Parallel World C-drama
Hey Beanies! Who’s watching the cool adventure-fantasy Parallel World? After @indyfan piqued my interest, I got caught up with the current episodes, and let me just say, I AM A HUGE FAN. We’ve now gotten @attiton to start watching, too! Let’s chat about the drama in the comments below 👇 Beware – spoilers are likely to abound!

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    OK, Im through episode 10. Watcha wanna talk about, @hopefulromantic? @indyfan?

    So far, I think the main theme that keeps coming up in my mind is waiting or, I suppose more generally, time. But really, waiting.

    I often feel like Im waiting for things to happen. The characters are waiting for the time to act. Maybe a better second term than time would be patience. Ye Liuxi was patient for a year waiting for the men to come find her. Chang Dong was a form of patient as he whiled away his time, pretending to be an old dude, making shadow puppets and putting on plays.

    You know who is NOT patient? Fatty Tang. Nothing good surrounds that guy.

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      That’s really interesting! I hadn’t thought about the passage of time as a theme. I actually love the pace this drama has taken… I like that there was time spent in world-building and character setup. For the three main characters, we understand their character, personalities, and motives before being thrown into a new world. In the setup episodes, I see it as a “biding their time.” Ye Liuxi was patient, but she was the one who found Chang Dong (the man in the magazine she had with her when she woke up with no memories), hooked him, and made him come find her to go into the desert. I like that she’s the one who sets everything in motion. Chang Dong was living as one who had used up his years, until Ye Liuxi “woke” him from his illusion of age. So maybe as I’m writing, I’m seeing this as a theme of dreams and wakefulness? Related to this, I’m wondering if the old man and the painter that have been used as a framing device are actually part of the story, or if they’re really just a framing device that’s going to be used to get around the censors at the end…

      Lol Fatty Tang is NOT patient 😂 I love that after Ye Liuxi freaked him out with her knife that he started calling her the equivalent of “noona” 😂 (I think? Can someone correct me if I’m wrong??)

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        If there is a lesson, it is that I am not as patient as these desert folks. Ha! In the early episodes, I did want the plot to hurry along and skipped portions. I liked tho Hopeful how you framed their pre-meeting waiting period, and how YL is the one to force it to an end for CD as well. It really does set the tone for their characters in the series. (Was I the only one thinking for a moment to drop the show thanks to that godawful mask?)

        I didnt really understand the need for painter scenes even as a framing device. But I didnt think of it as a way to get around censors. Speaking of which, did the depiction of the modern Chinese Wild West throw you off? Since then, Beanies have recommended a few other gritty series. But I still wonder if they got away with it due to the fantasy tag. And also cos its the western desert and politics of that region.

        I quite liked Fatty Tangs arc. (Id be super put off by his name but its common to label folks in my culture toonot that I like it.) I bet he didnt expect whod replace him as the star side-kick. 😂 Just you wait Seon-ha.

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          I don’t think I was as surprised by the “gritty realism” approach at the beginning because I had heard it mentioned, so I was kind of braced for it?

          I like FT’s arc, too!! He starts out as an avaricious coward, and now he’s being given room to grow – I bet he’ll end up doing something very brave and important.

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          Interestingly, I didnt do my FF trick until the fight scenes (probably a Moving reflex). I was super happy to watch them talk and wait and talk and wait some more without them even telling me what they were waiting for. Why are you just sitting in the tent sleeping and making shadow puppets, Id think from time to time. Then Id stop caring and watch, and wait.

          I think I only just got the first painter scene last night? Somewhere between episode 10-13? I loved it. Did I forget one from earlier? It was like a Dance Break only with animation? Is that what yall mean?

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            Ah! The painted scene was cool… we’re talking about the old guy who talks to the young female painter like he’s telling her a story of the drama… there should have been a couple of these scenes by 10-13?

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      I loved Ye Liuxi’s reason for waiting. She wanted to troll the people who left her those clues and are probably watching her so that they’d be like “wait…why isn’t she doing anything? Is she really just fine with just slicing melons all day and not finding out what happened to her?”

      I warmed up to Fatty Tang as the episodes went by.

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    Ill be very interested to see how the theme of shadow puppetry plays out. Theyre awesome.

    Any thoughts on that from folks are welcome! I dont mind spoilers地nd Im totally breaking my rules and catching up fast anyway.

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      Haha I’m glad you’re catching up!!! The shadow puppets do play more of a role that you’ll see soon… but I’m still not sure how they connect to the themes? I think they do reinforce the fantasy theme in that they’re traditionally used to tell stories… I’m curious to learn more!! I think they’ll be important…

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        Yeah. They play a pivotal role. But it seems a past role, right Hopeful? I would love for them to play a part in the present as well. And for it to connect with DCs expertise as well. Its such a cool, creepy mythology. They mustnt waste it.

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          I bet they will play an important role, including with Chang Dong’s skill… I think he’s more involved with the history that has set everything in motion than has been currently revealed.

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          Oh poo. You two are censoring yourselves. Im serious. I dont mind spoilers. Ill still watch for the slow-burn attraction. *snickers* That scene with the stick and she points it at him and he misses grabbing it and then insists on grabbing it and then lets go and she sticks it in his hand over and over *snickers*

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            HA! That scene made me laugh 😂 Their interactions are just such fun!! She almost takes a playground-style approach to teasing him until his walls crumble and he can acknowledge his feelings… ❤️

            There have been more plot reveals about the shadow puppets, but not about Chang Dong and the shadow puppets yet – but I think there WILL be soon…

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            Whaaat? That was such sweet wordless bonding and youve gone and ruin Oh god, thats hilarious! Why didnt I think of that. 😂

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            HOWLS OF LAUGHTER just erupted here, alone in my kitchen, @indyfan. Im so, so, very sorry. I swear my mind is often in lofty places. And it was, um, wordless bonding守m宇oo?

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    On the production front匈 get it, but we can tell it isnt night even though you put a filter on the lens because of the really intense shadows that the sun casts out here in the freaking desert. So distracting.

    Other thing尖ou know what was NOT distracting? The awesome TRON CGI that happened when they entered the gate at the end of episode 10. That was amazeballs.

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      Lol the Night scenes are sooooo dark I still have a hard time seeing what’s going on even with brightness turned all the way up!! But yes, the TRON portal CGI was truly cool (*TRON LEGACY is my out-of-left-field favorite movie*).

      On another production note, I’ve really enjoyed the action/fight scenes – they’re pretty cool and seem well choreographed for a drama like this. I think that may be because this is a bit like a modern, fantasy wuxia?

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        We are all watching this despite the production values, or perhaps because, nostalgia or something. 😀 I never watched Tron, but the second portal within the parallel world, oh dear, that was trippy. LOL.

        I do like that the characters and set are allowed to get relatively dirty and gritty. Of course, the leads are gorgeous even if they be caked in mud and wearing potato sacks. Speaking of clothes, Im so glad LYs outfits get relatively less sexy and more practical. The whole time I was worrying about sunburn/sandburn! And so distracted by that belt thingie on her chest!

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          Im ignoring that she has a bare midriff while he has on three (wise) layers including a whole overcoat.

          I focus on how much fucking body her hair has in those moments. The sand probably helps, but Im just flat-out jealous.

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    On another note… I love how the characters have been built, revealed, and developed! Especially the FL and ML feel vibrant and real (and so does their chemistry). An example of this building and revealing is when Yi Liuxi shares the notes she’s made about herself with Chang Dong…. good at fighting; loved ones either lousy or dead – they tell us about her, and also about how she sees herself. I also love that she is undisputedly the strongest and toughest in their group, and both men are willing to step back and let her protect them – which she does! And Chang Dong is an honorable, good man – my favorite type of ML!

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      Does our OTP remind you a little bit, just a wee bit of our Heartbeat one? Shes tough, no-nonsense, and hes our honorable softie? OK, yeah, I should never make that comparison, but this is one of my favorite types of couple, mostly cos its so rare.

      And I love the show doesnt play MLs softness for laughs, denigrates it in anyway. He can kill if need be, somersault over rocks he doesnt need to. (But pls dont do that parkour move again. I cringed so hard.) However, neither he, nor anyone in the show bats an eyelid when YL is in charge. So rare.

      Btw I completely forgot about that diary scene. Youre right, it was great! I do whinge a bit about the slowness of the early episodes, but that allowed them to build a genuine, slow burn romance (my favorite) and relationships across the group in general. They really feel like a solid couple and team now. So well done.

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        Now that you mention it, they do remind me of them a little! But that combo – she the tough one, he the soft one – is one of my favorites, too. Just like you said, I LOVE that Chang Dong’s soft-heartedness isn’t scoffed at or played for laughs. He still does what needs to be done to protect them, but he also feels deeply. Lovely!! It also gives such a nice push/pull to their relationship… she wants his leg, he wants her heart ❤️

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          OMG. That line of hers was so out of left field. I swear she ad libbed it. He looked genuinely surprised. 😂

          Im so glad youre remembering all these details. Ive forgotten everything till you jog my memory.

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            Haha he looked shocked!😂 His reaction was a combo of, I’m pretty sure that’s a joke, but I know she could follow through 😅 So many of their interactions feel so natural that it makes me wonder how much of their dialogue was ad libbed?? If any?

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        No, I actually cant say that they do地nd Im not just saying that to ward off the INFINITELY BAD MOJO youre bringing on by saying it. They remind me more of Han and Leia, if Han had an artistic side-hobby.

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          OK, yeah. That was bad, Indy, bad. Apologies.

          I guess it could be Leia, but even more kickass. And if I squint real hard, I can see Han, but DC is a whole lot sweeter, not a spoon, but a jar full of more sugar.

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        @indyfan @attito @asianromance
        Oh HEY you mean this parkour scene? That parkour moment was cringy funny – I’m glad the ML is kind of (an adorable) dork 🙈

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          Oops – @attiton I meant to @ you!

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          HahahahahahaHAlololololthats exactly it!!! So silly of Chang Dong. And so, unlike him!!

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            … almost like he was trying to show off and impress her like a kid on the playground “Are you watching? Watch me do something cool!” 😆❤️

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          😂😂😂 The Office is Gif Gold I tell you, gold. You know sometimes in a drama they forget a characters traits they showed a few episodes ago and you roll your eyes? Well, I hope that happens with his parkour skillz. LOL. Taking some courses at the local Y (or equivalent) does not an expert make.

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      I loved the diary scene as another example of Liuxi’s competence. She didn’t freak out upon discovering herself left for dead in the middle of the desert with a case of amnesia to boot. She lost her memories but not her intelligence or cool, analytical mind.

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    All credit to @mayhemf for recommending it first. They may have dropped it, but well keep going.

    I believe @marysadanaga and @asianromance are watching. Maybe @dorotka ? Tagging just in case.

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      Thanks. I have seen two episodes and it is definitely interesting! It reminds me of something, it’s on the tip of my tongue, but constantly slipping…
      Anyway, I think you guys have a much faster pace than me (I have lately energy just for some daily outside my usual watching schedule 😆).

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        Come back whenever, Dorotka! If you tag us, I know well all come rushing back to hear what you have to say!

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        No worries, Dorotka – you can join in the conversation anytime, no matter how much you’ve watched!

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    Out of space on the painterly scenes, so moving here如lus I have a new topic (sorry that Im like this, folks).

    Ah, @hopefulromantic, maybe Ive not seen the painterly scenes, as I dont know a female painter yet.

    ALTHOUGH this does remind me of another theme I thought of in the night (I slept fine, but it was a little fitful)安hich was stories within the storylike parallel worlds. I kept thinking it was funny when Liuxi would stop at an important scene and say Wanna hear a scary story?

    But then it kept happening, and then another character would do itand apparently there are even more.

    So, stories within stories within stories. Where does it all end??? @indyfan we may be back at Buddhism.

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      Eeek yes!!! Stories within stories!!! And my prediction is that Ye Liuxi and Chang Dong are both part of the original stories in ways they’re not currently aware of… I love the storytelling, the “oral tradition” with the traditional methods of storytelling… this flavor of fantasy is LIKE MY FAVORITE THING. Borrowing from literature, it’s taking a Robin McKinley approach to purposefully leaving much unexplained, which adds to the mystery. I’m firmly of the opinion that fantasy works best when it’s not over-explained. If there’s an explanation and definition for everything, the magic is gone… if you provide a technical manual for everything that’s happening; well, now you’ve got science fiction 🤷‍♀️

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        Another risk of over-explanation is that the logic and world-building start to fail … and then you see the holes instead of getting sucked into the story. I like how we get little bits of information here and there about the parallel world (and who knows how reliable these various storytellers are). The world itself has a great blend of fantasy and realism — yes, there are shapeshifting creatures, but you still have to find gas for the SUV and pay for your motel room.

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          LOL. I know. I keep worrying about the gas. It’s (in part) pandemic-panic rearing its ugly head…

          More, @marysadanaga, more more comments!

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            Haha I worry about the gas, too!!! I love the magical realism approach to fantasy

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            I worry about the gas too, especially since cars are rare in that world. When Fatty Tang had to toss an entire tank, I almost screamed. But apparently that car that is carrying 5 people and all their belongings…gets amazing mileage. Maybe it’s a hybrid??

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            @asianromance

            Didnt FT somehow burn down a whole city with just that one tank of gas? And it wasnt even effective on those vines? Or did I imagine that?

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            Yes, FT torched color-I-cant-remember town via those vines, although he ended up on his knees about it

            @indyfan

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            @indyfan I think they later learned that torching those vines was the opposite thing you really should have done when confronted with those vines.

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        I too like the idea of stories within stories, but I am not quite sold on how PW is using the painters to frame the story. It feels a little throwaway. Watching cautiously.

        While Im not reading much fantasy these days, Id love to take a break from the heavy stuff now and then. Hopeful, what Robin McKinley would you recommend to start with?

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          Yeah, I’m cautious about how those painters are going to play into the framing of the story 😬

          I love Robin McKinley – I hope you like her, too, if you get a chance to read anything of hers! Her books are very slow… think first five eps of Parallel World. I happen to love that pace and find it soothing/relaxing. Two of my favorites are Spindle’s End and Chalice, but those aren’t as popular. I more recently read her two most famous books, The Blue Sword and The Hero and the Crown, and loooooooved them. They’ll all be a break from heavier themes!!

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    Ive never seen PPL for oil which is clearly lotion but has no brand. I think theyre doing it wrong.

    PS: Comfort scenes are the best. Also scenes in the hospital where the cute young man is clearly upset but doesnt know how to comfort, those are also awesome.

    PPS: Ah, yes, the painterly scenes. I had seen one, but had forgottenway early on.

    @marysadanaga @indyfan @hopefulromantic

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      Haha I had the same reaction to the PPL – I was like, Hold on, aren’t you going to show me the brand???

      Aww I LOVE LOVE LOVE all the comfort scenes!!!! With the FL/ML and then with that scrappy princess and her stoic bodyguard who would obviously walk through fire for her but doesn’t know how to explain that he would do that in a ~romantic~ sense ❤️

      As an aside, that bodyguard actor is also in Love Like the Galaxy as one of the SMLs, and one of the few characters I actually liked (I still haven’t finished, and I’m not sure I will… I have a lot of problems with that drama, even though it’s opulently magnificent) – I’m glad to see him in something else!

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        Agree, I’m glad I can root for him to wind up with the SFL in this drama (instead of how he was SML’d in LLTG). His loveline with the princess in Parallel Worlds is adorable. They’re the more immature couple that everyone but them can see is perfect for each other. It’s a fun contrast to the more mature, communicative leads.

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          Yes exactly!!!! I’ve actually been surprised at how invested I am in their relationship. They’re a really cute contrast – the SFL is more scatterbrained, and the SML is more stoic, and they’re just adorable.

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    This stupid, MAJESTIC rooster has my heart. Y’all weren’t wrong. He’s got me making gifs. The only gifs I’ve wanted to make so far, all contain this bird.

    Look at how he struts into this interrogation room. Totes owns the place. PLUS, he’s like an alarm chicken, warning you of incoming dangers. AND, so what if he’s a voyeur, always around when sexy times call. I mean a rooster’s gotta roost.

    @indyfan @hopefulromantic @asianromance @marysadanaga

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      HA!😂 That interrogation scene with the rooster’s self-assured confidence… so fun! And a super useful alarm system. Yay Seon-ha I’m glad you’re having fun with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        Yay, join us on the Rooster Ride. May he never be roasted.

        Should we have a new PW post leading with Rooster gifs (if they are coming, no pressure)? Maybe then we can switch the focus from the start to the middle of the series? Or is it best to just continue here? Not sure how this works.

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          It works the way we want it to work!! The beauty of being totally in charge is that the world is your oyster.

          I wasnt going to make any more rooster gifs, unless there were direct requests, but I do think that having a second post to start post-second-wormhole conversations would be swell.

          You offering to host? Id love to come to your house, @indyfan

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            I could. But lemme get home (in transit), recover and watch last weeks episodes finally. In a day or two? Unless someone else is up for it?

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            @indyfan I dont think theres a rush But if anybody else wants to take this up, thats fine with me!

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            Just out of curiosity, where are you at currently in your watch, Seon-ha?

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            @hopefulromantic I’m finishing episode 20 at the moment. Well, not at this very moment. Right now, I’m typing to you in a moment before going into meeting number 5 today.

            I’m also daydreaming about the episode of DWY that I won’t be able to watch for 5 more hours…hoping it’s awesome…AND STAYING OFF THE FAN WALL.

            So, after DWY later tonight…No…Let’s face it, after I watch DWY twice tonight (because that’s usually what happens), I’ll be finishing episode 20 of PW.

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            Awesome @attiton!! You’ve really caught up quickly!! Haha this was an easy bingewatch for me to get caught up with, too 😊

            YIKES five meetings in one day!!! 😬 Good luck, and I’m glad you have some eps to look forward to to relax after work!

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      Yall?? Wandong and Chang Dong are NOT that different of a name. I get it. I get it. East/West. Shadow Puppets/Not Shadow Puppets安e shall satisfy these dichotomies with this relationship FOREVAH.

      @indyfan @hopefulromantic @asianromance @marysadanaga

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        YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!! 💯💯💯 I’ve been rewatching the early episodes (obsessed? I’m not obsessed!), and I have theories, you guys… I think (1) he and she are both part of the prophecy, and (2) Chang Dong is either the reincarnation of that original wizard, OR he and Ye Liuxi are the reincarnations of that king and his queen who split the worlds in the first place. If there’s a reincarnation reveal, that would also potentially explain the “modern” painter + grandpa framing device that could say “it’s all just FICTION” at the end, because I think reincarnation/transmigration of souls is one of the censor no-no’s for modern dramas (??? I’m not sure – can someone correct me?) Because the first time the light puppets find them in the desert, I think they were either calling to Chang Dong, or he drew them to him – they were responding to him, not Ye Liuxi, because he’s the other half of the prophecy. It can’t be a coincidence that he is a master at this traditional craft!!!

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          Love your theory it really does seem that both of them have a deep and destined connection to the parallel world.

          Remember when the central problem was recovering the bodies of the lost expedition?!?? When that story wrapped up well before the halfway point I wondered what else the show would explore. Well just about everything you could imagine and a million things you couldnt! 🤯

          This shows vibe = Yes, there seem to be dragons circling overhead, but no big deal, weve got other things to worry about.

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            I like how you described it – a deep and destined connection! That also emphasizes @attiton‘s analysis of the beautiful symmetry of East/West, shadow puppets/not shadow puppets. I’m really loving the vibe – lol it reminds me of a lot of the YA fantasy fiction I’ve loved 😁

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      Until we start a new thread for the back part of the series let me just say, I watched ep. 26 and OMG this writer keeps finding new ways to surprise. Cant wait to get your takes. I dont think we need to worry about this show having too many episodes to sustain our interest. Its reverse nesting doll or chambered nautilus the story and stakes keep getting bigger and were making discoveries along with the characters.

      Regarding the painting device and potential strategies to dodge the censors, the show addresses the tension between security and personal freedoms in an authoritarian regime, as well as slavery and forced labor that privileges the elite few, and control of trade with the outside world all in the name of safety and stability. So yeah, themes that could raise some governmental eyebrows.

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        Eek I’m going to watch ep 26 tonight! Your comment makes me really excited!!! Ooh I love your analysis of the political themes… yes, I agree that these themes could be problematic with the censors… I wonder if it helped them be more under the radar since this one seems smaller budget and not as hyped up? Either way, very excited.

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    Who wants to take a bet that, in episode 23, when Uncle Ao walks in and calls Cheng Dong, Gao Dong…that was an actual mistake by the actor??? That then the other two male leads covered up (poorly, even :))?

    @indyfan @hopefulromantic @asianromance @marysadanaga

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Don\’t mind me; I\’ll just be over here waiting to read y\’all\’s thoughts and feelings about Destined With You now that I\’m an outside observer 😁

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    Ha. I now feel surveilled. 🧐

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      Ha! 😂 No, I’m just looking forward to hearing how it’s going, and if it will sway me to come back and finish it later…

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    Same!
    I feel like now I’m truly able to enjoy the show. 😎
    Can’t wait for the recaps and comments.

    PS. Moss is just ADORABLE.

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    This was me during My Lovely Liar. Karma (in the popular sense) I guess. But dramaland will eventually get us aaaaall.

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      I dunno…I actually need to cultivate this skill. I was going to respond with “**cough**My Dearest**cough**” but then I remembered how I couldn’t actually stop myself from WATCHING THE WHOLE DAMN THING TOO (albeit with a heavy FF finger).

      How do I not also watch??? Teach me. I am your Padawan learner, oh great Jedi Masters.

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        As my Jedi schooling ending after the first three films (with an exception here and there), alas I cannot be your master in that line of philosophy.

        However, I was referring to the inevitability of all of us going down in flames with some drama or the other. So watch out popcorn eaters.

        And, how could you impugn upon My Dearest? We will tear out our hair, beat our chests. But it will be for the most satisfying, beautiful of crying. The popcorn eaters will be carried away in a flood of salt waters.

        Also, Im currently crying. I have one bar. I can barely get this site to load. How will I stream DWY. 😭

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          “Going down in flames with one drama or another” 👈 So true, so true. The flames will pop the popcorn, though!! 😁 🍿

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            True. True. For someone else. 😀

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            So true… I keep telling myself I can come out of this Heart ❤ Beat induced anxiety and angst … still processing apparently. Can’t i get a pre-end drama leap or an amnesia wand or something.

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          Hmm. Sounds like you might have it pretty bad for DWY, Indy.

          As always, I’m here for you. I’ll make your gifs and write you a better drama, if need be.

          I also had this thought: “If DWY goes down in flames this week or next, at least that’ll be better than going down in the last FIVE minutes. I can handle this. I can handle this.

          Tell me it is so, Internet Friends!!!

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            It’s Infinitely better than in the last five minutes!!! HB was such a disorienting drama experience; it makes me feel like I’ve come out of that experience a more resilient drama-watcher. Or at least that’s what I tell myself. But it’s also made me really jumpy with dramas – I’ve been dropping them left, right, and center lately.

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        See, I skipped My Dearest because it sounds like it’ll be super sad.

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    The reincarnation story has started (so the sageuk scenes) and ohhh man I’m loving it.

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    @lapislazulii @hopefulromantic @indyfan @cecilieDK @sonai

    I’m done with my “early Jae-kyung” essay :). When everyone’s awake, feel free to go check it out and comment, if you like:

    https://www.dramabeans.com/activity/p/1457673/

    Also, I did this tonight in part because I know for a fact now that I won’t be able to resist a gif-fest for episodes 9-10, I just don’t know what focus the community will bring to it. What I did know is that if I didn’t get this thing “published,” I’d start getting BEHIND, and buhjesus, is this my JOB now???

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#MadDog
Hey Beanies! 😊 @attiton and I are doing a watch-and-chat of Mad Dog here on the fanwall, and you\’re welcome to join us! One of us will post a comment here every so often as a place to talk about a set of episodes. I\’ve seen eps 1-3, so I\’m going to add some thoughts on those in the comments below.
@seeker @elinor

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    So I thought this was going to be the insurance version of Numbers, and I think that’s the general idea, but it hasn’t gripped me yet like Numbers did. But I’ve been told it gets better, and I get to enjoy Woo Do Hwan’s lovely, lovely voice, so I’m definitely continuing! I was much more affected by the story and passing of the insurance maknae than by the ML’s own family trauma. As soon as we meet the new insurance guy (the SML from Our Blooming Youth!!!), I knew he was going to die, but it still hurt. Then I was surprised to see Park Sung-Hoon (!!!), playing a villain… again. I’ve also been weirded out by the fact that the only (?) female character is being used as an eye candy prop – I think they are going for a bit of a Mission Impossible vibe? Oh well. So far, it’s an easy watch that doesn’t demand my whole attention or deeply involve my emotions, which is a win!! And also Woo Do Hwan 😍

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      I love how, on Viki, theres a Soompi article there on (my) Mad Dog page with the headline, What To Watch If Youre Already Missing Woo Do Hwan. I mean what does one do if one already misses Woo Do-hwan while watching Woo Do-hwan? I think thats happened to me during Joseon Attorney! Imagining the moment when he wouldnt be speaking in his dulcet tones and gallivanting 🙆‍♀️

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        “Dulcet tones and gallivanting” 😆 That’s his charm in a nutshell!! And that’s all I want from this drama, haha! So far, there’s been some of both, so I’m pleased 😊

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      OOH. I just had an idea about why this doesnt feel like Numbers. Because the one-upsmanship game is between two people that I want to both LIKE. Theres no villain like Han Je-kyun to just hate on. I mean, even though he was our dear Seung-Jos dad, that was no reason to care for him.

      We can hate the insurance fraudsters like the economic fraudsters, but its like the good guys are one-upping one another, and thats sort of a waste. Maybe thats what settles down and makes the show more enjoyable?

      I wont spam to much moreto do that would drown out other folks who want to join in, I am awarebut Ill have one last larger post below and then will join the commenting crowd on other folks ideas!!!

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        I really like that idea!! I think that describes well what I’m feeling. There’s disharmony and discord right now, but I know they do team up, so… hopefully the dynamic shifts to the more enjoyable soon!!

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      While watching I didnt realise Numbers was gripping still tuned in weekly. Yes I get the vibe youre going for.

      The ML trauma is a hard one to sympathise with well-worn trope but just cant seem to recall anyone where it really hit you.

      Yes we are all in for our Woo Do-hwan fix!

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      What ?? Ok, I though that Number would be the accounting version of Squad team 38 and Mad dog an insurance version. But I utterly disliked Numbers, and I adored Mad dog even more than the other fraud-team investigation.
      I love Woo Do Hwan, and the dynamic with Yoo Ji Tae not unlike in Healer.

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        I haven’t seen Squad 38 yet, but I’ll put it on my list!! The dynamic between the MLs in Mad Dog really is similar to Healer 😀

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      Numbers grabbed me from the start because it was passionately acted, dramatic, all-in nonsense right out of the gate. I was wondering how accounting was going to be made (a) interesting and (b) not Tracer and it let me know immediately. This is taking a little more time to set a tone. I wasn’t as skeptical about insurance fraud investigation being an excuse for lots of action, because insurance cases by their nature can involve accidents, death, mysterious circumstances, deceit, and dangerous circumstances.

      I’m into ep. 5 now and this has predictably turned into The Woo Do-hwan Show for me, too. I’d never seen him except in a few bath random scenes from Joseon Attorney, and he is living up to the hype.

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        Oh, yeah, the bath.

        But really, I mean, I keep posting this, but for a reason: https://imgur.com/4QOtAvz

        I watch many scenes from Bloodhounds many, discrete, scenes.

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          YEAH @elinor!! The Woo Do Hwan show!! That’s where I’m at with my investment in the show, too.

          And FWIW, there were like, a lot of bath scenes in Joseon Attorney, which was pretty much a one-man show for our boy.

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    I’m going to start it this weekend – maybe even tonight!

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      YAY!!! Join us!!! Depending on everyone’s watch schedules, we can probably discuss a couple of episodes a week! (P.S. sorry for the spoilers 😅)

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        No worries, I assume there will be spoilers here and there and I’ll probably forget these particular ones anyway because what you wrote is meaningless to me without context. I’m excited!

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          So excited. I have kimchi jjigae to eat (I left my Korean food desert!!!) and my suitcase to unpack and then Im going to remind myself what the first three episodes were about妃ore v. soon.

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            WHOA I’m jealous – no Korean restaurants near me!! That’s definitely one of the many dishes I want to try sometime 😊 Enjoy your meal, and I’ll look forward to hearing your thoughts!!

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    Uh, I think how Im going to do this is post in smallish bits with one idea each, so folks can respond to subsections rather than one long post? Im gonna wing this. It may not work.

    Poor Gen X: Yet Again Never Measuring Up
    If Ive said it once, Ive, well, said it oncethese poor Gen X male actors! Both Yoo Ji-tae (Kang-woo) and Choi Won-young (bit part here, but the co-ML in Mystic Pop-up Bar) have this way about them that drives me up the wall. Theres like a macho swagger to them that, like, angers me. Probably because theyre close to my age and remind me of men I actually know rather than fake men that I can distance myself from like our dearest WDH. It only makes things worse that they have to play against actors like WDH, Ji Chang-wook and Yook Sung-Jae.

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      I really liked Yoo Ji-tae in Healer – like a LOT – but here there’s an intangible something (swagger, like you said?) that just annoys me in this role 🤷‍♀️ … So far, at least. But Woo Do Hwan already delights me in his role, so it all evens out. I think because the plot is leaning too hard on the melo this early, it has actually taken me out of the emotions, which means I watched all the tragedy dry-eyed (a rarity for me!).

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        My biggest issue with Choi Won-young so far is: why is he wearing his tie that weird way, with half of it over his dress shirt collar? I thought it was a wardrobe malfunction the first time, but it’s consistent.

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          Yeah, that tie/collar thing becomes like his schtick/concept, doesnt it? It feels deeply 1984 to me, somehow, like something High Wham! would have worn. Also, how wrong could I have been about the bit part thing? I sort of which his part were, indeed, smaller so that we wouldnt have to look at these fashion choices or, now that Im on a rant and cant stop, his horrible haircut!!

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            YEAH what is up with his collar/tie disarray? Is it supposed to indicate fashion? Dissipation? His lax moral character??? I’m so confused every time I see it and his weird haircut that looks like he did it himself

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          There seems to be a slit on the left collar where the tie goes in and the comes out on top of the right collar. Very distracting and unfashionable … perhaps an idol can carry it off in a concept photoshoot but here the skewed tie and bad haircut makes him look like a wannabe.

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            In todays postI got a good screenshot of this horrid fashion geometry

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    On the Backstory Episodes
    I agree totally with Hopeful that the first two episodes are all backstory, Episode 1 being backstory to insurance fraud and Episode 2 being backstory to co-MLs trauma.

    Heres something interesting. I watched (it turns out) 2.5 episodes only maybe three weeks back. As I was skimming episode 1, I thought, Hey, this was more interesting in retrospect than it was while I was watching the first time! Like when the building fell down, I was anticipating WDHs experiment on the roof later, and was all, Huh! Interesting! But, of course, I couldnt have had that thought the first time through安hat would it be like to have a drama thats only good on second watch? I mean, not a very good drama 😆

    I also remembered that I literally sat on my FF button for the entirety of episode 2. It was a mix between yes yes, sad sad夙ot it. [Eek, Im cold-hearted!] but also I dont want to sit through an entire makjang hour of his sadness and the horror of losing your family!!! Perhaps Im not the right audience for this particular approach to backstory. But again, going through it again quickly, it was like studying for a test and sort of knowing the material. Ah yes, this and that plot point夷nteresting, yes, THAT is going to come back.

    Sounds like youre in a similaralthough nicerboat, Hopeful, insofar as episode 1 was more interesting to you than 2.

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      Haha oh no, I used FF for all the scenes of him crying over his family 😅 I just couldn’t connect with his style of crying (contrast that with WDH in Joseon Attorney, when he had me ugly-sobbing for 1.5 episodes)… think part of it is that the reveal and descent into deep emotions is too soon – I’m not so fully invested within the first two episodes to cry for his loss. If the reveal of his personal connection had come later, maybe I would have cried with him. Dramas do need to take some time to create those connections with the viewers, I think. These are all such great observations, Seon-ha!! Much deeper than my reflections, which were much more along the lines of, “LOOK! Park Sung-Hoon!” 😂

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        Oh my stars, I cried so much over JA. That second-to-last episode, I think it was. Why did people hate on that drama so much?? I think it was all the other characters, perhaps

        As for my comments, I hope they dont limit conversation or set any expectations that folks dont want. I like to start conversations, not stop them!

        Are you going to try Kidnapping Day because of Park Sung-hoon? I know @elinor is watching. Im going to wait and see冰lue said it turned dark in episode 2, and I cant imagine that its going to be too dark for me.

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          I’m going to wait and see with Kidnapping Day – especially since Blue said it turned dark.

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            I love it so far! It’s not that dark, yet – it just delivered what we already knew would happen, which is murder. Or rather, discovery that a murder had occurred. The show is premised on kidnapping, murder, and the dad/kid duo being fugitives so of course it’s got that darkness, but it has definitely delivered the “comedy” part of “dark comedy.” Dive in!

            I’ll be back with Mad Dog reax today.

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            Thanks for the report, @elinor! It does really intrigue me, but I think this one may be a better bingewatch for me so that I don’t have to wait anxiously week to week 😊

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            The thought that Dramabeans was gone for good and Id never hear @elinors thoughts on Mad Dog奸ets just say, it didnt make my yesterday any easier 🙃

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        Yeah, I FF’d or ate my salad without looking at the screen A LOT during the crying. He’s sad, we get it, next. I also had to look away from most of the plane crash scenes because that was simultaneously too fearfully real and too poorly CGI’d, if that makes sense.

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          This will, forever more, be how I think of you when I imagine you not wanting to watch a part of a drama:

          Elinor: Ooh, I fear that this will be both poorly done and designed to tug on my heartstrings.
          Show: [Does exactly that]
          Elinor: How to cope? Which do I choose? Fast-forward button??? Or, better yetsalad????

          Glorious. Just glorious.

          I just get angry, fast-forward too far, then have to rewind some because I over-shot, making a one-hour show last easily 90 minutes, when I could have just watched and gotten it over with. Ive got no salad option, is what Im telling you.

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            😆 Salad is usually a poor choice for my drama-eating because I have to look at it if I want to get it on my fork instead of my lap. I may have to develop a list of salad-worthy dramas or classification of salad-ready scenes.

            I have developed better FF/rewind skills over time, but still often panic-rewind back to exactly the point I started to FF in the first place. I wish there were more forward/back options on streaming platforms. Prime and Tubi are the worst – 30 seconds is the only option, which is usually too much.

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          It makes perfect sense! It is simultaneously so real and so NOT real…

          Sometimes I FF, sometimes I mute 🤷‍♀️

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            But do you have a salad option, Hopeful??? If so, what is it?

            Also, Id take a mute video choice. Like when Kang-woo tells the boys not to monitor his conversation with whats-her-insurance-CEOs-daughter and theyre like fine, but only turn off the video monitor在ut still listen? Im way more affected by sight than sound, and I only understand 10% of the Korean anyway在ut I would still be able to tell when to turn the sound back on!! And, hey, I could eat my salad during that time!!

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            @attiton I don’t have a salad option, but maybe I should! (Does checking emails or Dramabeans count?) If the culprit is primarily auditory – i.e., excessive aegyo or crying or shrieking, I’ll mute. If it’s scary-ness or I think there will be a jump scare, I cover the screen. If there’s something really terrible happening, like violence *with sound effects,* I cover the screen AND mute and only peek at the subtitles to see when it’s safe again 😅 Maybe I’ll just start calling that strategy my “Salad Option.”

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      I liked how the drama introduces / sets up Woo Do-hwan’s character in episode 1 –

      a. The very first scene narrating a story about insurance scams.

      b. Then nothing till halfway through the episode when he has meet-cutes Ha-ri and Kang-woo. We are led to believe he is meeting them for the first time and is just trying to be a good employee to the architect.

      c. Meeting the Mad Dog team at their office is where he first shows his hand a bit.

      d. The end of the episode reveal about his identity.

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      Random thoughts which popped up while watching episode 1:

      – Omo that’s the guy from Oldboy (remembered him from Healer much later),

      – Omo omo that’s JIN MU (from Alchemy of Souls), then spent most of the time expecting him to turn on a dime,

      – building collapse triggered my Just Between Lovers shopping mall collapse trauma,

      – Eh … does tapping fingers like that actually increase mental acuity?

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        Also Woo Do-hwan makes the perfect Black Agent Kim Do-ha from My Lovely Liar complete with glasses and black suit.

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          While backstory for a drama character is important – to set up the character, understand their motivations, what to they want where they are headed – episode 2 even with chock-full information seemed like a filler. Nothing which could not have been conveyed in 10 minutes.

          Also drama, show (in character’s behavior, interactions, responses) not tell (in painfully elaborate detail) is a good way to tell your story.

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            Although the drama sets up Kim Min-joon as a character who is many steps ahead of the Mad Dog gang, at times Yoo Ji-tae’s acting prowess tends to over power Woo Do-hwan.

            Admittedly, Choi Kang-woo is not a particularly endearing character, and Yoo Ji-tae’s acting is old school but Woo Do-hwan’s relative lack of acting experience shows. He barely put a foot wrong in The King: Eternal Monarch and Joseon Attorney.

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        Shaman does it in DWY地nd she seems smart!

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        The “Omo, that’s so-and-so from so-and-so!” has been really fun with this show 😄👍 Lots of famous faces!

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    Oh, side note before I start my last post here (which is way shorter than I thought!)刑o you think that Min-joon is actually afraid of bugs (from that scene in the architects office)??? Also, every part of me wants to call him Jan, because this stupid Notes app understands Jan as a name, and I dont have to ride herd on typing Min-joon which can come out as ANYTHING after auto-correct gets a hold of it.

    Episode 3
    Oooh, Im not so fond of deus ex machina/one-of-a-kind illnesses.

    Oooh, Im not so fond of anyone hitting Woo Do-hwan like that.

    Yeah, Im still not gripped. I need to see these guys working as a team. Also, for them to stop being proud assholes. Too much to ask? Im still in匈 am promised improvement!

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      Lol I didn’t think he was really afraid of bugs, but maybe he is?? And yes – I need everyone to crank down the arrogance by a LOT. Sheesh, you all want the same thing (I think), just collaborate on a solution. But it should get better!!

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        I hope this is the usual kdrama exaggeration during the character establishment phase, and everyone will calm down a little and swagger and pose a little less. I appreciate that Ha-ri, as of ep. 3, is already showing less of a tits-and-ass approach and more skill and resourcefulness – although women should get to use whatever tools they have in a man’s world, which so far this show definitely is.

        I also dislike the rare-illness trope, but I googled Lafora disease and it might not have been the worst one to pick, as it does cause seizures that manifest the way the guy who died in the car fire showed.

        I want Min-joon to be afraid of bugs so we can have some sort of ridiculous situation from which Ha-ri can rescue him later on.

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          I’m so glad you Googled it, because I was too lazy to do that and decided to give them the benefit of the doubt – “it’s just crazy enough to be real” was my approach 😅 I’m glad it had plausible authenticity at least!

          Pt. 2: I want that too, Elinor.

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          “…usual kdrama exaggeration during the character establishment phase”

          It does tend to be too much in all characters.

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        The “afraid of bugs” did seem put on at first watch but by the end it was confirmed that not only did Min-joo know all about them but was playing the Mad Dog team.

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    @dncingemma This was the first post (there have only been two).

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#DestinedWithYou
Jae-gyeong when Hong-jo and Shin-yu told him about the spell

…Jang Shin-yu, all the time apparently

And then there\’s me, reacting to all the nonsense




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    The neural coupling thing REALLY got me.

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    @attiton @lapislazulii @indyfan
    You know what, I think I may have dropped this one. I haven’t seen ep 8 yet, and I’m thinking I might not… I’m so disappointed in the writers for not having Shin-yu make a clean break with SFL before confessing his real feelings and kissing Hong-jo. What weak and icky behavior. The more I think about it, the more upset I get. The way to solve this narrative mess was NOT to double-down on the cheating angle. Ugh. So that’s why I’m not going to be in the recap comments tomorrow! BUT SERIOUSLY, what is UP with writers doing weirdly disappointing things with plots lately???

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      Understood, @hopefulromantic!!! A big UGH that this is a drama that really gets to you! For me, it’s MLL–I’m still not over how upset I became this week.

      WHAT IS UP???

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        And who knows, maybe I’ll come back to it later after I see how they decide to resolve all this, but for right now, I’m upset 😞 And I’m sorry about MLL… What is happening right now with these romance dramas??? Seriously.

        Lol, here’s a little hyperbole

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          I also dont want to spoil #8 for you as @lapislazulii but really, it just treads the same murky waters. Sigh. I hate that my theory the even episodes are better was wrong.

          Ill probably keep watching for a few episodes more tho. Just how I am.

          Im getting my fantasy rom-com kicks from Parallel World. I laughed last night. I swooned. Half way done. Its good. I know the angst is coming but it seems more external action driven than this nonsense. 🤞🏽

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            I’ve seen your and Blue’s updates on Parallel World, and it sounds fun!! I hope it continues to go well – I want to try it, but I’ll probably wait to see how it ends, just in case. I hope it continues to be swoony and funny!!

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            @hopefulromantic I understand. You have to wonder if all this live watching fun with Beanies is worth it sometimes, given all the pain these dramas inflict sometimes.

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            @indyfan aww I really enjoy the live watching experience with all you cool Beans! ❤️ But it’s stressful for me to start a drama and not know how it’s going to end, haha 😅 I used to only watch previously-aired dramas so I could check and see if the plot and ending would be ok for me. I’ll keep live-watching in the future (a few upcoming dramas sound intriguing!), but I’ll be poised and ready to drop when things go south, lol

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            @indyfan and @hopefulromantic

            For what its worth, Ive adored these last two episodes of DWY. Ive watched them both three times each. To each their own, I know在ut this show is not pain to me.

            Ill step back for yall to vent on it. The folks who said I told you so can take over. But this show is currently about being swayed, Id say地nd I think Im not in the mainstream on this one. This shows doing a damn good job with it in these two episodes.

            Itll probably all go to shit for ALL OF US soon, because as Hopeful so rightly said WHAT IS UP??? But right now, this show can just在e妃ine. Im OK with that.

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            @attiton, I’m really glad you’re still enjoying it!!!! And like I said earlier, depending on how everything gets resolved, I may be back later… It’s so interesting that you mentioned rewatching the episodes, because I was just thinking about the fact that this is the only drama in recent memory where I would rewind scenes to watch them OVER and OVER again – there’s a special spice somewhere in the mix with this drama that – up until the cheating shenanigans – I couldn’t get enough of!

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            @attiton Same as Hopeful. Glad youre liking it! And dont get me wrong. Rowoon swaying had me swooning for a bit so I plan to keep watching. But for me the show has done a poor job of demonstrating the forces that have lead Rowoon to the said swaying. Ill think a bit more on that pre-recap. Its time to get ready to head out here.

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            You may spoil! I’ve watched 8 now – and yeah I was also holding out hope but it somehow got messier lol 😭 I’ll also be sticking around because I’m annoyed as but don’t feel like dropping it (go figure) – we shall be annoyed together, and also hold out desparate hope that things start steadying (this directly translates to: JANG SHIN YU CAN YOU PLEASE BREAK UP WITH HER ALREADY!!!).

            I need to try Parallel World out – the fan wall posts has my interest piqued!!

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            @lapislazulii PW isn’t for everyone. Really not. But it sure is entertaining to some of us.

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      That’s so fair!! Without trying to spoil anything, I just finished ep 8 and basically spent the whole time trying not to shake the screen🙃 I’m going to have to pull myself together for tomorrow’s recap because I want to write alot just to vent lol but don’t want to spam everyone with a nonsensical essay either shdkajshdiuehaksjhdakjsdhakjsdew

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    All of these are absolutely GOLD omg I’m laughing so much at the first and second GIFs especially 😂 You’re brilliant Hopeful!! 👏 👏👏

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      Aww thank you Lapislazulii!🥰 The first part of ep. 7 was SO FUNNY (And seeing both ML and SML being THIS CLOSE to breaking character and starting to giggle during that sequence was DELIGHTFUL). But then it went downhill 😑 *SIGH*

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        If it wasn’t a known fact that this drama was written and filmed a while ago, I’d be mighty convinced that the writers saw our theories and how much fun we were having and then set out to spite us 😪

        You know what though, I wasn’t really sparing SML a second glance until he let loose and relaxed a bit in ep 7, and then I was like ‘oh wait hang on 👀 …”. Also the fact that our ML is being annoying (to say the least) is doing a lot to make the SML seem more attractive too lol. They bETTER come out with a really great explanation next week (like someone will die if SY and NY break up or the entire fate of his dad’s company is resting on this marriage going through).

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          Yes to ALL of this!! Haha it’s funny because I’ve had the same thought recently about drama writers catering to our theories – but then I remembered it was already done filming! 😂 And the SML was decidedly more pleasant once he started warming up in ep. 7. But UGH to all the rest of it 😩

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            It wasnt my gif that had you re-thinking your position on the 2ML? Because I thought I made a pretty convincing case with my chosen seconds

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            @attiton it was very convincing and definitely helped drive the point home (who knew glasses could also make all the difference?!)

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    Oh, hey, @hopefulromantic吁peaking of binging rather than live-watching, Im still in for Mad Dog! I remember you said that you were going to fan-wall post maybe this weekendand whenever is finebut I was just thinking through my WWW post for this weekend and I wanted to touch base because夷f not DWY, then maybe we can think through a drama together whose ending we already know! Whatever will disappoint us here wont be surprising anyway, because we can just spoil it for ourselves by reading past Beanies or asking current ones!!! Also Woo Do-hwan.

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      Thanks for the reminder @attiton – I’m still down for a Mad Dog watch! I’ll post something today to start a place to discuss. After the first three episodes, I certainly don’t love it, but like you said, it’s nice to know the outcome!! And Woo Do Hwan, of course 😍

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        Well we can drop it together at some point too. 😁 See why I was stuck though? Its not gripping yet. I think Darwi in particular said to push through a bit so匈ll give it until episode 6 for sure, especially if you will!

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          It’s not as thrilling yet as I thought it was going to be, but I’m more than happy to see it all the way through for Woo Do Hwan!!! 😄🥰

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There have been some discussions lately about satisfying and disappointing drama endings, and what needs to happen at the end of a drama for its ending to be considered truly \”happy.\” At @attiton\’s urging, I\’m sharing Hopeful Romantic\’s Happy Ending Formula:

For any drama where a central romantic relationship is the focus or purpose of the drama, in order for the ending to be considered a truly Happy Ending, the OTP must be shown to be unquestionably alive and together (with the implication of being romantically involved) at the end of that drama.

I acknowledge that this is a very narrow definition, and a very low bar to clear, but it\’s also amazing how many dramas just barely squeek by. There are also dramas that circumvent these rules while still achieving them (see \”A\” below), and some that transcend these rules while still delivering satisfying endings (see \”B\” below). What other personal criteria do Beanies have for classifying Happy Endings?

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    Because of spoilers, the examples are here in the comment! I know these two examples may both be controversial endings for some, but these were both endings that I was very happy with:
    A. Arang and the Magistrate
    B. Call it Love

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      Have you seen Goblin? How would you rate its ending? By your strict definition, its happy?

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        I actually haven’t seen Goblin yet! I know it’s going to make me cry a lot, so I’ve been putting it off. But I know about the ending. I think it will fit into a third criteria space, where the ending is technically “happy” by the definition I have provided, but where I will become less and less satisfied with the outcome the more I think about it…

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          OMG. Why are we watching Mad Dog if youve not seen Goblin, but are willing to do so??? Im joking (mostly), but when you get to that latter drama, Im here for you while you watch, if thats a draw.

          And, so you know, I didnt know what the ending was going to be when I first saw it and I HATED THE ENDINGwas literally was crushed and cried for a long time, even cried when I related the ending to others days later, felt all sorts of bleak hopeless despair about the meaning of life and love在ut then the opposite of what you fear happened. I came to terms with it. Its the right ending. I will defend it now, all the way to the ground.

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            Oh that’s really good to know, because I know we’ve had similar takes on quite a few drama endings!! I’ll let you know when I do start watching Goblin! Lol Mad Dog is an easier watch so far – not too much attention needed, and even less emotional involvement (so far). They haven’t been able to hook me in with their maudlin emotional manipulation yet! I shall resist!!😤

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        Idk what the general sentiment is about Goblin’s ending, so I’d be really curious to find out but I for one found it heartbreaking but not disappointing! Considering the way the plot had been set up from day one, it made sense honestly. Like would a different more positive ending been good? Yes! But this ending made the drama more memorable in a weird way and it was bittersweet rather than just only depressing I thought.

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    This sorta parallels what the Romance Writers of America say:

    “Two basic elements comprise every romance novel: a central love story and an emotionally satisfying and optimistic ending.

    A Central Love Story: The main plot centers around individuals falling in love and struggling to make the relationship work.
    An Emotionally Satisfying and Optimistic Ending: In a romance, the lovers who risk and struggle for each other and their relationship are rewarded with emotional justice and unconditional love.”

    Maybe more stricter than yours. Dramaland might have taught us to moderate those expectations: “OTP must be shown to be unquestionably alive.” LOL. A minimum.

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      I hadn’t heard the Romance Writers of America definition – I really like that! And that’s definitely what I’d prefer to see for endings. “Unquestionably alive” really is a rock-bottom minimum, isn’t it? 😅

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        Unquestionably alive 👈🏾🤣This has got to be the quote of the day because it is ridiculous that it has to be written in as a basic criteria. Its like that sad country and western song which sounds like a sweet reminisce of an old married couple and turns into a sob fest its called Honey by Bobby Goldsboro.

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      Thanks for sharing these definitions.

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      Yeah, I’m starting to think romance kdramas need to develop standards like American romance books and advertise in the summary that there will be a HEA

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        Haha, I would be a fan of that! 🙋‍♀️

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        Does The Dog Die? has a field for “Does it have a sad ending?”
        Unfortunately, not all K-dramas are registered there (but YOU can do it … NOW!) and also alas, it’s audiences that fill out the slots, so untill a show has run, they don’t know more than you and me. Still, I have used it quite a bit.

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          Thanks for sharing that!

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          Then we have to wait for them to finish airing, sadly. I love watching on-air dramas so it’s just a risk I’ll have to take. I guess I could stick to webcomic adaptations, but even then they will change the ending (cough Sixth Sense Kiss See You in My 19th Life cough)

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    Thanks for sharing this definition I almost missed it as I was waiting for a link or reply to say it was up. Hopefully it was just me, who was not being proactive.

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    Consistency.
    For me a happy ending is a consistent ending.
    Spoilers (dramas 25-21, Black, Bojack?).

    That’s why 25-21 ending didn’t make sense for me. There’s no way in history you go from being a freaking rainbow to nothing, just like that. Without really fighting for it. Not when you’re Na Hee Do and Baek Yi Jin.

    But there’s also sad endings that are consistent, so they’re technically “happy endings” because I felt satisfied with the show.
    For me it wouldn’t have made sense for 444 to stay alive and happy with Ha Ram when the whole situation was so… twisted. I think Black’s finale made total sense.

    I actually dislike it more when they try to force a happy ending. Like Bojack Horseman. For me, that last episode shouldn’t exist.

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      Consistency is a great qualifier for a happy ending! I agree that an ending that is consistent with the tone, message, characters, etc. should be given at the end of a drama.

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      I agree that a satisfying ending is consistent but it doesnt necessarily have to be happy. The original ending was Someday, for example, or The Red Sleeve were consistent and deeply satisfying but I dont call them happy by any means. Perhaps we can call them good endings instead.

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    I think that’s a fantastic formula Hopeful – it is kind of funny how that’s a low bar to clear and yet so many dramas literally are digging their way under to not clear it properly/cleanly/if at all. And it’s way worse on the C-drama side too, with xianxias literally being like ‘this one simple thing is actually excruciatingly difficult for us to achieve so here have some pain instead’ 😆

    Adding on to this, I’m greedy so I usually consider it a Happily Ever After when we get weddings/post weddings/family scenes (depending on the drama of course). But in general, any ending where it feels like closure – like the plot trajectory has completed it’s run in a smooth and satisfactory manner – is Happy Enough for me. Because sometimes you have dramas that rush to provide the hallmarks of a Happily Ever After, and it feels like a disappointing cop out because it all just feels empty, thanks to how messy plot trajectory was in the lead up. An example would be with Our Blooming Youth the ending gave us something, but it felt like it was just going through the motions in a really rushed way, and so even though OTP was alive and together it was disappointing because the journey there was a mess and things had been dragged out. Conversely, although Call It Love had an implied happy ending, it still felt like a Happy Ending, because plot trajectory was smooth and the ending made sense considering the way the climax of the story had been developed and executed leading up to that ending.

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      I love your interpretation and additional “clauses” for a satisfying ending! Not all satisfying endings are “happy” endings, and not all happy endings are satisfying. I felt the same way about Our Blooming Youth and Call it Love – OBY’s happy ending was so sudden and not necessarily logical for the MLand FL that it didn’t feel substantial. And for Call it Love, while it was more open, it felt so emotionally satisfying – I believe that the ML and FL will begin their romantic relationship again, but it doesn’t even matter to me if they do are not – the point is that they greet each other with joy as healed, whole people again. Call it Love felt consistent with the trajectory of the plot, like you mentioned, but OBY didn’t really feel consistent… Like you and others on this thread have pointed out, consistency is key for a satisfying ending!! And I also want more dramas to show glimpses of happiness after the ending – married life, family life, doing life together. It’s unfortunately quite rare!!

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    I totally agree with this and with others here. I sometimes like endings that are not happy but good anyway, provided they are consistent with the rest of the story. But I think these are good criteria for a legitimately happy ending. I would also add: The OTP should be shown to be happy together. Good-natured bickering is fine (and sometimes expected!) but when they are shown together at the end it should be an unambiguous positive thing. It doesnt happen very often to the contrary, but that might make it more disappointing than usual when it does.

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      I love that addendum – that the OTP should be shown to be happy together!! There have been some “romance” dramas that really bothered me because they didn’t spend time with the OTP being happy/joyful together. If you’re not going to show that, what’s the point?? You’re exactly right – it’s when they don’t show that happiness that it’s more disappointing.

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        There are dramas that speed through and you dont get to see much of the OTP being happy (I find this frustrating, but its not a total dealbreaker for me), but in at least one recent drama (that I only followed through weecaps) the OTP seemed actively unhappy at the end, which is much worse. Most Beanies recommended you stop watching before the last ~10-20 minutes because of that.

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          Oh yikes – that doesn’t ring any bells, so it must not have been one I watched, but how disappointing! Especially when OTP interactions are framed as the narrative payoff at the end of a drama!!

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        I saw one Chinese drama and the credits were literally rolling when the ML made the confession and this was a couple of scenes after they met for the first time after several years of separation! There was no post credits extra scene believe me I looked for it.

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      “Good-natured bickering is fine (and sometimes expected!) but when they are shown together at the end it should be an unambiguous positive thing.”

      Kiss Sixth Sense final episode. They spent the entire episode together fighting after they got together. Awful to watch. What was even the point of their HEA? Ruined the show.

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    Interesting characters mustn’t be conventionalised. That goes wrong e.g. in Her Private Life , in Mr. Queen (I’d say) and in Beautiful Gong Shim.
    Maybe this does not belong under “Happy” endings but under “Good” endings. But for me, it is not really happiness if everybody has to be un-special.

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      Agreed – this is a great point! Consistency in characters should also remain constant in a good ending. Thank you for sharing!

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This is for you, @dorotka! Hmm… is Jang Shin-yu a closet Jane Austen fan? 🤔 Because his style sounds pretty familiar (*P.S. I am not equating Jang Shin-yu to Mr. Darcy*)

Meanwhile, there\’s creepy flower guy 💐

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    I mean who doesnt want someone else to be completely unable to stop their love for you, even though there are good reasons for them to stop.

    This is where I get the DWY nay-sayers. There are actually no real reasons for SY not to love HJ beyond the normal Im just not that into you ones. I suppose there a few that he might share with Darcy, but hes not actually expressed an issue of class difference. So, the spell seems to have created the love and the hurdle all at the same timesurely wed rather it be MORE like Darcy, a true love that comes from within rather than without.

    That said, and as you know Hopeful, this initial hurdle might (just might) make it even more sweet as the fake love turns real, but the show might also mess it up. Id be sad.

    Im still talking.

    You know what all of this typing is reminding me of? That moment when Shin-yu is talking to our Shaman when theyre asking how to nullify the love spell, and he says something like, What if I really fall in love with her? That he said that seems more interesting to me today than last week (or whenever) when he initially said it. Why would he worry about that? I dont know that we really yet understand the stakes for him地nd I agree with the Beanie on the WWW thread today that said that theres probably some (family?? Family-political??) reason that hes still walking around with the Mayors daughter, agreeing to let her call him his fianc矇 in public.

    *rambling post full of free-association and hope for more chatting ends*

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      I don’t know how deeply Shin-yu actually likes Hongjo, but he definitely doesn’t like Snake.

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      I like your analysis, and I agree with you! You know, in some ways, it reminds me of the central romantic relationship in Beating Again/Falling for Innocence – seeing the ML struggle with himself about whether his love for the FL and his desire to BE good and DO good were genuine, or only a side effect of his transplant, and to what extent that mattered… I want to see Shin-yu doing some messy self-reflection and being brutally honest with himself soon! I think he’s currently a couple of levels of self-deluded with his feelings about both women. Again, his head warring with his heart. Or am I ascribing too much nuance to the writing? Eh, who cares. I’m enjoying the drama emotionally, not logically 😉

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        Yes, we may be trying to think too much 😄😄
        Honestly, I’m here mainly for Shin-yu and his lines and the couple bickering right now. And the MaGong couple… and the Secretary 😁

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          Those are my favorite things, too! The secretary is just casually hilarious, and I love it 😁

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            Do we know that guy from somewhere? It seems that I have a memory of his teeth and smile圭hecking多mm Dr. Cha. Thats probably it, but Id have no real reason to remember him匈 guess he was one of the two younger doctors who were rude to our FL.

            That guys all reaction shots. Im with you two.

            Also, Im going to say the unspoken @dorotka you said Im mainly here for色 like you were only gonna list one thing, but you listed like the whole show

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            You are clearly ignoring a lot from the show, @attiton 😁😁 …and so am I 🙂🙃

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      His father wants him to be married young and to have a son to perpetuate the family name before dying from the curse. It’s why he talked to Na-Yeon behind his son’s back.

      For Shin-Yu’s feelings, I think he got feelings in parallel of the Love spell. The spell forced him to spend time with her and they shared a lot of moments since. He could see how dedicated she is to her job, her loneliness, how she missed her father, how cute she’s is with her crush, etc. They’re very themselves when they’re together, very honest with each other. He talked to her about his disease which he never did with Na-Yeon during 2 years…

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    I feel tho every arrogant chaebol carries traces of Mr Darcy, no?

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    Omg, thank you for the laugh! Collins! What a dweeb 🤣

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    HAHAHA I WAS THINKING THIS TOO!! Esp. the iconic ‘your family is trash, you’re a peasant, I don’t even know why I like you, and my family would want better but I still love you – you’re welcome!’ confession from Darcy is exactly what a lot of Shin-yu’s backhanded compliments with a dose of self-love sound like 😂

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#DestinedWithYou – I\’m going to miss this Jang Shin-yu:

But this one\’s pretty fun, too 😂

…And it looks like we\’ll continue to get more of this Hong-jo:

And then there\’s me, every time Hong-jo talks to her crush 😬

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    Wait, are you Tom or April in the last one? I feel like my reactions are more like Tom, but I think both are appropriate hahaha!

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      Haha good question!!!😂 I’m usually reacting like Tom, but there have been some moments where I’m April (I think I did the same hands motion when watching ep 6) 😆

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    The ‘I’m drunk’ one is spot on 😂 Perfect GIFS Hopeful!!

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      Thank you!!😊❤️ And I’m loving your memes – I look forward to seeing your posts, because they’re so accurate and they make me giggle 😆

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    @lapislazulii @hopefulromantic @indyfan

    Im off to sleep because Im old存o fun on the DWY thread (where ARE you @indyfan??)匈m heading off before the naysayers of the second wave take over (and also, Ive staked my claimhelp dont help多alp好o dont 🥹)

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      Coming! Im old too! And I have a binge hangover.

      I staked a claim on A Time. But Beanies no gonna be happy.

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      Did Shin-yu possess you for a bit at the end there? 😉

      Have a great sleep!! Day has just started for me so off I go to do chores while I keep one 👁️ on the DWY thread to see what the sentiments of the second wave are…..

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        But what can we do exactly? 😔

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          Good morning!! I predict that the second wave will come today during the U.S. daytime (there was a long delay last week tooI only saw it happening because of the comment stream. And I dont plan on doing anything! They can have their fun too.

          OMG the domination conversation was THE BEST THING TO WAKE UP TO. Lets maintain the bawdy puhleeeeze.

          Kenny G, @indyfan ? Are you trying to kill me with funniez?

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            Morning! ☀️

            I’m living for the thirst comments 😆 Usually those comments featured in Buzzfeed’s thirst tweets videos are a bit too much for me, but I’d pay to see a spin on the idea where actors/actresses read some of the swooning, squealing, meme-ing and GIF-ing, bawdy and otherwise hilarious comments on DB threads about them.

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            Good morning!!🌄 But also, isn’t it good evening, @lapislazulii? 😊 I said my piece (and then some), so I’m probably done on the thread for the day – the nay-ers can do as they wish.

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            @hopefulromantic yeah it’s good evening and if I had any sense I’d go to bed soon instead of waiting for Arthdal to drop because I’ve got tutoring to do first thing tomorrow! But…..🤷‍♀️

            I wish DB had a messaging feature so we could be chatting here and there, but these little post threads work just as well – sorry (but also not sorry hehe) to Indy and Seon-ha who’ll keep getting reply notifs too 🤭

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            @lapislazulii haha I know what you mean!! I stayed up to late commenting on the recap last night 😅 Good luck doing tutoring tomorrow!! And keep me posted if you try Arthdal – I’m curious about it for LJG’s sake!! I want to see him stare intensely and fight cool-ly.

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            Good morning American peeps! Good night lapis. Its dinner prep time here. Im typing with my left hand while stirring with the other. Mistakes will be made.

            The threads were funny. We missed you two! But take good care of our recap. Youre all correct. Nothing much to do with the second wave (really the Americans?). I suspect they tanked the ratings and dropped. And thats all right.

            Ill probably just look at some late comments so theyre less lonely as Mother Bean has taught us.

            Im also glad we have this workaround to group chat. 🥰

            @lapislazulii @hopefulromantic
            @attiton

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            @indyfan – have a nice dinner! That takes serious skills to type with one hand and cook with another! 👍 I was surprised at how low the ratings are now 😮‍💨 It’s nice to have the fanwall as a group-chat workaround with you all!!

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          You know地t my partners first real job back in the early 19th century, he had a boss who was from England, but who worked in the US Pacific Time Zone. When that boss retired, he started a tech help website service with his brother back in England. There are (obviously) eight hours of time difference between these two places, so they could basically run a service that looked like they were always there to offer their clients help, as one woke up, the other was going to sleep

          I say thats what this group plus @elinor definitely has to offer the Dramabeans. Weve basically got the 24-hour clock covered here and then some, so if theres ever a dramatic drama fire that needs putting out or if someone needs to keep an eye on any situation here on Dramabeans圭all on the four of us! One of us is up, and probably already has at least one eye on this site.

          We even overlap for a few hours all of usso we can have meetings to discuss strategy.

          Im laughing at how un-fun I could now make this silly idea by turning it into a late-capitalist nightmare of a bureaucracy.

          OH! But what I DO know is that this business idea that Im hatching will have us all needing to do company dancercizes like in Hello, Me! and Race. Anyone here have a background in dance choreography?

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            Ahh that’s so funny!! 😆 It’s hilarious, but we are the perfect tactical team… it reminds me of the unit on crisis communication I taught when I was an instructor – we can be on-call as the DB Drama Crisis Communication Team! Lol. I love the dancercize from Hello, Me! but I have no dance skillz 😂

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            @hopefulromantic Yeah, well neither did KYK, but that didnt stop him from DANCING!!

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            I already work for a late-capitalist nightmare of a bureaucracy AND my office sometimes does dance flashmobs or dance-offs at holiday parties (it’s actually a pretty fun bunch, and no one is pressured to join such events), so I’M READY. I’m not sure for what, exactly, but count me in!

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            Yay!! Glad you’re game to join us, @elinor!!! 😁😁😁 There may or may not be dancing, but there will definitely be squeeing!

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        BTWS, Lapis多e totally did possess me. I realized as I was typing about my totally normal not going to be obsessive or crazyDID YOU SEE HIS BEAUTIFUL BEADY EYES IN THAT REARVIEW MIRROR SEARING DEEP INTO MY SOUL??interest in the 2ML here, that I was fighting inwardly with my own desire to sink deep into a love that should not be and one that is normal and about Ro-swooning and that everyone would understand.

        Oh god, the pain is so sweet. 😈

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      I’m headed to bed, too! I’m not a night owl, haha 😊 Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, @indyfan! And I’m going to recuse myself from the ongoing thread, depending on how the sentiments of the second wave go. But it was a fun convo this evening! Have a good day, @lapislazulii!

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        I did it! I did my part. I mostly just Ro-Swooned. I dont care!

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    @indyfan @lapislazulii @hopefulromantic

    I hear you, Lapis, wanting a chat feature, and Im 100% with you in spirit在ut could you imagine how much less time wed all have for like eating and sleeping? Perhaps its best that were stuck in the late 90s internet of slooooow posting. I am happy that the sites been loading fastER these days making things slightly less frustrating.

    That said, if were to be the DB Drama Crisis Communication Team (Thanks for the name upthread, Hopeful!!!) maybe we do need好ah. Were perfect the way we are. The DBDCCT has you covered. Is that our tagline? Someone help安e need a better one than that安ith a drama pun in it.

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      That’s very true actually, especially since I have zero self control lol (this is why I need the DBDCCT to feed me logic and sense every now and then!) I absolutely love that little story Seon-ha about the round the clock customer service duo which has now inspired the birth of the DBDCCT. I am for that tag line too – I’m imagining us as some kind of 24/7 news service now 😂

      And Indy, hope dinner prep went smoothly and you’re enjoying it now (sans mistakes or splatters!) Very impressed by your multitasking, I can’t even walk and type without tripping or typing nonsense – something has to give hahahaha

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        Yes that’s an absolutely FABULOUS story!!! What a smart way to run a small business like that. I think between the four of us, we offer a pretty balanced take on rom-coms and fantasy dramas, lol 😄

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          I couldn’t do it! But here I am all splattered now. 😂

          You know I used to work for the newspaper website before the very first dot-com bubble first. 24/7. Nightmare. But call, and I shall answer! DBDCCT…activate!

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            Wow, that does sound terrible to have to be on-call 24/7, especially at that time… hopefully life is more peaceful for you now!!

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            Whatd ya have for dins? Im gonna be imagining a curry with lots of turmeric so those splatters will be all yellow and difficult to clean. If only you lived next to whats-her-name from MLL. She seemed good with the tteokboki stains

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            Ha ha. That was tomato!

            And Khow Suey, the curry base made with the freshest ingredients and depepest love by my favorite Burmese restaurant. 😂 I’m Junho in Chief Kim, not Junho in Wok of Love. Tho if I had to choose, I’d rather be well fed by the WoL one.

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            But but but this recipe for this delicious-looking dish that I totally might also now make myself for dinner in 7 hours has lots of turmeric in it, not tomato!! Are these not right?

            https://www.mirchitales.com/chicken-khow-suey-or-khao-suey/

            https://www.thetakeiteasychef.com/burmese-khow-suey-curried-noodles-recipe

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            @attiton Sorry. I meant tomato from tteokboki.

            KS is indeed very yellow so it must have loads of turmeric. Ive never made from scratch. 😔 I bet yours will be sooo good.

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            For reasons, Ive been cooking meals for myself and my family since I was 12. Ive never had this dish, and am seriously going to try it. I dont know that Ill have time to head to the store Ill need for these ingredients today, but I may make the effort!

            And, sigh, tteokbokki is red from chili powder. God Im such an asshole.

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Beanie PSA: I interrupt your regularly scheduled #DestinedWithYou squeeing (wait, or is that me?) to let you know that the FULL OST for Call it Love has FINALLY been released!!! Lol, it only took them months and months 😂

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    I’m on my computer so there are no emojis (mianhaeyo), but Beansprout award for you for looking after the OST obsessives out there! I don’t know if I ever would have discovered this on my own but now I’m off to listen!

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      Yay!! You’re most welcome!! I’ve been checking consistently because the Disney dramas haven’t been releasing full (with instrumentals) OSTs, but then this one suddenly appeared – so that gives me hope for others! I’ve really liked the OST for Moving, and I’m hoping we’ll get the instrumentals for that one, too. Happy listening!! 😊

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    omg bless you for this PSA!!

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Hong-jo reacting to the consequences of her actions and (*and to Shin-yu*) Get a grip on yourself, Shin-yu! 😂 #DestinedWithYou

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Shin-yu\’s coworkers when the cursed hand visits him at work #DestinedWithYou

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    Also, me being all, “Not only is Moving not yet posted…but also DWY (which has been promised for like a day)…and it’s super late for like so many of us…don’t want to complain…but also really want to complain…I think I need a drink. Or a place to talk about k-dramas. Do I need to start a Fan Wall shaman post. Hewp.”

    Oh wait. All good.

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      Haha!😂 So much to talk about in dramas lately!! And if recaps are posted later, that’s actually better for me, because then I’m not tempted to keep up with the conversation while at work (oops) 😬😅

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      My problem is, the later a weecap is posted, the more likely I am to have a drink beforehand.

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