[Drama chat] They warned me but I watched anyway
by missvictrix
Thanks to great K-drama sites (like Dramabeans, duh), we fanatics have access to fans like us that know when a drama is good. They also know when a drama is bad. Or when the ending is so bad that it requires smoke signals reading Stop now, friend! for everyone who didn’t yet suffer the fate they are currently suffering. And while we all have different tastes, we can still find fans who love the same sorts of stories we do, and rely on their advice as we identify our next watch.
But then there are those times of willful disobedience. When you want to watch a drama knowing full well it was universally disliked, panned, and/or excommunicated from the dramaverse. This happens to me a lot, especially when there’s a drama whose reputation preceded it (like oldie Que Sera Sera) or a new drama where I’ve been all kinds of spoiled for the (disappointing) ending, but can’t seem to stop myself from not caring. I’m looking at you, Heartbeat.
What are some of the dramas that you willfully watched, despite being warned? Or, what are some that you fully plan to watch in the future despite the same warning?
Let the chatting begin!
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1 Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 5:45 AM
Thanks @missvictrix this is going to be a great roll call I am looking forward to reading the responses.
Is the picture for Do do sol sol la la sol? In know the veterans will recognise the picture straight away. I am guess because that’s the one I have heard criticised the most often but I am sure there are many others that I could accidentally stumble into watching due to my lack of knowledge and high tolerance for minimal storyline if the actor is good looking and there is no violence😆
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 5:46 AM
*guessing
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Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 5:52 AM
For what it’s worth, @reply1988, that’s an image from HeartBeat. I AM staying even farther away from Do Do Sol Sol La La Sol because of the comparisons to the ending of HB, though…
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 5:59 AM
Thanks for letting me know, sorry for reopening the wound🥺
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Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 6:17 AM
Oh, it’s a wound that may never heal. I can take it. 🥹🗡️ 🧛 ♥️ 🤦♂️ 😓
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HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 6:02 AM
Ok, I am just going to mention that although frustrating and nonsensical on MANY levels, the ending of Do Do Sol Sol is still FAR, far better (in my opinion) than that of HeartBeat, according to the letter of the law of Hopeful Romantic's Happy Ending Formula. Do Do Sol Sol is not heartbreaking like HeartBeat.
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mindy
September 10, 2023 at 6:05 AM
I did not witness Heartbeat first hand like I did Do Do Sol Sol, but I’m not sure the ending of Do Sol Sol was REALLY happy… LOL.
I think if someone did all that to me I would shove him down and run away screaming!
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HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 6:15 AM
Yep 😑 *SIGH* The frustration still lingers!!
Diana Hansen
September 10, 2023 at 10:06 AM
Its one I forced myself to finish and is now thankfully forgotten. I so wanted to like it.
ar_arguably romantic
September 10, 2023 at 12:09 PM
One of those cases where it would have been better if the ML just stayed dead since one of the drama's themes was about dealing with grief and moving on.
People who willingly fake their deaths should come home to their former partner straddling and making out with a newer and better partner.
Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 6:35 AM
Any chance you could write up the letter of the law of “Hopeful Romantic’s Happy Ending Formula” on your Fan Wall? That’d be a fun thing to talk about!!!
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HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 6:47 AM
Haha yes! I'll do that 😊
HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 11:43 AM
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HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 11:51 AM
Ok, here's the link to Hopeful Romantic's Happy Ending Formula - @reply1988 reminded me to add a link, and I just learned how to do that! 😊
Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 12:42 PM
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the underage romance aspect of DDSS (not to mention the title, which I can never remember correctly). I know the FL lead wasn't aware that the ML was a high schooler, but I still found the show's celebration of their romance disturbing.
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OldLawyer
September 10, 2023 at 10:16 PM
The ending of HEARTBEAT made my wife cry. I am not sure I will ever forgive that show for doing that.
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Seon-ha
September 11, 2023 at 6:21 AM
WOW!
Cecee
September 12, 2023 at 11:41 AM
I could not say something like without giggling all the way through. This is so full of melo, in the best possible way. I envy your mind. When you said you would never forgive the show for making your wife cry, I can't help but picture you kicking the living sh*t out of a bunch of onions that made your wife cry while she was cooking. This is the way my mind works because I don't get this level of melo. But I admire that you are able to say such things seriously and in all sincerity.
mindy
September 10, 2023 at 6:03 AM
Do Do Sol Sol was so cute and silly, and then a few episodes in it raised some alarm bells but we were like “Well, it could be worse…” and then the drama decided to prove us right!
I think the only drama ending stupider than Do Do Sol Sol was Oh Mas… Oh My… Oh My Ladylord… whatever stupid thing you want to call that stupid, stupid show. But it was stupider from the beginning, so… glad I had the sense to drop it and learn second hand.
I still demand a second chance for that OTP by the way, dramaland! 😡 The biggest injustice of any pairing I’ve ever seen. 😤
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 6:08 AM
Yes, I saw Oh my ladylord odd is the best way to describe that one.
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mindy
September 10, 2023 at 6:12 AM
“Odd” is definitely a nicer way to say it than “stupid”, but I don’t take my “stupid”s back! :P
Needless to say, everyone should stay FAR, FAR AWAY. ESPECIALLY if you like the actors as much as I do. 😂 You know, there are many shows I dislike but that I can totally understand other people enjoying. That show is the ONE exception.
I have never met or heard of anyone who watched that show to completion and enjoyed it and I am convinced they do not exist.
Flightey Gazelles
October 2, 2023 at 12:36 PM
I can feel your anger at that drama @mindy
Loools. Sorry, you had to take one for the team
HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 6:16 AM
Thanks to Dramabeans, I was able to skip Oh My Ladylord!! Very thankful for that 👍
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Elinor is indistinguishable from an AI
September 10, 2023 at 9:16 AM
I skipped OML, too. THANK YOU beanies!
As for the prompt: after seeing so many snarky/outraged comments here, I watched parts of DDSSLLS anyway - but only the scenes with Lee Jae-wook, to the point that I literally have no idea who all those other people are or where the title of the show came from, and I stopped altogether before the end of ep. 14. So I saw some cute stuff, some "cute" but highly questionable stuff, and a blur of colorful settings, almost completely without context. That made it a pretty good show! 😆
I also started My Absolute Boyfriend despite all the warnings and I will never stop regretting those lost hours and my soaring cortisol levels. That really taught me a lesson.
HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 9:28 AM
@elinor that sounds like the perfect way to watch Do Do Sol Sol!! I also tried Absolute Boyfriend, but dropped it quite quickly 😬
Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 1:34 PM
Now, of course, I'll need to go check out Oh My Ladylord!
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mindy
September 10, 2023 at 1:46 PM
Oh god, don’t do it!! I never should have mentioned it!!
I usually forget it exists and we’re all better for it tbh!!!
Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 2:05 PM
If you do seriously start watching it please report back which episode pushed you to the point of needing to drop or fast forward. I watched it during the time when I did not drop or fast forward dramas so watched to the end.
Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 2:30 PM
I'd probably just skim it to see whether it ranks in the category of "so bad it's good." I sometimes enjoy watching terrible movies, but I wouldn't want to invest hours and hours of my time with a lousy full-length drama.
Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 10:20 PM
I just read a comment on AsianWiki that described the show as “ a waste of carbon emission.” 🤣 🤣 🤣
Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 10:44 PM
🤣 👆🏾Thank you for sharing such a superb description. That is going on the list of phrases that have to be circulated!
mindy
September 13, 2023 at 11:27 AM
Today I was just told that a kiss scene from that drama has 103 MILLION views on YouTube, making it one of the most-watched kdrama kiss scenes on YT
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Well, you know, if you're gonna have a legacy, better that than anything about the actual story... LOL.
So don't bother watching the drama. Just skip to the kiss scenes. 😂
Babylilo
September 13, 2023 at 1:57 PM
I watched the famous OML makeout scene. It’s pretty hot, especially by Kdrama standards (by which I mean they each take off an outer layer of clothing, but still remain pretty much fully dressed).
Lee Min-Ki is also in one of my all-time favorite kiss scenes—the one in Because This Is My First Life.
Minnie
September 10, 2023 at 4:31 PM
Heartbeat broke the heart so bad :-(
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bong-soo
September 10, 2023 at 7:30 AM
After a quick glance I thought the image was from the hugely disappointing SUMMER STRIKE (2022). As far as I am concerned everyone in that seaside town with the exception of Dae-beom (Siwan) should have been forcibly quarantined aboard HOSPITAL SHIP (2017) and deposited on an uninhabited island and forced to learn to act like a decent person. You get the picture.
So I am proud (or maybe not) to be a survivor of: HEARTBEAT, SUMMER STRIKE (2022), DO DO (2020) and for that matter HOSPITAL SHIP (2017) which was one of my early plods before ‘drop’ entered my vocabulary. I will grant it that the scenery was lovely.
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bong-soo
September 10, 2023 at 10:47 AM
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bong-soo
September 10, 2023 at 10:51 AM
@elinor (and others). I see above that you say you skimmed through Lee Jae-wook’s scenes in DO DO but stopped at episode 14. I thought things in the story started sliding backwards after episode 9 but I persevered to the end.
Well you missed imo one of the most moving scenes in the second half of the drama. It is the scene in the epilogue to episode 15. It is a guys scene, the farewell between Joon (Lee Jae-wook) and young local friend Seung-gi (Yoon Jong-bin) where Joon gives Seung-gi something that was very important to him.
You can find it at DO DO’s episode 15 on Netflix at 2.46 remaining in the episode. I think you will enjoy it.
It a beautiful scene where both young actors were terrific and for me it is a LJW scene I will always remember along the lines of remembering the ending of episode 8 of NAVILLERA.
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WishfulToki
September 10, 2023 at 7:47 PM
I still don't know how I managed to watch more than half of HOSPITAL SHIP. Actually, I do know: I love the sea, and Kang Min Hyuk 😆
But to be fair, nobody warned me, since DB didn't recap it and few beanies watched it.
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DBernath
September 12, 2023 at 1:32 PM
Oh god, why oh why did you have to remind me about Hospital Ship! I remember I really enjoyed Ha Ji-Won in Secret Garden and went looking for what else she was in and tried this. I could only stand a couple of episodes
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bong-soo
September 12, 2023 at 5:03 PM
I watched ALL 20/40 episodes. I don’t think we see it so much now but HS aired during that period where 60 minute episodes were split in 2 so ads/commercials could run in between. It also aired when I was still following a foolish rule: start a drama, finish a drama. It was nuts.
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Britney
September 10, 2023 at 7:47 AM
I was literally about the write Do do sol sol la la sol! Oh my god, that ending😮💨😑😩
I had another show in mind but I forgot what it was and this one just took over the entire theme in my head.
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darwi
September 10, 2023 at 1:17 PM
That's funny, I just watched ep1 of Do do sol sol la la sol this week because 1) Lee Jae Wook 2) my co-watching-drama friend started it 3) I mixed up the story with Do you like Brahms and did not check before pressing "start" 4) @seeker said good things about it last week Open Thread.
I have no idea of the plot because FL annoyed me so much. Then I remembered that I disliked her in another drama, so I decided to drop.
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2 Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 5:46 AM
When binge-watching, I drop shows like hot potatoes when I don't like them, so when I start a show that other Beanies have panned, their bad opinions just give me greater liberty to drop faster. Here, though, are three that I started despite what other Beanies said, but still finished because I liked them enough to do so.
Check out the Event
Yeah, in this one, the FL is quite, um, unhinged in her attachment to her former boyfriend. It's not the most sensitive portrayal of what it's like to be in love. But the 2ML here is Ahn Woo-yeon in one of his larger roles, so I watched to the end. The pretty disappointing end.
The Undateables
I watched this one for Namgoong Min. I think we're seeing a theme about why I watch when Beanies say not to, but just wait, it's gonna change with the next one. ANYWAY, thing is, I'd recently seen both Chief Kim and Stove League and I feel that NM plays a sort of dispassionate, a-romantic type in both of these dramas. He does this quite well--like no one else, in fact. So, I wanted to see him in a rom-com to watch him try his hand at it. Hence, this drama! He did great, IMO, although he's doing even better in My Dearest. The drama as a whole is fine for 8 episodes, and then falls off a cliff.
Nevertheless
I did NOT watch this one for Song Kang. I mean, I stayed watching for Song Kang in various states of dress, but that's not why I started. This is a bit of a cheat because I didn't know how controversial this drama had been while watching. This was a rare time when I started blind--no Beanie input--and then only found out in retrospect how controversial it had been. And, it turns out that this is one of my absolute favorite dramas, because of all of its flaws. The last scene of this drama is in the gallery though. I refuse to accept or remember the final "epilogue" scene on the street. Blech.
As a rule, I despise investing time in a drama to have the ending be totally crappy, and I trust Beanies implicitly to tell me how well/satisfying things turn out, so much so I often look at that first. However (하지만), I've been live-watching so much these days that I sometimes feel like I'm flying without my Bean-chute. HeartBeat, mentioned in the prompt, is an excellent example of this peril. I hear from a number of Beanies that it is actually easier (not easy, but easiER) to watch to the end, knowing what's coming. I'm sad just remembering it...both how it concluded (as one of the Heartbeat Hottest said staring at a blank screen after waiting for a post-credits scene to show up and save the day or something, "Well, I guess that's that then?") but also how upset we all ended up.
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Goyangi
September 10, 2023 at 11:50 AM
Bean-chute! Excellent description. 😄
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bong-soo
September 10, 2023 at 3:43 PM
Re JTBC’s NEVERTHELESS (2021) (Netflix). Truthfully I forgot about the controversies (19+ rating for some episodes and off screen behavior of a cast member). I just remember thinking it was not a good fit for Song Kang after his wonderful performance in tvN’s NAVILLERA (2021) (Netflix). I may have been proven right on that. Who knows. The ratings were fairly awful. In the past I have been wrong about actors’ drama picks. They usually know what they are doing.
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Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 4:00 PM
Since I pay literally no attention to the news about actors’ lives, I only barely knew from the DB comments about that particular cast member’s issues—and I don’t even remember the details. Nor do I care. As for the 19+ stuff…definitely worth it.
Where I’m going to lose you, though, is that I really didn’t enjoy Navillera, although not because of Song Kang’s performance. I found it maudlin. So…I bet we should probably just agree that you can have Navillera and I can have Nevertheless (which I’ll happily share with @minniegupta1) and we can both just leave Forecasting Love and Weather to the dogs 😉
Deal?
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bong-soo
September 10, 2023 at 4:47 PM
Deal with one stipulation. (In kdrama deals there is always one condition right?) In FL&W Song Kang handled the annoying, know-it-all young meteorologist part of his role well. The romance in FL&W didn’t work (or appeal) to me so in that sense the drama was a failure.
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Minnie
September 11, 2023 at 5:51 AM
Agree with @attiton Navillera started with so much promise, but it ended up being so grey that I could not sustain it. Song Kang is beautiful in it but....it's too much of too much sadness.
Forecasting put me off big time. Thankfully it was not my Park Min Young's first drama else I would have never watched anything of her again and would have missed out on Secretary Kim (which I loved despite not being a fan of either Seo Joon).
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Minnie
September 10, 2023 at 4:35 PM
I absolutely loved Nevertheless.
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john
September 10, 2023 at 4:00 PM
Nevertheless
I recall watching some episodes, but don’t recall finishing, so I probably didn’t. 😂
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Minnie
September 11, 2023 at 6:11 AM
@attiton Honest confession, I started Nevertheless because I heard it has ahem! adult content and wanted to see how much adulting a K-drama can actually do. Turns out, it's almost Catholic when compared to some of the Western, Japanese and Indian content found on the web. However, they know how to do it right. And that was the usp for Nevertheless. And when the audience starts realsing how bad Song Kang's character has it, it's Chef's kiss. One of the very few non PHS dramas I have watched it more than once.
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3 IsaGC
September 10, 2023 at 6:06 AM
I plan to watch Heartbeat, regardless of the bad impression I know it left 😅
Will I regret it? I don't know. I always can drop it if I don't like it.
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Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 6:39 AM
See, the problem with HeartBeat is that it goes fine for almost the whole time…it’s only with literally minutes to go that it veers off course. You might not know to drop until it is too late and you’re totally invested, as @missvictrix gestures towards in the write-up above.
But as I noted in my main comment here, I hear that if you know this is going to happen, the conclusion isn’t as heart-breaking as it was when we were all surprised to tears.
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Minnie
September 10, 2023 at 4:38 PM
@attiton I could not have said it better.
I just cannot get over the cuteness of our in-house vampire and I am hoping he somehow makes his way back to where he belongs...<3
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sonai
September 10, 2023 at 9:00 AM
On the same boat with HEARTBEAT: once it becomes available in my region, I will watch it despite the frustration about the ending, that I picked up on the sidelines here. It still looks like something I will enjoy watching immensely. (I did NOT spoiler myself though! I was happy it was easy to stay away from anything giving too much information here on DB, thank you! 👏)
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john
September 10, 2023 at 4:17 PM
Do you like vampires 🧛?
The C drama Lost You Forever has a demon that is vampire like in that he drinks the FL’s blood. 😳🩸❤️
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IsaGC
September 11, 2023 at 7:05 AM
I'm not a fan of vampires, to be honest 😅
Btw, I have recently finished a C-drama called Butterflied lover which depicts some kind of vampires too.
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Minnie
September 11, 2023 at 6:18 AM
A tip: Don't watch the last episode and make up your own ending.
Feels like a century back, but I have this anecdote. Watched Gladiator in a pirated version which did not have the end scene. It ended when Maximus kills Commodus.
For years and years it stayed our favourite movie, until we decided to rewatch it with kids.
I cannot even begin to explain the disappointment the movie became. I realized sometimes making our own ending is so much beter tee-hee! Heartbeat squarely falls into that category. I will rewatch it and make up my own ending lol!
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IsaGC
September 11, 2023 at 7:08 AM
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Minnie
September 11, 2023 at 7:14 AM
I think we would have loved it regardless (we still do) but it had stayed with us for over a decade and to learn it was all an illusion - oh! the heartbreak - no words.
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IsaGC
September 11, 2023 at 7:18 AM
I deleted my comment because of a typo. I copy it again 😅
Wow, I can't imagine what you felt watching the real ending of Gladiator. On the other hand... It's an iconic and famous ending.
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Alaskan
September 14, 2023 at 12:44 PM
You might not regret it. A love story can be a good love story even if it doesn't have a fairy tale ending. Some of the best, most poignant and meaningful romances end sadly. In fact, one of my biggest criticism of KDrama romcoms is the way too many of them contrive "happy endings" regardless of logic or common sense.
I remember all of the complaints about Mr. Queen but it is one of my favorite dramas, not least because it ended on its own terms without bowing to those who absolutely must have the leads end up together in order for it to be deemed a good drama.
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4 Healer’s
September 10, 2023 at 6:17 AM
I’ve experienced this quite a lot, as I always tend to try to watch all works by an actor that I like. But I also have to admit that those experiences were most of the time just halfway through, as when it came to the point a show became unwatchable, I dropped it.
A show that wasn’t well received that I watched anyway and ended up loving it:
WHERE STARS LAND — This show even made my fav list.
A show I knew about the warnings but couldn’t stop myself from watching and ended up not liking it:
ENTOURAGE
Shows I knew were universally disliked but I tried anyway and dropped halfway:
TEMPTED
FASHION KING
SECRET DOOR
GODDESS OF FIRE
ABYSS
Although I dropped FASHION KING recently, I survived the recaps throughout 20 episodes lol. I knew the recaps on DB were discontinued after the first 2 eps, so I had to read elsewhere. Hats off to the devotion of that recapper 😅 FK might fall in the category “it’s so bad, it’s good”, so I had the feeling that I would find reading the recaps entertaining, and I wasn’t wrong lol.
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Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 6:22 AM
I have not even HEARD of most of these dramas!!! I guess I must not be a Real Beanie™. I’m never gonna watch any of them now though because you’ve warned me against them directly, @claire2009 🤣
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Healer’s
September 10, 2023 at 6:35 AM
My “problem” is that I always look up the filmography of an actor I like and try to watch as many as I can 😅
So the shows mention aboved are related to those actors:
Lee Je Hoon — Where stars land, Fashion King, Secret Door.
Seo Kang Joon — Entourage
Woo Do Hwan — Tempted
Lee Sang Yoon — Goddess of Fire
Park Bo Young — Abyss
You won’t miss a thing if you skip those 😂 @attiton
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kiara
September 10, 2023 at 6:55 AM
"Entourage" was the biggest waste of great actors and cameos from the best of Cjungmuro; director Park Chan-wook and Lee Joon-ik, actors Ha Jung-woo, Kim Taeri, Lee Sung-min, and many more.
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Goyangi
September 10, 2023 at 12:05 PM
I do the same thing; if I like an actor's performance I look for their other works. I thankfully did not watch Fashion King after reading warnings, though I love Yoo Ah In. I skimmed Tempted, hated it, found it after Kim Min Jae in So You Like Brahms. I have found a few great shows with Park Eun Bin though! Another that was a major disappointment was Hwarang, I watched for Wooga. I've found some awesome shows following actors too but the bad ones are always that much more disappointing for the waste of talent!!
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Healer’s
September 10, 2023 at 9:30 PM
I dropped Hwarang too. Hwarang and Secret Door are 2 shows with great cast and less than mediocre scripts.
Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 12:52 PM
I've also tried to watch other shows by actors whose work I loved. I won't name names here, but I discovered that some really talented actors are really, really bad at choosing their projects.
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Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 1:21 PM
Oh, I’ll name names…and I’m looking at YOU Ji Chang-wook.
Britney
September 10, 2023 at 8:00 AM
I've considered watching Entourage cause I'm curious why it didn't work but I don't care enough to remember or search for it.
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OAsia
September 11, 2023 at 5:11 AM
"Entourage" is a good drama, but all the characters, absolutely everyone, are g******. There is literally no character to like or root for. Moreover, the drama is like a fragment of the characters' lives and it is difficult to say that it has any ending. But I have never seen such a good, reality-based portrayal of the entertainment industry among Korean series. Human greed, hypocrisy, pettiness, jealousy, stupidity, selfishness, moral decline are shown in this drama as if you were literally watching all the dirty scandals that often come to light. If you don't have a problem watching unpleasant characters, this is a drama you can actually enjoy. I really liked the drama.
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darwi
September 10, 2023 at 1:25 PM
I did not know for Abyss... I stayed for Park Bo Young, but I regret it now.
I liked Where stars land. It is not the worse offending separation that I've seen. Since I saw the warnings, I was expecting much worse.
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Healer’s
September 10, 2023 at 9:35 PM
Me too re Where Stars Land. I was pleasantly surprised that I loved a lot of things about that show until the very end.
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OAsia
September 11, 2023 at 5:16 AM
Abbys was so bad that after episode 1 I regretted that one hour of my time. I don't remember ever being so disappointed by a drama, and I've seen hundreds of them.
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darwi
September 11, 2023 at 6:42 AM
I remember it as very bad, but I see that it's not the worse in my list... this distinction is Romance is a bonus book, with Melting me softly quite close.
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Athena
September 12, 2023 at 2:53 PM
Abyss was so bad I couldn't finish it and I somehow finished Bride of Habaeck and The Real Has Come (my god why?!)
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kmoon
September 17, 2023 at 9:10 AM
oh my goodness, "abyss" was one of the first kdramas i saw and that is one i should have dropped instantly. LOL that was truly abysmal. wtf was that? i don't know why i saw it ALL THE WAY.
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5 Linarrick
September 10, 2023 at 6:18 AM
DP season 2, I figured it won’t be as good as season 1 and the reviews are lukewarm at best. Still I’ll watch it for the characters and the actors. Plus it’s short.
I’m also inclined to believe beanies this year with so many disappointing dramas.
That said, I usually live watch (been struggling with that recently tho), so when a drama is ‘universally panned’, whether I agree or not, it doesn’t really matter as I’ve already seen it. And I usually tap out of the recaps or comment sections if I’m liking a drama but the general consensus doesn’t agree.
Examples of dramas I’ve liked that didn’t receive good reviews:
Lovestruck In The City
Record Of Youth
Where The Stars Land (I agree the ending wasn’t good from what I remember)
Tomorrow With You
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Healer’s
September 10, 2023 at 6:54 AM
I live-watched LOVE STRUCK so there were no warnings available. But knowing it’s one that has Ji Chang Wook, I would have watched it at some point anyway if I hadn’t watched it live.
I love the last two shows on your list. TWY wasn’t universally disliked though, many people didn’t like it but a lot did.
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Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 1:38 PM
Like you, I'll probably watch season 2 of D.P. I was really looking forward to the second season of The Uncanny Counter, but from what I've been reading on DB, I think I'd better skip it. So disappointed!
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Kas61
September 10, 2023 at 4:11 PM
I've just watched Lovestruck in the City again, and I pretty much like it too. Not all of it but a lot of it. I think the performances are good and it gets a lot of things about relationships right, whether or not these are "healthy" behaviours. There's one scene that just knocks it out of the park for me, it's so lovely to watch: JCW is in the depths of his miserable depression and has finished another vigil at the stepping stones and is proceeding to drink himself stupid, again. Unbeknownst to him, Kim Ji-won has been watching him, and when he passes out, she comes and sits at the table with him. He comes to, and thinks his alcoholic misery is making him see things, but they proceed to have the most touching, honest and vulnerable conversation, that makes me want to weep. I'm glad that scene is there, and I can go back and watch it any time I like.
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missjb
September 10, 2023 at 4:31 PM
I experience drama so many hate i love it as well. like it's just thrre is something it's just click woth ypu despite the drama being bad. For example is cheese in the trap.
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OAsia
September 11, 2023 at 5:21 AM
I have watched all the episodes of "Record Of Youth" but I hate this drama. I hated the characters. I liked "Tomorrow With You" and it had an interesting plot concept. I quit "Lovestruck In The City" after a few episodes, I didn't care about the fate of the characters.
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6 HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 6:22 AM
The only drama I can think of in this category is Forest. I had seen a lot of dislike for the drama, but I watched it anyway, because I like Park Hae Jin. Was it a masterpiece? Absolutely not. But it definitely wasn't as bad as it was made out to be, and it was a cracky, FUN watch. Is it on my list of top-thirty favorite dramas? Nope! But I'm still glad I watched it.
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Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 7:01 AM
I’m sitting here chuckling about the fact that you have a list of your “top 30 dramas.” That’s a fun number. It both suggests how long the list of your total number of dramas is (far, far above 30), and also the relatively large number of favorites you can comfortably keep in your head. I’m right there with you on both counts, fellow traveler. 😘
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HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 7:07 AM
Haha thank you Seon-ha! 😊❤️ There's definitely a sliding scale of affection, impact, and quality within those thirty! I also love making lists, though, so that also impacts my drama classification system 😆
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 7:34 AM
I have to have a top 50 as the ones in the top ten change but once demoted I still see the drama as exceptional in the key areas that matter to me feel good factor or interesting story. So I almost feel I need categories of top tens. As there are so many variations on these themes I can not chuck out those that served me well. Some of the pandemic classics for example can’t be watched again and may not work as recommendations now but the joy they brought at that time can not be forgotten.
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Seon-ha
September 10, 2023 at 7:38 AM
@missvictrix Can we have another post sometime about these “pandemic classics?” Especially if there’s consensus that some of them were important at the time, but didn’t hold up… I don’t want to derail this thread, but I am so, so interested in this topic. @reply1988, you’re the best.
Also, when folks ask me for k-drama recommendations, I always first respond, “Well, in what category?? :)” They usually just walk away.
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 7:51 AM
‘They usually just walk away’ 👈🏾😆 this is the usual reaction when I am trying to describe any k drama. You are much further down the road if people come for recommendations!
I think that is a great idea for a post, I wonder if it is too narrow to have it as a pandemic specific focus or if it could be widened to dramas that were good but are difficult to recommend now due to changes in society attitudes or their content.
Girls’ generation 1979 was made in 2017 and is great but there needs to be a trigger warning as the level of sexism portrayed across all aspects of society is literally, jaw dropping.
Flightey Gazelles
September 10, 2023 at 8:55 AM
“Also, when folks ask me for k-drama recommendations, I always first respond, “Well, in what category?? :)”
This is so me!🤣😂 I go cray-cray when I start talking about Kdrama recommendations
Linarrick
September 10, 2023 at 1:36 PM
Pandemic classic for me was KING: ETERNAL MONARCH. I genuinely thought I’d like KING THE LAND because I liked the former drama. However, considering the pandemic and the lockdowns and wanting something shiny and distracting, KING: ETERNAL MONARCH fit the bill. I thought it was so bad it was good, tho I’m not sure if I’d like it now. It felt like a hyper-real fever dream
There was so much plot, so much nonsensical plot, which essentially meant it had no plot at all. The only saving grace as @dncingemma mentioned was Woo do-hwan. And while I definitely can’t have anything deep fried anymore, the fried chicken PPL was superior in KING: ETERNAL MONARCH imo
HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 7:39 AM
I love your system, Reply1988!! It's good to have a way to "keep" dramas in the list for how they made you feel, even after they get demoted. I also have themed categories outside of my "standard" top 30 😁
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Storyenthusiast
September 10, 2023 at 8:33 AM
Forest will never be mistaken for a masterpiece, but overall I enjoyed it. And that heartbeat kiss!!
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HopefulRomantic 🦋 Tigermoth
September 10, 2023 at 8:55 AM
Ohh, that was a good one 👍
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7 OAsia
September 10, 2023 at 6:30 AM
Heartbeat is a good drama almost until the end. The finale is disappointing in the sense of not being clear about what it actually means. I decided not to analyze the finale, not to accept any theory, so I basically ignored the finale. This way, this drama has a chance to be remembered fondly by me.
I prefer unequivocally bad endings to undefined ones. Many people warn against watching "“The Smile Has Left Your Eyes". I knew the ending before I started watching the drama and it still became one of my favorites. The most important thing was that the finale actually made sense. This year's drama "The Interest of Love" disappointed many people, but it is another drama whose ending makes sense in my opinion. Therefore, I think that it is not important whether the ending is good or bad, but whether the viewer feels that the plot of the drama has prepared the viewer for the finale. If a story gives false hopes in order to crush the viewer with "realism" at the end, it is not a good drama.
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 7:07 AM
‘ Therefore, I think that it is not important whether the ending is good or bad, but whether the viewer feels that the plot of the drama has prepared the viewer for the finale. If a story gives false hopes in order to crush the viewer with "realism" at the end, it is not a good drama’ 👈🏾 I think this is a good distinction as often sad endings are not what people expect in some types of dramas but they make sense in the story.
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Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 1:22 PM
The Smile Has Left Your Eyes is among my favorites. (I don't keep lists, but I'd say it's definitely in my top-20.) I only wish they hadn't blunted the impact of the ending by diverging from the original version, the JDrama Sora Kara Furu Ichioku no Hoshi. It was the ending that I was expecting. Because of the change, the detective's determination to keep his sister away from the ML didn't seem very rational. If you're going to go tragic, you might as well go all the way.
I really dislike it when a drama is given a happy ending—probably as fan service—when the couple clearly don't belong together, or when the plot up until then was leading toward an unresolved or unhappy ending. I just finished watching Human Disqualification, hoping the main couple would go their separate ways after changing each other's lives for the better. I was a bit disappointed in the show for playing it safe with an ambiguous ending.
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john
September 10, 2023 at 1:55 PM
I have to agree on the plot change for The Smile Has Left Your Eyes it changed the whole dynamic ! 🤔
Like a fool, I watched anyways, for Jung So-min🥰, plus Seo In-gukand Park Sung-woong
I love crime stories where the cop is as damaged as the criminals.
Kanzo the Cop was bat 🦇 💩 crazy, partly due to “the secret” . When they changed that key point of the drama, it fell apart. Why tackle a show like this only to change the plot !?! 😞
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Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 2:10 PM
I was so taken with the performances and the story—up until they revealed the (not) forbidden relationship between the leads—that the show still ranks among my favorites. I just pretend as I'm watching that the secret is the original one!
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Flightey Gazelles
October 2, 2023 at 12:59 PM
“Therefore, I think that it is not important whether the ending is good or bad, but whether the viewer feels that the plot of the drama has prepared the viewer for the finale. If a story gives false hopes in order to crush the viewer with "realism" at the end, it is not a good drama.”
I’m looking at you, BTLIOF, with all the vagaries for the sake of some sort of surprise or...whatever the writer intended. I think beanies did a better job of giving sensible motivations for the ending than the drama attempts to.
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8 StacyA
September 10, 2023 at 6:32 AM
The two dramas that come to mind for me are Doom at Your Service and King Eternal Monarch. I'm sure there were others from previous years, but those are the only two I can think of at the moment.
Both dramas were criticized heavily on DB, but I was intrigued enough about the premise and liked the actors enough that I went ahead anyway. I enjoyed Doom until the last episode when their reunion was more like two casual friends than two people in love. As for King, I read the recaps as I watched but the things complained about in the recaps and comments didn't bother me at all. I enjoyed the drama from start to finish.
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Unaspirated
September 10, 2023 at 1:03 PM
Oh, these are good ones. I haven’t watched either but I think I would watch both. DAYS because I know people who actually did like it and it sort of seems like I would too, and KEM because it looks like such cracky fun (and people talk about it so often) that I just get curious.
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Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 1:26 PM
Unfortunately, I watched King before I discovered Dramabeans. My only consolation was discovering Woo Do-Hwan. But I probably would have watched it anyway, just for his hilarious double-role performance!
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darwi
September 10, 2023 at 1:37 PM
I'm part of those who liked Doom at your service but I agree that their reunion lacked chemistry. Several times they were physically distant (but not all the time), not what I consider a couple in love, so it was not totally out of characters.
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9 Soyesterday
September 10, 2023 at 6:32 AM
Forecasting Love and Weather (2022), and Love in Contract (2022).
Look, i love PMY, shes not the greatest actress but with the right role she always delivers even when the drama itself isnt that great, i enjoyed her previous roles and decided to ignore the bad reviews on both of these.... but man both of these dramas were awful.
Not "good" awful either but just plain bad!!!
Conversely i am probably the only person on here who actually liked Thirty-Nine (2022) despite it being hated by every online corner of Asian dramaland
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bbstl 🧹
September 10, 2023 at 9:07 AM
I liked Thirty Nine *high five*. Had no expectations going in and accepted it for what it was, and it gave me many thoughts and feels about female friendships in my life.
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Unaspirated
September 10, 2023 at 1:05 PM
Same. I think that expectations were the enemy of enjoyment (basically always but) especially in this case. Didn’t blow me away, but I enjoyed the watch.
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Babylilo
September 10, 2023 at 1:32 PM
"expectations...the enemy of enjoyment." Love it!
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Ruhi
September 10, 2023 at 2:27 PM
Add me to the list of people who liked Thirty Nine. I binge watched it after reading the reviews that it is terrible, found it ok.
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10 pamkay
September 10, 2023 at 6:36 AM
I wish I had been warned about the most ridiculous ending of all my drama watching that has to be Sang Doo Let's Go to School. If you haven't seen it yet be prepared!
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 6:47 AM
I just read the write up on the storyline and it sounds like of its time (2003) so I wonder if we could watch it past the first episode twenty years later.
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11 Gikata
September 10, 2023 at 6:37 AM
Only do that for my faves. And even then I often have to admit afterwards it was not worth it))) HWARANG comes to mind - I did not watch it ongoing, I wasn't PHS's "warrior" yet back then, but once I became, I binged it with open eyes, knowing fully well from comments EVERYWHERE it's gonna be huge mess... turns out it was much worse than I've heard lol. But he did not disappoint, as expected, so I survived that torture on FF and patted myself on the back for my efforts. That's more or less how it always goes in such cases, I really can't remember a situation when I was warned repeatedly to NOT watch a drama, did so anyway and liked it against all odds. Guess my research skills hardly fail me in terms of completed shows *shrugs* Ongoings going south unexpectedly is more than enough already, no?
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Unaspirated
September 10, 2023 at 12:45 PM
Hwarang is the only drama that I have been sufficiently warned against that still tempts me. The pull of Park Hyung-sik and Park Seo-jun in the same drama is strong and I don’t know if I am stronger.
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 1:16 PM
‘The pull of Park Hyung-sik and Park Seo-jun in the same drama is strong and I don’t know if I am stronger’ 👈🏾 This is the exact sentiment that led to this post as we have no excuse to ignore the warning but like the power of the Borg collective ‘resistance is futile’
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Koalatown
September 12, 2023 at 12:04 PM
I would say fast forward any scenes with the main OTP alone. The level of cringe worthy crying/frowning/whining and very odd sister/brother yet not interaction. You won't miss any of the storyline really. The interactions of the boys, PHS and GA, or nearly anyone else is fine (even the teacher doing his nose picking was better).
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Gikata
September 10, 2023 at 4:26 PM
I'm gonna get blasted for this, probably, but it's not worth to watch even on FF for PSJ - he's not cut for sageuks by any means and it's painfully evident there. His character arc was both flat and ridiculous, he had negative chemistry with FL and boy just looked awkward most of the time. The only saving grace would be bromance between male cast, but even that left me cold due to exceptionally disastrous writing. Now PHS fared significantly better despite writer's best efforts, esp during the first half, but in the end he as well was reduced to a prop. His cut IS watchable on extreme FF if you can stomach the fact that his storyline becomes collateral damage to main leads' "epic journey of adventure and romance" *rolls eyes* Boys are pretty though. And second couple were cute. That's it.
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Qingdao
September 10, 2023 at 7:11 PM
I succumbed to the temptation and found it wasn't as bad as I expected. PSJ's hair constantly changed so now I'm really curious what his style will be in the movie "The Marvels" coming out in November 2023.
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Gikata
September 10, 2023 at 8:38 PM
Terrible, if trailer is any indication.
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Minnie
September 11, 2023 at 6:54 AM
Agree. Absolute cringe. That wig? And he ball dances??!! Can Hollywood ever respect Asian actors?!
Minnie
September 11, 2023 at 6:32 AM
@gikata I am too young in the K-drama world to be able to watch a drama I have been warned against - I have hard time trying to fit in the dramas that have been highly recommended, but I am guilty of rewatching rewatching!!! Hwarang, against my own warning. Of course, when you FF some of Seo Joon scenes, most of Go-Ara scenes and all of Seo-Joon & Go-Ara combo scenes, the series becomes eminently watchable. Go figure.
The only one I tried watching agaisnt warning was The Island, and man, got burned. Never again! Cha Eun Woo will remain on my 'no flying list' until eternity perhaps.
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Seon-ha
September 11, 2023 at 8:40 AM
Well, you have a test of your resolve coming up @minniegupta1 ! You gonna try A Good Day to Be a Dog????
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Minnie
September 11, 2023 at 10:02 AM
Luckily I have two dogs and I firmly believe in that adage without subjecting myself to vacant eyes of Cha Eun Woo. In fact all days are good days to be a dog.
I might make an exception if Cha Eun Woo spends the entire length of the series in the body of an adorable furbaby?
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vienibenmio
September 11, 2023 at 10:20 AM
He does not, but I'd strongly recommend watching the drama anyway. Or, better yet, read the webcomic!
Gikata
September 11, 2023 at 12:20 PM
Was I among those people who convinced you to try ISLAND? I'm sorry then, perhaps my tolerance for "green" idol acting is higher than most people's due to my years of kdrama experience where I sometimes feel like I've seen it all already...
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Minnie
September 12, 2023 at 1:16 PM
LOL! Not. I am now a bit on the fence after reading your and @vienibenmio comments - should I take it back up (and just plow through the parts I don't like?)
On second thoughts I still am sitting on seven dramas I desperately want to finish......
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vienibenmio
September 12, 2023 at 2:24 PM
I do really think that this drama is worth giving Cha Eun-woo another shot. I mean, assuming that it's faithful to the drama, it's just a really great, fluffy (but also angsty enough to keep it interesting) romcom that also has some very cute dogs in it. Plus, at one episode per week it will hopefully be easy to fit in!
vienibenmio
September 12, 2023 at 2:25 PM
Ughh I meant faithful to the COMIC
Gikata
September 12, 2023 at 5:17 PM
If we're still talking about ISLAND, it's not worth it - terrible waste of everyone involved, I'd really like to have some TALK *bloodthirsty grin* with the person that lured KNG into this mess with clearly false promises. Skip it with an easy heart. Maybe just try some fanmades on YT, they're often better than show itself.
Goyangi
September 11, 2023 at 1:30 PM
🤣🤣 That's like saying you watched maybe 20% of the drama! If I ever felt the need to rewatch this one I would FF ALL scenes with Go Ara. And I agree with you about Cha Eun Woo, perhaps he sings better?
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Minnie
September 11, 2023 at 4:51 PM
@goyangi hehehe! I said most for a reason - her scenes with PHS are actually quite great. This is where I realized he could have chemistry with a goat, or a cow, or a rock....in the scene he follows her around, he looks so damn good that you actually stop caring whohe is following or why...though when he says "I want to kill the person who made you cry," even he sounds unconvincing because she is always crying LOL!
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Goyangi
September 11, 2023 at 10:31 PM
Haha! Oh yes she wins the award for the most annoying character/acting . (Or perhaps ties with the actor who played Jang Ok Jung!) Cry, scowl, and pout were her only three facial expressions. PHS is very good looking though, that is true!
Minnie
September 12, 2023 at 1:06 PM
@goyangi I am sure I have said this before somewhere, but in all honesty, PHS's looks didn't impress me at first (it was my first PHS series), I watched it for Seo Joon (on a recommendation) and it was Choi Mon Ho who I thought was the best eye candy.....I remember getting a bit annoyed at PHS' constant stalkerish behaviour; then as the series started unravelling, this young King just would not leave my mind.
I remember my husband being so upset at Go-Ara's character. He was like, the king saved himself from a noose.
Flightey Gazelles
October 2, 2023 at 1:08 PM
Lmaoooooo!!
12 john
September 10, 2023 at 6:41 AM
For me it would be K drama remakes of J dramas.
They are not all hopeless trash, just the majority of them.
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 6:51 AM
I see that with Sleepeeer hit where the general story was better portrayed in the J drama and in the K drama they added some nice touches but also a lot of unnecessary that killed it off.
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john
September 10, 2023 at 7:29 AM
Remakes that were well done are
Mother Screenwriter Sakamoto Yuji‘s gem 💎 *
Stayed pretty close to original, wonderful K cast
He Who Can't Marry Jin Hee and Kin So Eun
Queen’s Classroom Ko Hyun-Jung.
The J drama was much darker, with a gothic school mistress .
* Check out some of his other dramas
Woman (2013) Mitsushima Hikari, Tanaka Yuuko Surprised there is not a K remake for this.
Saikou no Rikon (2013) Eita, Ono Machiko
Which has a K remake
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Reply1988 - Mother Bean (DB Wooga squad)
September 10, 2023 at 7:39 AM
Queens classroom I need to finish it disappeared for a while but has appeared again. I had to miss out on a couple of episodes as it was just too harsh but wanted to watch the last two. I was glad to see the leadership and strength in the children but it was hard to watch the horrific mind games she was playing to bring the key social and emotional skills they need to survive the adult world. There are many ways to learn skills and this was The good bad mother on speed. That drama had cute and funny reprieves at times this one did not.
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john
September 10, 2023 at 7:55 AM
Don’t watch the J version, lol 😂
Amani Yuki is scary as sensei
Shida Mirai shines as the student