Beanie level: Candy

Winner – Have a Good Day new song from the Japanese version of Our Twenty For. Composed by Seunghoon. Lyric translation by @chrissy96_ under reply 😀

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    WINNER “HAVE A GOOD DAY”
    Lyrics by MINO, SEUNGHOON, ZERO
    Composed by MINO, UK JIN KANG
    Arranged by UK JIN KANG

    Even if you’re far away, may my heart be close to you
    I’ll wave my hand and send you a smile, don’t feel lonely

    The moon rises deep into the night
    I think about you, who is not here
    I couldn’t say goodbye, thank you, or anything in our last moment

    Time passes without any salvation from God
    A flower burns vividly, it flames upwards as pure white ash

    What can I do to make it all a lie, don’t say goodbye
    Right now, without any preparation, I pray for your life

    I hold fate close right now, I send all of what I loved to you
    Have a good day, have a good day, have a good day
    When this life ends, until this pain that spears my heart disappears
    Have a good day, have a good day, have a good day in heaven

    The last LINE message I sent you, it doesn’t say “read”
    It’s strangely lovely, this childish timeline
    Even if I try to forget everything
    I can’t erase the memory of our second kiss that I locked

    We’re frozen in my memories
    Words that were said habitually still stay
    So that nothing is forgotten, resent me
    Or else it’ll become smoke that no one can grab and fly away

    What can I do to make it all a lie, don’t say goodbye
    Right now, without any preparation, I pray for your life
    I hold fate close right now, I send all of what I loved to you
    Have a good day, have a good day, have a good day
    When this life ends, until this pain that spears my heart disappears
    Have a good day, have a good day, have a good day in heaven

    The only thing I can do is pray
    I can’t absorb the pain and loneliness that you are experiencing
    The warmth of those hands barely stay in my hands that are numb with cold
    I can’t let go of that voice

    I hold fate close right now, I send all of what I loved to you
    Have a good day, have a good day, have a good day
    When this life ends, until this pain that spears my heart disappears
    Have a good day, have a good day, have a good day in heaven

    My lovely dear, where are you now
    I want to see you

    No matter where you are
    Have a good day, have a good day, have a good day

    When the last day arrived, if we had met…

    Those unspoken words…
    No matter where you are
    Have a good day, have a good day, have a good day in heaven

    Even if you’re far away, may my heart be close to you
    I’ll wave my hand and send a smile, don’t feel lonely

    chrissy96_

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      The lyrics made me cry so much when I read them last night and the song is perfect!!

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    Alternative translation

    Is there a way to embed tweets? Or multiple picture per reply/post?

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      For embedding tweets, try the ‘add video’ option.. It works for instagram links so it should work for twitter links too…

      Multiple pictures/ gifs per post are possible if you add them through “add image URL” option.. For pictures in reply, you can use the html code [img src=” “] with the image address within the quotes and instead of the square brackets use the less than/greater than signs… I don’t think there is any way to add instantly playable video links in comments though..

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        Thank you! I’ll try those out next time I made a post 😀

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    ! Forgot to change. The composer is Mino for “Have a Good Day”

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Winner – Raining new song from the Japanese version of Our Twenty For. Composed by Seunghoon. Lyric translation by @chrissy96_ under reply 😀

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    WINNER “RAINING”
    Lyrics by SEUNGHOON, MINO, ZERO
    Composed by SEUNGHOON, UK JIN KANG
    Arranged by UK JIN KANG

    A difference in emotions that violently shake
    My predictions that are usually wrong
    Make me walk in rain boots after the rain
    I quickly forget this kind of depression
    And live a life of repetition

    Without crossing the street, just like I always do
    I watch the traffic lights change again, just motionlessly
    I hate my heart that clouds over when I leave it to others

    Close the window today
    Don’t freeze in the cold wind
    If you could think about me
    And if someone rings the doorbell, don’t open the door
    So no one makes you cry like I did

    Raining, raining, raining, incessantly pouring (in the rain)
    In my eyes and in my memories, you keep flowing
    Without moving forward, forward, forward (not yet)
    Without an umbrella, I wait for time to wash it away

    The town that’s frozen from the cold
    I mistake someone for you
    What if you forget your umbrella and feel flustered
    And share an umbrella with a stranger
    On days like this, the dam in my heart feels like it’ll overflow
    Reason crumbles and my tears flow
    My frustration and emptiness are like the ocean
    I hate the rain and blame it
    Close the window today
    Don’t freeze in the cold wind
    If you could think about me
    And if someone rings the doorbell, don’t open the door
    So no one makes you cry like I did

    Raining, raining, raining, incessantly pouring (in the rain)
    In my eyes and in my memories, you keep flowing
    Without moving forward, forward, forward (not yet)
    Without an umbrella, I wait for time to wash it away

    Even if the rain reverts things as if everything didn’t happen
    and make the streets muddy
    Don’t ever look back
    Before the sun sets, follow my footprints
    With your white shoes, take the path like you would

    Raining, raining, raining, incessantly pouring (in the rain)
    In my eyes and in my memories, you keep flowing
    Without moving forward, forward, forward (not yet)
    Without an umbrella, I wait for time to wash it away

    From the speaker,
    the song that we often used to listen to together flow
    Memories come back to life
    I ride the melody, rain rain
    From the leaking sky [rain] keeps [pouring down]
    When the sky perfectly clears up like a sunny day
    My memories will gradually fade
    Calming the depths of my heart, rain rain

    In my empty heart [rain] keeps [pouring down]

    Source: chrissy96_

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    I am so proud! Hoony’s first composition is so so good! I hope he is able to release more of his own compositions… And the song is so so good!

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Upcoming k-movie “Golden Slumbers” starring Kang Dong Wong & Han Hyoo Joo. 2 versions of the song “Golden Slumbers” (original version by The Beatles) by Winner’s Kang Seung Yoon and Lee Hi.

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    Hayi’s version (no full song re-uploaded yet)

    https://twitter.com/kstlkn/status/953830442733457408

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    Oooh we posted the same thing! <3
    The song is so perfect! Yoon's voice suits the whole feel perfectly!

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      😀 Indeed. The confusions ICs (me included) were in before it was confirmed that Yoon sang it was funny. Been waiting for the full version and it still feels so short.

      Waiting for Hayi’s full ver. to be shared too. Her voice sounds so pretty there.

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        Hahha.. I was 99% sure it was him but I wanted confirmation! But his voice is pretty unique!
        Also hiiii fellow IC! There are not many ICs on DB but there are many ppl who like Winner’s songs 🙂

        Lee Hi’s voice is amazing! She has such a big vocal range!

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          Hi hi, I admit to stalking yours and a few others IC’s wall a few weeks back. The last drama I watched was KMHM so it has been around 2 years since last I was on DB, until Prison Playbook (which I still have yet to watch but soon).

          Yep was 99% sure it was him too but there was no news or anything about it, so like is it? Is it him? It IS him, riiight?

          Hayi’s recent Breathe performance at the GDA was really hard to watch. Her voice was beautiful as was the live orchestra, but when she choked up and knowing the lyric and its signinificance…

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        Hehheh.. I am happy to be stalked on DB 😀

        So should I say welcome back to DB? 🙂 KMHM was a good show, but basically carried by Ji Sung’s brilliant performance!

        Prison Playbook is really good! Did you get interested in it because of Yoonie?

        That performance was so sad! It was hard watching her try to sing but not being able to!

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          …I wrote a long comment and then apparently I posted an inappropiate word, took a bit to figure out what it was.. I guess I should save my comments before pressing send.

          Throroughly enjoyed reading the walls of being convinced and trying to convince of the gloriousness that is WINNER.

          Well, technically, I only registered recently and was all shocked to find that I already had comments under my name. Totally forgot that I used to comment during KMHM. Ji Sung was indeed brilliant there, my favourite of his dramas is still Secrets even though it was so… him and HJG was really brilliant there.

          Yep, originally checked it out for Seungyoon and the I read the re-caps (too bad there were only for 2 episodes) and read beanies’ comments, and stalk soompi’s thread and read through the comments at K*ss*sian’s site and totally spoiled myself XD.

          Sometimes I forgot because it feels like she’s been around for awhile but Hayi is still so young.

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        Oh no! I hate when that happens! That is why I have learned to copy my comments before pressing send!

        Hhahhah… that must have been on @irishrah‘s wall.. I had fun dropping candies in the form of Winner videos for her! Oh but there were many of those “why Winner is awesome” comments on my wall too! @whoopeeyoo is a fellow IC and @wakimary loves them too! @kaybee is the one who introduced me to them and @sicarius has recently started loving them.. @jenmole is currently exploring and loving them 🙂

        Well then I would say Welcome to Dramabeans!! 🙂 KMHM was along time back and you are practically a new beanie! 😀 I still haven’t watched Secret because HJG and her screams scare me 😛 (Did you ever think Jinwoo looks a bit like her sometimes?)

        Lol so you went out of your way to spoil yourself? 😛

        Her voice is so powerful! I don’t follow her much but I remember she once sang in an episode of Mix and Match and I loved it.. And her recent collab with Epikk High was pretty awesome!

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          INNER CIRCLE PARTYYYYYYYYYY~

          Also, Lee Hi voted for Team A in WIN: Who is Next? and I love her for that HAHAHA (I THINK I CAN RELATE EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE TO WINNER hahaha)

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            Hehhhe.. Only she and TOP voted for Team A, right? I think I started liking TOP a lil since then! (I still don’t understand how all the judges kept criticizing Team A even in the final battle- they were so good and had shown such growth)

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            Hahah! I originally watched WIN for Daesung so I came in half way through. Daesung voted for Team B if I’m not wrong, I voted for team A. I was only halfway into stanning team A at the time so it didn’t really bother me. But, in retrospect, it feels a bit weird having my bias voting for the rival team.

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            Hi Five all ICs! I love being notified on winner stuff! Hehe.. btw DB slump is real.. I mean I don’t even lurk these days.. I logged on here today more out of how can i have not checked DB in so long duty than really checking.. I man I was the queen of lurking ! Although @ailea and get thoroughness has left me behind!

            And ooohh another officially missing you fan!! That’s really the point when i fell fully into the winner blackhole while watching WIN ! And whoa. Lovely fan art!

            Also @whoopeeyoo – been meaning to ask.. was that you on the Mino Olympics torch relay YouTube live link??! I popped in there for few mins and saw your unique pic in comments but feed moved too fast to actually check! Another Hi Five! 😉

            @jenmole – so curious about how far down the rabbit hole have you reached?! Heard you started on WIN ? You have it bad too don’t you?! Are you perhaps inn the denial stage?! ^_^

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            @irishrah Hi fives back at you~

            Hehe, thank you. I think Officially Missing You was probably that point for me too. I don’t think I can watch WIN anymore now… the heartache and knowing that Taehyun has part way… I can’t watch WinnerTV or Bandalland anymore either. Would probably take a long while still before I could >_<

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            @irishrah ohmygod YES, I watched the livestream of the Pyeongchang Olympic Torch Relay in the hopes of seeing Mino

            OHMYGOD you saw me and my cute little pig avatar and I don’t know if I should be amazed or embarrassed HAHAHA

            Actually, I only became a fan of WINNER this 2017 but I’m trying very hard to catch up and know everything. I’ve only stanned BIG BANG before but I don’t think I ended up this obsessed because back in 2008, I didn’t have the resources to watch all variety shows etc, unlike now. So I guess my love for the two are incomparable too, given the circumstances of the time. #YGstan #YGcult

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            Ahahah, I guess I do know more about YGE mostly because there are places that updates news on all the company’s activities altogether and since I check those places out for Winner (used to be for Big Bang and found Winner that way); ended up knowing more about their other artists too compared to other companies. Helps that I enjoy most of their songs.

            I’ve liked Big Bang too but yeah, not as much as I like Winner. I’ve definitely watched more Big Bang’s varieties (they do have more) compared to Winner though. A difference between like and love? 😀

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            @ailea I can’t say that I love WINNER and only like BIG BANG because my high school self will slap me. I love BIG BANG too! I am just more obsessed with WINNER during this first year that I’m stanning them compared to BB back then because I didn’t have my own laptop/Internet connection back in 2008 so I couldn’t fangirl as much. Hahaha!

            Sometimes I feel guilty because I feel like I don’t show enough love to BB HAHAHA

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            I first saw a Big Bang MV when my sis shared their Lies MV probably around their promotion time but I was really NOT into rap (I’ve come to appreciate them now but I’m still not much of a fan) and so they didn’t really piqued my interest. Then around 2010 (not long after the start of FO 2), I started watching Family Outing (the 1st) and there was this one episode (20? 21? in the YT link below) where they held a mini concert at one of the villages they visited and during the rehearsal time, they sang a bit of Lies and it was a mess (lol) until the chorus and I keep repeating that part and wondering what changed and realised that it was because Daesung joined in (he was also on drums). Over time, I checked out Big Bang and sorta follow their appearance here and there but yeah… the big pull was definitely Daesung more than Big Bang and I guess it has remains as such? Used to lurked around BBUpdates back then but yeah… it has been awhile.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82z-UazvEmE

            XD Same, lol. I’m barely keeping up with Big Bang and Daesung now. There’s definitely guilty feelings caused by that.

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          Actually, Lee Hi only voted during the 30+-people-as-judges assessment. It was I think there were 10 votes for Team A and 15 for B? TOP and Seungri voted for Team A in the first battle.

          I HAVE RECEIPTS!!!! Hahaha

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          I’m pretty sure I’ve stalked throughout the walls of the names you mentioned 😀

          I think I’m less bothered by HJG’s screams and most of the time don’t really feel like she’s screaming at all. So, I’m always a bit confused whenever her screams are mentioned. I came by Secrets by way of HJG who I loved in Can You Hear My Heart? which I watched because of Kim Jaewon who I liked from Wonderful Life which I watched for Eugene, I don’t remember from where I like Eugene XD

          So, I already like her beforehand so it’s probably why I’m not bothered? (I’ve seen that being mentioned, sometimes I see it sometimes not so much, but well, Jinwoo does has a lot of look-a-likes).

          I did. I did that with KMHM too 😀 I want to watch it but I honestly haven’t been in watching mood for a long while but I want to know what happens and so…

          The first K-Pop album I bought was her debut album, so she’ll always have a special place with me 😀 Plus the album has quite the range of songs, my personal favourite is “I’m Strange” composed by indie singer/songwriter Sungwoo Jun-Ah

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHiSSjimJZY

          I remember the episode, I thought the teams did especially well during that week. I guess the girls were a fresh breath of air and a change of mood for them.

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            Lol.. you must have been lurking for a while then! 🙂

            Pfffftt.. that is a long relational chart… I had one for my process of finding actors.. It went sth like Boys Over Flowers- Lee Min Ho to Kim Woo Bin (Heirs) to Lee Jong Suk (School 2013) to Seo In Guk (No Breathing) to Park Bo Gum and Jang Nara (I Remember You) to Jung Kyung Ho (One More Happy Ending)..

            Jinwoo surely resembles many beautiful faces and the comparisons have been drawn with some heroines and Jung Kyung Ho and even Lee Jong Suk and Ji Chang Wook!

            Oh thanks for this song! This was so good!

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            @obsessedmuch It is, I have one for Winner to going all the way back from Yoona, lol. 9th Inning 2 outs (Yoona) to WGM (Seohyun, because SNSD) to Family Outing 2 (Yoona again) to Family Outing (found Daesung) to YG new gens.

            Read somewhere that many of the handsome/beautiful faces tend to be similar to each other. I guess precisely because of the specific feature types that is considered beautiful?

            Isn’t it? The lyric is interesting too. I think Hayi has been getting some really good composers and top that with her voice <3

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            Hhaha yeah another long relational chart! SO were you a kpop fan before you got into kdramas? I got into kpop only last April and luckily found Winner right from the start!

            Ah yes.. quite possible! It’s interesting how there are only few features which are considered traditionally “beautiful”.. And here I am loving all the Winner boys for how good- looking they are..

            I first saw Hayi in an that Soohyun+Bobby song which was cute! But then I just focused on AKMU rather than Hayi..

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            I think I become a K-pop fan first before a k-drama one although I found K-drama before I become a K-pop fan the only 2 dramas from then I could remember was Choon Hyang (randomly bought the CD set from a local bookstore) and considerably long after 9th Inning 2 Outs then only I started actively looking for k-dramas.

            But mostly my kpop fan err tenure before Winner consisted of checking out BB (mostly Daesung)’s variety shows and re-watching Family Outing episodes (I was really obsessed with it and have probably watched the first 50 or so episodes, before Chun Hee and Ye Jin depart, at least 3 times each).

            I have both Lee Hi & AkMu’s debut albums. I think I got into Lee Hi from watching the final performance of Kpop star (didn’t watch the show before that) and was impressed. After that was 1, 2, 3, 4 which was fun despite her veeery stiff expression.

            AkMu, I’m not too sure how I got into them but before I know it I’m already listening to their songs and buying their album lol. Still haven’t buy both Lee Hi & AkMu’s 2nd albums though… No more budget.

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            @obsessedmuch @ailea Are you familiar with the YGE rapper, One? He’s in Hwayugi too as the grandson of the magical store.

            Anyway, he also looks like Jinwoo. A bit. #random (And he was supposed to be in WINNER too so everyone’s so related. Hahaha)

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          Holaaaa~~
          Recently? What counts as recently? I feel like it’s been a while now, even if it did take me a year to get here hahaha

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            Are you here yet though? I feel like you’re still standing on that precipice and still resisting falling down that cliff 😀

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            Hahha seems like @ailea has observed you Sico..
            It did take you a while and then Yoon and his adorable yet mature ways finally got to you! 🙂

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            @aiaiai
            Hahahaha oooooooh~~
            Mmmm they’re not Block B level but no-one is Block B level for me, but I’d say I’ve jumped. I, ofc, blame Yoonie’s nose crinkle entirely for pushing me.
            Muchie and I have discussed this at length though, and the rate of obsession for which I get into groups is considerably lower than it was when I first got into Kpop, so you’re not gonna see the effect of it as much I guess. Since I’m rarely a screaming fan anyway hehehe

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            I tagged the WRONG PERSON sorry Beanie!
            @ailea

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            XD I saw that conversation, and Yoonie from Wild & Young era was brought up. Good job @obsessedmuch

            I was never really the squeling type of fan either and thought I was a pretty dedicated fan of Big Bang (by way of Daesung) but then come Winner like a rolling ball and re-defined the term fan for me 😀 Still can’t believe I actually made a Daum account just to vote for them (can’t remember the username & password I used though, so can’t access anymore :P) and even stayed the night up until 3-4am to draw a fan art, it was after Officially Missing You performance and the feelings were flowing.

            They (and the manga Haikyuu!!) are pretty much the only (2) fandom(s) where I become the squeal type of fan and I’m pretty low key most of the time.

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            @sicarius omg Yoon’s nose crinkle, yes!

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          HELLO! @ailea from a Beanie who’s an unofficial IC but definitely loves Winner (since Team A!) If ever you’d check my wall,please excuse the Highlight (formerly Beast) or Just Between Lovers or Lee Gikwang spam and I swear that I Really Really love Winner.

          Thanks for sharing Hayi’s version and don’t worry I bet Muchie aka @obsessedmuch loves being stalked and known as DB Resident IC and of course the co-IC leader @whoopeeyoo would have receipts even from WIN era 😉 Hi you Two!

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            Hiii wakiiiii! 😀 I see what you did there with really really 😛
            I am pretty sure @ailea would know that you are an IC too! You have been part of most of the Winner convos 😀

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            Hello 😀 I have indeed checked your wall! No worries about Highlight and the other stuffs, I don’t know them that well but I don’t mind reading about them at all and admittedly I used the search function to look up Winner quite often, eheh.

            Hayi’s voice is truly sweet in this song 😀

            @obsessedmuch I do indeed know 😀

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            @wakimary no need to excuse all the Gikwang + Highlight posts because they are most welcome! HIHIHI

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          @irishrah I haven’t started on WIN yet, but it’s bookmarked to watch hopefully soon. I haven’t done much lurking coz that requires a lot of time! But when I do listen to their music, especially in the car, I turn up the volume to try to recognize who is singing or who is rapping. Yoon’s got this awesome voice I can’t get enough of. Mino’s got this swag rapping voice. Jinwoo’s is very distinct. And Hoon, I haven’t got a grasp of yet, only because I’ve been listening to older songs when they were 5, so I’m just confused. Anytime I have questions about the boys, I just go to muchie, my WINNER go to.

          @obsessedmuch, on Friday, driving to work and listening to YT, you’d be happy to know the following artists played in this order: SIG, WINNER, SIG! All were YT suggestions. 😂

          Hi to @ailea! Welcome or welcome back to DB! I’m still exploring WINNER, and absolutely loving everything about them right now. I read some of the thread below and realize that one way or another, Big Bang has an influence to finding WINNER. I see you like Daesung! I adore all the BB boys! Have you seen Daesung do his trot singing on Fantastic Duo 2? He was so entertaining!

          @whoopeeyoo, I love your comment about your high school self slapping your current self. See my above comment about Big Bang.

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            GD’s my first kpop love and I remember bawling when I saw the music video for Haru Haru (Park Min-young, hello!) in my high school dorm. Gah, the memories. I have so many memories of BB and I’m glad I came back to kpop because I get to make new ones of them too, alongside WINNER’s. HIHIHI @jenmole

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            Hehheh.. I am proud to be a WINNER go to! 😀 And for Hoonie’s voice- I initially identified it as “that voice which could be almost irritating but is still not” 🤣🤣… It’s surprising how I noticed Hoony the least in the beginning (except that place in RR where he goes “Hot Chili”) but now I notice him before anyone else!

            And yay- good job YT! 😀 I wonder though- you drive with music playing on YT? Ppl usually go to YT for videos and you go for mainly audios?

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            I don’t have Spotify or use Pandora or whatever those apps they have out there. My free option would be YT. I swear I don’t watch the videos while driving! That’s illegal! LOL

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            Hhahha… I believe you!
            And my go to for music is YT too as I don’t have those music apps either 🙂

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            Hi~ thank you for the welcome 😀

            Hoon’s voice is light and sweet when he sings 😀 Probably can sound rather similar to Jinwoo’s at times if you’re not familiar with their voices yet. Just a video of them playing around (not drunk) uploaded by WinnerCity. Hoon is singing there.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udVuL48jnRE

            Big Bang did indeed have a hand on my finding Winner, had seen the promos and suchs for WIN but wasn’t really interested and then news of Big Bang being on the judge panel came out and well, it was one of Daesung’s few appearance after the accident so I definitely had to watch it. But, it was the week before the episode (6 if I’m not wrong) so I watched the previous episodes to try to get a handle on what the show’s about. I haven’t yet seen Dae’s appearance on Fantastic Duo 2! Something to look forward to. Have only seen Taeyang’s perfomance, which was awesome. His partner was really good!

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      Oh you have been a kdrama watcher for waaay longer than me then!

      Did you also watch Daesung’s Running Man episodes? And he acted in a show too, right? “what’s Up” I think it was called..

      I dunno about 1, 2, 3, 4 but she does have a stiff expression usually. Still loved her in Weekly Idol and random tiny appearances. But AKMU’s siblings are adorable and maybe why I love them..

      Hhahhah… I have never bought any kpop related thing till now! Not sure how long I will be able to stop the temptation..

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        I watched 2 of the appearances, the with Yonghwa and the one at the museum if I’m not wrong? Remembers the one with Yonghwa better though because he was so fast at running and hiding there XD

        He did, I watched, What’s Up is a really good drama I think. It’s too bad it’s not more known but if I remember right, the show was delayed and passed around several channels and it was aired about a few months of after the accident he was involved in and probably didn’t help that there was a car accident in the drama too…

        The drama was filled with young actors/actresses but it was really well acted. Also, Jo Jeong Suk! I think that was his first appearance on TV and his character was arguably my favourite there. He played the nervous, straight laced really well. I’d definitely recommend watching it if you haven’t.

        Yep, she does but it was especially obvious in 1, 2, 3, 4. She has improved since I’d say. True, true, AkMu’s siblings are a blessing to watch, I saw recording of the concert they did at Seoul Forest and it was so lovely and it was one of the time where I think YGE did a really good job.

        XD I’ve only bought albums (Lee Hi, AkMu, a few of Dae’s J-albums/singles, and Winners <3). I did bought some merchs for Winner but no more, no space to store and no more budget 😛

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          Yonghwa was such an RM regular that I miss him even though I have never loved him! 😛

          I started What’s Up because of all the high praise but either found video quality bed or got busy that I never watched it beyond ep 1… I really like Jo Jeong Suk! His ‘Jealousy Incarnate’ is one of my fav kdramas! (Though Seo In Guk is my forever love- dunno if you would have seen my SIG related posts if you used the search option- which btw is a brilliant idea to find like minded people on DB 😀 )

          If you don’t mind me asking, where are you from? And who are your fav k-actors/kdramas? I am just curious abt the new fellow beanie IC 🙂

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            😀 I knew Yonghwa through WGM, was watching it for Seohyun, and they were such sweet slow moving couple.

            I really like Jo Jeong Suk too, but I’ve only seen him in What’s Up and The King 2 Hearts (I truly enjoy both dramas and really like his character in both). I check out his other shows but haven’t really feel compelled to watch them yet. I think I’ve seen you mentioned Seo In Guk here and there 😀 I’ve only known him through The Master’s Sun, there’re quite a lot of k-dramas I have yet to watch.

            I don’t mind, I’m from Malaysia 🙂 Favourites huh, that’s going to be long 😀

            Fav K-actor is definitely Ji Sung 😀 Out of his dramas, I’ve watched Secrets, KMHM, New Heart (bloods, lots of bloods, and messy surgeries. I don’t know how realistic or not it is but the characters are definitely entertaining), and Protect the Boss.Definitely loves Secrets & KMHM best.

            Other than him, Cha Seung Won, Jo Jeong Seok, I guess Kim Jae Won too? Also, I’ve certainly enjoyed quite a number of Lee Seun Kyun’s dramas, not sure if I could call him fav actor or not though.

            For K-Actress, Kim Sun Ah definitely tops my list. Her appearance and (Cha Seung Won’s) in City Hall really impressed me. I almost dropped the show early on due to that chirpy high pitch voice she was doing but realised over the episodes that she used that voice only at certain times when her character is playing at being dumb.

            Other than Kim Sun Ah, Gong Hyo Jin, Hwang Jeng Eum (I’ve seen Can You Hear My Heart? Golden Time, Secrets, and Kill Me Heal Me and I’ve enjoy her acting in all those, so…), Park Soo Ae (she’s the first K-actress I like and I’ve only really seen her in 9th Inning 2 Outs but she really impressed me there).

            Favourite k-dramas would be (in no particular order): 9th Inning 2 Outs, City Hall, Misaeng, Can You Hear My Heart, Secrets. …Actually most of the dramas on my current 1st page of “My Shows” tab are those that I’ve really enjoy and have re-watched at least 2 times over. Although, technically I haven’t seen Prison Playbook so can’t really count it in, and while I enjoy Heaundae Lovers, it was a so so kinda like?

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          Oh Master’s Sun is quite old- though one of my fav shows to re-watch.. But SIG’s role there is not much.. He didn’t shine that much.. but then again it was still quite early in his career and he was acting with such stellar actors like Gong Hyo Jin and So Ji Sub.. I like his other shows a whole lot more.. And his songs.. I dunno if you have heard any but I will just share my fav In Guk song, and I am sharing the Dingo version cuz I love it.. there is an official MV which is nice too but I prefer this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb8eTKJj2k8
          Oh and you just have to check out his “bebe”.. It’s quite good!

          I haven’t seen a lot of shows and even some actresses from your list but Gong Hyo Jin is a personal fav 🙂

          And I am from India.. which you might know already from some of my wall posts 😛

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            Oh, thanks for the link. I’ll make sure to check it our once I’m home. Usually only check and comments when I’m at work since my PC at home still needs to be properly set up and don’t have access to internet. Prefer to use iPad when at home but it’s an old model and keeps crashing with pic heavy sites…

            Aha, most of the times I came by the older dramas through the actor/actress. I think I’ve even seen Gong Hyo Jin and Jang Hyuk’s “Thank You” which was apparently from 2007.

            Ooh~ 2.5 hours difference. By the way, if you don’t my asking, are you a Hindu? It’s Thaiphusam this 31st Jan right (it’s considered a public holiday in some states here and one of my colleague celebrates it so he’s been talking about it)? Although it apparently also coincedes with a lunar eclispe. Heard that most temples will closed up for about 5 hours or so here.

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            Woot~ I watched it. Really nice. I know he won SuperstarK so I figured he has got to have a good voice and he does! Also listened to a few other songs (Bebe too) but I think I like the one you linked best, “Seasons of the Heart” right? Watched the dingo and the MV version too. Bebe was fun though.

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            Awww I am glad you did! The dingo version is my favourite cuz the rain really enhances the melancholic feeling of the song..
            I love that he is an actual sunbae of Yoonie.. That’s the only way I can connect my two favourites- SIG and Winner <3

            Yeah Bebe is fun.. I like the song quite a lot cuz it's kinda catchy and a lil different from SIG's usual songs.. And man, he looks good in that MV! 😀

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        Sure.. check it out whenever you are free 🙂
        Another question out of curiosity- what are you working as? I am still looking for a job and meanwhile taking up some freelance editing projects..

        I have watched “Thank You” too! Really liked it despite it being slow and melo!

        Yup I am a Hindu 🙂 Just googled and Thaiphusam is a South Indian/Tamil festival… I am from North India and don’t really have a lot of knowledge about festivals of the South… India is such a big country that we dunno about all of our own culture, festivals and tradition! 😛

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          Sorry for taking so long to reply! It’s partly because work has been pretty busy while my colleagues have been taking “emergency” leaves and it’s submission time for the many taxes we have to file, and partly because I feel guilty for not watching the video you shared yet ><;;; Been drooping off to sleep at 9pm lately…

          I'm listed as an "Admin Assistant" officially, but it's a small company (we only have 4 employees if you include the boss) so doing way more than the job's scope for an admin. I studied film & animation though, lol. Stuffs happened and I dropped it on my very last paper, hah…

          Oh? What are of job/profession are you looking for? The economy here has been very bad these last few years, I should probably look for freelance stuffs to do too.

          😀 I've been thinking of re-watching "Thank You", had it opened on a tab and all but never actually pushed through. Guess I'm just really not in the mood for it…

          Ah, I see! Makes sense that. If I'm not wrong Diwali (called Deepavali here) is more celebrated here, I guess that's a more widespread celebration?

          I used to work (for about half a year) as a waitress way back at an Indian restaurant (their naan are absolutely delicious!) and most of the kitchen staffs are from northern India. I haven't eaten at other Indian restaurants so I can't really compare but to me the chicken do piazza and lamb rogan josh are mouth watering. It's located near the city's centre and bit far from my home though, so rarely actually drop by there.

          Also (very) unrelated, Haikyuu!! new chapter came out just now and it's yet another superb chapter. The match has gone reaaaallly long (started at chapter 249 and now it's 257 and looking unlikely to end next week either) but both the MC's and the opponent's teams have been showing one awesome plays after another. … 😀 Just needed to spread the cheer 😀

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            Awww… take care! And don’t worry abt not watching that link! You can watch it whenever you get time even months later! 🙂

            A 4 person company is sure to have lots of work for everyone!! And then ppl taking breaks would surely pile up more work for you! Hwaiting!! (Film & animation sounds interesting! But I guess sometimes things just work out differently from what we expected)

            I am trying my hands everywhere- publishing companies, schools, marketing profiles… whatever works out… I was working one yr back but resigned to prepare for some exams but that didn’t work out… So now back to looking for work.. Unemployment rates are quite high here right now… I guess the overall world economic situation is kinda bad in general..

            I don’t think I would ever be able to rewatch Thank You despite loving it a lot..

            Yup! Diwali/Deepavali is one of our main festival! 🙂
            Ooooh I like Chicken do pyazaa too! Glad that you know abt Indian cuisine!

            I don’t know much abt Haikyuu but yay for you!! But a 9 episode match??
            That’s really long!

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        I’ve defnitely bookmarked the link! for future watch 🙂

        It does! Many have advised me to try out larger companies, I do have the capabilities; but, I also simply prefer a wider range of work scope compared to a limited one and there’s also the matter of company’s politics which I assume would be a bigger mess the more employees a company has and I’d rather avoid that.

        Oh, sorry to hear that the exams didn’t work out for you, I wish you success with your job hunting 🙂 Hopes you find something that suits you well. Yep, unemployment is definitely an issue here too, funny thing is there are also a lot of companies that are looking for employes too… I guess the criterias couldn’t match.

        It has been a long time since I first watched “Thank You” that I already forgot almost everything about it except for Gong Hyo Jin’s braids XD I didn’t even remember that Jang Hyuk was in it before re-checking about it prior to posting that comment. It’d probably be almost like watching a new drama for me 😛

        There are definitely many different cultures’ cuisines to be found here, although more could be found in the capital state, I can’t even name favourites because everytime I thought “Oh~~ I definitely like that” I remember I also like another’s culture’s cuisine a lot too. The thickness and texture of the gravy in most Indian cuisines is definitely droolworthy though.

        I “found” Haikyuu!! right before FNF (which was also right before this match start) and has been obsessed with it since. So definitely yay for me~

        There has been 40 chapters just for this match, and even taking out the intermission chapters in the middle that covered one of their rival team’s match, it’s still 35 chapters worth for a 3 sets game. Their are in a deuce right now and the score is 27-27! I’m kinda thinking maybe 2 more chapters but who knows… It’s their 2nd longest match yet, the longest is 39 chapters covering a 5 sets match so that length is more acceptable (and it was adapted into a 1 season anime with 10 episodes just covering that match), but a 3 sets rivaling that amount…

        Likely because this team is very new to the audience and the author also covered some back stories for a few of the MC’s teammates and a few of their opponents’ team members and there were quite a lot of audience’s reactions too (the MC team is new to the national scene and this is their 2nd round match and their opponent is a favourite to win). The 1st set felt especially long, the 2nd match was a blink, this 3rd set is long too but the pacing is not too bad. To be fair, 1 chapters contain only 18-19 pages, still that’s about 665 pages worth XD I think the MC’s team will win because the match for the next round has been foreshadowed for so long, but it’s still possible for them to lose too. There’s even a teeny part of me that kinda wants to see that just to see how the author will handle the story henceforth; the MC’s team losing here just before the match against their “fated” rival…

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          (cont.) …(who already won their 2nd round match) which would be in the 3rd round, would definitely affects so many characters and readers.

          These last few chapters have been very very awesome though, so I’ve been squealing over them each week XD

          …I could probably write pages long on the gloriousness that is Haikyuu!! so I’ll just stop now 😀

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          I wonder why i didn’t get any notification for your reply! I thought you must have been busy!

          Sometimes small companies work better than big ones! The bond between workers is also strong.

          Thank you for the wishes! 🙂

          Oh for me both the leads in ‘Thank You’ stood out a lot! Both are such brilliant actors!

          Is Haikyuu based on a particular sports? You are clearly addicted to it! 😀 And so many chapters and pages?? Wow!

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            The notification system is a little strange for me too at times, sometimes it didn’t notify me of your replies either ^^; Works have it moments too.

            Sometimes yes, but it’s a problem too when with such a small workforce someone wants to only do their part and absolutely refuse to do other jobs despite this being explained during interview time…

            I think the kid in Thank You is especially brilliant! She really has good expressions and timing. I re-watched a bit XD

            “Haikyuu” or 排球 literally means Volleyball. It’s an obscure term though, now they just use volleyball. So the manga is about volleyball~ more specifically, High School Men’s Volleyball! Which might not sound that interesting because… what is interesting about a bunch of guys playing volleyball!? But, it is! I don’t even play volleyball and my only experience of it is a vague memory of my teacher back in high school teaching serving.

            SPOILERS AHEAD, just in case.

            The manga itself is nothing really new, it follows the typical format of a shounen sports manga (underdog team going through a cycle of training and matches) and the MC (my favourite character! The little orange haired little ball of sunshine in this page’s banner) is for all intent and purpose, a typical shounen manga MC (reckless, stubborn, crazy skill growth, a jump before they look type – although to be fair in more recent chapters, he has been actively thinking and that one crippling negative trait. He’s short.); it’s just that the author use all the typical tropes and weave it really well. Like, it’s pretty normal to have the MC lose in their first tournament and come back stronger in the next’s and I was expecting that too while reading but still felt so crushed when it actually happened. They have a HUGE cast and every opponents get a little background stories and readers get really attached to them. Think of it a la Prison Playbook. Most reader ended up cheering for the opponents team too eventhough they definitely wants the MC team to win!

            The manga also have a LOT of inspirational lines and moments. This one is my personal favourite. Another is my one of their, rival who’s a really well written character, “The chance to let your talent truly blossom, perhaps it’s today. Or maybe it’s tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, or next year. Or perhaps even when you’re 30? In regards to physique, I can’t say much. But if you think that it will never come, it probably never will.” He’s also one of the most polarising character in the fandom XD Some people LOVE him, and some others HATE him. And there’re a lot more quotes I could, well, quote that’s really really motivational and memorable.

            (cont.)

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            I also like that the opponents are not viewed as villains and fighting them is not a live or die situation but instead they’re all just high school kids who really really love volleyball and works hard at being a good player and you get caught up in their emotion and that greed to WIN! and just wants to see them all (especially the MC team for me) win everything.

            And, I am! I’m very very addicted to it am feeling especially excited and gleeful since we (the readers that is) are expecting the current match to end in this week’s chapter. For next week chapter, the series is slotted to have a colour spread page and to quote other readers, from previous matches the colour spread is in the chapter right after they win the match (my banner on this page is of the main from ch189 right after they won their regional match, by the way) which is why the expectation is really high this week. I think everyone over the subreddit are a little high on it. Currently the score is 28-27 in favour of the main team, and unless the opponent somehow score 3 straight points in this week chapter, I, for one, am expecting the MC team to win~

            Urr… I could go on and on and on on this topic… sorry if that’s a bit too overwhelming!

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    Oh you did stalk properly indeed didn’t you… hahaha

    Woah, ok, fanart and everything. Hahaha reminds me of when I first got into kpop via BTS… I think kpop has that effect on people- you go a little crazy at first and then some people stay crazy and then other people like me settle down cos they didn’t really want to get into it in the first place but they’re here now and they don’t regret stanning the groups they do so they’ll stay haha.

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      I did indeed, went all the way from the first post, lol.

      Fan art: https://mega.nz/#!sxpmjZTJ!sgO2oHDRHGAMfcyKdrDF9EE0Y6a4-k9ARYeMKqox-uA
      A big achievement for me as it is one of the few drawings I actually properly finish, even if they were just floating head shots… I was especially happy with Mino’s hair XD

      True true, a friend of mine was really interested in the concept of Superman is Back and Winner’s Bandalland (I was talking about the many facilities, psychologists, and cafes for children shown through Superman); she likes kids and used to want to be a kindergarden’s teacher but she absolutely refused to watch either shows because she doesn’t want to “fall down the k-pop blackhole” as she puts it 😀

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        Who’s first post??? Mine? All 80 pages on my fan wall?!?! YOU ARE DEDICATED MISS.

        Awww they’re so cute!! Well done!

        HAHAHA! Yeahp, tis indeed a black hole. Kinda nice down here occasionally though when you have good company 😛
        Other than Big Bang, and Winner, are you into any other groups?

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          XD Well, admittedly I kinda cheated and used the find function to look for Winner or the members names so I didn’t exactly went through everything.

          Hmm… I barely keep up with Big Bang anymore so I don’t know if they count. I’m a casual fans of Lee Hi & AkMu I guess, likewise with Taehyun/South Club but it’s more of a if they come up on my timeline thing rather than actively looking for news. Liked most of SNSD older songs (my fav is still Into the New World). Other then them, I occasionally check out random MVs and suchs but never really got into any others groups seriously. Music wise I think I still have more J-Pop/J-Rock or anime music on my list compared to KPop ^^; But again no favourite group/singer.

          So, the answer to the question would be a no? Maybe because I’m fairly old, but I feel like being a part of 2 fandoms (Winner and 1 manga) is already stretching my free time very very thin.

          Also, sorry for not replying sooner. Was waiting till I’m on PC which means only my workhours and I took the day off yesterday 😀

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        Your fanart is so adorable!!! You’re so talented!

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      How about people who went crazy, left, and then came back with a vengeance and looks like will stay crazy for ehem ehem WINNER?

      HAHAHAhuhuhu

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        Answering to your comments above here-
        Yup I know ONE.. He was in SMTM4 with Mino- same team even… didn’t impress me a lot but he is good looking (and yup- looks like Jinwoo a lot).. Kinda happy that that plan of including him in WINNER never worked out cuz 3 rappers in a 5 member group might not have worked for me.. Plus the thought of having someone new join an old team just doesn’t seem right!

        I am so gonna re-watch WIN soon!

        Really think that my WINNER love will stay forever cuz it’s not just abt their looks or songs.. it is about how nice they all are!

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          I know! When I knew of that plan, I was SO HAPPY and RELIEVED that it didn’t push through. I love the boys and even with NamTae leaving, I think introducing a new member will never be good because they have a special bond. Starting from trainee days, to WIN, to all the hardships. And yes, 3 rappers in a group would have been too much!

          I actually love that I started loving WINNER because of their personalities too, rather than the music. Sure, variety shows don’t project reality 100% but I love WINNER as the people that they are. And of course, it helps that they have AMAZING music too.

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            Re: ONE. I’ve aware of him but haven’t really gotten to know him. Yes, heard of him being in a drama but wasn’t sure which 😀 I do wonder if it was his decision to be in the drama or not. It seems like he’s quite bothered that whenever he’s mentioned it’s his looks that is mentioned first (or at least I vaguely remember him saying that somewhere… SMTM 5 maybe?) instead of his skills. I know I read somewhere that it was his own decision not to promote his single release.

            @obsessedmuch yep, definitely glad that plan just remains a rumour. Although, I do wonder if he’d be able to make it… being a solo isn’t seems really tough.

            Yes, agreed with you that variety shows don’t project 100% reality but I think what I like about Winner in varieties (especially ones where they’re together) is how they try their best to honestly share as much of themselves they’re comfortable with. There’re times where you could kinda see them holding back but most of the times they seem to actively try to enjoy themselves, and get the staffs around them to enjoy themselves too, no matter the circumstances they’re in. They’ve definitely changed over the years though and it reflects in those varieties and interviews, it was especially obvious in early 2016 in the interviews they answered during EXIT:E before Bandalland (their answers were pretty dark and depressing) and after (much more lighter and upbeat). Do you subscribe to their V channel +?

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        So that was YOU!! Hehe.. I was so thrilled to see someone I may know and be equally embarrassed about being on that link! 😂😂

        And I’m even more a recent winner fan.. started only due to winner over flowers and the insane hidden camera prank.. only 3 months old? but now.. well.. I don’t think it matters when you get ‘turned’ ! 😁

        And isn’t WIN awesome! Like i keep raving to Muchie.. It’s like their superhero origins story! Have you finished it? Else super looking fwd to your updated in real time! I think I drove @obsessedmuch crazy with my live rants and comments while watching it! 😀

        @ailea – namtae leaving is sad.. but well both of them seem happy now so.. I only got into them recently so still enjoyed both shows.

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          You have almost covered in 3 months what it took me 6 months to finish! 😛
          Now that I look back I have been their fan for a surprisingly small time only- I am still in my 8th month… but the attachment is strong and it seems like I have known them for ages!

          @ailea I just noticed your fan- art! So cute! <3

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          I’m kinda proud of my little piggie here for being recognizable. Hahaha!

          I actually only started during their comeback in August. So 5 months? It started when my obsession with MINO couldn’t be restricted by his NJTTW self so I had to check out EVERYTHING he’s in so of course that includes WINNER. Then I watched Wizard of Nowhere to see Jinwoo, and then Half Moon Friends for them with kids. I’m still trying to gobble up everything WINNER. Too bad when I went to Korea last October, I wasn’t as obsessed as I am now. I didn’t buy any WINNER goods! I only have socks and an EXIT:E poster my sister gave to me this month. (I love my sister.) I’m coming back to Korea this May and I plan on buying some WINNER merch!

          I finished WIN in a day last Sunday! Omg I didn’t sleep at all until 5AM just to finish it HAHAHAHA I love WIN because it’s exactly that, their origin story.

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          Nope, actually maybe it was in June or July? Because before the comeback last August, I was already bopping to Really Really. HIHIHI

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          And because you’re “late” (it’s NEVER late), you’ve got 4 (5 if you include WIN) years worth of shows to get to know them XD (and don’t have to went the emptiness that was 2015).

          WIN is awesome, I don’t think I can watch it again now though. Especially episode 4… ><

          I think it's probably because I was following their journey from WIN "real time"; the memories, the pictures, the interviews, and the interactions from fan meets (that others recorded) etc., the emotions accumulate and grow along over the years so even though logically I could see that both sides seem happy as they are now, there's probably always going to be a little feeling of nostalgia left over. I guess I miss the dynamic that he adds to the group too. But, yeah, people change over time, sometimes they changes together and sometimes not. So, I guess that's something I could accept. But, yeah, there's just a teeny bit…

          And also, their last Japan concert as 5 didn't have the Seungyoon & Taehyun duet that their previous Japan tour has had. Understood that it's because both have solo stages, and we did get vocal line's stage in the Korean tour (which was eally good by the way, linked below in case you haven't seen), but yeah…

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISWVMfe_FeY

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          @ailea
          Thanks for sharing this! I hadn’t seen/heard this one! They sound so good!
          What is the song that they are singing?

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            Those were medleys of Reply 1988 osts XD So not one song 😀

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    Hayi-yang’s full version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v85JkhKX-Kc

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    He seems to have clearly worked on himself from his SMTM4 days.. I checked his album when it came out and while I liked it enough, I didn’t love it… But yes he is pretty and he will have to make peace with ppl noticing his beauty first… I love how Jinwoo went from being shy about his looks to unabashedly saying sth along the lines of “yes, I am quite beautiful, thankyou very much- Now can we move on to a different topic”.. the boy has got sass 😛

    Being a soloist is definitely difficult.. Maybe YG would think of cross group pairings for him… or maybe a duet with Hayi or sth..

    The WINNER boys really go all out to make themselves accessible to their fans which I really appreciate and I love that they seem quite genuine in variety shows, IG posts and vlives.. What I really love abt Winner’s variety appearances is that one can hear the staff laughing in the background always- that doesn’t happen with a lot of groups.. I just recently subscribed to their Ch+ after the recent fiasco with stuff coming out in public which was meant only for fans, cuz I realised that there is a lot of stuff that doesn’t come out or won’t come out from now on.. And I am loving all those videos! Hoony specially seems to go out of his way to interact with ICs..

    Actually I wanted to always ask an old IC if they noticed any discord between the members ever? Like I could see that Namtae didn’t participate a lot in HMF but that could just be his closed nature/ personality.. I don’t think I have yet covered all their old interviews and stuff yet.. I always get curious when OT4 fans talk about how they “are keeping shut for the sake of members otherwise we know things that could ruin Namtae”.. Like I dunno that seems a lil too extreme to me! Wasn’t it just a simple matter of different personality/ music choice/ goals?

    Even though I am a recent fan, when I went back to old shows, I loved all 5 boys equally cuz all 4 brought sth different to the table and everyone was important for having achieved what they did..

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      I haven’t yet checked his album. Maybe one of these days… Yes, Im happy with how confidence Jinwoo has grown over the years, from being to shy to accepting the compliment (and sometimes even pointing it out himself XD).

      Yep, YGE doesn’t seem like it quite know what to do with soloists… but they do have Hayi and One and Su Hyun too (while Canhyuk is the army) so collabs would be certainly be nice, and with the groups to since they’re all from the younger generations.

      Haha yeah, that’s part of why I like their varieties appearances too, because the staffs working right there are enjoying themselves too so you can tell that there’s a good atmosphere during the filming; this is part of why I like Family Outing too, you could hear the staffs laughing and often enough the cast actively initiate interaction with the staffs during filming. It’s quite obvious for Winner during Winner TV and Bandalland and in WoF too. I recently (yesterday to be specific) renewed my subscription for Ch+ too. I think the members most of active on V channels are usually Hoon and Yoon, although Seungyoon hasn’t been there much lately, he seems quite busy. Mino too has been actively trying to interact more too lately. And Jinwoo usually pops up in one member’s live session or another, lol. And that’s it really, they try really really hard to be accessible to fans and I really appreciate them for that. Those SeungSeung(WinWin) TV episodes during those hard times in 2016 were a good example of how hard they try.

      Hmmm… they’ve always said in interviews when asked about it that considering how different their personalities are, they do definitely have fights but that they also work at settling it out. As for discords, I didn’t notice any. Did notice that Taehyun was more quiet during HMF but like you, I take it as one of the times when he’s just on a “down mood” (I kinda vaguely remember him mentioning that in an interview but, I couldn’t find it… they have had quite a lot of interviews, so. But well, if you are interested, here’s a place that compile a lot of their interviews: https://withwinner.wordpress.com/category/interviewtranslations/) and he was interacting with the other members still and it seems fine.

      During the months prior to the news, about since June/July or so, and especially after the YGE release the news of his mental illness (Sep?), there were certainly suspicions running around and some i-fans who are in contact with the k-fans seem to have known about Taehyun’s departure but they keep it pretty hushed up. I’m not particularly close with anyone in the fandom and am fairly inactive, mostly a lurker. So, I find out the day the news was released.

      Taehyun had uploaded quite a lot of rather dark artworks year long though, and around June/July, he was spotted walking around in public by himself (I did find that a bit odd and did wonder about it since the last YG’s artist to have done that was Kim Eunbi (trainee with the BlackPink girls, also Superstar K2

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        Oh yes! Maybe it is also time to bring back HiHyun, maybe this time with One instead.. I love that song with Bobby! (off topic- but how do ppl ever call Bobby ugly? He is so good looking)

        Thanks for that link! I will read it up sometime 🙂

        I always wonder how those fanclubs work? Like do those people take fangirling as a full time job? Even the fancams for each artist! Like do those “masternims” make money from it? And is that money enough to work as a career.. Or do they just do it cuz they love those artists? I could never be that dedicated a fan! I love the boys but I have my own life to focus on and would think twice before buying merch or spending time voting… Like once or twice is awesome but to have all their merch and albums and knowledge of everything related to the fandom amazes me!

        Taehyun clearly was going through a bad time mentally and I am quite happy that he seems much more at peace now! Idol life clearly didn’t suit him..

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          Yep, HiHyun is a combo that could work with anyone. It’d be even better if they could work out a full album with many different collabs from in-house and outside artists/composers too. The subject of “beauty” has always been kinda weird to me since it’s so subjective, how does one even put a label into what is beautiful and what is ugly when from another person’s view it could be the exact opposite? That said, I think those who said that were just people with not enough purpose in their own life and thus too much time on hand. I usually assume that they are just trolling?

          lol, I don’t know either! They just really really love Winner, I guess? The money and job thing always kinda puzzled me since if they’re always following their fav artists around… (especially late 2014 and in 2015 when most of their activities were in Japan) when do they have time for their ownselves? I do think that our fandom is fairly okay still, the boys have mentioned that they’re happy and thankful about not having fans waiting at their dorm’s doors and suchs. And for all the fan services they do, they usually also remind us (Seunhoon most especially) that they want to be happy too (aka don’t ask them to not marry or marry late). Although, that might change as the fandom grows.

          For myself, I don’t think I’d be able to love and enjoy Winner so much if I have to work so hard at being a fan of them… I vote when I could and I buy their albums when there’s room in my budget (although I do usually make sure I do have enough for albums :D), and there’s Ch+ too, and I like reading and talking about them (although there are times when it’s hard to do so) more than that is more than I’m able to give. Did bought a few of the official merchs from debut era though XD The jerseys, the lightsticks (bought both white and black versions), and I wanted to buy one of the candles (the sake one just because I don’t see that aroma here) but it was out of stock. I haven’t done that again afterwards, lol. Put a hole too big in the pocket, think that loooong long wait for debut kinda got us a tad too over eager. Oh! And I donated a bit for the fandom’s debut project too. That was quite an interesting time, several solo members’ fansites (I remember Rainforest and Neverthink were definitely there) came together to work out a united project. The one I remember most was the bus advertisement, to which after finding out about it, YGE’s also contributed and did another bus advert. So you have 2 bus running Winner’s advertisement for about 1 month if I’m not wrong.

          As for knowledge, I think once you start liking and following, and you receive those knowledge and info “real time”, they sorta stick? I used to tried to save every interviews and videos I had of them, but it got a bit too much (it’s quite a pain to properly label them all) and then my PC died, so that was that.

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            Exactly! I would rather people focus on what they consider beautiful than make comments about what/ who they consider ugly. But then again, people are people and they will do what they want…

            Hhahha… probably! Or maybe it does make them money somehow.. Like maybe by selling special HD photos/posters/videos? IC is a relatively cooler fandom but I can see the beginning of unhealthy obsession in some fans.. I guess the side- effect of gaining popularity is having such fans… That is one of the reasons why even though I wish for Winner to gain more popularity, I also fear it… Hoonie is the one who keeps ICs in line and he has an effect for sure cuz the fans listen to him! The only fandom n group (that I am aware of) which has a similar chill vibe is FT Island.. Their fans know not to cross that boundary! 🙂

            I am definitely going to buy some merch and some albums! Just not all!
            😛 But it’s nice to find someone who is on the same wavelength! 🙂
            Aww… I didn’t know about donation projects! That sounds great! And YGE helping in too??

            Yeah possibly. I mean the amt of info available from the IG accounts I follow is already incredible! If I follow Twitter I guess I will also eventually get to know a lot!

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          (cont. :D) Ah, if you’re looking for random videos and suchs (there were quite a lot of short videos), Team Aces have quite a number of old hard to find videos. You’d need to register at their forum for most of it, but it’s quite worth it as they usually keep the links alive. But, they’re not as active now, we did lose quite a lot of fans when Taehyun left. Definitely check out their 1st appearance (not long after WIN) on Yoo In Na’s radio. They were so happy and fresh back then.

          Taehyun definitely was the member who received the most harsh and unreasonable hates. He also don’t always understood (though he works hard at trying I’d say) all the limitations and formalities of idol life. I sincerely do hope that he’s happier now not having to squeeze himself into those rules but it does seem like his haters follow him too…

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          I think I’ve read a post by an IC fansite before who said they actually don’t gain money with the photos/calendar stuffs they sell, not sure if that’s true for every fansites or not though. I think largely because I mostly follow only translators and fansites on Twitter, so I’m very rarely exposed to the more… excitable side of the fandom. Funny thing about Hoon is he’s also the member who actively did that Boyfriend Seunghoon VLives lol. It’s definitely good that he’s also the one who’s firm with ICs about not overstepping boundaries too. I’m not familiar with FT Island’s fandom but that sure sounds good; I do hope our fandom will always keep those lines very clear and actively choose not to cross them.

          For albums, I’m aiming for all. For merchandise… I don’t think I’m up to buying anymore ^^;

          The fandom is definitely more united at that time, probably also because it was still small. YGE matched up to the fans donations 😀 Debut era was actually quite nice and then they got shipped to Japan and disappeared for more than a year… doing live concerts were a good experience for them to gain I think, it was just too soon and the company should’ve made sure their standing were solid in Korea first and should’ve taking advantage of their successful debut to gain a surer foothold there first. They lost a lot of fans during that absence.

          I’m the opposite of you in that I follow more Twitter accounts than I do IG (barely check them, I don’t think I’d remember the password or the username if I ever log out…) but yep, definitely a lot of infos flying around.

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      …contestant along with Seungyoon) and news came out not long after that she was no longer a trainee in YGE). There was The Collaboration show of which Mino and Yoon joined but rumour has it that it was originally Taehyun and Mino (during the preview prior to the pilot episode, apparently Taehyun’s laughs could be heard and there was a fan-taken photo of Mino and Taehyun with Jay Park and Zico at a restaurant that many assumed was probably after that preview shoot) however that was never confirmed so well, nobody knows what was the truth. Winnercity too hadn’t updated about Taehyun for awhile at that time so quite a number of fans were wondering why?

      I’ve seen fans mentioned those too, largely in retaliation from Taehyun’s recent IG post (which implied that something did happened), but yeah… I don’t know about what sort of info they have either. I HOPE that their parting is as simple as differences in personalities/music choice/goals and someday they might be able to work together again (even if as separate group) collabs or suchs; but well, the differences in their music taste are something they’ve acknowledged and embraced from early on (going by interviews) and likewise with personality differences too; so, I do wonder if something did happen behind the scene that cause them to not be able to continue embracing those differences. But, well, unless they themselves are willing to tell all, I doubt we’d actually ever know what happened. Of course, it COULD just be that both sides have changed and they change with too many differences to come together again (that’s what Taehyun’s earlier interview said anyway). But, well, time does distort memories, so I do wonder that even if decide to tell all, would it really not be coloured by the happenings after the departure?

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        Sorry I’m like exhausted fruition work and don’t have energy to engage in conv.. but I love this convo. And the really mature insight you gave.. So here’s likes from me.. (I was burnt by the Twitter wars after that Insta post)..

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        All these Kpop related companies have so many rules! Though going out alone in public is clearly a no no for any celeb I guess..

        Oh that show is such a mystery cuz it was stopped right? Was it cuz of the THADD issue?

        Ah yes that IG post was quite interesting.. That is what got me curious cuz before this I was mostly under the impression that yes they parted cuz of differences but there was no bad blood between them.. Specially given that Namtae talked about meeting the kids for lunch some months back..

        But as you said, we will never know. And we don’t really need to know as long as all 5 are/seem happy… Throughout WoF I loved how all 4 kept talking about happiness and even checking with each other if they are all happy! They are kids after all and deserve to enjoy themselves. All of them went through a lot at such a young age!

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          @irishrah Haha, those twitter wars were rather hard to read through and it wasn’t just there too. I kinda understand why they’re bothered by what Taehyun said though, it could indeed be taken as threatening but well, we’re not aware of how much hates he might still be getting through DMs and other means too, so I’m trying not to look at it too negatively.

          That said, I think most of those ICs who were talking about Taehyun started out fairly neutral regarding his leaving, but they probably got a lot of questions over and again about it that they start getting annoyed? At least the few that I noticed, can’t say for sure (mostly only follow translators and fansites on twitter). Could be related to whatever info they received from K-ICs.

          I do agree wiith some of the rules (like the car one, which considering how hectic their schedule and sleeptime is… it honestly seem rather dangerous to have them on the road half awake) but some are quite ridiculous.

          Yep, it was because of THAAD. It’s rather disappointing because it felt like the teams were finally finding their footing with their partners (except for Yoon and Yu Tian who were such a cute pair right from the start) and they had to stop right then.

          If I’m not mistaken that meeting was actually during YHS father’s wake. I think Taehyun might’ve wanted to keep their relationship but I don’t know about the other 4 as they haven’t say anything much about it at all except that they’re not against working together again but it’s something that’s going to need a lot of preparations. Even if they part with no bad blood, I doubt there wasn’t at least a little resentment or disappointed feelings from both sides, couldn’t have been an easy decision. Winner was the name they received after such long roads (as is WIN was only the tiny bit toward the end, it was probably tougher before that). And even if they hadn’t been, considering that Taehyun (that we know of) is still getting questions and hates regarding his departure, wouldn’t he start associating negative feelings to that memory?

          I agree, what happened is not something others need to know. If one day they all decided and agreed to share then sure, but otherwise no.

          Right? I love that they’re are actively making sure that they are happy, vocalising their happiness too, and are always so vocal about their gratefulness to the people around them too. That’s definitely something that I’m trying to learn from them.

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            I haven’t watched that show, though I have seen like 2 episodes subbed somewhere… I have yet to watch Eat,Sleep,Eat in Krabi too! And even WoN- dunno if I will ever check all these..

            Yeah I think it was during YG’s father’s wake… And yup, it is close to impossible to not have a lil bit of disappointment/ resentment after what could also be called a break-up, or even sth worse than break- up cuz they were both colleagues and family (or at least sth similar to family cuz they lived and ate together)..

            I am not very hopeful for a reunion/collab frankly. If it does miraculously happens, i would obviously love it but I won’t hold my breath for it! Perhaps meeting on a stage/award show is more possible but not yet.. maybe 2-3 years later..

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          Admittedly haven’t watched most of their solo stuffs either 😛 (going back all the way to Yoon’s Flower Crew). The Collaborations is 90% performance tho and they were fairly interesting so I watched them. Here are links to Seungyoon and Yu Tian’s performances though if you’re interested:

          Back in Time
          Tenderness
          Secret
          originally shared by DamDam2Da
          They also covered Big Bang’s We Like to Party. I, urm.. didn’t really like the cover though…

          Cute pulling in votes video, lol.

          I don’t have Mino and his partner, Jacky videos unfortunately. Pretty sure I downloaded some of those videos somewhere but couldn’t find it… His partner, Jacky appeared to be quite a stylistic singer so the covers they did were very interesting.

          I’m not hopeful for a re-union/collab either and considering the widening gap between the fandoms too…

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