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Would You Rather #8

In dramaland, leading ladies often find themselves torn between the love of two equally attractive men — a choice none of us would want to make! But what if you did have to pick between the frustrating lawyer and the adorkable police officer? In this weekly feature, we ask you to make the difficult decisions — and we aren’t limiting our options to dreamy oppas.

Vote via the poll and feel free to use the comments to explain exactly how you were able to choose! So, Beanies:
 


 
WOULD YOU RATHER #7: RESULTS

Another week with another clear winner, but it honestly wasn’t the one I was expecting! I thought for sure that there would be enough downsides — as depicted in Kiss Sixth Sense — to make more of you hesitant to see the future. But I underestimated your love for swoony kisses!

Kisses weren’t your only reason the majority of you those that option though, and you made some very compelling arguments. As @ladynightshade pointed out, living in a metropolitan area would be an absolute nightmare — a sensory overload of nasty odors — if you could see smells, and @enriquequierecagar agrees that the ability would open your eyes to a whole gross world that we’re all better off not knowing about. Plus, as @lordcobol reminded us, visions of the future can also bring knowledge that can build wealth — assuming you’re lucky enough to have visions of things that will help you win the lottery or invest big in the stock market.

Although the minority, 109 of you couldn’t overlook the negative aspects of having visions. Some, like @welh640, were concerned about the consequences of knowing — or misinterpreting — the future, and @cozybooks went so far as to say they’d rather “see the color of [their] husband’s farts than be interrupted with visions of [their] mother’s death.” (Oh yeah, that made me chuckle.)

And then there were those of you who thought outside the box. @abalyn was curious to know how the ability to see smells would impact and inspire her art, and since smell is so “intimately connected with memory,” @hacja pondered — as part of his procrastination process — how the intersection of sight and smell would affect memories. Personally, I think I’m more drawn to these questions than I am the knowledge of the future. But those kisses, though…

 
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Easy choice. Joseon queens get killed left and right. Plus, they have to tolerate numerous concubines, listen to old dudes throughout their life and see a few of their kids die.

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I'm curious to live in a male body (Kim Min-kyu's body seems to be a win)!

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K-pop idols don't have to be male though, so it would only be a 50% chance you'd get to try it out!

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I chose it from the examples : A Joseon Queen and a male idol. There is no interest to swap body with the same genre and the same area otherwise...

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This one was easy for me. Women in Joseon had less and less agency as the Joseon period went on, and being a queen would be incredibly restrictive. Even if you ended up liking your husband, it doesn't really matter since you rarely get to see him and you'd have to share him with other women. Your body is not your own because your only job would be to produce male heirs - and think of how dangerous pregnancy and childbirth were at that point. Hard pass.

Being a k-pop idol would be hard, for sure. You'd have to be on a restrictive diet and work out and practice constantly. But at least you'd have some control over your personal relationships and be able to make decisions about your future.

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Two different lives with lack of self-determination and people asking difficult things of one’s body? I picked k-pop idol because dancing, though exhausting, is cheering. It would be fun to do that for work for a few years. Joseon queens seemed to experience some of life’s greatest traumas, so no to that.

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Just remembered that scene from the crowned clown (movie) and if that's also the case with queens, I would like to have some privacy in the bathroom and post-bathroom so, K-pop idol it is!

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I think both choices have some real negatives. Being an idol is a sweat shop practice/ slave contract. Being a Joseon queen has its hardships, political distress and baby factory pressures to make the next king. Ranks, structure, rules, protocols seem rigid in both worlds.

I guess I would prefer the modern world perks of an idol over the cloistered world of the palace.

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Both options suck, but between scheming to survive all your life and working in inhuman conditions for years since youth I'd rather choose the latter. At least idols CAN take breaks and retire alive while queens couldn't. As long as the body I'm getting stuck with is a strong and healthy one (and preferably has some natural talents for this job other than, you know, looks) to get through all the hardships I think I can make it work. Always wanted to have a music career in one of my next lives anyway)))

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Goodness. Both are not good choices.
One requires singing and dancing in public (shudders). Other involves dealing with men and politics and trying to stay alive.
K-pop idols have relatively more freedom (still not the best option- can’t eat what you want, can’t go out as you please, can’t date anybody without risking a scandal etc etc ) compared to a Queen.
Atleast you can retire from kpop when you grow old and retire. So I will take this.

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When do Kpop idols retire? What's considered retiring age in the KPop world?

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I don't think there is a particular age of retirement - we still have some people in their 40s continuing their idol activities just like they did in their youth, tho maybe in a more relaxed fashion. Still, it's a niche for youngsters so... Generally once idol's initial contract expires, they have a few options to choose from: stay in their current agency and continue as before (if that's an option ofc), continue the career but switch to another company (or even establish their own), stay in showbiz but change the career path (switching to acting/variety/modeling, becoming a composer/vocal coach/dance trainer/producer etc) or retire for good - either by living off their savings or finding a non-celeb job. This dramatic phase usually happens to idols of mid-20s to early 30s age range. After that you're pretty much allowed to retire whenever you fell like it as long as you're not tied to another company by contract (and even that can be cancelled by court in some cases or just by paying a huge fine). Plus you can always get forcefully retired due to a scandal at any age. Serious health issues and marriage (mostly for female idols) are also common reasons to jump the ship. All while male idols often struggle to maintain their fame after 2 years of military service... We also need to remember that idols are LEGION in terms on numbers yet only a few get big so many less lucky ones end up forgotten and have to give up at some point. Some do return back to showbiz eventually.

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When their group disbands, I guess. After some members still continue music or change for acting or entertainment.

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The standard trainee contract is 7 years. If you do not debut in that time period, odds are your idols days are over. If you debut, you may not earn back expenses during that period and some have retired at that point in debt.

A successful idol at the renewal stage of their first term has three choices: re-sign with the agency; sign with another agency; or change direction (many go into the acting field while a few host variety shows). Some idols retire due to health issues, family problems or burnout.

I can't think of a k-pop idol in their 30s. If they keep singing, many transition into musical actors or a different genre, like trot.

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The group of the second generation are in their 30s like Super Junior, 2pm, etc. But they're not idol only anymore. They all have different career beside being an idol.

g.o.d. still had concerts in 2022.

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true. Have to add Shinee to that list. Some of it depends on what they choose to go into after the initial idol phase such as acting, managing, music, producing, variety shows etc. There are lots of related fields or diverse fields to get into yet still have a part in the original group. Shinhwa is the best example of that so far. Also, after the idol phase and army duty is over they are more free to pursue individual talents and interests.

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Oh, there's plenty of 30+ active idols))) Even 40+ is not a career death sentence anymore as proved by Shinhwa etc.

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Yes, I meant in original group and stage. Most have diversified their career paths by age 30.

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Even though these quizzes seem easy to others, I think they're getting harder haha
Once again, there's nothing particularly appealing to me about either choice.

- Joseon Queen: constant threat of being killed/poison/deposed, used for political means, limited/no autonomy
(Sidenote: as a black woman, there's *rarely* any instance when I would choose going to the past)
-Kpop idol: spartan training, constant threats of being cancelled, constant criticisms, stifling rules & unofficial rules, worn bodies (I've noticed that male idols seem to have back problems often even though they're only in their 20s; the extreme diets)

But if I had to choice, I would choice body swapping into the Kpop idol because I think it would be kinda interesting to the world as a guy haha

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‘ Sidenote: as a black woman, there's *rarely* any instance when I would choose going to the past) Exactly! It is hard enough now where we are all one ‘mistaken identity’, wrong house, car journey away from a literal life or death situation. Have you read Three mothers: How the mothers of MLK junior, Malcolm X and James Baldwin shaped a nation?

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No, I'm not very well read haha

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It’s a recent book about the cultural context for the women growing up and becoming mothers raising their sons to survive. I listened to it on audiobook it is a tough listen as it the circumstances were harsh but really interesting.

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I'm prone to anger and/or deep sadness when I read or watch these types of things which leads to me venting/ranting so I tend to avoid it. But it's kinda funny you mentioned this but I was recently talking about the resilience of the people in the past.

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We need to do self care and if day to day is stressful then we can’t be adding to the load. Hope you are not dealing with too many micro aggressions on a daily basis.

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I'm always amazed with how thoughtless I can be about black history and completely forgetting your parenthetical comment, @Britney. Many apologies. I completely agree with Reply1988 that I would never want to send a black person to the past!

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Completely agree that these quizzes are getting harder! 🤣

Since I wouldn't want to be either in their actual conditions, I'm going to judge by what they get to wear. Easily the Joseon queen. As much as I dislike women's roles during the Joseon era, I absolutely love the elaborate hanboks the queens and consorts wore. I haven't owned a hanbok since I was a child, but I would not complain if I could wear one of my mother's for an occasion.

Hard absolutely not for me on being a kpop idol or even being a guy. I don't want to be young again, and as tough as women have it, I couldn't live with the dirty conditions that most men are willing to tolerate.

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your last sentence, I thought the same thing!

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Well, in the third century b.c., there was the Kingdom of Kush (Nubia / now Northern Sudan). Queen Amanitore was the most powerful woman of her time. (In addition to all of the leaders of Kush being THE most affluent people of all time.)

I read somewhere that Cleopatra was also a black woman.

So you are not entirely without options for time travel;)

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It's almost certainly untrue about Cleo. She was from Macedonian (Greek) dynasty prone to inbreeding. LOTS of inbreeding. And even when they did marry outsiders, it was mostly other noble Macedonians. There's some middle-eastern blood in her lineage, I believe, but everything beyond that is a speculation with zero evidence to back it up. She was also apparently not as hot as people tend to believe)))

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Well, Cleopatra being of Macedonian descent is also a hypothesis, and her "Greek" family had ruled over the Ptolemaic kingdom in Northern Africa for more than 200 years before she came to power.

Saying that she is Greek is like saying that I am Mongolian, just because they invaded the territories of my ancestors in 1659.

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I though we were talking about her genetical lineage, not whatever nationality she assumed... But oh well, let's agree to disagree. Arguing about how much of hard pressed classists and other unfortunate -ists noble hellenes were back in the day can take tons of time better spent on something more productive.

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Agree, and not to forget, I have Mongolian heritage, a polo pony, a bow and a horned helmet ;)

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I am TORN.
I want both and at the same time I don't want both either!
Idol -
Glitz and glamor ✅
Good money (maybe) ✅
Fame ✅
My hand eye coordination ❌
My ability to dance ❌
My hatred towards physical activity ❌

Joseon Queen -
Never having to do chores ✅
Hanboks ✅
CheolJong ✅
Might be able to invent some miracle and leave a legacy ✅
Bathroom situation ❌
Shower ❌
Junk food ❌
My smartphone and internet ❌

In conclusion, I'd rather stay in my current, broke and lazy self.

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What is cheoljong?

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Male lead king in Mr Queen drama (the one used as an example in the main post). And yes, dude was the husband ALMOST worth the crappy life of a Joseon Queen... almost.

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The question is a bit vague as to the gender of the idol and the age of the queen, but at least if it's a current idol I expect him/her to be somewhat young, possibly healthy now and to at least have access to modern health care, dentistry, etc.

And with my total lack of ability at both singing and dancing, I wouldn't remain an idol for long. I'd soon be a normal person with a body at least 40 years younger than the one I'm stuck in now -- don't expect me to try too hard to find a way to switch back. Only downside is military service *coughD.P.cough* 😱😱😱, but maybe idols don't get bullied as much??? Or I luck out with someone who has already done his service? So idol it is.

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As far as I can tell, very few celebrities go into the "tougher" military branches like the Marines. A lot of them work for the police...I think?...or something like the publicity department.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm working mainly off Wikipedia profiles and translated news articles.

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I could be wrong but I don't think celebrities/entertainers, especially the well known, established ones, do the "tougher" units either. Lee Seung Gi was apart of the special forces unit during his service and he did do more than he was required to (such certain types of hikes or something)but I think that was his choice. I think he was assigned more to the office work side of things.

Other entertainers I know about are Yook Seong Jae & Yang Se Hyung and they were in some kind of entertainment department. Seong Jae participated in ceremonies (singing, emceeing, etc) and stuff like that.

Again, I don't know for sure but I *think* the most entertainers are like the "average guy" is when they are in basic training when they first enlist.
I personally have a really hard time believing celebrities don't get some kind of special treatments/considerations.

But the entertainers can have a hard time too because there can be lack of privacy (there was some entertainer who had his medical information leaked for money or clout), there can be superiors who have them do things outside the purview of their duties (such as having the entertainer make calls to the superiors' friends and/or family).

These are probably old examples; maybe these kinds of things aren't still happening.

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There USED to be a special department just for celebs but it was undone after a huge scandal somewhere in early 2010s. Police forces were also banned for entertainers (scandal again) few years later I believe, so now male celebs can only serve either in regular forces (including military band which is HARD to get into and is very prestigious) or do so called civil service (basically office work) if their health isn't good enough for the former. Some dudes indeed went harder elite troops route - Yoon Shi Yoon served in marines, I think, and few other famous actors as well. PHS was in capital defense special forces which is also pretty cool. There's more but I can't remember the names...

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I wonder why it would be hard or prestigious to get into the military band. I would think a bunch of people who aim for that assignment since it seems objectively easier and they're entertainers entertaining.
I honestly don't understand how the military works such as the regular forces.

Kim Dong Hyun was in the Marines but I think that was before he became a celebrity
Kim Jong Min worked in a courthouse.

Who is PHS?

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@britney, that's a good question))) Apparently the military band is THE FACE of regular forces altogether and thus requirements to get into it have to be very high so only best of the best can pass to represent the army.

PHS is Park Hyungsik aka Crown Prince Yi Hwan in Our Blooming Youth. Also a former kpop idol by the way)))

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K-pop idol, no question, for the same reason I would never choose to live in the Middle Ages: Internet, indoor plumbing and modern medicine.
And yes, being an idol would probably be the most miserable 7 years of my life, but I could enjoy the ability to dance freestyle and visit different countries, and then merrily fade into obscurity once my contract was up and only emerge in Dispatch photos for one of those "where are they now" features.

I'd be no good as a queen; any hint of conspiracy would probably go right over my head because of my complete inability to read people.

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This might be the toughest one yet.
Both of these options come with restrictions, rules, and pressure.

Even though I am curious to see Joseon Period with my own two eyes and being a queen would definitely have some fancy perks, I would instead take the less-likely-to-die modern-day idol who might have to work like a slave, but at least it's not his duty to birth children and share husband with plenty of other women.

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K-pop idol by a landslide. For starters, since I’m switching bodies with an existing idol, I’m assuming I’m already in idol shape and will be eating steamed chicken and veggies to maintain my unrealistic figure, but at least won’t have to drop 20 pounds. Dance practice actually sounds kind of fun — it’s already my favorite type of exercise. And since it’s not a personality swap, I hope I would be able to maintain some perspective while coping with the downsides of idol life. I wouldn’t want to negatively affect my group if I were part of one, but I also wouldn’t be opposed to early retirement.
The fact that harem backstabbing and palace scheming are among my least favorite sageuk elements means I’m going to take a hard pass on the Joseon queen experience. I’d much rather worry about social media or fan meetings than live in fear that an etiquette mistake or ignorance of family loyalties is going to get me killed.

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If it is not a personality swap: are you sure to be able to master the dance routines;)

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Lots of extra practice would be required for sure, but I think I’d have a better attitude about it than Rembrary.

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I am sure you would 👍

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(c) Take poison and avoid both fates. Being famous would be my nightmare. Being constantly "on," doing publicity events and dealing with all the restrictions and requirements of idol life - especially anything to do with fans or diet - would be torture. And the stifled, rigid, risky lives of Joseon queens - having to negotiate palace politics while living in constant fear - would be slow death. Might as well make it quick.

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Honestly just thinking the choices are anxiety inducing haha

There have been days when I genuinely wondered why anyone chooses the idol life.

From what I understand, the queen didn't even get a choice to be in the running for her position. It's all due to men controlling her fate and then just as easily they can get rid of her.

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But a candidate who didn't want to be selected could arrange that. Pick her nose during the interview or something.

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I saw that in Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo, the king wanted the lead as his queen or concubine and she didn't want that so she somehow scarred her hand (I think it was in front of him) and it took a bunch of intervention to prevent her from being killed because no one denies the king.

I guess the difference here is he specifically picked her out and you're referring to the selection process by the women in the palace. I would guess there would be some kind of social backlash.

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The only problem is that, according to kdrama records, you'll swap bodies again. So if you can't end your life you would be ending theirs. 🤔
Or maybe they would get stuck in your body?

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This was an easy one,k-pop idol all the way...Even in it's all hard work,sleepless nights and harsh diets and stalking in the name of everlasting love(till u sneeze your way into a scandal) i''ll still have the modern comodities,the bathroom and well if u are a women u understand the time of the month...

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Ha, so I'm not the only one who thinks about that time of the month and especially when female characters cross-dress as eunuchs - which at least half of all sageuk future queens seem to have done. Even if you could somehow avoid communal baths, sleeping arrangements, and the Joseon equivalent of locker rooms, how could you hide having to sneak off from official duties every few hours (at least!) to manage that issue? Our adorable Jae-yi/Soon-dol in Our Blooming Youth would not be able to maintain that fiction for long in a real palace - maybe she really will be better off as queen in a household full of women who all have a routine in place. It's one of the many reasons I have to regard that show as a fantasy taking place in an alternate universe.

This has been part 34 of my long-running series, "Elinor Overthinks Things."

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While watching OBY, I always think of this. How does she bathe, where are the toilet facilities etc.. She lives in a secret room, I doubt it has an attached bathroom ; )

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Tbh it would not be that surprising if there IS an attached bathroom/toilet after all - it's CP's lair after all and he used to spend a lot of time there, nights included. Secrecy or not, he's not the type to deny himself a basic comfort. Actually it'd look pretty awkward and very sus if he was caught mid-night outside of his quarters fully dressed and looking for a bathroom, no?

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‘Ha, so I'm not the only one who thinks about that time of the month and especially when female characters cross-dress as eunuchs’. 👈Exactly what I think every time as we have seen them binding to be flat chested but washing a cloth discretely and dealing with the pain…no one even hints at it

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At least The King's Affection had household staff and doctors who were in on it and helped to cover it up.

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Maybe she is blessed with short and light periods. I bleed heavily during my period and stain a lot of stuff. I would definitely get caught 12 hours into period.

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I'd swap with a Joseon Queen without thinking twice.

Asides from the politics in the Royal Court, I'm always fascinated by the politics of the Internal Court. And the fact that the King is not allowed to interfere in Internal Court matters nor does he have the final or second to final say makes it more mysterious to the point of wanting to see what it means to be in there.

And...there's no way I'll pass away an opportunity to be Queen for a Day talk less of for a time I do not know when it'll end.

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Oh God, neither. Unless of course I could take the Idol's body and instantly retire.
Wait, that sounds good. Let's do that.

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The lack of bathroom facilities did it for me. No bathroom, not worth being a queen with all the other things they dealt with too. And no, you can't have my supply of TP either.

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I prefer the seven years slave contract thanks, after that I’m free unlike being a Queen in Joseon, which other beanies have pointed out ain’t worth it. That said, I hope to god I’m a famous artist or something because after watching DP, mandatory military service sounds brutal

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I think I know too much of the kpop industry to choose to be a kpop idol, and I would be in a girl group... I just can´t.
I don´t know much of being a queen in Joseon times so I would just cross my fingers and tried to ride with the people that could protect me. This is more like an "anything but an idol" situation for me.

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Joseon Queen - This one would include time travel and I am SO curious to know what Joseon REALLY looked like (especially as the queen). Also, I would wear really fancy hanboks and could make my minions empty lakes;) As this would also be a short round trip, I would not have to worry about being killed or concubines.

Overzealous fans and not being able to move freely totally kill off the wish to body swap with an idol.

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Joseon Queen for me. Yes, I'd put my life expectancy at a day tbf, but WHAT a day I would have! I would run around with my "Sageuk trope" list, ticking them off in merry abandon until I had my fated meeting with the Cliff Of Doom, only to find myself absolutely not doomed but resurrected in the present day as a chaebol heiress with immortality on the side due to a chance swiping of an ice stone on my way through...

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Is there a Silla queen option? 😄

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Or a female merchant and nation builder like Goguryeo's Queen Seosono.

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To DIET or DIE INSIDE that is the question… Tough choice

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At first I was torn—both seemed equally stifling, but then I remembered that K-pop idols don’t usually face assassination attempts. Also, women’s rights in the time period of the monarchy…😬

Although, I often wonder about the dark side of the K-pop industry and to what female idols/trainees could be subject. I suppose male idols/trainees too. Maybe it would be better to be the queen since you at least hold power…

Aaaack! Now I don’t know and am torn again! 🤦🏻‍♀️

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This dilemma is hard with so many downsides on both options. As many beanies have already pointed out, one is a slave on a diet and the other a prisoner with death menaces (and no bathroom).
Both must always be on public display duty and follow numerous rules to try to prevent public evisceration (figuratively for the modern, literally for the historical).
I hope that the swap back will arrive fast, and I'll choose to experience the life of a Joseon queen because it is most different from mine. (not that my life resemble one of an idol...) Maybe when I'm killed I'll wake up in my regular life ?

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Definitely Kpop Idol, as Joseon Queen is out of the question at all. The constant danger of being poisoned would pretty much spoil my fun. I also wouldn't want to have to deal with concubines.
Furthermore, I don't necessarily want the whole palace to know when the king visits my bedchamber. Besides, I keep wondering how much the servants can hear through the paper walls.

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K-pop idol, cos girl needs all the modern hygiene facilities *shudders imagining Joseon chamber pots*

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In Mr Queen, the hero discovered the menstruation pains... without paracetamol or ibuprofen :p

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I think even worse is having no pads!

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I hope they had some ancient herbal remedies for the same. I cannot imagine otherwise!

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Granted the clothes from the Joseon period were absolutely beautiful but I could NEVER be a Joseon queen; the life was too restrictive and I am far too opinionated so I would be deposed and forced to drink poison after one day. Plus, what did women do back then when they were on their periods? What did they use to go to the bathroom? What if you had to have a tooth pulled? I like modern inventions too much, like maxi pads, indoor plumbing, and being numbed before a dental procedure. I'm sure swapping bodies with an idol would have it's own difficulties, but at least toilets would still be available for use.

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Wearing pretty clothes, eating good food, and spending my days crafting sounds like a dream job as long as I'm not the target of a murder scheme. Plus, if I get bored, I can grow up to be an evil, powerful queen dowager and go out with a bang.

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That was my train of thought, but I clearly underthought the question based on some of these responses!

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Rather than swap bodies with an idol and have to put up with the gossip, the scandals, and the reporters chasing me everywhere. I want to be Joseon's queen. Not a typical one but a strong and shrewd now who can take her enemies down. Also, I can take that chance and enjoy a huge wardrobe of hanboks and shiny hairpins and accessories.

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the result would be the same, I would freeze or run away

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unless it is one of those magical scenarios where you can suddenly dance out of the blue. it would be cool to know how to dance.

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I need my modern-day toilets, medicine, and rights!

You didn't specify whether it would be a failed group or an idol from a group like BTS or SNSD! If I could put up with suffering for about 10 years, I could be buying entire buildings. Maybe I could transition into acting and get to act opposite all those good-looking co-stars.

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