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My Dearest: Episodes 7-8

As war winds to a close, Joseon is left battered and shaken. Still, there’s one place where the party doesn’t stop: Hanyang! Here, our heroines are eager to recover their old lives — whilst our OTP is thrown, quite explosively, together once more…

 

EPISODES 7-8

Namgoong Min My Dearest: Episodes 7-8

Gil-chae races through the forest, just as Jang-hyun keels into the dirt. Half-awake, he watches as the woman he loves looks straight past him. Another fighter enters the fray. It’s the Joseon soldier who would have sent her to her death; conscience-stricken, he’s back to rescue her. Jang-hyun tussles with smallpox for consciousness — and finally, loses. Elsewhere, miles away, another battle is lost: as negotiations draw to a hopeless close, Joseon surrenders. The king and crown prince weep in each other’s arms, consumed by the humiliation of how history will judge them — whilst knowing this might be the last time they see one another.

Gil-chae and her friends trudge home, still half-disbelieving. Neunggun-ri is a hollow shell, stripped of its inhabitants. Our heroine wanders through the grove, smiling faintly as she remembers flashing her ankles, and parading amongst the scholars like a queen. Now, her father is too traumatized to recognize her face. Eun-ae has it even worse: her own father was tortured and killed by invaders. Still, amid grief, there’s a glimmer of hope — Yeon-joon, now a government official, has sent for her from Hanyang. Gil-chae immediately plasters on a brave face, preparing to say goodbye. But Eun-ae firmly dismisses such nonsense. As if she’d leave without her best friend!

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As our heroines made their modest way to Hanyang, Jang-hyun tosses and sweats. His friends had found him half-dead on the island’s shore. Now, Goo Jam frets by his bedside, whilst Ryang-eum grips his hand and refuses to give up. As he sleeps, Jang-hyun is haunted by the same memory as ever: a child kneeling in the rain, crying for his father. Suddenly, the rain clears, and he meets Gil-chae’s frank expression. You’d better not leave me again, she scolds. When you smile, he replies, I can hear spring flowers bloom.

The real Gil-chae absolutely refuses to pine in his absence. She’s doing fine, okay? And if her daily excursions bring her to Ryang-eum’s gisaeng house — a truly scandalous establishment, by the way! — then what of it? That’s between her, her deeply offended moral sensibilities, and also sometimes Jong Jong! But it isn’t a) proof that she misses Jang-hyun, or b) anyone else’s business — got it, Eun-ae?

It takes a while for the newly-recovered Jang-hyun to brave a visit. No amount of fan-fluttering can mask his guilt over having sent Gil-chae and her friends to an island death trap. Still, reasoning that faint heart never won fair lady (unless you’re Yeon-joon, because life is unfair), he plunges ahead. He almost misses Gil-chae, who’s busy scouring the city for him. But, in the courtyard, a voice says you’re alive! in a tone so accusatory it can only belong to one person. Gil-chae marches up to him, spitting mad. Does he know the hell she went through? “Meet me in Ganghwa-do,” her foot!

Still, she adds, tentatively, I was rescued. Someone fought seventeen soldiers for me. (Jang-hyun averts his eyes.) Of course, it couldn’t have been a man as faithless as you… right? She takes a deliberate step into his space. (Jang-hyun looks positively dumbfounded.) I’ve been wondering, she murmurs. Don’t you get cold… fanning yourself in the winter? And lo, Jang-hyun reels back, bellowing out a retort with dignity at which one can only marvel: I have… a higher body temperature than most! Later, Goo Jam gives voice to the question on all our lips (besides the one about the fan): why not tell Gil-chae he saved her? Because, Jang-hyun replies — painfully empty of bravado — it embarrasses me.

Alas, the future is nothing if not rife with embarrassment. If there’s one thing our OTP excels at, it’s making everyone else perplexed and slightly uncomfortable. At dinner, Jang-hyun pokes slightly-too-satisfied fun at Yeon-joon’s lack of soldierly nous. Equally graceless, Gil-chae leaps to his defense. Oblivious, Yeon-joon laughs at the joke. Eun-ae ignores all of them, merrily taking advantage of Jang-hyun’s plentiful alcohol cabinet.

Afterwards, Gil-chae and Yeon-joon hang back in the dark. Roundabout and obtuse, Yeon-joon brings up Soon-yak’s dying words, tiptoeing around whether or not he has feelings for Gil-chae. But, he insists, you’re like a child fussing over a toy she can’t have. Gil-chae, rattled by this hit-and-run not-quite-confession, pleads with him to be frank: does he like her? Did he ever? Yeon-joon, by way of response, tugs away from her and flees. He runs smack into Jang-hyun, who has been listening with mounting disgust. You’re naive and irresolute, he sneers, making women bear the burdens you’re too cowardly to share. I know your type — and under any other circumstances, I’d snap your neck.

Spectacular verbal beatdowns notwithstanding, our hero is depressed. If Gil-chae’s still hung up on Yeon-joon, there’s nothing for him in Hanyang. The crown prince is being sent as hostage for the Khan, and in a fit of despair, Jang-hyun agrees to join as an interpreter. Still, there’s time for one last, desperate word with Gil-chae. And so quietly, eyes averted, he is as honest with her as he can bear. If I return alive, he says, then let’s talk. If marriage is the only way to make a certain woman mine… well, I’m open to negotiation.

Gil-chae is plunged into turmoil. Even admiring her own face in the mirror fails to provide consolation — a surefire sign the world is in chaos. She races after Jang-hyun, insisting she has something urgent to say. Namely… uh… right, yes, how dare he expect her to wait for him! Laughingly, Jang-hyun deploys Exhibit A: the ribbon Gil-chae left with him. She makes a grab for it. There follows a very undignified scramble for possession of the evidence, ending in both of them toppling into the grass.

There’s a hushed moment’s intimacy. With infinite gentleness, Jang-hyun leans in. Gil-chae’s eyes fall closed. All of a sudden, he ducks away, laughing — was she really going to let him kiss her? Gil-chae sputters with rage: how very dare he! He’s a dirtbag, a cad, and if he died, she’d — Jang-hyun interrupts her mid-diatribe, tugging her into a kiss. Punch-drunk, she lets it happen. As he pulls back, she gazes at him, speechless. You don’t love me yet, he admits. But don’t forget this moment.

Namgoong Min Ahn Eun-jin kiss My Dearest: Episodes 7-8

Gauntlet thrown, Jang-hyun knows better than to stay. If there’s one thing that makes Gil-chae seethe, it’s losing out on the last word. Besides, she’s beginning to seriously rethink the identity of her dream man. And so, commandeering a horse (and its hapless rider), she gallops smack into a crowd of Qing soldiers, heedless of anything but seeing Jang-hyun again. What follows is total emotional carnage. Jang-hyun rails at Gil-chae for flinging herself into peril, whilst Gil-chae stumbles over the best way to phrase, “my prophetic dream sequences say we ought to make out.” Somehow, this emerges as, “Buy me a new pair of shoes.”

Unfortunately, Jang-hyun, master of expertly-targeted character assassinations, has reverted to what he does best. I bet it hurts your pride to want someone like me, he snaps. You think you’re so pure — whilst chasing after a married man. Stung, she slaps him. He hardly flinches. She tells him to go die. He tugs her back. If you can promise to forget Yeon-joon, he urges, then I won’t go. Lie, if you must. But bare of all pretense, Gil-chae can only give the truth: it’s not that easy. Jang-hyun holds her face in his hands, and softly intones, you’re so cruel. Then, having shattered both their hearts — and my own, to boot — he promises to return with shoes.

Later, Gil-chae receives another, inevitable blow: Yeon-joon asks Eun-ae to marry him. But Eun-ae has her own demons to face. One, the trauma of her near sexual assault. And two, the even deeper trauma of her upbringing. She’s terrified that showing even a scrap of skin to another man means she’s irrevocably tainted. When she confides in Gil-chae, however, her support is unwavering. Nothing happened in those woods, she insists. Besides, you’re the one that Yeon-joon wants. Nobody deserves him more than you. And she really does mean it — even at the wedding itself, she manages to drum up a smile. Somehow, she realizes, this doesn’t hurt her.

Dragged across the border as hostage, the crown prince is dealt humiliation upon humiliation. Jang-hyun reflects that it’s all very sad, and also entirely not his problem. He’s far too busy becoming disgustingly rich. As interpreter, his position is deliciously exploitable — he can trade banned goods like tobacco and ginseng with impunity. It’s not long before he’s the go-to guy for everything off the market. One day he supplies weapons to the Khan; the next, it’s bamboo medicine for the crown princess.

Alas, success comes at a price. All too soon, he and Ryang-eum are spotted by their former Qing commander, GENERAL YONG GOL-DAE (Choi Young-woo). A man of short temper and pronounced homicidal tendencies, General Yong is keen to exact revenge on the spies who got the better of him. But, as Jang-hyun points out, how can they be spies? If they were, that would mean he failed the Khan in letting them go free! General Yong’s eyes narrow. He’s got him there. Still, he declares, he fondly awaits the day when he’s able to tear out their eyes and tongues. Nice fellow, that general.

Jang-hyun’s downfall follows swiftly after. Word hits the Joseon faction that Jung Myung-soo, a Qing interpreter, is guilty of embezzling silver. Jang-hyun quickly warns the crown prince to keep quiet: Myung-soo has friends in high places. But the damage has already been dealt. In strides General Yong, declaring that Myung-soo was framed by the Joseon courtier Jung Noe-kyung — and all who worked with him must die. It’s a simple matter to ensure that Jang-hyun gets caught in the crossfire. Our hero is arrested faster than you can say, “due process is for suckers.”

Jang-hyun’s not the only one on the wrong side of a cell. Yeon-joon may also have bitten off more than he can chew. In his defense, back home, people loved his long, pompous speeches! The same, alas, cannot be said of the king. Fired up by idealism, Yeon-joon decides that what his ruler needs in these troubled times is a long lecture about his moral failings. The king, eyes a-gleam with sadism, tells Yeon-joon that he’s impressed by his courage. He’s the perfect man to lead a diplomatic mission to Qing! Yeon-joon panics, refuses… and is immediately arrested. Consequently, Eun-ae and her household are stripped of both home and property.

Worse follows for Gil-chae. The Joseon delegation from Qing have returned; peering on tiptoes, she stands in the crowd, awaiting Jang-hyun. He’s conspicuously absent. Frantic, she turns to another diplomat, only to be told that he was executed. Sure enough, she is given a box containing his possessions… including the ribbon that he swore he’d carry till he died. That night, Gil-chae sleeps with his jacket clutched to her chest. She dreams of the beach — of her husband, smiling at her from the shore. Finally, and far too late, the glare recedes. Jang-hyun’s face emerges. She clings to him and weeps.

Pride cast to the winds, she carries his jacket to a cliff-side, with her friends behind her. If a wife holds her husband’s clothing and calls out his name three times, there’s a chance he’ll return. The jacket billows in the air. When they were on the run from invaders, he had draped it over her as she slept. Now, without a trace of embarrassment, she cries out his name, willing him to still be alive. And sure enough, miles away, in a distant throne room — Jang-hyun, very much breathing, kneels helpless before the Khan.

Folks, I am slain. Cause of death: two beautiful idiots kissing in a field. All the promotional pictures have been building up to this moment, and damn if it didn’t deliver! What’s lovely about these episodes — and these actors — is how visible it is when everyone’s masks begin to crumble. The first time Jang-hyun is reunited with Gil-chae, you can pinpoint the moment he decides to plaster on a glib face — and that second of delay before he manages. The fan is back (and this may be controversial, but I love it!); however it scarcely qualifies as a shield anymore. Gil-chae’s hilarious patronizing smile is also back in action, but we get a million different micro-expressions of puzzlement, uncertainty, and oops-I-really-did-not-think-this-through. When they were at war, all social performances were suspended; now, they’re battered from disuse.

I love how war has left every character off-balance and struggling to cope, in both obvious and more subtle ways. Yeon-joon, accustomed to being a big fish in a small pond, completely misjudges his place in the social order. Jang-hyun gets too ambitious and underestimates his enemies. Eun-ae wants so badly to fall back into the role of the ideal wife, but she must hide pieces of herself on pain of death. Gil-chae longs for the days when she was carefree, vain and adored, but she’s learned and changed far too much. She’s caught between knowing she’s older and wiser — whilst simultaneously being told that she needs to grow up. Nobody fits in fully anymore, despite yearning for normalcy and peace. Bring on the final episodes of Part 1 — I suspect we’re building up to something even more spectacular!

 
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☠ I was a bit disappointed that the show veered from history at the beginning of 7 and had the reason for the King leaving the fortress and surrendering being do to with Jang Hyung being, as the Khan put it, a skilled arbiter and negotiating regarding the smallpox outbreak in regards to there being no repeat of Jingkang, and therefore making the current people in charge of Joseon look smarter and like having more cards in their hands than they actually were or did, and not what actually happened, which is that Dorgon capturing Ganghwa and the Second Son was the final straw that pushed them to surrender instead.
Oh and, the Second Son was actually captured, captured.
And therefore, also that they didn’t show us Injo kowtowing to the Qing Emperor, in complete humiliation.

But I understand that it was done that way to build up Jang Hyun’s character instead, as this hero who takes on many thankless tasks, seeking no reward himself, and going mainly unrecognised and unrewarded, whilst others who did less, or who did nothing, receive record and empty praise.
(I do think the show has done a good job of making his character seem plausibly real in this manner. That someone like him could well have existed, and gone unnoticed by history. Which we will undoubtedly get more of if the prologues were anything to go by.)

And I understand that the catharsis of this show is NOT in the direct political just deserts; the background politics in this is a support for the central story, and not the other way round. We are supposed to feel the indignation of it.

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☠ Which leads nicely into my next point…

Jang Hyun really canNOT catch a break, can he (in love or in war).
Fighting off 17 (I was 3 off in my estimate ok), men singlehandedly, injured, wounded, dying, of blood loss and also small pox, only to watch the woman he loves thank another man for his feats, and unable to call out to her, passes out with his promise on his lips, and the show is MEAN and then juxtaposes this across the hollow courts of subjugated Joseon rewarding men for their bravery and loyalty throughout the war, even while the man they are all dependent on (in this fictional retelling ofc) lies unconscious, (Ignored! Abandoned! Unwanted! Lol) and then has to push himself up and to the shoreline. He did not do it for any of them, we know.
OOoph. That was a wickedly good series of scene overlays.

> Injury Authenticity note: … sigh lol.
It would be nice if this show paid as much attention in detail to its injuries as it did everything else, but I can’t have it all, can I. (Actually can’t think of a single show rn that has managed to nail both action, contextual details, and injury all in one… lol)
I’m ignoring this a lot in light of the fact that this delivers its emotional beats with so much sincerity, and therefore lands for me consistently anyway. A miracle honestly.

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Yet another great observation of contrasts! I had a very dry chuckle when they were awarding people for being alive basically while the guy that did the work was left forgotten - and as you say, there might've been many people like this that have been left out of recorded history (I really liked this point you made, made me think with a new perspective!)

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🖤
It's quite a clever way to write it actually. Making him this fictional but interactive with history character. The girls too, although less so. I want to see how they integrate Gil Chae more into the doomed future, in the episodes to come.

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☠ I was expecting in 8, from the preview, to be more annoyed at the direction of the OTPs development, but as usual, never trust the previews, because I wasn't and I actually think they laid the foundation for the next step very well.

Jang Hyun has a tendency to take everything at face value, and Gil Chae does the opposite and thinks he’s joking even when he's not. Therefore, they both tend to react in the moment out of emotion rather than rationale, hurting each other or not reaching a desired conclusion.

But this week you could tell how much more they were both fighting that instinctual flight or fight, and how much more reserved and cautious each was even in their fight flirting, often accompanied by eyes that betrayed their words, and insecurities coming much more to the foreground, that she has out of confusion and not yet full realisation, and him out of how scared he is at how much he likes her.
Props to the actors here for playing these two so well.
They haven’t got past either point fully, yet (by the time of parting), but now she stares at him the same way he stares at her.

I said in episode 1 that I couldn't wait for her to eat her words of vanity and him to becoming solely committed at the exact right moment for the narrative to tear them apart just as that realisation is hitting and I was RIGHT and it DID do that:

I can't wait for these two to fall head over heels for each other. I want them both to be so far gone, I want her to eat her words about him being ugly and her own vanity, and him to do a 180 and lower those guards of his and yearn in fully fledged commitment and longing, and for the marching beat of their doomed timeline and the tragedy of history to then throw them apart at the exact right cathartic moment.
I want it to be SO bittersweet, just like the sound of flowers growing and the red string of fate.

Ask and ye shall receive, Sicaria.

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Him hesitating before going into the house. The soft looks when they reunite after the war, JH holding back his tears with his fan, GC asking her questions (but wanting to ask more, always more)*.

Their silliness in the field again, the walls up until they come down with intimacy of the following moment.
JH teasing till the last but, his actions desperate and earnest, with his tentative uncertain confessions and pleading to her to not forget him (as if she could if she tried) and then GC knowing she wants to say more in their final parting scene but still hesitating, to realising only AFTER, that she is not sad that YJ loves another actually, to yearning herself, to thinking him dead and then, only THEN FINALLY dreaming of his face, but in anguish.

- also, that dream where the blood on his back suddenly appears, either in foreshadowing or in callback to his injury from 6/7, and the shift in music like a horror movie scene? No words.)
- and, the parallels between him slowly sitting down against the fence in the quiet and the snow in episode 6, when he thinks he has sent her too her doom, to her sitting in the same position against the bedroom wall, and then slowly getting out his jacket in replacement of the silly rock wrapped in red silk, and holding onto it so tightly, so tightly.

It's annoying how good NGM is at looking like THAT (you know what I mean), these sad, sad eyes brimming with tears and then him cupping her face ow.

It hurts so good. They're frustrating and a mess but I love them.

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(*… when you remember the LAST time they saw each other properly was when he swore by the moonlight he’d find her, before they left for the island and him for the camp, and to have not seen each other since then with everything that has happened, and to only have ALMOST met in the forest, him knowing, but unable to reach out, her hoping, and trusting, but not fully knowing or seeing, and then to have that hope not yet fulfilled. And him coming back from death and that dream of his, and her in the dark, still… And then her lashing out about Ganghwa not knowing how much it KILLED HIM, to have sent her unknowingly into danger…)

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"I was expecting in 8, from the preview, to be more annoyed at the direction of the OTPs development, but as usual, never trust the previews"
Lmao, my thoughts exactly! I was like ugh not Yeon Joon feelings again but you know what, in context, I understood it because it was not about Yeon Joon at all.

Jang Hyun, for all his cleverness, doesn't seem to get that Gil Chae is hesitant because she can't be certain that his casual talk is hot air, and that he's already at the till death do us part of feelings so when he retreats and makes a joke, he proves her fears true. And he struck out at her in his momentary misery and she struck back and they both made each other miserable even though they didn't really want to or mean to.

It's interesting that there are some parallels between Gil Chae and Yeon Joon too where YJ's hesitation seemed to be about her being flighty and that she would not stay true if he did return her feelings, something that is close to what Gil Chae's hesitation is about Jang Hyun. The only difference is that YJ clearly never knew her to like her for herself and was just a concept that is appealing to Gil Chae rather than as a real man, whereas she and Jang Hyun are actually intensely compatible and requited in their deepest feelings even if they can't fully correctly verbalize it to each other.

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Right?!

Yes, his insecurities make him field everything as a joke, but HER'S mean she hasn't quite been able to be open to him enough in her words either and--- as we've both mentioned already, rinse and repeat the hurtful cycle.

YJ also clearly never saw behind the vanity facade to the GC that is extremely steadfast and true, and now he only ever be "too full of thoughts, and too full of regrets". Great parallel pick up. I love these characters and their nuances.

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JH is too focused on the existence of YJ as love rival to notice any other issue spoiling his chances with GC. Which is more or less true to life - male psyche has this built in high competitiveness factor that often gets way out of hand, especially when desire is involved. Every time I've dumped a boyfriend the very first question was not "why?" but "are you seeing someone else?". And every time I answered negatively the following was "then let's not, you've scared me - I though it's something serious". Like men genuinely have a trouble of getting the rejection memo in situations where another man is NOT involved somehow. In JH's mind it's not a problem that he's constantly making a childish fool of himself in front of his crush, it's not a problem that he cannot be further away from GC's definition of a dream partner - it's YJ that is THE problem, one and only! Lesser man would've actually try to remove this annoying human obstacle, 100% convinced that as long as his rival isn't around, EVERYTHING will magically go his way. JH is at least TRYING to use his non-lizard brain by doing all he could to make GC notice HIM instead of staging a deadly accident for YJ. Unfortunately, every time she hurts him, he snaps back into primitive aggressive defense, which includes "YJ this, YJ that" petty monologues. Truth to be told, I can't even blame him much here - GC did all she could to nurture this disastrous misconception in his mind, and now they're both dealing with consequences of not seeing the real picture along with real problems to address.

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I’m getting caught up on this show. I’m ready to be swept up. And can’t wait to read ALL of your comments and analysis

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Yay! Glad you could be here to join us in the being swept away haha the more the merrier

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☠ OTHER:

> Not me hoping last week that she’d be the one to arrive in time and pick up a sword and kill the last soldier lmao oh well 🤣

> Anybody stopped to wonder, not just in context of this story, but just how ironic all the talk of saving the “King” is, and striving for the King not to be disrespected or dishonoured in anyway, and a deep found loyalty to the King, when they deposed Gwanghae not even 13 years ago?
~*King Injo is the Imposter*~

> You’d think with the end of the war they would let up on the Political Intensity but no, they did not, they threw us right into the machinations of being in exile in the Qing court.
Feel free to help me with the politics of that though, cos some of it flew over my head on first watch and will be more paid attention to only the second time round.

> The detail about how when they returned home most of their clothes and belongings had been stolen or lost so they still wore lesser or worn hanboks till after they reached Hanyang… really added to the returning home/after the war themes.
I was reminded of the Scouring of the Shire, with how the war can be over but everything is forever changed, forever different, how some wounds and scars will never heal, and how home sometimes is home no longer…
((>> Significance of her father specifically remembering Eun Ae’s father’s hand moving?))

> JH noticing that she wore the red hanbok he gave her

> JH threatening YJ and being Fed Up™ and schooling him on his cowardly approach to his own worldview and then telling him he’d break his pale little neck, I screeched lmfao

> Now the daenggi is a recurring motif. And Red and Finding Each other remains.
Surprised he didn’t give her the knife back again though haha

> I think the use of this dream of hers, and dreams in general, is very interesting from a narrative pov but I haven’t quite collected my thoughts on this yet.
(The sound of flowers in his dream, and then the daisies being crushed when Gil Chae and co are kicked out of their home… hummm)

> I have NOT talked about the music in this show enough. I keep forgetting to.
There’s this score piece I love the most – the best example from this week is from 00:00:16 to 00:01:23 of episode 7 – they used it over them meeting again at the end of 4, and in the end of 6, and it’s so sweeping and epic, and soaring, and it fits them reuniting in high tense situations perfectly and I need MORE of it. There is another theme I think used for them as a couple, the waltz that @snowflower talked about, which is also lovely, and is played over the first beach scene and then over their reunion in 7 (hnggg the significance of DREAMS eh) but the first one gets me in my heart and me humming it every time haha.

> He’s definitely a winter colouring ahah

> The preview is SUS

P.S. Curse Ryang Eum and his Anti Red String of Faith folktales!

P.P.S. Fun fact: If Korea was in the SOUTHERN Hemisphere, the Moon Phases...

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... would've been accurate last episode, lol. (also 3 days ago when he left the camp! My calculations were correct!)

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The point about the worn hanboks - yes I loved this little detail too! and the fact that all of their faces still looked quite worn, tan and haggard & didn't magically return to being pristine and as fair as it had been overnight! Small details but they have big impacts on how real the storytelling feels.

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They had had baths yes but they were not the bright and wholesome youths of spring any longer!

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They even commented on tan-less faces of capital women at some point. Bet GC was SEETHING internally about that - even war didn't quite lessen her vanity, bless her)))

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I can't recall if I've ever noted the score in my comments, but I *SHOULD* be noting it in every comment, because damn do I love it. I went and listened to the bit you provided for timestamps and it made me realize how deeply all the tracks have already nestled into my brain already 😅 I find myself humming them all the time.

Not the OTP's main theme that plays during the more serious emotional scenes either (which I also adore) but there's that track that plays during some of their lighter moments (can be heard in ep 7, from around 41:20-) that I love and keep getting stuck on!

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LMAO my sentiments, precisely.

Yes that one you love is the Waltz I was talking about! Very beautiful.

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Yes I love this one especially! I also love that little ditty that plays when he intially sees her on the swing all the way from the village in ep 1. All of the osts are so good and I’m hoping we won’t have to wait until part 2 for a full release of it.

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that tilting shot to Eun Ae's father's hands really stuck with me. like what does it mean???

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Maybe @ally-le can help.

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No clue here.

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I hazard a guess... that as a dignified scholar he couldn't dance with the people, but he was still dancing with his fingers behind his back. Signifying his happiest moment maybe?

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@wishfultoki

I like this theory. It also makes sense, especially as a moment GC's dad would latch on to as a past moment to stay stuck in and keep reliving.

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@sicarius I like my theory too 😅 I was confused at first because of the slo-mo and instrumental music. But if you strip that away, it is just a scene from the wedding anniversary party and everyone was dancing.

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@wishfultoki the slow mo was what through me off initially too. I haven't got to a rewatch yet but I suspect it would've been more obvious then haha. Saving my rewatches for the break now haha.

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Jang Hyun's bleeding slash wound in Gil Chae's dream may not be a bad sign, according to this site on Korea's "dream interpretations."

"Weirdly enough, getting stabbed in your dream is often seen as a good sign in Korea.
But only if you are bleeding – a stab wound without any blood is a bad omen."

So it's a money dream? I vaguely remember seeing 💸💰 in the preview.

https://www.creatrip.com/en/blog/8643

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Where I live any kind of blood in dreams signifies issues with dreamer's relatives - like a sudden visit or something because "same blood", duh. But JH is obviously not GC's family, so idk. Maybe dreams are signalling her it's time to marry him and have his kids?)))

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He is also rich. 😂

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Ohoho! The dream plots thicken!

Hmmm and even more about the dreams to unpack now haha.

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We simply cannot resist meddling with it. Lol

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When they kissed, the song played at just the right moment and the lyric was so fitting it made me breathless for a moment. I haven’t been swept up in a drama like this for a while!!

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Honestly, I don't mind that the show is veering a bit from the history. The past six episodes have been quite intense. It's enjoyable to step back and see the story's bigger picture and the characters' motivation.

Jang Hyun is playing a dangerous game as a double agent, and I'm afraid that Ryang-eum will pay for it. Every time I see him on screen, my heart breaks. Whenever General Gol-dae mentions Gwanghae's spy, Ha Seo Guk, I can't help but think that it's foreshadowing Ryang-eum's fate. (Don't shoot me)
I don't like that Jang Hyun takes him for granted.

I have a feeling that Jang Hyun's action is motivated by revenge. He is afraid to be in a committed relationship because of it. I've had my limit on repeated flashbacks to him as a child. I hope they'll give us more next week.

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I did also suddenly have the thought of the man in the prison being blind and mute also... 👀 (although it looked like he could stand, albeit temporarily...)

*marks revenge down on her backstory theories list* Also extremely viable. Hope they do it well though, if so, I can be a bit picky and critical of revenge stories haha.

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Holy crap, I can't believe I said that. Who is the traitor? I deserve my toenails pulled.
Now that my senses have returned, I agree with you. They omitted some important events that should have been included at the beginning of episode 7. I paused the timeline when they left the fortress. I thought I'd add more this week, but I guess not.
We hear Dorgon's name a few times; I've read about him many times. I wish to see a bit more of him and the younger Prince Bongrim.

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LMAO!!!!!

I DO like seeing the bigger picture more, and I do understand why they did it the way they did, but I also, I wanted BOTH.
More Qing at this point is always a plus, I'm liking that side of the show very much. I wonder how they will go about showing and developing Crown Prince Sohyeon as a "Qing Sympathizer" 🤔

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We are greedy, aren't we?

I didn't expect him to cry for being forced to study Chinese history. If anything, it should broaden his horizon. But he's never left home before and has no idea if he ever will return.
Joseon was the definition of a hermit kingdom, and Shenyang was probably the 2nd most popular city next to Beijing. They had missionaries from the West, etc.
Anyway, maybe Dorgon and Sohyeon will be buddies after he recovers from his illness.

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Haha ikr. Show is already miles better than anything else I've watched this year but I still want more pfft.

He still has 8 years to develop, so I feel like I can kind of give him a bit of leeway since he's JUST moved there, off the wake of all the chaos I'm sure the end of the war and leaving itself would've caused him internally haha.

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@sicarius

During his eight years in Qing, he had five more children. It seems he was content there.

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5 children in 8 years! He did not muck around! lmao

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Probably the entertainment programme was not very good and he was bored. You have to keep yourself busy somehow.

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8 children in 5 years with his wife or multiple women?

Childbirth is hard. 😅

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Oops oops. Important typo. I meant to write 5 children in 8 years. Still, hard on the body.

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8 children in 5 years LMAO that'd be a lot of twins. 😂😂😂
Kiara can tell you if it was just the Crown Princess or not, but even if it was, that's basically just 1 every 2 years, except for a couple with just a year break instead haha. I feel like that's a pretty standard... spacing, all things considered.
Did they all survive??
I should just look this up lmao.

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I believe Crown Prince Sohyeon was a one-woman man, which is rare.

I'm trying to put together a partial Joseon Edition of The House of Yi, but only from our drama's timeline of our drama, from Gwanghae to Hyojong.

WIFE: Crown Princess Minhoe of the Geumcheon Gang clan, a descendant of General Gang from the Goryeo Khitan wars (1611 – 1646).

1. Unnamed Princess (1629 - 1631) – 1st Daughter
2. Unnamed Princess (1631 - 1640) – 2nd Daughter
3. Yi Seok-cheol, Prince Gyeongseon (1636 - 1648) – 1st Son (My Dearest baby).
4. Princess Gyeongsuk (1637 - 1655) – 3rd Daughter (born in Qing)
5. Yi Seok-rin, Prince Gyeongwan (1640 - 1648) – 2nd Son (born in Qing)
6. Princess Gyeongnyeong (1642 - 1682) – 4th Daughter (Born in Qing)
7. Yi Seok-gyeon, Prince Gyeongan (1644 - 1665) – 3rd Son (Born in Qing) (baby in Chuno)
8. Princess Gyeongsun (1643 - 1654) – 5th Daughter (Born in Qing)
(from Wikipedia)

I don't want to spoil more until it's revealed in the drama, but if they had stayed in Qing, they would have lived longer. The real villain is their grandfather (Injo) and concubine Jo, who will appear later in the show.

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"I don't want to spoil more until it's revealed in the drama, but if they had stayed in Qing, they would have lived longer"
*wistful sigh*
And heyy I was pretty bang on about the gaps between children, lol.

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There is little info on him except that he shared intel with Joseon and Later Jin (now Qing), like what Jang Hyun is doing.
I hope he doesn't get caught as the one who leaked the information on smallpox.

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"I don't like that Jang Hyun takes him for granted." Same here. I can't really see it happening knowing how strong his loyalty is, but if Ryang Eum were to betray Jang Hyun a part of me would cheer for him.

I'd at least like him to say "no thanks, don't feel like it" just *once* when Jang Hyun simply assumes RE will ask how high when he says "jump!" Because come on dude. In the earlier eps it felt like their loyalty went both ways (even though RE clearly has stronger feelings of a different sort) but lately it feels too much like RE is his lackey and I don't love that.

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THEY GOT ME GOOD. When Gil-chae mistakenly thought the other dude was the one who had saved them, while poor Jang-hyun was lying in a ditch RIGHT THERE. Also everyone can get f—stuffed, I can’t believe they not only didn’t give two sh*ts about the ONE guy that did ALL the heavy lifting but had the freaking audacity to be like ‘do us another favour??’ 🤬

Also, I’m all in for the slow burn but I also wanted to bang my head against a wall because it PHYSICALLY HURT watching Jang-hyun’s face fall like someone had stepped on his heart (repeatedly) every time she decided to bury her head in the sand. BUT ALSO MY DUDE that was cruel what you said to her on the mountain top. She’s young, she doesn’t know all that much about Jang-hyun (or everything we know anyways) and what she heard isn’t all that great either, she’s been sheltered most of her life and it’s probably not easy accepting the fact that the guy you thought you were desperately in love with isn’t the one for you (and also is a TOOL).

Speaking of the tool: YEON-JUN, boy do I have some choice words for you. Jang-hyun said ‘straight FAX no printer’ in episode 7 and I was here for it because WHY would you bring that up at all NOW with Gil-chae sir?? Right before you propose to another girl? That’s shifty af to say the least. I do not like this man. And of course, he’s only a coward but selfish too! A 1+1 special. We love condemning loved ones - including your WIFE - to a life on the streets because you don’t have the GUTS to do one simple task despite writing poetry for 29382938 episodes on how much you love the king and blah blah blah serving the nation yada yada yada principles. PRINCIPLES my foot.

The rest of my notes are unreadable because they drowned and disintegrated in my tears (thanks episode 8). I will fIGHT someone if we get the world’s most agonising cliffhanger to finish part 1 next week. But we probably will. *gets on knees to pray to the heavens, 제발*

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Alright, future me will probably admonish current me for being really harsh on YJ but idk it REALLY ticked me off when he decided to bring up the whole 'mmm I kinda like you??' followed by 'let's pretend I never said anything' & then the lack of thinking about what him saying no would entail for others...

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You can admonish me later also then. I was so out of patience with that boy!

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I would have understood if Yeon Joon wanted to talk to her to make sure there was closure and there could never have been anything between them because he knew she liked him, but that wishy washy wahh i kinda liked you but thought you were too silly to be worth it was enraging and so unnecessary. He should have just kept it to himself and stayed devoted to Eun Ae properly instead of trying to get Gil Chae worked up.

That said, I think he was completely right in what he said to the king, but he was just naive in a way he's been throughout his life, including with the war. He's tried so hard to be righteous and devoted to the king as a matter of principle that when he got faced with a cowardly fallible king, he thought maybe speaking the truth to make the king be a better leader would be the right way. But just like how he would have died in war for his principles and no preparation or cleverness if not for Jang Hyun, he tried to do the principled thing here and suffered for it because no one covered for him or told him he was a fool to think that king would tolerate moral talk from him.

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Yeah, that's true! I also agree in that he wasn't wrong in what he said to the King but (and this is also because my feelings bleeding in from the aforementioned earlier scene) I was exasperated when he did panic at the outcome because like you said, as usual no preparation or thinking about possible consequences of his actions, especially given the King's character. Or at least like see it through to the end you know, if you're going to take a principled stance.

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YJ being mildly insufferable to GC, for me at least, was made up for by the scene between and JH afterwards (and indeed, the following events, as painful as they are).
I still don't think it went in, but was it satisfying to watch? Heck yes.

"I know men like you very well. You are too full of thoughts to follow your heart, and too full of regret that you cannot live the way your reason tells you to live. You let those poor women decide it for you and hide behind their skirts enjoying watching their sad eyes. You wonder about saying that you are doing something big for the nation, but in truth you cannot keep your family well, unless your woman takes matters into her own hands."

What a scathing indictment, and also dripping with disdainful foreshadowing.
I think that what JH says here, can be taken as being about MORE than just YJ's treatment of GC, and Eun Ae. It is about that, yes, immediately, but it also reflects a deeper understanding of YJ's worldview: he is a scholar, and that is all he’s ever really known, and all he’s ever been taught. He hasn’t had to think outside of that, or his beliefs in principal until now. Therefore he acts within what he knows and what he thinks he believes, towards GC, towards, EA, and towards this ideology of his, in respect to the war and the King.
He has these grand notions about his own teaching, and worldview, but in practice he fails at the fundamentals right in front of him (taking care of his family better, etc.), and so fails in everything else too.
Which lines up well with what you have said, about him and the war, and him and the King.

"You have not changed at all, you are still so naive you cannot decipher foe from ally. If you were not Lady Eun Ae's fiance, I would break that pale neck of yours."
(Tell me, why did I find him saying this hot... )

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Because he was hot saying it. And I think that was because it wasn't some kind of silly male posturing and fighting over a woman, which I hate. It was a genuine indictment of a real failure of the principles over people head in the clouds thinking, where those who seem to think of themselves as righteous with proper principles don't seem to prioritize the people who should be considered first in their pursuit of more abstract principles (and in this case, a very fallible and selfish king).

It was also really funny because poor naive principled Yeon Jun is so grateful to Jang Hyun for saving his life and JH is so over him.

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That was rhetorical but I appreciate the thoughtful response anyway lmao.

Yes, I also hate posturing.
Failure of principals and so a failure of character, and thus in every right to be called out.

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I do wonder re the "I know men like you..."
if he is also referencing his own father possibly? We see him on his knees in the rain with him calling out to his father who sounds like he is beating someone-the mother possibly behing the doors?
If this was his reference for marriage and love at such a young age, well that makes it more understanding for his views now on love and marriage.

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I'm dying to know more about his past.
His father, that night that haunts him, what happened when he saved Ryang Eum, his dislike for Injo which seems so personal, and not just idealogical.
I saw a theory on tumblr that supposed something to do with his mum and being taken captive, and why he treated the old couple with such respect because the old man didn't look down on his wife for being mute.
I also like @wishfultoki's idea of his family being related to Gwanghae in someway.
We've only been given crumbs so far, so all we can do is wait lol.

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Agree, @Sicarius, that was a brilliant comment from Jang-Hyeong to Yeon-joon. And I can't recall a Rhett Butler/Ashley Wilkes confrontation along those lines ... (not that it matters here) -- Re Jang-hung and his backstory ... I'll follow with a separate entry

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Jang-heong, in the three flashbacks relating to him, two he has himself about being a boy of —I would say about 8 years of age— and one where Ryan-eum (under Inggūldi’s duresse) spurts out the words which save Jung-heong and the viewer gets to see a man in the process of starting to abuse a young boy, while a teenage boy (say 15 years of age) is clobbering that pedophile to death (or was it with a sowrd?). The clearly extremely painful begging scene of an 8 year old in the rain, in my view a jeonban child, was (I believe) directed TOWARDS his father, not ABOUT his father. Say, he is now 29 years of age, in 1637, that would take us to the year 1616 approximately. So, what was the scenario in Joseon around 1616 ? What’s special at that time ? I agree that he has a disdain for the royal family, and his comment to the crown prince’s eunuch about that he wanted to see what » that son’s path » would be, for me speaks volumes too — I just don’t know yet WHICH volumes I should consult!

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"..that would take us to the year 1616 approximately. So, what was the scenario in Joseon around 1616 ? What’s special at that time ?"
Probably the year is 1623 during the Yi Gwal's Rebellion. If it is, then Jang-heong is 5 years younger, around 24ish. She is still a teenager if we consider his comment in ep. 4 about stop joking with her when her wisdom teeth come out (18 yrs).
If indeed it is the Yi Gwal Rebellion then we can understand his loyalty issues (Yi Gwal held the king get the throne and then he was not rewarded for his efforts), not wanting to fight for the king and if, by any chance, he is one of the Yi Gwal people that fled to the Jin side it explains his knowledge of the language and the intruders.

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Jang Hyun's relationship with Eun Ae is super sweet. I like the brother/sisterly vibes. No one ships him and Gil Chae more than Eun Ae. He needs that extra encouragement so he won't give up.
He saved Yeon-joon because he didn't want to see the girls cry. Can we have more of this in dramaland?

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If he were one of Yi Gwal's people, he would be deemed a traitor and unable to return to Joseon unless he used a fake name.
The Yi Gwal defectors should be on good terms with the Manchus or at least know. Them. Ryang-eum knows them well. He can tell who is who by just looking at their banners. Jang Hyun seems clueless except for his knowledge of the Manchu language.
I wonder if he ever lived in Qing. As a merchant, he should be able to pick up the language.

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I was thinking more like being a child of the ones that participated in the rebellion and maybe he would have been forgiven. Also, all those people that participated in the rebellion were friends at some point with the people that remained on kings side because they all made Injo kings a few years prior so maybe someone in power protected him as he became orphan.
We don't know yet if that is his real name also.
What makes me believe more in this theory is the fact he does not believe in loyalty for the king or the CP because they were loyal and Injo did not reward them...much like our SML now. Probably I am wrong but to me it ties many things together.
Another theory is that he is the son of that spy but we will have to find out what Injo did to him.
And another one that I picked up from a youtube video is that he is actually begging his father not to hurt his mother, hence his antimarriage beliefs.
Many thanks for your history insights, I fell in love with Korea's past, something that I didn't learn to much in school. It is amazing how they survived being a country with all the big enemies around them. Hopefully I will visit some day.
I love this show, I have seen each episode half a dozen of times already. Amazing cast ( ML is fantastic) amd screenwriter and director. I just hope they don't mess it up by promoting some current social activisim like other dramas. I hope they keep it within Joseon era traditions and beliefs.

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These are some great theories! 👍

Few thoughts:
-The punishment for treason was death (sometimes exiled for the royals, beheading, hanging, quartering), not only for the traitor but his whole family, children, servants, etc. Sometimes, there are exceptions.
(The family and children of the Crown Princess suffered such a fate).
- Injo was insecure since he became king by a coup staged by the Westerners. I wonder if he would show mercy to those who tried to usurp the throne.
- Jang Hyun's back story is still a mystery, but I feel he doesn't care for the king or Qing emperor either.
His disdain for the king was evident before the invasion.
- Ha Seo Gun's son is a possibility. It makes sense why he doesn't care for either country, and General (Yong) Inggūldai brought it up twice now. Like father like son?
-That's an interesting theory about the scene from his childhood. It does make sense why it would affect him when it comes to marriage.
-Thank you for sharing! I haven't been this emotionally invested in a show in a long time. It's "always" a historical drama, and it motivates me to pick up a book and read it, even if it's about dead people. Haha

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@kodra @kiara
I could've contributed to these theories and discussions a bit more but honestly mostly, I'm just content to wait and see.
Although I did read and mention some similar theories to yours re. his mother Kodra, that seems to be quite a common thought among fans.

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Choi Myeong-gil and the other senior ministers' expressions made me laugh. They seemed to ask, "Who is this noob and what is he doing asking for a death sentence?"😂

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Lol I thought the death stare and face twitching were amazing acting and how could they not laugh at his face!

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Since the other half of my 5-6 part comment, and OTP analyses is currently in Limbo (please release it soon 🙏), I'll get back to that, and post this first:

☠ Mildly Irritated Royal Kiss Analyst Files: ENTRY 10

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Total Length (from move in to move away/end cut): 39s
Cut Scenes: 14/15 (couldn’t decide which pull away cut to end on, there were 3… -_-)
Shots/Camera Angles: 9 (whyyyyy)
Possible No. of Takes Thpliced together: 3
Cuts to Time (cuts per second) Ratio: 1:2.7 😭

Hand placement/movement/positioning: He pulls her in to kiss by her face, but the scene cuts between his hand cupping her head and cupping her shoulder, and then the overhead shot his hand his on her back. 🙄 Just the cupping of the head would’ve been the ideal one.
Disappointing.
(no gat in the way though, Gat Haters, cos it conveniently fell off for you)

Lip Action: It was brief and they’re not THERE YET I’m fine with this being more chaste, and it makes it that much more painful.
Cheekbones/Jawline: not the best scene to show case either of their jawlines, but there’s a couple of scenes elsewhere where Eun Jin’s practically cuts open the screen. Also, NGM has impeccable bone structure, I’ve talked about this before (https://www.dramabeans.com/members/sicarius/activity/1286188/)
Hand structure: and he has GREAT hands we know
Atmosphere/ Context/ Story: See Above. The green, blue, and gold. Her baetssi daenggi, their hanboks, the barley, the sky and the sun. Sweet and sad and annoying all at the same time.
Song: It’s not any of their instrumental motifs, but it’s still nice, ofc. My favourite part of this song is the haegeum though.

Overall Ranking:
TRAGICALLY, this is HORRENDOUS as far as Technicalities of a Kiss go. And tragically I must say that, despite my deep love and appreciation for this show otherwise and so far. This might pain me the most. I wish there weren’t so many takes and cuts because it was very poignant and emotive OTHERWISE, and it’s exquisitely coloured and post produced, and the *quality* of each shot is excellent, but the story does the heavy lifting here to make up for calamitous editing choices.
1. There better be another kiss and 2. it better be better than this one.

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Hahahaha alas... I can never ignore. (Truthfully. I wanted to. For this show. To not be the Royal Kiss Analyst. But I couldn't even quite get into the scene as much as I wanted to even on first watch, and then when I was counting the cuts, I went OH NO WONDER GOOD GRIEF)

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I'm loling because I noticed this too and was wondering whether to bring it up in my comment so I'm glad you did, because what the hell was going on with that editing. Who was in charge of continuity and how did they fail so badly because why was his hand just dancing around in every angle so noticeably. It was especially silly because the lighting, the colors of the clothing, their faces, were all so gorgeous and that distracted me. It's a good thing they're both so pretty, I managed to get over it. Namgoong Min's facial structure is honestly miraculous.

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😭😭😭 Honestly, considering how good some of the other editing has been (the first sword fight for example, in 4, is CLEAN af), to stitch at least 3 completely different takes together for something so important as the first kiss scene... WAE YO.

I am obsessed with his bones. I'm obsessed with bones in general, so this is not AS creepy as it sounds, promise... 👀🤭

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There was some atrocious editing in the first two episodes especially but then it got better to a point where I wasn't noticing so much. Until the kiss. Zoinks 🙃 What is going on there? It's such a shame because the drama is gorgeous and on point in so many other aspects. Are they rushing? I heard they're still filming...

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I hope they're not rushing. The last thing this drama needs is to be rushed... 😭

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I was wondering why the kiss was not the emotional peak for me as is normally with romantic scenes, rather what built up before, and then again when she went to see him when he left. Good analysis.

I still don't mind because there is much emotional resonance the actors brought to those scenes. But I too hope for a better kiss. I don't need the cherry on top of the cake, but it sure is better with it.

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Luckily, due to all the stuff that preceded it, the kiss was always going to be more bittersweet, than heart-fluttering for me so it didn’t affect the overall emotions of the scene too terribly. The focus seemed to be more on capturing Gil-chae’s conflicted response to the kiss, as well as his inner turmoil, which distracted me initially from all the hiccups. Still, better editing could have made leagues of difference and helped to make the moment just as iconic and rewatchable as all their reuniting scenes have been.

The scenes of them bantering lightly, with all the looks they give each other, showcased their chemistry much better so certainly hoping for improvement in the future. I know Ahn Eun-jin does rather well in this area, so it really depends on the PD getting it together and NGM, who hasn’t done much romance in recent years so I have no idea what to expect there. Even if we don’t get a super passionate kiss, I’m at least hoping for a more genuine and certainly less chaste one.

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My God, these two are ANNOYING(but in the best way) please get it together. My goodness their stubbornness of the both of them and his first instinct being to runaway is not healthy. Sir, stay and fight. As for Gil Chae, good lord woman, it is okay to admit you like him, even though to be fair to her she did try but he got stuck on the shoes. Well, the show has done a good job of making sure they see each other each episode, so I look forward to that.

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Actually laughed when he brought the shoes, and then the look on her face! Sure, okay, yeah bring me new shoes!

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Why do they toy with that kind of ominous superstition? I hope he buys her 2 jade rings instead.

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Oh my gosh! How could I have overlooked that symbolism? I was too busy facepalming at his oblivious jumping to conclusions to notice. Now I'm worried. Whatever he does, I do not want him to buy her shoes. Ever. Rings are good.

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Never ever, ever, trust a drama, of any kind, that talks about buying shoes for a love interest. *smh*

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Right? Normally I'm like, "No! Not the shoes! Nothing good comes of buying her shoes!" But this time I was so caught up in their back and forth dialogue, and the ever changing expressions on their faces, I actually missed it. I should have known better.

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@ramenqueen, there is korean superstition that if you buy shoes for a loved one, they will leave you.

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@ramenqueen this^
Buying someone shoes is synonymous with them "running away" in said shoes, aka leaving. I made a mental note earlier this week to look up where this superstition came from, Kafiyah, but I haven't got round to it yet haha.

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@sicarius, I actually did some googling about it, there isn't much on its origins that I could find, but it does seem to have started in the Joseon period.

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I'm actually curious if the superstition started in the Joseon era or before it.

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Ah. I guess it’s not ‘sex & the city’ where your shoes collection is actually an investment fund

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To be fair they may be ignoring that particular superstition in this drama, but the way they have been separating gives rise to this particular anxiety.

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Right, it's just a superstition—the fear of the unknown.
There have been plenty of dramas where it didn't matter, like BOSSAM.

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SPOILER ALERT:

But you all were right worrying about the shoes!

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WowSQUEEEEEEEEEE!
I've watched both episodes twice as they were brilliant.
Surely this show is going to sweep up all the awards at the Baeksang Arts Awards next year.
The moments that were really exceptional and memorable for me were the scenes where both NKM and AEJ had no dialogue but so much was portrayed and emoted.
It was like watching a masterclass in acting.
All the actors are fabulous.
I can't believe the actor playing Ryang Eun is only 22. His poignant love and longing for Jang Hyun is heartbreaking and beautiful at the same time.
Please show, don't make him do something bad.
So many lovely visual scenes but the standout would have to be Gil Chae in her stunning yellow/green hanbok with Jang hyun in the lime green field.
Absolutely stunning.
I really appreciate the effort that has gone on behind the scenes to find such wonderful, breathtaking locations, the staging/choreography of the fighting scenes, the glorious wardrobe (and makeup) ranging from the intense colours of the hanboks and sweet, pretty faces to the sweat covered, filthy, bloodied spectrum.
Also the top class effort of ripping out my heart and stomping all over it and grinding it into tiny little pieces.
Well done show, I applaud you

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"Watching a masterclass in acting" - absolutely!! I've not felt this much emotion about two people having it out emotionally in an open field since Little Women - but even then, that was raw because Teddy and Jo were laying it ALL out, but this was so restrained in many ways and yet so much was said without words. Can't wait for hopefully cathartic screaming session scene in the near future where both of them can be fully honest about how they feel.

Also ditto your last point hAHAH I'm highkey impressed also at how they've managed to shatter my heart multiple times and it's only episode 8.

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That scene from Little Women- Teddy laying it all out for Jo in the open field- ugh, had me in tears. Even my daughter who was luke warm at best to see the movie became so absorbed and was in tears as well. We were a mess but it was done so well.

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This show always gets me emotional and even the small bits that I have quibbles with get swept over with feelings. Namgoong Min and Ahn Eun Jin do such amazing things with their expressions. The spectrum of misery and heartbreak sweeping over his face and the subtlety of sadness when he cupped her face and murmured that she was cruel/he hated her before he regained his equilibrium. And the expressions on her face when she finally sees his face in her dreams and when she realizes (thinks) he's dead were masterful. Also the kiss was beautiful, may we have more and hopefully with neither one dead at the end... Both of them said some stupid things to each other, but I think it felt realistic and their actual feelings were done very well.

The show didn't do a great job of showing why someone as dynamic and interesting as Gil Chae would keep being hung up over Yeon Joon even after everything she went through, but then she says he reminded her of the days she felt most beautiful and I was like, ok, I hear you. I found it frustrating that Jang Hyun didn't tell her he came for her and saved her on the island, but his face fell so hard when Bang Doo was talking about how Gil Chae made them go to Ganghwa Do and how they suffered for it, and I realized he couldn't say it because he felt so guilty that he'd underestimated the enemy and almost got her killed, so he couldn't say it. I still do think it could be a bit better, but at least it felt like the show tried to do reasonable explanations for two of the more egregious sticking points for me.

Yeon Joon...is still not great, but I did sort of understand it a bit, he's spent his whole life trying to be upright and now he wants to make sure the king is worthy of that devotion. Except the king is weak and a coward so now YJ has managed to get himself in jail and gotten Eun Ae miserable all over again.

I wish there was more open critique of the king and the ministers in the narrative rather than only subtle bits, the invaders can be shown as barbaric at the same time as the royalty's self-involvedness can be more openly reviled by the narrative.

I did absolutely love that YJ's words had no bearing on Gil Chae and Eun Ae's bond, the sisterhood is solid and Gil Chae made sure Eun Ae didn't keep thinking about the hateful, poisonous sexist tripe about chastity and give up her right to happiness.

I do think jang Hyun became a bit overpowered by the narrative, so having him get swept up in someone else outsmarting him for once is a good way to make him have to work back to the top, I am intrigued to see how the story manages it. I am not looking forward to the long gap we're going to have after next week :(

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Yeah I also wonder why someone as dynamic as GC is stuck on YJ, but I guess she really, really, really has convinced herself that she's in love with him. And also I guess she isn't seeing through his righteousness and all that the way that JH is, so he's just the Ideal Joseon Man at this point in her eyes as well maybe?

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I feel that a large part of this—perhaps “too” large—was that she was very much convinced that Yeon-joon was (literally) the husband of her dreams. She says as much as in the scenes where she’s emotionally giving him up, wondering verbally if she was mistaken about who she’s been dreaming of this whole time. I’m willing to assume that she might not have given it much more thought. It was “meant to be.”

I feel he also probably had her number when he called her on the fact that her vigorous pursuit was more about wanting something she couldn’t have than a reasoned attraction.

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Oh hello Seon-ha!! You're here!! 😯 👋 Yeah the dream thing was a big thing to her that's true & for sure, especially since every other guy in the village was 😍 for her that's a good point that a good part of her liking YJ was the idea of wanting something that wasn't hers already & later on, that she couldn't have.

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I agree that she liked him more as an ideal than a man, but I don't really agree about him being right that she was pursuing him only because she couldn't have him and would have been fickle if she did get him. He was the most eligible bachelor in a small pool of candidates in a sheltered community, and given how limited a woman's opportunity to exercise any choice in her future was, he was the person who embodied her way of exercising that choice to get someone she thought was the most appealing young man in the village, and who would have a bright future out of it too. Self-involved, yes, but not cruel or selfish in that she just wanted him to make someone else miserable. She wanted him as the person she thought would give her the romantic happy ending she wanted.

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To be clear I don’t think she meant to harm him. Her behavior stemmed from pride, vanity and stubbornness. We hope to see those things melt away now!

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Hi person, who isn't watching... 👀

I think it's a little like what I said in episode 1 and 2 about how the Villagers acting before and at news of the war. That you can know something to be true in fact, but not TRULY know, until it's on top of you.

I'm going to quote Anne of the Island, multiple times, because there are similarities:

“I do know my own mind,' protested Anne. 'The trouble is, my mind changes and then I have to get acquainted with it all over again.”

"To her came one of those moments when we realise, as by a blinding flash of illumination, more than all our previous years have taught us."

"... and later on I thought I must be in love because he was my ... ideal"

"Oh Anne, things are so mixed up in real life, They aren't clear cut and trimmed off as they are in novels."

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"You don't know love when you see it. You've tricked something out with your imagination that you think love, and you expect the real thing to look like that."

Not all of these are directly transferable to Gil Chae, but you get the idea.
As @relisher says, answering their own question lol, YJ was her ideal. The most eligible young man in the village, and, it is implied, a long time friend and childhood companion of both Eun Ae and Gil Chae. Gil Chae wants a husband, and she thinks she knows what that looks like both intellectually (someone to rely on, someone she can trust, someone who will provide a future for her), and in practice (Yeon Jun. It must be Yeon Jun then. Surely.)

But she doesn't realise what she's looking for ISN'T him, until she sees them getting married, and she doesn't know, intellectually, although her heart is already there, that JH is whom she loves, until a terrible gross Book of Revelation (to quote the book chapter) similar to Anne, until she thinks he's dead... aklfdjhalkdjha

(And alas, for her, she's likely to be doomed by the narrative, to not the future she has dreamed of anyway, even if JH COULD give that to her... her Red String has other plans.)

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YJ as Roy Gardner -- the supposedly ideal (yet kind of clueless) man. I can definitely see that! Unfortunately, I'm not sure a House of Dreams is in JH and Gil-chae's future. One can always hope, though.

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@marysadanaga No, she's in a much, much different Style of Narrative, to Anne! Lmao.

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These two episodes just hit all the beats for me. I think I screamed internally when Gil-chae just missed seeing Jang-hyun, and the soldier who sent her and her friends off as human shields got all the credit for saving them.

Also, Jang-hyun telling off Yeon-joon was all kinds of awesome. I do like that we got a little more insight into Yeon-joon during his late night soliloquy to Eun-ae. He desperately wants to be seen as a man of honor, more than he actually wants to be one.

I continue to love the relationship between Gil-chae and Eun-ae. I don't want anything to ruin it, it must be preserved at all costs! I was so proud of Gil-chae when she encouraged Eun-ae to accept Yeon-joon.

My heart is owned, however by the two main leads, another back-and-forth. They're their own worst enemies sometimes, so I'm so glad that Gil-chae finally knows her heart. Now she just needs to know that Jang-hyun is alive!

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Although he came back, it's the fact that - as you said - he was complicit in using them as human shields initially and then was credited for saving the girl was salt in the wound (I was also screaming at the screen at this point, JUST LOOK GC, LOOK OVER THERE!!!). At least he did deny killing all of them though I guess, but I'm suss as to why he's got more screen time later on and don't want him to come in the way of our hearts 💕 main couple 💕 in any way 👀

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Yes, the camera lingered on his face a bit too long as he was walking Gil-chae back, it made me suspicious. She doesn't need another man falling at her feet. Now that she knows her heart, I just want JH to get the opportunity to know it too.

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Yup, I'm dreading another love triangle or obstacle.

The actor is Ji Seung Hyun, not an unknown or rookie actor. I recognized him immediately. Don't think he will just be a cameo.

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I thought he looked familiar. *sigh* he's going to be another obstacle isn't he?

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I am hoping he plays a role in getting them together. One, he was honest with her that he didn’t kill all the 17 machus. Two, he saw her with JH and knows there is something cooking between the two.
He is a soldier so hopefully his role is more than being in a love triangle.

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I posted info on Jinkang incident and the history of Sino-Korean relations on my wall.

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I must have missed this. What is the drama reference?

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The king does not want to leave the fortress because he is afraid of suffering the same fate as the last emperor of Northern Song dynasty.

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Oh, I clicked on the wrong link. Lol
Yes, we've talked about this before.

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Is it too early to say just give Namgoong Min and Ahn Eun Jin all the awards? Their scenes together were heartbreaking in the best way. I found myself watching them several times just to revel in the acting and the micro-expressions that passed across Jang-hyun's and Gil-chae's faces (after the first time having to read the subtitles).

As much as it's painful to see them wound each other so effectively with their words, it does make sense given what we've learned about their characters. Turned cynical by the tragic circumstances of his past, Jang-hyun never imagined a great love being part of his future. Sure, he could charm the flower shoes off other women, but I don't think he has ever wanted to do that with Gil-chae. It would cheapen any reciprocal feelings she developed for him. Instead he keeps showing her his worst and basically daring her to love him in spite of it. (Which of course will end up being a million times more meaningful when it finally happens.)

And I think Gil-chae will come to see that Jang-hyun's regard for her -- which is rooted in far more than being the prettiest girl in the village -- is ultimately more fulfilling than whatever wishy-washy crumbs of affection Yeon-jun would send her way. Here's a man who recognizes her depth of character and strength in a way no one else has. She just has to finish growing out of her old, pre-war persona and embracing the survivor she is.

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"Instead he keeps showing her his worst and basically daring her to love him in spite of it." ➡️ I really love this omg, love this analysis of their dynamic!!

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Yes, yes, yes, yes yes, yes! All this! haha

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I felt a wide range of emotions while watching ep7:
* Happy - seeing Jang Hyun and Gil Chae reunite even if they are bickering because that's just how they flirt.
* Frustration - I want to yell at Jang Hyun "That is not a confession, you ass". And just both of them in general since they are not confident with their own feelings for the other.
* Annoyance - Yeon Jun is a spineless fool. I am annoyed with his righteous talk when he could've just walked away from GC and say nothing. He is already engaged no need to lead GC on.
* Sad - Ryang Eum was friendzoned and I felt bad to see his heartbroken face.
* Anger - at the people commended by that spineless King/court. The people that saved them got no recognition for their efforts, particularly Jang Hyun who is bedridden at the time. The court is celebrating they still got their position and their necks intact even if they lost their dignity.

As for ep8: still feel sadness and hurt from our leads.

My heart broke for Jang Hyun. He was truly hurt by Gil Chae's words.

Ahn Eun Jin really shined in ep8 for me. She was great in showing the rollercoaster of emotions she feels whenever she thinks of, confronts, and especially the ending scene when she was devastated at the thought of losing him. Bravo!

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The scene at the end of 8 with Gil Chae standing on the rock calling out Jang Hyun's name while flapping his coat is an actual ritual called ch'ohon or kobok.  
It was usually done on the roof of the house of the deceased but he didn't have a house as such and it is obviously much more visually spectacular the way it was shot. 
From asianorg.com - "One of the relatives would then take a coat of the deceased to the roof  of the house and called out their name three times. Then, the coat was taken back into the house and used as a cover for the corpse". 
Seriously, a round of applause for the coat that meant so much more throughout the show than just Jang Hyun using it to cover Gil Chae when she was cold, with the snow falling, sleeping in the tent. 
All the layering that goes into the writing of this show is chef's kiss.
There must be so many little things that I miss, they need to have a handbook to accompany the show. 

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Thanks for the info. I see similar actions by eunuchs when a king dies in every saguek I have seen. I agree that it was visually more appealing done at the mountain top.

That is a great idea. The show definitely should provide a handbook for those little details that we may have missed. Its also great that we have a recap thread like this and the beanie community to pitch in, in lieu of that handbook.

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I have it up on my wall, too. I kept the link from another sageuks a decade ago.
I've seen it many times when the king passed away. But I rarely see it done for a commoner.

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Thanks @alathe for an enjoyable recap! I appreciate the light hearted tone. It made the episode less depressing than what it was.

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This better be the last time Gil Chae longs for Yeon Joon. Can't believe she was still hanging onto him. Tired of seeing him and his blandness. He really irked me when during his 'drunken' state, he slipped up and gave her a glimmer of hope. He stopped himself, but he should have done better. His only good scene was when he spoke out in front of the king (even though it got his butt in trouble lol).

Jang Hyun's sad, sad eyes. We saw them too often. T_T

In the end, Gil Chae finally accepted her feelings and regretted her actions. Oh, their separation kills me.

I should have known their first kiss scene would be a chaste one. The setting in the fields was absolutely stunning and Jang Hyun's lines were heartbreaking. I can't wait for their next kiss(es) to be explosive. That probably won't happen until the second half. /sighs/

whilst Gil-chae stumbles over the best way to phrase, “my prophetic dream sequences say we ought to make out.” Somehow, this emerges as, “Buy me a new pair of shoes.”

😂😂😂 They're gonna have to give us some good scenes to balance out all the misery.

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"Somehow, this emerges as, “Buy me a new pair of shoes.” -> happens to the best of us 😂

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Our materialistic GC.. can't fault the poor girl that still mourns the loss of her own shoe collection to the invaders.

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