DB Book club Summer read

I hope that those of you who managed to read the second book on the DB book club list found it an interesting experience. Thanks to those who were able to participate in the discussion yesterday🥰. Anyone who wants to add their thoughts at a later date is welcome to come back and add them on The mermaid from Jeju Fanwall post

The next book is: The sense of wonder by Matthew Salesses
The discussion will be held on Sunday 14th July and will be hosted by @lapislazulii on their fanwall. We are looking forward to sharing our thoughts with those who are able to join us on the day.

Advance notice the final book for 2024 is: Almond by Won-pyung Sohn
Date: 13th October 2024

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DB book club discussion: The mermaid of Jeju by Sumi Hahn

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    How would you rate this book on a scale of 0-5 stars?

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    What impact did the author’s note to the reader have on your thoughts about this fictional telling of historical events?

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      It was really interesting to think about how children can be spiritually connected to a country they have not been to or rarely visit. The author’s experience was so unusual she would not have had a context to put it in without the support of those who lived in Korea and had the knowledge to explain what was going on for her.

      I was able to reflect back on the story and pick out the different parts of the story where the Grandmother and Mr Moon had elements of the author’s story weaved into their experiences:

      Grandmother knowing about the army boys arrival so she made preparations for them before she died.
      The grandmother’s reflections of her younger engagement in freedom fighting and the punishment she associated with those actions was her losing her sons and husband.

      Mr Moon could only find peace from the ghosts by returning to Korea and having an encounter with a sharman and a monk. The discussion of how faith and spirituality are ways of joining or separating from one’s culture and the past.
      The chance encounter with the three men meeting at a place that represented a place of sorrows.
      Mr Moon’s friendship with a boy whose mum was a shaman.

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        I really like the expression, “spiritually connected to a country”, and thank you for highlighting these parts of the story.

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      Honestly, the author’s note at the end blew my mind. It really lingered with me after I finished the book.

      I found the fact that she offered this information interesting in and of itself, since the novel stands strongly on its own. For me, the value of that additional insight is that it made me reflect on the role of fiction. It’s often in fiction that we can explore what may be too difficult to touch in ‘reality’, but the line between fact and fiction can perhaps be thinner than we imagine, so the author’s note had me thinking that whilst the retelling may be fictional, it gave voice to experiences that are very real for people in times of war and conflict.

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        The author’s note made me think about the portrayal of shamans as con artists and or joke figures in a lot of Korean dramas. In a book I have just finished (The picture bride) they were shunned and belittled in the community. I wondered how they have survived as a profession that often they say came to them and was not necessarily something they wanted to be due to the negative connotations but often it was something that is present in several generations of their family.

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          This is so true – fortune tellers, psychics, mediums and similar are not unusual in certain cultures/societies (although not everyone consults or believes in them), so I wonder why they’re so rarely portrayed positively. Maybe if they were, it would be considered an endorsement of them in some way, so productions want to avoid that unless it’s a drama with supernatural elements anyway? I liked that recently, See You in My 19th Life (which I dropped) and Perfect Marriage Revenge departed from that portrayal a bit.

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    What are your thoughts on the role spiritual/dream elements played in everyday life for these characters?

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      Prayers to various gods was an expected ritual for all aspects of life, regardless of status. The author captured this when Junja felt real disappointment when her prayers to put out the fire on the day of the wedding weren’t answered.

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      I liked that their beliefs in the spiritual and dream realm conferred a kind of collective superpower, but one that could not be controlled or made to do their bidding. It meant that giving thanks and paying respects was embedded into their lives, and that there was a sense that there was/were force(s) bigger than humans at play.

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        I agree the control element was important here as often the way prayer is portrayed, it is as if it is an instruction for the deity to comply with or they are failing in their duty.

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    The three women in the family each experience a significant event due to the times they were living in, which of these events stood out for you as a pivotal point in the story?

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      Grandmother choosing to work with the policeman because she was then in the position to work with him to save Sewol. The second significant benefit was saving the village by encouraging the women to become cooks at the camp so the the villagers could be directed to the caves when the time was right.

      The shocking revelation that the mother’s death was because she refused to disclose information. This meant grandmother lost another child in horrific circumstances due to conflict.

      Junja’s wedding day was the point where her eyes fully opened to the significance of the events going on around her.

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      For halmung, learning the consequences of having fought back with violence was what stood out for me. It informed her approach to the survival of her village, and how she lived the rest of her life.

      For Junja and her mum, the decision for Junja to travel to the mountain for the first time was an insignificant one, but it became a very pivotal point in the story.

      Also, for Junja, her almost drowning and meeting the sea king seemed to mark the point at which she became an adult.

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    Chance encounters, loss, loyalty, friendships and closure are some of the themes running through this story. What were the themes you connected with and why?

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      The scene with the three men discussing their horrific experiences which connected them all to the same event. That conversation led to reflections and healing for them all.

      This scene stood out because years later the same place is a tourist attraction because of its natural beauty. There are no plaques describing the atrocities that took place there. It made me wonder how many places have I visited that also have untold stories associated with them.

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      I liked this story’s nuanced exploration of loyalty – loyalty was something that could kill you or save you. It is seen as a virtue, as a demonstration of trust, but it is also how people can be condemned through guilt by association.

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        I also think loyalty meant sacrifice of the personal for the benefit of society and for some of the characters that was at a significant cost to their own needs and desires. It really highlighted the dilemma’s faced across the country at that time and reminded me of Chicago Typewriter.

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          Yes, this! I’m still heartbroken for Sewol. Letting go of Junja seemed like the only choice he felt he could make for the people of Jeju, his family and Junja.

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    Hello
    The day has finally arrived for us to discuss this book. I am looking forward to reading your thoughts on this interesting perspective of the life of the Jeju islanders.

    @indyfan @mellowarmadillo @attiton @elinor @ahjummaaa @toomuchtv @wonhwa @jls943 @lapislazulii @cayong03 @babylilo @ruhi0101 @petrolia @acacia @dramaforever
    @zindigo @linarrick @ndlessjoie @sonai @kdramajoy

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      Thank you so much for hosting, Mother Bean!❤️

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      Thanks much again to Reply1988 (and to all the care and concern you show)!

      The picture of 1940s Jeju village and mountain every-day life were interesting to me, so I was more engaged in that part of the novel set in the time when the occupying Japanese left and the Nationalists and US forces/consultants arrived. I think the focal point of this part of the story for me is about a proud hard-working group of people whose lives dramatically changed for the worst almost overnight by external forces. Yet they maintained their humanity, and their loyalty and love for their island, its people and culture.

      I was attracted to the novel primarily because of the title. I had hoped that the haenyeo and their daily lives would be part of the fabric of the story in the way that deaf communication (in particular sign language) were in Tell Me That You Love Me, and professional wrestling was in Flowers in Sand. (I mention these 2 dramas because I became immersed in learning so much about something that I knew so little.) So I was disappointed that I didn’t feel that much wiser about Junja’s life as a haenyeo.

      Probably because I do not consider myself religious or spiritual (though I respect those who are), I generally do not connect with stories in which ghosts and shamans are fundamental. And I did not do so for this novel. But I thought @reply1988 and @mellowarmadillo (dramadillo?) remarks about the spiritual were beautifully meaningful.

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        Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this story and the aspects that appealed to you. It is interesting that the story was split into two distinct times and locations but unlike Pachinko we didn’t get to travel alongside Junja.

        I agree the details about the day to day lives of the haenyeo was limited, I am sure there are other books that cover this element but I am not sure whether any of the authentic ones have been translated into English.

        I hope you will join us in future book club discussions and hopefully there will be a story that you feel you can connect to.

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        Thanks for your sweet comments they are appreciated 🥰

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      @reply1988 Thank you so much Mother Bean! Thanks to you, I am doing a book club after a long time. Your prompts are incredibly insightful.

      1) How would you rate this book on a scale of 0-5 stars?

      I would place this at a 3.5 (I will explain my ratings at the end.

      2) What impact did the author’s note to the reader have on your thoughts about this fictional telling of historical events?

      This book has the most poignant author’s note I have ever read. It elevates the book-reading experience and makes you pause at the thin line that separates spiritualism from unquestioning belief in something as is and superstition. The way she describes the voices, it gave me goosebumps. In my lifetime, I have experienced a few unexplained, and I have never been able to comprehend their hows and whys.

      3) What are your thoughts on the role spiritual/dream elements played in everyday life for these characters?

      I loved the cultural aspect of it. It was grounded in old-school realism of spiritualism in everyday life of men and women. I connected to the halmung almost like I used to with my own grandma. For me, the standout was Sowol’s dream…or was it Junja’s? Does one stop dreaming when dead? It is a stunning piece of writing.

      4) The three women in the family each experience a significant event due to the times they were living in, which of these events stood out for you as a pivotal point in the story?

      The massacre in the hill shaped the way they lived the rest of Junja’s life, surpassing even the devastation of her wedding day or the loss of her grandmother. Without that event, Junja’s trajectory might have been somewhat different. The guilt experienced by Mr. Moon, Junja, and the monk imbues the book with a lasting depth that is hard to shake. It also is the catalyst for driving Mr. Moon back to SK later.

      5)Chance encounters, loss, loyalty, friendships and closure are some of the themes running through this story. What were the themes you connected with and why?

      Loss. This book is centred on loss. It starts with the protagonist’s death and never takes a breather. I would not say I connected, though. I am not a fan of tragedies. However, the book also addresses closure, which helps alleviate some of the heavy, melancholic elements that dominate the narrative.

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        Now for my rating: 3.5

        What I loved: The prose. It’s a beautifully written book. Even though the theme was heavy and melancholy, the writing was never cumbersome. It flowed crystal clear, with clarity and depth, and it gave every character a distinct voice.

        The young Mr Moon was fascinating. He reminded me of a quintessential K-drama hero—drop-dead gorgeous, shy, falling first and hard, etc – the typical K-drama trope. He is so very sweet and fascinated by this slip of a girl who does not give him the time of the day. I would have loved to know more about him.

        The lieutenant – perhaps the most exciting character.
         
         

        What slipped: The dividing of the book into two parts.

        The sudden shift to the modern-day US setting and the sudden focus on Mr. Moon felt jarring, pulling me out of the book. I stopped reading because I couldn’t relate to the character; Nothing pointed to his eventual union with Junja. Of course, everything becomes clear towards the end, and then I felt frustrated that we didn’t get more of their love story. It was evident that Junja fell in love with him. However, their eventual personas in the US were so different from who Junja and Mr. Moon used to be, and they were so cardboard that their narrative felt disjointed to me.

        Why did Junja give up everything she had learned and eventually embrace Christianity? What compelled her to approach the church’s door? They still lived by the ocean in the US. How did she never return to diving again? Was she angry at the Ocean King for taking away everything she loved? It was such an integral part of her identity, and if the author had maintained her connection to the ocean, or at least explained the absence of it, the character’s narrative would have had a stronger sense of continuity.

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          I am so glad you joined the book club for this one, thank you for sharing such an interesting perspective. Now that you have said that about Mr Moon I am picturing this being turned into a great K drama.

          The change in focus from one story teller to another at the end of one life and the pull back to Korea was an interesting approach for the author to take. I wonder what it was like to write from the perspectives of characters at two very different developmental stages.
          I hope that you will join us for future book club posts.

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            This was a wonderful breather. I love to read, but it’s been a challenge with trying to juggle everything on my plate currently. So this gave me an opportunity to do so. The last book I did for a book club was ‘The Help’, so it’s been that long, so thank you!

            I also think calling Mr Moon by a formal name made the character distant to me, as if I was reading about a neighbour I am not very interested in going about his routine. They lived a fairly long married life, shared two children, and yet I could not feel the bonding, and I missed that. To me, the first half of the book is written better narrative wise, but the last quarter is powerful. The middle is much like a k-drama – stretched, boring with nothing much happening.

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            @minniegupta1 “The middle is much like a k-drama – stretched, boring with nothing much happening”👈🏾🤣 more evidence this would easily convert to a K-drama.
            We chose quarterly discussions via the fanwall rather than more frequently on video to allow for the busy but we know beanies will opt in and out for multiple reasons.

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      Oh noooo! I am so sorry. I have zero excuses. I quite simply forgot, despite all the reminders.

      My sincere apologies @Reply1988. I have not yet finished the book. May I return here and add to the conversation?

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    I’m sorry I didn’t reply to this right away! I read the book the week it was assigned, and neglected to write out my impressions. I did have a few that I can recall:
    ° Starting from the protagonist’s death as a little old lady in the US and then flashing back was a great move. This is a historical novel about an incident in Korea’s history–the Jeju Massacre, according to George Katsiaficas, killed 30,000 people over four years from 1948-1954– in which the US army was the villain. The author is writing the book in English from the US. How else can she manage this tension?
    ° This novel emphasizes that Jeju was primed to welcome the US because they really hated the Japanese occupation. Katsiafaicas, in his book Asia’s Unknown Uprisings says that the US considered the self-government on the island to be “red” or communist, even though they weren’t affiliated with any other country’s communist party (or the emerging North Korea, either.) It’s just another example of history that people in the US don’t learn about our country.
    ° The protagonist is a little too young and too adolescent to be able to understand her mother and grandmother’s leadership roles. They are kind of downplayed in the book. It’s a novel, so it’s appropriate that it’s about individual decisions: Junja’s, Suwol’s, Gunjoo’s–but even more importantly, their elders’ decisions that make their freedom to decide possible. Lieutenant Lee is a hero of this story.
    ° The romance of Junja and Suwol was also an excellent red herring.

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      Sorry, I should have just given the bibliographic information for the book I consulted to try to understand the history in the novel. It is:

      Katsiaficas, George. Asia’s Unknown Uprisings Volume 1: South Korean Social Movements in the 20th Century Oakland, CA: PM Press, 2012.

      My partner bought this book and I have been meaning to read it in its entirety. It did help to read just the chapter on the Jeju Uprising, which was chapter 4, pp. 86-97, to get a little insight into this novel.

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      Thanks so much for sharing your views and giving the details of the reference book it sounds like an important book. There are other historical dramas coming out so it sounds like it would be a good investment. The history is really distressing. I find it really annoying that two countries came in divided someone else’s country and now cousins etc. are on two sides of the fence. Reading the books about the Korean’s living in Japan who were given a choice which side to return to but were unable to make informed decisions because they were unaware of the situation in the North and this led to family members losing touch with each other.

      I always make notes straight after I listen otherwise I forget! I hope you join us for future Book club reads.

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    Boy did I mess this up. I started on The Island of Sea Women by Lisa See by mistake. It’d been sitting on my TBR forever so I think I just defaulted to it. Unfortunately, it was a DNF for me tho I liked her other books. I don’t think I have the stamina for another Jeju book, but I’m on the Salesses.

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      Was it good? I would read two books on this! (This comment made me laugh!)

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        I haven’t finished it. But if you like Lisa See, you’ll like this. It has all her trademarks.

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🤔Anyone else thinking finally, a drama acknowledging that SK is a nation full of ex forces guys. I know in real life when an average Jo is attacked he will be more than capable of defending himself, especially if he has kept in shape. What would be the point of making sure every man has been trained if they allow them to forget everything when they leave. I have even seen some dramas referring to refresher camps, I am not sure if they are mandatory though.

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DB book club: 2 week countdown 🗓️

Book: The mermaid of Jeju by Sumi Hahn
Place: This fan wall
Date: 14th April 2024.
Prompt questions:

How would you rate this book on a scale of 0-5 stars?

What impact did the author’s note to the reader have on your thoughts about this fictional telling of historical events?

What are your thoughts on the role spiritual/dream elements played in everyday life for these characters?

The three women in the family each experience a significant event due to the times they were living in, which of these events stood out for you as a pivotal point in the story?

Chance encounters, loss, loyalty, friendships and closure are some of the themes running through this story. What were the themes you connected with and why?

@indyfan @mellowarmadillo @attiton @elinor @ahjummaaa @toomuchtv @wonhwa @jls943 @lapislazulii @cayong03 @babylilo @ruhi0101 @petrolia @acacia @dramaforever
@zindigo @linarrick @ndlessjoie @sonai @kdramajoy

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Here’s the one month countdown reminder for those joining this quarter’s DB book club read: The mermaid of Jeju by Sumi Hahn. The discussion will take place on my fan wall on Sunday April 14th. I hope you have all enjoyed the read, whatever stage you are at, and have some thoughts you would like to share.

These are the prompt questions:

How would you rate this book on a scale of 0-5 stars?

What impact did the author’s note to the reader have on your thoughts about this fictional telling of historical events?

What are your thoughts on the role spiritual/dream elements played in everyday life for these characters?

The three women in the family each experience a significant event due to the times they were living in, which of these events stood out for you as a pivotal point in the story?

Chance encounters, loss, loyalty, friendships and closure are some of the themes running through this story. What were the themes you connected with and why?

@indyfan @mellowarmadillo @attiton @elinor @ahjummaaa @toomuchtv @wonhwa @jls943 @lapislazulii @cayong03 @babylilo @ruhi0101 @petrolia @acacia @dramaforever
@zindigo @linarrick @ndlessjoie @sonai @kdramajoy

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Beanie level Update

Candy 8th May 2022
Jung Geu rae 20th May 2022

Water maid 24th May 2022

Noble idiot 29th May 2022

Eunuch in drag 7th June 2022
Chaebols poor doppelgänger 20th June 2022
Goblin’s underpants 1st July 2022
Wrongly accused fugitive 9th July 2022
Errand boy 17th July 2022
Rooftop room dweller 17th October 2022
Loan Shark with a heart of Gold 4th May 2023
Entertainer in training 14th October 2023
Fan club President 11th March 2024

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Did anyone else notice the cute kid from Hi Bye, Mama! played the young Jeongwoo upset because his kidney bean did not grow? I didn’t recognise him in that but I did recognise him playing the FL’s nephew in Wedding impossible.

I have to say I am enjoying Wedding Impossible and really wish I had waited to binge it as a week is going to be a loooooong time.

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For those joining this quarter’s DB book club discussion on 14th April 2024. Here are the prompt questions for The mermaid of Jeju by Sumi Hahn

How would you rate this book on a scale of 0-5 stars?

What impact did the author’s note to the reader have on your thoughts about this fictional telling of historical events?

What are your thoughts on the role spiritual/dream elements played in everyday life for these characters?

The three women in the family each experience a significant event due to the times they were living in, which of these events stood out for you as a pivotal point in the story?

Chance encounters, loss, loyalty, friendships and closure are some of the themes running through this story. What were the themes you connected with and why?

@indyfan @mellowarmadillo @attiton @elinor @ahjummaaa @toomuchtv @wonhwa @jls943 @lapislazulii @cayong03 @babylilo @ruhi0101 @petrolia @acacia @dramaforever
@zindigo @linarrick @ndlessjoie @sonai @kdramajoy

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    Thanks for the heads-up questions, Reply1988. I am appreciative of getting these to-think-abouts before I start reading, which will be soon.

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Happy Lunar New Year to all those celebrating. I hope it is a special year.

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@indyfan @mellowarmadillo @attiton @elinor @ahjummaaa @toomuchtv @wonhwa @jls943 @lapislazulii @cayong03 @babylilo @ruhi0101 @petrolia @acacia @dramaforever
@zindigo @linarrick @ndlessjoie @sonai @kdramajoy

I will be hosting this quarter’s DB book club discussion of The mermaid of Jeju on 14th April 2024. We are looking forward to an interesting discussion. Please send your ideas for prompt questions before 14th February.

These are some example questions we could include:

How would you rate this book on a scale of 0-5 stars?

What impact did the author’s note to the reader have on your thoughts about the cultural and historical elements of this fictional telling of historical events?

What are your thoughts on the role spiritual and dream elements played in everyday life for these characters?

The three women in the family each experience a significant event due to the times they were living in, which of these events stood out for you as a pivotal point in the story?

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    I won’t be joining but you prompted me to go and buy the book!

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    I’ve started reading it and am really enjoying the story. Looking forward to the discussion in April!

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    Yay! Thanks so much for hosting! Now I need to track down the book.

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    Thanks for your reference to this on WWAW, which got me to come over and check it out. My library luckily has the book. 📖

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      Yay, will you be joining us for the fan wall discussion or reading it on your own? If you are joining us I can tag you in to future updates. The questions we have so far are on this post. But please feel free to add any others you think of before the 14th Feb.

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DB Book club 2024

DB Book club’s second book is The mermaid from Jeju by Sumi Hahn. The discussion will be hosted on 14th April. If you want to join us in reading along we would love to have you. As we are all busy beanies we give ourselves three months to read each book and then discuss via the host’s fan wall on the second Sunday of the third month. We will use a few agreed prompt questions to help the discussion and beanies are free to discuss at any point during that day.

We are currently looking for a host for April. If you are interested in reading along with us please add your name so we can tag you into reminders and when the post is out. If you would like to host please also indicate that in your reply.

Hosting a DB Book club discussion
The host puts up a minimum of three posts on their fan wall.
1) Request some ideas for prompt questions within the first couple of weeks of month one so DB Book club beanies have time to reflect on them during and after reading the book.
2) Send out a reminder post in month two with the date of discussion, the book title and the questions so any new beanies can join if interested. Also remind beanies to book mark the page so they know whose fan wall to go to on the day in case they miss the prompt on the day if the beanie page gets busy and the post disappears off the front page early on the day.
3) Hosting the discussion on the day by posting the book cover and the questions. The format is up to the host.

@indyfan @mellowarmadillo @attiton @elinor @ahjummaaa @toomuchtv @wonhwa @jls943 @lapislazulii @cayong03 @babylilo @ruhi0101 @petrolia

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    I’m definitely going to read the book and would like to continue to be tagged! I requested it at the public library near me. I am hesitant to volunteer to host it though. Perhaps the next one?

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      That’s great, I hope it comes through soon. I am looking forward to your views when we chat in April. If you think of any ideas for the prompt questions please do share once the host is assigned.

      We have two more books for the year A sense of Wonder: A novel by Mathew Salesses and Almond by Won-pyung Sohn. Thank you for thinking about hosting when those books are announced you can let us know if you are still interested then.

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        @lapislazulii the schedule would be 14th July A sense of Wonder this was initially the one you wanted to host when it was down for May. 13th Oct is Almond. So you can either confirm now whether you still want a Sense of wonder or want to change to Almond or if you want to wait until April to decide then when the request goes out for the next host.

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    I was surprised to find that this was available to borrow digitally from my local library. So I’ve downloaded it and would love to participate in the book group! Please tag me @reply1988. Thank you!

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    I am interested in reading the book and joining the discussion 🙂

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    I’ve been trying to read more! I’m not sure about hosting but I would love to join!

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    @reply1988 thanks for continuing the book club! I’m happy to join in reading the April pick, this year has been a little busy which is why I haven’t been too active on DB lately

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      It’s always good to see you when you are around. Take care in the busy times hope it’s fun busy, if it isn’t hope things settle soon.
      Ok great to have you back for book two, hope you like it.

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    I’d love to be added to the tag list in the off chance I’m available for the discussion. Thank you.

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    It’s summer holidays in my part of the world in April and we’ll likely be traveling. I will read the book before then and participate as best as I can. Thank you for keeping book club going.

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      Wow, I hope you have some fun events planned out and that you enjoy your travels.

      I do that do the same by reading the book and doing the questions while it’s fresh when things are quiet for me and then save to post when the discussion actually takes place.

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    Since I’m always looking out for good reads, I’ll definitely have a look at this book, too. Last time, I read the book way too early, and then wasn’t up with too many details for the discussion afterwards. 😂🥳🤪 I’ll try to hold back this time and read in late March to join in with a, uh, “fresh memory”🤞 Please tag me 😃

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      Ok no worries I will tag you in, but you can make notes at the time of reading we supply the questions early. Because of the time zones beanies post throughout the day so discussion may be limited but it’s nice to read everyone’s perspectives on the story and responses to the questions.

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    Yes, I want to participate in The Mermaid from Jeju discussion. Please tag me, @reply1988. Thank you.

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    The book is arriving tomorrow. Super excited.

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    Dear @Reply1988 pls add me to the book club list

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Queen of divorce episode one shows how a pro writer and skilled behind the camera team starts as they mean to go on. I am very happy! Let’s hope they can keep the quality up to the end of the series.

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Once the reading shots come out doesn’t that mean coming soon? Could it be next month! A special treat for Valentines❤️

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Thanks for a great 2023 everyone. Despite the tumbleweed at times in K-dramaland there was always plenty of entertainment in DB land😊

Praying for a 2024 full of that unique K drama feel good factor! Looking forward to reading interesting weecaps, getting to see more beanies jumping in to the comments and sharing their words of wisdom and brilliant sense of humour.

Happy 2024 (when it comes for those of us still waiting)

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    A very happy New Year to you too, Reply! May next year bring you happiness and no more pain!!!

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    Happy New Year Reply1988!! 🥳❤️ I hope your 2024 is a good one for you, with lots of blessings, good dramas, and less pain.

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    Happy new year, Mother Bean. Your presence on DB makes everyone happy, thank you for that ❤️

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    Happy New Year!

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    Happy New Year, Reply1988!!!🤩

    Looking forward to more of your wise comments/suggestions/advices.

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    Happy New Year mother bean! 💖

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    May the new year bring you lots of good health, peace, happiness and laughter!!

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    Happy New Year, Mama Bean! Thank you for always making new beanies feel welcome here.❤️

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    Thank you, Mother Bean! May all your dramas be good dramas…Happy 2024! Your insights are so admirable and I’m looking forward to more of your perspective in the future!

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      And thanks for your encouragement. I recovered from my surgeries, “graduated” from physical therapy for my foot, learned to walk again, and have resumed most of my activities so I am VERY THANKFUL, even if it means fewer dramas in 2024.

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    @dramafever please email me at tessa@peaceintheseat.com it’s my therapy email address so is in the public domain anyway. Let me know your real name and once we have your contact details we can send you the Watch and Discuss K Drama club (WDKD club) zoom link. We meet on the first Sunday of the month at 7 p.m. hopefully that will work for you. If you want to be included in the WhatsApp group include your mobile number in the email. We chat about all sorts as well as K dramas in the Whatsapp group so I warn you that it’s quite busy so if you don’t want to be included that’s fine as some of the club members prefer to stick to email and joining the meetings. This month we are Watching Eun-joo’s room. We do polls to select the dramas we want to watch and make sure they are available across the regions. Group members often come to the group even if they didn’t watch the drama or dropped it part way as they just want to meet up and hear the discussion.
    The face to face meet ups tend to be Spring/Summer so we can avoid the lurgies on public transport. We are due to set up another one soon we are trying to coordinate it with the beanies coming from Europe.

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      I am assuming this message is for me (I chose a not so good username when I signed up and have been trying to figure out a way to change it ever since), lol..

      I have just sent you an email 🙂

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        @dramaforever sorry I found your tag this time. Gosh I checked your name too before sending it but it’s typo that just happened to have a beanie’s name attached, oops. Hopefully they are not active so won’t be wondering what that message is about! I have your email and will be responding.

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      @dramafever sorry I tagged you in error please ignore the message, unless of course you are interested in the watch and discuss club or want to join the face to face meet ups in London we are always happy to have new members😊

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      @23new2kdrama see the comment above for the information if you do want to join us, because it’s a Sunday evening if you are five hours behind it might work for you. Five hours ahead it won’t work but maybe you can check on an Open thread if anyone is in your time zone and set up your own watch and discuss K-drama club. It’s been great fun and I highly recommend it.
      The other option, if you can’t join us live, is for you or me to do a fan wall post and we can chat on there about the show.

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    @indyfan
    I had it on Audible and I got up to the part where the old lady’s ghost was in the cinema and the smell of kerosene was all around. So I guess that is how the whale cinema burnt down.

    I couldn’t listen to any more as it was just going to far into realm of strange things but I wanted to know what the girl who didn’t speak went to jail for as she was accused of killing 800 people and I just couldn’t work out what she could have done to kill so many people.

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      One of my discussion points (repulsion points?) was the degree of violence. You were right to bail then because the violence committed against her in jail was the most horrific. At the point I realized the violence was a point in of itself. It served no narrative purpose. I loathe that. I was also deeply trouble at the sheer amount of sexual violence in the book. It wasn’t titillating. BUT I do not think a female author would have written with such lack of emotion. It was very troubling.

      That said it was an ambitious book filled many other wonderful aspects. I just don’t think it was worth it. (And it was a lovely, peaceful epilogue—and completely unearned).

      I think I’m going to have a lot to say about this book! 😀

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        It really is going to be an interesting discussion. I wonder what others will think. I don’t know why it was short listed for the International Booker prize.

        It was the amount of sex, the supernatural fantasy elements; the woman commanding the bees with a whistle, the child talking to the elephant but can’t speak to humans and even her existence being the result of a 4 year gestation period.

        So what did the girl do to be accused of killing 800 people?

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    @dylanrodrigues42
    Hi
    I brought you here so we were not on the main site. I was wondering if you are able to watch Eye love you without subs or did you find somewhere that has subs. I have looked in several places and can’t find even machine generated subs. Please could you share your source. Thanks.

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Finally, The dog show has returned to being a fun watch🥳

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    Hi @mmmmm
    I understood you weren’t questioning my judgement☺️ I just wanted to let you know it wasn’t a random interesting points but no substance channel as I know you are a busy woman. I read Make it stick – The science of successful learning and did a Coursera course by Barbara Oakley on learning years ago. Justin mentions a lot of the things they mentioned and a whole lot of new to me things. I have study skills as part of my degree but because science is a weak area for me I need to know any extra tips so the extra study needed to get the basics alongside the more advanced won’t mean I have no life outside of work and studies.

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      I’m interested primarily because you mentioned that you want to study and have a life outside studies which is exactly what I want to be able to do. I’ll have a look, thanks Mom Beans.

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End of year round up

Day 16- Your guilty pleasure.
King the Land; a plain and simple rom com with a friendship group that were a lot of fun and a couple that actually spoke to each other so there were no incidents of noble idiocy. It was not perfect by any means as it would have been better if it was shorter without the in your face PPL which was funny at first but then fell into the category of too much of a good thing.


Day 17- Oldie (non 2023) you loved the most.
Chicago typewriter I watched this one reluctantly because I thought it would be too scary for me but in the end I loved it. I really liked Yoo Ahin and as it was after the news had dropped re his involvement in prescription drugs abuse, it felt like a real lose to the industry if he is not able to come back after he has had some treatment. Having watched this oldie so recently it meant that I had confidence in the writer when Twinkling Watermelon dropped.

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End of year round up

Day 15- Special Kimchi slap edition: worst parent.
The mum in The good bad mother was consistently showing that just when you thought she could not dig any deeper in the hole that was moving her as far away from her best intentions as was possible, she would come up with the next ridiculous and beyond cruel idea. If I could make a gif I would illustrate it with the therapy scene from Prison Playbook where he drawing a line to show how far he was from his dream outcome and he continued the line onto the table, floor and kept banging the pen into the wall to try to show the line should extend down the corridor outside the room.

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    Here’s the iconic scene, Mother Bean 🙂

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    Omg ‘great’ pick!! she made me hiushduiahsdkjashd so much that I forgot she existed for a moment there till I saw your post. Frustrating/10, the only thing more frustrating was the sickness-redemption arc they tried to shove in to nullify everything she did.

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      I know, it was the witnessing of the death of her family that was beyond horrific and clearly left its mark and then to lose her husband and under those circumstances all provided great context for her trauma response BUT she needed serious psychological help with those aspects of her life experiences. Unfortunately, her parenting and subsequent relationship with her son meant they both suffered when they could have been pulling together instead.

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    15-worst parents: all of them in Perfect Marriage Revenge

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End of year roundup so far

1- Female lead you will never forget (for better or worse)
Chungah even though she was given very little screen time she was a beautiful character that anybody who took the time to communicate with fell in love with. It was an ensemble cast so I see all four of the young people as the main leads.


2- Male lead you will never forget (for better or worse).
Kiho from Castaway diva when he cut the call when she was live on the radio I was proper mad at him but over time we saw him melt and his long term consistent search for her more than made up for his initial attitude towards her. I loved teen and adult version when he was not being gruff. I have not seen the end of the drama at the point of posting this.


3- Side character that stole the drama.
The twins in The good bad mother. The way they accepted and played with the boy in the disabled adult body brought light into the often dark and violent drama.


4- The drama you loved and Beanies hated / The drama you hated and Beanies loved.
Daily dose of sunshine had very mixed reviews on the site but I loved it even though it had heavy themes and was not realistic at times. The show used an interesting mix of case examples to raise awareness about mental illness and showed the spectrum of relationships impacted by the various conditions whilst keeping it entertaining. Hopefully this will lead to more appropriate responses being shown in other dramas.


6- The character that deserves a kimchi slap.
The dad in Castaway diva is almost dropped the drama because of this character and have yet to watch him get his comeuppance so can’t go into details at this point.


7- The drama Beanies convinced you to watch and you can’t be grateful enough.
Everyone tried to direct me to the original Someday or One Day because the storytelling was so great so this convinced me to try A time called you as I couldn’t take the darkness of the original but wanted to know what led to the hype. I know the original was better but I really liked the K drama version as it was a better fit for me.


8- The character who most screams for mental health care.
The second wife in Divorce attorney shin; she was unforgivable in the way she treated the first wife by stealing her child and then treating him badly all because her husband was too weak to stand up to his mum to marry her. She continued to cause problems despite the fact she got her man and even caused problems with the cases in the law firm.


9- Your non k-drama recommendation.
Fake it till you make it the standout Chinese drama of the year but it only just beats Meet yourself which was exceptional in another way.


10- Your 2023 crush.
Lee Dohyun he was exceptional in The good bad mother; believable as a seven year old, lovely with his girlfriend and ruthless in his schemes to get his own back on the villains that killed his dad.


11- Nam Da Reum prize: best child actor.
Park Soyi as the young version of the female lead in See you in my 19th life.


12- Best suit wearer.
Junho in King the land.


13- Show how you learned from your mistakes: let’s talk about drops.
Bora/Deborah so glad I walked away and I continued to run away from dramas for most of this year, Crash course in love was a major disappointment because the tiger mum storyline was just too much and the murder element nailed.


14- Best bromance / womance.
Twinkling Watermelon father and son in both timelines. Whilst things were rocky in the original 2023 on the whole this was a special relationship.

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    Welcome back! You were missed a lot!

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      Thank you❤️ I have had a lovely welcome back and looking forward to being back fully when I have caught up on all the dramas and can safely read all the back posts.

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    1-female lead: Gil-Chae in My Dearest & Mi-Joo in Good Bad Mother
    2-male lead: Jang-Hyun My Dearest and Dr Kim Sabu, Dr Romantic 3
    3-side character: Jung-Jung in My Dearest (so likeable) and Ryang-Eum in My Dearest (interesting)
    4-drama I loved, hated by others: King the Land
    scene stealer: MR GU!!!! in Dr. Romantic
    6-deserved a slap: Yoo-Ra, Perfect Marriage Revenge
    7-Beanies convinced me to watch: Twinkling Watermelon–so very glad that I did!
    8-needs mental healthcare: Dr Cha in Dr Romantic 3
    9-non Kdrama recommendation: Jdrama “First Love”
    10-2023 crush: Lee Joeng-Ha, Moving–just as adorable as Park Bo-Gum! and re-ignited crush on Zo In-Sung (The Classic): loved his flying scene as much as I did Lois & Superman
    11-best child actor: Park So-Yi Ban Ji-Eum in My 19th Life; not many to choose from this year
    12-best suit wearer: JunHo, of course–OMG! AND always Bang Sung-Hoon!
    13-drops: generally not a dropper but couldn’t make it through ep1 Bo!Ra even though I love Yoo In-Ha. Show I was wanted to watch (very high reviews until last episode): Heatbeat with Tacyeon
    14-best bromance: Twinkling Watermelon, Dr Romantic (Dr Nam & Dr Kim). Haven’t seen yet but hoping: 1938 Nine-tailed, which is still on my list!

    My favorite movies (older): 645, Race to Freedom, Marathon

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    I didn’t love every take of yours, but almost all!
    Loved: Kiho from Castaway / The twins in The good bad mother (they should win awards!) / Daily dose of sunshine – how could you not love it? / second wife in Divorce attorney shin / Lee Dohyun / Park Soyi / Best suit wearer / Best bromance / womance (actually haven’t seen, but enough reviews that I know it was solid)

    Bora/Deborah: bad ratings in Korea and little love – it wasn’t that bad! Some cringe moments at start, but I stand that it was decent. Better than other dramas I have crawled through!

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      Oh that’s great next year look out for the call for ideas for the prompts they come up on a fanwall or Open Thread post then from start of December beanies post them on their fan walls so hopefully you can join in. They are usually one post per day but as I was away on holiday I posted all the ones I missed in one post.

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Another attack by the bots all on the Saturday/Sunday posts, this time 8 comments were posted the last two times it was 7. Six were replies to the first comment, then a random one sentence comment to look like a normal post and the final comment just after it with the same spam. They were all sent within minutes of each other.
Well done Beanies for being on it immediately we need to maintain our vigilance and shut these down quickly.

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    🫘Beansprout🌱 to all the Ninja Beanies who responded so quickly. Sorry tagging not working for me at the moment, but you know who you are. Posting here as I worry they may be trying to review our responses hence changing where they respond in the thread, not copying and pasting and dropping more comments this time.

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    Today the bot attacks came from unregistered commentator.
    🤷‍♀️

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      Yes and they were removed really quickly too. I sent an email to the site re the above patterns plus the time of attack seems to the same but the new element seems to be it was mid week as previous attacks seemed to be at the weekend. Also they didn’t do the cut and paste quote from a beanie mid thread ora separate stand alone comment at the end of the comments. They did do the seven comments though and similar type of ad with link so it’s definitely the same company using the same approach.

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        Well let us do what we can.
        Please do post this in Open Thread again so that we can create awareness amongst as many Beanies as possible.

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          I will do, hopefully we are getting to the end of this round as they tend to only be around for a short while. I wonder if I miss a lot of them as I am not usually online at this time.

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          I have just checked my notifications and the bots replies are still in there and when I click on the notification it leads to a random point on a page. So this may confirm that the bots operate when I am usually offline and the comments are deleted before I log back in. It also explains the notifications leading nowhere even when clicking on the account name. I will add this observation to the Open Thread post too as other people commented on this problem.

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        I think the spam comments from unregistered users are deleted quickly as they may perhaps go through another level of security.
        Nevertheless, we have to keep our guard up and as more Beanies know about this, whoever is online can report these comments immediately.

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          Unregistered account may have added a comment to an old post. I can see the tag on beanie page but not the original post and clicking on view in context button is not showing the tag or the original comment so it may have been removed quickly.

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      Today was a new approach:
      a couple of hours earlier than usual, it was 5 posts not 7. They either used two different accounts one with both names and one with only the second name or they edited the name thinking it would get under the radar. They were not removed as quickly as Monday as I came online an hour later and there was one undetected that I tagged and all the one’s that had been tagged were still there.

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    I do hope you are recovering well. Are you still on medication.

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    An unregistered poster replied to my comment in the WWW Thread of Oct 14, 2023 quoting part of my comment.

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      Yes I just saw that but can’t see them posting anywhere else and another one used their name and a couple of other words which made no sense and again no other comments. I wonder if these are test posts to see if we will notice. Both got shut down. I have my post ready for Open thread in an hour. It looks like they will continue with the combination of registered and unregistered accounts. It is so strange that it has not stopped as the previous posts were all in batches and then nothing for a few weeks. I have not been aware of any going on this long.

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      I also noticed the test post has been put out a few times they do this from time to time when something is going on behind the scenes so they may be making some changes which may help with this process.

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        Do you mean DB is making behind-the-scenes changes to stop these spam posts.
        changes

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          I hope so. They have definitely made some changes and the test post comments from 2017 spoke about changes being made and issues on the site and that was the year the new site was launched.

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            Great news. 👏
            I was also going to report that test comment too, then I saw your similar comment.
            But I wasn’t able to peruse the thread. 😀

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    How are you feeling Mother Bean.
    Hope you are getting better every day.
    Have the increased security walls been effective. There do not appear to have been any more issues. 🤞
    Thank you for your post in the Open Thread.

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      I am finally pain free for most of the day🥳 I will be testing if the problem has actually gone or if it’s just the pain meds masking but I am hopeful that I am finally on the home straight. Thanks for asking.

      Yes I am convinced the security successfully shut down the problem as we got through the weekend with no issues. Let’s hope that post is no longer relevant, but thanks for all you did to make things harder for the bots.

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        Yay good news!👍 👏

        So so happy your pain is manageable now. Hope you are rid of all pain soon and can get back to your training as the Entertainer!!

        Remember to invite us for your show. 🤩

        Yay for all the powers-that-be in DB who put up impenetrable walls.

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    Mother Bean 🥳
    Hope you’re feeling well and are getting better and better every day. The real world needs you but so do the Beanies. Let’s catch up in Samdal-ri. 😀
    What do the colorful hearts mean in your new display name.
    We are getting separation anxiety, reunite with your Beanies soon!!

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      Thanks for checking in. I am due to travel back to the UK later today, I had really limited WiFi access as I prioritised enjoying the sunshine and scenery. I keep getting a weird page display on the site so I have just read and liked some comments and stayed away from the weecaps. Looking forward to catching up on the shows and reading everyone’s end of year round up entries.

      The heart colours are just a reflection of my joy watching the first episode of Welcome to Samdalri.

      The holiday was great, healing is slower than I want and low level pain remains a part of my new normal.

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        Aah! So happy to hear from you after so long and even happier to know you had a good time. I pray for your recovery every day.

        May the coming year see you shining brighter than ever, feeling stronger and more powerful each day.

        Take care, remember to have your medication on time, eat good food, be happy and healthy, watch and discuss dramas with your Beans. ❤

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          It’s funny how a few weeks of radio silence in Beanie land leads to a search and rescue mission being put in place! That’s why I send out advance notice but it seems a few people missed the memo😒

          Thank you, prayers are always gratefully received. I had a miracle pain free journey here from my door to touch down on the island so I know that answered prayers is just about timing and learning the character lessons in the meantime.

          See you in the comments when I am back 😊

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            How is the New Year treating you Mother Bean. I hope you’re getting better every day. Is the pain manageable, do you still need to take medication. I remember you in my prayers.

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            @seeker thanks for checking in. I came off the meds to see what my pain levels were like and now they are out of my system I can see the pain has improved but is still at a level that needs medication to be mobile so speaking with the doctor tomorrow to get some different ones prescribed which hopefully will be more effective. I have an MRI scan due later in the month so we can see what’s going on and make a treatment plan.

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            Please do take care and treat yourself kindly. I know it can be frustrating to not be able to physically do things which one took for granted earlier. But it WILL get better. Best of luck for your doctor’s appointment. Hwaiting!!

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            @Reply1988 I’m writing to you here for a little privacy. 😀 I was really shocked when you said you felt unheard on DB. You are the first person to reach out to everyone and ensure no comment is left unanswered. Please, please tag me anywhere you want.
            I was intending to reach out to you over the weekend about your appointment and hope your new medication has started. Please take care of your health and please accept this *virtual hug*.

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            @seeker sorry to make it sound dramatic. This was Autumn/Winter 2022 before a lot of the currently active beanies were operational. There were a few veteran beanies but quite often they didn’t like the dramas I like as they are too low maintenance with very little ‘drama’ so there would be two or three beanies commenting there compared to the popular shows like attorney woo and alchemy which had 100’s of comments but I couldn’t join in.
            I am very pleased that things are busy now and it’s very rare we have tumbleweed on any post although Maestra: String of truth is a good example of what it was like. Were you commenting back then? I look back at older posts when I am looking for beanies who are no longer active to unfollow so I can follow the newbies and I see beanies I hadn’t realised I was interacting with from since I joined as I am surprised they have low numbers of comments considering how long they have been on the site compared to me.

            Re my health I misheard the date on the phone and when the letter arrived it gave the date for the MRI as the end of the month. I started the new meds so I am currently waiting for them to kick in but hopefully they will be effective.

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            Mother Bean I’m relieved that this commenting / interactions slump is all in the past. *huge sigh of relief*

            Recovery can indeed be rather tricky. I do hope you feel better soon.

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            I am loving the gif where did you get it or did you create it yourself?

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            @seeker sorry forgot to tag you. Thanks for the encouragement it is a very slow process it will be six months from the onset by the time the current return to work plan is completed in March😱 I need to be fully operational by then.

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            Oh good you liked the gif. These are Line Stickers which have cute Korean phrases which obviously I can post only on DB.

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            As I have learnt from personal experience – Health is Wealth. Don’t pressurize yourself, support your body and it will support you. I’m sure you’ll be up and running sooner rather than later.
            Having always worked, we sometimes forget that work is only a part of life. Take as much time as you need to heal and be strong.

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            Also, my offer to you to tag me anytime, anywhere is genuine and sincere. Irrespective of any tumbleweed, leveling up. ❤

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