Episode 20 Recap, written in an airport between flights so there may be mistakes!
(I can’t even rant and cry in an airport, how inconvenient).

https://sageukclub.wordpress.com/2021/07/07/bossam-stealing-fate-episode-20-recap-final-episode/

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    Tagging BOSSAM beanies: @kiara, @mmmmm, @ndlessjoie, @marcusnyc20, @ally-le, @flyingcolours, @jorobertson, @tabitha2, @snowflower, @bbstl, @milena, @yongsital, @sicarius, @jossie4cheryl, @jerrykuvira, @kdramaswimmer, @sparks121, @yulsakura @jk910528 @lindag @hebang @missh @kittymontgomery-mourles @coffeprince4eva @welh @peridot @jillian @irmar @wonhwa @nilsche

    There is a lot to discuss, dissect, and (in my case) rant about. Knock yourselves out.

    Thank you so much for encouraging me to start this blog! I enjoyed it and learned a lot from your comments and insights. 💜

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      Thank you Toki! Wish you a safe and convenient flight! I’ll come back to read it later today as I’m heading outside now!

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      Hello Toki Thanks so much for your hard work! I would like to thank Kiara, too, as her enthusiasm, together with your and others’, made me interested in this show and watched it until the end.

      1. I hate DY’s ending. I argued so strongly that he should become a monk, so that he could escape being used as a pawn by VP Lee (whom I hate so much.) If you look at how DY had grown up, nobody was sincere to him and that explained how he completely felt lack of love. This could perhaps make him set on the princess from the beginning until the end of his life. (I HATE YOU ALL THE VP LEE’S HOUSEHOLD.) DP is a lovely man, very sincere and noble. He might seem boring to some, but I’d rather be with him than with anyone perhaps in the story. He has a kind and sincere soul; the one that should never be broken. He even escaped EVERYTHING for the previous 19 eps just to end up being stabbed through the back by his ‘father.’ (I just realized that this scene is literally and figuratively meaningful.) I could not believe that he would die so easily, so I held on to the belief that someone might be able to help him until I watched the scene VP Lee asked Ba Woo where he had buried DY. I was literally heart-broken. My poor DY. My poor boy.

      It also reminded me of the discussion/argument I made to some Beanies on DB about how they wanted DY’s story to be in the final ep. I argued very fiercely that he shouldn’t kill VP Lee because he was his own uncle. And look at what happened here: He GOT KILLED by him instead. This made me question my own morality: So should I be more cruel, so that at least I could protect myself? That’s something I’m thinking about these days.

      2. I think many characters acted out of their character in the final eps. Many things seemed rushed, and strange. It’s a pity that we couldn’t get to see the depth of the character Tae Chul. I believe it’s clear that he had always loved Lady Haindang; and that was why he always protected them. I found this transition a bit strange, since he had killed so many innocent people upon the order of VP Lee, but provided help to DY and betrayed VP Lee right now. Why the king’s guard offered help to them was also not clear to me. This seems to contradict to what the character said later on that he had only one king and he would do whatever to protect him (but you’re defying a lot of his orders lately.) What is unclear to me the most is the ending scene. As far as I understand, the princess is now bossamed, so no one knows where she is. My conclusion is that perhaps Kim Dae-sook asked to be relocated to a far-away place (where is next to the sea ofc), and he lived with the princess there. The future of Cha-dol is unknown as now he seems not to have a mother from a noble family.

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        3. I had a bit of a soft spot for the king for almost all the story, but I agreed with the princess and Consort Yun that the king was just trying to protect himself. It seemed to me that he was trying to balance the political power between him and VP Lee all the time, and I felt sorry for him for that. However, the more competent king should be able to do more than that, and should be able to protect his own family as that should be the first priority. So to me, the king was incompetent.

        4. I actually like what VP Lee said that ‘Do you think everything will end once you defeated me?’ because that was what I also thought before. Sadly, this is also confirmed by the actions of Kim Jae-jeom later on when King Injo ruled the country. I thought before this that, even if they removed VP Lee, there would always be another person to come to take his place. That was also why I understood him a bit and why I thought I understood the king. I thought the king also thought that to remove VP Lee right away (probably by just beheading him for some made-up accusation) wasn’t the solution of the problem since there would be another VP Lee, so he might try to balance power instead of just getting rid of him. As it turned out, however, he couldn’t even protect his own family and his actions of using his own daughter many times confirmed that I got a wrong assumption.

        5. I love the show when it showed us how Kim Dae-sook looked at Kim Jae-jeom suspiciously, as he should be, upon hearing he talked about how a man could say two different things from one mouth. I think at that time, KDS began to be suspicious of the promise KJJ made to him about the safety of the princess and Consort Yun. And he was right about that: Once the new king took the throne, he began his search for the princess and her mother right away. He’s just like VP Lee: Very greedy people.

        Thank you everyone again! DY’s ending broke my heart. I love loyal people, but now I’m starting to question myself if being ‘too loyal’ is actually a good thing. No matter how much I like loyalty, I don’t think DY and the king’s guard deserved what they got.

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      Thank you, your Tokiness! This has been so enjoyable and I appreciate your dedication and excellent writing (and of course Korean history knowledge). I will Bossam and your recaps ❤️

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      Thank you for all your work!

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      Thank you a million fold @WishfulToki You served beyond the call of duty and gave us a great space for hanging out and sharing points of view about Bossam, making it so much more enjoyable. Your ancestors would be proud.

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      Quite busy this week with RL stuffs. But will get to the final two episodes soon and then will read ur awesome recap.

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      It ended predictably and was a tad bit shallow, but I did love the realistic portrayal of the women’s lives. I wish we’d had more character development for Ba Woo and more of their rural family life far from the royals.

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        Basically my thoughts (except for ending predictably – I expected more blood and gruesome executions, but then @mmmmm would never watch a sageuk with me again 😇… I say this because the drama was aiming to be realistic and sticking to history, except at the very end when it decided to be romantically vague).

        So I don’t have to write my review anymore? 😂

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          I was seriously contemplating whether I should watch a sageuk again! 😂

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            I won’t force you to watch another one with me, but it was nice to have all three of us watch this one. 😊

            I dare say Muggy has become more bloodthirsty lately. She should know how it feels to lose Stabby OTP!

            I’m going to be mourning for Dae-yeop for a while, because his loyalty deserved more recognition (especially from his so-calledfriend and the bromance that didn’t fully happen 😭)

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            I really think that DY was such a pure and poor soul. Perhaps, the only mistake he had made so far was being loyal to the Princess and loved her into his very last breath. 😭🤧🤧🤧

            I agree. I think Mugy has become bloodthirsty. *sulks*

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            Anyway, I respect her feeling on that. I’m ok since I know Toki and @ally-le mourned the death of DY with me. He could die, yes; but couldn’t he die by the hand of ‘someone else’?

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            If I think about the grand metaphorical meaning of it all, Dae-yeop represents the ideal yangban scholar who values loyalty and filial piety, and therefore could not survive in the corrupt and tumultuous times after the Japanese invaded Joseon.

            But overall his death was pointless and did nothing for the story. 😭 That’s the tragedy of it. I don’t buy that his death may have helped Ba-woo decide to fully join the Westerners to defeat VP Lee. That’s too complicated and risky. Just send an assassin.

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            I think so, too. So pointless. Such a waste (of a young, handsome, lovely, seemingly-noble yangban. ☺️)

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            @wishfultoki and @mmmmm I’m just trying to liven this one up by adding some excitement. I was a lot more invested in my Stabby OTP™ because we understood them and what they were fighting for. The main male characters in this one seemed less developed.

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            And you did such a great job, I though you hated my poor DY!

            *hugs*
            *gives @ndlessjoie a monk fish*

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      @wishfultoki,

      Thank you so much for your hard work and for giving us poor sageuk geeks a home on your block.
      I’ve been so busy, but I’ll get to it soon!

      Much love to you, our wonderful viki subbers, and Mimi @ https://thetalkingcupboard.com/.

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      Thank you Toki for the episode 20 recap and all the recaps. You certainly went above and beyond the call of duty. Congratulations on creating your webpage!
      The comments have been great so I won’t try to match them just to say that I really enjoyed BOSSAM—STEAL THE FATE. Kudos to Jung Il-woo, Yuri, Shin Hyun-soo and the rest of the cast and crew for a great production. It was not the perfect drama but highly enjoyable.
      I want to also thank @kiara for historical background and extras. Thank you,
      I said at the beginning that Ba-woo and the Princess were two historical blank pages. BOSSAM is how the writer filled in those pages. Like others have said the ending was unsatisfactory but what can you do.
      I hope we can all get together again in August for REDSKY. Then perhaps we can segue to Junho’s RED SLEEVE CUFF in October. Followed perhaps in November with Taecyon’s TALE OF ROYAL SECRET INSPECTOR AND JO YI.

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    Overall, I can appreciate what this drama was trying to do, with its interweaving of fiction with history, but in spite of that I don’t love it.
    Because even though I can appreciate that kind of work, what I look for in stories is strong characters and themes… and I felt that this drama was thematically very dry.
    That’s not to say there weren’t moments- there were, absolutely. But I got very little out of it. I’m still trying to work out why exactly, but I feel that way even so.

    Perhaps most disappointing is, of course, Dae Yeop’s character being relegated to a plot device for the entire run; his death was somewhat inevitable and also predictable, but frustrating and stupid nonetheless.
    A true waste of Shin Hyun Soo, his acting, his charisma and his ability to carry a hanbok better than anyone else on screen.
    (side note: I will forever be mad that the person who got the best and widest variety of hanbok colour combinations and styles was DY’s pathetic, cowardly excuse for a rat of a hyung; he simply did not do them justice and they were deserving of someone far more worthy, who could carry them properly. And also less of a pathetic character.)

    My favourite side characters were actually Jung Yeong, the King’s commander and bodyguard, and Tae Chul, Yi Cheom’s manservant. Both their motivations were slightly questionable in the last quarter (flippity flop whenever the plot may need thee), however I liked their grim, determined but loyal demeanors, both to Lord (or… Son) and to what was right.
    Tae Chul’s backstory interested me but alas was too tied up in Dae Yeop’s poor writing to really have as much impact as it could’ve.
    Jung Yeong’s death was perhaps even more inevitable than Dae Yeop’s, but no less moving, at least for me, and he got one of the best finale lines: “I do not refuse you to be polite, but as for me I have only one Lord.”
    I am just fond of their kind of character archetype, I think.
    (Shout out to Jung Yeong’s actor, Seo Beom Shik, who is as it turns out is a stunt actor with a very prolific filmography, including stunt coordinating and martial arts directing work.
    Stunt actors do NOT get enough credit, so my respect to you, sir. Also, I enjoyed his Last Fight before his Death; despite it being the typical dramatic film kind of sword fighting and being relatively superfluous given the gunmen, it was very satisfying in of itself, and I could actually see and follow what was happening.)

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      I do think this show knew its overall direction from the beginning, I think it intended to go the way it did. And I don’t think it should’ve avoided history altogether like some shows- because it had a purpose; the way I see it this show is like a background supporting, fictionalized but somewhat plausible, version of events leading up to the Fall of Gwanghae.
      However I do think perhaps they lost some of their depth, or potential for depth, by trying so hard to fit fact to fiction, and fiction to fact.
      Because I was not completely convinced by how we *got* to the ending. (Which is probably a large part of why my investment in even the romance was exponentially waning the nearer we got to it.)

      After episode 12 many of the plot points to bring about the resolution felt contrived, weak, and illogical even, particularly in the last two episodes, despite the fact that I could see how hard the show was trying.
      19 is the perfect example of this- of course we KNOW Dae Yeop must find out about his father’s death, just as we know the westerners will stage a coup, but I felt both were handled poorly and the ending rushed.
      (For example, the episode prior DY is not speaking to his mother, then in this episode he is, and the reveal of the handkerchief ends before it has begun, leaving little time for that plot point to not be a red herring. This of course also goes hand in hand with DY being a plot device.)

      I think the princess was the strongest written character of the whole show, and had the most fleshed out thematic arc. She was made believable by the excellent and very convincing Yuri. And I think her moments, particularly with her parents, and in the middle with Ba Woo, were the most moving scenes of all.
      I think HER story worked; but I found most of the rest lacking. Gwanghae’s monologue at the end redeemed some of this for me, but not entirely.

      That was however, one of the few scenes in the last episode I did like- the last drink between king and subject, the first and last bow between father and son-in-law, and a tragic but fitting conclusion to a fallen king*. Although I personally don’t agree with Gwanghae’s statement about being fine with anybody but Yi Cheom ruling (and could argue it was a little out of character), historically it was unavoidable. To have a different ending sentiment would’ve required more to that arc anyway.

      Which, ultimately, is what I think the show needed- to flesh out the rest of its story and characters, to back up its plot from more than just a few episodes out, and perhaps have a stronger central core theme to bring it the whole way through.

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        I would have a better conclusion and a few more points but I have just been to the dentist and don’t have the head space to write them. (I wrote most of this yesterday)

        One of those points being, that there was the implication that Gwanghae doomed himself to dethronement by abandoning his daughter… I am not sure how I feel about this idea over all. I think it feels a bit weak to me, that that’s what it came down to… did it just need more to it to be convincing or is it just not a convincing idea overall. Not sure.

        Anyway, I don’t think I regret watching at least- I enjoyed being able to discuss and hang out with all you guys every other week especially, and thank you Toki for starting the SageukClub blog. Here’s to its future! (even if I continue to only comment on db).

        (*one day I will write a happy ending for Gwanghae. Or maybe just one where he is avenged, cos I can. Technically already have a draft for the latter. But yeah, either/or/both.)

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      Omo Queen you LOVE the same characters as I do! I love those two men to bits! They’re so loyal, and loyal is the new (oh it’s always been) sexy.

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      Jung Yeong’s death was handled quite well, in my opinion. I was in for the epic swordfight that would predictably end why is heroic demise, and then they go BAM and shoot him down. I was truly surprised, and for a second felt a bit let down (love a bit of epic sword fighting) but his sacrifice was befittingly senseless – he was serving an undeserving king

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        I do think his death was fitting for his role in the story, whether it be by gun or sword, although as @hebang has already pointed out on my wall- why waste the sword fodder, when you have the guns…

        Idk about an undeserving king though… I suppose that depends on how you view one’s duty to your sworn sovereign, and whether or not one things Gwanghae was undeserving overall, of both any loyalty or anything else, in this or in history… I feel like I’m becoming a bit of a Gwanghae apologist, @kiara how did this happen, do I blame TCC or this, or you or what? lmao

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          I don’t know about the real Gwanghae, but in the drama I felt that as a monarch he only ruled on survival mode. Like, he doesn’t show any vision for the country, he’s just reacting without further insight, and avoiding VP Lee’s taking over, under the argument that that would stir civil war. Not to mention his willingness to use Sookyung as a pawn over and over again… Couldn’t he think out of the box for once? (*eyeroll)

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            I wrote a long post on Gwanghae that took me an hour to write and it was lost in the void 😭 I’ll be back later and try again.

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            @wishfultoki oh no! I really wanted to know your opinion about Gwanghae 😭

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            Second try. This is also in answer to @hebang

            So, I was saying that the Gwanghae that we see in this drama seems disillusioned and broken by factionalism. In the early episodes he tried to enact some tax reforms but was blocked by VP Lee and all the other ministers. The drama glossed over some of the difficulties of his reign, sometimes only mentioning them in passim. For example, the fact that nobles had private armies again (with the excuse to defend themselves from the Japanese) hadn’t happened since the 14th century. One of the first things Taejong did when he got the throne was prohibit nobles from having private armies, precisely so they wouldn’t be able to threaten the king or revolt. The Imjin War (Japanese invasions) left a country devastated and royal power in shambles.

            I need to dig more into this, but I feel that Gwanghae was more successful as Crown Prince. After 1608 he owed the Northerners the throne and he could never shake them off. In this drama he is nostalgic for the old days when he led the people and fought with them, and when he played with his little daughter. Like he said, he had dreams… but trying to pit the factions against each other exhausted him.

            I think I am well on my way to becoming a Gwanghae apologist, so it’s worth remembering that the drama also portrayed him as someone who 1) has anger issues 2) likes to wallow in self-pity and 3) has a cruel streak. I do think @sicarius has a point that the drama tried to say that in abandoning his daughter he brought his dethronement on himself, but I am also not a fan of that explanation. There was a lot more happening.

            And we see the cycle starting again with Injo, who is brought to the throne by the Westerners. He even has a VP Lee wanabee in Kim Ja-jeom. Unfortunately Injo knew much less than Gwanghae about foreign diplomacy and it resulted in the Manchu invasions.

            I thought at one point the drama was criticising the evils of factionalism, when Ba-woo criticised the sheep mentality of the factions… but then he joined the Westerners! (Which is my least favorite thing in the finale). This brings me to another point, that Ba-woo’s character seemed to lose some coherence when he became a yangban. The Ba-woo that I knew would have called them all ridiculous nobles and left them to kill each other. Joining a coup just for the purpose of getting rid of VP Lee was a really complicated and risky move, and like Sic pointed out, seemed driven more by a desire to fit fiction to history than actual character development. I don’t know if it’s my anti-Injo bias speaking, but my heart sank when Ba-woo himself opened the palace gates. He could have bossamed VP Lee or sent an assassin instead. Dae-yeop had the right idea but couldn’t do it.

            Gwanghae’s dethronement wasn’t inevitable and the drama did a good job in showing that he was not “fated” to lose the throne. However, the way we got to it wasn’t 100% satisfactory.

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            I should point out that one thing I loved is the irony that VP Lee went down in the history books as being executed for being loyal to Gwanghae, while the drama shows that actually VP Lee was doing his utmost to be disloyal. In fact his actions weakened the king’s power so much that he couldn’t/wouldn’t do much to save his throne in the end.

            I liked the actor’s portrayal. VP Lee was the main villain, and Gwanghae was someone whom I sometimes saw as a villain and at other times as a victim.

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            @wishfultoki. I think it’s interesting that Gwanghae lived a long time in exile – 18 years, while there seems to be a lot of deaths in the family in 1623?

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            @hebang Yes, I think it’s interesting that Gwanghae was allowed to live in exile and wasn’t finished off while on the island. I guess that shows how inoffensive and weak the Westerners considered him.

            I also think it’s interesting that the Westerners hardly did anything in this show and yet the king lost his throne. Gwanghae practically hands over power to them in Ep. 20. He knew what they were up to. They did not outsmart him. But the way the Westerners wrote the history made it seem like they engineered a dramatic coup.

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          Based on the bits of history I know, his policies were arguably correct/better – as shown by what happened when they were changed by those that replaced him.

          But, history isn’t written (or made) necessarily by those who were right…

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          @sicarius
          I haven’t seen the last 2 episodes yet. Does it make sense that I love the actor but not the character?
          I didn’t feel that this Gwanghae had any “purpose” besides being a poor excuse of a father and a political playmate to VP Lee. The best part for me was digging up old historical files that I kept from “Hur Jun, The Original Story”(2013).
          Don’t get me started on pitiful Dae-yeop.

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            Makes total sense lol.

            I think this in conjunction with, @ndlessjoie saying she found the ending a bit shallow, @flyingcolours finding him only reactionary and unable to think outside the box, and my own comments about about finding the show thematically dry and unconvincing in its resolution, just isolates and confirms the main problem- the thematic and character writing is weak and relatively shallow on average, and for this show to be more more satisfying overall they needed to flesh out everything and every one a lot more.
            Dae Yeop’s entire character and arc would have to be rewritten to have any of the desired impact we want from it.
            I want to defend this version of Gwanghae more but I can’t really, because there isn’t enough for me to defend. I wasn’t won over by this retelling of Yi Heon’s downfall, and although his monologue at the end is heart wrenching, it could’ve been so much more impactful overall.

            Anyway, @hebang, that’s why we just write our own versions of things, to make something out of lost potential 😉

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            I totally agree @kiara. I had a good idea Dae Yeop wasn’t going to be with us to the end, but I never cared enough about him for it to matter. Most of the characters weren’t fully fleshed out.

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        Tbh, I almost laughed in a bitterly way when Jung Yeong’s was shot to death. It was a heart-breaking scene, yes it was, but why wasting your energy wielding your sword when you can also have guns. So instead of being so immersed in this man’s demise, I felt it was anti-climatic for me. It didn’t make me like this character any less though. I agree with Sic’s opinion. that the actor portraying Jung Yeong character is just superb: He radiates this aura that I couldn’t just take my eyes off of him. Just like Tae-Chul, he was calm, composed, and his micro expressions were gold. I am very happy that this character was played by this man.

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    @wishfultoki Thank you for your efforts!

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    Excellent recap, thank you. At the end, when Bawoo and Yuri are strolling along the beach, it occurred to me that they might have joined the king in exile on Jeju and have created another found family. Is this a stretch too far? Anyway, I do wish the ending had taken us back to the outlaw family together again and not just the main leads. As someone else commented, the OTP didn’t have enough focus in the latter half and I, for one, lost the sense of their unity. The bossam felt contrived as the family hadn’t, and I needed the family unit again to feel a sense of ending. Overall though, a refreshing show and I really appreciate that you took the time to recap. On to the next Sageuk!

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      The ending was pretty open-ended/vague so it’s anyone’s guess… I think it’s unlikely they might want to live with the king in exile, but I like your theory. I wanted to see the whole family alive and well too.

      If DB doesn’t recap RED SKY I think I might. It’s a tale of Grand Prince Anpyeong’s time, which ties in nicely with the romantic novel that Soo-kyung wrote. 😁

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        Oh, yes please. Let’s hope dbs spares you the labour, but if not, long live the sageuk club. It’s so interesting having the historical background fleshed out, and with different takes on the history from everyone. I’m tolerant of narrative outcomes because writers have so many constraints, even in a 20 episode drama. I love dramas that resonate with history and create a narrative that lives within the silences. Bossam was unique in that it focussed so strongly on the role of widows and offered so much authenticity. I loved seeing how the princess’s life opened out for her, after the outrage of the kidnapping. The King’s weakness, although horribly frustrating, was tragic, as portrayed in his final speech. I hope his subsequent days were peaceful and not filled with regrets. DY had to die in order to give closure to his ill-fated love. I don’t think we could have had more character development there without sacrificing focus on the OTP (and conflicting viewers even more). Second leads are designed to squeeze our hearts. In the end he lived to be used, and I guess the same applies for his character in the drama. I wonder what an alternative drama would look like that gave him a more developed narrative arc. Rather than becoming a monk, I’d like to see him wander the world, meet a woman who loved him, and spend the rest of his happy days in a mountain retreat surrounded by little DYs.

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          I love your Dae-yeop ending.
          (Stabbed in the back grrrr.)

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            He’d still think fondly of the princess because that’s the kind of love you never get over.

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            @marcusnyc20 Not exactly what you had in mind when you said you hoped he went down swinging, right? 😭

            @jorobertson He totally wrung our hearts. I’ll pretend he went to China and took on a new identity, and 10 years later met Crown Prince Sohyeon and finally had a real friend.

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            Toki, DY not taking out VP Lee when he had the chance was a huge mistake. After he dropped his sword I knew he was a goner. (Great death scene by SHS et al).

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          I thought China was a possibility. Maybe he became a clever strategist to the Emperor and for a reward …

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        I was thinking about Red Sky. I’ve been looking forward to it. I heard, however, that character names were changed (probably due to some of the public outrage we saw with dramas like Joseon Exorcist). Do you know if this is true? I still see the original character names on the Asianwiki page for the drama.

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          Oh noo! I hadn’t heard about that. I hope they don’t decide to throw history out the window and go full fantasy/fiction. 😞

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            @wishfultoki,
            We have the two sageuk REDS coming along and both are based on novels:
            1. RED SKY is based on the novel “Hong Chun-gi” (2016) by Jung Eun-gwol who also wrote “The Moon that Embraces the Sun” (2005) and “The Lives of Sungkyunkwan Confucian Scholars (2007);
            2. RED SLEEVE CUFF is based on a novel by Kang Mi-gang. Wikipedia says RSC is based on a novel by the same name. I can’t find out in English anything about the novelist.
            Although both dramas have actual historical figures it seems that RED SKY is more a fantasy, historical romance drama and RED SLEEVE CUFF is a historical romance drama. Either way both will require research particularly RSC I would think.

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            I like a fantasy when done right (I am actually hoping that a good period piece with a fantasy or folkloric element will be made in the near future. Arang and the Magistrate remains one of my favorite dramas). That being said, if you have such an interesting historical context, you should make full use of it. Maybe we’ll find out more as we get closer to the premiere date.

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