my second disliked and hated scene.. when GT makes breakfast for MY. As if that poor chap had less problems to deal with now he has this girl to take care of now.
Whole creative needs some smack in head to get their brain functioning. How can you even imagine a person with so many responsibilities of his life n brother that he can spare time to pamper her too. He needs someone supportive, no nonsense person in life who can nurse his wound not ask him nurse herself too.
Such a great prospective storyline getting spoiled for turning it into a romantic drama
Realistically you’re take is correct, while for the drama i am not thinking much about it. I also had issues with MY trying her best that GT takes her in his care too which imo was too much for him because he had so much on his plate. That is why it’s tough for me to understand how she is helping him open up. GT has never said those thibgs to anyone else except for MY because she sees through his hypocrisy. In front of the rest of the world he is amazing brother who has no issues looking after his brother but that isn’t true and he only opens up about this to MY, which I don’t know why.
Couples can even fall out when they have mental health issues luke anxiety and depression, so MY having ASPD alongside GT having his own form of depression, this is hard to work realistically. Their chemistry is electrifying and that’s probably why I’m still watching because i don’t think there is much story either. I don’t understand yet how this couole can make it work because realistically it would be a toxic pairing but it’s a drama after all.
i am glad that i am not alone finding it toxic real life scenario. and i really like how you explained the things as I was feeling bit confused as to am i the only one feeling so disappointed with how the story is unfolding.
So in short i am not alone but same time i am unable to accept the torture GT is going through.
I was thinking of dropping the show because it does seem they don’t have much to do except for the past stories of the leads but mainly because it is trying to make a toxic relationship work. That said, it is still a visual treat and with the fairy tales, a little different than most kdramas so I’ll continue.
Yeah, I donโt think you are alone. Part of me doesnโt want them to become a couple. There is too much already going on. Romance with Moon-young, if it fits at all, should be last on the list of priorities. As others have noted, things that might not sit well with us in real life somehow work in dramaland. In some cases, we can suspend disbelief. I’m not sure what to say in this particular case.
I feel that when dramas reach this point (about the halfway mark), I start to have concerns. I thought the beginning was really strong, but I wonder where things will go from this point.
very much agree… things in dramaland do make sense and thats the reason we watch dramas to have fun rather trying to make sense of everything we watch.
and i am happy that i wasnt alone feeling that… so now bit happy n relaxed to find people with same perception. now ill find for dramas which i can enjoy too.
thank you for sharing ur thoughts.
I totally agree that realistically MY is not the ideal person for GT having said that I wouldn’t call making breakfast pampering. He was going to make breakfast anyway for himself and his brother and he made extra for her as well, he didn’t exactly try to impress or cater to her tastes.
Also regarding his plate being full with his brother, whether with MY or not GT deserves to eventually be in a relationship and his partner will also deserve effort from his side, had this not been MY but just another woman he liked would you consider making a meal for her a bad thing?
What I am trying to say is that while it is correct MY is a too demanding for a person like GT, there is no relationship out there that would be absolutely free of demands and even if he finds a supportive person he will be expected to return the care and support too, he will have to spare time for any person he gets together with even if they are what is considered normal. The idea that he needs someone who requires no sort of pampering even to the simple extent of making breakfast imo is unrealistic.
him making breakfast for her is not my issue.. but the way this whole built up was done is my issue. Last night she had been shown threating him that his brother has abandoned him.. and that was clearly a hurtful statement for a person who has dedicated his life taking care of his brother.
So next morning showing him making breakfast for her is wrong. she has hurt him enough and he should not be doing any chivalry towards her try to be in her good books.
what she did to him by trapping his brother to bring him to her castle it absolutely wrong so in return him still treating her nicely is my issue.
What about still being nice, or even nicer than before, when she has just pushed a second person down the stairs? kkkk
You’re really not the only one who feels this romance would be bad in real life but this is a romcom and a lot of things that happen in it come from this, if you ignore logic it becomes better.
yes ignoring is bliss in this case.. my only problem i am unable to enjoy the drama despite trying to ignore all the lack of logics.. so dropping it would be the better option for me… so i am planning to do that.
thanks for sharing ur thoughts.
Kang Tae has a savior complex. Itโs in his nature to just take care of things. The breakfast scene makes sense to me because thatโs who he is. These people exist in real life. He canโt help himself. And yes, people need therapy for this because they end end up saying โyes, Iโll help youโ to everything and to everyone and burn themselves out.l, become depressed or anxious because they care more for others than they do for themselves. These people also end up in abusive relationships sometimes. Totally not healthy. So I worry more about him than Moon young. Kang Tae easily forgives peopleโheโs a nurse and care-giver who has to forgive a lot in patients and staff membersโso has likely forgiven Moon young or made excuses for her. Again, part of his personality. He doesnโt hold anything against anyone. He finds more fault in himself. I can see parts of their relationship in my own. My husband is very much the care-giver in our family, Iโm not. However, he does say โok, Iโm done taking care of things for a while,โ and โno, I canโt do this anymore.โ And thatโs when I step up-hopefully. Thereโs always one in the relationship and itโs usually the female. I like this show because it is the male that has this trait. Yes, it may me and has been taken advantage of, in real life, but thatโs why this is a drama. Per my husband, what Korean drama has ever shown healthy people in healthy relationships? Well, heโs right, they are rare.
i agree completely with you Ally.. esp the last line that there are hardly any korean dramas with healthy people in healthy relationship.
i am baffled for one reason that being caregiver to mentally ill sibling is big thing in anyone’s life, say plate full or not knowing how to live their own life, so having another person with mental illness is not working for me.
i find this whole setup as trivializing mental illness and the life of a caregiver to a mentally ill family member.
Yes this. MY isn’t in KT just as a romantic partner, she sees him as a care giver and someone who’ll become reaponsible for her. That would be exhausting for KT realistically. But again that’s why this is a drama and KT is a Candy, also as Ally said, he has a savior complex. I do think in real life, every person has their own issues and at times they rely on their partners to share them and even sort them out but here KT taking care of MY is like nursing a patient. And even if I’ve seen couples nursing each other in old age or sickness, I still think if this could be considered the same? After all couples who want to stay together do so through thick and thin and health and sickness. But by all means it is manipulation on MY’s side rather than just KT being a care giver.
very well put… and last line is exactly how i feel about this whole set up..
MY is clearly manipulative and bringing KT into her mess…. hope he gets some solace, in drama, with whom so ever he chooses to be with.
I don’t see how the drama is trivializing this when it has touched on, many times, how Gang-tae feels about being his brother’s caregiver and how overwhelming it can be, and he has told Mun-yeong himself that he doesn’t need yet another person to take care of. Sure, maybe the show will end up magically making everything work between the two of them, we’re only halfway through so anything could happen, but up until now the show is not brushing these issues under the rug.
touching it all but superficially is what trivializing for me…
first…no Bipolar disorder patient has ever been cured just by letting him/her do what they want (or went out their emotions)… and if by chance all BPD patients would be allowed to do so.. this whole world will be a big chaotic mess that no one can even imagine…
second.. two mentally ill people needy of another emotionally broken ( and somewhat depressed person).. this is trivializing for me as all three needs healing and support from someone emotionally strong not from each other. its a recipe of a disaster.
Totally agree with you.
In fact I was happy in episode 7 because I could see them bonding and being friends, getting to a place where they are equals, they learn from the other, and how to relate to others.
I liked them being friends, it would work on real life.
But we are in dramaland and it means love is all around. It only took one episode for KT to admit he has feelings for MY, and to MY to realize what she’s feeling is love (or something she can identify with love).
hehehe… dramaland surely lacks logic and touch with reality… so here all the manipulation by MY so far would be accepted and appreciated just cause she figured it was all cause she loved him… which is kind of funny for me.
but what you said makes complete sense. thanks for sharing.
Considering Kang-taes personality his behavior towards Moon-Young makes sense. However, I do understand why this scene would be upsetting. I also see this drama as a modern day fairy tale, and fairy tales often have problematic elements.
ahh now thats the viewpoint i was missing altogether. thanks for bringing it to my notice that this is the Drama version of a fairytale where elements are not perfect but keeps viewers hooked.
thank you for sharing.
@sirena and @KSOppaisback. Yes, this is another perspective. The movie I chose for Day thirteen of the July movie challenge is a similar example of a modern fairy tale (at least, the director described his story that way). And while I like the film, it does have some questionable elements. But the fairy tale aspect helps to explain some of those things. @sirena You make a good point.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 12, 2020 at 1:49 AM
my second disliked and hated scene.. when GT makes breakfast for MY. As if that poor chap had less problems to deal with now he has this girl to take care of now.
Whole creative needs some smack in head to get their brain functioning. How can you even imagine a person with so many responsibilities of his life n brother that he can spare time to pamper her too. He needs someone supportive, no nonsense person in life who can nurse his wound not ask him nurse herself too.
Such a great prospective storyline getting spoiled for turning it into a romantic drama
wapz
July 12, 2020 at 3:37 AM
Realistically you’re take is correct, while for the drama i am not thinking much about it. I also had issues with MY trying her best that GT takes her in his care too which imo was too much for him because he had so much on his plate. That is why it’s tough for me to understand how she is helping him open up. GT has never said those thibgs to anyone else except for MY because she sees through his hypocrisy. In front of the rest of the world he is amazing brother who has no issues looking after his brother but that isn’t true and he only opens up about this to MY, which I don’t know why.
Couples can even fall out when they have mental health issues luke anxiety and depression, so MY having ASPD alongside GT having his own form of depression, this is hard to work realistically. Their chemistry is electrifying and that’s probably why I’m still watching because i don’t think there is much story either. I don’t understand yet how this couole can make it work because realistically it would be a toxic pairing but it’s a drama after all.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 12, 2020 at 4:13 AM
i am glad that i am not alone finding it toxic real life scenario. and i really like how you explained the things as I was feeling bit confused as to am i the only one feeling so disappointed with how the story is unfolding.
So in short i am not alone but same time i am unable to accept the torture GT is going through.
thanks for sharing your thoughts.
wapz
July 12, 2020 at 5:29 AM
I was thinking of dropping the show because it does seem they don’t have much to do except for the past stories of the leads but mainly because it is trying to make a toxic relationship work. That said, it is still a visual treat and with the fairy tales, a little different than most kdramas so I’ll continue.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 12, 2020 at 8:08 AM
thats ok.. as long you enjoy watching it. do let me know if it improves in future and happy watching.
Peridot
July 12, 2020 at 6:41 AM
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Peridot
July 12, 2020 at 6:54 AM
Yeah, I donโt think you are alone. Part of me doesnโt want them to become a couple. There is too much already going on. Romance with Moon-young, if it fits at all, should be last on the list of priorities. As others have noted, things that might not sit well with us in real life somehow work in dramaland. In some cases, we can suspend disbelief. I’m not sure what to say in this particular case.
I feel that when dramas reach this point (about the halfway mark), I start to have concerns. I thought the beginning was really strong, but I wonder where things will go from this point.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 12, 2020 at 8:10 AM
very much agree… things in dramaland do make sense and thats the reason we watch dramas to have fun rather trying to make sense of everything we watch.
and i am happy that i wasnt alone feeling that… so now bit happy n relaxed to find people with same perception. now ill find for dramas which i can enjoy too.
thank you for sharing ur thoughts.
Peridot
July 12, 2020 at 3:38 PM
You’re welcome. ๐
booming system up up
July 12, 2020 at 4:18 AM
I totally agree that realistically MY is not the ideal person for GT having said that I wouldn’t call making breakfast pampering. He was going to make breakfast anyway for himself and his brother and he made extra for her as well, he didn’t exactly try to impress or cater to her tastes.
Also regarding his plate being full with his brother, whether with MY or not GT deserves to eventually be in a relationship and his partner will also deserve effort from his side, had this not been MY but just another woman he liked would you consider making a meal for her a bad thing?
What I am trying to say is that while it is correct MY is a too demanding for a person like GT, there is no relationship out there that would be absolutely free of demands and even if he finds a supportive person he will be expected to return the care and support too, he will have to spare time for any person he gets together with even if they are what is considered normal. The idea that he needs someone who requires no sort of pampering even to the simple extent of making breakfast imo is unrealistic.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 12, 2020 at 4:25 AM
him making breakfast for her is not my issue.. but the way this whole built up was done is my issue. Last night she had been shown threating him that his brother has abandoned him.. and that was clearly a hurtful statement for a person who has dedicated his life taking care of his brother.
So next morning showing him making breakfast for her is wrong. she has hurt him enough and he should not be doing any chivalry towards her try to be in her good books.
what she did to him by trapping his brother to bring him to her castle it absolutely wrong so in return him still treating her nicely is my issue.
booming system up up
July 12, 2020 at 4:29 AM
That is a pretty fair point.
Lixie
July 12, 2020 at 6:20 AM
What about still being nice, or even nicer than before, when she has just pushed a second person down the stairs? kkkk
You’re really not the only one who feels this romance would be bad in real life but this is a romcom and a lot of things that happen in it come from this, if you ignore logic it becomes better.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 12, 2020 at 8:12 AM
yes ignoring is bliss in this case.. my only problem i am unable to enjoy the drama despite trying to ignore all the lack of logics.. so dropping it would be the better option for me… so i am planning to do that.
thanks for sharing ur thoughts.
Ally
July 12, 2020 at 5:02 AM
Kang Tae has a savior complex. Itโs in his nature to just take care of things. The breakfast scene makes sense to me because thatโs who he is. These people exist in real life. He canโt help himself. And yes, people need therapy for this because they end end up saying โyes, Iโll help youโ to everything and to everyone and burn themselves out.l, become depressed or anxious because they care more for others than they do for themselves. These people also end up in abusive relationships sometimes. Totally not healthy. So I worry more about him than Moon young. Kang Tae easily forgives peopleโheโs a nurse and care-giver who has to forgive a lot in patients and staff membersโso has likely forgiven Moon young or made excuses for her. Again, part of his personality. He doesnโt hold anything against anyone. He finds more fault in himself. I can see parts of their relationship in my own. My husband is very much the care-giver in our family, Iโm not. However, he does say โok, Iโm done taking care of things for a while,โ and โno, I canโt do this anymore.โ And thatโs when I step up-hopefully. Thereโs always one in the relationship and itโs usually the female. I like this show because it is the male that has this trait. Yes, it may me and has been taken advantage of, in real life, but thatโs why this is a drama. Per my husband, what Korean drama has ever shown healthy people in healthy relationships? Well, heโs right, they are rare.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 12, 2020 at 5:11 AM
i agree completely with you Ally.. esp the last line that there are hardly any korean dramas with healthy people in healthy relationship.
i am baffled for one reason that being caregiver to mentally ill sibling is big thing in anyone’s life, say plate full or not knowing how to live their own life, so having another person with mental illness is not working for me.
i find this whole setup as trivializing mental illness and the life of a caregiver to a mentally ill family member.
wapz
July 12, 2020 at 5:25 AM
Yes this. MY isn’t in KT just as a romantic partner, she sees him as a care giver and someone who’ll become reaponsible for her. That would be exhausting for KT realistically. But again that’s why this is a drama and KT is a Candy, also as Ally said, he has a savior complex. I do think in real life, every person has their own issues and at times they rely on their partners to share them and even sort them out but here KT taking care of MY is like nursing a patient. And even if I’ve seen couples nursing each other in old age or sickness, I still think if this could be considered the same? After all couples who want to stay together do so through thick and thin and health and sickness. But by all means it is manipulation on MY’s side rather than just KT being a care giver.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 13, 2020 at 11:32 AM
very well put… and last line is exactly how i feel about this whole set up..
MY is clearly manipulative and bringing KT into her mess…. hope he gets some solace, in drama, with whom so ever he chooses to be with.
mindy
July 12, 2020 at 5:51 AM
I don’t see how the drama is trivializing this when it has touched on, many times, how Gang-tae feels about being his brother’s caregiver and how overwhelming it can be, and he has told Mun-yeong himself that he doesn’t need yet another person to take care of. Sure, maybe the show will end up magically making everything work between the two of them, we’re only halfway through so anything could happen, but up until now the show is not brushing these issues under the rug.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 13, 2020 at 11:31 AM
touching it all but superficially is what trivializing for me…
first…no Bipolar disorder patient has ever been cured just by letting him/her do what they want (or went out their emotions)… and if by chance all BPD patients would be allowed to do so.. this whole world will be a big chaotic mess that no one can even imagine…
second.. two mentally ill people needy of another emotionally broken ( and somewhat depressed person).. this is trivializing for me as all three needs healing and support from someone emotionally strong not from each other. its a recipe of a disaster.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 13, 2020 at 11:35 AM
vent*
Eazal
July 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM
Totally agree with you.
In fact I was happy in episode 7 because I could see them bonding and being friends, getting to a place where they are equals, they learn from the other, and how to relate to others.
I liked them being friends, it would work on real life.
But we are in dramaland and it means love is all around. It only took one episode for KT to admit he has feelings for MY, and to MY to realize what she’s feeling is love (or something she can identify with love).
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 13, 2020 at 11:34 AM
hehehe… dramaland surely lacks logic and touch with reality… so here all the manipulation by MY so far would be accepted and appreciated just cause she figured it was all cause she loved him… which is kind of funny for me.
but what you said makes complete sense. thanks for sharing.
sirena
July 12, 2020 at 7:10 AM
Considering Kang-taes personality his behavior towards Moon-Young makes sense. However, I do understand why this scene would be upsetting. I also see this drama as a modern day fairy tale, and fairy tales often have problematic elements.
๐งโโ๏ธ ๐๐ but ๐ง๐๐๐๐
July 12, 2020 at 8:14 AM
ahh now thats the viewpoint i was missing altogether. thanks for bringing it to my notice that this is the Drama version of a fairytale where elements are not perfect but keeps viewers hooked.
thank you for sharing.
sirena
July 12, 2020 at 3:45 PM
My pleasure 😁
Peridot
July 13, 2020 at 1:42 PM
@sirena and @KSOppaisback. Yes, this is another perspective. The movie I chose for Day thirteen of the July movie challenge is a similar example of a modern fairy tale (at least, the director described his story that way). And while I like the film, it does have some questionable elements. But the fairy tale aspect helps to explain some of those things. @sirena You make a good point.
wapz
July 12, 2020 at 8:28 AM
I missed out this point too. Maybe all that is bothering us is actually intentionally put in place for it to look fairytale-esque.