB is still as passive as ever and still avoiding the reason for why he doesn't wanna have kids in the first place, such men/people are also a pain to live with, with their people-pleasing ways. I've seen relationships like theirs completely break down in real life, so I'm not surprised that they divorced initially. But pls, have a real talk abt the issues between u guys? No amt of sex and kissing and dates is gonna hide the fact that both of u have opposing views of kids

3) Also, in real life, it's pretty pointless abt marrying someone who has a different view of kids as you. I'm surprised that no just EB/HR, but so many couples never talk abt this before marriage. And then u have people like HR's cousin, who go along with the idea (not being honest) and it blows up in their face later. Like, just be honest from the get-go and so much heartache could be avoided.

4) Bi-Chwi's behaviour and demeanour is actually a sad manifestation of hook-up culture. The person ends up having no connection with themselves/with other people, "uses" others and it all winds up in a car-crash scenario. Honestly, Attorney Kwon seems like a pretty alright guy, I just don't see them working out long-term as a couple cos they have such different sexual/relationship values. And I think these sorts of attitudes are difficult to compromise.

Also, as a woman in my 30s who has never wanted kids, I find the whole discussion of should I/shouldn't I have kids and the whole point of marriage themes pretty interesting in ep9. Lots of people have HR's mum's beliefs - why marry if you don't want kids - and then u have HR, who represents alot of ppl imo - never really knowing "why" you want kids except cos it seems "natural", "everyone is doing it" and they are "cute". I'm firmly on EB's line of reasoning on this one...

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Waiting for your part two after watching episode 10 and reading the weecap and comments. I like the dramas that inspire us to share our thoughts with our Dramabeans buddies. I have paused dramas to make notes when I don’t want to forget a reaction to a scene.

This is a rare watch for me because it has kept me coming back week after week with the cliff hangers even though I don’t like some of the characters’ personality/behaviour traits.

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@reply1988 For sure! Planning to watch ep 10 tonight, accidentally read some spoilers and I'm abit worried of what will unfold 😂
Same! It has no like suspense or like big thrilling arcs that is making me come back, just honest, raw realistic portrayals of real-life relationships. All of the characters are annoying/flawed in some way, but alot of us are too. And it's also partly cause I relate to almost all the main characters' relationship dynamics and their personalities - have observed it in others' relationships, my own etc and have behaved in ways I haven't been proud of either. Just super relatable!

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Bi-Chwi's behaviour and demeanour is actually a sad manifestation of hook-up culture.

Actually it is more than that. She wants to be independent and doing things she likes rather than looking after a baby, household, partner or in laws. Numerous women give up on their dreams once they get settled in life with a husband and kid because they are taught that it is the norm. If we take the case that was shown earlier in the drama, where even if women are allowed to pursue their dreams, they are still forced to balance their household and ambitions. So, when a women acts out, it feels like she is embracing modernity that will not help nuture a family and is frowned upon by society. This is a thought that has been cultivated by generations upon generation of patriarchy who are unwilling to accept the flaws in the system, but chose to blame it on progressive culture.

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I wasn't referring at all to her wanting to be independent and have a family etc or the societal pressures/burdens of the family caretaker always fall on the women. I totally get that and am aligned with her on that front.

I was referring specifically to the selfish nature of hookup culture. That there are individuals like Bi Chwi who have no care or feelings whatsoever for their hookup partner except having their sexual needs met. That even though Si Wook mistaken it for (the responsibility lies on both of them for not ironing that out and making assumptions) a real bond/possible serious relationship, and expressed as much in an earlier episode, she just brushed him off and has constantly belittled him - calling him tacky etc whilst continuing to sleep with him. Did he enable it? Definitely. But did she have to treat him that way? Absolutely not. She has never been nice to him and has always had a condescending my-way-or-the-highway attitude towards him. Which begs the exact that Si Wook has asked her - why sleep with him if she finds him tacky? He got himself into the mess yes, but she just uses him and is shown not to feel a least bit sorry about it.

In her interactions with Hara as well, she constantly supports her entitled, selfish behaviour and rarely gives counter-advice. Being an independent woman who wants to buck society's patriarchal culture doesn't give one a free pass to act like a jerk who is callous about who she's sleeping with. If the roles were reversed and if she were a man, everybody would be calling him out. This is the sad part about hookup culture - that some people end up making use of other people and that for some others (Like Si Wook), there is an inability to just have no strings attached sex and be cool about it. Alot of people just aren't wired to be this nonchalant about sexual intimacy - and that's fine and actually needs to be talked more about.

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I do not think Bi Chwi is getting any less blamed than if a man had portrayed this role because people have been criticising her for her lack of respect towards Si Wook's feelings. The point is the drama took an interesting premise on marriage, relationships and divorce, but it failed to explore them in depth and subsequently made "hook up culture" give into traditional ways of marriage and commitment. There is no wrong with modernity as there is no wrong in archaic ways, but the drama planned on its end game of conforming the secondary couple to marriage and therefore it never showed why one (Bi Chwi) would be comfortable with casual relationship and why more and more people are going that route. Even the "marriage graduation" part is there only for comic reasons. This makes me wonder if the writer just equated independent women to be selfish and obnoxious, so viewers could have more empathy for Si Wook.

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‘The point is the drama took an interesting premise on marriage, relationships and divorce, but it failed to explore them in depth’ 👈 I agree with this as a statement in itself. There were so many important points raised each episode like the two very different women choosing to have an abortion ignoring the voice of the father. Two very different circumstances both raising fascinating points about choice, communication, contraception, intentions, the stage of relationship, the body of the woman, career, lifestyle etc. They then select a couple of the points to explore but even they are only partially explored.
Another example the female lawyer playing hard ball then gets a call from her son and suddenly there is a shift in tone as her personal life is brought into the discussion. Again only partially explored before they move on.
I think this is why I am still enjoying this show; it is thought provoking even if it feels like some of the themes could have done with a little more development.

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I think you are misinterpreting my MAIN POINT totally, which is - you can hook up with people and still behave like a decent human being when you are with them. Not act like a callous I dont give a crap about ur feelings, only my sexual needs matter person. That's just basic human decency. I don't even disagree with what you are saying above, and Idk why you feel the need to word it in such a condescending way and explain to me what is going on in the drama, when I totally understand what is going on because I've just as much relationship experience as all the characters there. Lol.
And I mean, this is a Korean drama at the end of the day - marriage is still relationship end-game for them culturally, so no matter what, they will always try to shoe-horn marriage into the equation. And K-dramas rarely write nuanced characters or properly explore their motivations, so expecting a proper exploration of BC's motivations, especially as SFL is just expecting too much. The writer "equating indpendent women as selfish and obnoxious" won't be that far off from the cultural attitudes prevalent in SK either.
I don't really want to continue this conversation with you, so let's leave it as it is.

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I'm with you on this one! Ps. I'm turning 30 next year. I've attended 3 weddings in the past one week. All close friends from back in college. I'm surprised why nobody is having these conversations. -_- My brother didn't, but he got hitched at 22. I don't expect the same kind of naivete from my contemporaries, but it is, what it is! :/

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The fact that Ha-ra wants to have a child because that has always been the natural order of things isn't wrong or devoid of reasoning or following the crowd blindly and as such she's just doing it for doing sake. For Ha-ra, it's a sound clearly intentioned choice. It's not just an accepted wisdom for her. She's not having kids only for the sake of motherhood and because it's a given in a marriage, she also said that motherhood is something that is a source of happiness for her, something clearly separate from the happiness she'll get from a husband.

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This drama actually feels too short for me. It’s possible everyone’s reactions are due to that they are not giving enough space to our couple”s arc. I feel as if I missed two episodes that bridges the space between them being apart and about debating about having children. I feel those missing episodes would also include flashbacks to show that Bi-chwi did really like Shi-wook.
I actually do see a lot of growth for Ha-ra this week, unlike others. I don’t think it’s enough yet, but it is a start.
This started with her taking care of her friend, instead of just using her to complain about her life.
She is actually aware of the things Eun-bum is doing, like cleaning, rather than taking them for granted. (Although having a frank discussion about how to make sure Eun-bom doesn’t end up giving in more would be better.)
She at least acknowledged that Eun-bom had a different view than her about having children. She realizes they have to figure out what to do about it.
She horribly uses his mom and money to pressure him but at least she is starting to see that scheming tactics just back fire and hurt him and her. She was able to admit and apologize about the situation which I don’t think the Ha-ra at the beginning of the show would do.
She needs to develop more, but I actually think this pace is quite realistic of gradual change that people go through, and I don’t find her hopeless. I don’t know that the show has enough time to complete the arc naturally, though.

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I'm perhaps the only one in the minority.... cuz it's impossible for me to like this show even more!! For starters, I love how difficult topics are acknowledged in the story. Addressed sufficiently for us to take our own stand, but the conclusion is never too preachy, trying to shove it down our throats. And as a result, nobody is painted a complete villain. You either resolve the issue, or you walk your own way. And both decisions are equally fine! This is the case with our main characters, as well as the case-of-the-week clients...

Eun-Beom & Ha-Ra's story (though frustrating, yes!) appeals to me, because 5-7 years down the line, I see that happening to more than one of the couples in my peer group. In fact, most of us have already walking down that irreversible trajectory. I'm also amused how the lawyers in this show end up taking not-so-ideal cases due to previous obligations, for which they have to go to trial, even if they are morally judging their clients for it! xD
For a show that claims to be a rom-com... I'm always taken aback by the heartfelt and poignant writing of a few scenes. The ones that stood out to me as stellar was the conversation she had with her sister-in-law's attorney, and of course, the scene of her consoling a sobbing Eun-Beom, where the camera pans out and we see an adult Ha-Ra comforting and hugging the child version of him (healing his inner child!) T_T

I agree with the comment above, the pacing feels appropriate, and I have a renewed appreciation for the show when I approach it from a slice-of-life lens!

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I'm in the minority as well cos after ep10 I still love this show. Everyone is a mess - which accurately reflects reality XD Lol. People who think relationships are straightforward and always bright and shiny are kidding themselves.

I see EB/HR's story play out allll the time around me - loving couple dates, married and realises they are opposed on kids. Like, don't you discuss that beforehand? But ah, you can and one party can still lie about it with tragic consequences (HR's cousin).

The second leads' "relationship" - one of the byproducts of hookup culture is also something I see very often. And sth that another poster above just didn't understand at all. People thinking they are okay with being casual about sex and then start falling for their partner/realising they cannot have no strings attached sex (Si Wook) and people who are aye okay with it (Bi Chwi) to the point that it makes me wonder if it has damaged their ability to bond and deeply connect with others
(science has shown that their oxytocin receptors are usually damaged). Also, ppl can hookup and still have basic respect and decency towards each other, though it sometimes may be harder with the transactional nature of the encounter. Hookup culture is so prevalent these days, especially with all the dating apps, that I wished these issues and more are talked about more frequently in mainstream media.

I too love that it's not overly preachy and that there are several ways of looking at a relationship, all are equally valid. I didn't really see this as a romcom and more slice of life! The com bits aren't jarring but sometimes low-key eye-rolley when they make serious incidents funny.

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First, thanks for the recap! I appreciate having a framework for discussing just what is happening in this series.

I had two big emotional reactions to these episodes. First, I thought that the letter Shi-Wook wrote to Bi-chwi that was in the care package was the thing that changed her mind. I found it very moving, one of the sweetest things in this show so far, and I got choked up watching that scene. The reason she avoided getting into a relationship with him, I think, was that his traditional values seemed like they would interfere with her seeing her as a person. By writing that letter, he let her see that the offers of marriage weren't only coming from a traditional, sexist place. He's a corny guy and a patriarchal guy, but he isn't stupid and he really likes her. Also it seems like his vision of what a patriarchal guy does for his partner has shifted a lot during the series.

My other big reaction was when Ha-Ra was apologizing to Eun-Bom for trying to get his mom to bribe him with a building. He literally said out loud in front of her that he wished his mother would ask him why he doesn't want children. By the end I was basically yelling, "OK, but ask him why! But tell her why!" When he finally did I was so relieved, even though I knew from all the hints what it was going to be. Yet there was no aha moment there at all.

I still have no idea why he left her in the first place. I know some of you think she's a steamroller and a slob, but I think she's the one who had the flashback about that. She's the one who is worrying about it. When he cleans up for her while she's on the phone, I thought she was upset by that, not elated!

He literally chose to pay her a ton of alimony by lying about having an affair rather than tell her what was going on. (Which makes her choice to try to get him a building in exchange for a baby really weird!) We are watching her bumble around like an idiot because he won't tell her what's wrong. He's sneaky and she's clueless.

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‘ He's sneaky and she's clueless.’👈 This sums up the drama in one sentence thanks for sharing these thoughtful reflections on this drama. It is such an interesting drama because it is not superficial in the storylines or characters.

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