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Queen of Tears: Episodes 7-8

If last week was a rollercoaster ride, this week is the Titanic! As our lead couple come to terms with their divorce and what it means for their relationship, the unrelenting evil quartet delivers a big blow that will take everyone a while to recover from.

 
EPISODES 7-8

Queen of Tears: Episodes 7-8

The good news is: our show has reached its halfway mark! The bad news is: I have just four weeks left to see my oppa. *Sighs in impending heartbreak* Back to this week’s happenings, Hae-in storms off after confronting Hyun-woo about the divorce settlement. And to prove that his character growth is real, Hyun-woo doesn’t play his usual running away card. Instead, he goes after Hae-in wanting to explain everything, but she’s too betrayed to be curious about his explanation. The next thing you know, the Truck of Doom Association contacts its German branch to say hi to Hae-in, but not on Hyun-woo’s watch. Phew!

But at this point, Hae-in has given up on her life, and she tells Hyun-woo not to save her if such an incident occurs again. That’s scary enough, and to make matters worse, the new treatment plan doesn’t improve her white blood cell count. According to the doctor, “It’s those who have something to hold on to who desperately fight for their lives. Even if [Hae-in] gets another chance, it will only be meaningful if she has something worth fighting for.” So Hyun-woo decides to provoke Hae-in into fighting for her life by bringing up the divorce and all his pent-up frustration about their marriage. Now Hae-in’s attention has been successfully diverted from morbid thoughts to vengeful thoughts of ruining her husband.

When BaekHong returns to Korea, Hae-in bans her family from dealing with Hyun-woo. “His ass is mine!” she says, but in a more refined manner. Hae-in storms the office dressed in red because the more upset she is, the fancier she dresses (and the more I envy her closet), and it’s all professional disses and seething best regards between Mr. and Mrs. Hong Hae-in. But Hyun-woo doesn’t care, as long as Hae-in looks after her health and stays away from Eun-suspicious. Hae-in is pretty confident in the strength of her Ulterior Motives Radar — until Hyun-woo reminds her that he fooled her, and he advises her not to make the same mistake with Eun-seong.

Daddy Hong has the Queens scandal prevention team (lol, these guys!) look into Hyun-woo’s private life, but there’s no dirt on him. His only extra-marital rendezvous is with a stray cat, and when the team hacked his phone, they could only find pictures of Hae-in and the cat. Awww. Daddy Hong shuffles between pity for his lonely son-in-law, and suspicion that the team is incompetent because they couldn’t find anything. But hello? These guys once located a target in North Korea! Lool. Okay, these Crash Landing on You references are starting to get old. Park Ji-eun, you’ve written other famous dramas!

Hyun-woo’s professional life also passes the audit team’s inspection, and in the process, Hae-in learns that he has been sending flowers to bereaved staff and donating condolence money in her name. Hae-in is once again reminded of her impending death when she visits the funeral hall, and she tells Hyun-woo that she will resent him until her last breath because he let go of her hand when she was most hopeless. “Even if I lose my memory, I will never forget what you did to me,” she says.

Queen of Tears: Episodes 7-8

It’s almost like fate listened in on their funeral hall conversation, because the next time Hyun-woo finds Hae-in, she can’t remember their Germany trip and everything that happened afterwards. The second Hyun-woo realizes what’s happened, he starts to cry, and this time, it’s Hae-in who initiates the comforting hug. “Baek Hyun-woo, I love you,” Hae-in says, and she’s the only one who’s smiling because the rest of us are in tears. This woman lost a part of her memories, yet she did not forget that she loves her husband.

But as much as Hyun-woo — and the rest of us — wish the moment won’t end, character growth bids him to jog his wife’s memories by telling her everything that happened on the trip. Now Hae-in — and the rest of us — have to relive the pain of the divorce all over again. Thank you so much for this, Show! Hae-in can no longer spend her remaining days with Hyun-woo, so she decides to go ahead with the divorce. But she has no intention of making things easy for her husband, so she hires Vincenzo freaking Cornsalad (cameo by Song Joong-ki!) as her divorce lawyer. Holy smokes. Someone, pick me up from the floor!

From his smooth entrance and introduction with some of the biggest hits of his career, to the background sound effects of the Vincenzo lighter and the Italian dialogues, this Song Joong-ki cameo is hands down the best one yet. The man is literally at the center of the cast and crew reunion venn diagram, and I absolutely loved the meta overload. But what good are cameos and meta when it eventually leads to BaekHong’s official divorce? *Cries in Italian*

When Eun-seong learns that Hae-in has been taking anti-cancer medication, he seems worried about her. And via a flashback to their childhood, we see that Hae-in stood up for him in the orphanage after he was scolded for hitting a dog that tried to bite her. Her locket fell in the midst of the chaos, and he picked it up — and still holds on to it till now. Please don’t tell me he actually has feelings for Hae-in. Ugh! On a lighter note, from her music player with Hyun-woo to this locket with Eun-sentimental, Hae-in definitely has a thing for leaving her stuff behind for other people to pick up. Lol.

Eun-seong tries to get Hae-in to fire Hyun-woo now that they’re divorced, but Hae-in insists that the company needs him. Eun-substitute then tries to pitch himself as Hyun-woo’s replacement, but Hae-in calls off the Hercyna deal — and this is huge because the deal is a sure shot at reaching her one trillion won sales goal! “Do you know what I’ve done in life to become someone useful to you?” Eun-shocked asks, but nobody cares.

“I didn’t divorce [Hyun-woo] so you could have a chance. I divorced him because I felt bad about everything he had to go through,” Hae-in replies, and it’s her self-awareness for me. My good sis has finally seen their marriage from Hyun-woo’s point of view, and this romantic tension between BaekHong and character growth is fast becoming one of my favorite things about the show.

Queen of Tears: Episodes 7-8

Meanwhile, Hyun-woo has caught on to his secretary’s spy activities, and this is what Eun-silly gets for recruiting someone who can’t even send office gossip to the right group chat. Tsk. During their super hot “If you mess with my wife, I’ll do the same to you” confrontation, Hyun-woo notices that Eun-seong’s luxury watch is the same as the one on the wrist of the cropped out person in a picture with the directors involved in setting Grandpa Hong up for embezzlement. It’s a limited edition wristwatch, and a little digging reveals that Ms. Girlfriend is the only Korean on the list of buyers. See? Sometimes, not being able to afford luxury items is a blessing. No one keeps tabs on common items. Just saying. Anyway, how did the watch end up with Eun-stylish? Well, there’s nothing wrong with a mother giving her son a little gift, is there? That’s right, Ms. Girlfriend is indeed Eun-seong’s mom!

As part of their takeover plans, Eun-seong arranges for Soo-cheol’s resort project to run into problems, then he swoops in to “help” the company. Hyun-woo warns the Hong men against accepting the investment from Eun-sabotage because there’s a risk of losing their shares to him if the project goes bust. But Grandpa Hong believes in his girlfriend’s shaman over solid advice, and Soo-cheol is an idiot, so I’m not surprised they didn’t listen to Hyun-woo. But I’m disappointed in Daddy Hong’s wishy-washy attitude, and I wish he took a firm stand.

Sure enough, Grandpa fires Hyun-woo from his director position, but Hae-in stops the security team from retrieving his things. BaekHong might have taken off their rings, but not their feelings. Hae-in is upset that Hyun-woo chooses to stay on in Queens despite the humiliation, but Hyun-woo only puts up with it because he wants to stay in her orbit. Awww. I have so missed their honest elevator moments.

Aunty Beom-ja, the professional divorcee with a history of cheating husbands, is ready to throw hands if BaekHong’s divorce was due to Hyun-woo’s infidelity. “Hae-in is the only woman in my life,” Hyun-woo assures her, and I swoon. Now that Beom-ja is sure of Hyun-woo’s loyalty, she shares her findings about Ms. Girlfriend with him, and asks to team up. Yassss! With a little more digging, team Crazy-Smart eventually traces the line from Ms. Girlfriend to Eun-seong, and it’s time for a DNA test.

In the meantime, Ms. Girlfriend offers to go to jail on Grandpa’s behalf if he is indicted for embezzlement, and the old man is so grateful that he signs over a power of attorney to her — including the right to make medical decisions for him. Ha! Grandpa is so blinded by the “loyalty” that he doesn’t believe it when Beom-ja tells him about Ms. Girlfriend’s hidden past. Unfortunately, by the time Hyun-woo informs him about the positive DNA test result, it’s too late. The shock plus Ms. Girlfriend’s prior poisoning leads to Grandpa’s heart attack, paralysis and coma. Checkmate! It’s hard to feel sorry for Grandpa since he was warned. It’s just sad because Beom-ja really cares about her dad.

As Grandpa’s legal guardian, Ms. Girlfriend bans the Hongs from seeing him in the hospital. With her power of attorney, and all the shares that Eun-shady has acquired over time, the mother-son duo also kick the Hongs out of Queen’s group and Queensville! OMG! The family did not see this coming, and the visual of all the Hong nameplates being taken off their respective desks and thrown into the bin hit hard.

Since the gig is up, Da-hye leaves a Dear John letter and flees to the U.S. with their son, and this is the most devastating thing to happen to Soo-cheol. He might be a little annoying, but he was a good husband, and all he ever wanted to do was parent his son better than he was parented. After being coddled all his life no thanks to paranoid Mommy Hong, it was sweet that Soo-cheol learned how to ride a bicycle so he could personally teach his son to ride. And I felt bad watching him eventually fall off the bike in his panicked state as he attempted to go after his already gone family.

It was a nice change to see Soo-cheol as something other than the dumb businessman and whiny grandson, and I trust that we’re not saying a permanent goodbye to his husband and fatherhood era. I mean, Da-hye has been wavering for a while now, and she seemed to have second thoughts about leaving him, so this most likely won’t be the last we see of her. Their story is far from over.

Anyway, after getting exiled from their own company, the Hongs have nowhere else to go but to their ex in-laws at Yongdu-ri. Ha! I don’t think I’ve laughed as much as I did watching them file out of Hyun-woo’s van right when the Baeks were roasting them for kicking Hyun-woo out. Lool. Mr. Baek Hyun-woo, it’s time for you and your 35 cows to make good on that promise to be by Hae-in’s side even if her family is in debt.

Queen of Tears: Episodes 7-8

As always, we move on to the cute epilogue featuring Hae-in visit to Hyun-woo’s go-to spots as reported by the scandal prevention team. She ends up at his regular diner, and of course he comes for dinner and she has to hide. Lol. Hyun-woo is with Yang-gi, so of course they talk about the divorce — and overhearing this conversation is what helps Hae-in reflect on Hyun-woo’s perspective of their marriage. Hae-in is touched to the point of tears when she hears Hyun-woo say that he chose life with his crazy in-laws because he wanted to be by her side, and this, ladies and gentlemen, is the motivation Hae-in needs to desperately fight for her life because she also wants to stay by his side. Now I’m tearing up.

Love aside, Hyun-woo proposed to Hae-in because he believed that the universe was on their side (even though said “universe” was Hae-in’s behind the scenes chaebol machinations. Lol). Now I need the actual universe to be on their side for the sake of Hae-in’s health, and for the rekindling of their romance. I don’t mind the divorce as much because it affords BaekHong the opportunity to take a step back and reassess their relationship in the light of what they have come to know about each other, and the reality of all they’ve been through in the marriage. Plus they’re finally coming to terms with the beauty that is communication, and this will help when they eventually recommit. They will get back together, right, Show?

I have to hand it to Queen of Tears for always keeping its plot moving without dwelling too long on a particular issue. Divorce settlement? Exposed and resolved. Angst? Done and hopefully dusted. Ms. Girlfriend and Eun-son’s relationship? Revealed and owned up to. Evil quartet’s plans? Bam! Actualized. I honestly didn’t think the villains would get their win this early, and I’m still not sure why they targeted the Hongs specifically. But the drama seems to know what it’s doing, so I’m just going to trust the process. This is the most action-packed week we’ve had so far, and it’s an explosive way to end what has been an excellent first half. I don’t know about you guys, but I can’t wait to see what the latter half of the show will bring.

Queen of Tears: Episodes 7-8

 
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end of ep1 hyunwoo hugs haein, says i love you under duress VS end of ep 7 haein hugs hyunwoo, says i love you and comforts him. the parallel might kill me, if haein’s big sparkling eyes in contrast to hyunwoo’s pathetic sobs don’t do it first….

…. so not to be dramatic. but after haein’s memory lapse at the end of ep7, i cried so hard i got a migraine and then had to take two advils and lie down for half an hour, waiting for them to kick in. lmao.

for ep 8, i took an advil ahead of time, in case. but i ended up cackling at the vincenzo cameo which was by far the most plot twist to twist. is this what the promotional interviews were talking about when they said “plot twists”? because every other plot point was predictable for these past two episodes. not to say that it was bad. just that the show’s plot didn’t surprise me, but it did hit those plot points in a very satisfying manner.

the aquarium proposal shows that hyunwoo still didn’t know about haein’s chaebol-ness yet. so he ghosted her when they were engaged? omg i pray we get to see the flashback reveal of how he found out she was rich. it has high potential to be hilarious.

the wrap up to ep8 has me so hype!! “even if your family has debt”... and hyunwoo brings them to yongduri! i’m very excited for the hijinks next ep~

thanks for the recap c:

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the parallel might kill me, if haein’s big sparkling eyes in contrast to hyunwoo’s pathetic sobs don’t do it first
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The Vicenzo cameo/DOTS reunion was on point! I loved it! It made me laugh like crazy.

“even if your family has debt”, our boy meant every word he said.
I want the chaebol-discovery flashback too!

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my first thoughts at the end of episode 1 and then week 1 were 'I have nothing but QUESTIONS!!!' (mainly about how they got that way)

Episodes 4 and 5 filled in some of the big gaps but the flashbacks are so cleverly planted that they always end up leaving me with even more questions!

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Precisely! 😱 We are fed tantalizing bits with each flashback / epilogue. It really gives depth to their relationship.

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@Cera exactly!! There's still so much we haven't seen, the epilogues are the most tantalising fill-in-the-blanks ever.

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"the aquarium proposal shows that hyunwoo still didn’t know about haein’s chaebol-ness yet. so he ghosted her when they were engaged? omg i pray we get to see the flashback reveal of how he found out she was rich. it has high potential to be hilarious."
I do wonder if it's not funny but horrible for him when he finds out she is chaebol though? Because why else promise to never let him cry? And him running away/ghosting her would make sense if they had hurt him more than just having his pride hurt.

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Well the discovery was horrible enough for him to resign and run away, so ...! A flashback showing both their perspectives would be good. Also perhaps a good parallel in terms of what the want from their relationship because surely they are getting married again.

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I totally would understand if he was simply mortified that she was rich and he had misunderstood her so badly. I would feel stupid too if the guy I proposed to turned out to be really rich. Also, rich people problems are way different than poor people problems

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i suspect that it would lean more into comedy though. just because how many comments he has made about like, how "poor" she is, he was really embarrassed.

but i also think that something similar will happen like hyunwoo's noona's flashback, with the money bribe thing. so that might be related to why haein said what she said.

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Hae-In will be happy that she bought a building in Yongdu-ri, her in-laws won't have a choice :p

The people we love the most are the ones who can hurt us the most too. Hyun-Woo and Hae-In are the living example of it. But there is bo doubt about how they love each other. When they will finally decide to be a team, the villains will regret their choices!

I was so sorry for Soo-Cheol, he's the worst at making business, but he sincerely loved his family.

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I was so sorry for Soo-Cheol, he's the worst at making business, but he sincerely loved his family.

I really hurt for him. He has been so annoying that I didn't think it was possible, but this was a beautiful arc. Well done show.

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This poor actor is so typecast though, isn't he?

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Why? Except Vincenzo (but it was more violent), his roles were pretty different.

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I guess the only other thing I saw him in was Vincenzo and this is such a similar role, lol

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He acted in many other dramas with different roles, sadly not enough main lead roles!

In this drama, he was loved too much and protected so much, he couldn't learn anything.

In Vincenzo, he was bullied and threaten.

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honestly the character is similar but his trajectory in Vincenzo was a bit different from here?

In that drama Jang Han-seo (his character) started off as basically too stupid to live, in this one Hong Soo-cheol is similar but seems to be headed in a different direction.

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Not at all! As Kurama says he has displayed a lot of variety in his roles.

https://mydramalist.com/people/5101-kwak-dong-yeon

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Yes, Soo Cheol hurt my soul, you could see how shell shocked he was.

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It felt like a parallel to Hae-in's reaction to (what she though of as) her spouse abandoning her. Both siblings see their respective spouse as us-against-the-world. They take a lot of strength from that and are shattered with being abandoned.

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Poor Soo-cheol indeed! But as I said in my comment, I think he would be much better off becoming a stay-at-home dad (maybe with a second kid as well?) rather than endlessly struggling to prove himself in the cutthroat world of a business which he is not suited for... (Wifey can set up an acting school with her dissembling talents!)

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I like this ideal life. Indeed best suited for this little happy family. 🤞 Now let's hope Da-hye gets off that plane before it takes off!!

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Poor Soo Cheol, he may be the dumbest businessman there is but he is the best or at least trying his best to be, husband and father to his wife and child. His world just crumbled and its so devastating to watch.

Please give Kwak Dong Yeon another main role. It's been years since Never Twice. I hate that he's been stuck with supporting roles

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Gaus Electronics was 2022 though?

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Yay! for the OTP and their families teaming up. The Evil quartet stand no chance against the firepower of the Baek-Hong combo. But perhaps we'll have to wait for another week as next week seems like more power to evil.

Despite my love for Kwak Dong Yeon I'm unable to sympathize with Soo-cheol. But I do wish he gets his happy family back.

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Soo-Cheol was the pure product of his mother sadly. She shows little respect towards people who are not of her "kind" so he does the same and overprotected him. He couldn't learn and grow up like this.

But with his family, he wants to be a good husband and dad and seems ready to learn for it.

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His efforts to do better for his family are heartwarming indeed. I hope he does get that chance.

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I think he's a miserable product of both parents, overbearing mother and uninterested father. He had his wife and son that made him want to keep trying, so he didn't realize how pitiful he actually was.
Although Aunty can become a little unhinged she is so genuine. She, Hae-In and Soo-Cheol may love little, but when they do...They love hard.

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That scene with the bicycle broke my heart. It was so well done and my heart really hurt for Soo Chul

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I have so many thoughts I don't even know where to start.

1. The writers, cast, and crew should be proud of themselves for creating a stellar drama so far. I want to cry, laugh, swoon, pull my hair out in frustration... I am running the gamut of emotions watching this drama!

2. Baek Hyun-woo the man you are!!! I adore the character the writers have created: beta male, sensitive, thoughtful, kind, naive (how can you not realize she's been renting the places out! 🤦🏾‍♀️), but also smart, sharp, witty, and a lil petty and mercenary too.

3. Hae-in too, I love a lot, but she still owes my man an apology and needs to learn better communication skills, which also include letting Hyun-woo be heard. I'm glad he told her about herself in ep 7. The setting and timing could be better, but she needed to hear it. He deserves reparations from her and her entire family.

3a. Kim Ji-won and Kim Soo-hyun are utterly killing it in the emotions department. Their faces and voices and actions in that rain scene.... Give them the Daesang now, pls!!!

4. I felt so sorry for the Hong family (not grandpa!) but it's obvious from episode 7 that they all needed therapy they didn't get after the oldest kid died. No wonder Mummy Hong spoiled Soo-cheol rotten and now he's a dumbass. Good-natured and lovable, but a dumbass nonetheless. Hell be fine, though - his heart is in the right place.

5. The Baek family is awesome. I know other Beanies have noted how selfish the siblings are, but there's also no question that they support their brother in whatever his choices are. And I laughed so hard when they were trash-talking the Hongs. Solid family, that one. And their mom is the best!

6. I could go on and on. Few criticisms notwithstanding, this drama has been stellar. Acting, plot, cinematography, soundtrack, humor.... And I fervently hope it continues as we go into the second half.

7. Lastly, Eun-sung can go **** himself, but that shot from the scene with Hae-in's necklace dangling from his throat.... 😍(whew!)

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About 7, I had to separate Park Sung-hoon from Yoon Eun-sung to appreciate the moment properly. I wasn't going to let Eun-slime ruin it for me.

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^^ 💯 Same. 😊

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Yeah, that necklace looked gooood. Also, I don't like Eun-sung, but at least he genuinely has feelings and cares for her. Not enough to, like, not take over her family's company and otherwise ruin her life, but still better than I was thinking before.

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Honestly, I am glad they clarified, because I really wasn't sure whether he liked her, so it is good to know he is sincere.

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yeah, I'm not convinced by the 'feelings' tbh. Stalkers have feelings! He is giving off a lot of red flags of entitlement to me - he thinks she 'owes' it to him to be with him (because of all the awful things he's done 'for' her) and that is some toxic sheeet.

Also, she did actually go out with him already, right? (they are exes) so he already had a chance and that didn't work out. I don't see how getting her sacked from her own company is going to make her see him as an attractive prospect ....

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Well, I think the feelings are actually real, but he doesn't know what to do with them because he's a psychopath. He equates love with possession.

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I won't argue with a professional. 😂

*bows out gracefully hoping vienibenmio doesn't notice Cera's random comments here and there*

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Eun-psycho and his delulu thinking doesn't make his "feelings" real. Now I'm thinking since Hae-in's first love is Hyun-woo, she she ever "date" Eun-snake or was it all his imagination. But then she did admit to some kind of dating history at that party earlier 🙄 so ... who knows. 🤦‍♀️ Perhaps a handy flashback may tell.

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I went back and listened to the Korean dialogue between Hae-in and Eun-snake at the ep 2 party and she never actually says they dated OR broke up

that "we broke up on good terms" was the subtitler's version of what she actually said which was just "let's just sum it up as we had a good relationship" (and 'relationship' in this context doesn't necessarily = romantic relationship).

Her initial discomfort on seeing him and her reference to him 'crossing the line' sounds like any non-platonic overtures were one-sided on his part (she also seems completely indifferent/merely annoyed when her frenemy brings him up)

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@pogo1 That subtitle is sure pretty misleading. 😳⁉️

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@Cera - the drama is pre-filmed, I'm willing to admit that maybe the subtitler knows something we don't?!
Because implying that Hae-in and Eun-slimy bastard had an actual relationship to 'break up' over, is quite the change to make!

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I feel like they just went on a few dates rather than dating. I notice that in kdramas, the sequence tends to make the relationship official before actually dating. While in the US, we go on dates to see if we want to be officially in a relationship with each other.

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@pogo1 i do think @asianromance has made a very good point about them dating a few times. (Dis)Grace did say she tried to matchmake Hae-in - who's to say it wasn't with Eun-slug. Perhaps that could explain the subtitles. I'm clutching at straws here as Netflix is not know to have the most authentic of subtitles and from all accounts the dubbing is even more further away from the "actual" spoken words. I guess it just gets highlighted in highly watched dramas. CLOY and Money Heist have been noticeable victims in this regard.

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@Seeker @asianromance - I can see that, I'd mentioned in one of my earlier comments that she could have been set up on a date or two with Eun-schifo* - Dis-Grace certainly was scheming in that direction and took it personally that Hae-in wasn't having it. But like I said, I doubt that there was ever any romantic relationship or even mutual romantic intent there even if she was aware that he was into her.

*(thanks @annieajumma for letting us know how to curse him out in Italian, too bad Vincenzo can't 'take care of' his slimy self but then that'd deprive us of the fun of seeing Hyun-woo and Hae-in do it)

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@pogo1 A blind date (or two) set up by the matchmaker and Hae-in coerced / blackmailed to attend seems plausible. Other than that perhaps she knew him as an acquaintance in the University.

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@Aigoo-ka-choo - yeah Eun-slime doesn't love her, he's got stalker feelings and is fixated on her.

The show isn't clear about Hae-in and Eun-slime's previous relationship, all we know is that they were at university together and knew each other enough for him to get close to her brother, that her frenemy says they should have married, and that Hae-in herself cut him off for, in her words, 'crossing the line'. And in episode 6 we find out her first love was actually Hyun-woo himself, during her internship days.

I doubt she ever actually dated Eun-slime or had a relationship with him even if she was set up on a date or something, it's all one sided on his part and she's been consistent about rebuffing him.

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💯 Thank you for expressing it so well. I too have my doubts about their "dating" history. In his own twisted mind he's set out to become someone she would need and he thinks taking Queens away from her would do that! Sorry about his sob-story upbringing but really the guy is a creep through and through and not even my love for Park Sung Hoon can overcome this *eeks* feeling he gives off.

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Hey @pogo1, thanks, that's an interesting perspective. In fact, it made me go back and watch Ep 2 (what can I say, I'm a nerd!) and I'm not sure that's right - at least according to the English subtitles.

At the event/party where Hae-in meets up with Eun-slime again, she tells him "why don't we just say that we broke up on good terms" which seems a clear indication they were dating....

Also she mentioned that he 'kept crossing the line' and that she told him to never contact her again after they split.

We don't know what form the 'crossing the line' took yet though, but I agree it seems as if she had only ever 'loved' Hyun-woo.

Final piece of evidence I would submit to the court, is the fact that our Glorious Recapping Leader, Unit, called him Hae-in's 'ex' in her recap of Ep 2. And I'm sure she is never wrong...

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@Aigoo-ka-choo - I went back and listened and it looks like the Netflix subtitles took liberties there.

because Hae-in's actual words (in Korean) are: "좋았던 관계 로 정리하면 어떼" - basically 'how about we just say we had a good relationship?" (in my understanding, 'relationship' in this doesn't necessarily = a romantic relationship), at no point during the conversation does she actually say the words in Korean indicating a breakup (and therefore, them actually dating in the past).

It's not entirely ruled out and maybe the subtitlers know things we don't but at least as of episode 8, the actual Korean dialogue doesn't say they dated or broke up.

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basically what she actually said is something like 'how about we sum it up as [we had] a good relationship?'

(after she admitted that she did tell him never to speak to her because he'd been crossing the line but she wants his help with her Hercyna deal and doesn't really care to rehash the past)

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thanks @pogo1 - I love a fellow seeker of the truth! 💖(BTW your mentions aren't reaching me because you're using my display name instead of my user name, or vice versa!) 😁

Thanks so much for the translation. 👏As grateful as I am for subtitles, of course we only get a small portion of the original and little of the nuance, so it's great to have this perspective.

I totally see where you're coming from, and I look forward to having more of this backstory detail revealed in the 2nd half of the eps! (Looking forward to the 2nd half generally tbh...)

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Taking over Queens is his twisted way of making her choose him! So not much better sorry - still Eun-delulu.

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Oooh, yeah. Could give her an ultimatum. He'll let call off the embezzlement investigation and let them have their homes, but he gets Hae-in and the company, otherwise he'll destroy them completely, leaving them with literally the clothes on their backs only.

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7. Not gonna lie, I feel bad for Eun Sung. Just a tiny bit.
I hate him, but that flashback really broke my heart.

4. "Not grandpa!". How dare he hit my auntie Beom Ja?

3. "He deserves reparations from her and her entire family". I want to see the men of the (Hong) family making dinner for the in laws. 😆
No, but seriously, I hope they don't forget to address everything Hyun Woo has been through in the past three years.

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I have no problems with the Hong men cooking my only issue is will it be edible! 😭

I do hope Hyun-woo gets his "revenge".

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In my imagination, Soo Cheol is taking cooking classes to make some cute food for his son when he grows up and has to go

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...to school.

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That would be just so perfect!👌 Hidden cookery talent to the fore.

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I really want all those reparations now. It will be so interesting to see the Hong men labour

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IKR? I hope we get something like that.

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2. The combination of all his traits make him such an attractive hero!

7. I must be completely insane but I really like Eun-snake 😂 - mostly because I’m looking at potential for interesting multi faceted villain. He takes these liberties (how shamelessly bold of him to ask Hae-in if he can replace her husband just like that) but I see this flicker of hope in his eyes somehow. That she can see him the way he sees her. Then he goes all dark saying he’ll get her anyway by any means. Also, I love his staredowns with Hyun-woo. It’s just so riveting to me LOL

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1. oh absolutely, it's an amazing job done to incredibly high standards and without losing the 'classic kdrama' soul of it all. The directing is also pitch perfect, PDs Jang Young-woo and Kim Hee-won add a certain flair to things, my favourite bit this week was hearing Hae-in and Hyun-woo literally speaking through their secretaries, it makes the point about how much their poor lackeys are just mouthpieces in this fight and is also hilarious.

2 and 3. YES both need daesangs!!! Baek Hyun-woo is a walking swoon of a man and I can see why Hae-in fell for him and wanted to keep dating 'normally' for as long as she could but also - the man is OBLIVIOUS, it's insane. My girl was really out there stage managing every detail of their dates to ensure alone-time perfection and he really thought it just happened, I thought the dismissing her obviously rich-girl vintage clothes as 'grandma clothes' was just garden-variety male cluelessness but nope he really was that naive (which is sweet but also blinded him to how much effort Hae-in was putting into everything). She needed to communicate differently and he needed to stop running away or turning away from her the minute there's conflict - I'm glad it's stopped, Germany was a turning point and the divorce forced them to reflect but I think they both owe each other an apology, not just the 'I'm sorry I was waiting for you to die' one and the 'I'm sorry I let my family treat you badly' one (hell her dysfunctional family - especially idiot ma, but minus auntie who's the only person in there who's understanding of Hyun-woo - owes both of them an apology considering how Hae-in herself is treated)

4 and 5. the Hongs are growing on me, they don't seem like bad people at heart even if ma and Soo-cheol are idiots but grandpa suuuuuucksssss and I'm sure Hae-in's oppa's death was also the result of one of Grandpa's Camilla's schemes. The Baeks likewise. I like that the drama made it clear that Hae-in isn't a snob about her in-laws, that's her idiot mother.

6. The soundtrack!!!!! It's just so perfectly used. A harder thing for kdramas to get right than it would seem. Background music and songs all 10/10.

7. mwahaha it's a pretty necklace! He's still a creep though.

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1. That bit of secretary speak was an inspired choice. 👏

2. and 3. Daesang yes please. And mutual apologies and fresh start with new wedding vows and blessings galore.

4. and 5. I think the Hae-in's brother accident will be revealed as casually as Ms. Girlfriend's son. Tragic nevertheless and even more tragic that on one in the family processed the loss or got any therapy.

6. 🎶 👌

7. Creep, creepy, creep. *sings in evil* 🎵

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единственная кто заслуживает извинений -это Хэ Ын. но уж точно не муж тварь который бросил её в сложный момент. она готова умереть из-за развода и поэтому он провоцирует её разводом? убейся.

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There's just a couple of things I don't understand so far

1. From earlier episodes the Baek siblings benefited from Hyun-woo being married to Hae-in how? Apart front he property that she bought??

2. I don't understand Grandpa's girlfriend playing the long con for 20 yrs for what? I'm sure she could've gotten grandpa to marry her or otherwise earlier. So unless it's for revenge, what is all this?

3. Eun-sung wants Hae-in to want him, I get that. But eve if she has to rely on him, why would he think she's do anything but hate and resent him for what he and his mom have done to her family? Sure, Hae-in's relationship with her fam is rocky, but they're also another group that moves as a unit. So why would he think destroying the is the way to her heart?

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I THINK she's mad that she went to prison for their affair (I assume it was theirs) and is going scorched earth now.

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If so, then the love angle between Hye In and Eun-snake does not make sense. Unless he has no clue, and Mon-snake has kept it a secret. That angle made very little sense to me, and I had to remind myself we are only half way through.

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I would assume that, if I'm right, he doesn't know who his bio father is. But yeah, that would make it a little gross--then again, I know makjang does a lot of secret siblings with romantic pairings

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I hope not, that's one angle that truly grosses me out. Even kids who grow up as siblings falling in love is gross. 20 years is a long time. Even by makjang standards my suspenders would not come down to hang by belief on.....

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Most likely I am wrong but there is another posibility. The uncle may be the one with whom she could have had an affair. At the time of the affair I think he was in charge of the company (and future heir?) and not the FL family. If that is the case, it would make them first cousins and not uncle and and niece. Her changing the name seems more plausible with this scenario, hiding the fact that she had a son. If grandpa was the culprit he would have known that she had a child.
It was weird how the mistress was trying not to have her son and the FL at the same table at the grandpa 80th birthday party and she also did not like seeing them together that night when it was revealed that he is her son.

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Then would he be Hae-in's samchon ... urgh ... creep, creepy, creep.

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Can you remind me of which affair? Was it mentioned?

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Mistress Bitch went to prison for "adultery". She gave birth to Eun seong while in prison. She was released 3 years later and almost immediately "died" according to records.

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If Chairman and the Mistress had an affair almost 35 years ago, then he would have known that she had a different name/different identity when he took her in as his mistress 30 years ago. Plus, he was shocked at the news that Eun Seong was her son. I suppose it's possible, but the ewww factor is a bit much.

BTW, I did some research - if she was imprisoned for adultery, the charges could only be made by her SPOUSE - the one she cheated on. So, assuming the writers are following Korea law accurately (and thus far they are doing a pretty good job of it, she was married at the time she became pregnant with Eun Seong.

But why the change in identity?

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Ohhh, excellent point. I wonder what her motive is then

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My theory is:
Unlce had an affiar.
Had the kid.
Grandpa finds out.
Gets the woman jailed.
The woman gives birth to the Uncle's son.
Changes her identity.
Seduces Grandpa
Destroys the family

It's still kinda eww because the Uncle is still alive and looks for reconciliation with his father. I can't recall if the Uncle had a scene with his father with the father's mistress in the room...then this theory is out because Uncle would recognise her.

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First - as I understand it - the only person who could charge her for adultery is Her Husband. The original law (since declared unconstitutional) was meant to protect the innocent spouse and protect the marriage. If writer-nim remains legally accurate, Gramps couldn't have brought the charges.

Uncle tried to see Gramps (his father) when at the Hunting Lodge and he claims Mistress Bitch wouldn't let him in; she claimed it was a lie. She was the mistress for 30 years; uncle was expelled from the family 20 years ago (right after his mother - the Grandmother - died).

There is SO MUCH unknown regarding the 20-30 years ago time period. At this point - as someone who takes notes and loves to analyze the dates/time stamps/etc. - I ask only that the writer-nim isn't playing a trick on us. Red herrings are ok - bald-faced lies/disinformation are not.

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Maybe grandpa got the husband to file charges? So the woman first killed the husband (maybe he was having an affair with the real Ms Mo?)
Unless Uncle is also in cahoots because of his son....but becoming mistress to grandpa is pushing the boundaries of ewwness it even in theory.

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I don't think grandpa found out, I suspect grandma knew but kept it a secret (she might have known the name only and not her personally). The uncle might not have known that she was the mistress until grandma died and he was ousted and from that point they might have worked together. The son probably doesn't know who his father is and might turn against them when he finds out, thus turning him in a positive character.
But this will mean that the uncle would be ok with the murder of his dad (and probably mom) which is very disturbing but possible in that world if he wanted revenge for losing everything, including being a part of the family. Or he never agreed to murdering his parents and will also turn around when he finds out.
That's all I got, trying to make sense of the mistress's motivation for ruining this particular family and making her son take over the company. She could have just live comfortable if she didn't have this motivation but her son would have never gotten what she thinks his rightfully his.

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The easiest solution would have been marriage. The change of identity is def the key. She raised her son in an orphanage that she funded, had him adopted etc etc. But he turned out to be quite a psycho. What happened to his adoptive parents (the way they use America as a prop is always funny to me).

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The adoptive parents died.
I didn't notice the mistress pushing for the marriage, it was only the matchnaker and maybe she doesn't know the whole story. Even if they married, the Hongs would be in charge and she would have been just a mistress.
The uncle might not have been in love with her and just had a fling with her. The husband said it was an affair and we assumed that the baby was not his but the man she had the presumed affair with. We can take it further to speculate that she could have been asaulted and the husband placed her n prison unjustly. One thng is not clear for me: if the son comes from the Hongs why didn't she came public then, she would have been well at least very well financially because she would have been paid off for her silence at least.
But we might be completely wrong and the son is not from either of them (grandpa or uncle). She might have another reason for revenge or maybe it might be just greed.

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@minniegupta1, @kodra , and @seeker, i hope you don't me tagging you but it's taken me 2 days to locate this thread and mention further thoughts about the Uncle.

Uncle Hong Beom-seok may be Eun Seong's father (I really haven't identified a single clue yet on the bio dad) but he absolutely is going to play a pivotal role in the corporate/thriller story arc.

And again, I have no idea how or why. It's 50/50. He will either help save the Hong family (maybe he's been secretly buying up stock for years). He claims he was "falsely" accused of embezzlement and I always figured the Mistress had something to do with that.

OR, and this would be one more uber-makjang moment. . .

He's been plotting with Mistress Bitch all these years after his own father expelled him from the family 20 years ago. Maybe he WAS the one who cut the wire (we only saw Da Hye with the corn). perhaps he is the shaman she talks to.

There's a reason they brought the character into the drama early and then sent him back to Hawaii (supposedly). I originally thought it was to make him a hero, but now. . . . . I'm really leaning into the fact that he's a co-conspirator with Mistress. The ewwww factor of a potential relationship with Hae-in is still there so I hope he isn't the bio dad.

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Of course is 50-50% bit is another posibility. To me it seems more likely due to similar age group and because grandpa didn't know about the son. Unless she said that the son died but evem that seems unlikely because she would have to produce a death certificate. But who knows, the God of this drama can do whatever she wants. On the other hand, the uncle is busted after grandpa starts seeing the mistress so that implies that:
- she blackmailed him into silence at first and then started working with her after she managed to kick him out
- or, like I said, he didn't know who she was because grandpa was hiding her and started working with her after revealing that they had a son
Of course, these are possible scenarios just like those that don't have him as a Hong descendant. But I incline with the former because it gives him a chance at redemption.
I don't think they had a relationship in USA, I think he tried but she never liked him that way.

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Okay I like both your theories although I would like to lean towards the first one that he was framed by the mistress. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he supposed to have been handling the company affairs when he was told (or so he claims) that his father was planning to sell him out to the prosecutors and made a deal with them instead. So I hope he would indeed help out the Hongs.

Omo ... that second is one insane theory. Eww factor aside, it would potentially explain the long con. But doesn't explain why did it take him 20 years to get the company back. I'm assuming he would want to be in control of the company and not leave it in the hands of Ms. Girlfriend and son.

Thank you for the tag. 😊 Please feel free to do so anytime!!

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@kathryn51 As @seeker mentioned, please tag whenever, I love them :-)
It could be that the Uncle is still in the dark, or a red herring.

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@kathryn51 Thanks for sharing that theory, that would actually make a ton of sense IMO

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3. I don't think the way Eun Sung sees the world works with that logic.
I think he wants to be seen as the "best" or even the "only" option.

And being the one having all the cards that she wants —well, that he thinks she wants—, can work that way. He can propose to give her everything back.
I don't think he knows affection doesn't work that way, LOL.

And taking Queens isn't only about Hae In, but also about him being the "precious dog", the dog that you can't hurt or kill.

That's my guess.

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Oh, for Mistress-nim I don't know. 🤔 I'm just throwing guesses about Eun Sung.

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I haven't completely put my thoughts together on this, but I do believe that Mistress is the mastermind and Eun Seong's obsession (devotion?) to Hae-in is not part of her plan.

Her plan was to become rich enough that her son could be with her - she's convinced herself she did it all for him. He, on the other hand, feels abandoned (he never asked to be alone) and Hae-in was the first person who treated him with a bit of kindness while everyone was fawning over her minor injury (compared to his rather severe one).

Mistress appears to be the queen of poisons - and the first death (as far as we know) is the poisoned dog. We may discover that Eun Seong didn't poison the dog - which would turn the entire story upside down. Writer-nim did promise lots of twists and turns. 😊

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Who are your tears for - Hyun-woo and Hae-in!?

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Yep.
Like the Wonder Girls said, they gave me two different tears.
So I love them (cause the love they gave me was so good), but I hate them (cause the pain they gave me was so so bad).

It's a song. Hahaha. It goes well with this show.

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I like your take on this. 👌
But I don't think I can ever "hate" the OTP - the evil gang sure, even the stupid high and mighty Hongs but not our OTP. 😊

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3. I think Eun-sung doesn’t exactly care *why* Hae-in would “choose” him. He just wants her to do it. Also, I don’t think he quite understands what love means - for him, Hyun-woo is just someone who is helpful to Hae-in so she keeps him in her life. Which was cemented most likely in his psycho brain when he asks Hae-in why she won’t fire him, and her response was “we need him in the company”. So, going by that logic, he thinks if he can be more “needed” than Hyun-woo (i.e. he will own queens that Hae-in dearly loves), then she’d pick him instead.

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Agree, born in prison and raised in an orphanage, he has no idea what a loving relationship looks like. His mom hasn't helped by keeping him at a distance while giving him expensive gifts and drawing him into her revenge plot.

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Nurture vs nature. Not sure how much he was affected by his upbringing. Mightily confused and unfairly treated initially I give you that.

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I'm also thinking he may not have had a clear idea of how long it might take to win her over. While the other events are carefully planned, getting Hae-in to choose him is his own private agenda and he's kind of winging his way through it.

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That seems likely. Mom is less than pleased with his side-gig". I think she would rather see the back of ALL Hongs.

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yeah Eun-sung is clearly fixated on Hae-in since childhood since she stuck up for him then, and feels some kind of possessive urge over her (can't say he's 'protective' if he didn't put himself between her and a rampaging boar) and gets quietly pissed off every time Hae-in makes it known her affections belong to Hyun-woo. But as Goyangi pointed out, he's never known love of any kind, not even from a parent or sibling, or a pet (not a coincidence that Hyun-woo and Hae-in are both shown being kind to animals). He has no model for a loving relationship - we have no idea what his adoptive parents were like but they're dead too, possibly at his hands - no surprise he has no idea how to pursue one.

Da-hye at least tricked her way into one and has a child she seems to genuinely love and some feelings of genuine concern for Soo-cheol. Eun-sung just has an obsession with a woman who's repeatedly made it clear she doesn't want him that way and wouldn't even if she didn't have a husband.

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That does seem to be the most logical explanation. Not sure how Eun-delulu's brain works though.

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1. the Baek siblings get money for their business (his) and child's education abroad (hers) from Hyun-woo, it's mentioned in their conversation in episode 1 when they're outside the mart.

2. Something is up for sure and I assume it's some kind of past grudge? Maybe she was connected to someone Grandpa messed with in the course of building his empire?

3. I don't think he understands the way families work and the Hongs are messed up all right - 7 lawsuits between family members and Grandpa's already kicked one son to the kerb. But then, he also clearly doesn't understand Hae-in considering she herself says she originally cut contact with him (in their uni days) because he 'crossed the line' too much.

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1. I think the sister's son studies abroad. But I think it was funded by Hyun-woo, not Hae-in. Maybe just bragging rights. 😭

2. I believe Ms. Girlfriend was Grandma Hong's nurse who conveniently passed on 20 years ago. I think (pure speculation on my part) Queens and the fortune belonged to Grandma and would go to trust (or some such) if Grandpa remarries. That seems the only plausible reasoning for Girlfriend still being Girlfriend. Revenge ... well depends who's her son's father. Also maybe just a cushy gig. After all she has been to jail before.

3. I don't understand psycho talk. 😳

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1. yeah it sounds like it's Hyun-woo who provides those funds, not Hae-in (she had her secretary buy a building in Yongdu-ri but Hyun-woo's hyung still has to pay rent on his gymnasium and that money comes from him).

2. Girlfriend Snake is formally the housekeeper. Makes sense that she entered that house in a service role and weaseled her way up, can't see any other way for an ex-jailbird to manage it. It also gives her control of the entire household and Grandpa himself - she's got everything from the security systems to his food, just the way she wants it.

your point about about Hae-in's grandma (the lady the memorial service was for) got me wondering too - seems Grandpa took up with Mistress Snake towards the end of Grandma's life going by what Beom-ja said. Which is both a total cliché (men cheating on terminally ill wives) and also could explain his outburst about "your mother knew what she was doing to me" or whatever. If the family fortunes were built on her money in some way or tied to her, it'd make sense if she had some kind of inheritance conditions stating that things would pass out of Grandpa's control and to their children if he remarried.

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I think we'll get more flashbacks next week about the evil quartet's motivations and also (hopefully) some (ex?)in-law bonding time. Cheers!!

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How did you know I'm bored at work, Unit? Perfect timing! Overall, I am in love with this drama and I am close to reaching almost Castaway Diva levels of hype for it (I say almost because CD I was rewatching eps before new ones aired, that is an extremely high bar that probably less than 1% of the dramas I watch will ever reach).

Okay, I have so many thoughts. I think I'm just gonna do bullet points.
- I wish Hyun-woo had just told Hae-in what he wanted to say outright instead of saying "I can explain! Let me talk!" But if he did, I guess this wouldn't be romance genre.
- Hae-in's memory lapse was... not physiologically realistic in the slightest, but what a sad and beautiful moment. So, I'll allow it.
- Hyun-woo's plan to make Hae-in want to live by... being super mean to her... has a lot of flaws, to say the least. It's a choice, I'll say that.
- I love Beom-ja, to the point where I have actually learned her name. It looks like she's gonna get a romance with a good guy (Yong-sung) and I am HERE for it. My heart broke for her this episode.
- I actually felt bad for Eun-sung. I'm not saying that I approve of dog killing, but I get why he did it. I bet the dog he killed was the same one that attacked Hae-in. Kudos to the writers. Also, like, did they date once? I thought the show said that, but maybe not?
- The Vincenzo cameo was cute and of course I screamed aloud, but would it have killed them to give us a reference that he's with Cha-young? Like, getting a phone call from her? Since he's back in Korea and all. Also, I feel like this greatly increases the chances that we'll see Se-ri and Jeong-hyeok.
- I feel so bad for Soo-cheol. Oh my goodness. I know that his wife will come back in the future, because they gave her a childhood backstory with him.
- Grandpa is Napoleon. Smart and did well to get where he is, but got complacent and arrogant.
- What is Evil Mistress's motive? Was her affair with Grandpa and that's why she's playing this long, I mean decades long, game?
- I'm really happy for the actress playing Evil Mistress that she gets a meaty, smart role and not just "rich guy's attractive, well dressed wife."
- What a fantastic way to conclude the midway point of the show. It's Schitt's Creek!
- The engagement flashback was so beautiful and, now, sad. I also
- Hyun-woo being tailed only to find out how wholesome he is gave me flashbacks to Crash Landing on You when they tailed Jeong-hyeok and saw him doing honest, upright citizen things like holding doors open and rescuing a runaway baby stroller.
- I'm glad that Hae-in overheard Hyun-woo and that seems to have made things a little less frosty between them.
- I don't know how they're gonna get out of this one since Grandpa legally signed the POA paperwork out of his own volition. But can't they show that Mistress faked her identity and get her in trouble for that?

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"The engagement flashback was so beautiful and, now, sad. I also" I have no idea where I was going with that one - I think just pointing out that Hyun-woo had zero idea how much effort Hae-in was putting in. I laughed really hard at the music part

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To your last point, I think it will be fraud because she has a different identity, unless she legally changed her name, but she is pretending to be dead, so I think fraud will get her.

Also I love Beom Ja too.

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"I love Beom-ja, to the point where I have actually learned her name. It looks like she's gonna get a romance with a good guy (Yong-sung) and I am HERE for it. My heart broke for her this episode".

Same! I really want her to have a happy ending. And haraboji better apologize to her for the way he has treated her for the past years.

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All his kids actually. He might have succeeded in raising a fledging business empire from the ground and has very fine attention to detail, but he definitely failed at parenting. Beom-ja and Beom-seok needs a well deserved apology from him.

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I don't know how they're gonna get out of this one since Grandpa legally signed the POA paperwork out of his own volition. But can't they show that Mistress faked her identity and get her in trouble for that?

Re: her identity. Did he know that she was really Oh Sun-yeong because he was the one she had an affair with? I'm hoping that Eun seong is not his son - too much ewwwww factor.

Grandfather was poisoned with the janggi markers. The way to get that POA overturned is by proving that he was poisoned. It's time for Hae-in and Hyun-woo to team up and sneak back into the mansions and get the evidence! Or sneak into the hospital and get his hair samples! We need some fun back with this couple!

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"The way to get that POA overturned is by proving that he was poisoned."

Isn't it easier to prove that she is not the person she claims to be? She is not dead. If she would have changed just the name it would have been harder but she declared herself dead and got a new identity. That new identity holds the POA and it is a fake one so that would make the POA fake also. I don't know if they could still overtake the business because Eun-whatever is another person that can not be charged for his mother's crimes also. And I don't know if he can change things around now so he would not need those shares after he got in that position.

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How does one PROVE that she is fake. It's not enough to have photos from 30 years ago - but I think the private investigator is probably looking into how she became Ms. Moh. I'm actually a bit worried about him - the family still hasn't figured out how dangerous she is.

However, I just re-watched the hospital scene where Hyun-woo indicates that challenging the POA is his plan of action, so that's probably where the writer is taking us.

Based on something that the Eun Seong actor said in an interview, it looks like there will be more reveals in Episodes 9 and 10 - so perhaps that is when we finally find out her back-story and history.If nothing else, "poison" seems to be high on her list. Dog. Grandfather. Perhaps Hae-in and Grandmother.

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I am not an expert but first of all they have pictures of her and fingerprints when she got arrested and could easily identify her. I am sure the is an easy task for the police to find out, I don't know why the aunt didn't report her right after finding out.

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the engagement flashback was hilarious and also illuminating - he proposed to her TWICE, once before they even began dating and once with an actual ring, and then ghosted her??

I'd have come after him for that with a helicopter too only it'd be an attack helicopter lol.

(I understand he freaked out but ghosting was too far, at least break up in person - and he really did have a pattern of running away or turning away from her first even if it was benign at first, only with Germany are we seeing him actually be the one to go after her to recover their relationship instead of the other way around)

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lol I am at rewatching-episodes point already, but then there was no hope for me because I tore through all 12 episodes of Producers waiting for Queen of Tears to start airing lol

and oh yeah Operation 'make Hae-in want to live by making her hate my guts' is a massively flawed plan, like Hyun-woo my bro PLEASE I follow the logic but it's really frustrating and you're going to need to grovel more now. I'm glad she did overhear him at the end in that restaurant and knows he was sincere towards her, though.

and VINCENZO!!! the cameo was a hoot - I noticed his hair is half-down, which signals that he's not in full mafia consiglieri mode??? and he's in Korea being Hae-in's lawyer, which means he can now freely come and go (and hang out with miss Hong Cha-young)? I choose to believe!

Lee Mi-sook is a veteran actress, seeing her in the cast I knew she wasn't just going to be the sweet, meek butter-wouldn't-melt-in-my-mouth mistress. Love this for her even if I want to pull out Mistress Snake's hair just like Beom-ja did!

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PS: Eun-snake's dog victim was totally the one that chased Hae-in here, the dog owner who hits him is the same one we see in that flashback yelling about how Eun-snake killed his expensive dog (man sucks btw)

Eun-slime and Hae-in knew each other in university but based on their first conversation, didn't actually date - she says she told him not to contact her anymore because he kept "crossing the line" (presumably with some indication of romantic intent). I love that she wasn't having it then, even when Hyun-woo wasn't in her life, and she certainly isn't having it now just because she divorced him. She may have her hands full with a terminal illness but Hong Hae-in is nobody's fool (except Hyun-woo's, you could say, given how quick she is to trust him).

P.S. the fact that the umbrella she's holding over the kitten is the same one that he gave her to finish off his original '30 cows' proposal! OF COURSE she kept it!

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My heart broke for Beom-ja too. For quite most of her life, she has been the apple of her father's eye and then Evil Mistress comes along. I hate Grandpa, but I hope they reconcile. I can't wait until Beom-ja gets her forever love. Screw all those people making fun of her multiple divorces.

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The ending of episode 7 (beginning of episode 8) really hit me.

I bingewatched the entire show in one day, so I didn't really have time to process anything.
At the beginning I thought Hae In was joking about being sick. And then I thought QoT was actually a fantasy drama, and that Hae In's blackouts had something to do with her past life/another version of herself from another timeline or something like that.

That ending really made me realize that there's no plot twist that's going to work like magic and make things better at the end.

I'm scared she's going to get worse and worse every episode. So I feel like my babies aren't being wise about how they should be spending their time.
They have no time to be wasting feeling sorry about anything.

Hae In already said that a month has past, so what are we doing having conversations on elevators and crying alone while eating pork belly?

Tbh, I love Hae In's family —even tho they're too dumb to survive in this cruel world— but I'm glad they're homeless now. So freaking glad.

That Smile You ending brought a smile on my face. I'm here for some family bonding. I can't wait to watch them all support and take care of each other, especially, when they find out about Hae In.
And obviously, I'm here to watch our babies find their way back to each other.

2. Soo Cheol... He's my favorite after auntie Beom Ja.
He tries so hard to prove himself. I would say that, after all this mess, he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. 😂 Every single member of the family was part of this chaos.

And tbh, most of his mistakes don't actually happen because of he's incapable or wtv, but because of his lack of confidence. If the family treated him better, he wouldn't feel the need to jump into every single "opportunity" he founds to redeem himself. He would be more patience and careful, and he would be more open to seek help (and accept that help) when needed.

He's just trying to be the best version of himself for the family he has made, so it really broke my heart to see the same family run away from him.

I'm not mad, Da Hye, so just come back. 😢 Please.
She faked her love for him too well, and she knows it. So just come back, girl. Baby Geon Woo misses his dad!

The bike scene broke me into pieces.

It's so sad that the mom was so hurt about loosing one son that, not only Hae In had to lose her mom, but Soo Cheol had to lose part of his childhood and who knows how many other life experiences.
Aigoo.

3. I want more Beom Ja and Hyun Woo! They're my faves (yeah, you got me, they're all my favorites).

I feel like those two are the ones that should be running business and making all the decisions in the family. 😂

4. I can't wait to see Hae In and mom healing time! All thanks to the help of mom in law. 😉

5. I really hope Hyun Woo's siblings don't do anything. Just don't. Those two stress me out more than parasite crew (orphanage crew).

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She's also being put under more stress, which is bad for her illness! And cancer treatment is EXPENSIVE! At least she prepaid at that clinic in Germany, right?

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She should chill picking up some apple—, I mean, pears with the in laws. And I'm hoping Hyun Woo has some emergency funds under his bed. 😆

Germany happened at least a couple weeks ago, so I'm guessing that's been taken care of. Right?

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He's so smart and was so careful with finances even before they met, I would bet he's put quite a bit of cash safely away somewhere. Especially as he was planning on divorcing.

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My comments keep disappearing so if it appears later i will delete one.
Welcome back, this is exactly why we missed you.

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