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Beauty and Mr. Romantic: Episodes 11-20 (Drama Hangout)

Welcome to the Drama Hangout for KBS’s family weekender Beauty and Mr. Romantic, where Im Soo-hyang is a troubled/troublesome top actress, and Ji Hyun-woo is the rookie PD she’s working with.

This is your place to chat about the drama as it airs.


Beware of spoilers! This thread is for discussing the entire series.

 
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I like to keep the main leads, Mari, Dora’s youngest brother and Pilseung’s bio mum and vaporise the rest of the largely boring cast.
In particular, the great aunt’s character is predictably vile but the actor playing her is just such a bore and hardly makes any visible effort to imbue the character with some meaning. And, comes across as a member of the uncanny valley. I ff through all if those scenes and it doesn’t seem as though I’m missing much.
One saving grace is that the leads have strong chemistry and given the developments in ep 11, there is a long journey ahead of them.
Last but not least, Ji Hyunwoo is very charming in this role and I love his permed hair. In a perfect world, he would like it too and keep it as is really becoming.

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Your comment had me watching her more closely in Ep. 12 and I think part of the problem is her face shows no expression. Her brows and forehead hardly move, which is a jarring contrast with all the ridiculous things she’s saying.

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It is jarring for sure. Actors need faces that can move and convey emotions. That is one face which - hopefully not because the actor became ill or suffered an injury - but through ‘choice has been altered.

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This weekender still delights me with its quick and jaunty pacing. It's moving almost as rapidly, it seems to me, as any 16-episode drama. Just as one main story line starts to lose my interest, I'm reminded of another that's just picking up the pace and I perk up. I skip fewer and fewer scenes each week. I don't know if that's going to persist...but until it changes I'm psyched to tune in each week.

I was particularly charmed this week by both of Do-ra's brothers. Do-sik's relationship with Myeong-dong is so delightfully back-and-forth...the writers could milk this for as long as they want and I'll probably love it. Well not as long as they want, but for 10 more episodes 🤣. And I'm looking forward to whatever real story arc Do-joon gets when he comes back again to Korea--or, now that I say that, perhaps even in a series of episodes in the US??? Where some characters will be trying to find out the secrets of Pil-seung's parentage and others just gallivanting in Boston? Wouldn't that be a hoot?

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Oh, also...what a steamy imagination 우리 Pil-seung-i has!! 💋 😏 😂

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But it is also very appropriate to someone who is Mr. Romantic.

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Ha! So very true. And that guitar-playing--taking her inside the strap to dance while he sang--was all-the-moreso...♥

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Yes, that was a really nice moment. It is little details like that which can really make a show special.

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Ji Hyun Woo, I mean Pil Seung has really dialled up the charm in these episodes. Aaaaaaaaw. I am enjoying all the scenes where our leads interact as they have very good chemistry together. The role really suits Im Soo Hyang, whom I've been rather meh about prior to this. She's very pretty, very cute, and very funny in this role. So I'm glad I gave the show a chance. I probably would have anyway, simply because I have never failed to like Ji Hyun Woo in any role, even if it takes a while for me to warm up to the role as it did here. He's on full steam now.

However, with their romance going so well in Episode 12 out of 50, I guess it's time for lots of makjang, breaking up, getting back together, obstacles to overcome etc. etc. for the next 38 episodes. So far so good.

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I particularly like the conversation Pil Seung has with Dora after she overhears bad things being said about her after the SML scene. It is reminiscent of the time much earlier on in the series where he has a very mature conversation with her in the car/minibus about how hard all the staff worked for the series. Who won't fall for Pil Seung? He was also very lovely with his mum.

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I like both of your comments as they really hit the spot for me!🥰

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Yeah, he's a cutie with a real sense of personal responsibility, alright--though, I will admit to thinking of him as the actor's real age of ~40 instead of the character's supposed age of ~33...😁

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They were utterly adorable in their ahjumma clothes on their undercover date. That scene reassures me that the writer realizes we want to have fun watching the show and cheer for the OTP and not just rage-watch because of the makjang villains.

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I noticed that DB staff changed the description of the show.

I liked how the relationship of our lead characters has evolved- they really do have chemistry.

I have never understood why people were so down on Im Soo-hyang. I get that she does not have the sheer acting abilities of Shin Hye-sun but she was perfect in MY ID IS GANGNAM BEAUTY which was a good show: There are roles where she can shine and Park Do-ra seems to be one of them.

I am amazed at how young they are making Ji Hyunwoo look- years younger than he is. In contrast he had to look about as many years older than he is in his role in YOUNG LADY AND GENTLEMAN. He is really convincing in the role he is playing here.

I hope we get to see more of Do-soon and Ma-ri. It looks like instead of using the money her mom gave him to go drinking with his friends he took Ma-ri on an outing and bought her that dollhouse instead. I hope that his sociopathic mom does not soil their friendship by pimping her son out to her family as an alternative plan to what she did with Do-ra, but I am likely to be disappointed.

This show is moving right along but it seems like the fated journey of Do-shik and Myeong-dong has been slow tracked.

As for our baddies: Jin Dan had issued an ultimatum to Do-ra's mom that she will not be able to deliver on. It appears that Do-ra's disgrace which was advertised for this show will be at his hands. "Spurned Lover takes revenge" is a dramatic theme which has existed for centuries- why not go with a classic trope? That this comes as the result of Do-ra's mom should be no surprise- said mom is not actually capable of rational thought which also explains why she developed a gambling addiction. It is amazing how much her character is unchanged from what it was during Do-ra's childhood.

Perhaps then what has been most encouraging for me about our new weekender is that it is unfolding with real dramatic logic.

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I also never thought in a million years that I see a really hot kiss that didn’t look too choreographed and was executed flawlessly by both characters who were depicted as enjoying it and responding to it after Dora being the one who initiated the kiss in ‘RL’. The dream kiss is a thing of beauty for KDs and counts in my book.

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So... because @oldawyer was constantly promoting it and @attiton gave me a nudge, I did something I hardly ever do and SKIPPED episodes straight to the past weekend and watched episodes 11 and 12 and omg the main couple is so cuuuuuute. 😍 I just hope Pilseung will be strong enough to stand by Dora, because she seems to have very little folk on her side and that obsessive CEO is scary.

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Well, at the very least you got 2 hours of fun out of @oldawyer and my enthusiasms!!! Could be worse! So very glad you enjoyed the main couple...soon you'll come around to the side-couples, and then you'll come around to the villains! **rubs hands gleefully**

For myself, I'm secretly pretty psyched at how psycho our Jin-dan is becoming. Might it not be refreshing to have a real aggressive male villain in the mix here, what with all the aunts and moms cornering that market so far? He looked pretty determined to get his way, angrily and petulantly, outside of Do-ra, Inc. this week...

Speaking of which, wasn't this the same building used for the outside shots of the sister's photo studio in Sunbae, Don't Put on That Lipstick/She Would Never Know? Anyone think so? I will go do more research...

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😄😄
Well, I definitely enjoyed it more than I expected. Just not sure whether it is worth trying to catch up and watch what I missed... maybe I try ep10... then 9... 😆

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FWIW, research complete. Thanks for your patience (she says to no one waiting!! 😂) Yes, Dora, Inc. is using the same exterior building as the photography studio in Sunbae (although she wasn't the "sister" in Sunbae she was the, um, well, anyway...)

As for going back and watching previous episodes, @dorotka, I wonder what others think, but as for me--it's a weekender,so you get to skip what you want!

That said, since I know you weren't grabbed by the first four childhood-focused episodes, I'd say do go ahead and watch back to episode 8 as there's lots of cute to be had, but I wouldn't go back any farther. Or not!

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I'm terrible at those things. I did notice the house from Real Has Come (unless I'm mixing it up with another drama 😆).

Thanks for the tip, I will see how far the May dramas will let me go.

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Watching in reverse- a new approach. It should certainly give one a different perspective.

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We already have a major female villain in Dora's mom to match the male villain. I like the balance here.

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They could keep each other busy and leave our main couple alone. 🙂

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Too bad that they both see Do-ra as their pawn.

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Ep 14 has me concerned because there’s no going back if DoRa did what she planned and ep 15 looks like things get worse…😢

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I have a long range prediction about the show. We now have an inkling of how Dora’s fall might happen but how will the return occur? I expect she’ll make a comeback in a drama directed by Pilseung, a fairly easy guess. But what if it’s written by Myeong Dong, who’s had Do sik helping with editing?🤔

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Wow! What a great prediction!

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What a totally cool idea- I would love to see that. From Possum's lips to the writer's ears....maybe with a prayer to the Drama Gods (burns incense at alter).

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I wish Viki would post the un-subtitled versions asap and then pull it to substitute with the subbed versions. They’ve done it a few times when the subbed version wasn’t ready. I wonder why it can’t be done routinely? It would help me to learn more expressions and words!

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Your comment brings back memories of Hyo Shim. I would get up early in order to try and catch the first Kocowa release that did not include subs. If I was careful to not watch until the end, I could even re-wind and re-watch.

What frustrates me is - why don't they (Kocowa and Viki) include the Korean subs as an option??? Netflix has Korean subs and I find it helpful in trying to learn (by osmosis or intuition, I'm not sure) how to read Korean.

I'm waiting until Episode 25 of this drama to decide if I will take the plunge, but also reading comments from time to time to read how you and others are feeling. Unfortunately, the FL is. . . . . pretty much unwatchable for me and I would keep a fairly open mind on the topic except the first teaser I watched - she did her usual swanky swagger that I can't . . . shudder.

Still TBD. 😊

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Wow, these weekenders sure have a lot of irritating characters talking to themselves ad nauseum. This is clearly a cheap filler technique but it is getting on my nerves big time, especially with hideous Miju. Poor Dora. She will be blindsided when the shit hits the fan soon.

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I agree that it's a little cheap-tricky on the part of the writer, but I appreciate that it does speed the narrative up a bit just to let us know what the heck they're thinking--we don't have to "figure it out" through their actions or wonder what they're "really trying to do," because, ahem, they just TELL us. 🤣

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Maybe with a lot less screeching, I could tolerate these scenes better.

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어머 어머 omo omo 어머1!!1!

I loved episode 13! What a jam-packed hour! Pil-seung's mom is a dear-heart, certainly in comparison to all other moms, except maybe--um--Pil-seung's (other) mom? LOL.

I was going to gripe a bit about our OTP's relationship because I totally see what Do-ra sees in Pil-seung, even above and beyond the persistence of her 12-year-old crush...but couldn't see what Pil-seung saw in Do-ra. However (하지만), as I thought about what I'd type to complain, I realized--I do see what he sees. She's funny (I honestly laughed out loud at her silly aegyo-voice eating that fried chicken in the park), she clearly cares for him deeply, and she's serious about her profession. She certainly apologizes well. I do get it. I mean there's clearly gonna be trouble ahead, and those tattoos were silly/stupid, but hey. I'll take it. They really seem to have mutual respect and care.

I don't know what tomorrow's gonna hold in store, but I suspect it's gonna be a roller-coaster now that the loan sharks are calling for Do-ra!!!

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For sure. Pilseung’s sweetness was both environmentally nurtured and genetically primed. His mum’s was moving and brave: Throughout her reflections on her own conduct, agony about causing him pain and ultimately deciding to prioritise his need. That what I call motherly love.

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Pil Seung’s mother is very rare in the Kdrama world!

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The tattoos are going to prove to be very key if you are caught up with last episode and the previews for next weeks eps..

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Hi. I’m trying to be mindful of not posting any spoilers here in the threads as other beanies care about them. I think you’ve included one as we haven’t watched the subbed ep 14 as it hasn’t been released by Viki as yet. So, could you please delete your comment and post a modified version?
You can include some spoilers with Clear warnings on your fan wall though.
Thanks.

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Sorry didn’t know the rules.
MDL has a spoiler box.

I guess I just read here to be safe, sorry if I ruined anything for you.

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No, not for me! I’m spoiler resistant but other beanies don’t like spoilers so thank you!

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This last ep was incredibly sad even if largely predictable. I still like the leads’ chemistry so much but am not sure I’ve got the stamina to go through so much heartache and hence last the distance. Maybe I should come back in the third quarter and see if I can catch up?

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Depending on ep 15 outcome, I may follow your lead!!

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We need to console each other and hope for the least awful trajectory.

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Okay I’m onboard with that! 🤞🏻

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It makes me wonder why the ratings for this weekender are so much worse than the two previous ones which were far worse than this. And, the attrition of the interested Beanies has also been quite sad. Regardless of this woeful state of affairs, I like the leads so much and while want to run away from the rest of the awful characters, I’ll try and stay around. I’ll resist abandoning it.

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This weekender is a vast improvement over the two which came before it. Part of the reason is that it has more likeable characters than unlikeable ones- it is not just the two leads. Pilseung's mom, Mi-ra and her well-meaning if sometimes mistaken parents, Do-ra's younger brother (and in time I think the older one too). There are other's that I suspect we will come to like even beyond these.

And we have a story which is maintaining a disciplined but logical pace- in fact a much better one than this writer's previous weekender.

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For sure. I only flagged my liking of the leads but I also like Pilseung’s two mums, Dora’s younger sib and Mari.

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Spoiler for Ep 16: I have to say that the conceit of the story involving Dora’s new identity and no one recognising her is testing my patience and good will. I’m now desensitised to the amnesia trope but the lack of recognition is a step too far for me. I hope it doesn’t last long - I suspect it might not - otherwise I will be irritated.

And, bring back the shaggy/curly hairdo for Pilseung

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Do-ra's way of speaking, her mannerisms, the change in her hairstyle, wearing glasses are all a hanged from before- plus everyone has been thinking she was dead for two years.

Eventually the truth will emerge but for now it is no surprise that no one recognizes her yet.

Because they think she is dead they do not expect to see her. At first, they will probably even just think that this naive country girl just looks a lot like her.

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Star tattoo, hint hint...

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Jin Dan had issued an ultimatum to sociopathic Do-ra's mom- and she could not deliver. Just as she once played our ML’s Grandfather for a fool so she had played him for a fool- but this time that fool can take revenge and wants to. Out utterly thoughtless gambling addict has triggered a catastrophe. It was actually refreshing to see one arch villain screaming at the other- but the problem is that Do-ra and her brothers will be collateral damage.

What could be lower than Do-ra’s mom essentially kidnapping her daughter and delivering her to Jin-dan? I have seldom been more disgusted than watching her reaction when Do-ra came home. When Do-ra said she would cut ties with her mom I thought this it was the smartest decision she could make. Too bad she was not able to stick to it. At the very least though she needs to get her seal back and fire her mom before more damage is done.

Jin-dan is not a very competent villain- an experienced mob boss would have just taken out a contract on Do-ra’s mom by herself. One should be very careful about revenge or there could be repercussions. Like ultimately losing his company if he continues to misuse it. Dear Jin-dan- please learn that your company is not a toy. I hope that by the end of his show he has lost everything.

Mi-ra was set up on a blind date- and was very upset with her date. I am not sure what her parents were thinking but the not so young man definitely did not appeal to her at all. She knows what she wants- now that she has met Pil-seung. Of course, neither of them knows that he really is her oppa in the most literal sense. Which may explain why she may be just as romantically minded as he is.

Mi-ra actually has very normal desires for someone her age- which should be no surprise. Our vocabulary is inadequate when describing those with her limitations. I for one dislike the term ‘other abled’ as much as I dislike ‘disabled”- neither term captures the reality of those who suffer limits on some portion of their thoughts and activities, indeed, both terms suffer from lumping people together and failing to appreciate the uniqueness of each individual. In Mi-ra we have a unique person who should have her own unique story. Her story will be an interesting one, I am sure.

Episode 14 ended on about as sad a note as you could ever find. We were promised a fall from grace and here it is.

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I mirrored your disgust. It was horrendous to watch and Im Soohyang did quite well in conveying the shock, desperation and utter horror at being traded by her awful mother for breathing room. And, the actor playing Jindan did a good job with the portrayal of the cruelty of such an un-self aware, entitled, toxic and dim person. Poor Dora. And, you’re right that the 3 sibs are and will stay collateral damage for some time. Although, I don’t think much of the older dim brother who had no protective instinct towards Dora and was awful to her until everything fell apart.
But our poor Pilseung. Now that he is deeply in love, he has to go through a gauntlet. I hope the dubious subplot doesn’t eventuate and further traumatise him when his birth secret comes out.

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The birth secret will come out at hopefully just the right time.

But I love your description of Jin-dan as being "dim". There is a reason his hyung waited so long to hand him that company. This is why I am predicting that he will ruin himself.

Do-ra's older brother is not just dim- he is cowardly. How could he be so willing to join his mom in prostituting his sister? The scene of Do-ra going to do a nude photo shoot really emphasized that point.

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I’ve “suffered” through many a weekender/family drama, but the current story direction is really horrible to me.

If you forget DR’s mom as she a horrible person and worse mother. What could be worse than pimping your daughter. She wouldn’t care if DR was abused as long as her money problems were solved.

I feel that her decision for the photo shoot will be detrimental to her relationship with PS.
Korea is so conservative that I’m not sure nudity is “netizen approved”? I mean adultery was a crime with jail time not long ago. Kissing in public is not looked an upon favorably.

I know it’s fiction but I would not want my girlfriend or future wife to do the photo shoot that DR is planning, because mom convinced her. Ugh that mother.😢

And the ep 15 previews don’t make it look like it’s going to get any better.😡

I don’t mind the leads going through trials and tribulations, but I like it when they go through it together as a team.

The only amazing thing is PS’s mother, overcoming her prejudice of DR (because again DR’s mother’s actions) to put her son’s happiness first. Most parents in KDramas only care about their feelings not their child’s.

I’m not 100% sure why this current story line of DR & PS has me so upset, but it does.
So I guess the writer is doing a decent job eliciting a reaction from me. I hope she changes course soon.

(Thank you for reading my therapeutic rant.)

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In fact, the ROK is not always as conservative as you might think- it is more a matter of context: It seems very conservative in Kdramas but an entirely different set of rules apply to movies where nudity is not at all uncommon.

The damage to Do-ra will be real- her reputation has been flushed down the drain because of this and yes, it is because of her awful mother.

Weekenders are long, and even best take you on unpleasant rides at times: At this point in ONCE AGAIN our couples had fallen apart, but it is a great weekender because of the beautiful story about how they find each other again.

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Thank you for the ROK info, I had no idea about movies.😲

And I’m old enough to not let the current story of DR bother me, but gosh darn-it…(lol) I never expected this level of unsavory behavior!

I LOVED Once Again!!! Wasn’t DR’s mother the mother on OA? I hated her for 75% of the show…🫣

Thank you for the encouraging words!

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What is encouraging to me is that we are not just wallowing in misery as we did for way too long in the last weekender.

Unsavory behavior? It actually happens for real in the entertainment industry, as we are reminded by those scandals which erupt not only in Korea but elsewhere from time to time. Is it unsavory? Absolutely, but unfortunately all too realistic. But, as also happens, there can be repercussions for the perpetrators as well. It may be rough right now, but such things also make for part of a great story when handled well.

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Well said, I truly appreciate your analysis and thoughts on this show!
36 episodes to go…”easy peasy”!!! 🫣

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Do ra's mom is totally despicable -= will not accept responsibility or accountability for the way she's exploited her daughter. Likewise with the sociopath Jin dan. I'm glad his character has nightmares.

The Mi ra character has brain damage, not any other clinical state or mental development from birth. While this has a clear impact on aspects of her personality, not necessarily so wrt her judgement. However "limited" she might be, the writers show that she clearly understands and reacts well to kindness and poorly to being "mean spirited" (auntie and Jin-dan's mom) and "knows" a good man and who a "bad" man is.

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You have it pegged exactly- Mi-ra's limitations are the product of an accident and nothing else. She has difficulties but also real understanding. With a kind and understanding man she could love, marry and have beautiful and intelligent children- in fact because of her parents and the extremely healthy life she has lived up until now she is actually more likely to have such children than the average woman. The key though would be finding the man with the right heart and understanding- not simply someone who seems to fit socially and economically, which was the mistake her parents made with the blind date. Is Do-jun such a man? We do not know at this point, and it is up the writer to answer that question.

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I think I am going to skip a few episodes until things are looking less traumatic/irritating. Fellow beanies, please let me know when it's safe to watch again!

Interestingly, while I found myself eagerly awaiting every new episode with the predecessor, Live Your Own Life (until about episode 48 anyway), strangely, the same cannot be said for this drama. I have not been particularly hooked, but then I'll watch it anyway (with FF button liberally used) and find myself thoroughly enjoying all the scenes where the two main leads interact. The show has been a pleasant surprise, at least where the leads are concerned. Nevertheless, I think as the makjang-ness has been dialled up, I'd better wait a while and see how things go.

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I caved in, watched the last two episodes anyway, and am still enjoying it as it's moving at such a fast pace. What a rollercoaster ride for our main leads. The two main actors really performed their roles well and I was bawling my eyes out by the end of ep. 14. Well, they did say there was going to be a sudden fall to rock bottom for Do Ra! I was quite surprised by the adult themes in this family drama, but the sad part is that there have been many documented cases of parents using their showbiz kids selfishly in real life, so her situation is perhaps not that far fetched.

Pil Seung is such a kind and precious character and it's hard to see him (and of course, Do Ra) go through so much. Nevertheless, the premise of the show is her fall to rock bottom overnight and Pil Seung helping to bring her back up again. I look forward to the latter and will likely keep tuning in.

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The fast pace is really helping deal with all the emotional scenes.

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50 episodes?! Ain't that a bit too much for a drama whose end is pretty much clear in episode 12?!

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A properly written weekender is an ensemble drama in which several stories are woven together. If you are saying that you can see where the story of the two leads will be going you are probably right- but what about the second and possible third pairings- and how will the stories of their other family members play out? At this point I actually cannot see where the second and third possible pairings are going (or not). There are actually upcoming story arcs which at best have only been hinted at- and which could go in some alternate directions.

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At the end of episode 15 we have an unconscious Do-ra being discovered by an old lady beachcomber who misses her departed daughter, and I was reminded that the writer of this weekender also wrote the hit weekender YOUNG LADY AND GENTLEMAN, which featured amnesia as a major plot device. Are we about to get that trope again? Is that a silly question? At least it isn’t being inflicted upon Ji Hyun-woo this time?

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Correction- departed granddaughter.

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I certainly think DoRa will be back with a new identity, one way or another, but whether the amnesia is part of it, we’ll have to wait and see.

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You make a good point there- Do-ra could simply make a choice to assume a new identity, knowing that she has done her best to honor her father's wishes and no longer has the ability to support her family. She would also be giving up on Pilseung but given their last interaction could easily conclude that that ship had sailed.

What will her brothers do now? Do-jun will have to return to Korea and Do-sik will now have to get a real job if he can.

The previews suggest that Do-ra's mom will be living at public expense.

With Do-ra apparently dead we may now get much more about the stories of our side characters.

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Just been through the emotional wringer of episode 15! Wow! How did Jin Dan think framing her for prostitution would bring her to him!

I liked that the news his actions got back to the family so quickly. Looked like Aunt was having second thoughts about giving him the company.

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Many people do not realize that the typical Chaebol does not own the majority of the Conglomerate- and are in fact sometimes vulnerable to the other stockholders. Jin-dan could indeed lose Angel Investments and should given that he has not acted in the best interests of the other stockholders (which include his older brother and his aunt).

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What is truly ironic is that he has been trying to woo our FL in a manner that parallels what his father did to his mother. It is not exactly the same, but it does involve the misuse of his wealth and power. His mom feels like a victim because in fact she was. Jin-dan is simply following his dad's example in his own way.

The theme of this show is not disparities between age but rather the potential for exploitation. We saw this first in the childhood episodes at the beginning where an older woman had 'enjoyed' her inappropriate (although just barely not illegal) relationship with Pilseung and left him emotionally scarred. Jin-dan's mom was also mistreated and has her scars.

And there is even the potential misuse of even well-meaning parental authority as we saw when her parents set Mi-ra up on a blind date. Fortunately, Mi-ra stood up for herself and her parents have listened to her. Mi-ra is a vulnerable adult and poses a unique dramatic problem that few shows address.

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He is portrayed as this dim, cruel, entitled but arrogant and toxic man without a hint of self-awareness who is an abuser. That’s how abusers think and behave. He is absolutely vile.

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I had sympathy for him at the very beginning because of his Mum and situation but that has well and truly evaporated now. He is, as you say, vile!

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In my profession I have had to deal with abusers (of both sexes) on occasion (but fortunately not all that often). You are spot on about how realistic a portrayal we are getting here.

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Can hardly believe I’m writing this, but that’s an amnesia plot I can get behind! Instead of taking a character away from his/her loved ones, it’s offering Do-ra freedom from her awful mother and painful past. Not to mention she experiences unconditional love for the first time from her new “grandmother.” Her downfall was indeed painful, but she got a much-needed reset.

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My thought exactly. I usually lose interest when a writer brings an amnesia plot. This time I almost cheered and for once our FL will be loved unconditionally.

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I could not agree with both of you more. It is as if the heaven's found a way to give her what she missed out on and yet so richly deserved to have. I hate amnesia as a plot device but, for once, it was actually something to cheer about.

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Thoughts I should probably keep to myself, episodes 15-16 edition

1. I totally shipped Do-ra's mom and Gong Jin-dan in that last scene of theirs. The ending credits have a still of them staring across his desk at one another and I think that at least that photographer has the same idea as I do... I mean, love overcomes all obstacles, as a certain young Go Dae-chung once said 😉 💘

2. I'm really going back and forth about whether or not I'm enjoying Pil-seung's "new" two-years-older hairstyle. I really loved his more youthful shaggy style (might have been alone, but at least it wasn't orange!), but now that he actually looks his age, the cognitive dissonance of his hair-to-face mismatch is gone, which is a relief... Oh, the travails of a weekender-watcher!!!

3. The speaking-in-countryside-dialect was hard for me to listen to, even as someone who doesn't speak Korean, not only because (in actually a delightful way) it was clear that Im Soo-hyang exaggerating for effect, just like those glasses of hers, but also because it was a call back to that date in the market--and I wasn't in the mood for a call-back.

OK, now for things I feel I can shout loudly!!!

A. That shaman was the best, throwing that salt at Jin-dan like it was an Olympic sport. The actor did a yeoman's job of holding it together as well 😄

B. Go Do-jun for cutting off ties to your horrible mom right there on the beach after she suggested a "light lunch of tofu stew" without skipping a beat at Do-ra's "funeral."

This show continues to bring light into my weekend, and I bet the amnesia plot isn't going to even last three episodes if the pace of this weekender keeps it up!!

PS: I do NOT like Do-sik's new shorter haircut OR his continued devotion to his mother, and I'm looking forward to our second couple getting more screentime so that maybe Myung-dong can rectify this sitch!!

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You can say it out loud … I’m with you on No. 1. Ever since Do-ra’s mom started pushing her to date Jin-dan, I’ve wanted to say, “If he’s such a great catch, why don’t you date him?”

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wrt "why don't you date him" My wife said the same exact thing.

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Ahhh, I miss the curly shaggy do. I never felt it took me out of the age range he is supposed to be - early thirties - as he just rocked it. And, I dig Dooshik’s short hair. I normally like long hair on many KD male actors but just couldn’t stand his long hair for some reason. We have opposing coiffure views but we can live with them.

On a different note, I feel that the pacing was too rushed and _ I can’t believe I’m saying it _ but I wanted it to slow down. I just found Pilseung’s scenes not as affecting and emotional as I had expected. Something was off. Dora’s death should have been much more profoundly depicted and it just didn’t work for me.

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We got emotional scenes in episode 17 though. Pil Seung was clearly devastated there.

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Yes. I take what I said back given the context of the additional eps. I still like Pilseung a lot except his new found tendency to speak harshly as s director

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His tone of voice was shocking wasn't it!!

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For sure. It surprised me how much I hated it. I just didn’t expect it from him but should have guessed that in KDs, that’s a lazy way to signal irritation and impatience (but also entitlement and general jerk behaviour).

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That shaman was simply special. It is details like that which really add to a show.

I kind of miss the shaggy hair also but maybe the change is meant as a way of showing that Pil-seong even looks like a successful director. He certainly does look older.

Do-sik has a very long ways to go. Myung-dong will have her work cut out for her.

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I really appreciated the change in tone for episode 16. Dora’s new
identify was charming and perhaps gave us a glimpse of who she could have been without her toxic Mum.

And it’s amazing to see that Toxic Mum and Jin Dan both don’t really accept that it was their actions that brought Dora to her terrible decision. Jin Dan’s nightmares suggest at least part of him a sense of guilt. But his inability to see that destroying her reputation so so thoroughly wouldn’t bring her to him is astounding. And what a horrible basis for a relationship, ugh!😳

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Jin-dan is very interesting still to me...he's clearly a complete dog, and yet, there have been worse-behaved characters who have seen redemption in K-dramas. Is he going to end up being a villain through-and-through or a redeemed savior?? I'm truly interested!

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Episode 16 literally started a new chapter in our story. At first, I was upset at amnesia and a two-year time gap. Then I realized what was different about from the colossal mistake that was made in THE REAL HAS COME. That time skip quite literally disrupted the story and effectively destroyed it. The time gaps in this show make dramatic sense in part because the writer found ways to make the breaks in the youngster’s relationships natural.

This story is being told in chapters. The first three episodes were the early story of Do-ra and Go Dae-chung now renamed Pil-seong. They ended with death of Pil-seong’s grandfather and Do-ra’ family fleeing.

The second chapter was the 12 episode drama that could be tiled
“Dora, Apogee, Betrayal and Fall”. In this second chapter our secondary couples meet: Do-ra’s spineless older brother has an inadvertent fling with Pil-seong’s aunt and is ultimately gets cast away. Meanwhile Do-ra’s younger brother saves Mi-ra and they became friends- and then he has to go back to America. They do not meet again until after Do-ra’s fall has caused him to break off from his mom and Hyung. Now he will be Mi-ra’s driver and bodyguard as we begin our third chapter. Part of why the pacing went so well over these 12 episodes is because it was effectively a stand alone K-drama by itself, one that ended with a tragedy.

Our writer has let us know much of what happened in the intervening two years. Do-ra was found by a grandmother who, being more than a little crazy, thinks that she is her long-lost granddaughter- and Do-ra’s amnesia is such that she assumes that this must be so and now goes by another name. In these two years not only has she physically healed but finally received the sort of love that her sociopathic mom could never have given her. Even when her memories return, she will not be the Do-ra that she once was. As for Mi-ra- having once met Pil-seung and fallen in love at first sight she has consistently returned to that same subway station to look for him: If Pil-seung is Mr. Romantic than Mi-ra is Miss Romantic, only maybe even more so than her half-brother.

Meanwhile our two villains have learned nothing, but at least are now clear enemies.

And we know that Pil-sung’s aunt is still writing screen plays that no one buys- not even her nephew who has become a successful director over these two years.

I wonder what we should call this third chapter that we have begun. “Phoenix Rising?”

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I agree that with this drama the time jumps work and are planned rather than a desperate attempt to reset the narrative.

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Part of why the pacing went so well over these 12 episodes is because it was effectively a stand alone K-drama by itself, one that ended with a tragedy.

I am 100% in agreement here that the quick pacing we've all been noticing is (in part) because the writer seems to have conceived of this weekender as a series of concatenated "seasons." I can predict the plot of the next two chapter/seasons...but feel that she must have more in store for us!!

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This idea of season, parts or chapters for a weekender seem both novel and yet quite practical for telling an extended family story.

I hope that you are right about there maybe being even more than we might expect- this new format seems well suited for setting stories that extend over time and I hope that you are right that there may actually be yet a fourth part to this drama as that actually increases the scope for the side stories beyond our OTP.

If this new format for weekenders succeeds, then we may see an even broader range of stories in future weekenders as other writers adopt the new template.

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IIRC, we’re seeing a similar development to the writer’s previous weekender, Young Lady and Gentleman. Not only did one of the leads get amnesia (hopefully just once in this show), but a family member of the FL has moved into the rich house as a driver. Last time was FL’s dad; now it’s Do-ra’s cute younger brother.

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I had not remembered the family member moving into the home as a driver angle. Nice parallel here- but the difference of course is that here it is not the ML's home and this time it actually sets up a potential third relationship.

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The younger brother was clearly very close to Dora who doted on him. It was goid to see his character further developed as a principled and brave young man who has a moral compass and follows it without dubious compromises. I hope he gets to make choices for himself and isn’t forced into anything by the rich family.

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Do-ra's father has told him that Mi-ra sees him as a younger brother while Do-jun already addresses her as 'noona'. In a sense for him Mi-ra may serve as a kind of replacement for Do-ra, giving him a new family member to fill the hole left by the family that he needed to cut off. In any case her parents do not envision anything more than a quasi-sibling relationship at this point.

Further, her parents discovered that Mi-ra was not simply going to do as they say. The disastrous blind date was actually an embarrassment for them, putting a strain on the father's relationship with someone he does business with. They have probably learned their lesson.

But once the birth secret is revealed and Mi-ra discovers that her crush is her half-brother things may change.

It could go several ways but the route that I hope that the writer takes is that it will be Mi-ra's choice to give her heart to Do-jun, who by then will have spent so much time with her that he reciprocates. Please note that this is only one of several possibilities. What I had feared was that Do-jun's evil mom would pimp him to her family just as she did Do-ra to Jin-dan. By having Do-jun separate himself from his family that possibility sems to have been eliminated. It is ironic though that Do-jun is a better example of 'living his own life' than any character in the previous weekender.

That being said I also think that if Mi-ra chooses Do-jun (assuming that she does) then the fact that her family will by then have come to see Do-jun as a brave and principled young man, just as you said, and may indeed try to influence him.

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You’re right about the replacement family angle and a good callback to Dojun hopefully becoming the embodiment of ‘living his own life’. I should say that I still fear Do-jun’s horrible mother trying to mess with him before a possible redemption arc for her begins to take shape.

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Despite being the youngest of the main characters, Ma-ri and Do-jun have demonstrated the ability to stick to their principles in the face of familial pressure/coercion. That’s not a bad foundation for a relationship that seems likely to evolve slowly before it ever takes a romantic turn.

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We cannot be certain that their relationship will ever take a romantic turn, but I hope that it does. Both of them deserve it.

Given Do-jun's baggage and Mi-ra's limitations that absolutely cannot happen quickly. But the beauty of the new situation is that they will now have to spend a lot of time in each other's company- and their relationship will deepen, whether it is romantic or not. But I actually believe that part of the reason that this is even really possible is exactly what you have said- both of them can stand up to their families and neither will be acting out of a sense of duty to their families nor because of familial pressure.

Because these two principled people are actually coming from such a grounded place it is actually possible for their relationship to blossom in a very natural way and that is very crucial because while I do believe that a deep even romantic relationship is possible, I also think that their relationship even then will not follow the standard model- they will relate to ech other in a much more unique way. I hope that this writer is up to that because it would not be an easy task to write that.

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After episode 14 I had actually decided not to continue watching, but the comments here convinced me to give the drama another chance. So I skipped straight to the end of episode 15 and then had a lot of fun with episode 16, so I'm all in again.

I like Pil-seung's new haircut, but Do-ra also looks pretty cute with her curly hair.

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One of the more realistic and sad aspects of this drama is feeling shame and guilt about having a child out of wedlock and fearing being blamed for it, regarded as an immoral woman and hence ostracised. This is no doubt why Pilseung’s bio mum felt she had to abandon him even if she has tried to remain a part of his life tangentially.

Certainly this was also a common occurrence in many western countries until a few decades ago. Clearly, many things have changed in SK and continue to do so for the better but life remains hard for single mothers and their offspring/s. I would like to know much more about how these human rights issues are addressed or sadly not by the Government and the broader society.

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Shame over out of wedlock children is even more prevalent in non-Western societies, where the actual attitude has varied over time: Leonardo Da Vinci's father actually held a big party for Leonardo's baptism and Benjamin Franklin's illegitimate son William was his most successful child and actually accompanied him to London where he was appointed (the last as it turned out) Royal Governor of New Jersey.

The use of illegitimacy by K-drama writers is an almost conscious effort to fight back against the traditional discrimination against out of wedlock children and it seems to have had an effect there as not only are there government programs to support single mothers, but the ROK has the distinction of being the only Asian country with a Child Support agency.

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You might have read this already but just in case:

https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20240328050662&ACE_SEARCH=1

‘S. Korea to boost support for single-parent families’.:

“ In response to criticism that the system is insufficient to help families in need, the government has expanded the eligibility criteria to families who earn up to 100 percent of the median income level.

The government will also place administrative sanctions and criminal penalties on non-custodial parents who willfully refuse to pay support.

The ministry's plan also includes specific measures to improve the child support collection rate, which is only 15.3 percent currentlyA.“

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I was not aware of the most recent developments but was aware that the ROK program started on a fairly limited basis in terms of services and has drawn on both European and American ideas. But even from the beginning they were providing lawyers to go into court for single mothers to establish orders- bot paternity orders and child support orders. It appears that progress is now being made on the actual collection of support.

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I'd like to reiterate here something I've recently found out--y'all might already know this, but...

The Kocowa app has episodes of BMR up hours and hours before Viki. Episode 18 has been available to me for quite some time today but probably won't be posted to Viki for 10-or-so more hours...

Also the Kokowa app/site allows for 1.25+ speeds for when MOM-ZILLA starts shriek-crying over how she deserves the world for having done NOTHINGZILCHBUPKISNIENTENADARIEN.

There's a level you can watch for free but you can pay to get rid of the ads, but right now I'm just dealing with them...

The more you know!

@dncingemma @oldawyer @al118 @marysadanaga @Nefret @michelleb @Gremlich @stove @Mjcsfla1 @dorotka

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Thanks.

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I’m envious of you all as Kocowa isn’t available to me so wait I have to do😱

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Thanks! We don't get kocowa here sadly.

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Hmm...while waiting for my other comment to come out of moderation, I would like to express my continuing affection for this drama!!

Episode 15-16 Notes
I'm sorry, but Im Soo-hyang was simply adorable chanting and hawking her wares on the street during Ji-young's "acting debut." I wanted to find it horrible and cheesy, but she was clearly having so much fun that I couldn't help but get swept up in it!! Also, when Ji-young couldn't decide between helping a very drunk Pil-seung and her tteokbokki...priceless.

Also, 우리 Do-jun is in all the dramas right now, it turns out! He's playing Ki-baek's younger self in Frankly Speaking and I see that he's gonna be in Chase and Connection!! So nice.

Also, with the original title of Beauty and the Devoted I can't say how happy that (a) the "full amnesia" plot has actually ended with the alacrity we have come to expect from our writer-NIM; and (b) that Pil-seung's desire to fully dote on Do-ra is simply aggressively adorable. I look forward to him taking care of her from a distance--even though I know the plot will move on sooner rather than later.

Lastly, Do-sik and Myeong-dong are back in the same orbit!! And now how they'll have to get to know each other again...oh, and he's a fallen man. I just hope the script she ends up writing isn't the script of BMR. That's a tired trope to me, I'm afraid.

PS: We have a new set! Ma-ri's mom's clothing store! I am looking forward to any/all hair-pulling that may happen there.

PPS: I wouldn't mind if Linda Kim becomes a new, spicy-salty character for Jin-dan, someone who doesn't get dropped suddenly like that lady newscaster in LYOL...

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Oops! Episode 17-18 Notes ;)

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Yes, Im So-hyang really sold that "newbie being the street hawker" scene- it was fun to watch.

Thank you for providing me with an explanation why we did not see Dp-jun AT ALL in episode 17- he is just too busy.

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I was really surprised too that I found the hawking scene not only bearable but kinda fun to watch. ISH is so much better hear than in the abysmal Kokdu. The only thing which isn’t working for me is that no one recognised Do ra in the guise of Jiyoung. I just can’t buy it. The old Clark Kent trick of glasses never really worked and here, her voice - despite the accent - build, height, facial features and colouring is all Dora so a DNA test was almost a redundancy. But, having said these, I can deal with this.

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I have the suspicion that she is meant to look slightly different after the operations but since the character is potrayed by the same actress, she looks exactly the same to us (but presumably not to the characters in the drama?).

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As an aside, the huge two story house Pilseung’s mum owns must be worth a fortune. I’m assuming it is in a Seoul suburb or nearby town. No wonder the MIL has been so resentful of her sole ownership given the real estate prices.

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Agreed. As with all real estate these days, though, if she sells...she'll have to move FAR out of Seoul to buy another place and still expect to turn a profit. Or, she'll need to become a renter, which is a real step down standing-wise. I find myself reflecting on the fact that my that house is not worth a dime to her if she also then wishes to own any other property because everything else has become just as, or more, pricey!!

It's the eternal quandary of the retiree here in the States, anyway. If you sell the house you raised your kids in because it's too large (or whatever), you will only be able to barely afford the smaller place for your retirement if you want to stay in the same city. You need to move somewhere else entirely with a different real estate market to realize any of the value you invested in your lifetime home.

...Maybe I should go back to work now 🤣💸💰

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Ep 17-18: I almost forgot what a fine actor Ji Hyun Woo is. He was excellent in these episodes. The pacing is also still going surprisingly well and she is cute as the "country bumpkin".

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I was just here thinking--instead of doing work--about Do-sik's admission that he's broke and how fast it came. As in delightfully fast. Instead of milking his fall for hours and hours, he and Myeong-dong had one chance meeting, and then one intentional meeting where there was a hint of some crazy "noble idiocy/hiding-shame" behavior...and then BAM.

Right there at the end of the second scene, he admitted it. And now she can seek him out...but not without knowing what his deal is. I love it; it feels somehow freeing!!!

Also, that was the HUGEST pile of fried chicken I've seen in a while. How were two people supposed to eat all that? (I know it was supposed to represent bounty, but still...that was a lot of dead birds!)

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P.S.: I love his new look. As endearing as the shaggy hair and baggy clothing look was, this new look is more appropriate for the more mature Pil Seung.

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Were those the fastest drama DNA results ever? BMR is giving me PMR vibes when it comes to pacing and I’m here for it.

The mix of truth and secrets remains on point and so entertaining. Revealed: Do-ra’s identity, to Pil-seung at least. The sad state of Do-shik and his complicated feelings toward Myeong-dong. Still a secret but not for long: The big birth secret. Do-jun’s family background.

🍿Plus, get your popcorn ready: The two villains look set to get reacquainted and I’m sure their interactions will be totally rational and restrained. 😂

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ICAN'TWAITICAN'TWAIT...the look in Jin-dan's eyes when he spotted Mom-zilla...LET'S DO THIS VILLAINY!!!

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