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No Gain No Love: Episodes 3-4

It’s contract marriage o’clock, and our heroine belatedly realizes she snagged an original luxury item instead of the knock-off she was shopping for. But it’s too late to back out now, and the show must go on!

 
EPISODES 3-4

The week resumes with Ji-wook’s tuxedo transformation that slackens everyone’s jaws at the wedding shop. Like monitoring spirits — which they embodied all week — Woo-jae and his wife are also present, and while the wife swoons, her husband stews. Woo-jae can’t believe his ex is getting married to a younger and more handsome man, and his jealousy increases when Ji-wook invents a childhood connection love story with Hae-young. Pfft. This groom has watched too many K-dramas. Woo-jae starts working on the math: if Hae-young and Ji-wook are childhood friends, when did they start dating? Is Ji-wook the reason she broke up with me? Did she start dating him immediately after our breakup? But coming from a two-timer, X + Y = itZ none of your business.

Meanwhile, Hae-young is not pleased that her husband-to-be did not inform her of his lethal face card. But maybe this is her wake-up call to start paying more attention to him. Ji-wook, on the other hand, can’t help but remember all Hae-young’s words and actions because he has a crush on her his brain is a “computer” that registers the details of her private life she spills without a care at the convenience store. Okay, genius.

We move on to the last stage of wedding planning: the proposal. Ideally, this should be the first stage, but what does order matter in a fake wedding? Hae-young needs video highlights of their romantic history to be played at the wedding. But maybe what she needs is a psychiatric evaluation, as Ji-wook says. Because who goes around alone with their camera to fake being on dates with their partner? Lol.

Ji-wook ends up planning a thoughtfully cute proposal which is true to the nature of their convenience store relationship. He arranges cup yogurt by color to spell the “marry me” and gives Hae-young a ring made from her favorite brand of jelly — which has been discontinued. But Ji-wook called the manufacturer and other stores that carried the product, and bought out the last batch in stock. “You said it’s your favorite and I wanted to see you happy,” he says to Hae-young. And anyone who says romance is dead clearly has never been swept off their feet by a K-drama male lead.

The wedding ceremony finally arrives, and we get a glass of melancholy margarita when we see Hae-young’s mom in the waiting room taking pictures with her relatives and friends. This is part of Hae-young’s plans for Mom to say goodbye to her people and vice versa, and this leaves Hee-sung and Ja-yeon with misty eyes. We’re also treated to a side-eye sandwich when Hee-sung catches the bouquet, and the significance of the action makes her boyfriend of ten years uncomfortable because he’s a chronic cheat. And she knows this, but she has chosen to ignore it for reasons best known to her.

Following the ceremony, we get a taste of honeymoon hotdogs — but ain’t nothing ~hot~ about the newlyweds staying up to count the congratulatory money. Heh. I did appreciate that Hae-young and Ji-wook were comfortable around each other and didn’t fight over the division of the bed like many a K-drama couple stuck with the one bed trope. The attraction is there, there’s a hint of awareness, but there’s little to no awkwardness between them. And I love it.

Counting the money leads to a conversation about trust, and Hae-young notes that she knows next to nothing about Ji-wook. Ji-wook then reveals that his mom moved to Canada when he was young, and his grandmother made him promise never to visit her because Mom’s new family don’t know about him. But for a while now, his mom has been trying to invite him over even though he always turns her down. This wedding was Ji-wook’s last resort to get her to stop trying because he is “planning to start his own family,” and I like that he also has a stake in the marriage.

Hae-young is pleased that Ji-wook trusts her enough to share this part of his life with her. And as someone with mommy issues of her own, she tells him to do whatever he wants regardless of his grandmother’s wishes. Hae-young might joke around with the “husband” tag, but she means it when she says Ji-wook is her priority and family, and he’s touched by her words. Ji-wook and Hae-young part ways the next morning, and in a voice over, Hae-young tells us that was the last day she saw him. Mini time skip to three months later, there’s already a new part-timer at the store (cameo by Byun Woo-seok!), and I don’t mind buying Kopiko for the rest of my life if I had part-timers like him and Kim Young-dae at my local convenience store.

In a serving of dramatic dessert, Gyu-hyun’s long-suffering secretary, YEO HA-JOON (Lee Yoo-jin), was high school classmates with Ja-yeon — and she had/still has a crush on him up to the point of naming the male lead in her webnovel after him. Aww. Ha-joon remembers Ja-yeon used to write children’s stories, but she’s too shy to tell him she has a different fanbase now — and she’s amassing more by the day (viz., Gyu-hyun stumbles on his mom’s tablet PC and is traumatized by the level of spice in her reading collection. LMAO!)

Gyu-hyun spends an entire night binging Ja-yeon’s Spice Up Our Love novel. But since he can’t bring himself to stop his mom from reading the explicit stuff, he decides to leave Joseon-level hate comments on the “debauchery” he chose to feast his eyes on. A sensible son would get his nose out of his mom’s business, but Gyu-hyun would rather “break the writer’s pen” with his comments and rob his mom of her only source of happiness and escapism. Smh. Ja-yeon has never been fazed by negative comments, but the intensity of Gyu-hyun’s bile shocks her, and she decides to sue him. Get him, girl. Do not settle!

Chairman Bok is furious when the summons arrive, and he storms into Gyu-hyun’s office to beat him up. You just know the Boks are the definition of a forked-up family when the son writes hate comments, the dad has affairs, and the mom insinuates that her son is predisposed to cause trouble because he has his father’s DNA. Tsk. For a man whose moral compass is faulty, Chairman Bok is not accepting of other people’s mistakes, and he threatens to disown Gyu-hyun if his name appears in the tabloids. This is most likely why Madam Fangirl admonished Gyu-hyun to stay vigilant if he wants to inherit the company.

When Gyu-hyun mentioned that he’s his father’s only child, his mom’s reaction suggested that she won’t be surprised if there’s another Bok offspring out there. And her statement about Chairman Bok “getting rid” of a problem from his philandering days also points in this direction. Putting the pieces together, I wouldn’t be surprised if this problem has something to do with a certain someone in Canada. In all of these forked-up family moments, though, the show’s humor always shines through, and that’s one of the things I love about it.

Gyu-hyun shows up at the police station looking like a bum to hide his identity, and Ja-yeon lurks the premises to catch a glimpse of her hater. But when they bump into each other, Gyu-hyun is taken aback to see his nemesis in the flesh, and Ja-yeon is shocked by how normal — polite, even — he is. The meet-not-cute changes Ja-yeon’s perspective as she realizes that seemingly ordinary people can be vicious behind their computer screens. The scene also highlights how Hae-young’s actions have cemented her place as a very important person in Ja-yeon’s life — from defending Ja-yeon’s writing dreams to judgmental teachers in high school to running to pick her up from the police station.

Circling back to our newest couple, Hae-young wins the in-house contest and becomes the leader of the TF team. Yay! As for Ji-wook, we see him visit Hae-young’s mom at the nursing home — which is surprisingly opposite his goshiwon. Coincidence? Maybe. But was it also a coincidence that Mom had a moment of lucidity at the wedding and addressed him as “My Ji-wook?” Ji-wook leaned in to reply “it’s me,” and now I wonder if he was among the dozen children Mom fostered. So there’s a chance he wasn’t lying about his childhood connection to Hae-young after all.

Ji-wook gets a mysterious visit from a mysterious man in a mysterious car, and the next thing we know, he shows up at Ggulbi Education with a brand new haircut and a suit! Hae-young is shocked to see her husband among the new recruits, and he swaggers up to her with an “I missed you, ma’am.” Yes, she missed you, too, but that’s not the point. Who are you and what have you done to that mini mane of glory the part-timer who was not interested in getting a corporate job? It seems this man is out to destabilize Hae-young every week with his transformations, and I’m here for it.

Two week in and I’m still having a blast with this drama. It’s a super entertaining and easy watch, and even the bits of melo surrounding Hae-young’s mom’s story and her regrets about dad’s passing don’t dampen the mood as much. Now that Ji-wook has shown up at Ggulbi, he and Hae-young are going to have to keep up the happily married ruse. And you know what that means? Noona romance, hijinks, skinship, kiss kiss and fall in love. Ha! I can’t wait.

 
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😭😭😭😭😭😭 The hair is gone. The glasses too!
I am going to miss their convenient store banter

I love this show even in the full trope mode. It’s just so much fun. The actors and writing just works for me.

Hae-young Is such an interesting character and I love her. Even if her words are prickly at times she is someone who genuinely cares and is thoughtful.

The chemistry is fire!! The hotel room scene was so awesome I don’t know if I can handle the future!!

So Ji wook is one of the foster kids and I am glad the show didn’t try to build the suspense to the last minute. We audience know it already. We also have some idea that he might be a chaebol son. lol.

Our other couple. I really liked how the show handled the trolling. He did bad and hope he realizes how terrible his behavior was and makes amends wholeheartedly. We know he is a good guy so I have hope.
His scenes with Secretary are a hoot!! I can I just ship these two please 😜

I love this show a little too much and it’s ruined all romcoms currently airing and had to drop them all.

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Also, the proposal was so swoony!! I melted. So thoughtful and so creative. For all his whining the boy pulled a fast one and we were all in a puddle.
Uri pang pang couple 🥰

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Why pang pang?

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Mustard Pang Pang Jelly was the PPL/Proposal and the ring!!

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Is mustard really the flavor inquiring minds want to know. Or is it the brand name?

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@koalatown I am glad it’s not just me querying this as it seems to be a weird flavour for jelly which I assume tend to be sweet or make a point if they are not like being sour.

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I actually googled Mustard pangpang jelly... No luck. It does seem weird, hence no surprises it was discontinued! It seems to be unusual flavour season... Love Next Door had the durian lollipops too.

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I think even already he felt bad about what he wrote, that's why he was hospitalized and he even said it was having a negative impact on him

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I think maybe he got himself all hot and bothered writing all those commentaries. It was a bit too much for him. Landscapes of hot-and-botheredness lures or lurks in his near future. Hehe

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Haha, indeed they do. He has no idea of the height from which he will fall 🥰

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at this point I would love a spin off about the Ceo and the Secretary, the actor playing the secretary has such great comic time!

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Yes! I would love a buddy comedy with those two guys lol

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I assume he's gonna be in the spinoff, even though it sounds like the majority will take place in the world of the novel

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They are the best comedy duo! "You make me read a dirty novel, and then tell me you pictured me while you read it" 😂

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And ‘why are you taking your secretary for your gym workouts’ !! Pfftt

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Haha yes 😂 Poor Secretary Yeo, but I hope he never gets transferred

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I am also going to miss the whole convenience store setting, particularly the extended door chirp - one my favourite characters so far.

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I think Bok-gyu and Ja-yeon would be so cute together!

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💛💛💛 I liked how they handled the trolling too. It wasn't minimised. I think he'll realise why what he did was wrong beyond the threats of not inheriting the company.

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I wonder what younger sister Ja-yeon knows or remembers about Ji-wook. She gives him a couple of long looks that might be recognition, including during the wedding procession, and she’s the one most frantically signaling “NO” when the bride and groom are told to kiss.

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Haha so conflicted with hair, i hated it in episode one but then it kind of grew on me then they do this time jump and they cut hair now i miss it too! I wish the glasses remained tho 😅😅😅

And yes! I feel like the show has been hinting he's a long lost chaebol, probably the half brother of Bok-Gyu haha

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I liked these episodes better than the last and I'll keep watching, but only because I have nothing on Mon-Tues. It is still just okay for me. Idk if I am going to like the show for our 2Ls though. Hmmmm

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The balance is kinda weird, I have the feelings to get 90% of Shin Min-Ah and 10% of Kim Young-Dae. I hope the story will be more balanced between the FL and the ML in the future.

JW is very mysterious. He knew her mother and he accepted the wedding because of the mother. But if HY seemed angry with all these kids, it looks like she cared about them. She helped our spicy writer. So shouldn't she remember him? I'm not so a big fan of this trope, but we will see.

The Grandmother was wrong for everything... Let him show his eyes and handsome face! There is nothing wrong with them. Separating a kid from his mother didn't help any of them...

Heo Jeong-Min made "awful boyfriend" his trademark in KDramas. HS needs to learn herself and to see she deserves better!

I wonder if Kwon Yi-Lin really never knew about her boyfriend and HY.

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I think Yi-lin suspects... hence the questions in the car ride.

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I thought she didn’t. She seems nice. May be HY’s word that she can choose a different wedding gown was some foreboding.

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I feel the grandmother meant well, it's the execution that's a little misguided. I think the wisdom she was trying to impart to him was to not over rely on his appearance. I like how the show is playing with this in a subtle subversive way.

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I don't think so. She was pretty clear that it was the beauty of his mother that made her life complicated.

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The cigarettes makes me chuckle because it's like they're combining the fact that cigarettes seem to be shown in dramas more often nowadays with the fact that THEY ARE BAD FOR YOU!!! Like do you actively want to increase your chances of cancer and/or stroke? No judgement but some judgement but just know what choice you're making. Also when she's shown smoking, I don't *think* it's acting shown (but I don't remember) but I think she's shown from behind and there might be billows of smoke.

That's gotta be weird and an ego boost at the same time to have an actual montage of you just being fangirled over due looking good in a suit/tux haha

But I do kinda love how excited the shop attendant and Yi Lin were haha. Like "THIS is the reason I work here/dreamed of weddings" haha

I knew or suspected that Ji Uk was one of the foster kids shown during the first episode. I think there was a boy shown. (Then again, maybe he wasn't that particular boy). I found it a bit more surprising that the mom remembered him. But maybe he's been visiting her since she's been in the hospital and keeping in touch with her while everyone didn't know?
The use of the waiting room so ALL the foster kids could come, take pictures, and speak to the mom was really sweet.

I actually liked his version of a proposal. I get that for a high powered office worker (or probably any real mature woman) it is immature or as she said "wouldn't cut it" but it was just sweet and cute to me. I just liked the effort to be considerate and fairly original/unique to their dynamic.

I like their dynamic in general! The hotel scenes had me like☺️😊😁🙈 haha

I don't really get the grandmother telling him not to visit his mother cause it would ruin her new life yet the mother had been reaching out to him. Ah, familial relations are weird and hard because to me, he has reasons to be quite resentful and yet he seemed quite caring to the grandmother to the point he's still respecting her wishes.

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There was one boy shown and they dwellt on him in a way that said "Childhood Connection". So much.

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The shop attendant and Yi Lin were us fangirls. Swooning and gasping 😂. I loved that scene!!

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I adored the proposal scene too! I think it worked because as you said it was so aligned with their dynamic and their history in their convenience store world. And also, those are all things HY loves. Even as a mature woman, I'd rather have a proposal that means something to me rather than trying to fit society's conventions. The feeling I got from that scene was that JW knew HY. It was lovely and swoony.

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So I just started watching this show after reading the raves here, and you all were so right! I LOVE it. It's been a long time since I felt this way about a drama. This is also the first drama in an even longer time where I love and care about the entire cast, even secondary characters (uh, minus the ex, but his wife is precious so at least there's that).

If anyone's been reading my fanwall they will know that I am especially in love with the second leads. They haven't even technically met yet (well, not officially) and I am rooting for them. I think it's because they have such strong and interesting characters. I'm going to be honest, I feel like up until now Lee Sang-yi has played pretty bland 2MLs. It's SO FUN getting to see him have a personality and act kind of goofy. And Ja-yeon definitely has my heart. They're hitting tropes I adore, like enemies to lovers, one of the two being in love with someone else at the start, person who doesn't believe in love falling in love, and romance writer who has no actual romance experience. I also can't wait to see the dynamic between Ja-yeon and Gyu-hun's mom. I am assuming that he will apologize for his comments and it does seem he already feels bad about it, so I'm not really worried about this being a toxic relationship. I am SUPER curious about what he wrote that triggered Ja-yeon's (I'm assuming) PTSD. I'm also curious about Ja-yeon's history that the drama was alluding to is really terrible. Anyway, I want the spinoff, like, yesterday, lol.

I'm gonna be honest, I love the main leads but they interest me less! I love how this drama deals with female sexuality. No blushing and stammering women here. And the whole "Gyu-hun learns his mother is a sexual being" thing was great. It reminded me of Big Mouth where all of the girls read a historical romance novel and the boys are just baffled that, wow, girls have sex drives, too!

I'm assuming that the ML is the CEO's illegitimate son and, at some point, ML was a foster child with FL's mom - so, when he said they met as kids, he wasn't lying (and I knew he wasn't lying even before that, because this is a Kdrama).

I love Secretary Yeo and his relationship with Gu-hyun. Not gonna lie, I don't really find that actor sexy (cute, yes, sexy no) so he SHOCKED me in that scene from the romance novel. Talk about smoldering. I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns who wrote the character that shares his name. Speaking of, why didn't Ja-yeon just say that she writes romance novels? Is that too close to the truth, too?

I like the complex characterization of Hae-yeong's relationship with her foster sisters. It's not a black and white thing, she isn't perfect and she does let her bitterness show, but she also cares about them and in many ways seems to try her best.

I'm also INCREDIBLY intrigued about what's going on with Hui-seong's boyfriend. Are they in an open relationship? Did they break up and won't tell...

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Oh, I was so close to making it!

... Did they break up and won't tell anyone? Is she just turning a blind eye?

I really hope this drama stays this good. Her Private Life really lost me at around ep 12, so I'm hopeful because this has only 12 eps and the second leads are taking up a lot of story time.

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I have a strong working hypothesis about the middle sister and PD-nim. By hypothesis, I mean, I know KNOW deep in my bones what is happening there. I think my whole neighbourhood does as I yelled it at the screen.

But loose lips sink ships so imma endeavour to keep it in...she said while smirking suggestively.

I really need to sit on my hands or hide the keyboard.

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Is there any way you can tell me? Like maybe on my fanwall? I am super curious and don't mind spoilers (especially if they aren't even guaranteed)!

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I have actually considered another one of my infamous office pools but upon reflection I do not think it's appropriate in this particular instance.

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Office pools - you mean betting on whether yes or no?

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If it's something you know because you know how these kinds of narrative works, it's your right and almost duty to say it so that you can say "I said so" later, or so that others can say it to you.
If you have other sources, I agree - sit on those dainty little hands of yours.

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Oh I am totally going to say: SEE I KNEW IT!
That is a given.

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Anyone can say that. For it to be valid, you must have shown you knew it first.
Except, as I say, if you have read the script or talked to the actors etc, then it's no fun.
Only qualified guesses can be shared, but then also if you are 100% sure.

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I think it might be the reason why someone might have a “boyfriend” but doesn’t seem to care if he is seeing others—a false front or passive non-correction because she isn’t ready to tell her sisters. Given how this show has been very frank about sexuality, I think this may be it.

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She seemed upset about the earring, but not upset in the later eps so that's why I'm confused

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This is what I think, too. Remember that scene of Hui-seong on the couch and Hae-young makes a comment about her texting with her bf of 10 years and giggling? And Hui-seong looks nervous and caught out for a second? My first thought was that she was texting with her girlfriend, and not her "boyfriend." Yes, we saw the two kiss on the lips goodbye, and he made a comment about how sexy she looked, but there was something there that suggested these two aren't really passionate about each other--i.e. they're not actually a couple. And why pretend to be one? Because Hui-seong isn't ready to come out yet. That was my thought anyway. Considering how this writer has framed sexuality in the past and in this drama, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Hui-seong is gay.

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It would explain why she's been dating for 10 years without any movement

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I thought in that scene Hui Seong thought Hae Young suspected the boyfriend was cheating. Wasn't the scene something like the writer saying she wonders what he's doing and Hae Young said he's texting some girl?

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Oh, that is very possible.

I hadn't thought of that. I had the same view as @Britney. Seemed like Hae Young already knew about the boyfriend's cheating and she may have already talked to Hui Seong about it or stayed out of her business.

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I think he's just cheating and she's just accepting it because she doesn't want to lose him for whatever reasons.

Another variation might be they aren't "officially" a couple but "casually seeing each other" so he's free to date around/not have commitment to her.

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I think that's more likely (just because this is a Kdrama) but I could be wrong)

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I guess we're all going to be watching Ja-yeon and Bok-gyu's spinoff drama then XD

also, yes, I was not expecting the secretary's actor to be... like that... in that novel scene.

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As to why Ja-yeon didn't admit to her crush that she writes romance novels, I think it's because she writes erotic romance, and she named her ML after him. I think the combination of those two things was just too embarrassing for her to admit to her crush. Plus, even though this drama depicts female sexuality in a more realistic and open way, I think it's fair to say that in Korea (or in the US for that matter) a woman stating that she writes erotica would probably be met with at least some discomfort or outright disapproval. So her reticence made sense to me.

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That's what I was wondering: would being a romance novelist in Korea automatically be equated with writing erotica? Here in the west it definitely has that stigma, but I was wondering if it's even stronger there

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Writing erotica has a stigma in the US? Granted I only know of one erotic author and her heyday was years ago but she was on the New York Times Bestsellers list (I think). I think multple of her books made the list.

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There's this view of the romance genre as smutty books with shirtless men on the covers, and nothing more. A lot of people also call erotica romance, because they would rather say they're reading romance than erotica. That's why Emily Henry has gotten soooo many articles written about her and her books, because there's this (imo, unfortunate) view of "these books aren't like other romance books."

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@vienibenmio ahh, you mean like the Fabio covers in the 90s and cheesy innuendo names?

I thought those types of books were different from erotica books.

So there's levels for romance and smutty books?

Wow, I have never once wondered about these distinctions haha

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I am so from olden days. I do not think of sex when I talk about romantic novels.
But then I guess that modern stories I have read where romance was in the centre of the story were YA books. The sexscene I remember best from those is from "Am I Normal Yet?" and I won't spoil, but that scene was deliberately not sexy. (I strongly recommend the book, though).

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I think it's likely that writers of romance in Korea have to field the same type of tiresome, sexist responses and assumptions (you're not a REAL writer, your books are silly bodice rippers, anyone can write romance, etc) that people make in the US. But again, my understanding is that Ja-yeon doesn't write romance novels; she writes erotica, which is a different and much more spicy genre that people mistakenly confuse with porn.

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Oh, she DEFINITELY writes erotica, but romance is closer to what she writes than children's story, so it's less of a lie. Lol

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I love the sisters too.
These days FLs don't have families, they have roommates. So I'm happy to see sisters being sisters.

I'm also curious about Hui Seong's "boyfriend".
I'm not sure they're actually in a relationship. And if they are, then it could be an open relationship because they both seem to be seeing other people.
Maybe they have been friends for a long time and she told her family they've been dating this whole time because she's hiding something else? Maybe she's gay?
Or maybe we're overthinking it and at the end she's just ignoring his cheating? Who knows. But they're really making me curious.

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No blushing and stammering women here.

Yes. I'm appreciating this too. I mean women can blush and stammer all they want as long as that's not all we are expected to do. I like how this show is centering the female gaze and sexuality.

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Exactly this... While I still love the romance of Kdramas, I'm beginning to lose my patience a bit with unrealistic depictions of physical affection... It's like there's no middle ground between virginal, prudish behaviour, and the explicit depictions in movies and shows like Queen Woo. Older shows actually were more realistic, I feel.
I can't help but compare a Chinese show like Will Love in Spring, with all its censoring, but still so beautiful and natural in the way they showed attraction and natural affection between a couple.

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‘ No blushing and stammering women here’ —-> this! After a lifetime of Western series I found k drama very refreshing. But women acting like prudish nuns is losing its appeal to me. Balance, helloooo??

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It’s a fun watch and proves again Shin Min-na is the romcom queen.

I can’t wait to see more interactions of the second couple and Lee Sang-yi is brilliant here. He’s such a prof if you check out the BTS for his reaction acting. No wonder there’s a spinoff of the second couple - but does it mean this current drama has no room for their relationship to blossom?

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I have the same qn. May be their arc won’t get into romance in this drama.
LSY stole ep 4 with his acting. His whole acting when reading the smut novels along with the BGM was absolute riot!! He was just so good.

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It's sooo nice to see him in this fun role! I've seen him a few times as side characters and then a villain, but this one is already my favorite. ^^

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I think that Gu-hyun is gonna fall for her this drama, but she won't fall for him until the spinoff (although there may be seeds planted).

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Shin Min-nah has indeed a talent for comedy !! 👍🏻 I love the character, very subtly portrayed

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The scenes with the web novelist and the ceo made me wonder if that's really how malicious commenters are handled. Do they really make the commenter read their comments?

The whole situation also made me feel like it's a bit of commentary on people being critical of content just because they don't like it or are scandalized by it. Like just because they aren't into it, then the content shouldn't exist at all. Even though people *choose* to watch and/or pay for it. Maybe I'm just interpreting it that way haha.

I did wonder what the ceo could've written that was so bad that it darkened her whole room but geez, he wrote over 100 comments and over half of them were malicious?! Why? For what reason did he feel the need to read EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER just to comment on how he was outraged by the content, I ask even though I know people literally do this everyday haha. But to even become sickened over your own behavior to end up bedridden? That's crazy.

After learning that these characters are supposedly going to have a spinoff, I wondered how that could possibly work especially since they hadn't had any scenes together. I was not expecting this to be how they came together. Plus there's also the secretary so I wouldn't think the web novelist and the ceo are meant to end up the couple here. I wonder how their relationship is gonna develop. Seems like it will get worse before it changes for the better.

I know it's probably wrong but I did laugh/chuckle when the secretary was like "is this a new form of sexual harrassment?" Haha
It's just such a ridiculous situation and he is just funny to me. He weirdly seems to hold alot of power in his dynamic with the ceo yet not enough to get the transfer he wants haha.

Speaking of the secretary, why does he think she writes children's books?

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To take the last thing first: Because that's what she did when he knew her, back in high school or whatever.

I think the CEO got rid of some internal t-t-tension by writing those commentaries. But the tension and the resolution were both too much for him.

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It seems to me like he just kind of had a rage blackout. I've had patients describe those (obviously it doesn't remove responsibility, just sheds light on the mindset)

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He was mad at the content (more like turned on but didn't know how to handle it, he was mad that his mother reads it, he was mad he couldn't stop reading it, and he was mad that he kept envisioning his secretary as he was reading it.

He was just going through.

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As I said, t-t-tension.
(I want to have Frank N. Furter here saying "I see you shiver with anticip .......pation!" but you'll have to look up the gif yourself).

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I didn't remember her saying what type of stories she wrote, just that she wrote stories. Thank you for clarifying because I wondered why he thought she wrote children's books or adult fairy tales. Sidenote: I'd never heard of fairy tales for adults.

I *did* think it was some sexual frustration/tension since apparently he's never done anything but it was still alot.

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It makes me wonder too how malicious commentators feel in real life after spending a day hating like that. Unless you are just truly a horrible human who has no feelings, I imagine you're likely to suffer some kind of mental distress spewing such vitriol (or whatever it is that drives online commentors) ...eventually.

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The whole '' What about our baby '' scene was hilarious, I replayed it so many times, love the bickering between these two.

I wish Ji Wook would have gone full Makjang Drama ML and said '' I am sterile '' or something similar just to add to the drama and to embarrass Hae Young.

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I loved that scene! I think the show does unexpected humour really well. Like in the hospital scene when the Secretary was going off about Gyu-hyun imagining him while reading explicit scenes 😂.

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LOL that was hilarious.

I just hope mom stops reading the novels/changes author before her son becomes the ML of those stories. 😂 That would send him to the hospital bed AGAIN. And mom would never be the same.

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Oh my God you somehow managed to make this even more hilarious

I'm thinking a lot about the spinoff and how the dynamic will be. I'll post on my fanwall in case it's considered a spoiler

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Didn't even think of that OMG 🤣

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😂😂😂 that's so funny.

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That scene had me laughing so much... Secretary trying to figure out the physics behind what they were doing in the book, with actions!! :p
And of course, the bottle-squeezing (maybe I'm reading into it too much?! But hilarious to me nonetheless)

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That's hilarious because I do the same thing when I read sex scenes in romance novels ('wait, they're in this position now? but I thought they were...')

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LOL me too @vienibenmio. I can NEVER follow those descriptions. They are incredibly confusing 😂

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LOL. Poor high school kids. First they left the store because of her, then almost had sympathy for her and the baby only to return to their original state of disdain for her. I am going to miss the convenience store scenes so much.

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Gaah, me too!! I loved that scene. It's felt like every side character is supposed to be in this show.

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This week's episodes said thanks to 5 people (I think it was 5) for their cameos but I only recognized 3.
- The seemingly rich pair who Hae Young rants to about Ji Uk being a hidden lottery ticket (actors from Strong Girl Namsoon)
- The replacement part timer at the store (actor from Lovely Runner)

Does anyone know who the other cameos were?
I was thinking maybe it was the employees giving out samples but I don't recognize them.

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I watched Strong Girl Namsoon and, while I recognized it was the same actress, I did not understand that cameo at all. Shows how much that drama has stuck with me

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I knew it was a cameo mainly cause it was so random and I recognized angel dad from castaway diva (I didn't recognize the actress). I didn't know they were both from Strong Girl Namsoon until I watched a recap and then I thought "Ah!" Haha

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The part timer was the villain and SML in Nam-soon.
I didn't notice the rich couple. If it were simply Nam-soon after marriage, that was pretty funny. And it would make their story a good deal better if Ryoo arose from the dead and became a convenience store part timer.

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Oh yeah!!!!! Haha
I totally forgot he was in Strong Girl Namsoon! Haha
After I literally just saw the recap of it. I remembered him being from Lovely Runner

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But Why, Cecilie? You were the one who stuck it out for that whole drama...could you hazard a guess as to why all these SGNS characters are here? Is it the same director or something?

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I stuck it out, too, and I think it's just because the director is the same

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Hmm...that's still relatively distressing news.

Cecilie, is that your read too?

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Well, the OTP became less and less interesting during that drama, so if that counts as an excuse ... I'd rather I had never seen a cop idealized while stamping on the leg on an arrested person lying on the ground with that leg already broken and in plaster.

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Maybe we can pretend that Ryu didn't die and is now working as a convenience store clerk. He's about to meet his real true love any day now!

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I mean that about the OTP as an answer to why I didn't spot the cameos. Except for Wooooh.

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I didn't know but if Kim Jeong-sik and Kim Jun-shik is the same person, then that's probably it.

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It is. MDL has the director as the same guy.

I'm just going to place my hope in the fact that the writer is the same as Her Private Life which was really quite thoughtful and good about the self-contradictory nature of obsessive fanship over male idols in Korean culture until the very, very predictable rom-com ending.

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That last line so sadly very much.

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I mean, I was SO disappointed with the ending of HPL, 1) because she lost her personality, and that whole ninja-like thing that made her an anonymous legend in the first episode. Why? and 2) because she acted as if she had some game going with the male lead where it was her object to make him think they were going to have sex and then "cheating" him from it. Tasteless. To me, that kind of coyness is so vulgar: Have sex if you want to, Miss FL, and say no if you don't. [sigh].

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There were 6 cameos from Strong Girl Namsoon so far including BWS as replacement part-timer; Ji Wook's grandmother; Hae Yong's father; PE Teacher. The rich couple were not actually a couple, they played their characters in Namsoon (as boss and long-suffering secretary).

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Aww thank you!
I didn't even realize all those other cameos.

Now I'm wondering if the Namsoon actress and the male lead will make an appearance. That might be too much but still

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The male lead is in the army, it's why he couldn't promote the Strong NamSoon drama.

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I tried to google "cameos Nam-soon in No Gain No Love" but it was all just about Byeon Woo-seok. I can't remember all those people so if anyone has screenshots, I'd love to see them.

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I believe it was @oldawyer who noted the similarity of this one to a classic U.S. screwball romantic comedy, with its somewhat hardbitten, cynical FL(s), dialogue that is often pretty witty, a surface cynicism about romance and sex, and absurd situations in which you know what is going to happen, but regardless, still cause laughter, at least for me. I had no idea that Shin Min Ah was such a good comic actress and I think that so far, all the actors are really excellent in their roles including—I have to give him credit here, because I’ve joked about him in the past—Kim Young Dae.

The highlights for me:

1. The FL filming herself doing pretend Aegyo. Including falling down dizzy when pretending to be spun around by her fiance.

2. The post wedding where at every point they ran into each other, the wife of the ex-boyfriend called out to the FLand waved, giggling, all the way up to their next door rooms.

3. The mother reading the Spice of Love and the phrase “girthy instrument." (That was the translation I had—I don’t know what the literal Korean was—if it wasn’t that, I give the translator kudos for capturing the ridiculous euphemisms that appear in this kind of racy fiction. The hilarious beauty of the ridiculous phrase “girthy instrument” is that if you weren't reading a sex scene, no one would have any idea of what you were talking about unless you gestured toward a nearby tuba player. (Whereas if I referred to a book’s “tumid” or “tumescent” prose, there would be some suspicion that I was using a double entendre, and that suspicion would be correct. )

The hyper reaction of the son-president to reading his mothers book, including hospitalization and typing comments on how Sejong, the creator of hangul, was “turning in his grave.” Something about the image of Sejong (at least how he has been pictured in a couple of sajeuks) rolling around in sexual tumult because of a racy scene made me laugh.
The interactions between the assistant and the president—both of them are really funny, even though the roles they are playing are totally cliched. The popcorn the assistant pulled out during the was clever.

One final thing, of course, this is not a U.S. screwball comedy, so there has to be mother trauma (on both sides!) something I’m not too happy about, BUT I thought the scene on the bus, where Nam Ja Leon talked about how scary it was that ordinary people could be that vicious on the Internet, really hit home for me. (Fortunately, there is none of that on Dramabeans!)

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Sorry, typo, not Nam Ja Leon but Nam Ja-Yeon! Sejong must be rolling in his grave!

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Oh God, I forgot about her filming the couples scenes by herself. That was fantastic. Definitely agree with the screwball romcom vibes

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Dear @hacja, thank you for citing @oldlawyer and loving this Easternized version of a screwball comedy. I will leave it to others to analyze the genre. Just growing up in a family of 5 older brothers (all very important to parents unlike the sisters) I must admit that those golden era FLs gave me agency. They were smart and didn't hide it. Sassy and didn't apologize for it. Oh and they were sporty - loved to play and win. They were 'yar too.

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Didn't Sejong guess he was called The Great for multiple reasons had like a whole soccer team of kids? Surely such guy wouldn't be too appalled by mere horny fantasies.

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Dragging in Sejong the Great to slam the writer was my biggest laugh 😂

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FL looked great in her youthful rebel look, the style suits her.

As funny as I found SML's reaction to the erotic romance novel, I still have reservations and concerns about his future romance with the author. Because he has clearly bullied her. Together with the extreme uptightness instilled in him by his mother, in another genre he would be a potential serial killer who targets women. But who knows, maybe that's how the writers will write the obligatory murder into this rom-com. 😀
In any case, his development has to be convincing for me to fully support his future relationship with the author. Even if he felt sorry for his actions, they caused her to have a panic attack.

No matter what happens, I hope the next episodes continue to be as cheeky and entertaining as the first four. We can finally look forward to Mondays again.

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I don't really think it's bullying since there isn't a power imbalance (harassment, absolutely). If anything, Ja-yeon is the one who holds the power because she has the law on her side

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I am not entirely sure that in the rom-com pair-up, we will see the novelist with the President, despite her street tackle, and his then recalling her face. The assistant, with the met in childhood connection, still seems possible. I personally would love to see the cynical and world-wise middle foster sister, stuck with the cheating boyfriend, get paired with the naive and sexually repressed president, but so far there's been no sign of that.

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She's 100% going to end up with the president. I am very, very good at predicting this sort of thing and in Kdramas there is an especially reliable rule with secondary couples: the more they bicker and hate each other, the more likely it is they will end up together.

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Still, it seems he was casting his secretary as the ML in those stories ...

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Oh, yeah, right now she's in love with Secretary Yeo and the ML is based on him, but that's gonna change.

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I agree. Plus, haven't the actors done some publicity shoots together?

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Yeah, I've actually been looking at them on MDL. They look great together!

https://mydramalist.com/photos/qY3Xb5_3

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The president is 100% endgame.

What it hasn't been clear tho, is if this is going to be a love triangle or if the secretary is going to be the wingman or if he's going to fight for this transfer the entire show.

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Jay-yeon and Bok-gyu want to find love, Yeo Ha-jun just wants to code!

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I would assume they would get together solely because they're the second leads.

I imagine he's gonna fall for her first and then is gonna be tormented by the fact that she and the secretary know each other and the secretary has the same name as the novel character.

I wonder if in her next update she'll write a character based on her hater (the ceo) and have the Ha Jun of her novel beat him up.

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And he's going to also be tormented by the fact that he said all those hurtful things to her. However they end up together, it will have be a convincing display of acting or whatever it needs to stick the landing. Fun times ahead, I say!

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And wait until he finds out about her awful childhood and that something he wrote was incredibly close to home (even if we don't know what it was yet)

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Totally.
I confess that I laughed really hard at the random "qué estúpido" (perfect Spanish, ahjussi), but everything about that scene (and their parenting in general) gives "serial killer origin story" vibes.

However, I like that (1) he actually knows (to some extension) how problematic his family is. Like when he told his mom what she was doing was unfair to the female employees.
(2) What he wrote wasn't really because he wanted to hurt uri maknae, but because he wanted to make his mom stop reading those novels.
It was less about having something against her, and more about his weird family dynamic and all this repression his mom taught him.
And finally, I also think that as many other people, many regular people on the internet, he wrote those comments short-sighted. I don't think he ever thought of the real consequences of his actions. And he didn't know how much he was going to hurt her. Even in this site sometimes I'm like "okayyyy, what did this person ever do to you?". Because Idk, when online people forget that there's someone real on the other side.

And I think that's something the show was trying to say. Sometimes the people that do hurtful things are just that, people. Regular people can cause harm too. But that doesn't make them automatically bad people.

So I think (hope that) after what happened at the police station he will realize that there was a human being behind those words he wrote online.
He triggered something from her past without knowing, so I think he can reflect on his actions and make things right.

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Right, it's a lot easier to be mean to someone if they're removed from you. That's probably half the problem with the internet, lol

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To me, he doesn't have to trigger any PTSD for her to react this way. To receive loads of hatred online can get people down even without a traumatic past.
I recommend reading the comments sent to Anita Sarkeesian for her "crime" of cultural analysis of video games.

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I would agree, but the way the drama portrayed it made it look like a dissociative flashback, not just dysphoric mood

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Yep. He doesn't have to. But that's what happened in the drama so that's what I'm referring to.

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Exactly. Constantly spewing or receiving hatred can disregulate the nervous system. It's not normal at all.

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So,so true. I can't agree with your points enough. Even on this site it does seem clear that we sometimes imagine we are talking into the void but they're people reading and responding. But it's also the nature of the internet in nurturing these strange parasocial relationships.

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"Together with the extreme uptightness instilled in him by his mother, in another genre he would be a potential serial killer who targets women"
Exactly! I had that same thought!
If this show were framed differently, he would totally be an incel targeting women

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There's so much to like about this drama. I like the leads, ofc, but the other characters are fun too! CEO Fu-- I mean, Bok-gyu and his interactions with Secretary Yeo are so funny to me. Lee Sangyi's comedic abilities and puppy dog vibes in this drama make an otherwise despicable character fun to watch? I love how his secretary uses every opportunity get back at Gyu-hun, in the pettiest of ways. I just enjoy their bromance, or whatever it is they've got going on.

I came here for Shin Min-ah and the contract marriage trope, but I'm staying for Han Ji-hyun. She's absolutely adorable in this role. Gyu-hun has a lot of growing up to do and reparations to do, but I look forward to her loveline with him.

Yi-lin seems like a genuinely good person so far? Woo-jae... I would like to see his reaction when it turns out his ex married a secret chaebol heir.

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Me too. Came for SMA and KYD and I've been swept off my feet by all these other characters that make their world more shiny.

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