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Open Thread #815

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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On Wednesday, citizens of Seoul were awaked by emergency mobile text alerts to evacuate the city. It was issued by city leaders after North Korea’s failed rocket launch of a space satellite which landed in the East Sea. As a result, the Naver mobile app crashed and people were left in an anxious panic. Traditional TV and radio stations explained that 20 minutes later the national government said the alert was in error, but the city did not correct it for another hour. How does one evacuate 9.9 million people when their national holiday travel is such a mess? Citizens were upset that they had no idea what to do or where to go.

I guess that there is a general complacency that South Koreans are at peace. Officially, the Korean War never technically ended. Although the Korean Armistice Agreement on July 27, 1953 brought an end to the hostilities that killed 2.5 million people, that ceasefire never gave way to a peace treaty. North Korea’s aggressive behavior in the past decade has many officials uneasy but it is not politically savvy to remind voters where bomb shelters are (especially in election years.)

When I went to Seoul in 2018 before the Olympics, tension was extremely high because of North Korea’s nuclear program and China’s aggressive reaction to South Korea’s missile defense improvements. In my hotel, there were tourist flyers including a DMZ Tour which I passed on. But at that time, I observed South Koreans were fairly laissez-faire about the situation.

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While I can understand the logic behind not reminding voters where bomb shelters are because it is not politically savvy to, it left me speechless.

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I think its time to direct a top S. Korean businesswoman to hang glide into North Korea, fall in love with a top military officer, and then have both countries agree to let them meet two weeks a year in Switzerland. Only then can the two Koreas coeexist without the constant threat of military action.

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Unfortunately there is no way to marry the crown prince of S. Korea to a top N. Korean military woman.

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North Korea does have something like a crown princess, but she's on the young side and I wouldn't wish marriage into THAT family on my worst enemy.

I wonder if hang-gliding as a sport exists in NK?

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I was hoping that Kim Jong Un's daughter, Kim Ju Ae, would ascend to power in a few years, and then meet-cute a handsome but bumbling South Korean diplomatic assistant (she'd trip, he would catch her, they'd gaze at each other and be struck by a lightning bolt of love). That could work.

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Unless her father disapproves him.

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But if everything had worked out, the Kingdom of Corea (THE KING: ETERNAL MONARCH (2020) (Netflix)) would now cover the entire Korean peninsula and peace and prosperity would be enjoyed by all the citizens under the reign of King Lee Gon (Lee Min-ho).

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No, in all seriousness, I was recalling to a group of kdrama friends that I was teaching the history of the Cold War in the 1980s, making the brilliant argument that it will never end in our lifetime because the political regimes whose power depended on conflict were two entrenched. Then the Berlin Wall fell. So there is always hope!

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Interestingly, when I was in SK in the 80s there was an extensive invasion drill once a month, I think on a Thursday. Each floor in office buildings had a captain who was responsible for those people, everything ground to a halt (foreigners were told well ahead of time to sit tight in their hotel rooms), I think the subways were closed but perhaps there were test evacuations into the subways. There were sirens and loudspeaker instructions. We saw tanks going down the big street in front of Seoul City Hall as part of the exercise. It was chilling to experience. I wonder when those were discontinued?

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I have a question for experienced Beanies... is there a style guide somewhere with instructions for formatting posts? (i.e., bold, italics, quoting someone else, etc.). Thank you!

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Someone passed this to me and now I get to pass it on to someone too!

https://www.dramabeans.com/members/hades/activity/519553/

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Thank you so much!!!

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Aww! I miss @hades
So many familiar beanies

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Hades has been very active in the Wordle thread nowadays. I miss you, Blue.

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We have created cat dungeons for anyone who fails Wordle that day. I also miss @pickleddragon. She is rarely there since you left.

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O Merciless One.

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It's lucky that you saved and knew where to find this. I was just thinking about the beanie levels and wished I knew where to find it. Just recently someone posted about the breakdown @sicarius made about the levels and what they referred to but I forgot when and where it was.
Kudos to y'all for being able to find things.

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Ooh, that would be of interest to me, too!

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I can’t do the links but the beanie levels are in the Open Thread #810 under the comment 11 thread.

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Thank you very much!

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Here’s a link that seems to work for me to @sicarius’ comment that @Reply1988 references! https://www.dramabeans.com/2023/04/open-thread-810/#comment-4083926

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Oh howdy.
This is a slightly better comment to link to:
https://www.dramabeans.com/2023/04/open-thread-810/#comment-4083910
Same thread just farther down and with more info~~~

I should make a master post on my wall for this again or something.

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@sicarius yes please🙏

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rain - temp came down below 20 - in may - that shouldn't happen even with fast n heavy downpour - all for the

heated 2 weeks - this is why i don't like summer rain - low n high of temp not good for health

Asia ready for monsoon - this monsoon season can turn economy and with that politics up n down -

this summer weather gonna decide where things are moving.

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haha - most entertaining week of 2023 -

last week i said both erdo n neta boy r in d game - erdo boy won - oh man i'm happy for being right one more time

i said several times before religious n political fandoms d most dangerous - the fanatics

combi of reli+pol with open promotion via business - the real force d real charm

in 1 line - u get what u deserve - both hv played their cards foolishly at times but when d cards hv value then even an idiot can make a homerun.

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Imran - army let people do things - this is how you bring down d storm - when people hv spent their energy now comes the time to take action, take control - which they did

imran is no good but army is military - can u ever expect +ve

democrats - better say ta ta to their top n fight election with a new guy

i had said d same about trump too

sunak - tories r going - this brown dude n his female dog r both high level cronies - they will survive but people won't.

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Yo.
been writing my speech all day, somehow, 5 pages became 2 and a half. hmm. but I dont think I will speak fast so I would rather it be less.

it is so cold here im worried about our vegetables and plants. the radishes will be as small as peas. on the other hand the gallery sold 4 pairs of my mittens. LOL. in june.

Me and classmate sharing Kim Bum videos and smiling at work and customers all be thinking it is for them - naaaaaah. that is not why I smile, babe

Old Town days, Hanseatic days but I dont have much time to go anywhere, got 2 workshops to prepare. and speech to learn.

Does any of you repair their jeans? or clothes in general. what to people do with stretched out or torn button holes? I am having a workshop on that.

hmm what else. crazy person in our apartment union. we had a meeting and she demands money from our building why. because she herself illegally disconnected her apartment from the general heating and now that it has to be reconnected she wants us to pay. it is like, you went Donbass, like. cra*y ass woman.

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I have 4 kids, so yes, I am repairing all clothes incessantly! I don't even like sewing that much, but it is inescapable.

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4 prs of mittens in June! 👏🏽 It is so hot here and we are at such a deficit for rain already that they are telling people to water their vegetables twice a day.

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From the very first time I watched a Kdrama, I was invested in, I was intrigued by Choi Kang Ta's drive for revenge and how the only person he could rely upon was none other than Jin Bobae. It was a world of its own. But recently the Kdramas aren't what they used to be, it could be because I've grown up over the years but I feel like current dramas are leaning towards the Western culture. It is why, currently I've been enjoying Cdramas though it feels like they all lean on the bickering-to-lovers trope
Happy Friday everyone

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Every time someone says "it's becoming/leaning into Western culture", it feels like a short hand/coded insult.

What is so Western about current kdramas that the best alternative is Chinese projects?

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I just had the same thought about Kdramas leaning to the West today while watching one Kdrama that aired some 7 years ago- Beautiful Gong-shim. It is a very nice show with some questionable things (eg wrist grabbing) but overall it feels very old school and very Kdrama. It made me swoon and there is no kiss or PDA or intimacy even at ep11 which I’m watching right now.

I don’t think the comments saying Kdramas these days are leaning more towards the West are insulting though- I think it might mean something as simple as we are missing how Kdramas used to be (e.g., tropey, longer eps, swoony without intimacy, rich and nice SML, hardworking people with good heart as the leads).

That led to one question- why are the leads nowadays so flawed? Can’t we have great and fun leads we can root for easily???

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LOL, to each their own but those are exactly the elements that frustrate me with Cdramas: neverending episodes packed with filler, tropes galores, very little shading/complexity, rich tsundre ML paired with a candy, etc.

I can also see why it could be comfort food to others tho esp. if that's your initiation into dramaland.

As someone who only came to drama-land last year, this nostalgia doesn't strike a bell at all. I think some of the older shows, say, Boys Over Flowers, can only been seen thru rose-tinted nostalgia glasses. (Watch me defend 2013 shows in 2033 :)

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I don't know about that, at least not to me because even when I originally watched, I didn't understand the appeal. Boys over Flowers was my kdrama and I did not understand why the girl fell for him at all. I didn't like how she was treated and it was too long. I don't even remember how many episodes it was or the duration but it felt too long to me. Years later and I still don't understand why it was the cultural phenom it was except it had all the tropes and iconic visuals and the catchy OST. Personally, since I'm not even remotely attracted to Lee Min Ho, none of it did anything for me. I'm not attracted to the second male lead either but at least he treated her better.

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I wonder if I'd be as astute as you were if I'd watched BOF back then, or just swept along with the tide. Not sure. But that was just one example. Because of course, not everyone will like everything. I haven't enjoyed several hit dramas in recent years myself.

But speaking more generally, I've heard lots of people say xyz isn't as good as it used to be back then. Music. Films. Fashion. Etc. Sometimes it's true, and sometimes it's nostalgia or the power of formative impressions that influence your tastes to the present. However culture moves on so dramas now have different styles, hold different values, etc.

And somehow, the thread has drifted, probably cos of me. Oops.

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Exactly!
You said my mind, people that started kdramas with those kind of tropes might still hold it dear and find comfort in them but people who didn't might find them extremely bland and shallow to the kdrama taste they recently started with.

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@indyfan I meant to say Boys over Flowers was my 1st Kdrama haha

I honestly disliked many of the "classic" tropes but then it also feels weird to say that because maybe it was reflective of their culture but I really did dislike it which is why I lost interest in kdramas originally (I got back into them after Squid Game) but I hated how girls & women were treated. And it was ALWAYS the same (I didn't know about kdrama tropes at the time). Even recently I've tried watching Princess Hours because it's considered a classic and I haven't made it past the 2nd episode. It took awhile for me to get past the first.

Maybe I'm also too jaded and cynical for the romance people keep saying was so great about the past. I can't think of anything that was all that "swoony". I've always liked the stronger female characters who weren't typical (such as Secret Garden which I think was my 2nd Kdrama and Coffee Prince which was my 3rd kdrama) or the ridiculous situations and premises. The romance comes after all that.

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I’m thankful that I got to read a lot of comments on this topic. Yes, I miss those “problematic” things in Kdramas sometimes- chaebol ML, chaebol SML, black and white characters, candy FL, FL who wears fashionably questionable outfits, problematic parents, demanding ML, for example. I still feel that these aren’t reflecting reality and some if not most give wrong ideas to viewers, but sometimes I just miss them. I think that’s why I had so much fun watching Beautiful Gong-shim for the first time this week despite all the “problematic”bits of the show.

What this show gave me is comfort- the feeling that makes me feel relaxed knowing that good people will beat bad ones and will have a happy life in the end after going through some struggles. It’s so easy to watch because it doesn’t require any thinking, but instead it does require some maturity to know how to enjoy it properly, and which parts are true or untrue irl.

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Oh, I wish we could nest the comments a little more. But anyway...

@britney Oh wow. I may have never returned to dramaland if BOF was my first (and I was watching in present times). But I did watch a few duds and only kept trying because of Covid times boredom. And then, SITR . I only enjoyed the first half, but I was hooked.
So, unlike you, I'm definitely here for the romance. But absolutely need something extra in my FLs. Strength. Complexity. Layers. Otherwise, moving on! Let's hope dramaland keeps offering us more interesting characters of all genders.

@mmmmm I'm going to contradict myself immediately, and say, yes. I do understand the idea of comfort dramas. As a young teen exiled one summer to a relative, I stumbled across their stash of old school romance novels. Think, Barbara Cartland level. Problematic as hell in hindsight. I've "evolved" right? But, as an example, when the ML scooped up Bora from the floor and carried her out, all those early lessons kicked in and I swooned. What can I say. I have enjoyed some problematic but comforting dramas as well.
I'll just go console myself by rereading Bad Feminist. :)

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I think it's because those are the type of kdramas that are getting more recognition now. I mean I used to think kdramas were all about sappy romance with family sagas and whatever till I got sucked into the kdrama world and could not get out again, maybe because my first kdramas weren't all that sappy with solid characters and a realistic setting that it crushed my false beliefs, idk but I think people and international critics praise "realistic" kdrama shows with realistic characters because it crushed their preconceived notion that kdramas had bland characters and stories so kdrama writers and directors are leaning towards that now,and I think that's why the new generation of kdrama viewers can't enjoy classics like BOF , playful kiss ,idk if I'm right but that might be what's happening.

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I don't know about realism and stuff like that but I think according to modern sensibilities, those shows are just considered problematic. I think the guys would be considered red flags and the girls would be considered annoying or frustrating.

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I think weekend dramas, dramas produced by Mbc or more less the other 2 big stations, pretty much are still maintaining the old format. You just have to know where to look for it. But if you watch dramas from Netflix, domestic audience is not its primary target audience so (even I question it) but diversities are always welcome. And there are many other online platforms. I also watch C drama, I don't want to say which one is better, but there's mood that I want to watch C dramas, and other time K dramas. I just love I have choices.

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Exactly my point. Am a Kerala addict and that will never change anytime soon, but currently am watching Cdramas cos except for 19th Life, I can't seem to enjoy any current airing kdrama

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i wouldnt say they lean on the west. they are objectively reflecting changes in korean society. to be less dependant on corporate jobs, female entrepreneurship, single parenting... my teacher is extremely critical of Korea and says he would never move back, since Estonia, with its flaws, is still less stressful. I also would like to see more of the fact young people are trying to leave and want more freedom to travel.

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Not apples to apples, but immigrant parents often hold up the values and tastes of the old culture. It's hard for them to understand things have changed back in the old country, esp. at the pace change happens now. Some of the changes, of course, aren't for the better. But as a woman raised abroad who is back in the non-Korean Asian homeland, I am so grateful for the changes! I imagine SK has changed dramatically since the first Hallyu wave and the dramas reflect that.

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THANK YOU for pointing this out, redfox. This is always a frustrating topic to me because people see kdramas and “Korean culture” as some static thing and it makes me groan.

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I just learned the writer and director of the drama 'One Day Off' also has a movie out that won a lot of awards back in 2021. A period piece (set in 1996) named 'Sanjin Company English Class'. I've got it queued up for weekend watching.

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Thanks for sharing.

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oh they wrote and directed that movie, I've watched that one. Not similar, definitely up grade 😄

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I was watching a behind the scenes clip of BTS' Jimin and Le Sserafim's Sakura and Kazhua (or it could've been Eunchae, my memory is bad) filming a tiktok dance challenge, and there were a shocking amount of HYBE staff crammed into that small room watching/monitoring. I know it's the norm to have staff present when idols are filming things, especially if they're rookies, but this wasn't like one or two, this seemed like it was a WHOLE department and then some - all for just one 20 second dance video 😂

As someone with intense stage fright, I couldn't imagine performing, or acting for that matter, in front of so many people. I know there's tenfold the amount at concerts but it feels different when there are thousands of fans cheering in the dark vs the silent monitoring of several cameras, management staff, set crew, directors etc.

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Also on the note of K-pop, feeling a little let down by recent releases!! ‘Let down’ is a bit of a harsh term but I was really looking forward to both Seventeen and Stray Kids’ comebacks the most, and whilst both FML and 5-Star are good albums, I only can find one or two tracks that I really like and the rest are just a bit of an ‘this is okay!’ vibe :( Was hoping for more - but also maybe my expectations are a bit irrationally high, because other recent albums I wasn’t really that invested in have fast become my favourites (like the recent releases from IVE, BigBang Taeyang and iKON). Sometimes songs grow upon further listens too, but still June has some promising comebacks to look forward to - VAV, NCT’s Taeyong and ATEEZ to name a few.

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Haha I just leveled up to Goblin's underpants and I don't even know what that means hahaha
I've never even seen Goblin haha

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Congratulations!

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Congratulations and here, you will need these 🚿🛁🧼

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Haha thank you so much haha

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Congratulations, on levelling up.🥳 I hope you have started a table so you can log your dates and numbers re the change in levels going forward.

Are you going to add Goblin to your watchlist and all the other dramas that are referenced for each level going forward?

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I haven't!😬
I have no idea how long it takes for me to level up but I think I was noble idiot longest.
I noticed the change when I mentioned it.

I'm not really interested in Goblin but who knows but I did recently watch Misaeng which I think is referenced in the levels haha

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I check my numbers via the fan wall page regularly especially when I hope I am close to changing so usually I catch it within a couple of numbers changing in the comments or likes section. Have you noticed an increase in your frequency and number of comments recently? I check my comments page to see how many comments I do per day and some days are quieter than others especially if I am live watching unpopular dramas or only a limited number of shows.

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Nope, I don't notice a difference. Maybe I'll be more observant haha

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Maybe it’s about the dramas you are live watching. If it’s lively in the comments section of the Weecap post and you get involved on the Open thread, What we are watching and a couple of news posts you are likely to comment more in those months than others. I definitely think we have lull periods. Also dramas like Bora and Good bad mother raise interesting discussions in various posts outside their weecap. So more opportunities to chat with people with different opinions. I love that it’s got very busy on the site recently with lots of new voices jumping in the comments section.

Let’s hope you have some good shows lined up for the next batch of dramas dropping this month.
I look forward to seeing your comment when you get your fugitive status😊

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Oh I'm not looking forward to anything coming up. I don't know if I'll actually watch or follow along with weecaps. I'm curious about Bloodhounds and See You in My 19th Life. I've read the webtoon for the latter which is why I'm curious but hmm the casting haha
But I'll try not to make any assumptions.

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Reading through comments about The Good Bad Mother is reminding me of reactions to the show Shameless (the US version. It might be same case for the UK version but I only know about the US one). As the title implies, the characters on the show can be quite shameless and morally gray when they aren't doing actual criminal activities to get by. On paper and logically, we know these characters are "bad" or they've done wrong but in the context of their world, they're doing things for their survivial or because they honestly just have messed up tendencies and never learned normal or healthy coping techniques. For example, the parents are alcoholics and substance users so the kids grew up around that fairly early and they learned to use that as means of escape or just as a communal activity. They never learned "you should talk about your feelings" and "you'll be rewarded for your resilience", that is not a thing for some people. That genuinely is not an option.

In The Good Bad Mother, I know that technically Young Soon can be considered abusive but in the context of her world, that was genuinely the only way she knew not to let her son be a victim of people. Even the other parents in the villiage knew how harsh or restrictive she was but they still said Kang Ho was rude or impudient (or something that I don't remember) when he came & left before his accident. I've also seen people comment on the parents hitting their grown kids and yet again, in the context of their world that is normal. From what I understand, younger people are always allowed to be hit or scolded by older people no matter the age gap or relation and that's just accepted as a thing. I don't know if it's still as much of a thing as times change but yeah, in the context of that world, it is accepted.

I think Young Soon is a flawed character but her intentions were genuinely protective. I don't mean to sound like I'm praising or defending abusive parenting but just acknowledging the context.

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Really interesting points you've raised, thanks for commenting this! I've seen bits and pieces of Shameless before but I never thought to compare till now. Your comment was a bit of a light-bulb moment for me and it's definitely given me a fresh perspective to consider Good Bad Mother from, wow.

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Yeah, I can go on about Shameless US haha
It certainly went on way past its prime but some aspects of it was quite poignant and can make one reflective, to say the least.

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I really do wonder if the writer(s) of Vagabond are working on sequel or second season little by little. As (a) writer(s) how could they not wake up in the middle of the night and think about that ending?!

I've trained myself to think of it as "how we got here" type story but ugh, when I think about the actual ending... 😮‍💨... what the actual 🏒🧚‍♂️

I don't even think I would trust them after Big Mouth but hell, can they write a fanfic or something?!

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I would so like a sequel for Vagabond but I have no hope at all 😢 it sucks because I’d quite like to force my husband to watch Vagabond but I don’t think I can with that ending (and also because it’s left me hanging for years).

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I have no hope for it either and yet I keep seeing people say they're waiting for the second season.
They ALWAYS mention it whenever I try talking about the show which almost makes me not want to talk about it because it's not likely to happen!

But still I wonder if the writer(s) ever thinks about that ending because seriously! That is a *prime* example of a cliffhanger/sequel bait. I don't think it could have been more of a "to be continued" ending if they tried.

I get that Covid might've affected things (I say might because I don't think it was ever said a second season was planned) but how can they not at least have a draft or outline of some kind of continuation or conclusion? I really want to know. I wish someone could ask them.

I truly don't even know if it's better left alone because who knows what they would do with it (given what they did with big mouth). I think one thing, others have way more complaints but, one thing for me was it was too many moving parts. The dueling companies, the corrupt NIS & Blue House, duel assassin teams, the vagabond chicken network. It makes some sense in the show because the point is how powerful & manipulative Edward is (along with all the other antagonists) but it's still alot. If there were a sequel/2nd season, it would need to pared down somehow.

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I don’t know, I think it felt like a lot because people went in expecting a resolution within 16 episodes and then surprise we ended where we started 🤬 …but if you go in with the expectation that it’s not going to be all resolved because there’s a season 2 it wouldn’t be so much? Maybe? They would have to start winding up the storylines a lot earlier in S2 though.

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Hmm, when I watched it, I don't think I knew or remembered how many episodes it was haha so I don't know about expectations.
To me, it worked in the show because I was into everything unfolding. In hindsight is when I thought it might've been too much.

But I saw an actor who had written/cowritten a movie say because of the genre (the movie involved spies, double crosses, conspiracy, etc) it *has* be big and complicated but still entertaining and digestable to audiences. That's what comes to mind with Vagabond.

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I haven't been watching a K-drama for longer than I can remember. The last drama I watched would be the one with Kim Ok bin and Yoo Taeo probably. Time was all consumed by work.

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I had a tooth pulled yesterday, and this is a blatant call for as much sympathy as I can get.

It’s not the pain, really, although it aches. It’s the memory of the sound it made. Ugh.

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Ugh, sorry you had to go through that

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Oh man you have all my sympathy. I had to get one pulled a couple of years ago and it is the WORST.

Take good care of yourself and don’t get dry socket because that is no fun at all.

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I still recall the sound it made and that was more than 10 years ago.

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Twenty Five Twenty one

It’s happening! 25-21 is now starting to play out in real life.

http://www.cnnphilippines.com/sports/2023/6/1/Maxine-Esteban-switches-nationalities-Ivory-Coast-Filipino-fencing.html

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Please can someone tell me the title & singer of the closing theme to Dr Romantic 3 ep 10? The song that played when they showed the preview for Ep 11. It’s such a wrenching ballad and the male singer has an amazing voice

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