This will be a little long so I apologize in advance.
During this latest protest for yet another killing of a black person by racist police officers we’ve all seen the various statements of support by artists of all walks life. The one that stood out for me was CL.
I am not a fan. I liked a few of 2NE1’s songs and I absolutely love Bom but CL has always rubbed me the wrong way. For me, she represents what I hate the most. A non-black woman making a living off the backs of black women. As a black woman myself, nothing irritates me more than a non-black woman being celebrated for the very things black women are condemned for even though we created them. She was just a Korean Kardashian to me. The fact that she made her U.S debut with Method Man in the video really irritated me. Black people as props gets under my skin but I was mad at him for that not her.
The other day, her statement of support for the BLM movement made me re-examine the way I see her. K-Pop started off the backs of black people and she acknowledged that. For the first time ever someone admitted it. I don’t mean the usual “Growing up I was influenced by (insert black artist name here)”. I mean actually acknowledged that it is all influenced by black people “whether they want to admit or not“. It blew me away.
I was talking to my oldest daughter about it and I told her we were looking at it wrong. At her wrong. This is a case of “don’t hate the player, hate the game”. We shouldn’t be mad at her for taking advantage of something. She didn’t create the problem, she finessed a system. It isn’t her fault that people love black culture as long as black people aren’t the ones serving it up. She grew up in a world where hip-hop ruled so why wouldn’t she want to become a rapper?
I think the timing of her statement says something too. Not because of the protest but because she is no longer under YG’s thumb. I mean he is one of the original Korean hijackers of all things black relating to music and style. Does she feel free to say what she really feels now or is she taking advantage of black people again? It might be a little of both or more of one than the other, only she knows. Whichever it is, that support meant something to me. I might have misjudged her. From now on I will enjoy 2NE1’s songs without the guilt of supporting yet another culture vulture.
This entire thing has me tired. I’ve been tired. It’s exhausting and it won’t stop anytime soon. As a black woman, this is my life and I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world.
I am gonna be the bad guy and say it out loud..biggest kpop group in the world aka you know who has done lots and lots of cultural appropriations, called blacks Korean slang for the n word and nobody is ever going to call them out….anybody who does so in twitter is mass reported until that account vanishes……I am glad I never stanned them
you guessed right…they have done so many problematic things and it keeps getting swept under the rug by their legions….it will catch up though at some point…it always does
There’s one word in korean which sounds exactly like the n word you’re referring to but it’s something completely different. Many reactors where very offended by this but after they’ve found out about the misunderstanding in comment section. Homonyms can do lot of harm but that’s the magic of different languages.
that’s not the one……its an old interview in some variety I saw popping up in my feed and it was very offensive….its not like the variety host were themselves were any better laughing at it…its like that Hasan Minhaj piece online….there is deep seated prejudice against dark skinned in both South Asia and South East Asia…they don’t even realize how offensive it can be…the thing is when you use music that originated in black communities in America to make a career, the least you can do is educate yourself….I am not sure that is the case with this group
They don’t think that that’s something wrong but they hate when people are doing the monolids sign on their faces or thinking about East Asians that they are all like Jackie Chan or Bruce Lee or call them yellow people. We have a long way to go to understand that skin colour doesn’t matter, nor your nationality, nor your personal background but what matters is your personality and your actions.
Racism has many form but right now the focus is on systematic and institutional racism that happens in mainland USA…East Asians in US or other countries have not been denied housing, their ancestors were not sold, denied rights for generations that put them 100 of years backwards and at a disadvantage in terms of socio-economic development and are definitely not shot on presumption of guilt alone….this are not one to one scenarios. There is time and place for each of these things to be addressed and they should be. We all have some unconscious bias within us thanks to the cultural setup that we were raised in…the issue was about kpop, groups appropriating black culture, using hip hop for clout yet failing spectacularly show any intent on learning more about their history, abuse or offenses. I merely pointed out one example of how stan culture in one hand writes #BLM and in other hand protects their fab group from scrutiny by outright denying they ever have done questionable things or caused severe offense by pretending it never happened and reporting anybody who raises the legitimate questions. I do believe there are haters who try to amplify this for wrong reasons but from what I’ve seen, extremely offensive things have been said and done yet not one word of apology….just sweep it under the rug and nobody will notice is happening at the moment.
I just hope that I’ll get a chance in my life that people will be respected as for who they are and not for the colour of their skin. In my native country gypsies are treated the same way as black people in the US. They’re also admired for their music but the hate is like a tattoo in korean television – they put lot of makeup on it to make it invisible, but it’s there and people are shocked when they see it.
Fingers crossed for you out there that the history will rewrite itself again and this time I hope they’ll cover it with a good law that you can do your everyday life without being threatened.
I used to love him but he’s said some things in the last few years that made me dislike him. Jackson Wang too. It speaks volumes as to where people stand when you look at who benefits most from black culture while staying silent.
There is a song from a 1950s Rodgers & Hammerstein musical named South Pacific:
You’ve got to be taught to hate and fear
You’ve got to be taught from year to year
It’s got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly laid
And people whose skin is a different shade
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught, before it’s too late!
Before you are 6, or 7 or 8
To hate all the people your relatives hate
You’ve got to be carefully taught!
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
As a white middle-aged american woman I find myself wanting to apologize for all the injustice and horror that you have experienced. (it must be the catholic in me to want to take everything on)
But mostly I want you to know that I feel so much pain right now, and so much anger, and then some hope that maybe things will get better for all of us.
I can’t help but think when Black Lives truly matter then and only then will ALL lives matter!!!
(it certainly was nice to see people protesting at the gates of the WH today) – but mostly I want to say that I care. And I want things to be different and I will try in my old lady way to try and make a change…
Sending you many virtual hugs and much love and strength…
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thatstp
June 6, 2020 at 7:57 AM
This will be a little long so I apologize in advance.
During this latest protest for yet another killing of a black person by racist police officers we’ve all seen the various statements of support by artists of all walks life. The one that stood out for me was CL.
I am not a fan. I liked a few of 2NE1’s songs and I absolutely love Bom but CL has always rubbed me the wrong way. For me, she represents what I hate the most. A non-black woman making a living off the backs of black women. As a black woman myself, nothing irritates me more than a non-black woman being celebrated for the very things black women are condemned for even though we created them. She was just a Korean Kardashian to me. The fact that she made her U.S debut with Method Man in the video really irritated me. Black people as props gets under my skin but I was mad at him for that not her.
The other day, her statement of support for the BLM movement made me re-examine the way I see her. K-Pop started off the backs of black people and she acknowledged that. For the first time ever someone admitted it. I don’t mean the usual “Growing up I was influenced by (insert black artist name here)”. I mean actually acknowledged that it is all influenced by black people “whether they want to admit or not“. It blew me away.
I was talking to my oldest daughter about it and I told her we were looking at it wrong. At her wrong. This is a case of “don’t hate the player, hate the game”. We shouldn’t be mad at her for taking advantage of something. She didn’t create the problem, she finessed a system. It isn’t her fault that people love black culture as long as black people aren’t the ones serving it up. She grew up in a world where hip-hop ruled so why wouldn’t she want to become a rapper?
I think the timing of her statement says something too. Not because of the protest but because she is no longer under YG’s thumb. I mean he is one of the original Korean hijackers of all things black relating to music and style. Does she feel free to say what she really feels now or is she taking advantage of black people again? It might be a little of both or more of one than the other, only she knows. Whichever it is, that support meant something to me. I might have misjudged her. From now on I will enjoy 2NE1’s songs without the guilt of supporting yet another culture vulture.
Of course there are others that came out in support. This article https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/9394672/korean-kpop-artists-support-black-lives-matter-george-floyd brought tears to my eyes. There are some that should have been the first to support but still haven’t and I fear I will have to unstan (I’m looking at you Kwon Ji Yong).
This entire thing has me tired. I’ve been tired. It’s exhausting and it won’t stop anytime soon. As a black woman, this is my life and I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world.
gem28
June 6, 2020 at 8:09 AM
I am gonna be the bad guy and say it out loud..biggest kpop group in the world aka you know who has done lots and lots of cultural appropriations, called blacks Korean slang for the n word and nobody is ever going to call them out….anybody who does so in twitter is mass reported until that account vanishes……I am glad I never stanned them
thatstp
June 6, 2020 at 8:48 AM
Who?!! I think I know but I want to be sure.
gem28
June 6, 2020 at 8:53 AM
you guessed right…they have done so many problematic things and it keeps getting swept under the rug by their legions….it will catch up though at some point…it always does
BC
June 6, 2020 at 9:24 AM
There’s one word in korean which sounds exactly like the n word you’re referring to but it’s something completely different. Many reactors where very offended by this but after they’ve found out about the misunderstanding in comment section. Homonyms can do lot of harm but that’s the magic of different languages.
gem28
June 6, 2020 at 9:37 AM
that’s not the one……its an old interview in some variety I saw popping up in my feed and it was very offensive….its not like the variety host were themselves were any better laughing at it…its like that Hasan Minhaj piece online….there is deep seated prejudice against dark skinned in both South Asia and South East Asia…they don’t even realize how offensive it can be…the thing is when you use music that originated in black communities in America to make a career, the least you can do is educate yourself….I am not sure that is the case with this group
BC
June 6, 2020 at 9:57 AM
They don’t think that that’s something wrong but they hate when people are doing the monolids sign on their faces or thinking about East Asians that they are all like Jackie Chan or Bruce Lee or call them yellow people. We have a long way to go to understand that skin colour doesn’t matter, nor your nationality, nor your personal background but what matters is your personality and your actions.
gem28
June 6, 2020 at 10:11 AM
Racism has many form but right now the focus is on systematic and institutional racism that happens in mainland USA…East Asians in US or other countries have not been denied housing, their ancestors were not sold, denied rights for generations that put them 100 of years backwards and at a disadvantage in terms of socio-economic development and are definitely not shot on presumption of guilt alone….this are not one to one scenarios. There is time and place for each of these things to be addressed and they should be. We all have some unconscious bias within us thanks to the cultural setup that we were raised in…the issue was about kpop, groups appropriating black culture, using hip hop for clout yet failing spectacularly show any intent on learning more about their history, abuse or offenses. I merely pointed out one example of how stan culture in one hand writes #BLM and in other hand protects their fab group from scrutiny by outright denying they ever have done questionable things or caused severe offense by pretending it never happened and reporting anybody who raises the legitimate questions. I do believe there are haters who try to amplify this for wrong reasons but from what I’ve seen, extremely offensive things have been said and done yet not one word of apology….just sweep it under the rug and nobody will notice is happening at the moment.
BC
June 6, 2020 at 9:46 AM
I just hope that I’ll get a chance in my life that people will be respected as for who they are and not for the colour of their skin. In my native country gypsies are treated the same way as black people in the US. They’re also admired for their music but the hate is like a tattoo in korean television – they put lot of makeup on it to make it invisible, but it’s there and people are shocked when they see it.
Fingers crossed for you out there that the history will rewrite itself again and this time I hope they’ll cover it with a good law that you can do your everyday life without being threatened.
Beverly
June 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM
I’ve never payed that much attention to Jay Park but after seeing him and then as his company show support I might want to. Plus, the Gang remix.
thatstp
June 6, 2020 at 8:50 AM
I used to love him but he’s said some things in the last few years that made me dislike him. Jackson Wang too. It speaks volumes as to where people stand when you look at who benefits most from black culture while staying silent.
bbstl 🧹
June 6, 2020 at 2:24 PM
There is a song from a 1950s Rodgers & Hammerstein musical named South Pacific:
You’ve got to be taught to hate and fear
You’ve got to be taught from year to year
It’s got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly laid
And people whose skin is a different shade
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught, before it’s too late!
Before you are 6, or 7 or 8
To hate all the people your relatives hate
You’ve got to be carefully taught!
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
Mandy Patinkin singing “You’ve Got To be Taught” and “Children Will Listen”
https://youtu.be/owxRpV7l8Dc
❤️❤️❤️
stpauligurl
June 6, 2020 at 6:21 PM
As a white middle-aged american woman I find myself wanting to apologize for all the injustice and horror that you have experienced. (it must be the catholic in me to want to take everything on)
But mostly I want you to know that I feel so much pain right now, and so much anger, and then some hope that maybe things will get better for all of us.
I can’t help but think when Black Lives truly matter then and only then will ALL lives matter!!!
(it certainly was nice to see people protesting at the gates of the WH today) – but mostly I want to say that I care. And I want things to be different and I will try in my old lady way to try and make a change…
Sending you many virtual hugs and much love and strength…