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Open Thread #851

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Choi Kang Hee shared on MBC "I haven't been acting since three years ago. I told my family I wanted to stop, and my family agreed. They told me I can do what I want to do. I changed my phone number and told my manager to stop receiving any scripts and screenplays to look over."

She confessed, "I wasn't happy. I worked for 25 years. But I wondered 'What am I good at' so I tried out various things. My life's motto is 'Those who don't work, don't eat,' So I had to do something." Choi continued: "I was curious about what else I could do other than being an actress. So I went to school to be a broadcast writer and learned to edit. I even worked a part-time job at a restaurant, washing dishes." She revealed that she is currently working as a house cleaner for other celebrities and elaborated, "I'm a house cleaner tailored for celebrities. I currently clean their house while keeping strict security measures.”

She was a successful lead actress. Her last three projects were:
Hello, Me! | Annyeong? Naya! (KBS2 / 2021) - Ban Ha-Ni
Good Casting (SBS / 2020) - Baek Chan-Mi
Queen of Mystery 2 | Chooriui Yeowang 2 (KBS2 / 2018) - Yoo Seol-Ok
Queen of Mystery | Chooriui Yeowang (KBS2 / 2017) - Yoo Seol-Ok

She also discussed her life changes on the Weracle Taxi YouTube channel. She said that happiness is short. She has no regrets about her past or present.

This is an example of how little we as viewers know about how actors and actresses really feel about their work and celebrity status.

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Oh! As soon as you wrote Good Casting and Hello Me!, I knew who you were talking about.

Hmm, I did wonder what former/retired actors/celebrities did with themselves but I would've NEVER pegged going into housekeeping.

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Good for her. I wonder how much her post-acting choices and jobs were influenced by needing money and how much by needing to work for happiness, self-esteem, and mental health. And I wonder how many of her jobs were something she indeed chose, and not just the only thing she could find. It's heartening to hear a not-young woman talking about deliberately jumping out of the pressure cooker, but there's always the reality that over-40 female actors get typecast if they get cast at all.

About housekeeping - am I the only one who immediately thought of the salty-soup sasaeng housekeeper from Sh**ting Stars? The one who is secretly a wealthy socialite and who gets a job cleaning the ML's house to stalk him? Choi Kang-hee would be the opposite of that! I can see why celebrities would trust someone like her, who is familiar with celebrity culture and privacy threats.

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She cut and dyed her hair so most people do not recognize her. She said that she was unhappy with acting so she wanted to know if she could do anything else. She chose those jobs, many part time jobs, to experience different kinds of work.

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just the other day I was thinking how stars and idols who often have night shooting schedule can manage housework and if they got a housekeeper then who. I know that for Taemin he only lets his mom in the apartment and he probably would never trust a stranger to take care of the cats even if they were trustworthy, so...
I did like CKH dramas but I am glad she isnt just dwelling in something she doesnt enjoy. taking charge of your own choices is more important than being a star

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No way!! I loved Queen of Mystery. Good for her for switching career paths - always difficult. And for being so forthcoming about where she's at now!

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I wondered about her. I applaud her for having the courage to change industry and try new things/work. Her family is amazing for supporting her to do what would make her happy.

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Thanks for pointing me to episode 282 of Omniscient Interfering View. I enjoyed watching this one because of the interesting guests. Depending on who the guests are and what they do in their segments, the show can be either a hit or miss for me. Sometimes it can be so uninspiring.

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British actor Daniel-Day Lewis took several multi-year hiatuses, without committing to return. (During these breaks, he took up woodworking and actually moved to Italy to become an apprentice shoemaker.) In 2017, he announced his official retirement, saying, "...there's something of the responsibility of the artist that hung over me. I need to believe in the value of what I'm doing. The work can seem vital, irresistible, even. And if an audience believes it, that should be good enough for me. But, lately, it isn't."

I sincerely hope he is able to rediscover his belief in the work. He's too great an artist to let his talents lie idle!

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https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/02/lee-young-ae-to-host-her-first-talk-show-eyeing-shohei-ohtani-as-first-guest

During the events after Maestra and before she returned her role as Dae Jang Geum in upcoming K-drama, Lee Young-ae considered to do her own first talkshow with her first guest was Japanese baseball player from MLB/Major League Baseball, Shonei Ohtani.

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Thanks for sharing, although, iSt seems as if the return of A Jewel in the Palace may not happen.

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Oh? Did something happen?

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Happy Lunar Chinese New Year, Beanies!

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Gong Xi Fa Cai to all Beanies who celebrate the Lunar New Year!

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Xin Nian Kuai Le!

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Saehaebok mani badeuseyo!

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what animal is it again now?

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The Year of the Dragon.

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Weather - cold early mornings and above avg. hot afternoons. It's February. that's not how your cold season be but good good as i remain in the game - just 10 more days to go - then its early spring and then you have spring weeks under control of summer.

slight rain - reduced moisture and so clear skies - clear days and no white cloud around - white cloud this time was quite powerful.

Summer gonna play with everyone this time around. expecting good powerful monsoon this late summer.

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Change - yeah yeah - i always say and it is 2024 and situation is almost the same - survived cold season. 10-15 more days to go and then buckle for summer.
I did brought few changes and then other things came too - troubles abound.

Need energy so dairy is up - so no vegan as per 2024 January.
started to see stock market daily and wow missed a few big jackpots - time to see forex market too.

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Elections - too much entertainment going on. 1goes and sides with donut, other is trying to get some votes by accepting while smartly not acknowledging that side. total fun. morning 1st good thing to do is watch news.

Pak - as expected - comedy is going on. Army ruined its reputation - its image and can't control things, lost respect and made a hero out of another idiot who doesn't deserve to be so high. same as zelo boy. Neta boy in trouble but erdo boy going strong with moody boy. moody boy can teach so many lows to these guys to keep power in your hands. Then, this job is efficiently done by mark of facebook itself.

banana republics all around. enjoy the circus.

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almost forgot this.
not such funny stories maybe today main focus has been on Ukraine and the pink glasses of those botox faced republicans. like what is wrong with these people do they think our warnings are based on fairy tale? do they think we are making those things up?
the world is probably going to just dumbfoundedly watch another country being attacked. everyone lost their marbles, like seriously. I am already prepared that something will happen, might be in 3 years, might be this spring.
but sure, let a propagandist fly back and forth

it all starts when people stop reading books and swallow any piece of nonsense on the internet. and the next step is burning the books that they dont like.

not really in the mood for jokes right now because I am mad at how dumb and naive people can be.
Ignorance is the main criminal in all things. I would also say lack of appreciaciton for the diversity of the world but that diversity includes way too many rigid, nazi, agressive regimes and people who are way too easy to manipulate.

also the Bloated Donut from North Korea threatened to occupy the South Korea "if he found it useful". They broke all economic ties, closed the border crossing - yep, they are at least preparing for something.

but its not beanies fault.
so rant over

I didnt write stuff down, like happenings and jokes bc i was very occupied with my portfolio. there are so many photos on my external hard drive. I didnt realise I had 3800 photos from Morocco

anyway I havent said yes to the exhibition yet, did send portfolio, they liked my idea too - a jacket and a dress to illustrate an old man and his yearning and admiration - not the creepy kind but the professional awe and admiration side, bc he had secret crushes on many outstanding women of the time, poets, diplomats, professors etc. and I think he admired how bold and progressive they were. maybe he also felt he is the generation of yesterday and it humbled him... so like a tattered woolen jacket and a see through dress flying in the air...
I could probably get something finished by august, if it is like 2 things.

also have this semi-ready-made idea of Worry & Joy (bc to me thats the opposite pairing, not sadness and joy, sadness usually stems from some kind of worry.) worry would be a black sloth draping part of the room. joy would be a tiny square you must look for before you see it.

they say lazyness births the best ideas. people invented a lot of things bc they were lazy, not bc they were productive.

Library: a guy wanted books on "American President Clint Eastwood"! I don´t think he even played a president in a movie, there is one where he is (retired?) superagent protecting the president. btw no, they didnt want books on Bill Clinton either. They wanted Clint Eastwood.

someone forgot their phone behing, it wasnt on silent, and kept ringing but it was fingerprint protected, so we got 30 mintues of caribbean kalimba music. it...

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Haha so sorry about the 30 minutes of unexpected music! Did people finally just start dancing?

I think your two potential projects sound so interesting. Very taken with the idea of Joy being so small that it must be actively hunted for.

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in fact they did kinda start vibing with it, they didnt get up but yeah, behind their respective desks

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Just popping in to say I resonate with what's been happening with Ukraine. It's kind of scary to look at the last few years and think back to my history classes and go "oh, no. I reaaaaally hope history doesn't repeat itself. But things aren't looking great."

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not black sloth but a black cloth btw

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Laughing pretty hard now because I am (was?) 100% on board with a giant black Sloth of Worry hiding the tiny golden bit of Joy. I totally pictured it. Did assume the sloth was cloth 😝

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yeah I cannot help picturing it too but also I picture chaos bc the exhibition space would be the artists´actual workspace with jars of pensils, brushes, whole lot of chalk pastel, and then I am imagining a black but very powdered sloth crashing all the jars in slow motion like some Stanley Kubrick movie...

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Ahhhh. Well, be sure to video if it gets that far!

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just noticed part of the text got cut. the phone couldnt be silenced even from side button.
and the part where I wrote that I called my mom yesterday and she was at a party and I heard her say to a coworker "see if that is my daughter, I cannot see cause I am drunk.!"

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Moms are the best 🥰

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Some people have an interest in keeping other people ignorant and confused. Learning a reasonable amount of reasoning, and to know the difference between just making up interesting stories up from what little you know (which is great, if you are writing fan fic or historical fiction - but the common denominator is "fiction") - the difference between that and then actually sorting out what is factual, what is likely, whom to trust at least in general terms, and whom not ... that is part of what going to a proper school and having proper essays to write will teach kids.
I talked to a Brazilian once who told me that a factory nearby for some time had allowed the workers to gather in their building after working hours and have classes with some teacher who either worked there for free or was funded in some way by others. But after some time the factory owners stopped allowing it with some lame official excuse, while privately they had said to a friend of a friend that it caused problems with the workers, i.e. they became demanding and confident, when they felt the firm ground of knowledge and understanding under their feet.
Anyway - sending dramahugs over the ocean.

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Brecht said, in the Song of Insufficiency of Human Endeavour:
"Ja, renn nur nach dem Glück
doch renne nicht zu sehr
Denn alle rennen nach dem Glück ...
Das Glück rennt hinterher!"
("Rennen nach" means to "run after" and could be translated "to chase", but the visual picture of "running after" makes sense here, because):

"You go! Chase Happiness
But don't you run too fast
'cause all of you chase Happiness
But it runs after you"

I spent so much time just writing that that now I am not quite sure what exactly I wanted to say, or why everything reminds me of Brecht today.
Maybe also because K-drama accepts scenarios that are at one time so fantastical and like, with their very loose treatment of "religion" and "gods" can be like impersonations of any ideas you might want to test ... and at the same time, so simple and schematical almost like I believe classical Commedia dell'arte has been - Brecht could have made some crazy K-dramas, serio, if he had been at the right time and place. Maybe.

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Is anyone here going to watch the Super Bowl on Sunday?

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I definitely am, because I want to see if Taylor Swift makes it back from Japan in time to watch her boyfriend play.

Seriously, because my Dad was a football fan, I have seen parts of every super bowl on T.V.--I think that's now 57, although after a certain point I get confused by the roman numeral numbering system The first two I only vaguely remember, but I have vivid memories of the third one. All the early ones I watched on our 12" black and white t.v.

After a while, it became a thing for me to tune into the game to watch at least 10 or 15 minutes of it, to keep my streak alive. Its a t.v. endurance contest, like watching those 150+ episode kdramas.

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I think she'll make it since she owns a private jet.

That's a memory you'll never forget. I'm confused to the point of not caring. Someone thought it was cool, I guess. It's Super Bowl LVIII; who cares what it is?

Part of my family settled in the Bay area for a very long time before I stepped foot in the state. I was shocked that the whole neighborhood was also into football and could easily shut down the whole street to watch their beloved 49ers play. Once I learned how the game is played, I got into it too. My favorite part of every football game is the food and the men in the family or neighbors doing the cooking. 🔥🍔🍹

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I think I heard she sold her private jet because fans were complaining about how it was polluting the environment.

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I saw a graph somewhere - though unsure of source so who knows if it's real but it gave me a laugh - of how google searches for 'how to read roman numerals' spiked every year on Superbowl weekend 😂

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It would be hilarious if they announced it in Roman numerals.
"Welcome to Super Bowl LVIII. It's VI: XXX PT at Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas, Nevada. This is the moment you have been waiting for—Kansas City Chiefs vs the San Francisco XLIX-er. Patrick Mahomes XV vs Brock Purdy XIII...."

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Bit o' Super Bowl numbering trivia: For Super Bowl 50 (or Super Bowl L), the NFL chose to go with "50" instead of "L" for aesthetic reasons. Guess the Roman L didn't have enough gravitas.

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Cool, I didn't know that.

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Taylor Swift won the Super Bowl! YAY! 😂🌸💗

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I get to watch the Puppy and Kitten Bowls, yay! But you couldn’t pay me enough to watch football.

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Even as a sports fan, the continuing overwhelming popularity of the NFL in the U.S. always surprises me. I myself really cooled on U.S. football because of the brain damage issue, but it never really was my favorite spectator sport anyway (I like basketball, a sport that often appears in school kdramas, usually with a focus on the ML playing, rather than the FL--why? Isn't women's basketball a thing in Korea? It should be!)

But in 2023, 93 of the 100 most watched broadcasts in the U.S. were NFL games! These days the T.V. audience is divided--not like my youth, when there were limited options--so football might be the one show that still draws various age and ethnic groups. Gambling is also part of it, I'm sure. Then, all joking aside, I've read that there has been a Taylor Swift effect this fall. I certainly want to get one her NFL jackets that was custom made for her, so I can draw the envious glances of my neighbors when I walk the dog!

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The sense of community this game could create is so fun. I miss my family and the neighbors.

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Me! My father in law is a huge fan, and I enjoy watching with others. We spend most Sundays with either my in-laws or with either my mom or my dad, so I'm happy this Sunday coincides with the in laws

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Nice! It's more fun when someone else is hosting.

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I only have small bowls.

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LOL

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But are they super? That's what matters.

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Not me - it's a good day to go to Costco as everyone will be at home watching the game, so the store will be much less crowded.

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It is really "very" busy today, but there are lots of sales going on. I was full by the time I got out. LOL

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Grazing were you, lol?

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This is what happened when the Super Bowl, Lunar New Year, and Valentine's Day collided at Costco, resulting in samples in every corner. 😂

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Yup, for my sister and I it’s one of our Christmas traditions 😂

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I always thought going to the gym on SSS during the game was great. No one there. No I won’t be watching.
Not a football fan. I did see the old Boston Patriots play once in Fenway Park when I was a kid.

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I live in Boston, had to look it up that the Patriots played at Fenway Park, because at first I thought you had your stadiums wrong.

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I dated myself 🤫.

Kiddingly in the past I mentioned I (now you also) as Bostonians share something with Taecyeon.
Taec spent from the age of 10 to 17 living in the Boston area.

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Gurl, I had decided in my head that you lived in Hamburg.
I was gonna talk to you about São Paulo, and then ... "Oh, it's St. Pauli, it's that part of Hamburg" - but they don't superbowl and costco, do they?

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Haha - I USED to live in St Paul Minnesota and loved St Pauli beer - hence the name.
But now I live in Oregon and Costco is now just a 10 min drive and it's usually so busy on Sundays. But today I'm going over during the SB game.

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i live in São Paulo state :)

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Well that certainly makes sense why you were a little confused. :-)

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I will not be. I really enjoy the snacks that are associated with it, but am not super into American football (rugby though…). I was thinking I might watch something at the other end of the spectrum - perhaps Past Lives, which I still haven’t seen.

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😱 please do yourself a favour and go watch Past lives and let us know your thoughts.

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What did you choose to watch instead?

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9TAILEDVIXEN'S LUNAR NEW YEAR WEEK REPORT:

1. Just got home from the extended family New Year's Reunion Dinner.

I am STUFFED... and have waddled home laden with enough leftovers that ensure that I needn't cook for the next 3 days. My Lemon and Blueberry Cheesecake Bars and Rice Krispie Bars went down a treat with the family.

2. Discovered that a cousin's wife is a huge K-Drama fan and has been for at least 3 years. But she has no idea who Jang Dong-Yoon is. She's gone off to watch LIKE FLOWERS IN SAND now. Pretty sure Baek-Du will steal her heart as he did the hearts of Beanies.

3. No Aerial Yoga classes this week as the studio is closed for the Lunar New Year.

Guess I'll select a YouTube strength-training workout video and get started on that part of my fitness routine.

4. T-Minus 7 weeks to seeing The Rose in concert! I'm just counting down in excitement!

5. This week in Korean Women's News:

(A) South Korea party urges mandatory military service for women

A new conservative political party is looking to tap into discontent among men who say it is unfair that they have to put in 18 months of military service when women are not obliged to serve.

Neither of South Korea's two main parties — the ruling People Power Party of President Yoon Suk-yeol, and the main opposition Democratic Party — has made commitments on women compulsorily serving in the armed forces. And the Defense Ministry this week said it was not drawing up plans to introduce female conscription.

https://www.dw.com/en/south-korea-party-urges-mandatory-military-service-for-women/a-68204041

(B) Blackpink’s Jennie Is The First Solo Korean Woman To Hit Billboard’s Streaming Chart

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2024/02/08/blackpinks-jennie-is-the-first-solo-korean-woman-to-hit-billboards-streaming-chart/?sh=6c91fe1836a0

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I am all for gender equality! Women are just as capable as men, so I don't understand how this discrimination is not bothering more feminists for so many years. 🤣🤣🤣

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Women have been part of the South Korean military forces. They are volunteers. Since the birth rate is declining, SK is thinking about making it mandatory.

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So.. is the idea have babies or join the military? Cause I don't get what the birth rates have to do with joining the military.

And jesus, I can already imagine how much more it would suck for women if they would forced to conscript. It would be the same arguments guys have but with the sexist spin of women losing their feminity, not being as capable, causing friction, etc

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But having babies is not cool anymore, so the media has been brainwashing us, for whatever reasons. So I don't see why women should not be forced also into serving in the militaty to help with the deficit of population. What's keeping them from being forced? They do it already voluntarily.

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No, the number of men is declining so to maintain troop levels SK government is thinking of making military service mandatory for women.

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It seems female conscription and birth rates would be an inverse relationship 😳 The only plus might be that everyone has to serve less time?

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It is not the government, it's a party that is proposing this to make fun of the ultra/extreme feminist voices, to point out the irony of their beliefs and atract young male voters that grew up hearing this hate rhetoric all their lives. The government or any of the big political forces will never even mention it because, well, they are afraid.
I will also let you on a secret, I debated this issue with my friend, the vixen, about two months ago. And I am against the governments forcing people into anything, specially military or wars.

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@zindigo
Of course it is, you are right. But making men stay longer so the women can do whatever ( career, traveling, aerial yoga or whatever) is going to?

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@kodra I was thinking more that women can be pregnant and/or raising children while men are serving in the military, but not vice versa. I'm not saying that's "fair." I'm just considering the practical realities of their plummeting birth rates and the truly problematic issues that will stem from it in the next few decades. Not an easy situation to resolve for sure.

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@kodra Ahh, I wasn't following the full thread with your comments. I agree that the core issue is actually the conscription itself. But I don't feel qualified at all to debate that point.

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I was talking about gender equality. If one gender is forced to whatever, then all genders should be forced also.

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I don't agree.

First, in time of war, the country still needs to work and women are the ones doing it.

Women must already put their professional life on pause when they want a family.

Having the father and the mother leaving will not be very practical for a family.

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If both genders go to war equally, than there will also be men will stay at home to work.

No, not anymore. These days women are told that is misoginistic to expect them to stay at home with the kids. Even in Korea I read about an actor that had to apologize for a similar statement. So no career loss for both genders.

What family? I though that it was a patriarchal thing rooted from the confuscionism era, etc, etc, etc. What happens to the kid and how it is best to grow up, nobody talks nowadays.

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I have no idea what you are trying to say, I will stop there.

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@kurama
Sorry, I was playing the devil's advocate a little too much today. I totaly agree with everything you said here.

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In Denmark, the necessary military positions have been filled out with voluntary people wereoff 25% women, more and more the last ten years, so that these last two years there has been zero involuntary men in the military. (And it's not mandatory for women).
Still, Danish MRAs always bring up this mandatory service as if it was something feminists had brought on men.
But now the government wants to have more people in the military, so now they are talking about making it mandatory for girls.
I feel ambivalent about military duty because I like the thought that military consists of also people who don't like it, you know?
But also, I don't want for anyone to be forced, and if they must, then one gender as much or as little as the other ... except that as it is, women in the military are in a bad bad risk zone for sexual harassment and stuff - Again and again they make surveys and find that this problem exists, and again and again nothing is done about it. I can't really subscribe to forcing girls into that kind of situation.

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Same. Also I'm no one to talk on this and maybe some veteran can chime in, but military would take a very different physical toll on women compared to men. I don't think it's about equality when there are more disadvantages to one gender than the other.

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Since for a long time I taught next to a major military base, I have known a fair number of women soldiers. They were diverse in background, all impressively tough and smart. But they all mentioned the issue of sexual harassment, and the difficulty of getting male superior officers to do anything about it. That does not mean, however, women should be excluded from the military. They are as capable as men in that regard.

I am really ambivalent about compulsory military service. Perhaps some sort of national compulsory service is valuable for all genders, but I can't see any value in specifically military compulsory service. You can instill discipline, loyalty, and camaraderie without also saying to get those qualities in the population, its necessary to kill.
South Korea can of course argue that because they have an immediate threat to the North, constant military preparation is necessary; but has it been proven that compulsory service is the best way to achieve military readiness? The U.S. without compulsory service has in the past been able to mobilize extraordinarily quickly, and S. Korea has the same economic and patriotic strengths. Anyway, one would hope a shrinking population would convince every nation that they shouldn't expand the military, but maybe search for more peaceful solutions to global conflict!

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The Korea Herald reported that as of the end of 2023, for the first time 70 year olds outnumber 20 year olds in the population census.

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@welh640
Don't worry, they will bring immigrants for work, it's all in the plan.

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Would women get equal pay?

Can you imagine Jennie of BlackPink in the military?

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Of course, equal pay, equal everything.
And I don't know her, but I will look her up.

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@qingdao
If they are forced to serve the military, they should be paid equal pay for that time.
O don't know about those statistics and how they were made. It is hard to believe for me that a female doctor or, let's say a drama female writer is payed 65% of her male equivalent.

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But lots of men in the military couldn't be imagined there, either, except because they had to.
Zindigo has a point about women missing out on career opportunities because of child birth - and that is partly the time they have to stay with the baby, but more so it is the time they end up being the one who stay back when the child is ill (which might be half of the time the first couple of years, like, every second week, seriously) no matter how much there is an agreement about sharing the work equally.
In a couple, what mostly happens even in relatively equal societies, is that the men start getting promoted easier even before child birth because of the mere expectance that woman will at some point be pregnant.
When a child comes, he earns more, and if she stays at home more, they will have more money.
And his career will be furthered, hers not.
While time serving rarely affects the career negatively (it can be different for careers that start and end early, like k-drama lead or elite sportsdoer/ Also, what I have read about it was mostly in countries were the mandatory time is closer to one year than two), having a child statistically hurt women's career a lot, and benefits that of the man!
Which of course wouldn't be a problem if everyone was happy and if they never stopped loving one another and always and forever happily shared whatever they had of love, pension, ready money, and possibilities of development.
I don't think it is physically impossible for women to be soldiers at all - the physical part of it is less important today than it was a hundred years ago, and also, I don't know about Korea, But in Denmark the average height has gone up more than 10 cm over the last hundred years.
It doesn't take one certain height or weight to be a soldier. You just train people hard, and then you set your goals at "possible" instead of "if everybody was like the biggest, strongest person we have".
I am, as I said, ambivalent about forcing people into the military.
And I think it is fair to say that having a child could easily be compared to military duty ... especially if it is military duty without actually going to war, just training.
But I would really, really not like people to begin to argue that women had to do mandatory birth, under HIS eye ... and, as I said before, the problem in society with sexual abuse of women is a lot worse inside the military. And it is not taken seriously, maybe because toxic masculinity is such a big part of how many military men #NotAllMilitaryMen see themselves? I could imagine that to be a factor, that they actually can't imagine a strong soldier as anything but a male predator, and that sexual abuse is to be expected. Not an environment I feel fair to send any woman into. (Or any gentle, nice man, really).

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Okay, y'all - I went to bed after Lunar New Year Eve dinner and wake up to this.

First of all, it seems like nobody read the actual article - I shared it because the full article was about how the political party is using the "conscript women too!" to pander to the misogynist incel young male voting bloc in South Korea.

This is NOT about gender equality - this move is about political opportunism by throwing women under the bus.

Second of all, interesting how Kodra only waded in to bang on about gender equality in the military when I shared this news headline, as opposed to when I shared the news headline where SK became the 14th country in the world to allow women in the military to serve on submarines. A move that clearly indicates that women have been serving in the military all along:

https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20230626000589

Thirdly, gender equality is not as simple as "if one gender is made to do one thing, then all genders must be made to do that thing no matter how unhealthy/toxic/punitive it is".

Gender equality should be partly about tackling toxic/unhealthy/punitive gender norms (including gendered housework, gendered spheres of work etc) and creating a world where things/practices that shouldn't be prescribed/ascribed to one gender or another are no longer gendered, and to replace them with new norms and practices that are healthy and functional for ALL genders with the emphasis on:
- equity and equality for women since the patriarchy has stolen and suppressed that for centuries.
- more healthy models of masculinity that includes getting rid of violence and emotional constipation as a default position for men and boys, among other things.

To take the position that all genders should be forced to do something like military conscription that negatively impacts the one gender (men) instead of looking at solutions to stop forcing one gender to do it is tantamount to "if I have to suffer, then EVERYONE has to suffer".

That logic doesn't compute.

And the people who think this way about gender equality usually have nothing to say - or a lot of objections to raise - when it's flipped the other way (i.e. anyone proposing that men should be taught and made to do what is traditionally considered "women's work").

That is all I have to say about this.

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ADDENDUM [Because I'm still recovering from post-Lunar New Year Dinner Food Coma (TM) so naturally my food-addled brain forgot to add a couple of details before I said that I had said my piece]:

1. To extend on and illustrate my point about the ridiculousness and unconstructive position that if the male gender is forced to do/undergo something gendered that is toxic/destructive (e.g. military conscription), then every gender should be forced to undergo the same thing and that if it was reversed (aka proposing that men and boys do or experience something unpleasant that is forced on women), let's take the example of bound feet:

If I said that since girls had to have their feet broken at between ages 3 - 5 and then bound so boys should have the same done to their feet, you would all look at me like I've gone seriously nuts.

The stance taken by a certain Beanie here sounds *exactly* like that.

2. If you think that a certain gendered norm is UNFAIR and TOXIC, instead of insisting that all other genders be subject to it too, how about focusing on FIXING it?

Instead of complaining that not enough/no feminists are working on solutions for whatever you're complaining about, how about stepping up and taking action instead of being an armchair critic attacking feminists just because you have an axe to grind?

Changemaking is hard work. Progress will always be slow. But nothing will improve if people don't take action.

Just a thought.

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Thank you for these messages @9tailedvixen. I can't say I haven't been guilty of defending patriarchal conventions in storytelling in a similar manner (I'm sorry for taking this into a slightly different direction, but this is sort of a personal confession 😅). That's because they are so pervasive and we are so used to them (at least I am), that it is hard to recognise them as problematic unless they've got a shock value (like violence) attached to them. If gender dynamics and gender based representations are looked at closely (both in real life and in dramas), they are so many things that have sadly been normalised. Beanies do a great job of calling out inequalities in gender based interactions in dramas. I shouldn't brush it off as easily in future 😐. Gender inequality might be a greater problem and a bigger everyday reality in some societies than I think (for example, power dynamics in interpersonal relationships).

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I hate to do this, but I dont have how to not compare these two dramas: My Dearest and Captivating the King, mostly because it is about the same period... kind....ish...
I started both late, both this week. While MD is beautiful paced, beautiful written, beautiful explained, CtK is so rushed, it is like its vomiting the words on us and asking to finish the puzzle by ourselves without any instructions. I understand that people should know the story of what happened, but if you are going to use that period of time as a background for your set up, why not use a bit more explaining it. Craft the story, use 10 more minutes for the set up. You dont need to give a full episode on it, but just dont rush it. Cho Jung-Seok was amazing in Nokdu Flower. AMAZING. He can deliver it.

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Curious to know which episode you are at in CTK? I remember people having ossies with the show in the first 2 eps but by ep 3 and 4, it was very clear that this is a completely fictional show which has little relevance to the time period they are showing it to be situated in. I haven't seen My Dearest but as far as I know, it was very faithful to the time period and the political situations of that time. So they are essentially two very different shows. As of the latest ep 7 I can confirm thay JJS is terrific here. He is may maim draw for the show but I like the story too.

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Issues* main* that*
Sorry for the typos. I have cold hands lol.

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After watching My Dearest and figuring Sejak was using the same time period, I was glad with the route Sejak took. Rushed through it? I'm game cause I don't think I want to sit through another variant of the torturous times.

I remember beanies sharing opinions, some leaning towards yours and some not.

But I did find beanies who were glad we skipped through Qing's drama via Lee In's narratives, quick scenes and wrapped up in the premiere.

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

You know that ridiculous K-drama trope about being on your deathbed with a mere cold? I take it back, my throat hurts, my nose is clogged and woe is meee!🤧I got lucky, the brain fog is not interfering with my focus too much, which means I am for the most part able to rest, read and watch my episodes in peace. And eat ice cream.🍦

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Get Better Soon!
https://youtu.be/0bErh0mwBB8
We made this Get Better video for my big girl once when whe was ill and isolated in one room, while her little sister was pining for her in another room.
It's my little girl describing what you see, along the lines of "Oh no, what is this? She is ill, aaawwww. But look, ... " etc.

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Ohhhh, so charming!

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Hun er så sød! Tak for forklaringen, jeg har studeret dansk, men jeg har glemt alt! Undskyld hvis noget er forkert!😊

Erm surpriiiise?😊I was looking for an opportunity to tell you this.😊

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This was perfect!
And you know the fastelavn song!
❤️

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Also, why did you study Danish?
Kierkegaard? Boy/Girlfriend? H.C. Andersen? Social Science? Trade?

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Der var engang,….:p It actually was my major! I studied Applied Linguistics and obtained a master’s degree in translation afterwards. My language picks were English and Danish, because they both seemed fun and I want to be a polyglot. So I learned the language from scratch and theoretically should be able to work as a danish translator now. Unfortunately, the translator life is not for me, nor did I get to practise my danish after graduation, so it is very rusty now! I recently started practising again on Duolingo, so it is coming back a bit along with the nostalgia of being a student. I am in my early thirties now :p

Confession time: I do like you as a Beanie and your posts are my style of humour, but since I know you are danish you can no longer do any wrong in my eyes!:p

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Great! What's your first language, then, if it's okay to ask?
And thank you very much! 😊
Why is being a translator not for you? I could find lots of reasons pro and con, I just wants to know what makes you roll ... away from that porfession?

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... Or ... was it so as to better understand if a Danish person one day would send you a cute video Get Better card in Danish?
I feel like I need to translate the whole thing now, so as to better get the words.

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Get Well Soon, Big Sister (Good bettering)
But what is this now, what is this, what is this? - Hvad (er) nu det, Hva’ nu det, Hva’ nu det?
Look, a there’s a girl lying there. - Se, der ligger jo en piiiige.
She does not look happy. - Hun ser ikk’ glad ud.
Look, a bit of colour is put on now. - Se, nu kommer der lidt farve på.
That’s a bit hyggeligere /more cozy/nicer, - Det er lidt hyggeligere.
NOW her younger sister appears - NU kommer … hendes lillesøster,
and her mum, and her dad - og hendes mor, og hendes far
but look, now they love her - men se, nu elsker de hende,
Look, NOW she became happy - se, NU blev hun glad
Get Well Soon! - God bedring!

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...Am I that obvious??? :O

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🍨🍨🍨 and best wishes for a speedy recovery!

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Thank you! You can keep the chocolate icecream, not fond of that one (yes, even I have flaws)

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I almost never eat ice cream, but for some reason I get a craving for coffee ice cream whenever I'm sick.

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I like the ice cream part. Wishing you feel better soon!

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Thank you!

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Do get a gallon bucket of ice cream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_XXOy7qRY

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But is Oppa included???🤔

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If he is, let us know! 😂

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honest a cold feels like running a marathon.

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Yup. Something minor, but a major bother.

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Get well soon!! Rest up & enjoy the time to read and watch (and ice cream yummmm although my mum would never let me if I had a cold, you're lucky!! 😭)

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Scoot over, I'll secretly share!🍦🍦

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Hope you feel better soon.

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Thank you!

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Hi Beanies!! Happy Friday :)) I'll give a life update post in a bit, but after chatting with some beanies on the fan wall I thought I'd open it up to a wider audience, too -

Question of the week: what does DB mean to you?

My short answer: it’s the place I learned to express my love of kdramas to strangers with confidence.

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Here's my longer answer from the fan wall:

I first found dramabeans back when I relied on recaps more heavily to decide whether or not to watch something. So the first thing that dramabeans meant to me was a source for spoilers and insightful opinions on a show.

It took me several years to actually decide to post a comment. I was a very shy youth and grew up in a not-so-technology savvy home (or at least, one more reserved when it came to online communities). Still, something drove me to branch out of my comfort zone. A quick search to my oldest comment page tells me it was finals, driving me mad. And so, at the end of December in 2015, cozybooks was born.

After that Dramabeans was a land of experimentation, a place where I could try out being funny and squealing over dramas. It feels fitting that right after I made my first comment I was swept up in the beauty of Signal and spent a lot of comments giving thoughts and letting other beanies know that yes, the hype was worth it.

The more I expressed myself, the more confident I got. So much so that I now feel comfortable sharing things about myself (although I try not to give anything actually identifying away, cus internet safety). So Dramabeans became a place not only to share my love of dramas, but also other things about who I am – cooking and Lee Jong Suk and webtoons and life.

In the end, to borrow @seeker ‘s idea and a nod to the recent DB post about “comfort characters” ( https://www.dramabeans.com/2024/02/drama-chat-comfort-characters/ ) I think DB has really become a comfort place for me – one that I can always come back to and enjoy easily, even if I take long stretches away at times. Happy Seollal beanies, I’m glad you all exist!

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So many pop culture-based sites degenerate into fan wars and ugliness, so what I love most about DB is that it's a community where folks can both celebrate the great things about shows while also thoughtfully critiquing their problematic aspects. I never really commented on internet sites before discovering this one because I had no interest in being drawn into toxic flame wars, but DB is such a warm community and such a breath of fresh air. I learn so many cool things, discover great new shows to check out and get to discuss things that I love but that most of the my "real life" friends neither watch nor understand. So yeah, Beanies are awesome!

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Hooray for no flame wars! Although no internet community is perfect, DB is pretty darn amazing in that there's always someone who will agree with you, someone who will disagree with you but do so eloquently and without the flames, and someone who's just there to squeal over the drama :)

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This topic evokes mixed emotions: sadness due to Javabeans' last goodbye post and happiness that DB is still operational.
https://www.dramabeans.com/2019/06/community-what-dramabeans-means-to-me/

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Right? That's actually the inspiration for the question. I'm mostly just thankful that she created the site in the first place and that those who run it now love it enough that they've kept it so operational for all these years.

This is also my secret call out to the universe to hope that someday, they'll be lurking back on the site and see our little letters of love :)

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I'm glad you started a new one. Trying to get my thoughts together :).

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this is now more than a decade here for me. and it just feels comfortable. Facebook, at some point, because mad. If I share some stuff with any weight on FB it is either people nag, or ask stupid questions, or block me or make stupid jokes. but I can have a civilized normal conservation with no spam here. it is a mature and supportive community without conspiracy theories, scams or ugly gifs. also very openminded and willing to go HOURS discussing the background of some phenomena.

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Became mad. autocorrect is really going crazy it corrected cloth into sloth before like what the....

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It's the slotherhouse sloth - it's taken to the internet and is on the lookout for unsuspecting commenters

(I don't know why that thought came to mind, I really don't, other than that I saw the trailer for Slotherhouse recently and had to laugh it was so weird)

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😆 love it connecting the predictive text error to an actual programme

🫘Beansprout🌱 for encouraging us to not let the tech gremlins frustrate us. Good timing too with the weekend site slowdown upon us.

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Dramabeans is a community where I can discuss and share my love of dramas, something that is not available irl.

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What is in the water regarding fantasy drama writers in SK? Maybe it's just me but why is it so hard for find quality korean fantasy shows nowadays.

Love song for illusion and Branding in Seongsu seemed like fantasy shows and yet what do I get? Messiness!
Which can be fine; people can and do watch "bad" things all the time and find enjoyment or the "good" things about them. Even LSFI argubly has it's good things but just generally speaking, where are the quality shows? With decent to good world building and likable characters? Shows that embrace the fun and whimsy of fantasy.

The last one I remember is Alchemy of Souls (parts 1 & 2).
I guess, argubly, Death's game might fit though that's a darker direction.

When I decided to check out the Branding show, I rationalized that even Secret Garden had a jerk character so it's fine that I don't like these characters but I still managed to get through SG and I feel like Branding isn't worth it and I'm not sure why. Was SG funnier which offset the negative character traits? Dynamics were different I think. I think there was lots of sarcastic banter.

It's been so long since I've seen SG and it's not one I would wanna sit through all over again but I know it had funny and rewatchable moments such as the discovery of the body swap, the jealousy of a young Lee Jong Suk (is that his name? The guy from W: Two Worlds & Big Mouth) and the second female lead, and the iconic tracksuits.

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Secret Garden was a good drama, imho. I watched it in 2022, and I had a good time. I binge-watched it in two or three days. It has some of my favorite k-drama original songs. I could do without ML's horrible mom, though, and some makjang elements.

I also think fantasy k-dramas are messy and it seems the writers can't write endings which make sense. W: Two Worlds, Memories of Alhambra, Love song for illusion, Hwayugi... Even Alchemy of Souls!
Said that, my favorite fantasy drama (I don't count time-travel) is Mirror of the witch.

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