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Open Thread #865

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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TAROT, the upcoming Korean TV series of seven self-contained episodes, premiered in 
April at the Cannes International Series Festival with one episode, “Santa’s Visit,” starring “Parasite” actor Jo Yeo-jeong, It became the first Korean series to compete in the festival’s short-form competition section for TV/web series/short programs. Buoyed by the reception, the series’ production company and distributor, LG Uplus' STUDIO X+U, announced Monday that it will release the first three episodes of TAROT in movie theaters in June, then later releasing all the episodes. The thriller mystery series follows ordinary people facing ominous fates after stumbling across tarot cards that predict the future. Each episode unfolds with different stories and separate protagonists, all beginning with them discovering a tarot card.

The movie release will have Jo Yeo Jeong’s episode as well as Dex’s lead role in “Throw It Away” and “Going Home,” starring actor Ko Kyu-pil from the action film “The Roundup: No Way Out.” Perhaps, it is the current blockbuster Don Lee film that got TAROT’s producers to pivot course and release the series as a bundled movie since Koreans this year are actually going back to movie theaters. According to the Korean Film Council's (KOFIC) monthly report on the Korean film industry, April’s box office revenue reached a record high of 63.6 billion won ($46.4 million) last month, marking the second consecutive month of breaking revenue records. March also saw record-breaking admissions, fueled by the huge success of the occult movie "Exhuma." This figure was twice as much as the 31.8 billion won recorded in the same month from 2017-19, before the COVID-19 pandemic impacted the film industry.

Also, the theater release does not stop STUIDO X+U from further licensing to platforms, TV networks or overseas broadcasters.

But this is the first time I recall that a Korean TV production changed distribution so dramatically. Usually, when a film is going to be a flop or underperform, studios would go directly to DVD or cable channels instead of adding the cost of theater film marketing and film distribution costs. Disney did this during the pandemic. STUDIO X+U proclaims itself as a content creator and not just a film or TV production company it must be thinking outside-the-box in an attempt to maximize its star power in the first three episodes. However, it does beg the unanswered question: how did the stars actually get paid when they filmed their roles? Signing up for a web series or small cable distributor like ENA is a small budget/small pay scale model compared to theater film budgets. Also, Korean traditional broadcast contracts have the actors paid after an episode is aired while film actors get paid up-front before filming.

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Very interesting. Thank you. How long does a hit like Exhuma usually take to get to a streaming service like Netflix or Viki?

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It is hard to say. There is one report it will stream on HBO Max in November, 2024 but there is another report that it will stream on digital platforms like Apple in June. It was distributed for limited release in US theaters in March.

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Good to know they do get on eventually

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Well, I'm glad it's getting positive reviews but since it's horror, I won't be watching even if one of my top faves (Seo Ji Hoon) stars in one of the episodes. Together with Lee Joo Bin (mildly interesting after Queen of Tears).

Thanks for the update @welh640

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9TAILEDVIXEN'S THOUGHTS OF THE WEEK:

1. RANT OF THE WEEK

I have switched from Google Play to Kobo for my e-books because Google Play suddenly decided that the country my account is registered in doesn't match the location I am in... which is nuts because I am in the country my account is registered in.

To cut a long story short: I had a long back-and-forth with them which ended with a stalemate - them telling me they can't release my account because there has been "strange activity". Yes, Google Play - that was me trying to buy an e-book while I was travelling abroad (which I had told you about TWICE in the correspondence to fix this situation) because the eejits did NOT tell their customers they are not allowed to buy their digital (yes - DIGITAL) products outside their country of residence.

So now I can't buy e-books nor use Google Pay because of Google's idiocy. No matter - as I said, I switched to Kobo (who showed EXCEPTIONAL customer service to me helping me set it up and troubleshoot any hiccups) and I have other payment methods I can use.

And just like that, they've lost a long-standing customer who has bought thousands (yes - THOUSANDS) of e-books from them.

I've checked and apparently, this is becoming a common problem with many people facing the same thing.

Take note, Beanies who use Google Play!

. GETTING (UN)STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH YOU

I have been making plans for long-overdue mid-career moves and am struck by how complicated it is to do this at this point vs at the beginning of my working life.

It needs proper planning and there are just so many preparations and arrangements to make - one can't just quit jobs/pick up sticks and move jobs/countries.

I'm just happy I'm single and child-free. I heard from married friends that it's at least 50% more difficult making such changes with kids and a spouse in tow.

Any Beanies ever made big changes/moves mid-career?

3. THIS WEEK'S KOREAN WOMEN'S NEWS

(a) Young women in South Korea spend $700 a month on skincare. Now they're risking their jobs, relationships, and status to revolt against the K-Beauty industry.

One-third of Korean women between the ages of 19 and 39 have had some kind of cosmetic surgery, according to a 2020 Gallup Korea poll — 66 percent said they would go under the knife to improve their chances on the marriage market. [

Yet some South Korean women have had enough.

Since 2018, hundreds of thousands of them have taken to social media to post pictures of themselves cutting their long locks and destroying their makeup. They storm the streets in baggy clothes and spectacles.

They called their movement "Escape the Corset."

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/news/young-women-south-korea-spend-150000641...

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THIS WEEK'S KOREAN WOMEN'S NEWS (CONTINUED):

(b) BLACKPINK's Jennie Makes Billboard Hot 100 History As 1st Korean Female Soloist To Chart A Song For 20 Weeks

On May 14, Billboard revealed that “One of the Girls”—Jennie’s collab with The Weeknd and Lily-Rose Depp from their HBO series “The Idol”—was now spending its 20th week on the Hot 100 at No. 97.

With this achievement, Jennie has become the first Korean female soloist in history to chart a song for 20 weeks on the Hot 100—and only the second overall, following PSY.

https://www.soompi.com/article/1661537wpp/blackpinks-jennie-makes-billboard-hot-100-history-as-1st-korean-female-soloist-to-chart-a-song-for-20-weeks

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UPDATED LINK FOR THE "ESCAPE THE CORSET" ARTICLE SINCE MY FIRST COMMENT CUT OFF HALF THE LINK:

https://www.businessinsider.com/k-beauty-women-south-korea-spend-700-month-skincare-2023-5

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Google has been running wild with these mess ups on accounts and locations and vpns! 😑 It is one thing to have a buggy application, completely another thing to have a bug in something as huge and encompassing as Google which messes everything and cannot be undone even by themselves!

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I am just washing my hands of Google Play and Google Pay for now.

Kobo has what I need and I have other digital wallet options anyway.

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Your beauty comment was fascinating. Some people claim about the endorsements interwoven into dramas but they are obviously VERY effective. I am a women who has never worn makeup- a minority for sure- but I love this “Escape the Corset idea.” For 66% of women to wish for surgery is alarming. I don’t think they wanted to marry any more. I have always been happy in my own skin. I would wish that for anyone, no mater who they are.

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I used to have to wear make-up because I worked in a profession where looking sharp and stylish was essential.

Then I quit that profession and started working in two different ones that do NOT need me to wear make-up unless I'm going for a TV interview or doing events (in-person or livestream). The kids I teach don't care if I wear make-up or not (though hilariously, they quite enjoy rating my hairstyles including my brightly-coloured hair); the activists I work with and survivors of gender-based violence I help don't give a fig about whether I wear make-up or not either. What the kids, the activists, and survivors care about is whether I can do my job effectively - lives and futures are at stake.

It was and is a blessed relief, I'm telling you.

I do look after my skin with a K-Beauty skincare routine, that much I will do because it's part of looking after my body. And I do like going to my stylist twice, maybe three times a year. It's part of self-care and looking after my body.

But yeah, I ditch make-up and nowadays I no longer sacrifice comfort for style in my clothes.

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Such an interesting outlook. I never thought about the fact that most women in Korea, from the article, are working professionals where it is expected. I’m glad you have a career now that allows you to be you. Thanks

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I wrote this before but again, for the sake of possible engagement, I'm posting it again.
Why is the back half of W: Two Worlds so forgettable to me? I just saw a video and I was like "they got married?!"

I think I've seen the drama twice and I never remember what happens after he jumps off of the roof. I think he jumped off things like 2 or 3 times haha.

But the reason this show came to mind is because I think it reminds me a bit of Lovely Runner. It has a interesting premise and then somehow just loses the plot while also having moments that stand out with the couple. Is this a pitfall of fantasy shows?

Same thing happened with The Heavenly Idol: interesting premise -> loses the plot

I think I've seen somewhere someone say the problem with W: Two Worlds is the villain was overpowered and then they couldn't really course correct. Personally, I'm not sure what they could've done differently. But I just don't know why the back half is so forgettable to me (until I'm reminded)

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I enjoyed W: Two Worlds enough, but can't remember even the first half very well (I watched it within the last six months). For me, the reason is that the twisty-turny, timey-wimey stuff was slightly too complicated for me to keep in my mind...as well as the "other" comic-based complications that the drama interjected.

In sum, it was too complicated for me, and the resolution didn't make those complexities fall together in one satisfying "Kathunk! Ah, now I get it!" for me (like when you finally find that puzzle piece in a jigsaw). That said, I do remember "who did it and why," ...and I do remember some very striking visual scenes.

Also, apropos of nothing (🤣), I also still really like A-ha's "Take on Me" video: https://youtu.be/djV11Xbc914

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It's crazy to me how memorable yet forgettable that show is to me haha

I'm fairly certain that was my first Lee Jong Suk (with him as a lead) drama. Certain it was my first Han Hyo Joo (I didn't even know her name).

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I belong to a writing group (we write fantasy) and the general rule of thumb is:

If your story world is complex/has complex mechanics, your story needs to be VERY clear and easy to follow. It's all about balance. One of my writing group members is really gifted at this - they create really astonishing fictional settings and then populate it with memorable characters going on adventures that are pretty easy to follow.

I really liked W: Two Worlds and I can remember the story quite well but I think maybe they should have toned it down with the twists and turns or really leaned into some of the more effective twists. Too many twists and most people end up forgetting half of what's happened.

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W: Two Worlds is a longtime favourite of mine and I have rewatched at least once or twice although it was quite a long time ago now however if memory serves me correctly there wasn't a proposal or wedding scene. We were left with the understanding that they would have an ordinary life as a couple for the next 50 years or so.

My first ever kdrama was Romance as a Bonus Book so anything with Lee Jong-Suk is a must for me except I couldn't finish Big Mouth as (throwing myself under the bus now) I find Yoona unwatchable...ouch!

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I just finished watching the C-drama Parallel Worlds. The rules governing the alternate world were so random and inconsistent (at least to me) that I gave up trying to follow them, and just went with the flow. I still ended up to enjoying it.

But oh how satisfying when a show gets alternate-reality/time travel right! Those are some of my favorite dramas: Kairos, Live Up to Your Name, Life on Mars, Circle, Signal, My Perfect Stranger, et al.

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Happy Friday, Beanies! I feel like I've been citing being busy as a reason for not-so-well-prepared posts way too often lately, so today there's one more excuse – power outages lol. Not that it is/was VERY bad, but rather untimely for sure... Anyway, that doesn't stop me for giving yall something at least – how about more lame dancing on top of usual singing? I have no idea why we got so many videos of LYN doing THAT instead of many other possible things he's actually decent at, but alas, gotta work with what I've given. At the very least we all will have a good laugh)))

But some vocals first – to prepare ourselves for the cringe and all. Newest OST and, surprisingly, it's not for his currently airing show like you'd expect, but mobile game “Honor of Kings” and its two main leads having a cheesy romantic duo for Chinese Valentine's Day (May 20th fyi), performed by LYN and Shan Yichun – female vocalist he already collaborated with once on YOUR SONG S3 (I shared it before). Must say, that song was infinitely better musically, but at least we got a whole proper MV this time and they both are madly pretty here. For real – if composer did a job half as good as stylist's, we'd gotten an award winning track! Also mermaidXnon-mermaid ships are super funny by default – once you start thinking about the logistics of such romance... ahem Title is “To be continued”, no subs found anywhere atm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x7kafzGo7k

To cleanse our ears from all the saccharine above let's listen to something more meaty – like this old cover of “The City” (I think... this was particularly hard to translate). That's him freshly post-debut, before any substantial idol makeover – awww, the untrimmed eyebrows! He really does look a bit funny like that)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X27D7VKJFU

More city-themed stuff – this time it's “Moonlight in the city”. Idk what's so funny here for him to smile so much – something about lyrics or was it comments online? - but I feel genuinely attacked, pls tone down your blinding charm, mister!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpxxcWm26NU

You know, he performs certain songs MANY times, which often makes it really hard for me to choose just one video – usually I go for where he sounds the best or it's remarkable for other reason, but sometimes it's a tie and my brain hurts a lot from such decision-making. Guess that's a curse of dealing with madly talented artist – you want to recommend everything because all of theirs is THAT good! Like this song - “A little happiness”, OST of Taiwanese romcom “Our times” – he obviously likes it a lot to sing over and over, not making my job any easier as result... In the end I picked the most viewed clip - that's got to mean something, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB56-cObCeQ

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Not to stick to livestreams alone, here's a stage performance – also an old one because I'm having a blast lately digging his rookie and predebut stuff, he's just so cute in his giant fetus era. Ofc there are certain limitations to it - I'm not gonna share the footage from “before fixing his teeth” period out of respect to man's image, for example (I won't hesitate to massacre anyone who mentions my looks pre-braces and he likely feels the same). Other than that, count on me to share the fun))) Song is called “A million possibilities” and while I'm not the biggest fan of the jacket, at least it's not a fugly curtain robe covering them legs, already an achievement! Why did they do that to poor drummers tho?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVYDXTcj7c

Not to say that he ALWAYS looked funny in his early days – that's far from true. He's particularly hot in some of his old MVs – like here in “Ah tacit understanding”. I mean, damn, boy, who allowed you? This is sensually moody in the best way possible – the colors, the angles, the hands-on-face shots (that was sinful, ngl)! I don't mind to re-use that PD for his next album as well – if he ever finishes it ofc...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3qK7leJ3Sg

Bad quality version with subbed lyrics if you're into weeping hard. Love hurts indeed, huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKg7owaLvO0

OK, enough with sadness, even wet sexy one – let's laugh at silly dancing! First are two practice videos of his HEROES (2024) sect dancing to mandopop (I also shared it before) because why the hell not. Folks say he was the one to choose the song, hah. Guess that means he wasn't beaten blackmailed into the whole thing, right? Final cut version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6dNdzalPa4

And more of an actual learning and practicing process. Feat blink-and-you-miss-it tiny ponytail and utterly unimpressed by her dad's lack of grace Daimi)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvbmTlJ7R3Q

THE TRUTH S2 cast in futuristic styling from upcoming episodes doing some trendy challenge, I believe, wonderfully out of sync (he's not even the worst one, omg!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOy8yvfaDO0

Solo practice – I don't think any additional comments are needed, the footage speaks for itself^^ Was the blatant focus on his... assets really necessary? And then WE are the ones called perverts!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmLuVdbmdJA

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Ohhh love the new goodies! 😘
I appreciate you for all you do to share the Liu Yuning love! 🥰

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Thank you! It is awesome as usual. I must say the videos are much much more interesting with your accompanying comments. ❤

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You're welcome)))
I can't help it, honestly, so good for yall to like my chattiness^^

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Very much.

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And now I'm gonna wonder forever what was there...

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Happy Friday, chingu! Thanks for all the Yuning love!

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Someone please give me insight, why is the SK’s medical staffs are against their government policy to increase the quota for medschool admissions? Aren’t they always understaffed and overworked? (I get the facts from k-drama though, so …). Even so, I don’t even understand why are they have to have a fixed number of seats to begin with. Shouldn’t the number of student accepted is based on how many people passing the required test?

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Fear of competition.
More admissions at medical schools means more doctors in the market in a few years.
Yes, there are shortages of doctors in many areas like OBGYN and pediatrics because many doctors want to practice in the lucrative practice areas of cosmetic surgery and dermatology (which is not covered by national insurance.)
Even medical school professors are against the increases for a personal reason: the schools are not hiring more professors to meet the new work load.

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I may have overreading it, but is it safe to say the residents that are complaining mostly are the one who aspire to be specialist in the aesthetic field? Because if I am an OBGYN, or Peditrician, or ER doctor I would like additional fellas so I can have some sleep.

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One possible solution would be for the government to offer financial incentives for med students to go into specialties where there’s a shortage. The government could also pay all or part of med school tuition in exchange for the doctor spending the first X number of years practicing in areas of the country where doctors are in especially short supply.

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I understood it as such: current medical workers have been asking for better pay/work conditions for a while, got none ofc and instead government now basically threatens them with "suck it up or we'll replace you with all this new blood". Feel free to correct me if I got the gist of this debacle wrong.

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I mean, doesn’t better work condition means more people? Because they are overworked and in need of someone to take some of the load. Better pay wouldn’t resolve the working long hours problem.

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It doesn't seem to me like there is a way to ensure that all those new medical students will choose specialties where more people are direly needed, so to a certain degree protesting doctors are right - more new doctors will likely just increase the competition where it's already fierce while the actually shorthanded areas remain unfixed.

Overall, I think it's one of those situations where everyone has a point... and also everyone kinda looks like jerks rn because the problem festered too much already.

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If I remember correctly I read somewhere that first the medical staffs started asking for better pay and work conditions, and then the medicine universities started pushing for more quota to help ease the work load. The government increased the quota so little that it made everyone angry because they basically listened neither to the universities nor the medical staffs.

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It's my Dramabeans Birthday today. One year old.

I've blown-out some Dramabeans candles, eaten some Dramabeans cake and made some Dramabeans wishes, some focused on the fact that javabeans is back posting and the possible implications of other small changes that have been happening to the staff (Hello, @starrygazer !) and to the interface...others about how I'd like the dramas for the rest of the year to be more engaging and, frankly, less polarizing.

When's your Dramabeans birthday? And even if it's not soon...what are your wishes for the remaining dramas in 2024??

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Happy Dramabeans Birthday!

Is the birthday the day one discovers the site or the day one makes an account?

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Thank you!

For me, my Dramabeans Birthday is the date I first took the plunge and posted a comment. I'd been lurking for quite some time--and had even had an account for quite some time. But I just HAD to defend the ending of Call It Love, so here I am! 🤣

What spurred you to post your first comment @midnight ? I know it was longer than a year ago!!! ❤️

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I loved the ending of Call It Love! Too bad I wasn't here yet to join in the defense!

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I was trying to remember--did you get a lot of responses to your defense of the ending of Call it Love? Because I hated the ending of Call it Love, and would have been sure to respond-- considerately, respectfully, of course, the way i always do--but in such a convincing way that you would have completely changed your opinion, so that your second post would have been a retraction of your first.

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Actually, all joking aside I've had my opinion of shows changed many times after asserting it strongly but then reading the other comments and realizing they had an excellent point--and of course commentators like @attiton have influenced my opinions enormously.

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No, your Eye of Hacja- hadn't yet cottoned on to the fact that I'm helpless in the face of intelligent taunting...

In fact, @jerrykuvira hadn't even said anything in particular incendiary about Call It Love except that it was an "agonizing love story."

I disagreed with Jerry, like you ~always do~, respectfully. ;)

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Wow, the Dramabeans comment censor is averse to Tolkien jokes today...I'll try again without the accented character:

THE EYE OF HACJA-DUR

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This makes sense! I discovered DB on April 2010, but I remember I made my first comment on Scent of a Woman ep 1 , because the male lead sounded so much like my favorite Georgette Heyer male leads! So sometime on July 2011.

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@attiton It might be useful to think of me as the eye of Sauron, watching balefully from a distance. Keep your comments in line, or you're going to have to deal with some orcs!

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Oh wow you took note of the day. I dont even remwmber when I signed up and when I posted my first comment. I will look that up.
I was similar, I did a lot of lurking before posting my first comment. I think I posted as a guest first before officially signing in an account.

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I haven't 😄😄 I just know the exact recap that I saw the first time I opened DB, and I looked up the date for that. And I looked up the airing date of Scent of a Woman. I can never memorize dates 😅

Also, if you had posted as a guest with the same email address that you later made an account with, db automatically connects your previous posts to your account so you can't discover when you joined by your comments.

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Call it Love was pretty much at the top of my list for 2023. I was actually staying in Seoul when it first started airing and was staying near the wall where they walked and sat. The only negative for me was the drip of a sister...

PS Happy Birthday!

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Thanks! Wow, that's quite a real-world connection to Call It Love!!! I'm assuming that the air around that wall wasn't actually, and quite mysteriously, all pink? 😂😉

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I don’t recall the pink but the air was scented with cherry blossoms 🌸

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Oooh, congratz!))) Mine - 2 years as an official beanie, tho I've been a lurker for ~8 more before that - will be somewhere very late in December, few days before NYE, I believe. Need to go back and check - I think I still remember which article I made my very first comment under.

Regarding wishes... More watchable dramas, esp from SK. Less projects cancelled/shelved because of scandals/taxes etc. Less cyberbullying towards artists (why is it always my faves to have this particularly bad - am I some jinx or what?!). Don't see any of that easily achievable tho(((

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Looks like @marcusnyc20 was the muse that spurred you into action 😂

Still have the same opinion about the lack of "edit" feature now? I stand firm in my belief that it's a good thing we can't edit--it keeps the baddies from doing more bad stuff and makes me (a half-baddie??) think just a little bit more before posting!

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Yes, that was it! Lol I really had a very boring NYE that year, didn't I?)))

I certainly can live even without an edit button... but comment preview option to fish out all possible mistakes would've been a wonderful alternative. Esp for a wordy antihero like me who always posts A LOT)))

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Happy DB Birthday @attiton Seon-ha and thanks for the shout out.
I do remember that conversation with @gikata about “The Golden Hairpin” which evolved into “OUR BLOOMING YOUTH” which seems to be having a second life here lol. We were probably two of the few beanies that knew the complicated story behind the creation of OBY. It was a full year after that conversation when OBY finally aired and (whispering) sorry to report I made it through episode 14 (of 20) of OBY and pulled the ripcord.
If and when (possibly August) the cdrama THE GOLDEN HAIRPIN finally airs (I believe on Tencent) I will be there.

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You stopped at the right time with OBY, it only went downhill from there on)))

I'm casually optimistic that TGH who managed to stay not-fully-dead even after all that backstage drama will see the light of day eventually. Now, how watchable it's gonna be after such massive reshoots is the real question.

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My first DramaBeans birthday will be September 12 if going by my first comment (which I think is a good marking point). I was being my usual practical self and helping Blue (@mayhemf) find The Kidnapping Day on amazon Prime.

I popped into DB on and off for over a year, but started regularly reading sometime last summer and then finally made an account so I could start participating. The end of year wrap-up got me posting on my fan wall (thanks to how-to posts you were making last fall Seon-ha!) I'm excited to do the wrap up again this year!

Once I started posting, I haven't looked back. DB is so much fun for me and I appreciate beanies and this unique online space so much. 🤗

My K-drama wishes for the rest of this year: Less threadbare tropes, more realistic portrayals of relationships (c-dramas are spoiling me in this regard), and no more serial killers.

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😅 I do remember this title being so hard to find on Prime! Something good came out of that chaotic searching. Glad you joined DB!!

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Prime wasn't making it easy to find k-dramas at all! I think it's improved, but I'm glad I had a reason to finally join in the fun on DB. Thank you Blue!! 💙🩵

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With you on the fewer tropes and serial killers, and yes, I've also found China has been doing a much better job of portraying complex, interesting relationships recently.

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No way you’ve only been here a year! 🎂 You’ve accomplished so much! You made me look this up, my first post were in January 2011 (😲) but I had been lurking since the beginning.

Yay, looking forward to more years of enjoying your talents!

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Wow, 2011!! That's amazing! I didn't even realize DB had been around that long.

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Yeah, the veterans of that time also include @midnight and @asianromance plus many more...Beanies like @bbstl and these folks are inspirational, full of wisdom, and are often the reason we come out of hiding and join in the conversation!!!!

As an aside, we owe thanks to our DB overlords for some great website management decisions that allow us to see (and even interact!) with the history of this site in its earlier incarnations!!

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You're too kind 😘

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Javabean's first post is dated January 14th, 2007

https://www.dramabeans.com/2007/01/yet-another-side-project/

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❤️ Wow!

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Happy DB Day!
How do you tell when you joined. It’s been less than a year for myself

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@23new2kdrama I don't know of a way to tell when you first made your account if that is what you mean by "joined" (although the admins would know). But the way you find out when your first comment and/or Fan Wall post was is first to go to your profile page here:

https://www.dramabeans.com/members/23new2kdrama/

The tab that says "Comments" shows all your comments and the tab that says "Fan Wall" shows all of your Fan Wall posts. Then you just go to the first one...and look at the date: In your case, December 11, 2023 at 8:15pm PT. 😉

Everyone can do this, replacing your own user name (not your screen name but your at-mention name) where it says "23new2kdrama" above.

In fact, everyone can see everyone's comments and Fan Wall posts this way, so if you want to ensure to interact with certain folks, you can book mark their public account page and be certain to like and reply to all of your Beanie Besties™!

The fastest way to get to another Beanie's profile page is to click their screen name (or their avatar) at the top of any of their comments or fanwall posts...

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Thank you. I learn new things everyday. I joined because I was tired of the adds but so intrigued with what was going on. And I was thrilled to discover the Beanie count. It was love since then💜

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Also, if you are on a phone, choose view desktop site in your browser settings so that you see page numbers at the bottom of the first page of your comments, that way you can easily click on the oldest page. On the mobile view format there are no page numbers and loading more comments will start driving one crazy very soon!! 🙃

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I started lurking before there even were accounts (maybe 2010ish?) but didn't actually post anything until 2013. I haven't found this year too exciting k-drama-wise so far, so I'd love to see that change in the coming months.

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Happy Dramabeans birthday. Your comment influenced me to check mine as well. It is 4/11/2022. The day I first commented and shared my thoughts with fellow beanies.

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It might be a crazy idea but what if we collect all beanies' dramabeans birthday to see who was here the longest. Anyone on board?

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I think that's like asking a "lady" her "age." We'll all always be 35 😉

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😂😂😂😂😂😂

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Happy Dramabeans Birthday! 🎂🎁

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Thank you! It's been quite the year. Lots has changed. Although, not as much as it has changed since 2008, I bet...my Beanie sunbae!!! ;)

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Oh you bet so much has changed since 2008. Despite all that, DB is still a fun space to talk about anything kdrama. 😁 thank you for all you do to help in making this a great place to hangout! ☺️

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Thanks, and right back at you!

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Congrats on this special day I can NOT believe it's only 12 months since you joined the comments and expanded the fan wall world for so many beanies.

My first comment was 8th May 2022 so I just had my second DB birthday and it never ceases to amaze me how much time I spend on here and how great the beanies are.

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Thanks, Reply. You were one of the main reasons that I joined in, and any contributions that I have made to this community have been an effort to mirror your openness and generosity. ♥

I'm particularly pleased to see the Fan Wall Community Watches have taken off!!

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Happy birthday @attiton! I am such a newb I haven't even done six months here yet, but I look forward to celebrating my first bd next year!

Please continue my ongoing education by explaining what the Fan Wall Community Watch is??? Colour me intrigued 😁🙏

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Sure thing...aigoo. :)

Fan Wall Community Watches are where folks get together--not in a closed way, but in a truly open way--to watch a past drama together sort of like a live-watch recap.

Here's one that I participated in for Mad Dog: https://www.dramabeans.com/members/Elinor/activity/1473516/

And there's one recently completed for Our Blooming Youth here: https://www.dramabeans.com/members/Seeker/activity/1580584/

Keep your eyes peeled on Open Thread, WWW and on the Fan Wall when folks start these...everyone is truly welcome to join in if you want to watch/re-watch the dramas!

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Currently we have See you in my 19th life - @claire2009 and @23new2kdrama and we are going to start Soundtrack #1 and Signal soon.

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Thanks for the info my beneficent beanies! 😍
I am kind of interested in the See You in my 19th Life, except... do I remember seeing people complaining that it has a tragic ending?? Not sure if I am down for that if so.....
But definitely interested in Signal. Will these be on your wall @minniegupta1? Or do you think you could @ me when it starts?? If that's not too much bother..😊

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@Aig00iness See you in my 19th life doesn't have a tragic ending, its ending and some parts of the story are just deviated from its source materials (the webtoon). If you and @minniegupta1 decide to start it, can you please tag me when you have comments/reviews/etc for that show? It's my newly found gem. And we'll make sure to tag you in Signal CW, starting mid June :)

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Thanks for your kind words, this DB community has so many generous beanies who modelled how to maintain a safe warm place and I tried to reflect that🥰

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@attiton @reply1988

My official comment was on March 22nd, but I am sure I browsed through for a couple of days before that before thinking whether I should join. I also remember my first reply was to fellow beanie (whose perspective I absolutely love) was @gikata. I just rented a room in the rooftop and planning a party next week ;-)
But it's amazing how much this has come to be a part of my life. I am travelling for the weekend, and I am already missing it which is not a great sign because I am supposed to be celebrating a milestone birthday of a dear friend with a bunch of girlfriends.

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Have a great trip! No fair checking how many notifications 🥰🥰

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I feel a personal responsibility here, for better or worse... Just kiddin'^^

Regarding rewatch party groups - I see that HAPPINESS is probably pushed further into July at this point, right?

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Yes, ~the last week of July, Gikata.

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Have fun at the real life celebration and when you next log in hopefully the weekend go slow will be over and you can catch up stress free.

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mine was Sept 8, 2011... of course i had to comment on the last episode of Myung Wol the Spy -- cuz Eric was my love...

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Eric 🫰🫰

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Happy DB birthday!!

So that post about you asking to get in line wasn't you after all! And you are a younger DB than me!!

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Get in line for what? I'm already in too many lines to want any others ;)

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Happy beanie birthday, Seon ha!
I'm with you, dramas we have fun talking about are the best. Good talk, tho. These days it feels like all I want to do is to diss shows but no, I genuinely would prefer to have something good to say.
I still have hope since the year is young.

Mine was on April 13th (first comment with an account). I'm four years old.😂

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Right? May in particular has been very disappointing for me. I'm choosing silence over complaint, but that also means I don't get to have the fun conversations!!

With luck the true summer dramas will bring more delight for us all!!

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Yeah! Let's hope the second half of the year give us all the gems we're looking for. ☺️

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Happy DB birthday, Seon-ha!

My DB DoB is 12th April 2020. But I knew of DB before that, when I carried out my own treasure hunts. I don't remember when I created an account, but I think I had logged in to like beanies' comments for some time before posting my first comment.

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I don't have any particular wish for the remaining dramas in 2024, I just wish DB would load faster, if it loads at all, because half of my time is spent waiting for DB to load 😂

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LOL. The eternal complaint of a loving Beanie. I have personal experience with the fact that it matters where you are in the world, unfortunately. Those of us in the US have it much easier, I'm sorry to say... I've been in around six countries during my First Beanie Year, and I've NEVER had as much trouble at home as I have had abroad. Grr. I don't think it's our Beanie overlords fault--it's the fact that the internet is only a bunch of gentleman's agreements ;)

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Amen to that😂😂 and wish for some more functionalities

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Jung Ryeo Won, Wi Ha Joon's "The Midnight Romance in Hagwon" Swept Up in Controversy.

https://mydramalist.com/article/jung-ryeo-won-wi-ha-joon-s-the-midnight-romance-in-hagwon-swept-up-in-controversy

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I think they should have waited for the end of the drama to judge the whole message about education instead to judge one scene or one episode. There are Kdramas about school like Black Dog, so I won't see an issue that a drama focused on academies.

Their education system is far from perfect...

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I agree. It seems very premature for them to react so negatively to the very beginning of a 16 episode drama that's just laying down the main conflict and characters. Where the show starts is hardly where it's going to finish, and what story would there be if it began with a rosy, flawless depiction of the relationship between tutors and teachers/hagwons and schools? At most, I could see them giving a short statement to the press about how the depiction so far doesn't match reality, but even that seems like an overreaction to me.

And as you said, it's hardly the case that the education system is perfect, so again, this objection at this stage in the drama seems way too defensive and unfair.

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I'm hoping tvn won't issue an apology here because Ahn Pan-seok is known for his unapologetic social commentaries. It hit a nerve; that's the point. I don't know this rookie writer, but I hope she won't change the script.

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Given that, as I've written, there are very few favorable portrayals of teachers in kdramas, the only thing interesting about this controversy is why they bothered to protest this particular depiction. It must have been the edits of scenes appearing as memes that bothered some at the association.

Anyway, I doubt this "controversy" will gain any traction, although you never know about the policing of Korean pop culture. I'm always shocked when dating "scandals" result in issued apologies.

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Being a parent is physically, mentally,and spritually taxing, its also rewarding and wonderful in its own way.

I feel like people are too scared to admit the first part because everybody will accuse you of being a horrible mother (or father, but men/husbands never get shamed as bad as moms/wives).

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I can't open up to this to anyone in case they will call me crazy/selfish/heartless. But I don't see myself as a mother. I can play with kids for a while but having a kid myself isn't something I wish for or more precisely sth I am scared of.

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You are not alone with this, I am sure there is a secret club somewhere with a growing membership.

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I applaud you for your honesty in this safe space. Making a choice that will affect your lifetime is your right- I wish more people would put this kind of thought into having children. Although I have chosen a very traditional life and feel blessed to have my children does not mean it is right for others. I look at people’s hearts and celebrate their differences and find friends everywhere because of that. I’m not perfect at it but it’s my life goal. You must be who you are meant to be💜💜💜

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It's not for everyone and that's absolutely all right. But even when one does become a parent, this is what I always say - kids make you a different person, and they fulfill a part that's hard toe xplain. However, it's extremely important that parenthood should not define one's existence. they fly the coop in eighteen years more or less, and are checked out for half of those years, but then they also become your pillars on the other side of it.

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The grammar nazi in me is actively hating the typos and the punctuation errors in the post above, but please ignore them because I hate the 'deleted comment' posts.

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I love your comment about pillars. Blessed to see this in my own family although each is a different size and shape, playing a different role.

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Thank you all for your comforting words❤️❤️ It gave me solace ❤️❤️

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Thanks for raising this, it is sad that the gender differences in terms of parental roles and responsibilities and the attached expectations and judgements are still showing up in this day and age.

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Lee Joon Gi had a fan concert this week and during it, fans once again asked him to do a fluffy, cute, modern romance/romantic comedy and once again he said he wants to do one but he doesn't get those offers.

And I just can not see him doing fluffy at all. I feel like it would feel like something is missing if he didn't put someone in a leg hold or kick someone haha

Maybe a romcom where he's a self defense instructor?

I would never want him *not* to get to play a romantic lead since that's what he wants to do, I just can't imagine it in any way, shape, or form.

I can see him doing stuff like Flower of Evil which did feature some romance & the family dynamics. I could even see him in a dynamic like Vincenzo, where the couple has a bit of a flirtatious will they, won't they/protective/reluctantly caring vibe. I just can't see a straight "fluffy" romance.

The last romcom he did, that I know of, was Hero and that was meh. Like the overall show is alright but still meh haha. I liked elements of it but yeah...
Not the greatest show of romantic comedy potential (in my opinion). It's alright and fine.

Again, maybe it's just because I personally am not into romance like that (even imagining a fluffy romance made me gag cause it made me think of alot of cringy aegyo (like in Lovely Runner)).

I didn't watch Tell Me You Love Me and the only reason I'm mentioning it is because it was a love story before older characters. Would that kind of romance fit Joon Gi?

When I read webtoons, I sometimes wonder if any actors could play the roles if it were adapted and I've yet to come across a romantic character that I thought would fit him.

I guess I just have a limited imagination.

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Happy weekend Beanies and keep Beaning On!

My absence last week worried some Beanies, so another belated apology. I will try to redeem myself with this recap!😀

May has been busy. Lots of holidays with beautiful weather are perfect for visiting all the yearly town fairs and hosting our niece’s first communion celebrations in our garden. My body did well enduring all that on little sleep.😀

The most important thing keeping me and my mind busy has been work. My sick leave has finally ended and I restarted work part-time in another department. I seem to have a cool and patient boss for once, so I am cautiously optimistic that things will finally work out for good, since lots of people tell me they have a good feeling about this.😀

Tomorrow I am hanging out in the city with my two friends, as we do every few weeks, it will be lovely to catch up, eat some delicious sushi, and hopefully buy some nice stuff!😀

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What a lovely update! It sounds like many good things have been coming your way!! Have a great time with your friends tomorrow 🤗

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Good to see you here this week. I am on my desk top typing this as it means I can use my under desk treadmill to help burn off the frustration while I wait for my comments and likes to post. If I had been using my iPad as per usual, I would have added lots of happy emojis.

How lucky for you all that the decent weather meant the first communion party was outdoors, happy memories for your niece and the rest of your family.

So happy to hear you are settling well into work so far. Enjoy the rest of May with all the fun activities you have planned.

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I'm glad everything is going well at work. ^^

I hope you have a great time with your friends. ☺️

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Life is moving forward in many directions for you. 😊 Hope you had a wonderful weekend and a happy working week. Take care. See you in the next OT. ❤

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Oh! Also during his fan concert, Lee Joon Gi mentioned how in the past, dramas were filmed and then like immediately aired (were filmed concurrent with the airing)

And it made me think about do people appreciate that shows are now finished or maybe mostly finished with production before they air or do people miss the old model?

Personally, I appreciate the shows being done rather having them at the mercy of fans/viewers' reception. Especially in this time of social media. Oh my god, can you imagine the effect people would have on shows if they were still being written or filmed to appease everyone.

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I'm always trying to explain my love (and hate) of romance kdramas --why some of them I find particularly affecting, with scenes that I watch several times, while others I end up totally despising. (This is apart from the issue of whether they end satisfactorily, the ending being something I am often disappointed in.)

I saw this thoughtful review of Anne Hathaway's new rom-com-- https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-idea-of-you-and-the-notion-of-the-hot-mom -- "The Idea of You" a movie which, with its noona romance and critical portrayal of netizen fan culture, sounds as if it was lifted from a kdrama. But this particular movie aside, what I was interested in was the reviewer's assertion that rom-coms are primarily a vehicle allowing viewers to "transform shame and insecurity into wish fulfillment." The reviewers argument is that viewers identify with the main character's (usually female) humiliation, and then triumph vicariously when love removes the shame.

So in this movie, the reviewer argues, the shame is being a fan of a good looking male idol, but the triumph is being a single mother so attractive in various ways that the good looking idol falls in love with her.

Of course, I immediately thought of Lovely Runner, where the FL definitely moves from being a fan, and one that is humiliated because she is in a wheel chair, to being a loving "Mom" who has to sacrifice to save her stunningly good looking "boy" who loves her without reservation.

But I'm not so sure that the vicarious move from shame to triumphant love is what always appeals to me in romances. I certainly like the triumphant love part--but very often I'm turned off by the shaming, especially when its performed by initially obnoxious male leads. But then I'm thinking , to go back Lovely Runner and others--are serial killers the stand-in (very extreme stand-in) for male shaming? and is that why they appear so often?

Anyway, anyone have an alternative theory that explains why they like or dislike kdrama rom-coms?

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Thanks for the really interesting comment! I think it is an interesting theory regarding shame/wish fulfillment in rom-coms. I find most rom-coms follow very similar underlying themes that seem to cross culture and media (romantic novels). There is nearly always a very beautiful heroine that must overcome obstacles. Those obstacles will be overcome with the help of a handsome and caring man (man will become caring if not from the start). Queen of Tears follows these themes completely. The idea that it is shameful to not have a partner in love seems to have a grain of truth to me. Another possibility is the idea that the only antidote to shame is finding love. That could explain why viewers get upset with sad and/or love unfulfilled endings like Yumi’s Cells. I don’t know that the serial killer theme is a way to shame men but may actually be a stand in for the idea that the woman cannot be safe without the love of the man. Strong Girl Bong Soon is a play on this theme that I have always found very creepy. Bong Soon may be safe because she has special powers and has a man, but other women will not be safe and will end up in cages. K-drama rom-coms are my least favorite genre. I love romantic stories but I find the underlying themes unsatisfying and predictable.

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Thank you for your reply @amfalulawatching It seems to me that a lot of romance kdramas place the woman as the ML's savior and or therapist; escaping the serial killer is not necessarily a declaration of powerlessness but rather independence from (again, extreme) male dominance.

But I do agree with you that heterosexual rom-coms in the end make the argument that not just love but a lifelong partner is the only antidote to the dilemmas faced by the main character, (who is generally the heroine.).
Still, as someone who is one of those disappointed by the ending of shows like Yumi's Cells, or another show that comes to mind, Dr. Cha, where the heroine's triumph is her realization that autonomy and self-reliance will supply all the happiness she needs, I will justify myself by saying that I like to think that while, in real life, romantic love should not be thought of as necessary for self-fulfillment and independence, it can in fact be a facilitator of self-assertion and independence. I remember @jerrykuvira made this point about Dr. Cha--why couldn't she free herself from her oppressive husband, achieve medical success, ride a motorcycle AND accept the love of Dr. Kim?

I guess the reason I prefer rom-coms to kdrama genres such as sagueks or modern day political intrigue/corruption stories is that in those, the entire theme is the nature of political power--whether its pursuing power or the corruptions of power. In contrast, the fantasy of love as a solution is very appealing to me!

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...why couldn't she free herself from her oppressive husband, achieve medical success, ride a motorcycle AND accept the love of Dr. Kim?

She totally could have. In fact, usually "she" does. Only this time, she didn't.

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With any entertaining story, there needs to be a believable journey of the main characters. There needs to be a real world factual foundation/experiences so a viewer can believe in the characters and how they solve their problems. In general, the main problem with recent rom-coms is that they lack balance and a complete story. They are either light on the romance or light on the comedy.

There will be always obstacles in the main couple's way (friends, family, work, miscommunications to now serial killers) to the finish line. Shows are having a harder time sticking the landing.

I do not buy that watching TV shows such as rom-coms is viewer "wish fulfillment." The only wish the average viewer has is to be entertained and not insulted by a bad script, bad acting or bad direction.

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I'm totally with you on believeability, even in fantasy rom-coms. Despite how fantastic the premise--time travel, ghost-human interactions, reincarnation, superpowers, grim reapers, etc. if the human motivations and behavior don't ring true throughout than the story is not going to appeal.

As far as wish-fulfillment in rom-coms, I guess that does depend on how much identification viewers experience with the main characters. I generally empathize more with the female characters than the male ones--perhaps, going back to your first point, because I find kdrama male characters generally less plausibly written than female ones. But obviously, there is a limit to which I, as an older male viewer, can live vicariously through a much younger heroine, so my wish fulfillment, if that is what I'm experiencing, would have to be general--the enjoyment of seeing love triumph, for example, or the victory of an underdog.

Whether that common viewer sentiment is more prevalent in rom-coms I'm not sure, but I do think it is a common viewer motivation, although certainly not the only one, for many stories across all genres. The wish to see justice, or the triumph of good, or the emotional satisfaction of romantic love is probably not necessary for entertainment, but it has kept me watching shows that I would otherwise not find entertaining!

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Rom-coms aren't my favorite genre because they tend to follow very predictable plot arcs (couple meets, couple breaks up, couple reunites), but I'm weirdly simplistic in that when I do watch one I'm looking for sizzling chemistry and a fun sense of humor (that whole romance and comedy thing), and I'm not sure how shame figures into either of those things in a meaningful way. Believable emotional beats are a nice addition as well, especially if the show has a more melo or slice-of-life vibe.

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I find that all kdramas genres--even slice of life ones--follow really predictable tropes, so one's preference just depends on whether those tropes "speak" to one's perspective or not.

Its true that with a couple of major exceptions (noble idiocy being one) I find romance tropes to be more appealing, and generally funnier than those of other genres, but I agree the best rom-coms are either ones that sell the romance as something that includes both physical and emotional attraction, OR are smartly self-aware, making clever fun of the tropes as they employ them.

I guess if you think of the way rom-coms employthe very common "redemption" trope, that's where the shame comes in. I can actually see this in pretty much all the recent romances I've watched, although I agree what the reviewer calls "shame" is not necessarily what is overcome, or redeemed.

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Tropes are definitely a k-drama thing and quite widely spread around, but my rom-com issue is more of a structural problem and one that extends to the genre in general, not just Korean ones. There tends to be a lot of tension and excitement up until the couple gets together, and then the writers flounder around for reasons to pull them apart to fill up the second half of the show. The best romances find ways to do this that feel believable and creative, while the worst ones insert amnesia, noble idiocy and trucks of doom (or, god help us all, serial killers).

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When analyzing my favourite rom-coms, I find that the journey the leads have to make is more on the mental than the physical side. They grow up, but in a way that make them richer emotionally but not necessarily in terms of money or caréer advancement. This I can relate to, even though I'm neither candy nor chaebol. I Am Not a Robot comes to mind.
Dramas I haven't liked (or liked but have difficulty remembering) take the route of happiness equaling successfulness through changing your outer circumstances. I dunno, every work place has its challenges, the process just starts over. It leaves me hollow. A good rom hurts at some point. The ending might be bad, but life is too. I can forgive this (mostly) - and more importantly, forget.

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